u know wot isnt ur mistake!! lebaneses are dumb to follow u and believe ur words!! but i hope now they can see how much you are fake and caring abt money wel kersi ya general walla 3aib 3laik jarrastna.. wahad kalb j3areh wate TFeh!!
lies lies and traitory and corruption and destructive wars and cowardness...this is what michel aoun is all about. Only in Lebanon do we see this kind of trash having followers.
its very throu hes the one that hide in franc elike a pussy after many years he thinks come back to lebanon and rule fuck him hes the one that helps syria hariri killed beacouse of him bastard aoun
excuse me...it is the Lebanese Army...second, i have to remind you that hobeika was part of LF till he figured out that being with Israel is being with the loosing part...
Everyone had criminals, looters, zo3ran...but the people who did the sabra w shatila...were beasts...not human.
shou ba3milak eza your memory is just for 15 minutes ago...Allah yse3dak!
What did Samir Geagea have to do with Sabra and Shatila? He was stationed in North Lebanon at the time. In fact, what do the Lebanese Forces have to do with Sabra and Shatila? It was perpetrated by the Kataeb.
Sabra and Shatila was a horrible act, like Damour (done by the PLO and LNM), Tel el Zaatar (which Chamoun did), and Aoun's actions to his fellow Lebanese in Ashrafieh in the late 80s.
Hobeika, again, was hated by the LF which is why he ended up leaving.
LF fighting with the Lebanese Army? HAHAHA good one. Those guys were taking khowet from their families and neighbors. Those people are safeheen sabra w shatila, those people massacred the franjeyyeh family. 7ajez el barbara, just the name still frightens people in Tripoliand you expect them to fight with Aoun the Syrians
Ba3ed ma sa2at Aoun, sho mana3 geagea enno y7arib?
Aoun attacked us because he didnt want another popular party on the Christian street. If he wasnt so greedy for power and didnt attack the LF, the LF and Lebanese troops would've resisted Syria TOGETHER like it had done for many yrs and probably stopped the Syrian occupation from lasting another 15 years and would've stopped Ta2if agreement from happening. But no, this was Aoun's biggest nightmare. He had to be president and he had to be the only Christian leader. He destroyed the Christians.
I just want to remind you that LF actually where still bombing the presidential palace as the Syrian troops where surrounding it (If you didnt know that, then take your time to review this fact, maybe it can enlighten you a little bit).
What a myth. There is no evidence of the LF bombing Baabda on October 13, this is an Aounist-made myth. The LF didnt take sides in the Aoun/Syria battle. We resisted both the Aounists when they attacked us and the Syrians when they attacked us. Yes, the Christians were destroyed. We were kept weak by Aoun's pointless elimination war. Then Syria was sold Lebanon, then their proxies in Lebanon (everyone except the LF and the leaderless Aounists) oppressed the Christians and to date, no recovery.
LF fighting with the Lebanese Army? HAHAHA good one. Those guys were taking khowet from their families and neighbors. Those people are safeheen sabra w shatila, those people massacred the franjeyyeh family. 7ajez el barbara, just the name still frightens people in Tripoliand you expect them to fight with Aoun the Syrians
Ba3ed ma sa2at Aoun, sho mana3 geagea enno y7arib?
Aoun did not attack everyone. He did not attack Hezbollah, he did not attack any major militia besides the LF. The LF was resisting Syria when Aoun was a NOBODY. And even in 1989, more LFers died fighting Syria than Aounists died.
most of the Lebanese war, the Lebanese Army was in sakanet, till Aoun became Ka2ed el Jeish.
W ya zalmeh, when did they resist the Syrians? In what year? And what battle? Ana I think between their fight with the druz and Palestinians, destroying the other Christian militia, they never had time to fight the Syrians.
You can check the martyrs of the Lebanese Army during that period and you can know how many soldiers died with Aoun defending Lebanon.
Are you saying the LF never fought Syria before? Ever heard of the 100 Days war, or the resistance in Zahle, or what happened in Ashrafieh on a regular basis throughout the entire war? The LF was always defending Lebanon from Syria.
lek ya zalameh, LF fought el palestinians, el druz, el syrians, killed civilians, killed slaughtered Lebanese Army soldiers...killed presidents and Christian leaders...
But it happened that they never fought Israel...on the contrary, they where 7olafa...
so my freind, LF was defending LF from Lebanon and from the Lebanese Army and from Syria and from the Lebanese people...
I believe in facts and logic. Geagea killed like all killed (including mon general) but those three names you listed were not Geagea's actions.
It's in the past. He's out of jail and that's why he doesn't need to demand a retrial or anything like that. Although I agree he should clear his name.
Do you know why Geagea can't run for the parliament?
I will tell you why. Because he is a convicted MURDERER!
If he gets a seghel 3adleh, he will find a statement that says ma7koum 3alayeh. It is not part of the past. The only way to clear his name is by retrial. But he will never do that! You as a Lebanese citizen, should demand a retrial for him.
Franjeye, Karameh (Prime mininster),Sham3oun. He is convicted for these crimes. No other warlord did something even close!
He had nothing to do with Franjieh, Karami, or Chamoun. I gave you the details. Don't believe them, I don't care. Aounists live in a fantasy world where everything is the fault of Samir Geagea.
Geagea didn't run for parliament because he doesn't need to. The LF is not and was never about parliamentary seats. They are about a cause. BTW, Antoine Zahra and Nabih Berri among MANY others have blood on their hands but they're in parliament. It doesn't matter here, welcome to Lebanon.
Wlak all political leaders have blood on their hands. I don't care. I'm past that stage. Antoine Zahra would've killed me some two decades ago in the civil war, yet I find myself supporting him nowadays because of what he and his party have to say. The LF has been most consistent in its belief - we never changed from day 1.
Court ruling in Lebanon, esp. when it's under Syrian control, means absolutely NOTHING.
well if you can be PAST that all leaders having blood on their hands...then i rest my case...no point talkng to you...w mabrouk 3leik your country...
Court ruling needs another court ruling...
w just to remind you that LF from day one had open relations with Israel, were trained and equipped by themso yes, maybe you are right, they stick to their beliefs.
The LF only had open relations with Israel when we were cornered by the rest of the country. It was either removal of Christians in Lebanon or side with Israel. Some of the country was with Syria and some with the PLO bas la2, those are OK to ally with? Shou hay haki. Even AOUN was with us when we were with Israel, and I can show you pics of Aoun meeting Israeli officials.
We were the first to say Lebnen Awalan and the reason Lebanon still exists. Appreciate your country's martyrs.
Bachir and Aoun were close friends too. So quit attacking the LF's history because until Samir Geagea's days Aoun was WITH THE LF.
I am past that because there is no need in bickering over the past. It's not going to change. Even Aoun shouldn't go to jail for his crimes if Berri and Jumblatt and all of them don't go.
ya sade2eh Aoun was a General in the Army, so of course he would be friends with back then president Bachir? Wasnt Bachir in that time also saying that only the Army should have weapons?? That is why Aoun was with himtill samir came..
no man, the Lebanese people or the majority are not with forgetting the past. el mojrem should go to jail, el harame should go to jaile hopefully this day will come. Without that, then tosba7 3ala kheir ya lebnen.
Even before Bachir was president of Lebanon. When Bachir was still a senior Phalangist and through the days he led the Lebanese Forces he and Aoun were close.
Bachir believed in the Lebanese army. But after he was killed, the country went down and the war took a turn for its worse. Samir Geagea believed in the Lebanese army too, but not when it was attacking us and us alone.
OK fine. Put Geagea in jail, but only if Aoun and Berri and Jumblatt and all of them go with him.
Samir Geagea from day one has supported the Lebanese army. Until the day they attacked the LF, and as soon as Aoun was gone, Geagea again supported the Lebanese Army and put down the LF militia.
And today, Geagea is more pro-army than Aoun is. What did Aoun do when Samer Hanna was killed? Defend his murderer, of course.
Michel Aoun IS a warlord. He's no better than the rest. The blood on his hands exists.
samir geagea was convicted of killing tony franjieh, rachid karame and dany chamoun, all of which he claimed. michel aoun negotiated with hezbollah and they made him change his mind in some points and he made them change their mind in some points also (quds). is a compromise so bad? the lebanese forces changed their principles in 1990 when they bombed baabda palace, the number one christian position in lebanon along with the syrian army forgetting amn el moujtama3 el masi7e fawk koull i3tibar
Geagea didn't make it to Franjieh's house until after he was dead
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Geagea didn't kill Rashid Karami. Do you honestly believe Geagea was sooooooo good that he snuck past the Lebanese and Syrian troops up there, and place a bomb so perfectly it only killed Karami and no one else? This doesn't take brains to figure out.
Finally, Dany Chamoun was murdered by Syria and even Dory cannot accuse Geagea.
Accuse Geagea of warcrimes becuz he did some, but accuse everyone else including Aoun too.
2-he is confessing of crimes he didnt make which doesnt make sense
about baabda 1990:
the ta2if agreement was upon us , general aoun tried to avoid it using the liberation war, where no country trying to free itself is stronger than the occupier bcuz if it were it wouldnt be occupied in the first place.
geagea agreed to the ta2ef agreement which u are cursing.
Evidence he confessed to all three. His trial was BS and even human rights groups said so.
Aoun didnt give a fuck about Ta2if. He agreed to a Tunis agreement which was the same thing as Ta2if except it gave him the presidency and was rejected by Selim el-Hoss.
Samir Geagea signed Ta2if as the only way out of the problems Aoun had brought upon the Christians and upon Lebanon.
Filter ur news sources! The Lebanese Army rightfully commanded by Aoun, never killed civilians, they fought el militia.
W ba3dein, the reason the Christians lost influence is two words Jonblat Haririwhen you get back all the Church bells that Jonblat proudly is preserving bil mokhtara, then come talk 3an 72ou2 el Christians. Lama trid sala7eyet ra2ees el jomhoureyyeh min ra2ees el 7koumi, then come talk 3an 72ou2 el Christians.
Charles Ayoub is not the only source. Ask some West Beirutis about what Aoun put them through. Ask those in Ashrafieh what Aoun put them through.
Aoun started Harb l Ilgha because he wanted the presidency. He attacked the LF (he didnt bother with the Muslim or Leftist militias) because they were competition on the Christian street. His greed for power led to him attacking the LF, leaving the Christians weak and unable to resist the Ta2if agreement and Syrian occupation like we would've done.
Nock nock...i am from west Beirut...my family is from west Beirut...and what you are saying is not true man...
didn't you just say that Aoun used to kill dahieh people? so now he didn't bother with the Muslim:p
president Jmayel made Aoun the legitimate prime minister. So he was the army and he was the rightfully armed force. Can you deny that? so yes bravo if he tried to destroy the militia...and man he was already a legitimate president!
My mom is from West Beirut, my father is from the Jnoub and spent much of his time in Dahieh, and what I'm saying IS true. Even the Shia Hezb supporters in my family don't deny this much.
I said he didn't go after Muslim militias. He went after Muslim civilians. He ONLY attacked the LF militia because he saw the threat they presented in terms of Christian popularity. Aoun didn't bother with the other militias because they didn't pose a threat to him.
Man, Aoun attacked everyone!! From Syria to LF. Do you know why? Because he was the legitimate president and it was his duty to protect the sovereign state of Lebanon.
No one can deny that Geageas dream was to split Lebanon and him ruling the Christian state. That is why he destroyed all the other Christian militias. But of course he was never able to destroy the Lebanese army lead by Aoun.
It was Aoun who attacked the LF first just because he didn't want any competition on the Christian street. Aoun is the reason the Christians in Lebanon have fuck-all influence nowadays. Aoun is the reason we had another 15 yrs of occupation and reason we had the Ta2if agreement. His pointless, selfish war ended up screwing the whole Christian community over.
hahaha, Aoun changed his mind once lol, how about the others whom change their minds every months, even in a single day from 7th to 8th of june, ppl changed 180 degrees, they are laughing at you, and you are clapping them lol. seems like changing mind once is better than changing too many times, this means that Aoun is still the most clever one who exists in Leb.
I'm no fan of Hariri or Jumblatt. Hariri needs to grow some balls and start taking decisions against Hezbollah rather than fearing them. Too bad he can't do a thing without another May 2008 happening. Jumblatt, well humdila, he's gone from March 14 & he's your problem now.
"Aoun changed his mind once" but he changed his principles. You people call Samir Geagea a murderer but don't recognize that he went to jail before even considering changing his principles. Aoun just only ever wanted power.
Forget Aoun for a second, let's talk about the Aounists who changed their minds.
Let's talk about the Aounists who used to consider Bachir Gemayel a hero, they now call him an "evil zionist traitor" ever since the MoU.
Let's talk about the Aounists who used to take beatings from Syria and swore they'd never give in to Syria's influence, yet applauded their leader when he visited Syria.
Lets talk about the Aounists who went from believing in "one state, one army" to being pro-Hezbollah.
Sorry u didn't say anything about the others. Maybe aoun is wrong, i'm not criticizing his behavior. It's a point of view, maybe one day u'll understand.
But ask urself why the leaders of 14 march (hariri and joumblat) are doing the same "wrong" thing. please, be logical.
I said "I'm no fan of Hariri or Jumblatt. Hariri needs to grow some balls and start taking decisions against Hezbollah rather than fearing them. Too bad he can't do a thing without another May 2008 happening. Jumblatt, well humdila, he's gone from March 14 & he's your problem now" so yes, I did criticize them. ;)
March 14 is dead. Forget about March 14. I'm speaking as an LF-symphasizer, we keep our principles and haven't changed them in our history.
Hariri didn't change his mind completely. He just has to take a more neutral role now that's PM. I'm sure the FM, with time, will move on to a more anti-HA stance.
Even if it was just Geagea left, it is still us abiding by our principles. Even if we represented .001% of the Christian community or if we had just 1 MP, we still stay true to the words we've been speaking for decades.
Poitics changes during years, it's so naive to think during 20 years a leader should have the same poitical behavior. And for sure it should change! It's a kind of evolution. It's like raising a child, u can't speak to ur child the same way at 2 years and at 20 years.
And for sure hariri and joumblat and all the other leaders should change, it's a good thing for our country.
Hayda ensein manno tabee3eh ! lezem yerja3 la dar al saleeb ! hayda wa7ad kezeb ...jeyabo masareh bass ...hayda manno lebneneh tool 3omro soureh ! il est un con ! il reve d'etre president ! c tout ! c' un reve de cochon ! egoiste et fou !
mr whatever ur name is, awal chi ana ma ra7 sebbellak ne7na a3la men heik bektir w a3la mennak w men m3almak w men m3almino la m3almak. leik, hawdi l ze3ran l ouwet yalli 3am tehki 3announ, law mennoun ma ken fi masi7i ba3d bi lebnen. 3eib 3aleikoun, hawdi nes dafa3ou 7ayetoun la yeb2a raskoun marfou3. shame on u , 3anjad shame on u
@mrfalafl lek ya 7ayawan ente wa7ad kazzab kento ENTO le ma3 isra2eel w houwwe kan dod souriya w ento kento tmossa la sourya, w lamma sourya taraketkon ento dorto dodda
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Notice that all what Aoun said is consistent, contrarily of what the title of the video is trying to imply.. Aoun still thinks that Hezbolla should give up its weapons but to a trustworthy government, not to this illegitimate government who plots against Hezb behind their back.
At least for the first time they are discussing a national defense strategy. Aoun stands for a unified government and under it all arms just like the rest of the hypocrites who call themselves national heroes. But the way he engages talks is different which brought up the understanding with Hezb built on trust. The ones who arent happy with Aoun are just jealous of him for being able to bring back the difficult number in the country: Hezballah. Ya Aoun Allah ma3ak, and only God knows the truth.
what the hell happened to ur beloved friend aoun 2 weeks ago...he attacked the army and covered for hezbollah! what the fuck? wake up, i was blind just like u and i have recently gave up on him, what a coward he is.
l ouweht chatrin bel msabbeht ma bya3erfo y7ewro la ennon feshliin bel syehseh henneh w 7akimon, w ma byestarjo you2afo wej b wej, khedon 3ala 7akeh 3al internet haha, henneh li fawwato souryya 3ala lebnehn bel tes3iin w attalo l dobbat w wa2a3ouna bi khara me 2derna nekhlas menno ella ba3ed 15 seneh, w metlel kaleb jarrou 3al 7abes ma starja awwas rsasa houweh w rjehlo...w ba3dena if aoun is a big joke and he got almost 30 neyib, ja3ja3 chou mensammeh che77ad nouweehb
So where do you stand now you psycho demented idiot? You came to Lebanon, you were bought by the Syrians with a promise to become president and you simply forgot all what you said before. You changed like a chameleon to protect yourself. You sold your country. Shame on you and your whole family.
if u try to ficuz more on it back than ther was a govermant wich was leaded buy him and befor he comes back he anticipated that ther will still be a govermant but when ther was no govemant now ther must be a hizb alla i dont know mabe that what he was trying to say any way kiloun mjanin fuck all of them lebanon will be better of without all of them min ja3ja3 w aun w jour
funny how you all remind us whenever you want about the history of geagea and jounblat.. bas you don't remember what hizbollah did at Supermarket Melki for example! or we forgot? well for those who don't remember... it was a big blast at a supermarket that caused 12o victim.. hizbollah was behind it .. did geagea ever do that? NO..
are you joking me what is the difrance betwenn a bomb and getting pulld aside of the road on a road block and bein killd becuz yu wher not with the asshole 7akim evan tho you wher christian han they re muslem they might hav reason to do that but why did ja3ja3 kill so many civilian chistians HAN history go fuck yourself and learn about history beor you talk about it and no ther is no diffrance the diffrance is that killing your brother or killing you cuzin tats it asshole they are all murderes
ijraak 3alam a7la generaaaaaaaaal........... readdd history ppl and thnkkkk thats why god gave u mindsss.......... its obvious who isss interferinggg inn lebanon .......... bet7ebo ur enemyyyy more than usss ur sick pppl sick sick sickkkk .......
allah wel general.. leih ma betrou7o betshoufo kif geagea w jounblat 7arabo ba3don 15 sene w halla2 saro mwa77adin.. w ba3dein houwwe kein majbour you2af dod el 7ezeb la2enno houwwe kein 14 bass wa2ta daharet souriyya men lebnen battal fi 3endo shi dodd el 7ezeb so tabi3e iyghayyer ra2yo..
u know wot isnt ur mistake!! lebaneses are dumb to follow u and believe ur words!! but i hope now they can see how much you are fake and caring abt money wel kersi ya general walla 3aib 3laik jarrastna.. wahad kalb j3areh wate TFeh!!
thevirus2925 4 months ago
change of tides and time requires a change of politics, this is a very well known and common thing throughout history.
boogey76 10 months ago
one clean christian , we must respect and follow !!
Rajachemayel 1 year ago
lies lies and traitory and corruption and destructive wars and cowardness...this is what michel aoun is all about. Only in Lebanon do we see this kind of trash having followers.
Enigmatik691 1 year ago
THE BIG LIAR michel aoun
Enigmatik691 1 year ago
harab 3ala france metel jardon kalb ebnell kalb
lebnen143 1 year ago
2ayre bi ga3ga3 2il lute
aabmmd 1 year ago
its very throu hes the one that hide in franc elike a pussy after many years he thinks come back to lebanon and rule fuck him hes the one that helps syria hariri killed beacouse of him bastard aoun
lebnen143 1 year ago
pussy ...foufou...khayif 3a tizooo min shen heyk ghayar...
tirina7a 1 year ago
First of all the LF had its criminals like Hobeika, but we are anti-Hobeika anyway. Every militia (including Aoun's army) had its share of crimes.
Did I not just tell you about Bachir and Aoun? YES the Lebanese Army and the LF were allied for over half the civil war.
The LF was fighting Syria before anyone even knew who Michel Aoun was.
AschrafElNas 2 years ago
excuse me...it is the Lebanese Army...second, i have to remind you that hobeika was part of LF till he figured out that being with Israel is being with the loosing part...
Everyone had criminals, looters, zo3ran...but the people who did the sabra w shatila...were beasts...not human.
shou ba3milak eza your memory is just for 15 minutes ago...Allah yse3dak!
curser66 2 years ago
What did Samir Geagea have to do with Sabra and Shatila? He was stationed in North Lebanon at the time. In fact, what do the Lebanese Forces have to do with Sabra and Shatila? It was perpetrated by the Kataeb.
Sabra and Shatila was a horrible act, like Damour (done by the PLO and LNM), Tel el Zaatar (which Chamoun did), and Aoun's actions to his fellow Lebanese in Ashrafieh in the late 80s.
Hobeika, again, was hated by the LF which is why he ended up leaving.
AschrafElNas 2 years ago
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LF fighting with the Lebanese Army? HAHAHA good one. Those guys were taking khowet from their families and neighbors. Those people are safeheen sabra w shatila, those people massacred the franjeyyeh family. 7ajez el barbara, just the name still frightens people in Tripoliand you expect them to fight with Aoun the Syrians
Ba3ed ma sa2at Aoun, sho mana3 geagea enno y7arib?
curser66 2 years ago
Aoun attacked us because he didnt want another popular party on the Christian street. If he wasnt so greedy for power and didnt attack the LF, the LF and Lebanese troops would've resisted Syria TOGETHER like it had done for many yrs and probably stopped the Syrian occupation from lasting another 15 years and would've stopped Ta2if agreement from happening. But no, this was Aoun's biggest nightmare. He had to be president and he had to be the only Christian leader. He destroyed the Christians.
AschrafElNas 2 years ago
First, the Christians are not destroyed.
I just want to remind you that LF actually where still bombing the presidential palace as the Syrian troops where surrounding it (If you didnt know that, then take your time to review this fact, maybe it can enlighten you a little bit).
curser66 2 years ago
What a myth. There is no evidence of the LF bombing Baabda on October 13, this is an Aounist-made myth. The LF didnt take sides in the Aoun/Syria battle. We resisted both the Aounists when they attacked us and the Syrians when they attacked us. Yes, the Christians were destroyed. We were kept weak by Aoun's pointless elimination war. Then Syria was sold Lebanon, then their proxies in Lebanon (everyone except the LF and the leaderless Aounists) oppressed the Christians and to date, no recovery.
AschrafElNas 2 years ago
LF fighting with the Lebanese Army? HAHAHA good one. Those guys were taking khowet from their families and neighbors. Those people are safeheen sabra w shatila, those people massacred the franjeyyeh family. 7ajez el barbara, just the name still frightens people in Tripoliand you expect them to fight with Aoun the Syrians
Ba3ed ma sa2at Aoun, sho mana3 geagea enno y7arib?
curser66 2 years ago
Aoun did not attack everyone. He did not attack Hezbollah, he did not attack any major militia besides the LF. The LF was resisting Syria when Aoun was a NOBODY. And even in 1989, more LFers died fighting Syria than Aounists died.
AschrafElNas 2 years ago
most of the Lebanese war, the Lebanese Army was in sakanet, till Aoun became Ka2ed el Jeish.
W ya zalmeh, when did they resist the Syrians? In what year? And what battle? Ana I think between their fight with the druz and Palestinians, destroying the other Christian militia, they never had time to fight the Syrians.
You can check the martyrs of the Lebanese Army during that period and you can know how many soldiers died with Aoun defending Lebanon.
curser66 2 years ago
Are you saying the LF never fought Syria before? Ever heard of the 100 Days war, or the resistance in Zahle, or what happened in Ashrafieh on a regular basis throughout the entire war? The LF was always defending Lebanon from Syria.
AschrafElNas 2 years ago 2
lek ya zalameh, LF fought el palestinians, el druz, el syrians, killed civilians, killed slaughtered Lebanese Army soldiers...killed presidents and Christian leaders...
But it happened that they never fought Israel...on the contrary, they where 7olafa...
so my freind, LF was defending LF from Lebanon and from the Lebanese Army and from Syria and from the Lebanese people...
curser66 2 years ago
Aoun's Army "fought el palestinians, el druze, el syrians, killed civilians, killed slaughtered Lebanese Army soldiers" too.
What presidents did the LF kill? What "Christian leaders" did the LF kill?
I KNOW the LF have some crimes to their name like all parties (including that of Aoun's) have but you believe Aounist-made up myths.
AschrafElNas 2 years ago
I believe in facts and logic. Geagea killed like all killed (including mon general) but those three names you listed were not Geagea's actions.
It's in the past. He's out of jail and that's why he doesn't need to demand a retrial or anything like that. Although I agree he should clear his name.
AschrafElNas 2 years ago
Do you know why Geagea can't run for the parliament?
I will tell you why. Because he is a convicted MURDERER!
If he gets a seghel 3adleh, he will find a statement that says ma7koum 3alayeh. It is not part of the past. The only way to clear his name is by retrial. But he will never do that! You as a Lebanese citizen, should demand a retrial for him.
Franjeye, Karameh (Prime mininster),Sham3oun. He is convicted for these crimes. No other warlord did something even close!
curser66 2 years ago
He had nothing to do with Franjieh, Karami, or Chamoun. I gave you the details. Don't believe them, I don't care. Aounists live in a fantasy world where everything is the fault of Samir Geagea.
Geagea didn't run for parliament because he doesn't need to. The LF is not and was never about parliamentary seats. They are about a cause. BTW, Antoine Zahra and Nabih Berri among MANY others have blood on their hands but they're in parliament. It doesn't matter here, welcome to Lebanon.
AschrafElNas 2 years ago
you didn't give me detials, you gave me your opinion with no facts. And i gave you a court ruling. A COURT RULING THAT HE IS A MURDERER.
Look man, look at the fantasy crap that you are living in, "he doesn't need to"! Even if he wanted he never can...wake up!
well at least it matters to me, Antoine zahra was safe7 el berbara...w geagea murderer of one prime minister, and two christian leaders.
and at least non of the Aounist parliment members have blood on thier hands!
curser66 2 years ago
Wlak all political leaders have blood on their hands. I don't care. I'm past that stage. Antoine Zahra would've killed me some two decades ago in the civil war, yet I find myself supporting him nowadays because of what he and his party have to say. The LF has been most consistent in its belief - we never changed from day 1.
Court ruling in Lebanon, esp. when it's under Syrian control, means absolutely NOTHING.
AschrafElNas 2 years ago
well if you can be PAST that all leaders having blood on their hands...then i rest my case...no point talkng to you...w mabrouk 3leik your country...
Court ruling needs another court ruling...
w just to remind you that LF from day one had open relations with Israel, were trained and equipped by themso yes, maybe you are right, they stick to their beliefs.
curser66 2 years ago
The LF only had open relations with Israel when we were cornered by the rest of the country. It was either removal of Christians in Lebanon or side with Israel. Some of the country was with Syria and some with the PLO bas la2, those are OK to ally with? Shou hay haki. Even AOUN was with us when we were with Israel, and I can show you pics of Aoun meeting Israeli officials.
We were the first to say Lebnen Awalan and the reason Lebanon still exists. Appreciate your country's martyrs.
AschrafElNas 2 years ago
Bachir and Aoun were close friends too. So quit attacking the LF's history because until Samir Geagea's days Aoun was WITH THE LF.
I am past that because there is no need in bickering over the past. It's not going to change. Even Aoun shouldn't go to jail for his crimes if Berri and Jumblatt and all of them don't go.
AschrafElNas 2 years ago
ya sade2eh Aoun was a General in the Army, so of course he would be friends with back then president Bachir? Wasnt Bachir in that time also saying that only the Army should have weapons?? That is why Aoun was with himtill samir came..
no man, the Lebanese people or the majority are not with forgetting the past. el mojrem should go to jail, el harame should go to jaile hopefully this day will come. Without that, then tosba7 3ala kheir ya lebnen.
curser66 2 years ago
Even before Bachir was president of Lebanon. When Bachir was still a senior Phalangist and through the days he led the Lebanese Forces he and Aoun were close.
Bachir believed in the Lebanese army. But after he was killed, the country went down and the war took a turn for its worse. Samir Geagea believed in the Lebanese army too, but not when it was attacking us and us alone.
OK fine. Put Geagea in jail, but only if Aoun and Berri and Jumblatt and all of them go with him.
AschrafElNas 2 years ago
Do you know how silly you look saying that a war lord believes in the "national Army"...heheh...you are funny...
curser66 2 years ago
Samir Geagea from day one has supported the Lebanese army. Until the day they attacked the LF, and as soon as Aoun was gone, Geagea again supported the Lebanese Army and put down the LF militia.
And today, Geagea is more pro-army than Aoun is. What did Aoun do when Samer Hanna was killed? Defend his murderer, of course.
Michel Aoun IS a warlord. He's no better than the rest. The blood on his hands exists.
AschrafElNas 2 years ago 3
samir geagea was convicted of killing tony franjieh, rachid karame and dany chamoun, all of which he claimed. michel aoun negotiated with hezbollah and they made him change his mind in some points and he made them change their mind in some points also (quds). is a compromise so bad? the lebanese forces changed their principles in 1990 when they bombed baabda palace, the number one christian position in lebanon along with the syrian army forgetting amn el moujtama3 el masi7e fawk koull i3tibar
imads117 2 years ago
Geagea didn't make it to Franjieh's house until after he was dead
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Geagea didn't kill Rashid Karami. Do you honestly believe Geagea was sooooooo good that he snuck past the Lebanese and Syrian troops up there, and place a bomb so perfectly it only killed Karami and no one else? This doesn't take brains to figure out.
Finally, Dany Chamoun was murdered by Syria and even Dory cannot accuse Geagea.
Accuse Geagea of warcrimes becuz he did some, but accuse everyone else including Aoun too.
AschrafElNas 2 years ago
geagea confessed in trial of the 3 crimes.
there are two possibilities:
1-he is guilty
2-he is confessing of crimes he didnt make which doesnt make sense
about baabda 1990:
the ta2if agreement was upon us , general aoun tried to avoid it using the liberation war, where no country trying to free itself is stronger than the occupier bcuz if it were it wouldnt be occupied in the first place.
geagea agreed to the ta2ef agreement which u are cursing.
gobran tueni took the stand against samir geaga
imads117 2 years ago
Evidence he confessed to all three. His trial was BS and even human rights groups said so.
Aoun didnt give a fuck about Ta2if. He agreed to a Tunis agreement which was the same thing as Ta2if except it gave him the presidency and was rejected by Selim el-Hoss.
Samir Geagea signed Ta2if as the only way out of the problems Aoun had brought upon the Christians and upon Lebanon.
AschrafElNas 2 years ago
that was a question btw when i asked for evidence that confessed.
AschrafElNas 2 years ago
*he confessed
AschrafElNas 2 years ago
Well, if it was BS, and he was innocent, the least that he can do is ask for retrial to clear his name
but alas, he wont
curser66 2 years ago
Geagea didn't make it because on the way to Franjieh's house, he was shot. And knowing that he was leading the attack: YES HE KILLED HIM.
And yes I believe that Geagea's men, who were trained by the Israelis, were able to reach Rashid Karami. so YES HE KILLED HIM.
Dory, Allah yse3ed Dory.
Aoun, what crime did he do? Of all the war lords, he was the only legitimate leader, commanding legitimate troops.
curser66 2 years ago
Aoun killed 4,500 in West Beirut as Charles Ayoub pointed out recently.
Aoun also used to check to see who and who wasn't circumsized in Dahieh. Those who were were murdered on the spot.
Aoun is not clean PLUS he is the reason the Christians lost influence that to date they have not and probably never will regain.
AschrafElNas 2 years ago
haha so now Charles Ayoub is a reliable source!
Filter ur news sources! The Lebanese Army rightfully commanded by Aoun, never killed civilians, they fought el militia.
W ba3dein, the reason the Christians lost influence is two words Jonblat Haririwhen you get back all the Church bells that Jonblat proudly is preserving bil mokhtara, then come talk 3an 72ou2 el Christians. Lama trid sala7eyet ra2ees el jomhoureyyeh min ra2ees el 7koumi, then come talk 3an 72ou2 el Christians.
curser66 2 years ago
Charles Ayoub is not the only source. Ask some West Beirutis about what Aoun put them through. Ask those in Ashrafieh what Aoun put them through.
Aoun started Harb l Ilgha because he wanted the presidency. He attacked the LF (he didnt bother with the Muslim or Leftist militias) because they were competition on the Christian street. His greed for power led to him attacking the LF, leaving the Christians weak and unable to resist the Ta2if agreement and Syrian occupation like we would've done.
AschrafElNas 2 years ago
Nock nock...i am from west Beirut...my family is from west Beirut...and what you are saying is not true man...
didn't you just say that Aoun used to kill dahieh people? so now he didn't bother with the Muslim:p
president Jmayel made Aoun the legitimate prime minister. So he was the army and he was the rightfully armed force. Can you deny that? so yes bravo if he tried to destroy the militia...and man he was already a legitimate president!
curser66 2 years ago
My mom is from West Beirut, my father is from the Jnoub and spent much of his time in Dahieh, and what I'm saying IS true. Even the Shia Hezb supporters in my family don't deny this much.
I said he didn't go after Muslim militias. He went after Muslim civilians. He ONLY attacked the LF militia because he saw the threat they presented in terms of Christian popularity. Aoun didn't bother with the other militias because they didn't pose a threat to him.
AschrafElNas 2 years ago
Man, Aoun attacked everyone!! From Syria to LF. Do you know why? Because he was the legitimate president and it was his duty to protect the sovereign state of Lebanon.
No one can deny that Geageas dream was to split Lebanon and him ruling the Christian state. That is why he destroyed all the other Christian militias. But of course he was never able to destroy the Lebanese army lead by Aoun.
curser66 2 years ago
We didn't bomb in 1990 in alliance with Syria.
It was Aoun who attacked the LF first just because he didn't want any competition on the Christian street. Aoun is the reason the Christians in Lebanon have fuck-all influence nowadays. Aoun is the reason we had another 15 yrs of occupation and reason we had the Ta2if agreement. His pointless, selfish war ended up screwing the whole Christian community over.
AschrafElNas 2 years ago
hahaha, Aoun changed his mind once lol, how about the others whom change their minds every months, even in a single day from 7th to 8th of june, ppl changed 180 degrees, they are laughing at you, and you are clapping them lol. seems like changing mind once is better than changing too many times, this means that Aoun is still the most clever one who exists in Leb.
gioania 2 years ago
I'm no fan of Hariri or Jumblatt. Hariri needs to grow some balls and start taking decisions against Hezbollah rather than fearing them. Too bad he can't do a thing without another May 2008 happening. Jumblatt, well humdila, he's gone from March 14 & he's your problem now.
"Aoun changed his mind once" but he changed his principles. You people call Samir Geagea a murderer but don't recognize that he went to jail before even considering changing his principles. Aoun just only ever wanted power.
AschrafElNas 2 years ago
Finally they all change their mind today, they all want to protect hizballah, even hariri and joumblat... :-)
Lebnanawalan 2 years ago
Forget Aoun for a second, let's talk about the Aounists who changed their minds.
Let's talk about the Aounists who used to consider Bachir Gemayel a hero, they now call him an "evil zionist traitor" ever since the MoU.
Let's talk about the Aounists who used to take beatings from Syria and swore they'd never give in to Syria's influence, yet applauded their leader when he visited Syria.
Lets talk about the Aounists who went from believing in "one state, one army" to being pro-Hezbollah.
AschrafElNas 2 years ago
And let's talk about all the others who are doing and saying EXACTLY what aoun does... they are late... and ur comment is old fashioned.
Lebnanawalan 2 years ago
I said from the start that I do criticize all the others. With the exception of the LF, March 14 is going back on its words.
But two wrongs don't justify a right. And what do you mean my comment is old fashioned? It's as true now as it's ever been.
AschrafElNas 2 years ago
Sorry u didn't say anything about the others. Maybe aoun is wrong, i'm not criticizing his behavior. It's a point of view, maybe one day u'll understand.
But ask urself why the leaders of 14 march (hariri and joumblat) are doing the same "wrong" thing. please, be logical.
Lebnanawalan 2 years ago
I said "I'm no fan of Hariri or Jumblatt. Hariri needs to grow some balls and start taking decisions against Hezbollah rather than fearing them. Too bad he can't do a thing without another May 2008 happening. Jumblatt, well humdila, he's gone from March 14 & he's your problem now" so yes, I did criticize them. ;)
March 14 is dead. Forget about March 14. I'm speaking as an LF-symphasizer, we keep our principles and haven't changed them in our history.
AschrafElNas 2 years ago
Aoun changed his mind, joumblat also, hariri also... and ur against hezballah... Who's left? geagea? Good luck if u think he can build lebanon alone.
Lebnanawalan 2 years ago
Hariri didn't change his mind completely. He just has to take a more neutral role now that's PM. I'm sure the FM, with time, will move on to a more anti-HA stance.
Even if it was just Geagea left, it is still us abiding by our principles. Even if we represented .001% of the Christian community or if we had just 1 MP, we still stay true to the words we've been speaking for decades.
AschrafElNas 2 years ago
Poitics changes during years, it's so naive to think during 20 years a leader should have the same poitical behavior. And for sure it should change! It's a kind of evolution. It's like raising a child, u can't speak to ur child the same way at 2 years and at 20 years.
And for sure hariri and joumblat and all the other leaders should change, it's a good thing for our country.
Lebnanawalan 2 years ago
ما إلي نفس إخرى ب تم عون
و أيري بعطيه لكلب يمصو و ما بخليى عون يلحسو
عون واطي حقير زنديق عميل وسخ إبن وسخه
beesbk 2 years ago 2
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fuck all of you; General Aoun is the best and a Watani. God bless him!!!!!!!!!
talkloud1 2 years ago
Hayda ensein manno tabee3eh ! lezem yerja3 la dar al saleeb ! hayda wa7ad kezeb ...jeyabo masareh bass ...hayda manno lebneneh tool 3omro soureh ! il est un con ! il reve d'etre president ! c tout ! c' un reve de cochon ! egoiste et fou !
SuperFamousgirl 2 years ago
Why did we bother bringing him back to Lebanon? We should have kept him in France.
nerdheadbanger 2 years ago 6
7ayawaaaaaaaaaaaaan, kalebbbbbbbbb sold lebanon and his supports to become PM.
mazenmba 2 years ago 3
aoun
hayawan kbire
toporiental 3 years ago 5
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my name is elie doumit and if u really believe that he is please send me an email here and i will convince you .
Cheers
geopardy2007 3 years ago
haha 3angad michel aoun is a big joke
raachine 3 years ago 5
هبدا اسمو الحربائة عون مش الجنرال عون
sweetguy76 3 years ago
as usual el ouwet cant make a dialogue all they know is swearing, well i think this what ouwet is based on, swearing, drugs, killing , rape, etc..
but to talk about politic forget it.. 3anze law tarit mittle el 7akim taba3oun yalli baddo hakim..
wa choukran
thanks mousba2an 3a kil el msabeyt yalli badde ekela bass akid la7 tkouno 3am te7ki 3an emmetkoun w ekhtwetkoun)
Genralaoun 3 years ago
you re just made of the same shit.
people like you are so hateful that they re just so disgusting. i hope that someday you will be able to see things in a more broader sense.
krewsnew 3 years ago
mr whatever ur name is, awal chi ana ma ra7 sebbellak ne7na a3la men heik bektir w a3la mennak w men m3almak w men m3almino la m3almak. leik, hawdi l ze3ran l ouwet yalli 3am tehki 3announ, law mennoun ma ken fi masi7i ba3d bi lebnen. 3eib 3aleikoun, hawdi nes dafa3ou 7ayetoun la yeb2a raskoun marfou3. shame on u , 3anjad shame on u
Oumsiya 2 years ago
tfeh 3lek shu kalb khanzir kazzab w kiss immo la kel wa7ad ba3do ma3ak ya general l khara..
IbnRasBeirut 3 years ago 3
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hes not psycho im his family!
puzpuz789 3 years ago
hayawen
amesh67 3 years ago 7
تاريخ ميشال عون السياسي:
في الحرب، يمص زب اسرائيل
في المنفى، يمص زب فرنسا وأميركا وينتقد سوريا
يعود إلى لبنان، يمص زب سوريا وإيران وينتقد الدول العربية
مستقبلاً: في المعاملتين يمص زباب وبس دون تمييز عنصري أو طائفي، وعندها يكون أثبت أنه إنسان وطني يحب جميع اللبنانيين
mrfalafl 3 years ago 12
@mrfalafl lek ya 7ayawan ente wa7ad kazzab kento ENTO le ma3 isra2eel w houwwe kan dod souriya w ento kento tmossa la sourya, w lamma sourya taraketkon ento dorto dodda
sakker nee3ak ya a5o sharmouta
istiiizzz 1 year ago
@mrfalafl
Loool jayyde man.
FuckLebPoliticians 6 months ago
law fi menak 3ala ananas
lelyanangel 3 years ago
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Notice that all what Aoun said is consistent, contrarily of what the title of the video is trying to imply.. Aoun still thinks that Hezbolla should give up its weapons but to a trustworthy government, not to this illegitimate government who plots against Hezb behind their back.
dooVoob 3 years ago
have they give up their weapons?
cooleb 3 years ago
At least for the first time they are discussing a national defense strategy. Aoun stands for a unified government and under it all arms just like the rest of the hypocrites who call themselves national heroes. But the way he engages talks is different which brought up the understanding with Hezb built on trust. The ones who arent happy with Aoun are just jealous of him for being able to bring back the difficult number in the country: Hezballah. Ya Aoun Allah ma3ak, and only God knows the truth.
dooVoob 3 years ago
what the hell happened to ur beloved friend aoun 2 weeks ago...he attacked the army and covered for hezbollah! what the fuck? wake up, i was blind just like u and i have recently gave up on him, what a coward he is.
elirahal 3 years ago 4
l ouweht chatrin bel msabbeht ma bya3erfo y7ewro la ennon feshliin bel syehseh henneh w 7akimon, w ma byestarjo you2afo wej b wej, khedon 3ala 7akeh 3al internet haha, henneh li fawwato souryya 3ala lebnehn bel tes3iin w attalo l dobbat w wa2a3ouna bi khara me 2derna nekhlas menno ella ba3ed 15 seneh, w metlel kaleb jarrou 3al 7abes ma starja awwas rsasa houweh w rjehlo...w ba3dena if aoun is a big joke and he got almost 30 neyib, ja3ja3 chou mensammeh che77ad nouweehb
ozzbest7 1 year ago
@ozzbest7 ya akho l charmouta killin the generals not allowed but killin lebanese troups is allowed??!! rouh kess ekhtal ya loute l khara
thevirus2925 4 months ago
So where do you stand now you psycho demented idiot? You came to Lebanon, you were bought by the Syrians with a promise to become president and you simply forgot all what you said before. You changed like a chameleon to protect yourself. You sold your country. Shame on you and your whole family.
Byronws 3 years ago 3
if u try to ficuz more on it back than ther was a govermant wich was leaded buy him and befor he comes back he anticipated that ther will still be a govermant but when ther was no govemant now ther must be a hizb alla i dont know mabe that what he was trying to say any way kiloun mjanin fuck all of them lebanon will be better of without all of them min ja3ja3 w aun w jour
jadou88 3 years ago
funny how you all remind us whenever you want about the history of geagea and jounblat.. bas you don't remember what hizbollah did at Supermarket Melki for example! or we forgot? well for those who don't remember... it was a big blast at a supermarket that caused 12o victim.. hizbollah was behind it .. did geagea ever do that? NO..
Code961 3 years ago
are you joking me what is the difrance betwenn a bomb and getting pulld aside of the road on a road block and bein killd becuz yu wher not with the asshole 7akim evan tho you wher christian han they re muslem they might hav reason to do that but why did ja3ja3 kill so many civilian chistians HAN history go fuck yourself and learn about history beor you talk about it and no ther is no diffrance the diffrance is that killing your brother or killing you cuzin tats it asshole they are all murderes
jadou88 3 years ago
parapapapaaaaaaaaaa 7akeeem*!
hadi111111 4 years ago
ijraak 3alam a7la generaaaaaaaaal........... readdd history ppl and thnkkkk thats why god gave u mindsss.......... its obvious who isss interferinggg inn lebanon .......... bet7ebo ur enemyyyy more than usss ur sick pppl sick sick sickkkk .......
lovelydee11 4 years ago
ma neyekkon ella aoun ... ro7o l3abo ma3 l 7mar yalle le72ino !!!! TARARATATAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
natsaoun 4 years ago
kiss ikhtak chou ahbal wa majnoun
paris16175013 4 years ago
allah wel general.. leih ma betrou7o betshoufo kif geagea w jounblat 7arabo ba3don 15 sene w halla2 saro mwa77adin.. w ba3dein houwwe kein majbour you2af dod el 7ezeb la2enno houwwe kein 14 bass wa2ta daharet souriyya men lebnen battal fi 3endo shi dodd el 7ezeb so tabi3e iyghayyer ra2yo..
samerezzeddine 4 years ago 2
iza hinni sarami, el general barhan inno sermaye metlon!!!! ma hada baa yehki , noone is better than anyone, aoun is as shit as all the others...
lillykarl 3 years ago
ooof 3anjad ya general??
hahaha lol ure a clown w 3endak infisam bel shakhseyeh
ibz3 4 years ago
Alla be7ebbak ya Aoun
alsanfour 4 years ago
Aoun who bass, they are right, bass aoun can change his mind (I am being sarcastic by the way)
cooleb 4 years ago