Ferrari F430 Spider F1 vs Porsche 911 Turbo 996 Cargraphic = GTBoard

[Supcharged]

try the 996 gt2

[mrbeadfory56]

impossible!! i mean the spider is havier than the coupe and yet the turbo is still slower??? i think theres a fat guy inside the 911

[Pokemonmasterrules]

I have had both of these cars and the porche is great but I think anyone would rather be sitting in the Ferrari.

[unclepic1]

I love how it is so impossible for Porsche fans to admit the Ferrari won, yet if us Ferrari guys ever say one excuse we are fucking pounced on YouTube is the battle ground for automotive fans and Ferrari just won a battle!

[Dataacid]

@unclepic1 ok ferrari won once but if you go look at all the competitions porsches are way ahead of nearly every car maker. not for raw power or handling or speed in general, but porsches just go and never stop that's what i love about it.

ferrari is a more exotic car, mainly for showoff, still racing capabilities are high.

[unclepic1]

@Dataacid one once theyd win this race 9 times out of 10!

[BobyCasasola87]

ferrari cars have such a boring engine sound

[jeffg24LT21]

:37

we have liftoff

[ranjansportdrive]

THe shifts in ferrari are awesome

[TheMrsorso]

The 911 was the old model so it has 70 BHP less

[MrKinghit]

How about this, the possibility that both ferrari & porsche make great cars!!. The never ending bitching about ferrari is shit or porsche is shit, merc shit are comments made by one of two types of posters 1) little kids or 2) losers who have never owned anything better than a hyundai, believe that

[OmGhostable]

ferrari got old like a couple of years ago since then no one cares for it anymore..

[xXdrink]

hört mal bei der beschleunigung auf den porsche der fahren hört kurz auf gas zugeben aber der ferrari fahrer gibt voll gas

[germany8647]

F E R R A R I IS N.1!

MADE IN ITALY better made in germany!!

porsche is stupid old car!!!

[germany8647]

made in italy F E R R A R I n. 1 LAMBORGHINI n.2 maserati n.3!!!!! mercedes n.4 ecc..

Porsche stupid germany old car!!!!!

[germany8647]

ferrari dream car!!!!!

[mommieslildigger]

guys cmon porsche is way better srsly it was a bad start put the concept porsche in that race and we kick ferraries butt, i will admit the ferrari is a super awsome car and i love it im just saying porsche is faster

[MCSFAST]

THE CAR IS GOOD BUT THE PILOT IS VERY BAD THE PORSCHE IS A GOOD CAR VERY GOOD

[germany8647]

ferrari winning!!!!

ferrari is n.1!!

porsche sucks

[error1000and1]

@germany8647 berlusconi winning!!!!

berlusconi is n.1!!

democracy sucks

[germany8647]

ferrari is ferrari!!!! made in italy!!

porsche stupid car!!!!

[SuperPorsche1991]

@germany8647

Porsche is Porsche!!!! made in Germany

Ferrari stupid car!!!

[dicktp]

you can see he is falling behind at shifting...

[DernerAssaur]

Ferrari powa:)

[adokenk3nnbasil]

Ferrari way faster and kooler

[vyvynyl]

ah cmon the ferarri had better start but if they started same speed and moment the 911 would have won just like the gt2

[Ty2052]

wow tight

[eagb19971997]

it was guna hapen

[TheRiverman85]

430's dinner...:D

[tipo24v]

i've driven a 966 turbo and they are bloody fast.drove a ferrari 430 on the same day not the same vicious acceleration.

[blackknight3830]

63 jax You forgot Pagani my friend!!

[63Jax]

Anyway Fezza and Porca are the titans of all supercars all others are just minions.

[weseyedwalk]

I love listening to these die hard Porsche loyalists cry jump start by the Ferrari driver, did anyone see this video?the Porsche was out front at first, how did the Ferrari jump? I love German cars to guys but come on, lets be real, The Ferrari let him get ahead and then pulled on the Porsche clean and fair. Beside German engineering is excellent but whether you talking about Ferrari or Ducati, Italians make the best valve train in the world. Why do you think Toyota tried to copy it with VVTI

[GT3LM]

@weseyedwalk Think you'll find that the 430 accelerated far before the cones hence got a huge lead at the start. Open your eyes.

[MrNutterBalls]

PLEASE can someone tell me what the difference between the regular f430 and an f1 f430 is? i can't figure it out!

[GT3LM]

@MrNutterBalls F1 F430? No such thing.

- Ferrari F430 (standard model)

- Ferrari F430 w/F1 transmission (not manual gears)

- Ferrari 430 Scuderia (road/motorsport version)

You may be thinking of the F430 that has the F1 transmission rather than the manual transmission.

[Lebowski83]

Maybe the Ferrari won this time. But the italian Ferrari and Lambo Shit cant be compared with the high class german workmanship of Porsche 911

[AudiV8Power]

@Lebowski83

Woow. Not that much knowledge here. Lamborghini is owned by Audi AG and engines and such are developed by Audi AG too. So a lambo is more german than italian I'd say.

And to the race ;P Some bad ass sound on the ferrari :)

[morikante007]

Ferrari wins as usual...))

[gamotousKolalbanous]

a greek will shot ferrari to win the race

[122113314747]

porsche is faster in the reality what the hell is wrong with this video?

[badassxr50r]

@122113314747 Ferrari jumped the start. Even if the Ferrari was faster, I would still take a 911 over it any day... :)

[HaloHamstur]

they both look like bad drivers but the porsche driver was awful

[stupidlambo]

no its just the fact that m5 board is incredibly biased and fake. its by far the most eurocentric car channel on youtube

[cOLDaSiZe]

The 996 Turbo sucks... take a 997 Turbo and that "black horse" would look like a uncoloured drunken donkey!

[ghostbuster4]

i wanna know something.. whay is that always spanish people coment in spanish?? you really think that everyone can speak it also? I meen, is it so hard for you to speak ENGLISH, or is it a principal thing??? please give me honest answers. tnx

[LordMaxJa]

Mexicans....they're everywhere! I feel you brother I feel you... ;)

[laxer27]

two advantages that helped the ferrari in this video, 1) they never had a "real" start, they both started and then the ferrari just went, it looked like it was supposed to be a rolling start but that was a bad rolling start. 2) The ferrari is an automatic paddle shifter, where as the Porsche is true manual so the Ferrari shifts faster, so driver error comes into play with the porsche. It is also hard to say that they were both pedal to the metal if they are weekend drivers

[carl206rc]

@laxer27 I think the porsche was slower because of turbo lag

[ZeroSuitSniper]

FIRST!!!!! :D:D:D

[keypro88]

Must not have had the X50 pkg. The 997 will out perform the 430 any day.

[HASSDICH62]

911 is faster

bad drive

put a german behind the wheel he started of wrong anyway

[m5boarddotcom]

A Swede will do just fine :)

[TheWhyness]

@m5boarddotcom and an American redneck better than both.

[ilove9ff]

@m5boarddotcom I LOVE SWEEDEN AND I LOVE THE KOENIGSEGG , IT IS MY FAVORITE CAR

[Aerosmithfan507]

@HASSDICH62 um, actually.... i own both of em, and the 430 spider is faster

[HASSDICH62]

@Aerosmithfan507 um Actually u cant drive

[Aerosmithfan507]

@HASSDICH62 lol- how'd ya know!? lmao- my parents do! - your the first person ever to know that! niiice! xD

[HASSDICH62]

@Aerosmithfan507 i know im german remember

tell your parents thanks for supporting the german technology which makes us rich

[Aerosmithfan507]

@HASSDICH62 no problem! Thanks for the awesome cars!!!

[HASSDICH62]

@Aerosmithfan507 you more than welcome just keep up with the monthly payment hahahaha

[Aerosmithfan507]

@HASSDICH62 - i will let my parents deal with that- lol

[HASSDICH62]

@Aerosmithfan507 thats what i thought lol

get a job babyboy

[Aerosmithfan507]

@HASSDICH62 im 14- i already have a job

[HASSDICH62]

@Aerosmithfan507 ya suckin dicks hahahaha

[Aerosmithfan507]

@HASSDICH62 perv. and NO! i work at an electronics store!

[ryider]

@Aerosmithfan507 no its not at an electronics store, its sucking dicks

[Aerosmithfan507]

@ryider what is?

[ryider]

@Aerosmithfan507 your job

[Aerosmithfan507]

@ryider no, its not. I would never do that. You would do it for fun.

[ryider]

@Aerosmithfan507 yes it is, me and HASSDICH62 both agree, your job is to suck dicks

[Aerosmithfan507]

@ryider no, and as i said before, you do it for fun

[ryider]

@HASSDICH62 his job is to suck dicks right? bahahaha so ne schwuchtel

[metaldrumman]

@HASSDICH62 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! 911 WHAAAT!??!?!?! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHA!!! OMG... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! YOU ARE HILARIOUS MAN!! ^^ HAUHUAHUAHUA!!!!!!!

[1958GIBSONXPLORER]

@HASSDICH62 yessssss

[camirocz]

@HASSDICH62 Faster?i dont see it.

[ScorchLegend]

@HASSDICH62 911 is never faster -.-

[viperconcept]

yes but is a 4.3 N/A vs 3.6 turbo...

[haloaum]

surprised to see the 430 win...

[RUDEI30Y]

996 is faster. F430 jumped start.

[Bemupiku]

@RUDEI30Y jes,Ferrari jumped

[juxonix8]

4.4 vs. 3.6.

[gionatan123456]

un propulsore e turbo l'altro e aspirato.............

[0290754770]

si la turbo ha 60 cv in meno però

[LEEOU1989]

4.3 VS 3.8

[pixelated34]

the shitty italian plastic rocket started before the porsche!!!!!!!!!

[dicktp]

@pixelated34 hahahahahhaha!!!

nicely said ;)

[metaldrumman]

@pixelated34 ITALIAN.. PLASTIC.. ROCKET... MMMMMMM say me ONE only time during of a porche 911 is faster then a ferrrari f430 ... NOWAY

[HASSDICH62]

@metaldrumman LOL look at this kid ! once in a while there comes a nobody along that never even touched an high speed car and he wants to talk about em

please junior go suck a dick and ride ur bike

every racer knows that the germans make the best cars

[vertine11]

@HASSDICH62 What country does the Koenigsegg come from? And the japanese have come up with something half the price of the 997 turbo but matches it in every department.....I love the 997 but you cant go throwing comments like that about when a ferrari just held it's own against it and is much better looking.

[HASSDICH62]

@vertine11 lol here u got a jew that just cant accept the fact that germany buils 100 times better cars then yours

this kid talks about japanese cars

why is it half price ? u dumbass u screw of a light on that car in it says toyota on it ahaha so go get ur honda and act like u drive a bimmer u fuckin nobody

a porsche a bmw a audi a mercedes is to good for ur fitlhy jew ass anyway so go suck a dick

[vertine11]

@HASSDICH62 haha excellent grammer skills my mongo friend! Jew?? Whats that all about is that how you offend some1 where your from? Im Welsh we don;t get Jews here so i dont understand. Honda? I hate Honda, and i was on about the R35 GTR it's half the price simple as and keeps up with all the big guns. I Got an Impreza P1 - British made and it fucks all German cars in it's price range! Kid?? I've had more cars than you have wanks you little toss bag! You hard bastard

[copali]

@pixelated34

I have to have one italian shitty plastic rocket...i love that toys

[LordMaxJa]

@pixelated34 Shitty italian plastic rocket :)))) You made my day mate! So true!

German engineering rocks! 

[cicciointernazionale]

@pixelated34 the shitty italian plastic go ahead...!!!

ahahahahha!!!! take it in the ass!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[branden1979]

lol. The Germans cannot beat the italians. :)

[violentojG66]

the camera should have been on the porsche really wanted to see a spider.

[phlemphlin]

we need to ban Mr.glad, maybe his little buddy too, your both annoying little cunts

[dplaziba]

Clossest race on GTBoard! :)

[amarthebestv]

i own a mercez-benz e220 turbo hydra 477pk .i live in belgium

[nitres155]

i think these guys are ritch kids racing

[EMINEMBOY2000]

ma car would come close audi ttrs with body kit and biggie r engine is a blast :)

[HalfAsain]

lol that was a 996 not a 997

997 = faster than a f430

[TheBlackulla]

the enzo isnt the most powerful naturally aspirated car, the McLaren F1 still holds the world record of 240mph, the enzo doesnt come close.

[ciakkettino]

ho ye buddy mc laren all ways try to still the ferrari tecnology i after say anymore???

[koylesmasterpeice]

The start was not from a stop. If the start was from a stop and not a rolling start I am guessing it would have been closer.

[imbluz]

Ferrari dropped that Porsche like a ton of beef.

[paikmendez]

not like a ton of beef, gimme a break...he just barely walked away from him. the porsche was ever so slowly gaining on him.

[xcutiebaby10x]

the 911 turbo s can that ferrari easily

[SLASHBIKER1980]

the FERRARI has been looked at ........... always has porsche.....com chopped herbs and.

[HenryGarnon]

Ferrari=Fiat. The Turbo have a lot of power less than the Ferrari and weight more... Take a Porsche with 490hp and... bye bye shit of Ferrari

[SLASHBIKER1980]

porsche TURBO is less powerful, because are not able to make car more powerful, the guilt is of the FERRARI? that stupid ideas .........

[ciakkettino]

porshe = wolkswagen if you install the turbo in the ferrari wich call novitech rosso bye bye bye bye porshe lol

[GT3LM]

You mean match it's price range with the GT2...

"Bye bye Ferrari lol..."

[ciakkettino]

e buddy wath you pay is wath you get ferrari is ferrari with all the respect of the porshe but still look like wolksvagen

[GT3LM]

"wath you pay is wath you get"

Yup, a badge.

[ciakkettino]

you mean if you buy the porsche you get a badge ? becouse ferrari is still the master of the formula one and the fxx is still the most powerfull track car and the enzo is still the n 1 aspirate powerfull engine in the world i after say anymore???

[GT3LM]

Formula 1 - No Ferrari are NOT No.1 any more. Besides, this has nothing to do with road cars...

Ferrari FXX - Not road legal. £900,000. Go build a LeMans car - FXX would get raped.

Enzo - 110bhp per litre.

GT3RS - 118bhp per litre.

What was that about the Enzo's engine?

[ciakkettino]

e mister ,ferrari still the king of all the car but you can belive anithyng you want. why ferrari cost more and look 1000 time better then porsche??? why mc laren copy the ferrari tecnolog y 2 years go???why don't copy and the porsche???and again formula one ferrari win more race the any other cars. fxx is track car i never said is legal but into now they don't have car to compete and the enzo is the most powerfull aspirate engine in the world

[meridastorm]

the king of all sportscars is tht porsche 917!!! faster then any ferrari=fiat shit go and take alook silly italian

[ciakkettino]

fiat shit???fiat take over all the american cars company and even the shit opel and porshe wath??? the ferrari kik averybody hess in the formula one so shut up kartoffel fressa

[JshJHoon]

dude fiat stands for " fix it again tony". fiats are unreliable man

[SLASHBIKER1980]

You have 15 years? hummm how often have you had?

I had a BMW 320 coupe, paid € 45,000, after 2 years I have sold to 14,000 € for despair ........

German cars are reliable? hahahaha .........

[JshJHoon]

LMAO dude, German cars ARE reliable. We have two Mercedes, and two Porsches. Yeh Im 15 but I had my Porsche for 3 years. lmao bmw 320 coupe... not that theyre bad cars, its just that you think you're the big shit because you had one of those.

and yeh, please learn some english grammar before you post... "hahahaha"

[HamdanTheGamer]

let me guess ur one of those fags who dosent have a today's porsche only the crapy old ones suck a dick

[JshJHoon]

LOL a crappy old porsche would waste your honda civic, so id stfu if i were you.

I have a 1973 911 S targa, with a 959 body kit installed.

eat shit ham, you who take pride in your gaming skills rofl

[SLASHBIKER1980]

I'm not English, if my English is not your pleasure, you can speak the Italian language ..... know the Italian language?

You have German cars, Italian cars but have you ever had? no! then why talk about things that do not know? why you want to do a fool?

[JshJHoon]

No man, lol english isnt my pleasure rofl

nope, dont know italian, but i see why you like fiat so much, its cause your italian and your being biased.

I have nothing at all against italian cars, theyre GREAT.Ferraris and Lambos are some of the best cars around, i just hate fiat. we've had palios, pandas. albeas, almost every fiat model in our shop, they're the same guys, and theyre here almost every two weeks, new problem evrytime.we're rakin in big money cause of em, so fiats not ALL that bad.

[SLASHBIKER1980]

I am honest, I also had German cars, and even Japanese ........

the fiat of a few years ago, were not perfect in the cockpit, but they cost very little ........

my girl has a BMW 130, and has a quality ridiculous ..... really poor,

Fiat Bravo has also improved internal ..........

[ciakkettino]

fiat is going to be the biggest factory in the world buddy the already buy the group crysler

[MrGlad271]

You are a dumbass

[ciakkettino]

hey mister yankee how can you call me dumbass when you live in the place that is full of dumbass????

[MrGlad271]

Wow, that made a lot of sense, i live in a place that is full of dumbass.... you really are a dumbass lol. Where i live has nothing to do with what i was talking about. I seriosly doubt that Fiat well be the biggest factory in the world, just because they bought chrysler. Get your facts straight, they are the 6th biggest carmaker right now, Toyota is the biggest followed by GM... Idiot

[ciakkettino]

se i know you are on idiot gmc is going bankrupcy becouse they build shitty cars !!! fiat is building factory in brasil they will make 4000 cars a day and they build another big factory in china and plus they have factory all over europe and yest hey buy group crysler .new holland.case and kobelco so i suggest to go eat your hamburgher and schut up !!!

[MrGlad271]

aww, i made you mad didnt i? Go learn to type you fat fuck. lmfao

[ciakkettino]

again you call me fat fuck in your country 90%of the people if 500 pound lol

[MrGlad271]

Why do you keep coming back to my country? Where are you even from? You really need to learn how to type, I can guarantee that you would get your ass kicked by 90% of the people in the U.S. learn your fucking facts, Fiat is not the number one manufacturer and Toyota is 10 times bigger than them. Bottom line- you are dumbass for trying to talk shit over youtube, and judging by the other people you started fights with, your gay according to lilmrrpimp, and you don't know anything about cars.lmao

[ciakkettino]

e buddy i have news for you and your boyfrend lilpimp i don't know about cars???? italian make the most exotic cars formula one is dominate by the italian . ho i forget you have nascar where they go round and round like idiot and don't forget that america exist becouse 2 great italian colombo and americo vespucci .and according to your boyfrend i'm gay?? san francisco miami and new york is the most famous city for gay so i suggest to suck lilpim dick and chut fuck up!!!

[MrGlad271]

No, i will not "chut fuck up" and columbus was from italy, but spain funded his exploration, so no im not here because of italy, i suggest you get your history checked as well as your spelling.

[ciakkettino]

spain found is exploration??? hahhah tipical yankee i 'm not surprise that you learn that in the school sense america is backwords . i suggest you to get the real history instead to listen all the stupidity over there lol

[MrGlad271]

hahahahha i not suprise you very stupido, me nombre es ciakkettino. Ciakkettino is doosh-a-bagas, i talk lik dis because me no speak englis. lmfao

[ciakkettino]

e mister cowboy english is my second linguage so if i don't speack good dosen't matter and let me ask .you have second linguage?????? besyde then yankee english ???becouse yankee enlglish is not the real one lol

[MrGlad271]

e mister faggot, yu very stupido yah? You understand what me say? I cannot understand yu, fix de accant, lmfao. Your fucking 42? Get a fucking life, i didn't think a 42 year old would talk shit over youtube..... But then again your here to pick up guys. I also thought 42 year olds knew how to spell, i guess Italy's education system is shit lmfao....

[ciakkettino]

e mister mc donald i'm 42 so wath you ar 39 and you talk more stupidity then me but that don't surprise me sense you come from the back words country lol so i suggest to go eat your hamburgher and shut fuck up

[MrGlad271]

Omg, do you actually think im 39? THATS A FAKE AGE!!!! That some random thing i put in there so petifiles like you don't try to contact me. Your retarded, im a teenager. omg your retarded. BTW i can tell your fat by the way you keep bring up hamburgers and U.S is fat, lol you keep saying that because thats the way you think about yourself. Sucks to be you

[ciakkettino]

ho ye so wath make you tink i'm 42? lol i'm 15 lol go suck the camel dick that the perfect job for you

[MrGlad271]

Surrrre your 15, yea right. Your 42 all the way. Probably still lives with his mommy. Lol haven't you told like 4 people to go suck a camel dick? Why are you so obessed with camel dick? Is there something you need to confess? lmfao you are the biggest homo ive ever seen. You sound like a big gaping pussy.

[ciakkettino]

reason why i say that becouse in the yankee land you people ar bounce pussy the women got the balls

[zdrums84]

@MrGlad271 You love all the dicks....dicky. HAHAHAHA lamo lamo!

[comp5d5]

MrGladIhaveabigcockinmyMouth, shut the fuck up. You live at home with your mommy and daddy. You're a nothing whose daily kicks are arguing with people on the internet. But in real life you're just a mere 120 lbs faggot who likes to suck dick and take it up the ass. Seriously, GTFO.

[MrGlad271]

ummm, was i talking to you? no, shut the fuck up. P.S.- read what i said about you on the other vid.... you really are stupid

[lilmrrpimp]

you are obviously a fucking fag..

[ciakkettino]

bring me your sister i proof to you lol

[lilmrrpimp]

MrGlad271 +1

lol

[ciakkettino]

and you mister pimp go give blowjob to a camel lol

[lilmrrpimp]

you are truly pathetic..

[ciakkettino]

you are on hessol

[MrGlad271]

lol

[meridastorm]

if you put an turbo in the fiat the engine will blow off "high italian qality" hahahah

[SLASHBIKER1980]

hummmmmmmm ........ if you put the turbo on a German car that remains stationary ..........

is always bad to lose? f1-rally-tourism ......

f1 =ferrari -alfa -Maserati ...

rally =Fiat-Lancia

tourism = alfa romeo ...... .........

losing is bad, I suppose, but used ..........

I had a BMW 320coupè, 45000 €, I sold it after 2 years to 14000 € for desperation, you are sure of the quality German ????? I do not!!

[56191181]

ferari=fiat?How stupid you are! ah ah ah ah but how old are you? moron! you have any mental problem? So porsche = Volkswagen

[imbluz]

I love that F430!

[spastikospasiklaki]

bring the bugatti veyron to show them what the word speed means :) also i liked this race ;)

gow and see the bugatti veyron and mclaren f1 race its great just write bugatti veyron vs mclaren f1

[CaesarAugustusOctav]

Only Ferrari.

[bikerboneGTA]

i heard first time about a f430 F1!!! lol

why not: techart spr1 vs. f430 F1!!! 800hp+ vs a poor sick ferrari

[gang5tablood5]

ferrari 5ound5 real gud 2 an b^etta

[BMWRacer335]

that old ass 911 got owned. The GT2 would eat that ferrari for breakfast

[tortebrumm]

911 997 too!!!

[ratt14thebests]

i think the GT2 can' t eat the ferrari enzo for breakfast... you think?

[Liboni85]

GT3LM your sister with 1000 hp is cheaper

[Liboni85]

Ferrari were an aspirated spider. Porsche, turbo. I didnt imagined this result. Ferrari is really the best.

[GT3LM]

What, you didn't imagine a car seven years older which is £35,000 cheaper when NEW compared to the F430 to lose by just a car length? Then you say Ferrari is the best?! Buhaha!

F430 vs 997 Turbo

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F430 vs 996 GT2

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[2fight4]

is the 996 Turbo in this video the 420bhp or the 450bhp version?

[CelinaTankred]

This is a 420bhp version + Cargraphic exhaust (+21bhp).

[lulika987]

alltough all cars are unique in their own way , i would just like to poiunt out that , name me an car manufacturer that makes a car with an engine mounted behind the rear axle , handle like a supercar thats based ona a F1 car and has a midle-mounted engine ? ;) I call that genius :) But neverless EUROPEAN CARS FTW haha :P

[lulika987]

Ferrari is a good car and everything , the europeans build the best cars , but i stick with the Porsche bcuse its 1 of the most beautifull cars and its special ! WHY ? Bcuse it has an engine mounted behind the rear axle , has a unique 6cl 3.6l+ engine and handles equal or even better than Ferrari :D Thats why i like it and for a car that has an engine behind the rear axle , The Porsche guys are masters at making a car handle ;) And noone can prove me wrong , thats why the Porsche is so unique !

[Kbeckpizza]

ferrari is soooo sick..... but it did jump the 911tt........ not sure it would have mattered though..... f430 would have pulled off either way

[golf1diesel]

it would be nice 996TT vs 997 GT3(RS)

[01CanesrdGOAT]

How come it seems like Porsche is the whipping boy of every race?