How sad that Cranmer like most (though not all) of the English clergy of his time chose schism over obedience. But despite Cranmer's apostasy, his work in the prayer book is a legitimate part of the Catholic heritage.
Lauwai4, Cranmer was a brilliant liturgist. As a life-long Catholic I freely acknowledge it. Cranmer was of course a Catholic priest, and he based his work in the Prayer Book on the centuries-old Gregorian Mass and numerous other established prayers. For example, Evensong is an adaptation, a repackaging, of the pre-existing liturgy of the hours, not a novel devotion.
Quick! Somebody call the cops. The RCs have stolen one of the great treasures of the Anglican Church and the English language, the Book of Common Prayer. Do they have NO shame?
What I have noticed is that in the Anglican Use and Sarum Rites that the priest wears a cope for the Mass of the Catechumens and puts on the chasuble for the Mass of the Faithful. Or is this just for the Requiem Mass?
@king052206 no such thing as "being biblical" in the way you mean. 2000 years separate us from them & we have neither the historical, cultural or linguistic context, let alone the actual means which to enter into their world. there's nothing more or less biblical about high mass compared to an evangelical service or an orthodox divine liturgy or a presbyterian church service. they are all derived human traditions. it's what's in the heart that counts in the end. worship just helps us get there.
Hillary Clinton is the eldest of three and has two YOUNGER brothers. I think this is the reason why she is so powerful. We need more Hillarys and (Meryl Streeps, who is of the same birth order) don't you think? So if your first child happens to be a girl, and your second child a boy, then have a third child. Hopefully he is a boy.
So this is an Anglican Mass correct? Very nice! How wonderful you have such a tradition that I'm sure wasn't changed...thank goodness Pope Benedict wants the Latin Mass for us Roman rites..Pax vobiscum!
@PfaelzerOrganist This is a Roman Catholic rite designed for the reincorporation of Anglicans and for those Anglicans that wish to be under the Bishop of Rome in the same way that Oriental and Maronite rites allow Eastern Catholics to be under the Bishop of ROme.....
Well yes: Anglicanism has its roots in Roman (as opposed to, say, Byzantine) Catholicism. Although there are numerous Eastern rite branches within the Catholic Church, I believe "Anglican Use" is the first instance of a subrite within the Latin, or Western branch.
@clarinet001 This is a Roman Catholic rite designed for the reincorporation of Anglicans and for those Anglicans that wish to be under the Bishop of Rome in the same way that Oriental and Maronite rites allow Eastern Catholics to be under the Bishop of ROme.....
For the idiots that think that the Traditional Latin Mass (Tridentine) is the only real/original/oldest Mass in the Roman Catholic Church...I have two words for you: SARUM RITE!
@cantori2 correct! but to be more accurate, we have the Gallican Rite and Celtic Rite.
Sarum Rite is the combination of French Gallican Rites and Irish Celtic Rites which was established by St. Osmund, bishop of Salisbury, in the 11th Century. Sarum Rite is also known as Salisbury Use.
@cantori2 The SARUM RITE; The Ambrosian, The Mezoarabic and so many more rite exist within the Roman Rite. Those who have tried to paint the church monolithic are proven flawed in their attempt; yet where officiated properly every mass is a miracle!
@cantori2 The SARUM RITE; The Ambrosian, The Mezoarabic and so many more rites exist within the Roman Rite. Those who have tried to paint the church monolithic are proven flawed in their attempt; yet where officiated properly every mass is a miracle!
Sounds more 1928 BCP than any Liber Usualis I know of.....
And while everybody was silently seething over the Bishop of New Hampshire, not to mention every female cleric alive, there probably wasn't a straight man on the predella.
Although the ceremony is impressive, the implicit anger behind it is sadly Christless.
If any man sin, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous; and he is the perfect offering for our sins, and not for ours only, but for the sins of the whole world. (1 Jn 2:1-2)
God so loved the world, that he gave his only-begotten Son, to the end that all that believe in him should not perish but have everlasting life. (Jn 3:16)
This is a true saying, and worthy of all men to be received, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners. (1 Tim 1:15)
May Almighty God, our heavenly Father, who of his great mercy hath promised forgiveness of sins to all those who with hearty repentance and true faith turn to him, have mercy upon us, pardon and deliver us from all our sins, confirm and strengthen us in all goodness, and bring us to everlasting life; through Jesus Christ our Lord. R. Amen.
We do earnestly repent, and are heartily sorry for these our misdoings; the remebrance of them is greivous unto us, the burden of them is intolerable. Have mercy upon us, have mercy upon us, most merciful Father; for thy Son our Lord Jesus Christ's sake, forgive us all that is past; and grant that we may ever hereafter serve and please thee in newness of life, to the honor and glory of thy Name; through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.
Almighty God, Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, maker of all things, judge of all men: We acknowledge and bewail our manifold sins and wickedness, which we from time to time most grievously have committed, by thought, word, and deed, against thy divine Majesty, provoking most justly thy wrath and indignation against us.
Ye who do truly and earnestly repent you of your sins, and are in love and charity with your neighbors, and intend to lead a new life, following the commandments of God, and walking from enceforth in his holy ways: Draw near with faith, and make your humble confession to Almighty God, devoutly kneeling.
Ya Papist bastards have never been anything but traitorous, from Gunpowder plot to Casement. Taking orders from Rome and bred to grass.
lauwai4life 5 months ago
no cramner based histranslation on the BCP and the Book of Divine worship is essentially that with some modifications
vivascargill1 6 months ago
How sad that Cranmer like most (though not all) of the English clergy of his time chose schism over obedience. But despite Cranmer's apostasy, his work in the prayer book is a legitimate part of the Catholic heritage.
TheAtonementAcademy 10 months ago
Lauwai4, Cranmer was a brilliant liturgist. As a life-long Catholic I freely acknowledge it. Cranmer was of course a Catholic priest, and he based his work in the Prayer Book on the centuries-old Gregorian Mass and numerous other established prayers. For example, Evensong is an adaptation, a repackaging, of the pre-existing liturgy of the hours, not a novel devotion.
TheAtonementAcademy 10 months ago
Quick! Somebody call the cops. The RCs have stolen one of the great treasures of the Anglican Church and the English language, the Book of Common Prayer. Do they have NO shame?
lauwai4life 10 months ago
@lauwai4life I'm sorry, I do not understand if this is sober or satirical.
Monessenite 5 months ago
What I have noticed is that in the Anglican Use and Sarum Rites that the priest wears a cope for the Mass of the Catechumens and puts on the chasuble for the Mass of the Faithful. Or is this just for the Requiem Mass?
CatholicTraditional 1 year ago
ask bro eli soriano if this is biblical.
livestream (dot) com / elisoriano its live every wednesday 8pm EST you can ask him live!
and in his twitter twitter (dot) com / broelisoriano mcgi (dot) org
king052206 1 year ago
@king052206 uy bakit ka napadpad dito? Catolico ito hindi 'to Dating Daan. Bumalik ka nalang sa babaylang Sorianong iyan!
luvpinas123 1 year ago
@king052206 no such thing as "being biblical" in the way you mean. 2000 years separate us from them & we have neither the historical, cultural or linguistic context, let alone the actual means which to enter into their world. there's nothing more or less biblical about high mass compared to an evangelical service or an orthodox divine liturgy or a presbyterian church service. they are all derived human traditions. it's what's in the heart that counts in the end. worship just helps us get there.
duprie37 11 months ago
The servers here are all well trained, and i see NO female servers!
TrainmasterCurt 1 year ago
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Hillary Clinton is the eldest of three and has two YOUNGER brothers. I think this is the reason why she is so powerful. We need more Hillarys and (Meryl Streeps, who is of the same birth order) don't you think? So if your first child happens to be a girl, and your second child a boy, then have a third child. Hopefully he is a boy.
DoWhaJo 2 years ago
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easychoice4u 2 years ago
So this is an Anglican Mass correct? Very nice! How wonderful you have such a tradition that I'm sure wasn't changed...thank goodness Pope Benedict wants the Latin Mass for us Roman rites..Pax vobiscum!
clarinet001 3 years ago
Actually the Anglican Use is an offshoot or subset of the Roman Rite.
americanromancatholi 2 years ago 4
It´s also very close to the Lutheran Mass in its high form.
PfaelzerOrganist 2 years ago
@PfaelzerOrganist This is a Roman Catholic rite designed for the reincorporation of Anglicans and for those Anglicans that wish to be under the Bishop of Rome in the same way that Oriental and Maronite rites allow Eastern Catholics to be under the Bishop of ROme.....
CommieThreat 1 year ago
@PfaelzerOrganist Lutheran=YUCK!
Peugeot908HDIFAP 1 year ago
@Peugeot908HDIFAP
Maybe you don´t really know Lutheran Church and tradition - look to Scandinavia!
PfaelzerOrganist 1 year ago
@PfaelzerOrganist I know plenty about the Lutheran Church. Enough to stay as far from it as I can.
Peugeot908HDIFAP 1 year ago
Well yes: Anglicanism has its roots in Roman (as opposed to, say, Byzantine) Catholicism. Although there are numerous Eastern rite branches within the Catholic Church, I believe "Anglican Use" is the first instance of a subrite within the Latin, or Western branch.
JLFAN2009 2 years ago 2
@clarinet001 This is a Roman Catholic rite designed for the reincorporation of Anglicans and for those Anglicans that wish to be under the Bishop of Rome in the same way that Oriental and Maronite rites allow Eastern Catholics to be under the Bishop of ROme.....
CommieThreat 1 year ago
For the idiots that think that the Traditional Latin Mass (Tridentine) is the only real/original/oldest Mass in the Roman Catholic Church...I have two words for you: SARUM RITE!
cantori2 3 years ago 12
Shhhhhh! Don't let them know that they're not the only ones that are getting into heaven!
choirboyfromhell1 2 years ago 2
@cantori2 correct! but to be more accurate, we have the Gallican Rite and Celtic Rite.
Sarum Rite is the combination of French Gallican Rites and Irish Celtic Rites which was established by St. Osmund, bishop of Salisbury, in the 11th Century. Sarum Rite is also known as Salisbury Use.
luvpinas123 1 year ago
@cantori2 The SARUM RITE; The Ambrosian, The Mezoarabic and so many more rite exist within the Roman Rite. Those who have tried to paint the church monolithic are proven flawed in their attempt; yet where officiated properly every mass is a miracle!
Welcome!
Hkepfer 1 year ago
@cantori2 The SARUM RITE; The Ambrosian, The Mezoarabic and so many more rites exist within the Roman Rite. Those who have tried to paint the church monolithic are proven flawed in their attempt; yet where officiated properly every mass is a miracle!
Welcome!
Hkepfer 1 year ago
Sounds more 1928 BCP than any Liber Usualis I know of.....
And while everybody was silently seething over the Bishop of New Hampshire, not to mention every female cleric alive, there probably wasn't a straight man on the predella.
Although the ceremony is impressive, the implicit anger behind it is sadly Christless.
Dundee did sound impressive however.
choirboyfromhell1 3 years ago
Twaddle.
yardgoods 2 years ago
Tweedledum.
choirboyfromhell1 2 years ago
If any man sin, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous; and he is the perfect offering for our sins, and not for ours only, but for the sins of the whole world. (1 Jn 2:1-2)
The Celebrant says,
The peace of the Lord be always with you.
R. And with thy spirit.
petermottola 3 years ago
The Celebrant then say:
Hear the Word of God to all who truly turn to him.
Come unto me, all ye that travail and are heavy laden, and I will
refresh you. (Mt 11:28)
God so loved the world, that he gave his only-begotten Son, to the end that all that believe in him should not perish but have everlasting life. (Jn 3:16)
This is a true saying, and worthy of all men to be received, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners. (1 Tim 1:15)
petermottola 3 years ago
The Celebrant says,
May Almighty God, our heavenly Father, who of his great mercy hath promised forgiveness of sins to all those who with hearty repentance and true faith turn to him, have mercy upon us, pardon and deliver us from all our sins, confirm and strengthen us in all goodness, and bring us to everlasting life; through Jesus Christ our Lord. R. Amen.
petermottola 3 years ago
We do earnestly repent, and are heartily sorry for these our misdoings; the remebrance of them is greivous unto us, the burden of them is intolerable. Have mercy upon us, have mercy upon us, most merciful Father; for thy Son our Lord Jesus Christ's sake, forgive us all that is past; and grant that we may ever hereafter serve and please thee in newness of life, to the honor and glory of thy Name; through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.
petermottola 3 years ago
All join in saying,
Almighty God, Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, maker of all things, judge of all men: We acknowledge and bewail our manifold sins and wickedness, which we from time to time most grievously have committed, by thought, word, and deed, against thy divine Majesty, provoking most justly thy wrath and indignation against us.
petermottola 3 years ago
The Celebrant or Deacon says,
Ye who do truly and earnestly repent you of your sins, and are in love and charity with your neighbors, and intend to lead a new life, following the commandments of God, and walking from enceforth in his holy ways: Draw near with faith, and make your humble confession to Almighty God, devoutly kneeling.
petermottola 3 years ago
Why you confused catholics? you have a very nice "anglican" service..why don't you keep your "anglicanism"?
MXRRA 3 years ago
What a fantastic Schola!
Jhcnewman 3 years ago