ok this was really bothering me... responsibility was spelled wrong at 1:38... is that a british thing? lol i know its off topic but that was SO ANNOYING
I take the point that being obese increases his chances of health problems & possibly an early death. However, if you start along that road, where does it end? Are we going to refuse adoption on the basis of what car you drive? For example, will parents who drive a Gee Whiz be given priority over parents who drive an Audi TT? I mean, the TT drivers will go significantly faster than those in the Gee Whiz.
The point is, health issues should be secondary factors. The ability to parent is key.
It is not fair, not. Love is not contengent on weight. Yet crack whores can have babies without a license and sell them for crack. A smoker can adopt.
If his only issue was that he was fat but was otherwise healthy, well thin people can get cancer. People who eat lots of transfat can get heart disease without being fat. People can get early alzeimers with no advanced warning. Kids need love. I disagree with their decision.
All that's important is love there are numerous overweight parents with children why should it matter, although people are saying that he should just lose weight it shouldn't be an issue if he's healthy enough to love and care for the child that should be the only important thing.
at that weight the man is at serious risk for heart failure and diabetes. They are looking for the long term care for the child. It's sad but if he wishes to adopt he's needs to sort this out.
This is NOT as important as other issues, but if he's soooo fat that he can't move around much, then yes he should lose enough wait to be able to pull his wait in child care.
what would happen if there was a food shortage in this country, how could the authorities guarantee the fat adoptive parents would not eat their adoptive children .if one child gets eaten it will be one child too many.
keep fat people away from children ,fat people are disgusting people with no respect for their own bodies therefore should be culled and removed from society, their bodies could be given to the japanese and made into soap therefore reducing the need to cull beautiful whales from the oceans. it may also go a long way to saving the planet ,as the gases released from their fat arse,s will no longer be able to pollute the atmosphere Thank you
if there is a rule that someone is too fat to adopt a child then there must be a rule 4 someone to be too retaded to adopt someone wich = you jazza ! u cant even point correctly to the side bar.
There are chances the man *could* die from complications stemming from his weight, sure. However, a healthy person isn't guaranteed to live a full life either.
I've known many overweight people who live long lives. Not every fat person will die at an early age though it is certainly a risk.
But aren't there risks for all of us? No one is guaranteed to be living tomorrow.
the underlying factor thing ooh its my hormones or ooh its my genes ,is the same old crap we hear from fat people time and time again ,its very rare you hear a fat person say that they are fat because they eat too much and they never exercise.its simple if you stop eating ,you will lose weight and you will lose it a lot quicker if you combine the diet with exercise . so if you love and want kids so badly stop making excuses get of your fat arse, diet , go jogging, and adopt a child
cont-there are often underlying factors that concern weight gain , everything from hormones to genes to the kind of food and exercise available to that person. but yes I agree that being obese is def not healthy but I can't help thinking the council was being a bit harsh. I mean imagine being told 'no you can't have kids...cause you're too fat mate!'
the gene identified that can cause obesity, in studies of mice, can cause the mouse to be up to 15% more overweight than if they did not have the gene.
1st. this is a mouse's gene, and although this implies there may well be one in humans, i have not heard of one being identified (although anyone who has heard of this, let me know and link me to you source).
2nd. 15% is not much, when a BMI of 20 is right in the middle of the ideal range, having a BMI in the 40s cant really be put down to DNA
the council are putting the case of being an overweight person in the same categorically of being a smoker and an alcoholic but the issue is how much of that actually makes sense? I think comparing an obese person even one who is morbidly obese to an alcoholic is really just silly. first an alcoholic can not drink and since you don't have to drink whats the problem there ? but in the case of someone who's obese ,not every fat person is scoffing down chocs and snacks at every hour of the day .
if they want to adopt a child so badly why do they not make a small sacrifice ,firstly stop eating sh-t food ,secondly get off their fat arse,s and get some exercise ,within a few months they would have lost enough weight allowing them to feel better about themselves and also feeling fitter and finally giving them their dream of adopting a child .that child would also have the benefit. of having healthy parents .healthy parents = healthy kids
I understand that morbidly obese people are at greater risk for health problems and what have you, but I do think it is very stupid to have denied that man of adopting a child. Those kids have no parents, certainly to have loving and caring parents is a dream come true for them?
Yeah, first of all I was quite horrified but when you pointed out about the health risks then yeah it threw me off. I think the criteria need to be more defined though. For example, is a morbidly obese person more at risk of health problems then a heaver drinker/smoker? How much so? These need to be taken in to account.
(example) a body bulder can be considered to be over wheght and it will be mucle instead of fat . Also the adopting parents souldn't be dissmessd. True they are loking for good parents that will have the most positve affect on the child but, if there is one thing i know i have parents that are overwhight and they are concernd for their health but they have encouraged me to make better exersizing eating habbits from their experance.
I think it was right of them to not allow this couple to adopt, but the gov should also not allow people that drink or smoke excessivly adopt.
Anyways BMI isnt that good of a...thingie...some people can be in the overweight section but be much more healthy and fit then people in the 'normal' section. Health isnt all about weight and height. You have to look at food, exercise, drinking, and lifestyle
BMI isn't exactly a very accurate depiction of a person's health status because it doesn't take into consideration build/muscle mass, etc.
And while morbidly obese people are at risk for a lot of health problems, those aren't certainties. Many obese people live long, healthy lives. If they're going to base their choice of adoption on overall health, they need to run bloodwork such as lipids and stuff....
A lot of children who arent adopted have parents who are overweight, so its discrimination against people who can give that child a good home & one child adopted is one less that goes with no family life & a secure home.
There are two sides to this argument. The first impression is that they shouldn't deprive this man of having this child just because he is fat. It could be compared to stopping someone adopt because they are black or muslim. However, this man is MORBIDLY obese which means he could die due to his size. If a child is in need of adopted parents, it becomes clear they have had troubles with parents previously. It would be wrong to put a child in a family where their adoptive father might die.
I think it is unfair discrimination. It is going on an appearance based thing here. He may be overweight but overweight people can lead completely healthy lives, believe it or not.
If he is a perfect candidate otherwise, I think he should be allowed to adopt. Especially because there are so many unwanted children.
And for the record, being overweight does not automatically mean someone is incapable of caring for themselves. That's a dimwitted assumption.
well imparfaite, whilst i agree OVERWEIGHT people can look afterthemselves, thats very different to MORBIDLY obese-ie he is so fat he is at risk of a LOT of health problems, whilst I think it can be unfair in situations like this especially when junkie drug addict sponging chavs get to keep their(multiple) children-bring them up in awful conditions usually to end up like their parents and couples like this cant adopt-hi is very overweight and if he really cares-he will easilly loose the weight.
I think the council is right, as if he got ill, the children might have to be put up for adoption again if they can't look after them, which would be traumatic for the children to move around again. I think this should apply to heavy smokers and drinkers, for the same reasons
i agree, but the coucil wouldnt ba able to do that, because the vast majority of the population either drink or smoke on a regular basis. it would leave a very small amount of eligible candidates for adoption.
I was only suggesting that very heavy drinkers- e.g alcoholics and very heavy smokers would be excluded unless they got help. It's true that it might be hard to implement, as it would take a while to vet parents
I think the health risks are too great at his BMI level. He is has a high risk ( without other factors like family history) of CVD, diabetes, BP and other not so fetal conditions. However, according to the article, they told him that in 6 months, he'll have to undergo another exam to determain if he lost some weight. If he wants to adopt, he'll try.
I think If he loses weight in those six months, they should let him adopt if he promises to continue losing weight untill he's healthier.
if the man was a skinny guy because he was annorexic and didnt eat enough food. BUT HE WAS SKINNY. does that make him elligible?
are you going to have this man possibly ruin is body trying to get skinny so he can help a homeless child ? all the people saying this is the right thing to do. you go out and adopt the kid yourself then.
kids want a parent. some1 steos up. and people are gonna say. NO HE IS TO FAT. SO YOU CANT HAVE ONE AT ALL. its not like he is a abusive, drug addict.
Ehh, while I see where they're coming from, I think he should be allowed to adopt. There are SO many children that need to be adopted. :/ Having a fat father and normal? mother is better than being shipped around from foster home to foster home.
Yes but what about the people who smoke and drink alcohol ?
they have a risk of cancer yeah? so why just an obese person? If this is the case why not anorexics as well since they will also have health issues? hmm. I just wanted to post that :) all replies welcomed
But if they are going to turn down one couple because of supposed "health" issues, they need to do the same thing with every couple. And it sounds like they judged how healthy this guy is by how fat he looks, and health can't always be judged by how healthy someone looks. someone who "looks healthy" could have serious health problems
i'm positive that "health" issues are the only concern the DOCTOR that performed damien hall's physical on behalf of the adoption council.
and if you look into the adoption guidelines of your country and state, you'll see that drug and alcohol addiction (which would include smoking) is something that under goes the same amount of scrutiny.
and this isn't about his looks,
the fact that he is more than 100 pounds overweight is about more than just aesthetics.
I think it depends on the reason he's overweight. If he's been unwell (a friend put on something like three stone when he broke his collar bone and couldn't move around much coz he spent it sitting around) then it's a bit unfair, since assumably he'd lose it once he resumed normal activity. I think it's reasonable to be concerned, but not so much to deprive the man of adoption, supplying him reason to lose weight and no doubt needed support for the kid/s, because of his weight.
That's also awful for his wife. She may be as thin as they come, yet because of her husband's weight she is unable to have the child she wants.
But, is obesity as great an issue as smoking, drinking, etc under these circumstances? I wouldn't say so. Especially drinking. You could be putting the child in not only an unhealthy but also violent environment.
I get why they would ask him to lose weight, for not only is he at risk for certain health issues, but his adopted child could pick up his eating habits as well. I'm assuming that's what their trail of thought was, at least. But, it is quite harsh to turn him down and tell him that the only way for him to be an acceptable adoptive parent is to lose weight.
I think the reasoning is terrible. Not all people who are "obese" according to BMI are drastically unhealthy. I read the article and the guy says that he doesn't just sit around and eat fast food.
Also, you can't prevent someone from adopting just because they might get sick someday. Everyone might get sick someday or get in some horrible accident.
As a child of a parent who is overweight, my parents have made sure that all of my siblings and me would be healthy, in some cases it doesn't work that way, but in a lot of cases it makes the parents want to have healthy children. It doesn't make sense to discriminate.
Yes it should! Would like to be brought up by Jabba the Hutt? :)
Smack head real parent V McDonalds chomp comp comper V 86% Average couple. Kind of hard.
In all honestly if I was back in foster care I'd go for Mr McFatty. You can't really loose, he has a bad day, comfort food "Yay" McDonalds", he has a great day "Yay McDonalds" (Other dirty fast food franc's are available)
actually I think it matters, but the reason is children-oriented. what you've mentioned about the adopter getting ill is one main concern, and the other, is for the child not to develop unhealthy eating habits. the influence of family members on children does matter a lot. and IMO losing the weight can do no harm to anyone.
I love that you are a very thoughtful individual. Here's my opinion, as a fat woman: Everyone is different. He's classified morbidly obese, so assuming his obesity DOES or WOULD interfere with raising a child, I agree with the adoption agency. However -- some obese people can get along just fine, and are healthy, despite being labled obese. There shouldn't be a blanket policy. People should be judged on a case by case basis re: fitness. Children need parents! Even fat parents.
rhyming: OK. Just about rules 98.4% of the population out of adopting then! Obese, watch 'Eastenders', smoke, drink, have smelly feet, support Manchester United etc? Forget adopting!
God, that's a tough one. I think it's a little unnecessary to decline them purely on the weight issue, but think it's fair to be taken into consideration along with other health related issues. That doesn't really get us anywhere, does it?
I dont think weight should matter when adopting, I dont really think it will matter my dad is over weight but i am very skinny its not like because your parent is fat he will shove food down your thought. And i think if the son/daughter did ask for help on weight issues i think he would know what to say because he is over weight so it might actually help that the man is over weight. You know what i mean?
yes i think it's perfectly fair. fat people are fat because they eat too much and don't exercise. they can change this anytime they want. they've made a choice to be gross and obese, and like any choice there should be consequences. as you can probably tell, I'm sick of whingeing on behalf of fat people - stop whingeing, exercise, eat less and your problems will be solved. it's your fault you're obeses, change it!
actually many overwight people have metabolism problems (from being given crap food as a kid) or hormone/gland problems which makes it very hard to NOT gain weight whenever they eat food, even with a normal diet. Hardly any fat person wants to be fat so i wouldnt say its by choice either.
so it's just coincidendence that virtually all fat people take no exercise, sit in front of their screens all day, and eat calorific junk food? stop the excuses, stop the whingeing, just get up, get out and lose the weight!
I know a lot of fat people who eat better and exercise more than "thin" people I know. what exactly is your opinion based on, because it obviously isn't based in any kind of factual evidence.
that makes no sense. if the only factors being considered are poor diet and no exercise, a thin person would be just as unhealthy as a fat person who does those things.
the ability to think logically has clearly left you. with a few exceptions, the thin are thin because they don't overeat and take some exercise. the opposite for the fat.
being a normal weight isn't usually a problem, being obese always is.
anyway, i'm bored of this, goodbye, i'll let you get back to making excuses for the obese
If they would be good parents then who cares about weight. They should be happy to have good people willing to give a good home for children that aren't even they're own.
its a hard topic cause im sure they'd be fantastic parents, but if a kids adoptive father dies or is sick, you can imagine how much stress and sadness it would bring to the kid...so if theres a high chance of that happening.... =/
Anyone can die at anytime of anything. We have seen time and again a very healthy person (very fit at that) drop dead. So, I honestly can't agree with that. Plus, who knows what's going on in the family tree that would play in as well. If that's the chase everyone fat or thin should go through a whole blood screen test to see if they're level's are healthy enough. You would be amazed of all the thin and so called healthy people out there that really aren't.
I don't think it is entirely fair for the couple to be denied because of the husbands weight, but I do understand why they were. A person needs to be able to keep himself or herself healthy before they can care for a child. Of course, then I think of the people who mindlessly procreate and treat their kids like crap or raise them in an unhealthy environment and I'm right back on the wall again.
it said the man was fat, the woman might be healthy, and the adopted kid could end up with a family who gives them a load of other bad traits and habbits..
You can get a load of bad habbits and traits regardless of weight. That really has nothing to do with it. Plus, the man was over weight. By what a pound or two. This subject is taken to far sometimes.
I know its not nice to turn down the couple but the mans weight is quite a big factor as he may have long term health problems and he needs to look after the baby.
i think that its completely unfair because its like saying if your boilogical parents which you had stayed with and lived with, if they got fat they could take the child away, this is a ludacrus thing that the council have turned down.
I think that it is a totally fair decision. Not only could the adopted child possibly have to deal with this man's health problems, people often adopt the habits and lifestyles of those who raise them. These people could possibly pass on unhealthy eating habits to the child that they adopt.
At first I was like "OMG that's wrong and not fair." But if you think about it, it makes a ton of sense. The adoption parents need to be there for their adopted kids, and their "real" kids so they should not have health risks. The lady is right in what she did.
What matters most is how good the people are. I doubt the people of the council would have even bothered to tell the man to lose weight or lose the chance to adopt if he wasn't a good person who could adopt a child through them should the weight problem be resolved. I, however, have to agree with the councils decision, but not for the reason most of you do. Children going through adoption have gone through some tough stuff, they don't need to see a morbidly obese parent die from...
If an obese person does become a parent, there children have the possibility of becoming obese themselves. Whether this is a predisposition to food addictions, or because of the lifestyle, remains to be seen with each person, but you all aren't wrong in saying that this could happen to a child who is adopted, just as much as it could happen to a child who is born of these parents, but I'm saying I'd be more worried of the person dying if I were on...
I kind of agree, because if a smoker is turned down for not being able to adopt a child then, its obvious to see why, you don't want the child to be influenced into smoking or become ill my passive smoking.
A for a 'fat' person to be turned down it first seems harsh. But its like-ly that the adopted child will become over weight as well, which can easy lead to health risks as well.
You gave his weight in stone for the English & lbs for the US but left out us poor Aussies by not giving it in kilos :(
I think it's fair that he was turned down because of his weight. Parents who adopt will probably have to take care of their charges for up to 10 or 15 years so long-term health is important. Also, I think to get to that weight without any medical reason it's a sign that he's built a poor mechanism for coping with the stresses of life, much the same as smoking or drinking.
not only would the father have health problems, but he wouldn't be able to play with his child as easily and it's very likely that the child would take on their father's eating habits. the father's obesity is setting a bad example for the child. and obese people are often more likely to become depressed, which would have harmful effects on the child
this is a hard one...but obese people have their own children all the time. it matters most how good a parent they are and how much they love their child. it would be nice for him to lose weight and live longer to support his child but they didn't have to turn them down. they could have just spoken with them about this. or not. whatever. i think it's wrong.
I think it's fair, if he was simply overweight, it might be discrimination... but obesity-if not due to a health issue-is a matter of a bad lifestyle (lack of exercise or actual diet) which would be detrimental to any adopted child; who will most likely learn the habits and beliefs of their adoptive parents.
Smokers, drug users with a history of relapse and criminals are also people I wouldn't recommend for the same reasons above.
If smokers, alcoholics and other people like them also were denied the right to adopt then fine but otherwise that looks like a lawsuit waiting to happen
As horrible as it sounds, it is a good point. Also, the child may be more likely to become unheathily obese in that environment. That being said, if that is the only thing wrong with this couple I don't think it's enough to not allow them to adopt. I don't know much about adoption, but I'm sure most children who are alone in the world would prefer a loving home with an overweight parent to no home at all.
Also I'm not surprised that the masturbation thing is guys only. Figures.
so are going to start putting limitations on birth parents? oh you're too fat, you can't have a child, even though you're perfectly able to. Some families are genetically predisposed to being overweight. While they may be high-risk for other diseases, some overweight people are very healthy compared to some. I mean people who exercise (generally, too much) can die of heart attacks and have more serious health problems than the overweight... I believe this is going to lead to eugenics.
Jesus Christ, you're an idiot. Its this simple - would you give a child to a cancer patient? No. Because they have are highly likely to fall ill and die.
So would you give a child to someone who has a substantial risk that they may catch cancer? NO. BECAUSE THEY ARE LIKELY TO FALL ILL AND DIE.
I'm not an idiot. I didn't say give the kids to the cancer patient... However I find this a very touchy subject. I'm not saying let terminally ill cancer patients to adopt, but does anyone know the future? No, not really, people can make educated predictions. My uncle and aunt adopted a boy when he was 18 months. Both were perfectly healthy. However my uncle had been a smoker when he was young and 11 years later when my adopted cousin was 12 died of esophageal cancer. My cousin turned out fine!
I think the council has actually been quite fair because the man is at risk of diseases etc. and thats kind of unfair on the kid, but also he doesn't give out a very good message about caring for your body and living healthily. It's another aspect of lifestyle such as booze that needs to be taken into account.
And to be fair they aren't asking him to be average weight, a BMI of 40 is still quite high.
I had a very similar response to you. At first I was like omg wtf!!! But having thought about it (and listened to you obvs) I'm with you. Not only is there the issue of the potential father's health, you have to think what kind of example he's setting for the child.
and as for discriminating against europe, that is in no way true as i am from england, isnt it obvious he is only using what measurements he comfortable with?
haha, thankyou for defending me but no need, the vast majority of feedback I get is good, and i like irrational hate comments anyways, i find them funny. :)
why does everone hate this guy? he is only putting his views across to everyone and letting us discus them! he's trying to open our minds to obscure topics so we can dicide upon the answers! Go rhymingwithoranges!
Yeah, thanks for translating in pounds, but do you people even recognise that the almost whole world uses the metric system. So thanks for translating it into another unit I don't understand. What I want to say: stop discriminating against Europe by using weird things like pounds or stone...
Anyway... I think they should be allowed to adopt. If fat people can make children without having them taken away from them because of health risks, why shouldn't they be allowed to adopt?
Thank God there is Google to clear things up for me. I just meant that if you do make the effort to convert the measuring units, why don't convert in kg, too. :)
Thanks for translating UK vs US weight measurements appreciate it. yes it is discrimating but the sad fact is if anyone tries to adopt a child the agency you apply to is going to judge you not only on your merits but also on their own personal prejudices and opinion on how one looks. i could told you that masterbating would help lessen risk of cancer :) My you covered a wide range of topics in this video.
i don't think it should be that much of a concern, but, children are highly influenced by their parents (obviously) and if they don't lead a healthy lifestyle then not only could the father have numerous health problems but he would also be influencing the child in such a way, that he or she could face obesity later in their life because of unhealthy eating habits. :)
Being an 18 year old who is adopted, I think this is appalling. My adoptive mom is overweight and my adoptive dad is average. Their weight did not influence how I was raised. Same for my best friend who is also adopted, her father is obese. Our parents are able to provide for us, which is what birth mothers are looking for.
If people are being turned down for being overweight, then people with a BMI of 18.5 or less should be too since they are underweight and can develop health problems also
i think that that the spokeswoman has a point because if the man is adopting a kid then there's a chance that the kid would be hyperactive because they wud obviously be excited about going to a new home and adjusting to their surroundings so that wud be abit too much for the man to cope, possibly giving him a chance of a heart attack so yh i think that he wud need to loose weight n start a healthier lifestyle in order to adjust with having a kid around the house. Great video btw XD i love it! xx
so if he was below 40bmi before adoptions and gained weight to over 40bmi a few years after, they would take the child away from them?
The world is full of fat biological parents. I suppose we should start taking children away from them because that person could become develop health issues because of weight. Why stop there. Take children away from anyone who develops cancer, diabetes, heart disease, etc.
How easy is it to find adoptive parents for at risk children in the first place?
i completely agree with you, when you first said that the couple were turned down, i thought about it for a while and thought that the parents wouldn't be able to do certain things with the child. so i do think that people shouldn't be obese if they want to adopt.
andd. i dont think that heathrow should do that new runway, i heard they have to get rid of quite alot of houses if they want to build it
i agree with that bmi should be taken into account in extreme circumstances. it is for the same exact reason that smoking and drinking problems are taken into account-- the health issues. this may seem like a stretch considering the others have risks of second hand smoked and altered behavior, being raised by someone of that... magnitude could press an unappreciated responsibility upon a child to care for someone who, after a certain point, possiby wont be able to work or care for themselves.
Well. I would be concerned that whoever is doing the food preperation for the man, will also be doing the food preperation for the child. It would not be good for a child to get overweight.
Mind you - we don't take children away from their own parents because the parents are obese. So... swings and roundabouts really.
I live quite a long way from Heathrow... so I'm not too fussed.
i think the issue isnt just health problems he could face, but the amount of enery he would need to look after a young child, which he most likely wouldnt have.
Although I understand that his BMI classifies him as morbidly obess, there are factors that could be contributing to his obesity. Things such as genetics, thyroid problems, height and other such things could be contributing. If someone would make a good parent, they should be able to adopt a child. Even if something were to happen to the man, there is still his wife to take care of the child. Many children today are being raised in single parent households. The child won't receive any less love.
To me, it looks like there are a lot of single parent households because I live in an area with a high population of them. Children should be able to live with a good family if that family can provide for them. The only problem in this situation is the man. Assuming the woman is in good health, I don't see why the child cannot be placed there. The man is only potentially at risk for anything. Why prevent a child from being placed in a good home because something could happen?
While I understand the reasoning for turning this couple down, it is a direct effect of the highly exacerbated stigma over the potential health conditions of overweight people. My opinion is if they truly want to make weight such a factor in adoption process, they should study the man's previous medical files to see if he has any other indications that any of these health problems could happen in the foreseeable future, because every person is subject to many other factors than just being fat.
Well I don't know for the uk but in singapore, no matter what hidden abusive history the parents have with the child, the child is by law, obliged to take care of their parents. So if people start adopting just for kids to take care of them in the future then that's gonna be a problem. Plus his case is extreme obesity. That's like comparing an alcoholic father would be bad. But parents who drink aren't.
Alright Ryming, I think that Obesity is going to become (excuse the pun) a huge thing over the next few years. We are taxed massively for other things that harm us such as Cigarettes and alcohol, they are a risk to us and send us to an early grave, though unhealthy food and a lack of exercise aren't penalized in this way at all. Maybe this is a good start. Maybe we should be charged by overall weight when we go on airoplanes. Hmmm now there's the danger I'm sounding a bit like Hitler. Not good.
very good point that we are taxed on things like smokes and booze, why not crappy food? Nice to see you taking part in my discussiony thingys, it makes me happy
i know.. i was gutted when I found out you were going, and I wasn't.
Hmm. I was thinking about this again, and thought that the guy should be able to take care of himself. BUT if he got fat due to not taking care of himself, then it's not right.. But if this man puts on weight because of his BMI (or whatever it is..) then it's not fair..
I'm not really sure about where I stand on the issue. While the fact that the man could literally keel over from a heart attack and traumatize the young'un, I feel like the biggest problem [in my eyes] would be that he wouldn't be teaching the child a healthy lifestyle. [And, don't go and attack me for that. And I realize that biological parents do the same thing.] But, because of that aside, I don't think it's the agency's place to say "No, you're too fat to have a child."
to be honest anyone could get hit by a bus tomorrow and end up dead (not a pessimist i swear!) and it wouldnt deminish their capacity to parent! i dont understand why this man is being discriminated against if he has enough wants to be a parent and help a child who has been through tough times then being fat shouldnt stop him
I think it's discrimination. I understand their point, with the higher BMI, but some people are born with bad metabolisms- genetically programmed to be overweight. Overweight people don't always have health problems, either- my dad was roughly that weight for the majority of my childhood, and I can't imagine a better father.
Well , I think that kind of sucks . Kids can be influenced by overweight parents too though ... so idk . What's the worst thing that can happen ?
JesselaPotter 8 months ago
whats the worse he could do? eat the kid?
and nice ukulele in the background ^^
shanemc95 8 months ago
ok this was really bothering me... responsibility was spelled wrong at 1:38... is that a british thing? lol i know its off topic but that was SO ANNOYING
dudeilovecats 1 year ago
@dudeilovecats no it's a typo.
badbademmabrown 1 year ago
I take the point that being obese increases his chances of health problems & possibly an early death. However, if you start along that road, where does it end? Are we going to refuse adoption on the basis of what car you drive? For example, will parents who drive a Gee Whiz be given priority over parents who drive an Audi TT? I mean, the TT drivers will go significantly faster than those in the Gee Whiz.
The point is, health issues should be secondary factors. The ability to parent is key.
LyallM94 1 year ago
And if these loving potential parents cannot adopt then the kids remain in care. Yeah, that's fair on the kids.
welshchick1993 1 year ago
It is not fair, not. Love is not contengent on weight. Yet crack whores can have babies without a license and sell them for crack. A smoker can adopt.
If his only issue was that he was fat but was otherwise healthy, well thin people can get cancer. People who eat lots of transfat can get heart disease without being fat. People can get early alzeimers with no advanced warning. Kids need love. I disagree with their decision.
DarkQuietWyattON 1 year ago
All that's important is love there are numerous overweight parents with children why should it matter, although people are saying that he should just lose weight it shouldn't be an issue if he's healthy enough to love and care for the child that should be the only important thing.
DramaQueen2107 1 year ago
at that weight the man is at serious risk for heart failure and diabetes. They are looking for the long term care for the child. It's sad but if he wishes to adopt he's needs to sort this out.
Domoanksahu 1 year ago
Wow....my BMI is 51. Guess I can forget adopting lol
clemsonfight 1 year ago
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tryanjohnson 1 year ago
This is NOT as important as other issues, but if he's soooo fat that he can't move around much, then yes he should lose enough wait to be able to pull his wait in child care.
missyah101 1 year ago
he could eat the kid
magicmate9000 2 years ago
i <3 jazza
SnickersInTheBarn 2 years ago
get a nose job
what a wanker
put your 3d glasses on,,,,,,,,,,,,now
mbmjson 2 years ago
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This guys a twat. Get some skin cream and fuck off.
hazzario 2 years ago
responsibility....
fallella 2 years ago
what would happen if there was a food shortage in this country, how could the authorities guarantee the fat adoptive parents would not eat their adoptive children .if one child gets eaten it will be one child too many.
gunnergreg1965 2 years ago
keep fat people away from children ,fat people are disgusting people with no respect for their own bodies therefore should be culled and removed from society, their bodies could be given to the japanese and made into soap therefore reducing the need to cull beautiful whales from the oceans. it may also go a long way to saving the planet ,as the gases released from their fat arse,s will no longer be able to pollute the atmosphere Thank you
bunnyspangles 2 years ago
if there is a rule that someone is too fat to adopt a child then there must be a rule 4 someone to be too retaded to adopt someone wich = you jazza ! u cant even point correctly to the side bar.
chrishasaclue 2 years ago
There are chances the man *could* die from complications stemming from his weight, sure. However, a healthy person isn't guaranteed to live a full life either.
I've known many overweight people who live long lives. Not every fat person will die at an early age though it is certainly a risk.
But aren't there risks for all of us? No one is guaranteed to be living tomorrow.
mysteriouscris05 2 years ago
Thats even worse imagine walking into your parents bedroom and seeing your dad doing your other dad up the arse
gregthegooner 2 years ago 5
seems fair ..yes...although didnt a pair of gays adopt a child the other day
matthewstokefc 2 years ago
the underlying factor thing ooh its my hormones or ooh its my genes ,is the same old crap we hear from fat people time and time again ,its very rare you hear a fat person say that they are fat because they eat too much and they never exercise.its simple if you stop eating ,you will lose weight and you will lose it a lot quicker if you combine the diet with exercise . so if you love and want kids so badly stop making excuses get of your fat arse, diet , go jogging, and adopt a child
gregthegooner 2 years ago 3
very overweight= heart attack = death = single parent for adopted child.
SEEMS REASONABLE
leoamar4385896 2 years ago 3
cont-there are often underlying factors that concern weight gain , everything from hormones to genes to the kind of food and exercise available to that person. but yes I agree that being obese is def not healthy but I can't help thinking the council was being a bit harsh. I mean imagine being told 'no you can't have kids...cause you're too fat mate!'
Riko1980 2 years ago
the gene identified that can cause obesity, in studies of mice, can cause the mouse to be up to 15% more overweight than if they did not have the gene.
1st. this is a mouse's gene, and although this implies there may well be one in humans, i have not heard of one being identified (although anyone who has heard of this, let me know and link me to you source).
2nd. 15% is not much, when a BMI of 20 is right in the middle of the ideal range, having a BMI in the 40s cant really be put down to DNA
Leolmlr 2 years ago
the council are putting the case of being an overweight person in the same categorically of being a smoker and an alcoholic but the issue is how much of that actually makes sense? I think comparing an obese person even one who is morbidly obese to an alcoholic is really just silly. first an alcoholic can not drink and since you don't have to drink whats the problem there ? but in the case of someone who's obese ,not every fat person is scoffing down chocs and snacks at every hour of the day .
Riko1980 2 years ago
give the kids to hugely fat parents, kids are gonna end up hugely fat
good move not letting them have the kid
songratingaccount 2 years ago 3
if they want to adopt a child so badly why do they not make a small sacrifice ,firstly stop eating sh-t food ,secondly get off their fat arse,s and get some exercise ,within a few months they would have lost enough weight allowing them to feel better about themselves and also feeling fitter and finally giving them their dream of adopting a child .that child would also have the benefit. of having healthy parents .healthy parents = healthy kids
gregthegooner 2 years ago 6
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gregthegooner 2 years ago
tell them to stop eating mcdonalds and kfc,s then they will be able to adopt , no sympathy for fat people
gregthegooner 2 years ago
agreed, turned down for eating too much? then stop fucking eating so much you fat fuck!!!
songratingaccount 2 years ago
I understand that morbidly obese people are at greater risk for health problems and what have you, but I do think it is very stupid to have denied that man of adopting a child. Those kids have no parents, certainly to have loving and caring parents is a dream come true for them?
jesherka 2 years ago
Surely It's better to have overweight parents than non at all?
thatawkwardmoment 2 years ago 4
Yeah, first of all I was quite horrified but when you pointed out about the health risks then yeah it threw me off. I think the criteria need to be more defined though. For example, is a morbidly obese person more at risk of health problems then a heaver drinker/smoker? How much so? These need to be taken in to account.
Johnintheplace 2 years ago 2
I agree with you Jazza
bluebirch114 2 years ago
why are they going by the B.M.I. ?
(example) a body bulder can be considered to be over wheght and it will be mucle instead of fat . Also the adopting parents souldn't be dissmessd. True they are loking for good parents that will have the most positve affect on the child but, if there is one thing i know i have parents that are overwhight and they are concernd for their health but they have encouraged me to make better exersizing eating habbits from their experance.
23indiangirl15 2 years ago
:] I can't decide, but so far in thought, I believe it was an idiot idea to not let him adopt.
OhAdunDunDun 2 years ago
I think it was right of them to not allow this couple to adopt, but the gov should also not allow people that drink or smoke excessivly adopt.
Anyways BMI isnt that good of a...thingie...some people can be in the overweight section but be much more healthy and fit then people in the 'normal' section. Health isnt all about weight and height. You have to look at food, exercise, drinking, and lifestyle
peterS2mymum 2 years ago
BMI isn't exactly a very accurate depiction of a person's health status because it doesn't take into consideration build/muscle mass, etc.
And while morbidly obese people are at risk for a lot of health problems, those aren't certainties. Many obese people live long, healthy lives. If they're going to base their choice of adoption on overall health, they need to run bloodwork such as lipids and stuff....
alizabethw05 2 years ago
A lot of children who arent adopted have parents who are overweight, so its discrimination against people who can give that child a good home & one child adopted is one less that goes with no family life & a secure home.
dweyn34 2 years ago 3
There are two sides to this argument. The first impression is that they shouldn't deprive this man of having this child just because he is fat. It could be compared to stopping someone adopt because they are black or muslim. However, this man is MORBIDLY obese which means he could die due to his size. If a child is in need of adopted parents, it becomes clear they have had troubles with parents previously. It would be wrong to put a child in a family where their adoptive father might die.
MeggieGXD 2 years ago
I think it is unfair discrimination. It is going on an appearance based thing here. He may be overweight but overweight people can lead completely healthy lives, believe it or not.
If he is a perfect candidate otherwise, I think he should be allowed to adopt. Especially because there are so many unwanted children.
And for the record, being overweight does not automatically mean someone is incapable of caring for themselves. That's a dimwitted assumption.
imparfaite 2 years ago
well imparfaite, whilst i agree OVERWEIGHT people can look afterthemselves, thats very different to MORBIDLY obese-ie he is so fat he is at risk of a LOT of health problems, whilst I think it can be unfair in situations like this especially when junkie drug addict sponging chavs get to keep their(multiple) children-bring them up in awful conditions usually to end up like their parents and couples like this cant adopt-hi is very overweight and if he really cares-he will easilly loose the weight.
tartansam 2 years ago
omg you sound exactly like my music teacher!!!
904DolphinFreak 2 years ago
I think the council is right, as if he got ill, the children might have to be put up for adoption again if they can't look after them, which would be traumatic for the children to move around again. I think this should apply to heavy smokers and drinkers, for the same reasons
redblackkittycat 2 years ago
i agree, but the coucil wouldnt ba able to do that, because the vast majority of the population either drink or smoke on a regular basis. it would leave a very small amount of eligible candidates for adoption.
IHeadfirstForHalos 2 years ago
I was only suggesting that very heavy drinkers- e.g alcoholics and very heavy smokers would be excluded unless they got help. It's true that it might be hard to implement, as it would take a while to vet parents
redblackkittycat 2 years ago
I think the health risks are too great at his BMI level. He is has a high risk ( without other factors like family history) of CVD, diabetes, BP and other not so fetal conditions. However, according to the article, they told him that in 6 months, he'll have to undergo another exam to determain if he lost some weight. If he wants to adopt, he'll try.
I think If he loses weight in those six months, they should let him adopt if he promises to continue losing weight untill he's healthier.
sarahbemine 2 years ago
if the man was a skinny guy because he was annorexic and didnt eat enough food. BUT HE WAS SKINNY. does that make him elligible?
are you going to have this man possibly ruin is body trying to get skinny so he can help a homeless child ? all the people saying this is the right thing to do. you go out and adopt the kid yourself then.
kids want a parent. some1 steos up. and people are gonna say. NO HE IS TO FAT. SO YOU CANT HAVE ONE AT ALL. its not like he is a abusive, drug addict.
clockwise16912 2 years ago
Ehh, while I see where they're coming from, I think he should be allowed to adopt. There are SO many children that need to be adopted. :/ Having a fat father and normal? mother is better than being shipped around from foster home to foster home.
Coruscating 2 years ago
It makes sense but it's still not right.
joshkuck 2 years ago
If his weight was at the fatal point, then he should work on that. It would be upsetting for the kid to lose a parent right after he or she got one.
bdmjintx 2 years ago
they were afraid he was going to eat the kids lol
timelleb 2 years ago
Well said :) I think that it doesn't matter about later health risks . . as long as the child/children have a good life whilst adopters are alive :D
TheTokioHotelFan 3 years ago
Yes but what about the people who smoke and drink alcohol ?
they have a risk of cancer yeah? so why just an obese person? If this is the case why not anorexics as well since they will also have health issues? hmm. I just wanted to post that :) all replies welcomed
TheTokioHotelFan 3 years ago
the BMI is rendered useless if a majority of your weight is muscle, so the rugby team remark is irrelevant.
and this man, Damien Hall is not just obese he's MORBIDLY obese.
this is an issue of health not discrimination
RogerLee7125 3 years ago
But if they are going to turn down one couple because of supposed "health" issues, they need to do the same thing with every couple. And it sounds like they judged how healthy this guy is by how fat he looks, and health can't always be judged by how healthy someone looks. someone who "looks healthy" could have serious health problems
hoffmangirl23 3 years ago
i'm positive that "health" issues are the only concern the DOCTOR that performed damien hall's physical on behalf of the adoption council.
and if you look into the adoption guidelines of your country and state, you'll see that drug and alcohol addiction (which would include smoking) is something that under goes the same amount of scrutiny.
and this isn't about his looks,
the fact that he is more than 100 pounds overweight is about more than just aesthetics.
RogerLee7125 3 years ago
I think it depends on the reason he's overweight. If he's been unwell (a friend put on something like three stone when he broke his collar bone and couldn't move around much coz he spent it sitting around) then it's a bit unfair, since assumably he'd lose it once he resumed normal activity. I think it's reasonable to be concerned, but not so much to deprive the man of adoption, supplying him reason to lose weight and no doubt needed support for the kid/s, because of his weight.
Shindai 3 years ago
That's also awful for his wife. She may be as thin as they come, yet because of her husband's weight she is unable to have the child she wants.
But, is obesity as great an issue as smoking, drinking, etc under these circumstances? I wouldn't say so. Especially drinking. You could be putting the child in not only an unhealthy but also violent environment.
hannikate 3 years ago
I get why they would ask him to lose weight, for not only is he at risk for certain health issues, but his adopted child could pick up his eating habits as well. I'm assuming that's what their trail of thought was, at least. But, it is quite harsh to turn him down and tell him that the only way for him to be an acceptable adoptive parent is to lose weight.
hannikate 3 years ago 2
well i personally think its sumwhat stupid becuase sum people i know cant just up and lose a few pounds (im from america) becuase its genetic so yeah
weasleyrokchick75 3 years ago
I think the reasoning is terrible. Not all people who are "obese" according to BMI are drastically unhealthy. I read the article and the guy says that he doesn't just sit around and eat fast food.
Also, you can't prevent someone from adopting just because they might get sick someday. Everyone might get sick someday or get in some horrible accident.
hoffmangirl23 3 years ago
As a child of a parent who is overweight, my parents have made sure that all of my siblings and me would be healthy, in some cases it doesn't work that way, but in a lot of cases it makes the parents want to have healthy children. It doesn't make sense to discriminate.
GetDownThenStandUp 3 years ago
Yes it should! Would like to be brought up by Jabba the Hutt? :)
Smack head real parent V McDonalds chomp comp comper V 86% Average couple. Kind of hard.
In all honestly if I was back in foster care I'd go for Mr McFatty. You can't really loose, he has a bad day, comfort food "Yay" McDonalds", he has a great day "Yay McDonalds" (Other dirty fast food franc's are available)
CrazyDrZenith 3 years ago
actually I think it matters, but the reason is children-oriented. what you've mentioned about the adopter getting ill is one main concern, and the other, is for the child not to develop unhealthy eating habits. the influence of family members on children does matter a lot. and IMO losing the weight can do no harm to anyone.
4snowlover 3 years ago
i want a pantless vlog!
(meekakitty :P)
ewhite039 3 years ago
I agree with the adoption agency
lsnook 3 years ago
I love that you are a very thoughtful individual. Here's my opinion, as a fat woman: Everyone is different. He's classified morbidly obese, so assuming his obesity DOES or WOULD interfere with raising a child, I agree with the adoption agency. However -- some obese people can get along just fine, and are healthy, despite being labled obese. There shouldn't be a blanket policy. People should be judged on a case by case basis re: fitness. Children need parents! Even fat parents.
LoriAretz 3 years ago
awesome video, but it would be better PANTLESS!...(meekakitty made me!)
maclover246 3 years ago
I think they have a very plausible reason not to give them the child. They're right, what if the couple contracts some kind of disease?
I think that they need to worry about their own health before they look after the welfare of another. Especially a child =/
AnekaSvajone 3 years ago
rhyming: OK. Just about rules 98.4% of the population out of adopting then! Obese, watch 'Eastenders', smoke, drink, have smelly feet, support Manchester United etc? Forget adopting!
fletzy44 3 years ago
God, that's a tough one. I think it's a little unnecessary to decline them purely on the weight issue, but think it's fair to be taken into consideration along with other health related issues. That doesn't really get us anywhere, does it?
aaaaaaaaaargh 3 years ago
I dont think weight should matter when adopting, I dont really think it will matter my dad is over weight but i am very skinny its not like because your parent is fat he will shove food down your thought. And i think if the son/daughter did ask for help on weight issues i think he would know what to say because he is over weight so it might actually help that the man is over weight. You know what i mean?
RobbyPaulPerson 3 years ago
omg thats sooo unfair
melissaxfern92530 3 years ago
yes i think it's perfectly fair. fat people are fat because they eat too much and don't exercise. they can change this anytime they want. they've made a choice to be gross and obese, and like any choice there should be consequences. as you can probably tell, I'm sick of whingeing on behalf of fat people - stop whingeing, exercise, eat less and your problems will be solved. it's your fault you're obeses, change it!
brianbell 3 years ago
actually many overwight people have metabolism problems (from being given crap food as a kid) or hormone/gland problems which makes it very hard to NOT gain weight whenever they eat food, even with a normal diet. Hardly any fat person wants to be fat so i wouldnt say its by choice either.
tally24th 3 years ago
so it's just coincidendence that virtually all fat people take no exercise, sit in front of their screens all day, and eat calorific junk food? stop the excuses, stop the whingeing, just get up, get out and lose the weight!
brianbell 3 years ago
but im not fat...;p
tally24th 3 years ago
this is going to be a hard concept for you to grasp
but ITS NOT ABOUT YOU
the world doesn't revolve around you, dear
LukeWoolley 3 years ago
I know a lot of fat people who eat better and exercise more than "thin" people I know. what exactly is your opinion based on, because it obviously isn't based in any kind of factual evidence.
hoffmangirl23 3 years ago
no, you don't. If they eat well and exercised, they wouldn't be fat, doh!
lets stop making excuses for them, it's in their own best interests to lose weight - scientific fact!
brianbell 3 years ago
so in your tragically flawed worldview, how do you explain the plethora of thin people I know who eat nothing but junk and sit on their ass all day?
hoffmangirl23 3 years ago
i think you'll find that they aren't the ones which chronic health problems, the fat people are
brianbell 3 years ago
that makes no sense. if the only factors being considered are poor diet and no exercise, a thin person would be just as unhealthy as a fat person who does those things.
hoffmangirl23 3 years ago
the ability to think logically has clearly left you. with a few exceptions, the thin are thin because they don't overeat and take some exercise. the opposite for the fat.
being a normal weight isn't usually a problem, being obese always is.
anyway, i'm bored of this, goodbye, i'll let you get back to making excuses for the obese
brianbell 3 years ago
Erm, no I'm sorry.
You, sir, are an idiot.
I'm skinny (5ft 10, size 8 UK), I don't excersize full stop whatsoever, I eat nothing but junk food, I smoke and I drink too much.
I have health problems, but I'm thin.
So, you're wrong.
whatamunter 3 years ago
If they would be good parents then who cares about weight. They should be happy to have good people willing to give a good home for children that aren't even they're own.
chrishaughaboo 3 years ago
its a hard topic cause im sure they'd be fantastic parents, but if a kids adoptive father dies or is sick, you can imagine how much stress and sadness it would bring to the kid...so if theres a high chance of that happening.... =/
tally24th 3 years ago
Anyone can die at anytime of anything. We have seen time and again a very healthy person (very fit at that) drop dead. So, I honestly can't agree with that. Plus, who knows what's going on in the family tree that would play in as well. If that's the chase everyone fat or thin should go through a whole blood screen test to see if they're level's are healthy enough. You would be amazed of all the thin and so called healthy people out there that really aren't.
chrishaughaboo 3 years ago 2
But would that mean if they had a high chance of getting cancer, the same thing should be applied?
:(
paperheartzz 3 years ago
jazza mate nice video again but what happened to your face you geting spots remove them plz what have you been doing :)
Nixxon2009 3 years ago
I don't think it is entirely fair for the couple to be denied because of the husbands weight, but I do understand why they were. A person needs to be able to keep himself or herself healthy before they can care for a child. Of course, then I think of the people who mindlessly procreate and treat their kids like crap or raise them in an unhealthy environment and I'm right back on the wall again.
Smogget 3 years ago
yes. Fat parents denote poor diet and exercise. They will pass this lifestyle on to their children
LFCLibertine123 3 years ago
it said the man was fat, the woman might be healthy, and the adopted kid could end up with a family who gives them a load of other bad traits and habbits..
tally24th 3 years ago
You can get a load of bad habbits and traits regardless of weight. That really has nothing to do with it. Plus, the man was over weight. By what a pound or two. This subject is taken to far sometimes.
chrishaughaboo 3 years ago
the woman is also fat just not as obese as he is. It was a featured story on my local news.
LFCLibertine123 3 years ago
u fukken ugly fukken cunt if ugly was a gender, u would b that.
fukken owned u fukken failure of a life.
Gorilla199abuser 3 years ago
do you have almost 8000 subscribers and rated number 1 youtube reporter ever? no?
then fuck off
Qw3rtypop 3 years ago
Gorilla199abuser, your eloquence astounds me.
Smogget 3 years ago
I know its not nice to turn down the couple but the mans weight is quite a big factor as he may have long term health problems and he needs to look after the baby.
SirGloves 3 years ago
i think that its completely unfair because its like saying if your boilogical parents which you had stayed with and lived with, if they got fat they could take the child away, this is a ludacrus thing that the council have turned down.
Charlie .
CanonPhotos 3 years ago
I think that it is a totally fair decision. Not only could the adopted child possibly have to deal with this man's health problems, people often adopt the habits and lifestyles of those who raise them. These people could possibly pass on unhealthy eating habits to the child that they adopt.
madeleinelovespandas 3 years ago
At first I was like "OMG that's wrong and not fair." But if you think about it, it makes a ton of sense. The adoption parents need to be there for their adopted kids, and their "real" kids so they should not have health risks. The lady is right in what she did.
ThatOneKatyGirl 3 years ago
What matters most is how good the people are. I doubt the people of the council would have even bothered to tell the man to lose weight or lose the chance to adopt if he wasn't a good person who could adopt a child through them should the weight problem be resolved. I, however, have to agree with the councils decision, but not for the reason most of you do. Children going through adoption have gone through some tough stuff, they don't need to see a morbidly obese parent die from...
weirdlikeus 3 years ago
complications because of their weight.
If an obese person does become a parent, there children have the possibility of becoming obese themselves. Whether this is a predisposition to food addictions, or because of the lifestyle, remains to be seen with each person, but you all aren't wrong in saying that this could happen to a child who is adopted, just as much as it could happen to a child who is born of these parents, but I'm saying I'd be more worried of the person dying if I were on...
weirdlikeus 3 years ago
the council that made this decision.
weirdlikeus 3 years ago
I kind of agree, because if a smoker is turned down for not being able to adopt a child then, its obvious to see why, you don't want the child to be influenced into smoking or become ill my passive smoking.
A for a 'fat' person to be turned down it first seems harsh. But its like-ly that the adopted child will become over weight as well, which can easy lead to health risks as well.
-Charlotte.
simplycharlotteee 3 years ago
You gave his weight in stone for the English & lbs for the US but left out us poor Aussies by not giving it in kilos :(
I think it's fair that he was turned down because of his weight. Parents who adopt will probably have to take care of their charges for up to 10 or 15 years so long-term health is important. Also, I think to get to that weight without any medical reason it's a sign that he's built a poor mechanism for coping with the stresses of life, much the same as smoking or drinking.
Scyllissia 3 years ago
because... no-one ever thinks of australians D:
MWHAHAHA! i thought it was the same here for aussies?
i agree... possibly te kid might get a bad influance (diet wise).
May seem a bit extreme, but it makes alot of sense, they probably weren't judging the guy on his personality though, which is a bit unfair.....
Won't the y feel shite if that kid goes to a home worse off than the two original people? hehe!
hazeldine016 3 years ago
haalooo
sourfraser 3 years ago
If the man is morbedly obesse then there is a much higher chance that he could die younger which would put the kids under more stress.
devlin1991 3 years ago
im sure that the child would be better off with the "fat" parent than the ones before or being in foster care.
CaptainWilhelm 3 years ago
i think it's fair.
not only would the father have health problems, but he wouldn't be able to play with his child as easily and it's very likely that the child would take on their father's eating habits. the father's obesity is setting a bad example for the child. and obese people are often more likely to become depressed, which would have harmful effects on the child
ahhhumbug 3 years ago
this is a hard one...but obese people have their own children all the time. it matters most how good a parent they are and how much they love their child. it would be nice for him to lose weight and live longer to support his child but they didn't have to turn them down. they could have just spoken with them about this. or not. whatever. i think it's wrong.
pinkybrainy93 3 years ago
I think it's fair, if he was simply overweight, it might be discrimination... but obesity-if not due to a health issue-is a matter of a bad lifestyle (lack of exercise or actual diet) which would be detrimental to any adopted child; who will most likely learn the habits and beliefs of their adoptive parents.
Smokers, drug users with a history of relapse and criminals are also people I wouldn't recommend for the same reasons above.
paperheartzz 3 years ago 2
If smokers, alcoholics and other people like them also were denied the right to adopt then fine but otherwise that looks like a lawsuit waiting to happen
unasman 3 years ago
it's still discrimination even though it 'makes sense'
AECSRQ 3 years ago
Cuts the risk of cancer? Sorted!
BrainSpecialist 3 years ago
As horrible as it sounds, it is a good point. Also, the child may be more likely to become unheathily obese in that environment. That being said, if that is the only thing wrong with this couple I don't think it's enough to not allow them to adopt. I don't know much about adoption, but I'm sure most children who are alone in the world would prefer a loving home with an overweight parent to no home at all.
Also I'm not surprised that the masturbation thing is guys only. Figures.
MegTao 3 years ago
so let's just tell fat people they're not allowed to have sex.
and people who smoke.
and drink.
and are too poor.
or have bad backgrounds.
there are literally millions of homes that a child could go to that would be worse than that of a fat man.
pinkybob 3 years ago 2
so are going to start putting limitations on birth parents? oh you're too fat, you can't have a child, even though you're perfectly able to. Some families are genetically predisposed to being overweight. While they may be high-risk for other diseases, some overweight people are very healthy compared to some. I mean people who exercise (generally, too much) can die of heart attacks and have more serious health problems than the overweight... I believe this is going to lead to eugenics.
Ginger1022 3 years ago
Jesus Christ, you're an idiot. Its this simple - would you give a child to a cancer patient? No. Because they have are highly likely to fall ill and die.
So would you give a child to someone who has a substantial risk that they may catch cancer? NO. BECAUSE THEY ARE LIKELY TO FALL ILL AND DIE.
Sorted.
BrainSpecialist 3 years ago
I'm not an idiot. I didn't say give the kids to the cancer patient... However I find this a very touchy subject. I'm not saying let terminally ill cancer patients to adopt, but does anyone know the future? No, not really, people can make educated predictions. My uncle and aunt adopted a boy when he was 18 months. Both were perfectly healthy. However my uncle had been a smoker when he was young and 11 years later when my adopted cousin was 12 died of esophageal cancer. My cousin turned out fine!
Ginger1022 3 years ago
I think the council has actually been quite fair because the man is at risk of diseases etc. and thats kind of unfair on the kid, but also he doesn't give out a very good message about caring for your body and living healthily. It's another aspect of lifestyle such as booze that needs to be taken into account.
And to be fair they aren't asking him to be average weight, a BMI of 40 is still quite high.
elphabaforever 3 years ago
oh. its such a shame. :(
katethegeek 3 years ago
I had a very similar response to you. At first I was like omg wtf!!! But having thought about it (and listened to you obvs) I'm with you. Not only is there the issue of the potential father's health, you have to think what kind of example he's setting for the child.
jillog 3 years ago
and as for discriminating against europe, that is in no way true as i am from england, isnt it obvious he is only using what measurements he comfortable with?
cravenator360 3 years ago
haha, thankyou for defending me but no need, the vast majority of feedback I get is good, and i like irrational hate comments anyways, i find them funny. :)
but thankyou
:)
rhymingwithoranges 3 years ago
why does everone hate this guy? he is only putting his views across to everyone and letting us discus them! he's trying to open our minds to obscure topics so we can dicide upon the answers! Go rhymingwithoranges!
cravenator360 3 years ago
Yeah, thanks for translating in pounds, but do you people even recognise that the almost whole world uses the metric system. So thanks for translating it into another unit I don't understand. What I want to say: stop discriminating against Europe by using weird things like pounds or stone...
Anyway... I think they should be allowed to adopt. If fat people can make children without having them taken away from them because of health risks, why shouldn't they be allowed to adopt?
thesummer06 3 years ago
I am sorry but the majority of people who watch me are either from the US or the UK, I did not mean to discriminate. it is about 155 1/2 kilos
rhymingwithoranges 3 years ago
Thank God there is Google to clear things up for me. I just meant that if you do make the effort to convert the measuring units, why don't convert in kg, too. :)
thesummer06 3 years ago
Thanks for translating UK vs US weight measurements appreciate it. yes it is discrimating but the sad fact is if anyone tries to adopt a child the agency you apply to is going to judge you not only on your merits but also on their own personal prejudices and opinion on how one looks. i could told you that masterbating would help lessen risk of cancer :) My you covered a wide range of topics in this video.
ticket2 3 years ago
i don't think it should be that much of a concern, but, children are highly influenced by their parents (obviously) and if they don't lead a healthy lifestyle then not only could the father have numerous health problems but he would also be influencing the child in such a way, that he or she could face obesity later in their life because of unhealthy eating habits. :)
candyandapples 3 years ago
your vids are always very informative and even polemic...keep it up!
fremmedgorelse 3 years ago
nice use of the word polemic, havn't seen it in a while
:)
rhymingwithoranges 3 years ago
I'm now proud of my english knowledge! thanks lad! will keep...ehmmm...increasing my vocabulary!
fremmedgorelse 3 years ago
Being an 18 year old who is adopted, I think this is appalling. My adoptive mom is overweight and my adoptive dad is average. Their weight did not influence how I was raised. Same for my best friend who is also adopted, her father is obese. Our parents are able to provide for us, which is what birth mothers are looking for.
If people are being turned down for being overweight, then people with a BMI of 18.5 or less should be too since they are underweight and can develop health problems also
samiam6109 3 years ago
really interesting perspective thankyou. and a very good point about underweight people too.
rhymingwithoranges 3 years ago
i think that that the spokeswoman has a point because if the man is adopting a kid then there's a chance that the kid would be hyperactive because they wud obviously be excited about going to a new home and adjusting to their surroundings so that wud be abit too much for the man to cope, possibly giving him a chance of a heart attack so yh i think that he wud need to loose weight n start a healthier lifestyle in order to adjust with having a kid around the house. Great video btw XD i love it! xx
PandaBoo92 3 years ago
so if he was below 40bmi before adoptions and gained weight to over 40bmi a few years after, they would take the child away from them?
The world is full of fat biological parents. I suppose we should start taking children away from them because that person could become develop health issues because of weight. Why stop there. Take children away from anyone who develops cancer, diabetes, heart disease, etc.
How easy is it to find adoptive parents for at risk children in the first place?
IcyKitty 3 years ago
Of course there´s lot´s to take in consideration bit I still feel like they should be able to adopt.
LostWithin 3 years ago
Ya no way that couple needs to sort themselves out before bringing a child into the mix :P
Uberjetsu 3 years ago
i completely agree with you, when you first said that the couple were turned down, i thought about it for a while and thought that the parents wouldn't be able to do certain things with the child. so i do think that people shouldn't be obese if they want to adopt.
andd. i dont think that heathrow should do that new runway, i heard they have to get rid of quite alot of houses if they want to build it
lucysaysrelax 3 years ago
Yes - obesity is on the rise in UK (especially among younger people), and children with obese parents are far more likely to eat unhealthily.
It could seriously effect how healthy they grow up to be.
jennyisradd 3 years ago
LOL REALLY?!?!!?!?! WOW X
GORDONCAMPBELL 3 years ago
i agree with that bmi should be taken into account in extreme circumstances. it is for the same exact reason that smoking and drinking problems are taken into account-- the health issues. this may seem like a stretch considering the others have risks of second hand smoked and altered behavior, being raised by someone of that... magnitude could press an unappreciated responsibility upon a child to care for someone who, after a certain point, possiby wont be able to work or care for themselves.
woaitsliz 3 years ago
well... they addopt, fathers blood pressure goes up, he dies from a heart attack. kids are left with 1 parent, mother is facked, kids are facked...
Jonnymac115 3 years ago
Whaat?
That's ridiculous. Being large doesn't make you a bad parent.
CerealKillerAshh 3 years ago
I agree with Jazza. It's sad but the issue is a valid one. Have fun in Sheffield.
missdivinestalls 3 years ago
Hmm....
Well. I would be concerned that whoever is doing the food preperation for the man, will also be doing the food preperation for the child. It would not be good for a child to get overweight.
Mind you - we don't take children away from their own parents because the parents are obese. So... swings and roundabouts really.
I live quite a long way from Heathrow... so I'm not too fussed.
JoelJoel321 3 years ago
i think the issue isnt just health problems he could face, but the amount of enery he would need to look after a young child, which he most likely wouldnt have.
makalaka15 3 years ago
Although I understand that his BMI classifies him as morbidly obess, there are factors that could be contributing to his obesity. Things such as genetics, thyroid problems, height and other such things could be contributing. If someone would make a good parent, they should be able to adopt a child. Even if something were to happen to the man, there is still his wife to take care of the child. Many children today are being raised in single parent households. The child won't receive any less love.
PrincessMeg1328 3 years ago
11.8% of children are being brought up in single parent families - that is a high percent but a lower percentage than what you would expect.
EdboxLive 3 years ago
To me, it looks like there are a lot of single parent households because I live in an area with a high population of them. Children should be able to live with a good family if that family can provide for them. The only problem in this situation is the man. Assuming the woman is in good health, I don't see why the child cannot be placed there. The man is only potentially at risk for anything. Why prevent a child from being placed in a good home because something could happen?
PrincessMeg1328 3 years ago
While I understand the reasoning for turning this couple down, it is a direct effect of the highly exacerbated stigma over the potential health conditions of overweight people. My opinion is if they truly want to make weight such a factor in adoption process, they should study the man's previous medical files to see if he has any other indications that any of these health problems could happen in the foreseeable future, because every person is subject to many other factors than just being fat.
thatlunagirl 3 years ago
theres good points for both sides..
withallmylove999 3 years ago
I tried posting a video response;.. but it's not showing up... :-s
BrettLikesCows 3 years ago
Well I don't know for the uk but in singapore, no matter what hidden abusive history the parents have with the child, the child is by law, obliged to take care of their parents. So if people start adopting just for kids to take care of them in the future then that's gonna be a problem. Plus his case is extreme obesity. That's like comparing an alcoholic father would be bad. But parents who drink aren't.
laughsteph 3 years ago
Alright Ryming, I think that Obesity is going to become (excuse the pun) a huge thing over the next few years. We are taxed massively for other things that harm us such as Cigarettes and alcohol, they are a risk to us and send us to an early grave, though unhealthy food and a lack of exercise aren't penalized in this way at all. Maybe this is a good start. Maybe we should be charged by overall weight when we go on airoplanes. Hmmm now there's the danger I'm sounding a bit like Hitler. Not good.
johnoverity 3 years ago
hitler no, but maybe a bit extreme, yes. :)
very good point that we are taxed on things like smokes and booze, why not crappy food? Nice to see you taking part in my discussiony thingys, it makes me happy
^_^
rhymingwithoranges 3 years ago
why should he be given the responsibility to look after a child if he can't even look after himself?
Baidun 3 years ago
So all children who are born to over weight parents should be removed and put into care?
Or is that some how different?
I'm afraid everybody goes "through the shit",if its in a loving family then all the better.
Q3ToPBuZz 3 years ago
haha "BUT WHYYY I HEAR YOU CRY" <3
that is so so so bad. just because he is large does not mean that the child is going to become large as well!
And yeah.. but this guy knows about child's problems.. and to be honest, im sure he could look after himself- its not up the child.
this is a tough one.. x
BethOnTop 3 years ago
i know, ive gon eback to being on the fence here... so tough.
missed you today
:(
rhymingwithoranges 3 years ago
i know.. i was gutted when I found out you were going, and I wasn't.
Hmm. I was thinking about this again, and thought that the guy should be able to take care of himself. BUT if he got fat due to not taking care of himself, then it's not right.. But if this man puts on weight because of his BMI (or whatever it is..) then it's not fair..
x
BethOnTop 3 years ago
And, about Heathrow, if you don't want the runway, go buy a couple blades of grass from Greenpeace's Airplot campaign.
:]
soradsauce 3 years ago
I'm not really sure about where I stand on the issue. While the fact that the man could literally keel over from a heart attack and traumatize the young'un, I feel like the biggest problem [in my eyes] would be that he wouldn't be teaching the child a healthy lifestyle. [And, don't go and attack me for that. And I realize that biological parents do the same thing.] But, because of that aside, I don't think it's the agency's place to say "No, you're too fat to have a child."
soradsauce 3 years ago
to be honest anyone could get hit by a bus tomorrow and end up dead (not a pessimist i swear!) and it wouldnt deminish their capacity to parent! i dont understand why this man is being discriminated against if he has enough wants to be a parent and help a child who has been through tough times then being fat shouldnt stop him
shadowwatcher93 3 years ago
I think it's discrimination. I understand their point, with the higher BMI, but some people are born with bad metabolisms- genetically programmed to be overweight. Overweight people don't always have health problems, either- my dad was roughly that weight for the majority of my childhood, and I can't imagine a better father.
suru7 3 years ago
its wierd i had forgotten i subscribed to you,
i put all my sub vids in a playlist and this came up and i was like oh yeh that funny guy
YEY!
columthealmighty 3 years ago