Light in Darkness Nemesis Divina Part 1, A Christian Black Metal documentary

[metalhead22burks]

Look at what radical muslems are doing in the world today...yet there are plenty of muslems who do not agree with this tactic

[metalhead22burks]

History is full of people who tried to fore their beliefs on others, this idea is not native to christianity, but (every belief or walk of life) is also full of people who do not share this view

[Theshemproductions]

Why would a non satanist use satan styled music,it's connected to the power of satan people.Temptation...Did not COF make a video about it?

[embracedbyfrost]

@Theshemproductions Black metal is dark, not evil. there is a big difference. Black metal was never about satan to begin with. Satan in a majority of black metal is nothing more than a christianized representation of man.

[Thesortvokter]

There is a reason why the empty churches are burnt.

[Thesortvokter]

Fucking weak, idiotic shit - white black metal, what the fuck? Un- black metal? What the fuck is up with these christian pagans, worshipping their sungod at Jolir (midwinter)!!

Apologize before the true judge, christians!

"we try to ...take the music into a new dimension of brutality."

UNBELIEVABLE

By the way, I'm no satanist

[embracedbyfrost]

@Thesortvokter Just in case youve never listened to Crimson Moonlight. whom you quoted...their music is more brutal than a majority of BM that is out there.

[Thesortvokter]

@embracedbyfrost My comment has more to do with the contradictory philosophy of the originating black metal sound/message sat against the christian philosophy of life. It's like having gangsta rappers singing about how they loke their candyfloss coloured pink instead of blue. You don't hear satanists wanting to sing gospel, do you?

The music may be fine - when I said weak, idiotic, I was referring to the parring of a christian message linked to musical sound with satanic origin.

[embracedbyfrost]

@Thesortvokter Black metal was never originally about satan though. unless you are talking about 1st wave BM. The second wave was more cult, individualistic, and dark. Depending on the area of the world, the christian bands lyrics are different. The Scandinavian bands have darker lyrics than most of the other countries. Theres a lot of cheesy christian BM for sure. if you get into bands such as A hill to die upon, Antestor, Crimson moonlight, the lyrics are much different.

[Thesortvokter]

@embracedbyfrost Personally I prefer the early albums of BATHORY. BATHORY [And Hellhammer/Celtic Frost) defined every last element in the now well-known Balck Metal style. Norwegian bands stole like ravens from that original swedish act/person, about 10 years later. They call it norwegian Black Metal?? They should call it swedish, ha, ha. (I'm actually from Norway, by the way).

[embracedbyfrost]

@Thesortvokter I agree to an extent but it was Mayhem who created the traditional black metal riff. Bathory was definatly the main influence on the BM riff but they didnt play it exactly as Mayhem played it. I love the first wave as well. To me, the norwegian BM has an atmosphere that none of the first wave bands had. With the exception of later Bathory.

[BenjiAJ]

@embracedbyfrost I appreciate what these Christian bands are doing in Norway, where there is an entrenched subculture which is devoted to black metal. The Satanic bands indoctrinate the youth with the idea that to recover their heritage they need to revert to paganism, and that Christianity is an enemy of their indigenous culture because of its origin in the Middle-East. We Christians deny this, and proclaim the Nazarene as supreme.

[embracedbyfrost]

@BenjiAJ I dont think i like you very much. Ive studied enough religion, culture, history, psychology and sociology etc. to form my own opinions about what is truth. Though i have a lot of respect for true christians, I am not a christian. I like Jesus and what he stood for but like I said, ive studied enough to form my own opinions.

[BenjiAJ]

@embracedbyfrost We need to send a message to Normay - a new Crusade - that Christ, his blood shed on the cross, is the only means of atonement that God has given the entire human race. The Jewish Messiah is the World's Redeemer and he is alone is God Incarnate. That is the essence of the Christian Gospel.

[embracedbyfrost]

@BenjiAJ The "christians" came to Scandinavia and destroyed their land. They murdered its people if they did not convert. Forcing foreign ideas on anothers culture is the definition of evil. People since the time of Jesus have butchered his teaching and turned it into something its not. If Jesus were alive today i think he would be disgusted with the so called Christians. Its really ironic that the harsher the music gets, the more dedicated the members are to Jesus instead of religion.

[BenjiAJ]

@embracedbyfrost The Sons of Northern Darkness were the last of the Europeans to bow the knee to my master the Nazarene. Today there is a reaction against Christianity in Scandinavia and that is why so extreme a form of music as is blackmetal has become an entrenched part of the Scandinavian subculture - hence the rise of bands like Bathory, Immortal, Darkthrone, etc. Indeed it's many an inroad into the mainstream and that form of music bares its fangs and hisses quite readily at the Gospel.

[BenjiAJ]

@embracedbyfrost 'made' an inroad - I meant - typo in the earlier posting. To us, the baring of the fangs and the hissing directed at our Master by bands such as Dimmu Borgir is a declaration of war against Christianity. This calls for a new crusade because they are questioning the supremacy of our Lord and the right that Christianity should supply the charter for any civilization worthy of the name - whether European, Asian or otherwise. cont'd

[BenjiAJ]

@embracedbyfrost Since they have openly declared war on our Christian ideals and beliefs, we must recognize them as they enemy they are - and have made themselves to be. What was the burning of Fantoft Stave Church but a declaration of war against the Nazarene? They have sown the wind; let them reap the whirlwind. They don't apologize for their mockery so let the chips fall where they may. They have dared us to respond and so we do; in the name of Christ. This is Crusade.

[embracedbyfrost]

@BenjiAJ do you know why the churches were burnt in the first place? at least some of them. its because when the "christians" came, they built the churches directly on pagan holy sites. While i do not agree with their actions, putting a building on top of another cultures holy sites is wrong. I can see to an extent why some of the churches were burnt.

[BenjiAJ]

@embracedbyfrost Whether that was the case or not, one cannot say unless one can find reputable historians who would agree with that view. In any case, that church had stood on that site long enough for it to enjoy the protection of the law. Given this, the burning of that church was still a criminal act, since we can hardly think of the people whose site was desecrated as having deputized the arsonists to burn down the chuch. They were destroying part of the Christian heritage of Scandinavia.

[embracedbyfrost]

@BenjiAJ there is no christian heritage in Scandinavia or anywhere. its nothing more than a mask to cover all the destruction and crime christians did to the world. Another prime example is the natives who once lived in North America.

[navas015]

@embracedbyfrost exact.

[BenjiAJ]

@embracedbyfrost Those who burned down Fantoft Stave Church acted out of an utter hatred for Christianity, since they would have had to have known that the desecration which they allege to have occurred might not have taken place. They weren't willing to let the due process of the law take its course; they were consumed by their hatred of Christianity. The truth is that paganism is a demonic religion, and no Christian should ever apologize for seeking to end its stranglehold on any culture.

[BenjiAJ]

@embracedbyfrost To the extent that Scandinavia moves away from Christianity, to that extent will the culture become debased and dehumanized. Hence we who seek to defend Christ and Christianity are in effect redeeming Scandinavian culture. Even Pope Benedict reminded Europe of its Christian roots.

[navas015]

@BenjiAJ Pope Benedict is the leader of the first 'blasphemous' institution that ever existed, and dont take me wrong, there is a lot of good catholic people doing good stuff, but as an institution, the catholic church is very anti-christian. They have used jesus as a weapon to force their beliefs and kill people with other beliefs. By the way, how would you feel if an alien army destroyed your church and built an 'alien' building over it? Thats how the norse pagan people felt.

[navas015]

@navas015 And I'm not saying it was a good reaction, I'm just saying that the people who burnt down churches were trying to preserve what they consider their legit culture. Posibly most of them were also moved by hatred towards Christianity, but as I said, I can "understand" that hate... I do not share their reaction, but I can understand it. And now you promote a "crusade", you promote fighting hate with hate, which is anti-christian.

[Thesortvokter]

Yeah..

[Thesortvokter]

i fucking hate, hate and hate the christian devilworshippers!!

ENEMIES OF MANKIND!!

[gorthoth]

i dont even care i listen to both cause both sides have bands i like

[Thesortvokter]

"God" is merciful:

2 Kings 2:23-25

"23 He went up from there to Bethel, and while he was going up on the way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him, saying, “Go up, you baldhead! Go up, you baldhead!” 24 And he turned around, and when he saw them, he cursed them in the name of the LORD. And two she-bears came out of the woods and tore forty-two of the boys. 25 From there he went on to Mount Carmel, and from there he returned to Samaria."

FUCKING DESPICKABLE BASTARD-"GOD"

[BenjiAJ]

@Thesortvokter I don't think you can lift passages out of the Old Testament and ascribe to them a meaning which they might spontaneously appear to you to have. I'm not sure what those passages mean (or what the Church says about how they are to be interpreted); but that doesn't mean I can't be sure about the moral teaching of the Church. My uncertainty about the true meaning of those passages doesn't falsify my understanding of the Church's moral teaching.

[BenjiAJ]

@Thesortvokter That moral teaching is very clear: even unborn infants are to be regarded as nascent human beings, and should not be aborted even if they are found to be afflicted with genetic deformities (such as Down's syndrome) or other handicaps; and not even are they to be aborted if they are the product of rape. Christianity defends the image of God in all men, even the most defenceless of human beings, so the comparison to the Nazis is most unfair. cont'd

[BenjiAJ]

@Thesortvokter The Nazis killed 6 million Jews in the Holocaust; and were willing to send to their death-camps all sorts of people considered by them to be unworthy of life - the handicapped, Poles, Jews, and so on. Yet the Church defends even unborn infants and is a bulwark against the Culture of Death, defending as it does human life in all of its variety and at every level. Your citation of obscure passages from the OT does nothing to change this resplendent fact.

[BenjiAJ]

@Thesortvokter If you want responsibly to engage with Christianity, you need to present arguments against its moral and theological teaching, which are expressed in doctrine. You shouldn't fixate on passages from the OT which are difficult to interpret, and are ambiguous as to what it is that they ought truly to be understood as communicating.

[Thesortvokter]

@BenjiAJ Fuck you, you are a devilworshipper, and your "holy" book proves it. How about you rather prove to me why your "God" should be considedered good based on his fiendish actions in the old testament?

[BenjiAJ]

@Thesortvokter The passages you reference could be interpreted as suggesting that no tragedy (even the death of children at the jaws of wild animals) could occur without God's exercise of causality. The providence of God embraces evil but God is not thereby rendered culpable for the evil he allows.

[BenjiAJ]

@Thesortvokter God seeks to elicit from us our free response to his offer of fellowship in a world in which evil exists. This is because the pledge of our allegiance to him, if we were to choose to make it under these terms, is thereby made the more sincere, given the fact that it should have been elicited from us in our adversity. The evil is there for us to overcome and in the overcoming of it, our faith is tested, and we ourselves become certain of the sincerity of our profession of faith.

[Thesortvokter]

@BenjiAJ Like I said, you're a devilworshipper. Read the bible.

[BenjiAJ]

Fellow Christians, don't shrink from proclaiming the supremacy of our Lord and Master Christ. If our opponents declare their hatred of us, praise God for this. Let us meet their opposition with opposition. There can be no compromise with those who serve the Devil. They have declared war on us; let us respond in turn by showing ourselves to be unashamed and firm in our hatred of and opposition to their cause. This is crusade. We declare war on the enemies of the Cross of our Master .

[Thesortvokter]

@BenjiAJ Explain to me how I'm a greater sinner for cursing Jahve, than he is for killing children and pregnant women, you christian sheepslave!!

[BenjiAJ]

@Thesortvokter I believe that you are interpreting the Bible in blockheadedly literalistic fashion. You have read the Bible in the light of the historic moral and theological teaching of Christianity. The problem of evil has been adequately addressed in the literature. For a start, why don't you read C S Lewis's "The Problem of Pain'? That might go some way towards helping you to see the right approach that you need to take in dealing with these questions.

[Thesortvokter]

@BenjiAJ There is no moral in the bible. It's the immoral word of a supernatural psychopath. Obey and don't question, or you'll burn in hell. This is what you morons call free will. Just like nazis don't see the problem with Hitler, so neither can christians see the problem with Jehovah. You are devilworshippers, suffering from the Stockholm-syndrome.

End of story.

[Thesortvokter]

"Hellig usvart" - "Holy unblack"

That fucking christian thief came from New Zealand and stole the norwegian black metal concept and used a norwegian title. What a blatant, fucking thieving asshole.

[Westeraria]

i think it is as simple as this. the black metal punks who are really into the image, and really not that much into the music, and they probably dont know more than like 15 bands max, dimmu borgir being one of them of course. And these black metal followers just feel less extreme because there are christian metal bands that play 10 times harsher than any bands he listens to. just grow up, its music, its a form of musicianship, a genre amongst hundreds

[ahudson099]

So many close minded people. True Christianity is not about a religion, it's not even really about the Bible, it's about having a relationship with God and expressing it however you see fit. Music is an art in all shapes in forms, INCLUDING Christian Black Metal, so just let it be what it is and stop stereotyping.

[gtxss]

@ahudson099 christianity is based on the bible my friend. and it shows us how to worship God and what pleases him not just anyway you want. and christianity is a religion. read the bible.

[Thesortvokter]

@gtxss Jahve is the real devil, that's why there was a black metal uprising in the first place. The jewish scumgod is an invader and a slaughterer. And christian black metallers are thieves, stealing a musical concept they couldn't have invented themselves. Fuck all abrahamic evil!

[BenjiAJ]

@Thesortvokter Don't be ridiculous you despicable satanist and blasphemer. Black metal was created out of existing musical structures; hence it was called 'metal' with the term 'black' adjectivally prefixed to it. Christians are no more 'thieving' than someone who writes music after someone else. Thieving occurs when actual plagiarism occurs; and this is not a case of that. And what about the use that Satanic musicians have made of the names from Tolkien's works?

[Thesortvokter]

@BenjiAJ I'm no satanist. I just loathe the creature that behaves WORSE than the devil, namely Jehova himself. Christians could never have come up with the concept of black metal themselves, because the feeling the music portrays stems from a hate towards christendom, and it's totally comprehensible when you listen to it. As for black metallers borrowing names from Tolkien? Who cares, that's not an insult like the christian theft of black metal. Again, I'm no satanist but blasphemer?YES

[BenjiAJ]

@Thesortvokter Why couldn't Christians have come up with their own reason to hate the Devil and his cause, and all he stands for? That was why Christ came into the world: to crush the Devil. You cannot love Christ and what he did without concomitantly hating sin, and all that leads to sin, and the Devil's cause. This isn't incidental to Christian love but fundamental to it. Christianity is about total warfare against evil in all its forms.But let me first deal with your pathetic arguments. .

[BenjiAJ]

@Thesortvokter If the music, as distinct from the lyrical content of the music, stems from and expresses hate, then it is arguable that there is no reason in principle why the music cannot be used by the Christian to express his own hatred of evil. You could avoid this only by supposing that it would be impossible for the music to express hatred (even without reference to its lyrical content) if it doesn't also somehow determine that the object of that hatred should be Christendom. cont'd

[BenjiAJ]

@Thesortvokter Yet supposing this is pathetically stupid in the extreme. Music expresses feelings; and unless there is reason for thinking that feelings of hatred cannot be expressed by a particular form of music unless they are directed towards Christianity, your argument is a total failure. The comprehensibility of Satanic black metal does nothing to undermine the comprehensibility of Christian hatred of the Devil's cause. Get real.

[Thesortvokter]

@BenjiAJ FUCK CHRIST THE TRAITOR who let 40,000 "witches" burn in his name without him lifting a fucking finger to prevent him. FUCK HIS UNHOLY FATHER JAHVE, the notorious childslayer and enemy of mankind, father of all unjust blame and guilt. FUCK THE CHRISTIAN FLOCK, for following these devils in disguise, like brainwashed sheep who have willingly cut off their ability to reflect objectively.

[BenjiAJ]

@Thesortvokter The problems you raise about God permitting or allowing or indirectly causing evil have been addressed in the sophisticated literature treating of these matters. Your invocation of the problem of evil does nothing to solve the problem of your own sin, to justify your own filthy blasphemies against Christ, and to exonerate you as a sinner in the sight of God. Nor does the atheistic worldview of Satanic metal underwrite your invocation of an objective standard of justice. HailChrist

[Thesortvokter]

@BenjiAJ My sin?

I don't accept the christian concept of inherent sin. Who made us sinners? Jahve did! Adam and Eve eats a fruit, and the allmighty, benevolent "God" curses ALL of humanity for this?? That's a fucking insult! I don't accept bearing the guilt of someone else, and I don't accept Jahves punishment WHEN IT WAS HE WHO SUPPOSEDLY CREATED ME THAT WAY!! Besides, what have I done compared to the devil Jahve, who is, by the accounts in your bloody unholy bible, a massmurderer!!

[BenjiAJ]

@Thesortvokter Can't you accept the view that certain tendencies can be inherited? That one can first be induced to have them through environmental conditoning and then pass them on to one's progeny? You are interpreting Genesis in a literalistic fashion, which pays no heed to the traditional teaching of Christianity concerning the origin of sin. You are guilty of your own sin but that doesn't mean you can't inherit a tendency to evil. You are caricaturizing Christian teaching.

[jerry71ify]

Its a contradiction

[SmurfDrums310]

Fuck you

and fuck Christian black metal

[seanfenrir]

the message at the end was dead on. If you actually read the bible and not focus on all the fail in churches you'll see that Christianity has one of the most brutal, intense and harsh holy books of all the religions. Read the story of Job if your skeptical.

[undeadunliving]

@seanfenrir The story of Job is in the Old Testament, which is really the Jewish part of The Bible.

[seanfenrir]

@undeadunliving Christianity is derived from judeism... there is no "jewish part" because it all ties in to itself. Genesis is the old testament but withought that book christianity would be incomplete.

[WhenMineEyesBlack]

Just another RIP OFF...

[embracedbyfrost]

Black metal is supposed to be against the world and its ways. When are you "metalheads" gonna stop letting the world form your opinion of christianity? seems quite hypocritical to me.

[helioncry]

LOL 7:00 well fucking said!! Contradictory just like the Bible. HAHAHAHA!!

[METALDELREINO]

¿Alguien sabe de que artista o banda es la música de fondo que suena al principio del vídeo? Does anyone know of an artist or band is the background music that sounds like the beginning of the video?

[CountYanuki]

if its not about satanic or occult themes or some form, its not black metal. just call it metal or christian metal. fuck!

[brownbikedodo]

This is stupid! Black Metal was meant to be Satanic. That's almost the whole point to it. "For what fellowship do righteousness and lawlessness have? Or what sharing does light have with darkness?"-2 Cor 6:14 Anyone claiming to be Christian wouldn't want anything to do with Black Metal, otherwise your just claiming to be Christian because your scared of what happens after you die. If your gonna be Christian then follow the bible.

[prodigalson56]

@brownbikedodo Its Unblack Metal, so its different :-D

[embracedbyfrost]

@brownbikedodo you know nothing about black metal if you claim it was meant to be satanic. None of the original BM artists were satanic. they were either athiest or Norse pagan.

[helioncry]

@embracedbyfrost You know nothing about Satanism. It's ANTI-CHRISTIAN therefore NOT a religion. Pagans can be Satanic. The Satanic Church is an affiliation of anti-theists and atheists by their own description.

[embracedbyfrost]

@helioncry uh yeah i do know a lot about satanism. I unlike yourself are educated in what i stand against.

[helioncry]

@embracedbyfrost LOL right buddy...

[navas015]

@helioncry therefore not real satanism, but anti-christan and anti-theist ideals. The use of Satan as the "hero" of that ideals was initially a mere provocation towards christianity, because satan, in the bible, is the representation of an evil force that moves men to do things they dont want to do. This new "satanism" treats Satan like the individualism "president" and defends a set of atheistic ideals with a strong hate towards christianity.Btw, original christianity was not a religion either.

[hilasterionside]

If black metal is evil let me play evil black metal

[Aaron329bm]

@hilasterionside evil christian black metal :D

[RaiseL777]

seria bueno k alguien pusiera subtitulos en español

[Chemicalwarfare84]

I like a few Black Metal bands but un-black metal is jsut as intense or even more intense than regular black metal thats my opinon.

[Kath666]

Christian black metal is like  jewish nazis. = Wrong...

[elegycristal]

@Kath666 claro que no tu analogía está errada. ;) DTB

[sgtzero1337]

@Kath666 this is unblack metal. Not black metal

[Kath666]

@sgtzero1337

Exactly. Its wrong.

[numaozone]

@Kath666 clearly you dont understand. its the style of music that they choose to play. they are expressing their love for god, and spreading His word.. in an uncommon way....

[Aaron329bm]

@numaozone SO?

[redruner100]

4:32 maybe Jayson Sherlock.... not sure

[Albricmoonfall]

Posers. Fuck you.

[embracedbyfrost]

These guys believe in christianity in its purest form. Not the evil religion that slaughtered, raped, and brainwashed every human being in their path. Humans taint and pervert everything they touch. The teachings that jesus taught were taken and turned into the most evil religion on the face of the planet.

[trivium666fan]

"I started the whole project because I wanted to shine some light into the darkness. I wanted to offer the black metal community an alternative. A different way of looking at the world."

Translation: "I wanted to put Christianity('shine some light') into someone else's culture in hopes of converting people('a different way of looking at the world')."

[embracedbyfrost]

@trivium666fan if you actually knew what these guys beleive then youd know that he meant exactly what he said. You dont have to be a christian to live by its philosophy. Like he said. it gives you a whole different outlook on life.

[trivium666fan]

@embracedbyfrost

Living by Christian philosophy is living by Christianity. Spreading Christianity into other people's culture is asking people to accept your view of things. You're an idiot, blinded by self-righteousness and cognitive dissonance, if you can't see that.

[embracedbyfrost]

@trivium666fan Not exactly people can have other spiritual beleifs and still live by the things Jesus taught. Horde didnt spread it into anyones culture. He played 1 show at Nordicfest...a christian metal festival. Noone bought his album unless they wanted to hear it. you people need to get your facts straight before making stupid comments.

[navas015]

@trivium666fan He just saw that many black metal was about suicide, darkness in a depressive and a negative way... and then he just offered an alternative... He simply tried to show that there was a different way of looking at the world. Like @embracedbyfrost says, he played only 1 show, and noone bought his album unless they wanted to hear it. Offer is not to impose, therefore people can do whatever they want...

And you dare to call us idiots blinded by self-righteousness... hahaha

[trivium666fan]

@navas015

He took the very definition of black metal (lyrical content being a focus), changed it, decided to call it black metal to get people in that genres fan-base to listen to it. Did I ever say "impose?" No, you're just reading what you want to read because you're as pretentious as the other idiot here. He put his message into a new culture. If Christians go into a new town and put up a church, just because they aren't aggressively converting others doesn't mean it's not their intention.

[navas015]

@trivium666fan sorry man, but I can't find anything wrong in offering something different to people who, in ones eyes, are lost in a negative and a depressive dynamic. Everyone is free to say whatever he/she wants as long as you do it with respect and without imposing anything. I did not type "to impose" pretentiously, it was simply a clarification to support the whole statement. I think you are the only one who is being pretentious here... Peace.

[trivium666fan]

@navas015

Watch "Until the Light Takes Us" and find out what the definition of "black metal" is directly from the creators. Find out what the purpose is, and THEN you tell me if it's still okay.

[sgtzero1337]

@trivium666fan I don't think you understand the point. This isn't black metal. This is (un)black metal.

[DeceptionOfTheState]

@sgtzero1337 You are right... Pilgrim and Anonymous both state that their music sounds like black metal but that it can be called whatever people want really. Anonymous calls it 'holy unblack metal' in the video.

[bogdan9875]

What's the name of the intro song? :X

[Pestilentich]

The genre name is blurred. and should be changed.

[CRUSHER2983]

06:26 THIS IS MY POINT OFVEIW ON THE CHRISTIAN BLACK METAL.THINK ABOUT IT GIVE ME YOUR FEED BACK NO CRAP ONLY IF YOUVE GOT GOOD COMMENTS AND NOT ANY ATHEIST COMMENTS OR ANTI CHRISTIAN COMMENTS PLEASE.I AM CHRISTIAN AND I STAND STRONG ON FAITH AND I LIKE METAL MY VEIW IS IF ITS GIVING GLORY AND PRAISE TO GOD THEN ITS NOT EVIL AT ALL.FOR ALL OF THOSE WHO CONDEM CHRISTIAN BLACK METAL YOUR FORGETTING THIS MAY BE THE ONLY WAY TO SPIRITUALY REACH SOME PEOPLE. TAKE IT TO HEART

[kingkurse]

@CRUSHER2983 hey capt. caps, go go have sex with a tree

[trivium666fan]

@CRUSHER2983

The creation and the leaders of the black metal community at its inception burned down churches. Christian black metal is a contradiction.

[DemilichFan]

Black Metal is an established form with certain principles embedded in it. It can be unholy, Satanic, prideful, individualistic, grim and melancholic, etc., but it cannot be Christian, and the Christians who are in these bands know this. So they are just aping a style that doesn't belong to them in order to claim new territory. Sometimes their words directly indicate this, as with this Anonymous fellow, who is an unabashed propagandist.

[embracedbyfrost]

@DemilichFan ever read a lot of these bands lyrics?....pretty fucking black metal.

[trivium666fan]

@embracedbyfrost

Christian Black Metal lyrics aren't brutal. I've heard Misfits songs more brutal than Christian black metal lyrics.

[DemilichFan]

They copy a style (or, at least, their poorly-conceived notion of what the style is) and then put Christian words in it. Such a pointless thing to do. Believe in Christ all you want, but if it's not unholy it's not BM. Even the main dude from Horde said that. So, admittedly they are just copying a style. In so doing, they relegate BM to just another style anyone can adopt. Playing this kind of music with Christian vocals is right on the fringes of joke band territory.

[Iklickstein]

this is complete bullshit, black metal was founded on the basis of individuality, self-empowerment, and evil

nsbm, christian black metal, and other such bands with extreme ideologies should not even be considered black metal

[embracedbyfrost]

@Iklickstein youve never read alot of the bands lyrics then.... sorry buddy. They arnt going around forcing beliefs on anyone. whoever wants to listen, listens. whoever doesnt...they dont. whoever goes to the show, wants to go to the show. whoever doesnt..doesnt. You people have no idea what christian black metal is about. youve never met these artists and talked to them. so come back with when you know what the fuck yer talking about.

[Mosh4Yesh777]

I actually talked to a guy from Norway once about black metal, and he said that it's not fair for Satanists to claim that black metal is their invention. He believes that black metal is a style and Satanists just tend to like it better than thrash or death. He even credited Horde (the first Christian black metal band ever) as one of the key founders to the style of black metal. So Christians have a claim to it too. :)

[xXxThrasherxXx360]

I had a discussion with a Satanist a few days ago and at first i though he looked like normal guy & he came up to me & he said "why are you a christian?" i told him because i choose to be no one told me to. then i asked him what about you "Satan" he said he did not like organized religion ,but does not hate the people.i asked him about BM and CBM he said that CBM was "bull sh**,but who ever made rules to any metal is just another natzi" we were both open minded and respectful when we discussed.

[kiljaeden2222]

Thanks for uploading. What's the name of the intro song?

[embracedbyfrost]

@kiljaeden2222 In the depths of dreams unconcious by Crimson Moonlight

[ThaddeusCorn]

@TurboInfidel

Fair, but I would argue that as Black Metal moved away from it's roots in Satan lyrically you could argue that Black is simply a description of the feelings related to it or the sound and look.

Nazi conspiracies are the worst.

[ThaddeusCorn]

When Nicolaus of Pantokrator says the only defining feature of Black Metal is that it's Satanic he's either ignorant or lying. Black Metal does have it's own sound and aesthetic and doesn't have to be Satanic.

Either way the whole idea is silly. A friend of mine is a devout Catholic and listens to Black Metal. He's given Christian Metal a listen but hates it because it's "garbage."

The idea that the music one consumes must line up with their beliefs is about as childish as one can get.

[gymcoach15]

I think black metal can be used any way you want to make it. These bands are doing a wonderful thing for God and spreading the gospel this way. Most Christians are accepting this but you do have those finger pointing, judging,so-called Christians that still call it satanic music.

[metalklown]

I support their right too play metal, but if they are going too play THIS kind of metal, they should call it something else. White metal, maybe? haha. Too call this black metal is blasphemy.

[xXxThrasherxXx360]

@metalklown i had a discussion about this with a band called "The synics awakening" and i read this thing with this band called "Bedeiah." Bedeiah s wanted to call it Blood metal. "The Synics awakening" said they wanted to call it " Divine Black Metal" i wanted to call it bleak Metal ,but that just my idea. Not sure were you get the blasphemy part ,but do share why you think it is blasphemy.

[SirLloydofSparta]

No fuck this filthy christian shit! Its called BLACK METAL. Its supposed to be dark and evil thats what black is! Any christian who wants to listen to or play black metal nedds to have their heads torn off and start ripping out bible pages and shovin them down their pulsing open neck holes!

[xXxThrasherxXx360]

@SirLloydofSparta you should see "Until the light takes us" part 6 fenriz from darktrhone says it him self "its Every ones Property" "its out of your fucken hands"

[SirLloydofSparta]

@xXxThrasherxXx360 thats the opinion of one man. Simply because he says that doesnt make it true. No black metal fan should play gospel just like no christian should play black metal. They are doing what they've always done. Something contradicts them and starts getting big so they try to make it stale and sabotage it

[embracedbyfrost]

@SirLloydofSparta I think you need to read the lyrics to these bands. The black metal sound and feeling definatly fits what these artists sing about. Why people are so close minded is beyond me. im really sick of it.

[embracedbyfrost]

@SirLloydofSparta black metal is not for close minded people...

[punkr]

Finally. I was wondering when this was going to be released in any way.

[coertvanmourik]

The subject is interesting, but the documentary is pretty bad unfortunately.

But thanks for uploading it anyway.

[MrXXsonnicXX]

Thank You very much for that upload.

I´ve been blessed many times throu Christian Death Metal Lyrics and Music and was inspired throu it by the holy spirit. It´s a great oputunity to bring the truth on dark places. Hail to the King! Hail to the Son of God! Hail to Jesus Christ! Blessed be the name of the Lord!!! He has overcomes the death and raised from death to life! May God bless everyone who´s reading that! And also warm greetings from Germany to all Christian Metal listener!

[CHARRRLII14]

@MrXXsonnicXX i wish i had more hands , so i can give this status more thumbs up .

[erlosungmetal]

Haha, I love this, now I've seen "Untill The Light Takes Us" and "Light in The Darkness"

[thekcor]

THANK YOU FOR UPLOADING!!!!

[satanshalldie]

i really hate the term Unblack though. Black metal is black metal

[navas015]

@satanshalldie agree 100% with your comments.

[progemetalheadbanger]

@satanshalldie Not when it's Christian (sorry, just had to.. ^^ )

Nothing against Christian metalmusic which happens to sound a lot like Black Metal, I actually play in a band which partly sounds like that :)

Looks like a good document though.

[civilizationsdead]

@progemetalheadbanger im still gonna disagree.

[sw0rd0fadvers1ty]

@satanshalldie Yeah, I also think it creates a divide between the bands that might not have to be so conspicuous. It might almost come across as arrogant.

[punkr]

@satanshalldie I agree. Black metal doesn't have to be evil lyric-wise but as long as the music is dark and sinister.

[satanshalldie]

that was great. this needed to be made so people can understand what the christian black metal is meant to be.

[navas015]

WOW! Nice job guys.... Very very interesting......