Plus usually suburban schools tend to do a little better. But after they were retested 3 weeks later they sucked major dick. The effectiveness is completely bad...
New urbanism is necessary to moving beyond the gas guzzling car paradigm. I see much of this already in some parts of Japan. The urban centers need to invest much more heavily in solar energy to be used locally.
Citizens of New York City, Tokyo, and other highly urbanized places have smaller carbon footprints, have shorter commutes, and use less money and energy for transportation. There is a lot of evidence that cities are better for people and the environment. I think that the way cities were being developed at the turn of the last century is a good example of how we should move forward. Not everyone wants to live in the country, and not everyone wants to rely on the car for everything.
@onionofdeath. New York City can certainly improve, though. The boroughs of Queens, Staten Island and even much of the Bronx aren't that sustainable. Most lower income sections of NYC are not as compact and mobile as the affluent sections. We need light rail line in those neighborhoods. Also skyscraper blocks may not fly either, which will have be facing an energy crisis as well. Powering the elevators, and re-cladding is probably going to be quite a challenge as well.
The problem isn't with cars, pollution and the creation and expansion of vast connurbations that are problematic, it's to do with the size of population centres.
Fresco's idea is anathematic to anyone who enjoys natural surroundings and only exacerbates things. Less people less cities not more. If 'more' is seen as being good, then think of the cancer cell.
@grayzytube Cars are a significant part of the problem. They are extremely inefficient, and guzzle too much oil. To design a place around the idea of everyone driving everywhere is foolish in the extrme. Urbanisation is a solution if done correctly. Moving people out of car dependency and reducing sprawl, reduces oil use.
@KrunchyJD I agree with your comments about driving everywhere but this stuff is only symptomatic of the socio-political and economic systems we live under. Educating people to use less is not a good thing for consumer based societies (only about 17% of the world's pop.). Designing products that last (why do I even need a food mixer?) is also counter to consumerism. With oil trading underpinning the dollar.... need I say more?
@grayzytube. Not really. The metro of Paris has a carbon footprint lower than metros in US that are several times smaller in terms of pop. American suburbia, along with the Australian and Canadian counterpart, is clearly a ticking time bomb. One can maintain the current world population, at the density of Paris, in an area that's smaller than the state of Texas. Per capita CO2 emission of Paris is far lower than the ~6.0 ( vs >20 in US) of France (/w 24% rural pop).
LOLOLOL. Obviously you're not a 13 year old girl - in fact, you're a man, doing a little background research I found out exactly who you are. Nice try, though.
Besides, I wouldn't call commenting on my first youtube video an "obsession". Anyway, I'm done here. You're clearly not interested in actually talking about the issues at hand, you're just a troll (47-year-old male troll who goes online pretending he's a 13 year old girl). Strange. Just strange. Anyway, I'm out.
Thejacobday (28 years old) is obviously obsessed with me, a 13 year old girl (read his rant) It's obvious he's failed to live up to what he thinks his peers expect of him: Pimply faced underacheiver, lived with his mother until a late age and dreams of the father he never really knew. He isn't where he wants to be in life.
Always one step behind those he wishes he was. Looks up to and emulates the elitists he's trying to be.
Picking on teenage girls won't improve your self esteem. ..Sorry
I hope you'll consider that there are hundreds of thousands of researchers, economists, engineers, even automobile company R&D specialists at companies, universities and private firms the world over studying and working on better designing our built environment, balancing our transportation mechanisms. Let them do their job and stick to what you do best.
But getting back to what you probably meant - that we can cover great distance quickly, that's fine and the car enables us to quickly get to many different places. For those reasons, it is a great transportation tool - but to ignore its impacts on our economy (both positive and negative), our national debt, our landscape, our resource allocations and our environment is just ridiculous and there are very few people who suggest we do that. But you're one of them.
4) Your last 2 points are the funniest and makes me wonder how old you are (as do the pink polka-dots on your profile). I like the basic pretext (humans were slaves to walking, etc...) Cars give us less 'freedom of movement than our feet. We can't drive our cars up the stairs of the Empire State Building. We can't drive our cars to the top of Mount Everest. That was a really poor analogy, Amber.
@TheJacobday. In fact, US and other suburban nations are extremely restrictive. Think of the time commuting, and the fact that the majority of free time is spent at home. Just walk around typical suburban Sydney, Houston, or metropolitan New York, rarely ANYONE is outside. One can find plenty of cars, parking lots, traffic, but very little human or pedestrian activity.
Head to Paris, Porto, where walking is life, social scale is default, which isn't even the case in Queens, New York.
4) Your last 2 points are the funniest and makes me wonder how old you are (as do the pink polka-dots on your profile). I like the basic pretext (humans were slaves to walking, etc...) Cars give us less 'freedom of movement than our feet. We can't drive our cars up the stairs of the Empire State Building. We can't drive our cars to the top of Mount Everest. That was a really poor analogy, Amber.
3) The economic advantages of density make surface parking a waste of resources in most developed areas in the US. Again, this is urban development 101... basic lesson for understanding the economics of the built environment. That means transit is a necessary transportation alternative in these spaces.
I agree with you that this doesn't mean the car makes us slaves (your words, not the words in the video) but rather means the car is one part of what should be a balanced approach to transportation based on context and quantitative study (land value and population density vs. transportation cost per capita).
1) Adding lanes to roads (and highways) does induce traffic. This is not an arguable fact. Anyone in transportation planning knows that. Your reaction to it like it is news shows that you don't know what you're talking about.
2) Public transportation (transit) will always provide flexibility of movement to those who either choose to live in an area where parking is too expensive and space is limited, or for those who cannot afford a private automobile.
@CNTFam (continued - part 2) Let's instead use as a basis of understanding at least a masters degree in transportation planning, engineering, architecture, urban design, city planning or public policy and at least a decade of experience in planning for road and/or transit development.
If you've got both of those, excellent! We can have a real discussion. If not, let's instead leave it at this:
dont worry insurance rates will kill the car.........long before gas prices will......stupid emission test.......in 5 yrs nobody is going 2 b able 2 afford a car.............
I dont understand this ye olde assumption that the car is the american dream and symbol of freedom. It is pure auto industry propaganda perpetuated for almost 100 years that every baby boomer drank up like kool-aid. Its because no one advertises to the extent of the auto industry with their over the top grandiose claims and faux-patriotism to peddle their product as if cars are as essential to humans as water. Why cant anyone see past this corporate BS?
@CNTFam - I'm noticing that a lot of your comments are just trolling (randomly commenting on subjects for which you have no expertise). I'd recommend you limit that practice.
To the point, however, you wrote the above poorly-written, poorly-spelled drivel.
First of all, on what are you basing these remarks? The observations of an average Taylor Swift fan (see your page)?
Let's face it, we can't lie and say we didn't know about the pollution and the environmental damage we're causing. Most people don't care - they sit in their little boxes on wheels and in their over-sized homes and enjoy convenience while passing on the bill for all this to future generations. It's sad because while we're creating this disaster we're also cutting ourselves off from each other. I hope some real change happens before it's too late.
Oh this is such a bullshit philosophy! Ever heard of derivatives? Your belief in free markets / capitalism is predatory cannibalism. Even Alan Greenspan knows it: /watch?v=bAH-o7oEiyY
"Capitalism turns men into economic cannibals, and having done so, mistakes economic cannibalism for human nature." - Edward Hyam, Soil and Civilization, 1952
The free markets did not create the problem. It helped build the streetcar stick and queen anne style towns of 1870s-1920s.
Corporate facism: Standard oil, car companies, asphalt companies, etc... lobbied to tear down the system and create a forced living arrangement of cul-de-sacs, collector roads, parking requirements, land-use segregation, height restrictions, highways, etc... enslaving us to the problem we are having.
@Cyrus992 It would seem, without regulations - some sort of frame work - and elimination of monopolies, the result is over concentration of wealth and a collapsed system. Nasty means are employed to elimination competition. I've experienced this up close and personal Ordinary people are complicit, they will act like idiots and monsters if they think they can gain a buck. Further down the continuum of these types is found the Mob and drug cartels. Still further down we find the banking cartels.
Global Free Trade has resulted in a system of collapsed margins. And so, corporations begin to trade in bets (derivatives - See Wall Street II for a nice dramatization of what has happened). These derivatives, measured in the hundreds of trillions (?) and represents more money than the Global GDP for more than a decade. To prevent that bubble from imploding they stole the entire planet blind.
The entire human species has been turned into slaves for those at the top. WTF?
Communists gave up on Communism around 1991 (?) and capitalism died in 2008. Or was it under Nixon, resulting from the Oil shock in 73? Or because of the great Depression? And even before WWI and the creation of the Fed there were repeated recessions and Depressions. Before Standard Oil and the monopolies there was Waterloo and Nathan Rothschild gaining control of the British economy...
If capitalism were so good then why do we have to keep fixing it?
Well the elite controlled the economy (Which is Facism, not capitalism)... but they had very little control of urban planning before WWII.
Did the mega corporations help build the light rail streetcar system and the stick and queen anne style towns that are the SOLUTION to the problems mentioned in this film?
No..
Who helped build the auto-oriented cities.. The elites you have mentioned.
@Cyrus992 Think our view is very close... I like your comments. Will study!
And I think, what I'm currently describing as "rational capitalism", for lack of a better term, at this time, will still have to be nested within a hybrid of partial socialism (The Commanding Heights of Civilization - See: /watch?v=jf9AtkD4T2s ) planning and capitalism. I just do not see a wholly unregulated system ever working. Thus we are in the realm socialism. The pendulum swings and creates new problems...
Are you aware that manics and scumbags like Randal O Toole and Wendell Cox are trying ot block progress because mixed-use and diverse cities will reduce "OBSENE" revenues for their oil, asphalt, cement, etc.. groups that they lobby for?
Are you aware of their bogus stats? They say free markets are in these auto-oriented suburbs. What a load of bogus! Suck-ups acting as libertarians even though Celente (libertarian you support) admires high quality towns
My focus is in other areas at the moment. However, energy consumption of cities, buildings, etc, will have to drop. Cement production globally produces 7% (+/-) of CO2 emissions. Human emissions are 20,000 x greater than total average volcanic emissions. Some believe CO2 emissions is the problem, some believe fossil-hydrocarbon combustion is the problem - They are two sides of the same coin - two aspects of the same process.
This is why I live in the city.
Plus usually suburban schools tend to do a little better. But after they were retested 3 weeks later they sucked major dick. The effectiveness is completely bad...
JoeA320Pilot 1 month ago
Dear americans. This is YOUR problem, not the world's. If you have to change the way you live, tough fucking luck.
Sincerely, the rest of the world.
MilitantOldLady 4 months ago
James H Kunstler dissects suburbia
/Q1ZeXnmDZMQ
check it out
HolyCity2012 8 months ago
New urbanism is necessary to moving beyond the gas guzzling car paradigm. I see much of this already in some parts of Japan. The urban centers need to invest much more heavily in solar energy to be used locally.
DragonYearJoji 9 months ago
A great documentary that every American should watch.
tengoindiamike 10 months ago
Yes, to everything.
davidheyburn 10 months ago
There is a part solution, look at The Netherlands. Compact people scaled cities, and bicycles.
KrunchyJD 10 months ago 3
Citizens of New York City, Tokyo, and other highly urbanized places have smaller carbon footprints, have shorter commutes, and use less money and energy for transportation. There is a lot of evidence that cities are better for people and the environment. I think that the way cities were being developed at the turn of the last century is a good example of how we should move forward. Not everyone wants to live in the country, and not everyone wants to rely on the car for everything.
onionofdeath 10 months ago 4
@onionofdeath. New York City can certainly improve, though. The boroughs of Queens, Staten Island and even much of the Bronx aren't that sustainable. Most lower income sections of NYC are not as compact and mobile as the affluent sections. We need light rail line in those neighborhoods. Also skyscraper blocks may not fly either, which will have be facing an energy crisis as well. Powering the elevators, and re-cladding is probably going to be quite a challenge as well.
raptorkiller2k5 6 months ago
The problem isn't with cars, pollution and the creation and expansion of vast connurbations that are problematic, it's to do with the size of population centres.
Fresco's idea is anathematic to anyone who enjoys natural surroundings and only exacerbates things. Less people less cities not more. If 'more' is seen as being good, then think of the cancer cell.
grayzytube 10 months ago
@grayzytube Cars are a significant part of the problem. They are extremely inefficient, and guzzle too much oil. To design a place around the idea of everyone driving everywhere is foolish in the extrme. Urbanisation is a solution if done correctly. Moving people out of car dependency and reducing sprawl, reduces oil use.
KrunchyJD 10 months ago 3
@KrunchyJD I agree with your comments about driving everywhere but this stuff is only symptomatic of the socio-political and economic systems we live under. Educating people to use less is not a good thing for consumer based societies (only about 17% of the world's pop.). Designing products that last (why do I even need a food mixer?) is also counter to consumerism. With oil trading underpinning the dollar.... need I say more?
grayzytube 10 months ago
@grayzytube why do we need to be a consumer based society then?
xxx2397 6 months ago
@grayzytube. Not really. The metro of Paris has a carbon footprint lower than metros in US that are several times smaller in terms of pop. American suburbia, along with the Australian and Canadian counterpart, is clearly a ticking time bomb. One can maintain the current world population, at the density of Paris, in an area that's smaller than the state of Texas. Per capita CO2 emission of Paris is far lower than the ~6.0 ( vs >20 in US) of France (/w 24% rural pop).
raptorkiller2k5 6 months ago
What they present in this documentary is not sustainable either. Check out Jacque Fresco's "circle city" design.
evesrib 10 months ago
@evesrib That might work if you are starting from scratch, but it will be easier to redevelop existing populated areas, not to start anew.
onionofdeath 10 months ago
@onionofdeath Not according to Jacque.
evesrib 10 months ago
LOLOLOL. Obviously you're not a 13 year old girl - in fact, you're a man, doing a little background research I found out exactly who you are. Nice try, though.
Besides, I wouldn't call commenting on my first youtube video an "obsession". Anyway, I'm done here. You're clearly not interested in actually talking about the issues at hand, you're just a troll (47-year-old male troll who goes online pretending he's a 13 year old girl). Strange. Just strange. Anyway, I'm out.
TheJacobday 11 months ago
Thejacobday (28 years old) is obviously obsessed with me, a 13 year old girl (read his rant) It's obvious he's failed to live up to what he thinks his peers expect of him: Pimply faced underacheiver, lived with his mother until a late age and dreams of the father he never really knew. He isn't where he wants to be in life.
Always one step behind those he wishes he was. Looks up to and emulates the elitists he's trying to be.
Picking on teenage girls won't improve your self esteem. ..Sorry
CNTFam 11 months ago
@CNTFam (continued - part 8)
I hope you'll consider that there are hundreds of thousands of researchers, economists, engineers, even automobile company R&D specialists at companies, universities and private firms the world over studying and working on better designing our built environment, balancing our transportation mechanisms. Let them do their job and stick to what you do best.
TheJacobday 11 months ago
@CNTFam (continued - part 7)
But getting back to what you probably meant - that we can cover great distance quickly, that's fine and the car enables us to quickly get to many different places. For those reasons, it is a great transportation tool - but to ignore its impacts on our economy (both positive and negative), our national debt, our landscape, our resource allocations and our environment is just ridiculous and there are very few people who suggest we do that. But you're one of them.
TheJacobday 11 months ago
@CNTFam (continued - part 6)
4) Your last 2 points are the funniest and makes me wonder how old you are (as do the pink polka-dots on your profile). I like the basic pretext (humans were slaves to walking, etc...) Cars give us less 'freedom of movement than our feet. We can't drive our cars up the stairs of the Empire State Building. We can't drive our cars to the top of Mount Everest. That was a really poor analogy, Amber.
TheJacobday 11 months ago
@TheJacobday. In fact, US and other suburban nations are extremely restrictive. Think of the time commuting, and the fact that the majority of free time is spent at home. Just walk around typical suburban Sydney, Houston, or metropolitan New York, rarely ANYONE is outside. One can find plenty of cars, parking lots, traffic, but very little human or pedestrian activity.
Head to Paris, Porto, where walking is life, social scale is default, which isn't even the case in Queens, New York.
raptorkiller2k5 6 months ago
@CNTFam (continued - part 6)
4) Your last 2 points are the funniest and makes me wonder how old you are (as do the pink polka-dots on your profile). I like the basic pretext (humans were slaves to walking, etc...) Cars give us less 'freedom of movement than our feet. We can't drive our cars up the stairs of the Empire State Building. We can't drive our cars to the top of Mount Everest. That was a really poor analogy, Amber.
TheJacobday 11 months ago
@CNTFam (continued - part 5)
3) The economic advantages of density make surface parking a waste of resources in most developed areas in the US. Again, this is urban development 101... basic lesson for understanding the economics of the built environment. That means transit is a necessary transportation alternative in these spaces.
TheJacobday 11 months ago
@CNTFam (continued - part 4)
I agree with you that this doesn't mean the car makes us slaves (your words, not the words in the video) but rather means the car is one part of what should be a balanced approach to transportation based on context and quantitative study (land value and population density vs. transportation cost per capita).
TheJacobday 11 months ago
@CNTFam (continued - part 3)
1) Adding lanes to roads (and highways) does induce traffic. This is not an arguable fact. Anyone in transportation planning knows that. Your reaction to it like it is news shows that you don't know what you're talking about.
2) Public transportation (transit) will always provide flexibility of movement to those who either choose to live in an area where parking is too expensive and space is limited, or for those who cannot afford a private automobile.
TheJacobday 11 months ago
@CNTFam (continued - part 2) Let's instead use as a basis of understanding at least a masters degree in transportation planning, engineering, architecture, urban design, city planning or public policy and at least a decade of experience in planning for road and/or transit development.
If you've got both of those, excellent! We can have a real discussion. If not, let's instead leave it at this:
TheJacobday 11 months ago
dont worry insurance rates will kill the car.........long before gas prices will......stupid emission test.......in 5 yrs nobody is going 2 b able 2 afford a car.............
chadberry75 11 months ago
I dont understand this ye olde assumption that the car is the american dream and symbol of freedom. It is pure auto industry propaganda perpetuated for almost 100 years that every baby boomer drank up like kool-aid. Its because no one advertises to the extent of the auto industry with their over the top grandiose claims and faux-patriotism to peddle their product as if cars are as essential to humans as water. Why cant anyone see past this corporate BS?
jonw999999 1 year ago
This video makes absurd conclusions:
Adding more freeway lanes increases conjestion?
Public transportation gives us more freedom and cars make us slaves?
Humans were slaves to walking - Then slaves to riding on animals - Then slaves to riding on railroad tracks - Then along came the car...
Cars give us freedom of movement. Rolling us back onto tracks is rolling back progress.
CNTFam 1 year ago
@CNTFam - I'm noticing that a lot of your comments are just trolling (randomly commenting on subjects for which you have no expertise). I'd recommend you limit that practice.
To the point, however, you wrote the above poorly-written, poorly-spelled drivel.
First of all, on what are you basing these remarks? The observations of an average Taylor Swift fan (see your page)?
TheJacobday 11 months ago
Let's face it, we can't lie and say we didn't know about the pollution and the environmental damage we're causing. Most people don't care - they sit in their little boxes on wheels and in their over-sized homes and enjoy convenience while passing on the bill for all this to future generations. It's sad because while we're creating this disaster we're also cutting ourselves off from each other. I hope some real change happens before it's too late.
Xenia0natop 1 year ago
@Xenia0natop
"future generations" - No, this generation. This will unravel much faster than most think possible.
"I hope" - Hope will NOT solve this. Intelligence and decisive action will.
Everyone cutting back a little and recycling a little (sure it might help, a little) will not do the job!
This is going to take a vastly greater ambition.
The question is simple: Is humanity worth saving or not?
Knossos22 1 year ago
We must learn our lesson that "public" projects screwed up our society. These includes public urban planning, schools, and highways.
The next era should focus on the market economy by private firms designing towns with "private" rail.
Stay away from Public transit instead use the free market.
Cyrus992 1 year ago
@Cyrus992
Oh this is such a bullshit philosophy! Ever heard of derivatives? Your belief in free markets / capitalism is predatory cannibalism. Even Alan Greenspan knows it: /watch?v=bAH-o7oEiyY
"Capitalism turns men into economic cannibals, and having done so, mistakes economic cannibalism for human nature." - Edward Hyam, Soil and Civilization, 1952
Knossos22 1 year ago
@Cyrus992
Yeah, like the free markets will build the interstate highway system?
he he he, ha ha ha... What an inane comment...
Hey Bud what are you doing today. Oh, I'm going to go patch pot holes on my mile of freeway.
Unfortunately my part is 400 miles away, and I'm one of the lucky ones. Bob's is 700 miles away.
Transportation is a profoundly subsidized system. - Like spending a trillion to send the war machine to Iraq...
And this is sustainable?
Knossos22 1 year ago
@Knossos22
I believe you are stating facism is the problem.
The free markets did not create the problem. It helped build the streetcar stick and queen anne style towns of 1870s-1920s.
Corporate facism: Standard oil, car companies, asphalt companies, etc... lobbied to tear down the system and create a forced living arrangement of cul-de-sacs, collector roads, parking requirements, land-use segregation, height restrictions, highways, etc... enslaving us to the problem we are having.
Cyrus992 1 year ago
@Cyrus992 It would seem, without regulations - some sort of frame work - and elimination of monopolies, the result is over concentration of wealth and a collapsed system. Nasty means are employed to elimination competition. I've experienced this up close and personal Ordinary people are complicit, they will act like idiots and monsters if they think they can gain a buck. Further down the continuum of these types is found the Mob and drug cartels. Still further down we find the banking cartels.
Knossos22 1 year ago
@Cyrus992
Global Free Trade has resulted in a system of collapsed margins. And so, corporations begin to trade in bets (derivatives - See Wall Street II for a nice dramatization of what has happened). These derivatives, measured in the hundreds of trillions (?) and represents more money than the Global GDP for more than a decade. To prevent that bubble from imploding they stole the entire planet blind.
The entire human species has been turned into slaves for those at the top. WTF?
Knossos22 1 year ago
@Cyrus992
Communists gave up on Communism around 1991 (?) and capitalism died in 2008. Or was it under Nixon, resulting from the Oil shock in 73? Or because of the great Depression? And even before WWI and the creation of the Fed there were repeated recessions and Depressions. Before Standard Oil and the monopolies there was Waterloo and Nathan Rothschild gaining control of the British economy...
If capitalism were so good then why do we have to keep fixing it?
Rational Capitalism ?
Knossos22 1 year ago
@Knossos22
Well the elite controlled the economy (Which is Facism, not capitalism)... but they had very little control of urban planning before WWII.
Did the mega corporations help build the light rail streetcar system and the stick and queen anne style towns that are the SOLUTION to the problems mentioned in this film?
No..
Who helped build the auto-oriented cities.. The elites you have mentioned.
Cyrus992 1 year ago
@Cyrus992 Think our view is very close... I like your comments. Will study!
And I think, what I'm currently describing as "rational capitalism", for lack of a better term, at this time, will still have to be nested within a hybrid of partial socialism (The Commanding Heights of Civilization - See: /watch?v=jf9AtkD4T2s ) planning and capitalism. I just do not see a wholly unregulated system ever working. Thus we are in the realm socialism. The pendulum swings and creates new problems...
Knossos22 1 year ago
@Knossos22
Thanks.
Are you aware that manics and scumbags like Randal O Toole and Wendell Cox are trying ot block progress because mixed-use and diverse cities will reduce "OBSENE" revenues for their oil, asphalt, cement, etc.. groups that they lobby for?
Are you aware of their bogus stats? They say free markets are in these auto-oriented suburbs. What a load of bogus! Suck-ups acting as libertarians even though Celente (libertarian you support) admires high quality towns
Cyrus992 1 year ago
@Cyrus992
I'll have to look at this...
My focus is in other areas at the moment. However, energy consumption of cities, buildings, etc, will have to drop. Cement production globally produces 7% (+/-) of CO2 emissions. Human emissions are 20,000 x greater than total average volcanic emissions. Some believe CO2 emissions is the problem, some believe fossil-hydrocarbon combustion is the problem - They are two sides of the same coin - two aspects of the same process.
Knossos22 1 year ago
@Knossos22
Okay, but are you aware that the US, Canada, and Australia have the highest CO2 emmissions per capita followed by Western European areas?
Cyrus992 1 year ago