Man made climate change atheists COP15 is political church, not scientific

[nonsulen]

Carbon dioxide is food for plants, it is part of the elements of life. The more Carbon dioxide the greener the Earth. Down with the Carbon Nazis.

[bofors7715]

Watch videos by Lord Monckton for an excellent debunking of AGW.

[blabby102]

@bofors7715 And there are plenty of videos debunking Monckton's pseudoscience. Not to mention the worldwide scientific consensus. These so called climate change skeptics are proposing valid arguments. They have been considered by the scientific majority but the science shows the real facts of AGW.

[acidgawd999]

What some of the scientists who are not shills for the energy interests have to say about AGW.

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[Daniel44125]

They are shills for governments and the UN. Shills for GE which is a green energy company.

[acidgawd999]

@Daniel44125

They are doing their jobs as climate scientists. I doubt they are willing to work for free.

Who is a shill for GE and what evidence do you have of this?

[Daniel44125]

Yeah they wont work for free and as I stated money was a big driving factor. They can derive income from a college like Lindzen does. These are government shills. The biggest funder is government the US spent 70 billion on it. Nobody would want that cash cow to go away.

[acidgawd999]

@Daniel44125

Doing good research does not make you a shill and there are plenty of climate scientists that support the consensus on AGW and do good research.

Lindzen on the other hand can't even get his denialist cohorts to support his work.

[Daniel44125]

I don't care if they are all shills. Taxes won't make things cooler and as I stated before its much cheaper to adjust over time as needed and allow the third world to grow economically. Starvation is a much bigger issue and it is here now and not based on a flawed theory

[Daniel44125]

See my last statement. It does not matter. Its not a crisis. The only ocean rising we will have is from the tears of you alarmist sheep.

[acidgawd999]

LOLOLOLOL

Ian Plimer is a fraud.

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Tom Harris is a shill for energy corps.

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I wonder how many more frauds and shills are on this list of "scientists".

[Daniel44125]

@acidgawd999 Don't you think getting money from governments,which spend far more is just as if not more corrupting?

I have read the emails from the CRU and many show their key motivations were funding. Global warming is the fraud.

[acidgawd999]

@Daniel44125

I trust the government which can impose just about any tax it wants for just about any reason it wants over companies like exxonmobil and phillip morris.

I have yet to see any evidence that would prove global warming is a fraud. The hacked emails certainly aren't evidence against AGW.

[Daniel44125]

@acidgawd999 The ones on the news aren't all of them. If you read them you will see money is a primary motivation. The fact that the past 9 years have cooled and past 15 haven't warmed doesn't mean anything to you? Its not a crisis and we need to stop polluting in other ways but CO2 is not polluting

[acidgawd999]

@Daniel44125

Ack, not this tired old argument.

"The eight warmest years in the GISS record have all occurred since 1998, and the 14 warmest years in the record have all occurred since 1990."

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Who is feeding you this global cooling propaganda?

[Daniel44125]

@acidgawd999 I don't just read the news and the press releases. Try looking at the reports themselves. Many of the press releases contradict the data.

Further more 3.5 million people starve due to high costs yearly. Not a smart idea to grow corn for ethanol. This kills people in third world countries. There has been tons of food riots in Mexico because of rising corn product costs.

[acidgawd999]

@Daniel44125

The reports support the fact that global warming has continued after 1998.

I am not sure what food costs have to do with this conversation.

[Daniel44125]

Even if AGW is true it is a slow process that would be cheaper to adjust to over time then attempt to address now. 1 foot of ocean rising over 100 years wont be that bad. We have had that in the last century.

[bofors7715]

@Daniel44125

AGW is absolutely not true. The planet has been cooling for past ten years, something similar happened between 1940 and 1960.

Furthermore increasing CO2, does not cause global warming, rather the opposite is true. CO2 is released from the world's oceans as they heat up. The heating is, of course, due to variations in the Sun.

The "evidence" that proves AGW is falsified. Climate scientists have been paid to cook the records and their computers models fail.

[acidgawd999]

@Daniel44125

And if you like it in video form:

watch?v=QwnrpwctIh4

[Daniel44125]

@acidgawd999 Your the one being fed propaganda. I watched video lectures from Richard Lindzen at MIT. He seems to agree with me.

[acidgawd999]

@Daniel44125

Lindzen is also a shill for the big energy interests.

"Ross Gelbspan reported in 1995 that Lindzen "charges oil and coal interests $2,500 a day for his consulting services; his 1991 trip to testify before a Senate committee was paid for by Western Fuels, and a speech he wrote, entitled 'Global Warming: the Origin and Nature of Alleged Scientific Consensus,' was underwritten by OPEC." (cont.)

[acidgawd999]

(cont.) "("The Heat is On: The warming of the world's climate sparks a blaze of denial," Harper's magazine, December 1995.) Lindzen signed the 1995 Leipzig Declaration."

Lindzen described Exxon Mobil as "the only principled oil and gas company I know in the US." "They have a CEO who is not going to be bamboozled by nonsense," he adds. Professor Lindzen wants the debate on global warming kept alive.

Just google 'factsheet lindzen'.

[Daniel44125]

Of course too intellectually impotent to understand what I was talking about. You can make accusations about Lindzen but I have read and still am reading the emails that pretty much spell out the motives of your climate priests.

Further Russian scientists are saying today that CRU is not using data from many of their weather stations that contradicts global warming I bet that goes on all over. In fact some of the emails elude to them doing this.

[acidgawd999]

@Daniel44125

"Of course too intellectually impotent to understand what I was talking about."

Not intellectually impotent, just not willing to talk about a subject that has no bearing on the conversation. Of course, if we are going to bring food prices into a conversation about AGW then it should be to point out that the prices will be much higher in the years to come when there are many more deserts.

The CRU isn't the only research unit in the world studying climate.

[Daniel44125]

It funnels a lot of the info to other research unit which all mostly government funded. They wouldn't even allow their data to be looked at. Phil Jones had to step down for a reason.

All evidence shows there would be more precipitation in the atmosphere if there was warming. Not to mention areas that are cold and don't grow as well will be able to have longer seasons. I think you need to start thinking for yourself and get out of the alarmist mindset.

[acidgawd999]

"All evidence shows there would be more precipitation in the atmosphere if there was warming. Not to mention areas that are cold and don't grow as well will be able to have longer seasons. I think you need to start thinking for yourself and get out of the alarmist mindset. "

I think you are the one who needs to start thinking for himself. I provided data that thoroughly refutes your claims and you provide me with a shill like Lindzen.

[caveatimptor]

The way I see it, this is Intellectual Prostitution a Faustian pact with politicians and vested interests cry wolf about the climate catastrophe loud enough and Academic Institutons are sure to secure bucket loads of research funding and the Leaders of these institutions get to hob knob with the Head of GE (Immelt) and even The President Obama himself will come and visit

Sadly, Intellectual Prostitution is what ClimateGate is all about. Follow the money.

[danillum]

"Demand separation of science and government..."

Governing is a science.

[Daniel44125]

@danillum Governing is manipulation of public emotion.

Science is not manipulating data for political religion or emotional whims. Science is open debate while allowing your data to be reviewed so others can replicate your experiment and check your homework.

I have read emails that clearly show political money and personal vendetta was more important then science. They denied people raw data so that they couldn't get their homework checked. That isn't science.

[Daniel44125]

@danillum If the purpose of science is to enrich the knowledge of all man for profit or education.

You can't have science falsifying data and making myths. That is a religion or cult.

When the body funding your research obviously wants a particular result to your studies Don't be surprised what result you get

It would be insulting to you if creationist were manipulating science/scientist in this manor

The difference is creationist don't have the monopoly of force over society as a whole.

[danillum]

"It would be insulting to you if creationist were manipulating science/scientist"

Discovery Institute

[Daniel44125]

@danillum Right.......and they have the monopoly of force over you like the government has?

[LiberalsAreRapists]

I don't see how atheists support this leftist theocracy or their god Obama.

[carlfinkle]

Note the use of all the pejorative terms at the end of this hit piece with the intonation of her speech.

It is in this "unlikely" looking setting that the climate change skeptics are holding "their alternative meeting" Its a far cry from the 15,000 strong conference just a few kilometers just down the road

[Daniel44125]

@carlfinkle I noticed that.

Watching Doctor Strangelove lol

[MilitantPeaceist]

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[MilitantPeaceist]

I am a Sth Australian, born in Adelaide.

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And no - your down ratings are comparitaive to how the world view is to this type of skepticism.

[MilitantPeaceist]

In fact I invite you to watch the whole series of videos, a climate scientist has made, on this exact topic.

It starts here

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[honestann]

1: higher temperatures cause CO2 increase, not the opposite.

2: temps have fallen the past 10 years while CO2 continues to rise.

3: periods of much warmer/cooler weather (and higher/lower CO2) have existed over 20,000+ years.

4: planets warm/cool together, which means warming/cooling is primarily caused by the sun.

We need 100% separation of science and state.

Government funded science == propaganda.

Plants absorb CO2 and emit O2.

Hang climate totalitarians.

End lies & pollution.

[BaileysBeads]

1: This myth is caused by the length it takes for CO2 to be embedded in ice cores. CO2 leads temperature, it doesn't foolow.

2. Where did you even get this from, temperatures have been broken lots of times in the last decade.

3: Yes higher temperatures have existed in the past 20k years, just not carbon concentrations this high.

4. Saturn and Pluto are warming faster than Earth right now. There's no pattern between the planets themselves.

[Daniel44125]

@BaileysBeads I haven't down thumbed you. I could easily delete you if that was my intent.

The emails on the news are just part of the picture and the investigation is a fraud.

Pluto has an elliptical orbit that wouldn't make it a good planet to even analyze. Saturn creates in own heat so it wouldn't be a planet to use either. The inner rocky planets are warming as well and would be the ones to watch for correlation. Naming any of the gas giants would as scientific proof is retarded

[BaileysBeads]

The science behind global warming is overwhelming what more do these idiots want?

[Daniel44125]

@BaileysBeads Wake up sheep man. You have been brainwashed. You would think the recent hacked emails would have warned that there is something not right here. I suggest you watch all my global warming vids. Take the pill and get out of the matrix

[BaileysBeads]

The hacked emails meant nothing. Two quotes taken severely out of context. You only want to believe that there's something wrong with them.

All this disinformation being spread makes me sick.

[Daniel44125]

@BaileysBeads Those emails and what was shown on the news doesn't even scratch the surface. You should go download them for yourself.

Climate change is the disinformation.

Just take a look at how its being sold to us

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[BaileysBeads]

I've read the emails in full, thanks.

There's nothing wrong with them.

[Daniel44125]

@BaileysBeads and you exposed yourself as a fraud. There are thousands of emails. I doubt you have read them all.

Brainwashing worked well on you

[BaileysBeads]

I have read the ones that have been picked out as fraudulent. Guess what? No fraud.

I'm glad that the current investigation is carried out by people who actually READ the emails.

Oh and by the by, you down thumbing my comments is a rather obvious attempt at censorship.

[honestann]

@BaileysBeads: No, you mean you are happy that the UN chose someone to "run the investigation" who has been a long time, very loud advocate of global warming hysteria and global totalitarian government as the solution.

This is the biggest fraud in the history of mankind, and you are partly responsible for being a fan-boy and apologist of the new-world-order totalitarian government predators trying to become permanent slave-masters of every human on earth. And they admit this openly, BTW.

[Daniel44125]

@honestann Not to mention there weird population control documents like agenda 21. These guys are the kind that wouldn't mind using force to reduce it. These brainwashed folks wont wake up until they are getting a boot to the head from their newly founded green dictatorship or being forced into a gas chamber.

[Daniel44125]

@honestann /watch?v=iCuE0c9ayaY

[Daniel44125]

@BaileysBeads and down rating my video is also an attempt to censor

[Daniel44125]

@BaileysBeads /watch?v=iCuE0c9ayaY