I'm androgenous. And I'm short. But I'm a man and I'm not gonna drop my style even once I get on T. I'm proud of who I am. I want to be lean and heathy, and cut. Not big and bulky. I only want to "pass" as a pretty goth bisexual guy. XD
The irony is if you trained your voice to be deeper (would need some work) / took T you'd already begin to pass your face looks masculine enough to me (I'm no expert)... Do you by any chance belong to a heavy metal band? Do drugs? Drive a van? Wear tye-died shirts? Sit around thinking about the meaning of life? Or are you going to just shatter ALL of those stereotypes too :p
The word "Transgender" itself does NOT in any way imply physicality. Gender is all in our heads, SEX is what's between our legs. Transgender and transexual are two completely different concepts. A lot of people are confused/ignorant to this. My suggestion: ignore these people.
Hey,Sam,I'm an ftm as well, pre op as well, and i agree with everything you're saying, men dont have to be big and MANLEY!. TT. I hate people like that. If you have msn or yahoo I'd be glad to talk to you, I have a friend, Aki-kun, who's ftm as well. So just so you know, I'm here for you. -hugs comfourtingly- I'm androgenous as well. Oh and I'm 15 btw, almost 16, for reference.
Thanks, Kevin. I'm familiar with all 3 and I belong to one of them. I'm not much of a participant there, though I do read others' posts. I'm still learning how to take what I need from it and leave the rest, you know?
I never feel at home on any of those boards either. It's weird how rigid and downright ignorant and stupid people can be. They should know what it feels like to be on the outside. Don't feel alone about this, heh. Sometimes it feels like they are so obsessed with "passing" that they cut out pieces of themselves that our culture won't accept in our binary gender system. I mean if they want to play those roles, that's fine.. but they shouldn't act like that's the only way to be.
I totally agree with you in reguards to the full spectrum. Being trans is more about who you are inside yourself than your total exterior apearance.
Within the les/bi/gay/trans community you will also find a full spectrum of opinions, from gays who will never accept transwomen and lesbians who will never accept transmen and visa versa.
Equally often ignored is the fact that there is a diffence between gender identity and sexual preference.
I came myself with similar conclusions like you, but from other side of fence... also, I am not sure would I like to join any group in the future, because a lot of trans ppl are so rigid, they say, you are male or female, period.
my advice to you is to keep on searching. look around online for groups directed at genderqueer, no-ho/no-op, and/or pre-transition people exclusively. I've seen a handful on LiveJournal and Yahoo! Groups. there are more people like you than you think, and personally I would like to see you feel understood and supported rather than alienated.
I appreciate your acknowledgement of my need for support, but I don't want to belong to any groups at this time. If people want to befriend and support me on here, or elsewhere, that's fine. But for now, I won't be joining any groups.
fair enough. please at least accept that I was not at all trying to be an ass. what max says in his video is correct-- I personally think that what you're talking about is a problem common to a lot of groups, online and off, not just FtM or TS/TG groups.
you seem to be directing a lot of resent, hatred, and judgment towards me (and/or all FtM men) that you actually feel toward the moderator and the individuals in that specific group. at least clarify what your grievances are towards the comment I left, I did not mean any harm.
I don't have hatred for ftm's. I do resent the mindset that SOME ftm's have. I admit to judgment, but we are ALL guilty of judgement (including the guys that judged me based on 1 or 2 paragraphs I wrote about myself in an online group)...
I thought I was in a safe place there, based on the description of the group and it turned out not to be a safe place for me. I am still healing from this, believe it or not. It seems that my grievance towards you was based on a misunderstanding. Now that you have a clear idea of the type of group it was, can you at least see why I felt jilted by them?
There is a spectrum between male and female, and then within that spectrum, there is a spectrum of variances in the trans community. None of us are (or should we aspire to be) cookie cutouts of each other; we all have unique characteristics. I think that rigid ideas about gender hurt us all. Maybe I'm the only one who thinks this way.
I'm androgenous. And I'm short. But I'm a man and I'm not gonna drop my style even once I get on T. I'm proud of who I am. I want to be lean and heathy, and cut. Not big and bulky. I only want to "pass" as a pretty goth bisexual guy. XD
JaydenTheJackal 1 year ago
Cool. I really relate to you.
Oh and, I'm English, and that was a damn good English accent you did when you said "Where's my teleprompter?" Seriously!!!
GiantBlueDragon 3 years ago
It's true, you do look like you could be a man as well as a woman. YOur face is kind of masculine.
Rh1no1 3 years ago
The irony is if you trained your voice to be deeper (would need some work) / took T you'd already begin to pass your face looks masculine enough to me (I'm no expert)... Do you by any chance belong to a heavy metal band? Do drugs? Drive a van? Wear tye-died shirts? Sit around thinking about the meaning of life? Or are you going to just shatter ALL of those stereotypes too :p
AldinTheMad 3 years ago
YOU ROCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
chancely28 4 years ago
The word "Transgender" itself does NOT in any way imply physicality. Gender is all in our heads, SEX is what's between our legs. Transgender and transexual are two completely different concepts. A lot of people are confused/ignorant to this. My suggestion: ignore these people.
Galwaygrrl21 4 years ago
Hey,Sam,I'm an ftm as well, pre op as well, and i agree with everything you're saying, men dont have to be big and MANLEY!. TT. I hate people like that. If you have msn or yahoo I'd be glad to talk to you, I have a friend, Aki-kun, who's ftm as well. So just so you know, I'm here for you. -hugs comfourtingly- I'm androgenous as well. Oh and I'm 15 btw, almost 16, for reference.
cHeSoLuEm 4 years ago
it seems fucked up to me that having lived in female bodies that they want to perpetuate gender stereotypes
krissy4nik 4 years ago 3
hey, here are some livejournal groups that should be welcoming. there are many others but these are just some ones i know of:
our_own_path
genderqueer
femme_ftm
i'm a member of these three groups and people are very friendly there. :)
kevinsaurus 4 years ago
Thanks, Kevin. I'm familiar with all 3 and I belong to one of them. I'm not much of a participant there, though I do read others' posts. I'm still learning how to take what I need from it and leave the rest, you know?
SamC74 4 years ago
I never feel at home on any of those boards either. It's weird how rigid and downright ignorant and stupid people can be. They should know what it feels like to be on the outside. Don't feel alone about this, heh. Sometimes it feels like they are so obsessed with "passing" that they cut out pieces of themselves that our culture won't accept in our binary gender system. I mean if they want to play those roles, that's fine.. but they shouldn't act like that's the only way to be.
pointatthemoon 4 years ago 3
I totally agree with you in reguards to the full spectrum. Being trans is more about who you are inside yourself than your total exterior apearance.
Within the les/bi/gay/trans community you will also find a full spectrum of opinions, from gays who will never accept transwomen and lesbians who will never accept transmen and visa versa.
Equally often ignored is the fact that there is a diffence between gender identity and sexual preference.
transbekka 4 years ago
I came myself with similar conclusions like you, but from other side of fence... also, I am not sure would I like to join any group in the future, because a lot of trans ppl are so rigid, they say, you are male or female, period.
genderinevolution 4 years ago
anyhow, good luck on whatever path you choose. if I can be of any help, feel free to message me and/or join my channel.
TheDragonGuy 4 years ago
my advice to you is to keep on searching. look around online for groups directed at genderqueer, no-ho/no-op, and/or pre-transition people exclusively. I've seen a handful on LiveJournal and Yahoo! Groups. there are more people like you than you think, and personally I would like to see you feel understood and supported rather than alienated.
TheDragonGuy 4 years ago
*and questioning
TheDragonGuy 4 years ago
I appreciate your acknowledgement of my need for support, but I don't want to belong to any groups at this time. If people want to befriend and support me on here, or elsewhere, that's fine. But for now, I won't be joining any groups.
SamC74 4 years ago
fair enough. please at least accept that I was not at all trying to be an ass. what max says in his video is correct-- I personally think that what you're talking about is a problem common to a lot of groups, online and off, not just FtM or TS/TG groups.
TheDragonGuy 4 years ago
I agree. And I know you weren't trying to be an ass. I'm glad we could discuss this.
SamC74 4 years ago
you seem to be directing a lot of resent, hatred, and judgment towards me (and/or all FtM men) that you actually feel toward the moderator and the individuals in that specific group. at least clarify what your grievances are towards the comment I left, I did not mean any harm.
TheDragonGuy 4 years ago
I don't have hatred for ftm's. I do resent the mindset that SOME ftm's have. I admit to judgment, but we are ALL guilty of judgement (including the guys that judged me based on 1 or 2 paragraphs I wrote about myself in an online group)...
SamC74 4 years ago
I thought I was in a safe place there, based on the description of the group and it turned out not to be a safe place for me. I am still healing from this, believe it or not. It seems that my grievance towards you was based on a misunderstanding. Now that you have a clear idea of the type of group it was, can you at least see why I felt jilted by them?
SamC74 4 years ago
Cool, Max. I look forward to the video.
SamC74 4 years ago
There is a spectrum between male and female, and then within that spectrum, there is a spectrum of variances in the trans community. None of us are (or should we aspire to be) cookie cutouts of each other; we all have unique characteristics. I think that rigid ideas about gender hurt us all. Maybe I'm the only one who thinks this way.
SamC74 4 years ago
(((Hugs))) to you...
Paula
CagedSongBird 4 years ago