Thousands of dog owners are happy with Cesar and his teachings, I am sure. I do not own a dog, but watch the show because I love the techniques he uses and the simple way he explains. Cesar is not just there for dogs, I appreciate his intelligence and enthusiasm for helping people and their lives. Who are these people that have a problem with learning something new? Maybe like someone else wrote, that it is because he is Mexican exposing Americans for their non perfect lifestyles
@AboutDogTraining3 Here ya go: Proof that dogs are hardwired to operate and travel in packs. "It's their ability to hunt as a team that will determine the pack survives." youtube.com/watch?v=4N-7H1sSDck
Dog abuse? What dog abuse? Cesar Millan has saved the lives of many dogs whe had been expelled from every dog training schools because of their violent behavior, dogs who were about to be put "to sleep". Those dog trainers are the real abusers. Dogs need to be dogs, not just human toys.
There's only one reason why most people critize Cesar Millan: they can't accept a Mexican teaching them lessons about their supossedly-perfect American lifestyle.
Millan is naturally wrong. If you read the literature from reliable sources, we find that nearly all the claims he makes about dogs happen to be wrong. Some because he's made it up, others because he is holding on to mistaken beliefs from the 1930s.
@AboutDogTraining3 strangely familiar to the mistaken beliefs you are holding onto from human psychology experiments (Learned Helplessness) from 1934!
@WakeUpArt, your beliefs are so idiotic it's hard to know where to begin countering them. Start by reading the Handbook of Applied Dog Behavior, you will find that helplessness is what Millan's method is all about.
Millan's lack of education means he resorts to violence to control dogs. Because Dunbar understands psychology, he is able to control the dogs without using force.
@AboutDogTraining3 I don't know what show you've been watching then because Cesar doesn't use viloence, he always says he doesn't take his anger or frustration out on the dogs. You would know that if you watched it, so grow up and stop Bull
@TheMightyBoosh94, you have trouble identifying violence. The kicks, the jabs, the choking and jerking an pinning are all examples of violence.. Nowhere in my critique did I write 'anger', I am not talking about what Millan feels, since I don't know. I am only talking about his violent ACTS.
@AboutDogTraining3 I don't know what show you've been watching then because Cesar doesn't use viloence, he always says he doesn't take his anger or frustration out on the dogs. You would know that if you watched it, so grow up and stop the Bull
@AboutDogTraining3 the only flaw in that theory is that Ian Dunbar is not rehabilitating dogs with severe behaviour issues - and Cesar certainly does not use any violence - kicks are taps with the foot furthest from the dog - just a 'snap out of it' measure like a parent would do by grabbing a childs arm or hand if they were going wild. He has never choked a dog and the jerking is another 'snap out of it' technique - and funny enough Dundar was able to find common ground and work with Cesar!
@WakeUpArt , you are mistaken. And Dunbar is not the only person using non physical punisment approach to really rehabilitate dogs, rather than simply manage them as Millan does. The 'snap them out of it" idiocy stems from the false belief that the dogs are choosing to take on this path. Dunbar knows taht Millan has a large audience and explained his reasoning in the dogtime blog. He didn't do it b/c he believes in Millan but rather because it was a good way to get his message to the people.
@AboutDogTraining3 I am certainly Not mistaken! and I never suggested anything about any other trainers. I most definately made no reference to punishment - this is where your ideas are flawed - Cesar doesn't punish dogs, he disciplines. Discipline is the backbone of society - we cannot live communally without it. We discipline our children while loving them; animals discipline amongst themselves while 'loving' each other. As to his blog-Dunbar would not be impressed w/your interpretation!
@WakeUpArt , you don't know what you are talking about. By definition Cesar punishes dogs. Learn what the word punishment means in regards to dog psychology. In fact Millan often fails to punish the dog - due to lousy timing - and simply applies an aversive that is not related to the behavior and simply causes the animal to strike out or shut down. I suggest you read what Dunbar wrote, my take on it is pitch perfect.
@AboutDogTraining3 By definition discipline is not punishment - I have seen Cesar's actions in person & I've never seen anyone with better timing - Ever! I have worked with many species and have lived in the wild with animals - you sir, know not what you speak of. You make so many references to 'modern facts', presume authority comes from particular certifications or education - if this were true we would still be a society believing that our world is flat! The method is balance, as is nature.
@WakeUpArt, there is no such thing as discipline in Millan's world. It is PUNISHMENT. That is what he does and they are aversives. Now, I understand that Millan followers are ignorant of dog psychology and animal behavior but to call it anything else is a lie. Millan is a moron. I've seen him chase and jerk a dog around 60 seconds after the alleged offense. That isn't even punishment - even though it's what he thinks - it is simply abuse and vengeance.
@AboutDogTraining3 10/12/10 Ian Dunbar wrote: "There is nothing in the little book of learning theory that says punishment has to be aversive and I believe it ought not be painful or frightening. I've come to realize that it is possible to punish a dog without any fear or pain, without even raising your voice. Maybe the problem is in the choice of words, perhaps we should call punishment a penalty instead." Hmmmmm - thought punishment was wrong? You are not supporting Dunbar with your rudeness.
@WakeUpArt which automatically leaves out kicks, jabs, choke collars and rope around a dog's neck. Milla's approach is violence and the threat of violence. Pain and it's application. What he euphemistically calls "discipline" Enlightened trainers know you can apply punishment without resorting to violence.
Cesar's theory of the give and take process like being frustrated with your dog will backfire on you by the dog getting frustrated with you, or giving the dog love which he/she will give back to you is so correct!! Ever since I bought my doxie, I have only been showing him much love (as well as discipline) and he always comes up to me with a lot of affection and love. He ALWAYS want to sleep next to or on top of me, lol. Cesar is truly a gift to animals!
Cesar Millan is the best hands down! Anybody who disagrees with me and talks shit on this man saying he's a phony is just a dumbass hater who wishes he/she could be Cesar because of his success with money, fame and dogs. I have seen a a lot of shit talking haters already on here and they can just suck their dog's dick. Maybe after you assholes suck your dog's dick you can give Cesar a call so that YOU, not your dog, can be rehabilitated and find balance you pieces of shit!
@scrillah81 sorry i don't know if you mean we should vote you a thump down if i agree with you, so i still gave you a thump up anyway since i think you are very right .
@peacfulkitty No, I wasn't expecting anybody to give me a thumps up nor down. I just don't like it when people have to say negative things towards others just because they're doing something positive, which contributes humane causes. Cesar Millan is an EXCELLENT dog therapists and he approaches negative situations from angles that other trainers or therapists wouldn't have thought of. I am a dog lover and I truly believe this man is a gift to animals. Thank you for your compassion! :)
@mydogskanskidrums please don't be badass ok ...I have 2 dogs and I have brought them up with the same principles...and now they are the most obedient and wonderful dogs
@1mayleen first exercise your dog..after he/she has rested use calm and assertive energy and the touch cesarean talks about to disagree with your dog...dont get frustrated as it takes time...patience is the key
I hate this man. He's outdated, been proven wrong so many times, but yet he's completely ignorant to how dogs communicate and can't read dog body language to save his life. Everyone on here who likes him, do yourselves a favor and look at the evidence AGAINST him, to make up your own mind. He's an absolute bullshitter most of the time and is quite often very dangerous in his techniques. That's TV.
@joshyb2k Like I said: that's TV, unfortunately. He's charismatic and can pass of things as gospel, but they really aren't. There's been many petitions from real animal behaviourists to persuade NatGeo to take it off the air. Unfortunately, it's great viewing for a lot of people who don't know any different and have never studied canine behaviour. I even used to like it...until I began working/studying in animal behaviour, when I saw the controversy.
@mydogkanskidrums Oh really? Is that why he has all of his 34 or 35 dogs under control? And all of those dogs were dogs with problems or in the streets, but he just seems to not know anything about dogs after seeing those dogs totally under his control? I think YOUR dumbass doesn't know jack shit about dogs you fucking hater! Let's see if you can go up there and do what he does. How many people are calling you for help? WHO ARE YOU???? You're just a dipship hater plain and simple!
@scrillah81 Thanks for your kind words. If you want to believe a TV program, that's your choice, but I'm telling you quite simply that 1) Millan's methods are generally abhorred by in professional dog training and behaviour scene and 2) his methods are nothing knew or unique. Dog behaviour has came a long way in the last 20 years, we have learnt a lot and have discovered that dogs learn better by knowing what behaviours get rewarded rather than being positively punished for 'bad' behaviours...
Respond to this video...His philosophies about pack dynamics and how to correct dogs using a natural communication methods is flawed- it has been researched and the results don't lie. Now, his show does make it look like it works, I use to be an huge fan of Cesar not that long ago. However, it does not show many things and is edited so much that it gives off false concepts and makes them look like they work amazingly well. If you want me to explain, I'll PM happily to let you see.
@mydogkanskidrums And speaking of techniques, I think his, and they are proven, are one of the best! Look how well behaved his 34 or 35 dogs are! When he feeds them, he makes sure they're all under a calm and submissive state before eating. He jogs with all those dogs behind him, not even one ahead of him. You just need stop talking your shit and be positive you dumbass! He's trying to help dogs because he has a passion, but all you do is sit behind your computer and criticize and...
@scrillah81 There's a clip of him 'controlling' his dogs on here and if you look, he's holding food in his hands to make them follow him, so it's not always as good as you think. Also, we never see him controlling his dogs for long periods of time, do we? It's only short clips, which could mean anything quite frankly. I'm just trying to give other people an alternative, more modern theory of dog behaviour. I have to go now, as I have a client to go see.
@mydogkanskidrums ... drinking your soda accumulating calories while doing so. Wow, anybody can do that!! lol. How many people can do what this man does? There may be many, but that doesn't mean you have to criticize and judge this guy as someone as uneducated in his field. Plain and simple, you hate because you can't be at this man's level. You wish you can rehabilitate dogs as quickly and we well as him, but you can't. Since you're inferior to him in dog psychology, you have to talk shit
@scrillah81 Just to let you know, I am a working dog trainer and behaviourist and have experience in rescue environments- one of the biggest in the world. The whole rescue (and all other affiliated organisations around the world) don't use his methods and advise against them and him. There's a reason for this. If you would like to check out a true behaviourist who has been around much longer than Millan, look up Dr Ian Dunbar...he's superb. Change is hard, but Cesar needs to get up to speed.
@mydogkanskidrums OK, I just checked out a few videos of Ian Dunbar, and his approach to dog training/psychology was impressive. He made some very good points, but I still like Cesar Millan because I have read a little about him and found no formal education, which indicates he's a natural! I never said, and will never say, that Millan is the best because they would be absurd, but his techniques work and get the job done and that's what matters the most. Sorry for the insults earlier.
MOLLY MY THREE YEAR OLD POODLE/CHIHUAHUA MIX HAS KILLED SOME OF MY MOM'S BIRDS AND MY OTHER DOGS HAVE STARTED TO ATTACK THE BIRDS TOO. NOW THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO BE IN THE GARAGE WHERE THE BIRDS ARE. BUT I'D LIKE TO TEACH MOLLY NOT TO DO IT AGAIN BECAUSE ITS CAUSING PROBLEMS WITH MY MOM.
Okay, let's not have the petty little fights. We can all agree that Cesar is amazing and is loved all around the world. Everyones styles about animals are different but just watch Cesar Millan because he actually has the best job in the world x <3
schmuck u dont have to curse what are u 12? i dont like to beat up dogs dipshot i do like to beat up ppl who beat there dog and since about 5 seconds i wanna beat u up to schmuck now i gotta go do grown up stuff ya know working...byebye
@waltflanigansDog8, his way is one of the worst way. it doesn't produce reliable results and places the dog in a terrible position where he is punished without ever being instructed.
@AboutDogTraining3 jeez you are really annoying me, you seriously have nothing else to do than let all of us know how much you disike C's method? i got you after the first ten comments!!dont wanna pick a fight but why don't you, seeing you know it all, put up a vid of your own and show us all how it's done oh great one....
@brulldozer, fools like you aren't interested in teh facts. you like the idea of punishment and being the leader... probably because your life sucks in every other way.
@AboutDogTraining3 Wow! I've been reading months worth of comments and you really seem to hold a huge personal grudge against a man that I suspect you have never met - clearly obsessive. Now you have called dominance a myth, while here you suggest that human dominance and rank is obvious and Cesar should submit to Ian Dunbar. Quite an example of hypocracy! By the way, if you read the book and watched the videos of Cesar's time w/Dunbar you would see that he did seek to learn from him!
@WakeUpArt, you are stuck in the 30s just like Millan. That's where the idea of dominance started but those of us who are up to date on modern facts know that dominance hierarchy is a myth. It is simply stupid of you to argue otherwise. From the world leading wolf biologists (which is where the idea comes from) to every other biologist, they have all abandoned this outdated explanation.
@AboutDogTraining3 You were right abt the world leading wolf biologists. Wolves pack in the wild do not have alpha in general. Only breeding male/female, so, they are the leader or parents of the pack. David mech said the term, "alpha wolves" can only be apply to a pack of wolves that are unrelated and fight to be at the top, to lead as an alpha.
@AboutDogTraining3 So, Cesar's way is right. why? since birth, most puppy are taken away from their litter/pack and into somebody else's home which is unrelated to the puppy. So i guess its normal, according to David mech recent research that only in a unrelated pack that they fight to be at the top. So, some dominance dog decided to be at the top and started being aggressive. In the wild, if you wanna be at the top, you fight your way. Cesar wants to be at the top, so he fought their way.
@xiaoquan, actually Millan's way is wrong. There are no pack and dogs don't form pack or have rigid hierarchies. Domestication has also changed the social interaction of dogs so a comparison to wolves can only be made on a limited basis. Mech's research also shows that wolves don't fight their way to the top and that there is very little inter-aggression in the group. When you really look at the facts - i.e research if what he says is true - we find that Millan is wrong.
@AboutDogTraining3 You don't think dogs form hierarchies? What do you have to say about the dogs from Katrina that had to run wild because of their forced abandonment? It was observed that they went straight back to wolf pack behaviour.
In case you read this incorrectly, I'm not being antagonistic. Just curious as to your opinion.
@harrysjulie, the scientific evidence from multiple studies suggests dogs don't form hierarchies.
The dogs from Katrina did not form hierarchies. They formed groups and this has been well described in various studies on feral dogs going back to the early 70s. They did not behave like wolves and they were not a pack.
@AboutDogTraining3 WE'VE GOT A TROLL! ABOUTDOGTRAINING3 IS A TROLL! Usually Trolls were abused or unloved as children. So sad. They resort to abuse ad hominem and can't have a civilized discussion because all they know is how to react abusively. Proof that dogs are hardwired to operate and travel in packs. "It's their ability to hunt as a team that will determine the pack survives." youtube.com/watch?v=4N-7H1sSDck You can't argue with scientific facts, troll. P.S. JESUS LOVES YOU! :D
@waltflanigansDog8, Ian Dunbar wrote of his conflict when he was asked to participate with Millan. He had to weigh the negative influence of Millan's approach vs his popularity and decided that being in bed with the devil was worth because he would be able to inform a lot more people than by not participating.
Here's what everyone has failed to understand. Not once, throughout his whole entire series, has Cesar ever said that his method is the best! He says it just WORKS! His method is not the ONLY way! He does encourage other ways if they do work! Dogs do show dominance by being in front of the whole pack! They show it by not letting you do most things to them. If a human does not take a position for leadership, the dog will. That is a fact. And MsLabMom and AboutDogTraining3... shut...up.
@KidAnime20 if you read up on the follow up as they are described in his book 'The Ultimate Episode Guide" you see that His methods DON"T work. This from the number of dogs that are described as still having the problem years afterwards.
What Millan offers is a force which can momentarily give the illusion of control, real behavior modification gives the dog control but in such a way that he no longer behaves in an undesirable manner.
@AboutDogTraining3 you continue the control and establish a pattern, the dog follows....you on the other hand are frustrated and jealous that this little mexian is making big money and is a tv star..while you suffer with your own limited brain to get out of your pitiful cage, go smell someone ass you bootlicker
@AboutDogTraining3 The only reason dogs would still have problems months or years after Cesar's help, is because the owners don't tend to be consistent. CONSISTENCY! A dog does not take anything to heart, and WILL NOT be the balanced dog an owner wants unless they are obligated enough to make them this way. If his methods DON'T work, why is it that he still has a broadcasting show to this day, and the fact that there are more supporters for him than haters?
@KidAnime20, if millan fancies himself a trainer of people then the fault is his. If the people don't follow up, then it means he didn't train the people correctly.
The real reason is that he is willing to abuse their animals to a degree few owners are willing to take. Millan doesn't balance dogs, he drives them into helplessness. That is the source of the calmness/submission he is always talking about.
Kid, there is a lot of shit on TV, it doesn't mean it is good.
@AboutDogTraining3 Yes, most of the shit on T.V. is bad. I know that much. But what makes a simple touch or poke to the neck or the side is "abuse"? DO I NEED TO KEEP REPEATING MYSELF?! Jesus, you don't pay attention at all. You obviously focus on an outdated way of looking at dogs! I'll bet you've never even bothered to watch his shows. And even if you did, you would be in denial. Of course, people look to dogs for mostly comfort anyway. Helplessness? Are you... fucking kidding me?
@KidAnime20, kicking and jabbing the dogs is abuse. If someone did it to you, they could be charged iwth assault. It is also abusive because it provides no long term solutions - like punching you everytime you are about to take a smoke... once the punching stops the smoking starts. This is proven by his documented failures - most owners aren't willing to hit their dogs as hard as he does.
Pay attention fool - his methods are outdated. look up DOGWELFARECAMPAIGN 'ORG'
@AboutDogTraining3 (Sigh). Yes, kicking and punching another living being is abuse. But cesar uses Touches, not strikes or hits on a dog. If a dog really was physically abused, it wouldn't try to hide it by walking normally when it really needs to limp because of a bruised leg. Dogs never lie, and never hide their feelings. You... you just need to stop thinking of dogs as humans. And whatever about the welfare campaign. People can march all they want, it won't change anything.
@KidAnime20, Cesar Millan kicks. In his own show he has described it as a kick at least once and the people on the show have used the term kick on several occasions. Your argument has already been addressed. Fools like you will subjugate good judgement in face of authority. They helpless dogs, large white eyes, trembling, lying down or fighting for dear life don't lie. Millan is attacking and abusing them.
@KidAnime20, it is the ignorant like you who think these dogs are human and are plotting to take over your life. And I figured you'd have no rational response to all the evidence from Welfare In Dog Training. Fools like you never counter with evidence.
@KidAnime20, yes and his methods rely on helplessness. When an animal is exposed to pain without the opportinity to excape it settles into a state of learned helplessness, where it quietly accepts the pain. This is the key to millan's 'calm/submissiveness'
@AboutDogTraining3 In case you forgot, dogs are predators. They don't try to accept PAIN. No animal will accept pain. They try to survive like any animal. Did you ever meet in person Cesar Millan's pack of dogs at his center? I don't think you did. Answer this: Do you think dogs can pretend to be happy when they may be in actuality upset or fearful of their owner? You know, Dogs CAN be submissive and calm for real. You just choose to see it as "helplessness".
@AboutDogTraining3 If the owners want help so that their dogs do not hurt anyone or anything, including themselves, not to mention, build a much better relationship with their dogs, why the HELL would they allow him to "abuse" their dogs?! If dogs are scared or are actually injured, they WILL show it. They don't try to deceive! Dogs are always honest with the way they feel! And they DON'T hold grudges! That is a human thing! You obviously aren't a kid. Just how old are you?
@KidAnime20, owners are easily duped by the cameras and by Millan's supposed authority. In fact, humans often subjugate their good judgement in the precences of a supposed authority.
Google "Milgram experiment Cesar Millan"
The dogs are scared, until they go into helplessness / tonic immobility. So stop being an idiot.
@AboutDogTraining3 I'll admit, a lot of people do tend to get hyped up over a celebirty because of social authority. And look, I'm not an idiot. But you are not an idiot either. You just have a hard time dealing or accepting with the fact that dogs are dogs. And dogs are not out to rule the world. That's what people want to do. The animals on earth never thrived and never tried to hurt or kill for fun. It is for survival.
@AboutDogTraining3 And about the Milgram.... it's only natural that you become a public icon when you are doing something that amazes a lot of people. Cesar is only human too, like the rest of us. But if... if there are more people that support what may actually be "cruel methods" to dogs... well hey, all people are freakin' lunatics. All we can do is wait until he exposed for what may be... cruelity to animals. But for now, it seems he's been more help than harm to dogs and people so far.....
@AboutDogTraining3 I just now recently read: AVSAB Position Statement on the Use of Dominance Theory in Behavior Modification of Animals in the Dog Lovers Digest.com. Again, people seem to think that dogs are striving for rank. Rank? Strive? A puppy sure as hell can't survive and learn without guidance from it's parents. And Dominance is practiced by other dogs using aggression. Usually the submissive one ends up either dead or just fine. Cesar is practicing dominance without anger. It helps...
@KidAnime20, you don't know shit. Dominance is a myth. And in cases where a dogs are contesting a resource, aggression rarely ever happens. Now stop spouting shit you've heard on TV from a dog groomer. The evidence is clear and does not support any of the claims you've made
@AboutDogTraining3 You know what? No one wants to hear us argue over this. No one wants to read comments that are only about arguments about what is right or wrong about dog rehab. I'll just stop... okay? We will all eventually find out if Cesar is a fraud or not. In the meantime, I'll enjoy the education and entertainment from Cesar. No one seems to support you or MsLabMom. Why? I don't know... you tell me. But I will not respond to you ever again. Everyone, enjoy the show! Sorry! :-)
@KidAnime20, Millan has already been proven a fraud. That's why every learned Vet, Psych, Training and Welfare organization has spoken out against his abusive methods. It is only the poorly informed that still believe his message.
His popularity is not a sign of his competence but rather a condemnation of how the education system has failed a whole generation and made you easy prey for pseudoscience and false experts.
Many of the techniques he encourages the public to try are dangerous, and not good for dogs or our relationships with them . Cesar Millan employs outdated methods that are dangerous and inhumane. Using a choke chain and treadmill to treat fear of strangers and dogs is completely inappropriate. Hopefully the National Geographic Channel will listen to the scientific community and discontinue production of The Dog Whisperer.
@MsLabMom get the hell out a here.........you probably believe in sparing the rod on a child too........fuck the scientific assholes who are deluded by their narrow linear views
the first time i heard there was a program in USA about dog psychology, I thought... wow, americans are crazy... dogs don't need psycologists! Then I got a pet.. and now I feel bad that Cesar doesn't do international visits!
100% I agree my friend and I am glad that finally someone has figured out.: " People are responsible on what happen on Earth... We have to fulfill the nature of everything in a harmonious way to our being for our well being as well as the enviroment tht surround us.
i think cesar is amazing i donmt have any dogs as to busy to give 1 the care and attention they need but i use his tecniecs on other family members dogs and just the simple ones make a big difference go cesar
Well said zenol420, could not have said it better myself. It's hard to people who have trained most of their lives to become a certified Dog Trainer to see a special gift in a person who just loves and understands dogs the way he does.
you dumbass you say your 40 something and yet you know nothing...it's only harsh if they put that collar on the dog and tied her in the back yard and left her there for days and days so much so that it started to cut open her skin and make her bleed. and as a witness to animal cruelty....that choke chain is nothing to what kind of a life she could have had
Thank you for the excellent and intelligent comment, I might think that the way you respond explain my point in a very good way, it's all about what kind of man you are.
as a matter of fact i'm a woman thank you very much and also the only thing you've shown about what kind of man you are is you have low self esteem or are insecure because all you do is put others down with your negativity and constant accusations so that makes me think that 1) you weren't hugged enough or loved enough as a child or 2) you have some sort of secret to training dogs that you think is better than cesar but just refuse to share...I think it's the former
@stevescanadianfan It hurts my heart when a dog in his show clearly is not at all happy, but he claims the dog is happy and glad, and I do not know whether I should cry or laugh when he claims that a dog get greater self-esteem if you lift its tail up in the air, or when he claims a dog will take over your "world" if it walk in front of you on the walk, one can only laugh at something so ridiculous.
Italian veterinary behaviourists agree with the criticism already? made by U.S. colleagues of the American College of Veterinary Behaviorists (ACVB), American Veterinary Society of Animal Behavior (AVSAB) and the Society of Veterinary Behavior Technicians (SVBT): The veterinary behavioral medicine has made continuous efforts to move forward in professionalism, sophistication and technical standards of animal welfare. Millan have accomplished to take animal welfare a big step backwards
Cesar is the best around. thank god for cesar coz before cesar, no one trainer was able to 100% understand and rehabilitate all the problem dogs. what i think makes Cesar the best is becoz he knows that most dogs' problems r created or aggravated by their owners becoz these owners know zilch abot raising an even tempered dog. humans create the problem in our dogs coz we dont understand them.
cesar's ways are the best & most effective methods around! let his success stories speak for themselves
why are you guys hating ? i mean its older yes, but does that mean that its out of date. Before dogs were domesticated they did travel in packs and had a pack leader i agree with millan.
It is his version of the leader that is wrong, and especially wrong in the matter that he thinks dogs only wish in life is to take over the throne from you, that he thinks so is that he is working with an very old perception of dog behavior, and not realizing that today it's more a cohesion between dogs and owner.
Science in latest years shows that dominance only occour in it's true nature between animals from their own race, and is not crossing racial borders,
80200. I read The Dog Whisperer Controversy. Those people are just mad because Cesar's Way is the new best way, and all the dog experts that have over 40 years in the field are pissed cause they know Cesar's methods work. He has never hurt a dog. His physical corrections mimic a dog touching another dog with its snout to let it know a certain behavior is unwanted. The controversy of the the dog whisperer is all BS , they make it sound like Cesar is hitting the dog to achieve a behavior. Haters!!
Actually Millan is doing the same thing they were doing 40 years ago. The same harsh, often painful treatment of animals that proved ineffective in addressing most of the problems featured in his show.
His hits do not mimic dogs. They don't behave this way.
@AboutDogTraining3 really eh ... so dogs don't bit other dogs to show dominance ... when in a pack the alpha dog doesn't defend it's standing by making other dogs submit? a mother dog doesn't pin her pup when he acts out ??? riiiiiight dogs don't behave that way ...
@zenol420 Right on, hit the nail on the head, well put :D I aspire to be a dog behaviorist/trainer/rehabilitator. I believe no way is the right way, all knowledge is valuable, and its important to put your ego aside and stay open. This isn't about you, its about the dog. That said, I adore Ceasar lol.
@zenol420 Maybe they're mad because Cesar is stealing all of their potential customers. Obedience trainers are becoming less necessary for everyday people because Cesar's advice & methods are essentially free. Nobody is going to pay for obedience training & books by "dog psych experts" when the solutions they are looking for exist for free.
i could not agree more, usually the critics talk about cesar is illiterate or other stupid things, like dogs are not wolves and this study says this and that, crap, ignorant, jealous crap........if cesar does things that work, just accept it and celebrate his genuine love for his work, if you have another system, fine use that and quit trying to bring down a good man who has good fortune written all over him............
Show me him beating a dog. I'm pretty sure there's laws against that so unless the government's given him the power to beat dogs, it sounds like a bunch of morons overreacting or killing time
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Type in "Dog Whisperer Controversy" in google and read. His methods are outdated/unscientific. Plain wrong, since the past 35 years Dog Psychology has picked up and is advancing every day.
I have a dog that I'm afraid of, but i handle him using cesar's rules. they do work,they just take time,just like everything else in the world. on day my new dog went to far and started playing very roughly. i took him and pinned him to the ground,it took so time but he got the messege.
and any pack you see the leader is always in front,ALWAYS! or else, how would the followers get to where the leader wants to go? he treats them like dogs mothers would.
So you are stronger than your dog and you can force him or threaten him into compliance. I can do that with any animal or person If I had the legal freedom to beat them up.
Dogs do not pin each other. They never have and the abuse supporter can't provide a single documented case of it happening.
You are not treating a dog like a mother would, you are simply abusing it.
When LD Mech was studying wolves, he noted there was no meaning to a dog. In fact "leadership" is so subtle (ie. not the guy in front) that it takes a long time to figure it out when observing a wolf family.
Others who have studied wild dogs, have said that being first has no social significance
That's science. Reality, not the claims of a guy who never even went to college. Did he even graduated from HS?
You sound jealous that hes so sucessful. Theres more then one way to skin a cat. I think you resent him because hes sucessful and your not? dont be a hater !
You just dont like him because he's self taught . He didnt learn his methods by reading a book like most dummys learn. He can write the books for the intelectual know it alls that need that. Dont hate!!! learn from him.
@MillanBeatsDogs I'm sorry to tell you this but not one time has cesar said there is only 1 pack leader yes out in the wild theres only one pack leader but with a family pet its up to the entire household adult and children alike have to be calm and assertive pack leaders
@isolatedmynde., you are an idiot. Studies show that there is no fixed hierarchy and that there is no such thing as an alpha leader in dog groups. There are no dog packs.
@AboutDogTraining3 He has OVER 100 DOGS in his pack..Ask yourself if he doesnt have any skills how come that he succeded in a rehabilitation of hundreads of dogs... -.-'' ...RETARD
@Pavleavrilfulldude, you simpleton. Social groups are self organizing. They have a transcendent' property that is the current hot subject in mathematics and group behaviour. He has nothing to do with it.
@AboutDogTraining3 yes, there are scientists who dispute the dominance theory, but there are also those who support it, and you are keeping silent about them.
@AboutDogTraining3 if there is no such thing as an alpha leader in dog packs, why do cesar's 30+ dogs follow him everywhere he goes or when he takes them for a walk? he doesn't even need a leash, because they clearly see him as the alpha male. of course this hierarchy is not fixed, if cesar decided to leave his pack, somebody else could take over immediately . the fact that there is no fixed hierarchy, however, does NOT mean that there is no hierarchy at all.
@Ilsimeone, its alwasy the same stupid comments from you guys. The fact is that this has nothing to do with dominance. The fact that dominance has been dropped is because it doesn't explain anything. Sure, idiots like to shoehorn everything into it, but it is only after the fact.
More importantly, despite Millan's claim, being in front doesnt mean shit to a dog. It is not leadership, alpha, dominance or whatever else.
Thousands of dog owners are happy with Cesar and his teachings, I am sure. I do not own a dog, but watch the show because I love the techniques he uses and the simple way he explains. Cesar is not just there for dogs, I appreciate his intelligence and enthusiasm for helping people and their lives. Who are these people that have a problem with learning something new? Maybe like someone else wrote, that it is because he is Mexican exposing Americans for their non perfect lifestyles
2bsure 1 month ago
Cesar way is the best.
CherryLid 2 months ago
Lol, I do believe AboutDogTraining is a youtube bot designed to be insulting to everyone. To avoid this crazy bot ignore it. =)
Galvatron717 4 months ago
Cesar is a GOD.
cutiebeanpants 4 months ago
@AboutDogTraining3 Here ya go: Proof that dogs are hardwired to operate and travel in packs. "It's their ability to hunt as a team that will determine the pack survives." youtube.com/watch?v=4N-7H1sSDck
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Fire9547 5 months ago
@Fire9547 :D
harrysjulie 5 months ago
Dog abuse? What dog abuse? Cesar Millan has saved the lives of many dogs whe had been expelled from every dog training schools because of their violent behavior, dogs who were about to be put "to sleep". Those dog trainers are the real abusers. Dogs need to be dogs, not just human toys.
AMiguelntonio 6 months ago 4
There's only one reason why most people critize Cesar Millan: they can't accept a Mexican teaching them lessons about their supossedly-perfect American lifestyle.
AMiguelntonio 6 months ago 3
Millan is naturally wrong. If you read the literature from reliable sources, we find that nearly all the claims he makes about dogs happen to be wrong. Some because he's made it up, others because he is holding on to mistaken beliefs from the 1930s.
AboutDogTraining3 7 months ago
@AboutDogTraining3 strangely familiar to the mistaken beliefs you are holding onto from human psychology experiments (Learned Helplessness) from 1934!
WakeUpArt 6 months ago
@WakeUpArt, your beliefs are so idiotic it's hard to know where to begin countering them. Start by reading the Handbook of Applied Dog Behavior, you will find that helplessness is what Millan's method is all about.
AboutDogTraining3 6 months ago
Millan's lack of education means he resorts to violence to control dogs. Because Dunbar understands psychology, he is able to control the dogs without using force.
AboutDogTraining3 7 months ago
@AboutDogTraining3 I don't know what show you've been watching then because Cesar doesn't use viloence, he always says he doesn't take his anger or frustration out on the dogs. You would know that if you watched it, so grow up and stop Bull
TheMightyBoosh94 7 months ago
@TheMightyBoosh94, you have trouble identifying violence. The kicks, the jabs, the choking and jerking an pinning are all examples of violence.. Nowhere in my critique did I write 'anger', I am not talking about what Millan feels, since I don't know. I am only talking about his violent ACTS.
AboutDogTraining3 7 months ago
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@AboutDogTraining3 I don't know what show you've been watching then because Cesar doesn't use viloence, he always says he doesn't take his anger or frustration out on the dogs. You would know that if you watched it, so grow up and stop the Bull
TheMightyBoosh94 7 months ago
@AboutDogTraining3 the only flaw in that theory is that Ian Dunbar is not rehabilitating dogs with severe behaviour issues - and Cesar certainly does not use any violence - kicks are taps with the foot furthest from the dog - just a 'snap out of it' measure like a parent would do by grabbing a childs arm or hand if they were going wild. He has never choked a dog and the jerking is another 'snap out of it' technique - and funny enough Dundar was able to find common ground and work with Cesar!
WakeUpArt 6 months ago
@WakeUpArt , you are mistaken. And Dunbar is not the only person using non physical punisment approach to really rehabilitate dogs, rather than simply manage them as Millan does. The 'snap them out of it" idiocy stems from the false belief that the dogs are choosing to take on this path. Dunbar knows taht Millan has a large audience and explained his reasoning in the dogtime blog. He didn't do it b/c he believes in Millan but rather because it was a good way to get his message to the people.
AboutDogTraining3 6 months ago
@AboutDogTraining3 I am certainly Not mistaken! and I never suggested anything about any other trainers. I most definately made no reference to punishment - this is where your ideas are flawed - Cesar doesn't punish dogs, he disciplines. Discipline is the backbone of society - we cannot live communally without it. We discipline our children while loving them; animals discipline amongst themselves while 'loving' each other. As to his blog-Dunbar would not be impressed w/your interpretation!
WakeUpArt 6 months ago
@WakeUpArt , you don't know what you are talking about. By definition Cesar punishes dogs. Learn what the word punishment means in regards to dog psychology. In fact Millan often fails to punish the dog - due to lousy timing - and simply applies an aversive that is not related to the behavior and simply causes the animal to strike out or shut down. I suggest you read what Dunbar wrote, my take on it is pitch perfect.
AboutDogTraining3 6 months ago
@AboutDogTraining3 By definition discipline is not punishment - I have seen Cesar's actions in person & I've never seen anyone with better timing - Ever! I have worked with many species and have lived in the wild with animals - you sir, know not what you speak of. You make so many references to 'modern facts', presume authority comes from particular certifications or education - if this were true we would still be a society believing that our world is flat! The method is balance, as is nature.
WakeUpArt 6 months ago
@WakeUpArt, there is no such thing as discipline in Millan's world. It is PUNISHMENT. That is what he does and they are aversives. Now, I understand that Millan followers are ignorant of dog psychology and animal behavior but to call it anything else is a lie. Millan is a moron. I've seen him chase and jerk a dog around 60 seconds after the alleged offense. That isn't even punishment - even though it's what he thinks - it is simply abuse and vengeance.
AboutDogTraining3 6 months ago
@AboutDogTraining3 10/12/10 Ian Dunbar wrote: "There is nothing in the little book of learning theory that says punishment has to be aversive and I believe it ought not be painful or frightening. I've come to realize that it is possible to punish a dog without any fear or pain, without even raising your voice. Maybe the problem is in the choice of words, perhaps we should call punishment a penalty instead." Hmmmmm - thought punishment was wrong? You are not supporting Dunbar with your rudeness.
WakeUpArt 6 months ago
@WakeUpArt which automatically leaves out kicks, jabs, choke collars and rope around a dog's neck. Milla's approach is violence and the threat of violence. Pain and it's application. What he euphemistically calls "discipline" Enlightened trainers know you can apply punishment without resorting to violence.
AboutDogTraining3 6 months ago
Cesar's theory of the give and take process like being frustrated with your dog will backfire on you by the dog getting frustrated with you, or giving the dog love which he/she will give back to you is so correct!! Ever since I bought my doxie, I have only been showing him much love (as well as discipline) and he always comes up to me with a lot of affection and love. He ALWAYS want to sleep next to or on top of me, lol. Cesar is truly a gift to animals!
scrillah81 9 months ago
Cesar Millan is the best hands down! Anybody who disagrees with me and talks shit on this man saying he's a phony is just a dumbass hater who wishes he/she could be Cesar because of his success with money, fame and dogs. I have seen a a lot of shit talking haters already on here and they can just suck their dog's dick. Maybe after you assholes suck your dog's dick you can give Cesar a call so that YOU, not your dog, can be rehabilitated and find balance you pieces of shit!
scrillah81 9 months ago 21
@scrillah81 sorry i don't know if you mean we should vote you a thump down if i agree with you, so i still gave you a thump up anyway since i think you are very right .
peacfulkitty 9 months ago
@peacfulkitty No, I wasn't expecting anybody to give me a thumps up nor down. I just don't like it when people have to say negative things towards others just because they're doing something positive, which contributes humane causes. Cesar Millan is an EXCELLENT dog therapists and he approaches negative situations from angles that other trainers or therapists wouldn't have thought of. I am a dog lover and I truly believe this man is a gift to animals. Thank you for your compassion! :)
scrillah81 9 months ago
@scrillah81 that i agree too , so here you go another thumps up : )
I feel more people should support these positive mind and reasoning like yours .
peacfulkitty 9 months ago
cesar is number one no one is better at training a dog go cesar!!!!
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1goldenginger 10 months ago
@mydogskanskidrums please don't be badass ok ...I have 2 dogs and I have brought them up with the same principles...and now they are the most obedient and wonderful dogs
The189013 11 months ago
@The189013 same
1goldenginger 10 months ago
@1mayleen first exercise your dog..after he/she has rested use calm and assertive energy and the touch cesarean talks about to disagree with your dog...dont get frustrated as it takes time...patience is the key
The189013 11 months ago
I hate this man. He's outdated, been proven wrong so many times, but yet he's completely ignorant to how dogs communicate and can't read dog body language to save his life. Everyone on here who likes him, do yourselves a favor and look at the evidence AGAINST him, to make up your own mind. He's an absolute bullshitter most of the time and is quite often very dangerous in his techniques. That's TV.
mydogkanskidrums 11 months ago
@mydogkanskidrums Yeah totally, thats why hes like on his 7th season.....
joshyb2k 11 months ago
@joshyb2k Like I said: that's TV, unfortunately. He's charismatic and can pass of things as gospel, but they really aren't. There's been many petitions from real animal behaviourists to persuade NatGeo to take it off the air. Unfortunately, it's great viewing for a lot of people who don't know any different and have never studied canine behaviour. I even used to like it...until I began working/studying in animal behaviour, when I saw the controversy.
mydogkanskidrums 11 months ago
@mydogkanskidrums if you dont like him you dont have to watch him dumbass
badabingrockford 10 months ago
@mydogkanskidrums Oh really? Is that why he has all of his 34 or 35 dogs under control? And all of those dogs were dogs with problems or in the streets, but he just seems to not know anything about dogs after seeing those dogs totally under his control? I think YOUR dumbass doesn't know jack shit about dogs you fucking hater! Let's see if you can go up there and do what he does. How many people are calling you for help? WHO ARE YOU???? You're just a dipship hater plain and simple!
scrillah81 9 months ago
@scrillah81 Thanks for your kind words. If you want to believe a TV program, that's your choice, but I'm telling you quite simply that 1) Millan's methods are generally abhorred by in professional dog training and behaviour scene and 2) his methods are nothing knew or unique. Dog behaviour has came a long way in the last 20 years, we have learnt a lot and have discovered that dogs learn better by knowing what behaviours get rewarded rather than being positively punished for 'bad' behaviours...
mydogkanskidrums 9 months ago
Respond to this video...His philosophies about pack dynamics and how to correct dogs using a natural communication methods is flawed- it has been researched and the results don't lie. Now, his show does make it look like it works, I use to be an huge fan of Cesar not that long ago. However, it does not show many things and is edited so much that it gives off false concepts and makes them look like they work amazingly well. If you want me to explain, I'll PM happily to let you see.
mydogkanskidrums 9 months ago
@mydogkanskidrums pm me
KOLOKOYproductions 8 months ago
@mydogkanskidrums And speaking of techniques, I think his, and they are proven, are one of the best! Look how well behaved his 34 or 35 dogs are! When he feeds them, he makes sure they're all under a calm and submissive state before eating. He jogs with all those dogs behind him, not even one ahead of him. You just need stop talking your shit and be positive you dumbass! He's trying to help dogs because he has a passion, but all you do is sit behind your computer and criticize and...
scrillah81 9 months ago
@scrillah81 There's a clip of him 'controlling' his dogs on here and if you look, he's holding food in his hands to make them follow him, so it's not always as good as you think. Also, we never see him controlling his dogs for long periods of time, do we? It's only short clips, which could mean anything quite frankly. I'm just trying to give other people an alternative, more modern theory of dog behaviour. I have to go now, as I have a client to go see.
mydogkanskidrums 9 months ago
@mydogkanskidrums ... drinking your soda accumulating calories while doing so. Wow, anybody can do that!! lol. How many people can do what this man does? There may be many, but that doesn't mean you have to criticize and judge this guy as someone as uneducated in his field. Plain and simple, you hate because you can't be at this man's level. You wish you can rehabilitate dogs as quickly and we well as him, but you can't. Since you're inferior to him in dog psychology, you have to talk shit
scrillah81 9 months ago
@scrillah81 Just to let you know, I am a working dog trainer and behaviourist and have experience in rescue environments- one of the biggest in the world. The whole rescue (and all other affiliated organisations around the world) don't use his methods and advise against them and him. There's a reason for this. If you would like to check out a true behaviourist who has been around much longer than Millan, look up Dr Ian Dunbar...he's superb. Change is hard, but Cesar needs to get up to speed.
mydogkanskidrums 9 months ago 2
@mydogkanskidrums OK, I just checked out a few videos of Ian Dunbar, and his approach to dog training/psychology was impressive. He made some very good points, but I still like Cesar Millan because I have read a little about him and found no formal education, which indicates he's a natural! I never said, and will never say, that Millan is the best because they would be absurd, but his techniques work and get the job done and that's what matters the most. Sorry for the insults earlier.
scrillah81 9 months ago
she wants him. bad.
antonswitajewski 11 months ago
MOLLY MY THREE YEAR OLD POODLE/CHIHUAHUA MIX HAS KILLED SOME OF MY MOM'S BIRDS AND MY OTHER DOGS HAVE STARTED TO ATTACK THE BIRDS TOO. NOW THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO BE IN THE GARAGE WHERE THE BIRDS ARE. BUT I'D LIKE TO TEACH MOLLY NOT TO DO IT AGAIN BECAUSE ITS CAUSING PROBLEMS WITH MY MOM.
1mayleen 1 year ago
This is more like a 3 part advert.
BUY THE FUCKIN DVD
joshyb2k 1 year ago
troooooooooooolls! trolls on cesar's vids!
KunoichiKira 1 year ago
how any dogs does Cesar have
boymen7865 1 year ago
Okay, let's not have the petty little fights. We can all agree that Cesar is amazing and is loved all around the world. Everyones styles about animals are different but just watch Cesar Millan because he actually has the best job in the world x <3
superskyerocket1 1 year ago
schmuck u dont have to curse what are u 12? i dont like to beat up dogs dipshot i do like to beat up ppl who beat there dog and since about 5 seconds i wanna beat u up to schmuck now i gotta go do grown up stuff ya know working...byebye
brulldozer 1 year ago
@brulldozer, asshole. When complaining about the language of others, don't use simlar language. It really damages your case, you dick.
AboutDogTraining3 1 year ago
@AboutDogTraining3 bite me;-)
brulldozer 1 year ago
@waltflanigansDog8, his way is one of the worst way. it doesn't produce reliable results and places the dog in a terrible position where he is punished without ever being instructed.
AboutDogTraining3 1 year ago
@AboutDogTraining3 jeez you are really annoying me, you seriously have nothing else to do than let all of us know how much you disike C's method? i got you after the first ten comments!!dont wanna pick a fight but why don't you, seeing you know it all, put up a vid of your own and show us all how it's done oh great one....
brulldozer 1 year ago
@brulldozer, fools like you aren't interested in teh facts. you like the idea of punishment and being the leader... probably because your life sucks in every other way.
AboutDogTraining3 1 year ago
@AboutDogTraining3 stop talking tough guy show me then.....u are just another schmuck trying to pick a fight are ya? don't waste your time....schmuck
brulldozer 1 year ago
@brulldozer fuck you douchebag. You are a coward who likes to beat dogs to make you feel strong.
AboutDogTraining3 1 year ago
@waltflanigansDog8, al lot more could be said if he was willing to learn from Dunbar, his intellectual, practical superior
AboutDogTraining3 1 year ago
@AboutDogTraining3 Wow! I've been reading months worth of comments and you really seem to hold a huge personal grudge against a man that I suspect you have never met - clearly obsessive. Now you have called dominance a myth, while here you suggest that human dominance and rank is obvious and Cesar should submit to Ian Dunbar. Quite an example of hypocracy! By the way, if you read the book and watched the videos of Cesar's time w/Dunbar you would see that he did seek to learn from him!
WakeUpArt 6 months ago 2
@WakeUpArt, you are stuck in the 30s just like Millan. That's where the idea of dominance started but those of us who are up to date on modern facts know that dominance hierarchy is a myth. It is simply stupid of you to argue otherwise. From the world leading wolf biologists (which is where the idea comes from) to every other biologist, they have all abandoned this outdated explanation.
AboutDogTraining3 6 months ago
@AboutDogTraining3 You were right abt the world leading wolf biologists. Wolves pack in the wild do not have alpha in general. Only breeding male/female, so, they are the leader or parents of the pack. David mech said the term, "alpha wolves" can only be apply to a pack of wolves that are unrelated and fight to be at the top, to lead as an alpha.
xiaoquan 6 months ago
@AboutDogTraining3 So, Cesar's way is right. why? since birth, most puppy are taken away from their litter/pack and into somebody else's home which is unrelated to the puppy. So i guess its normal, according to David mech recent research that only in a unrelated pack that they fight to be at the top. So, some dominance dog decided to be at the top and started being aggressive. In the wild, if you wanna be at the top, you fight your way. Cesar wants to be at the top, so he fought their way.
xiaoquan 6 months ago
@xiaoquan, actually Millan's way is wrong. There are no pack and dogs don't form pack or have rigid hierarchies. Domestication has also changed the social interaction of dogs so a comparison to wolves can only be made on a limited basis. Mech's research also shows that wolves don't fight their way to the top and that there is very little inter-aggression in the group. When you really look at the facts - i.e research if what he says is true - we find that Millan is wrong.
AboutDogTraining3 6 months ago
@AboutDogTraining3 You don't think dogs form hierarchies? What do you have to say about the dogs from Katrina that had to run wild because of their forced abandonment? It was observed that they went straight back to wolf pack behaviour.
In case you read this incorrectly, I'm not being antagonistic. Just curious as to your opinion.
harrysjulie 5 months ago
@harrysjulie, the scientific evidence from multiple studies suggests dogs don't form hierarchies.
The dogs from Katrina did not form hierarchies. They formed groups and this has been well described in various studies on feral dogs going back to the early 70s. They did not behave like wolves and they were not a pack.
AboutDogTraining3 5 months ago
@AboutDogTraining3 Dogs have been traveling in packs for thousands of years! Everyone knows that!
heabenlyheaderly 4 months ago 3
@heabenlyheaderly, no people KNOW they don't form packs. People think they do.
AboutDogTraining3 4 months ago
@AboutDogTraining3 Actually I KNOW they do. I've lived in the Philippines where feral dogs travel in guess what!?!?!? PACKS!!!!
heabenlyheaderly 4 months ago 3
@heabenlyheaderly NO IDIOT. READ STUDIES OUT OF PHI. NOT PACKS BUT GROUPS.
AboutDogTraining3 4 months ago
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@AboutDogTraining3 WE'VE GOT A TROLL! ABOUTDOGTRAINING3 IS A TROLL! Usually Trolls were abused or unloved as children. So sad. They resort to abuse ad hominem and can't have a civilized discussion because all they know is how to react abusively. Proof that dogs are hardwired to operate and travel in packs. "It's their ability to hunt as a team that will determine the pack survives." youtube.com/watch?v=4N-7H1sSDck You can't argue with scientific facts, troll. P.S. JESUS LOVES YOU! :D
heabenlyheaderly 4 months ago
@AboutDogTraining3
....Groups of dogs.... of course this makes so much sense! And a GROUP of ducks are a pride just like lions. I never knew!
Galvatron717 4 months ago 2
@Galvatron717 you don't know because you are stupid. Removing your head out of millan's ass migh clear up some confusion
AboutDogTraining3 4 months ago
@heabenlyheaderly WORD.
haaseblume 4 months ago
@waltflanigansDog8, Ian Dunbar wrote of his conflict when he was asked to participate with Millan. He had to weigh the negative influence of Millan's approach vs his popularity and decided that being in bed with the devil was worth because he would be able to inform a lot more people than by not participating.
AboutDogTraining3 1 year ago
thank you for your help, you brilliant cunt.
flyinghotwing 1 year ago
Here's what everyone has failed to understand. Not once, throughout his whole entire series, has Cesar ever said that his method is the best! He says it just WORKS! His method is not the ONLY way! He does encourage other ways if they do work! Dogs do show dominance by being in front of the whole pack! They show it by not letting you do most things to them. If a human does not take a position for leadership, the dog will. That is a fact. And MsLabMom and AboutDogTraining3... shut...up.
KidAnime20 1 year ago 2
@KidAnime20 if you read up on the follow up as they are described in his book 'The Ultimate Episode Guide" you see that His methods DON"T work. This from the number of dogs that are described as still having the problem years afterwards.
What Millan offers is a force which can momentarily give the illusion of control, real behavior modification gives the dog control but in such a way that he no longer behaves in an undesirable manner.
AboutDogTraining3 1 year ago
@AboutDogTraining3 you continue the control and establish a pattern, the dog follows....you on the other hand are frustrated and jealous that this little mexian is making big money and is a tv star..while you suffer with your own limited brain to get out of your pitiful cage, go smell someone ass you bootlicker
flyinghotwing 1 year ago
@AboutDogTraining3 The only reason dogs would still have problems months or years after Cesar's help, is because the owners don't tend to be consistent. CONSISTENCY! A dog does not take anything to heart, and WILL NOT be the balanced dog an owner wants unless they are obligated enough to make them this way. If his methods DON'T work, why is it that he still has a broadcasting show to this day, and the fact that there are more supporters for him than haters?
KidAnime20 1 year ago
@KidAnime20, if millan fancies himself a trainer of people then the fault is his. If the people don't follow up, then it means he didn't train the people correctly.
The real reason is that he is willing to abuse their animals to a degree few owners are willing to take. Millan doesn't balance dogs, he drives them into helplessness. That is the source of the calmness/submission he is always talking about.
Kid, there is a lot of shit on TV, it doesn't mean it is good.
AboutDogTraining3 1 year ago
@AboutDogTraining3 Yes, most of the shit on T.V. is bad. I know that much. But what makes a simple touch or poke to the neck or the side is "abuse"? DO I NEED TO KEEP REPEATING MYSELF?! Jesus, you don't pay attention at all. You obviously focus on an outdated way of looking at dogs! I'll bet you've never even bothered to watch his shows. And even if you did, you would be in denial. Of course, people look to dogs for mostly comfort anyway. Helplessness? Are you... fucking kidding me?
KidAnime20 1 year ago
@KidAnime20, kicking and jabbing the dogs is abuse. If someone did it to you, they could be charged iwth assault. It is also abusive because it provides no long term solutions - like punching you everytime you are about to take a smoke... once the punching stops the smoking starts. This is proven by his documented failures - most owners aren't willing to hit their dogs as hard as he does.
Pay attention fool - his methods are outdated. look up DOGWELFARECAMPAIGN 'ORG'
AboutDogTraining3 1 year ago
@AboutDogTraining3 (Sigh). Yes, kicking and punching another living being is abuse. But cesar uses Touches, not strikes or hits on a dog. If a dog really was physically abused, it wouldn't try to hide it by walking normally when it really needs to limp because of a bruised leg. Dogs never lie, and never hide their feelings. You... you just need to stop thinking of dogs as humans. And whatever about the welfare campaign. People can march all they want, it won't change anything.
KidAnime20 1 year ago
@KidAnime20, Cesar Millan kicks. In his own show he has described it as a kick at least once and the people on the show have used the term kick on several occasions. Your argument has already been addressed. Fools like you will subjugate good judgement in face of authority. They helpless dogs, large white eyes, trembling, lying down or fighting for dear life don't lie. Millan is attacking and abusing them.
AboutDogTraining3 1 year ago
@KidAnime20, it is the ignorant like you who think these dogs are human and are plotting to take over your life. And I figured you'd have no rational response to all the evidence from Welfare In Dog Training. Fools like you never counter with evidence.
AboutDogTraining3 1 year ago
@KidAnime20, yes and his methods rely on helplessness. When an animal is exposed to pain without the opportinity to excape it settles into a state of learned helplessness, where it quietly accepts the pain. This is the key to millan's 'calm/submissiveness'
AboutDogTraining3 1 year ago
@AboutDogTraining3 In case you forgot, dogs are predators. They don't try to accept PAIN. No animal will accept pain. They try to survive like any animal. Did you ever meet in person Cesar Millan's pack of dogs at his center? I don't think you did. Answer this: Do you think dogs can pretend to be happy when they may be in actuality upset or fearful of their owner? You know, Dogs CAN be submissive and calm for real. You just choose to see it as "helplessness".
KidAnime20 1 year ago
@AboutDogTraining3 If the owners want help so that their dogs do not hurt anyone or anything, including themselves, not to mention, build a much better relationship with their dogs, why the HELL would they allow him to "abuse" their dogs?! If dogs are scared or are actually injured, they WILL show it. They don't try to deceive! Dogs are always honest with the way they feel! And they DON'T hold grudges! That is a human thing! You obviously aren't a kid. Just how old are you?
KidAnime20 1 year ago
@KidAnime20, owners are easily duped by the cameras and by Millan's supposed authority. In fact, humans often subjugate their good judgement in the precences of a supposed authority.
Google "Milgram experiment Cesar Millan"
The dogs are scared, until they go into helplessness / tonic immobility. So stop being an idiot.
AboutDogTraining3 1 year ago
@AboutDogTraining3 I'll admit, a lot of people do tend to get hyped up over a celebirty because of social authority. And look, I'm not an idiot. But you are not an idiot either. You just have a hard time dealing or accepting with the fact that dogs are dogs. And dogs are not out to rule the world. That's what people want to do. The animals on earth never thrived and never tried to hurt or kill for fun. It is for survival.
KidAnime20 1 year ago
@AboutDogTraining3 And about the Milgram.... it's only natural that you become a public icon when you are doing something that amazes a lot of people. Cesar is only human too, like the rest of us. But if... if there are more people that support what may actually be "cruel methods" to dogs... well hey, all people are freakin' lunatics. All we can do is wait until he exposed for what may be... cruelity to animals. But for now, it seems he's been more help than harm to dogs and people so far.....
KidAnime20 1 year ago
@AboutDogTraining3 I just now recently read: AVSAB Position Statement on the Use of Dominance Theory in Behavior Modification of Animals in the Dog Lovers Digest.com. Again, people seem to think that dogs are striving for rank. Rank? Strive? A puppy sure as hell can't survive and learn without guidance from it's parents. And Dominance is practiced by other dogs using aggression. Usually the submissive one ends up either dead or just fine. Cesar is practicing dominance without anger. It helps...
KidAnime20 1 year ago
@KidAnime20, you don't know shit. Dominance is a myth. And in cases where a dogs are contesting a resource, aggression rarely ever happens. Now stop spouting shit you've heard on TV from a dog groomer. The evidence is clear and does not support any of the claims you've made
AboutDogTraining3 1 year ago
@AboutDogTraining3 You know what? No one wants to hear us argue over this. No one wants to read comments that are only about arguments about what is right or wrong about dog rehab. I'll just stop... okay? We will all eventually find out if Cesar is a fraud or not. In the meantime, I'll enjoy the education and entertainment from Cesar. No one seems to support you or MsLabMom. Why? I don't know... you tell me. But I will not respond to you ever again. Everyone, enjoy the show! Sorry! :-)
KidAnime20 1 year ago
@KidAnime20, Millan has already been proven a fraud. That's why every learned Vet, Psych, Training and Welfare organization has spoken out against his abusive methods. It is only the poorly informed that still believe his message.
His popularity is not a sign of his competence but rather a condemnation of how the education system has failed a whole generation and made you easy prey for pseudoscience and false experts.
AboutDogTraining3 1 year ago
Many of the techniques he encourages the public to try are dangerous, and not good for dogs or our relationships with them . Cesar Millan employs outdated methods that are dangerous and inhumane. Using a choke chain and treadmill to treat fear of strangers and dogs is completely inappropriate. Hopefully the National Geographic Channel will listen to the scientific community and discontinue production of The Dog Whisperer.
MsLabMom 1 year ago
@MsLabMom get the hell out a here.........you probably believe in sparing the rod on a child too........fuck the scientific assholes who are deluded by their narrow linear views
flyinghotwing 1 year ago
@flyinghotwing fuck you.
AboutDogTraining3 1 year ago
@AboutDogTraining3 people are calling cesar, not you.....get over it, you still can be someone if you try hard enough
flyinghotwing 1 year ago
@flyinghotwing, if retards like you like to get buttfucked that's your problem.
AboutDogTraining3 1 year ago
In turn these dogs will react even more defensively, will bite more people - and end up dead.
Labloverification 1 year ago
AboutDogTRaining you are such an asshole. i use cesar's way of rehabilitation on my dogs and it works great
aandkgirl 1 year ago
I think somebody ( @AboutDogTraining3 ) is jealous of Cesar
myppe 1 year ago
the first time i heard there was a program in USA about dog psychology, I thought... wow, americans are crazy... dogs don't need psycologists! Then I got a pet.. and now I feel bad that Cesar doesn't do international visits!
hdzmiriam 1 year ago 2
It makes you wonder where Ceasar leaned these teqniques or if it was just natural intuition or genius on his behalf.
Xcorgi 1 year ago
100% I agree my friend and I am glad that finally someone has figured out.: " People are responsible on what happen on Earth... We have to fulfill the nature of everything in a harmonious way to our being for our well being as well as the enviroment tht surround us.
strykerteam1 1 year ago
i think cesar is amazing i donmt have any dogs as to busy to give 1 the care and attention they need but i use his tecniecs on other family members dogs and just the simple ones make a big difference go cesar
shazz1974 1 year ago 5
Well said zenol420, could not have said it better myself. It's hard to people who have trained most of their lives to become a certified Dog Trainer to see a special gift in a person who just loves and understands dogs the way he does.
xSheWolfxo 1 year ago
I Love Cesar, I use all this On my dogs.
Agelesslegend23 2 years ago 24
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If that Rottie is that rehabilitated why then the need for a harsh pricklecollar ??? if the rehab was proper then it would not be nessesary.
LeoTheHood 2 years ago
you dumbass you say your 40 something and yet you know nothing...it's only harsh if they put that collar on the dog and tied her in the back yard and left her there for days and days so much so that it started to cut open her skin and make her bleed. and as a witness to animal cruelty....that choke chain is nothing to what kind of a life she could have had
stevescanadianfan 2 years ago
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@stevescanadianfan
Thank you for the excellent and intelligent comment, I might think that the way you respond explain my point in a very good way, it's all about what kind of man you are.
LeoTheHood 2 years ago
as a matter of fact i'm a woman thank you very much and also the only thing you've shown about what kind of man you are is you have low self esteem or are insecure because all you do is put others down with your negativity and constant accusations so that makes me think that 1) you weren't hugged enough or loved enough as a child or 2) you have some sort of secret to training dogs that you think is better than cesar but just refuse to share...I think it's the former
stevescanadianfan 2 years ago 3
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@stevescanadianfan
What do you expect, when you use foul language you can't expect only roses.
LeoTheHood 2 years ago
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@stevescanadianfan It hurts my heart when a dog in his show clearly is not at all happy, but he claims the dog is happy and glad, and I do not know whether I should cry or laugh when he claims that a dog get greater self-esteem if you lift its tail up in the air, or when he claims a dog will take over your "world" if it walk in front of you on the walk, one can only laugh at something so ridiculous.
LeoTheHood 2 years ago
What you want the dog to do to seem happy? To smile?
The self-esteem trick works just how it would on humans, they always just need a little push to do things for themselves.
If it hurts your heart (though I don't think you have one) then don't watch the show or come to his channel at all.
Darkmaster16 2 years ago
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Italian veterinary behaviourists agree with the criticism already? made by U.S. colleagues of the American College of Veterinary Behaviorists (ACVB), American Veterinary Society of Animal Behavior (AVSAB) and the Society of Veterinary Behavior Technicians (SVBT): The veterinary behavioral medicine has made continuous efforts to move forward in professionalism, sophistication and technical standards of animal welfare. Millan have accomplished to take animal welfare a big step backwards
LeoTheHood 2 years ago
Cesar is the best around. thank god for cesar coz before cesar, no one trainer was able to 100% understand and rehabilitate all the problem dogs. what i think makes Cesar the best is becoz he knows that most dogs' problems r created or aggravated by their owners becoz these owners know zilch abot raising an even tempered dog. humans create the problem in our dogs coz we dont understand them.
cesar's ways are the best & most effective methods around! let his success stories speak for themselves
bibi14930 2 years ago 3
why are you guys hating ? i mean its older yes, but does that mean that its out of date. Before dogs were domesticated they did travel in packs and had a pack leader i agree with millan.
jibleflabber 2 years ago 4
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@jibleflabber
It is his version of the leader that is wrong, and especially wrong in the matter that he thinks dogs only wish in life is to take over the throne from you, that he thinks so is that he is working with an very old perception of dog behavior, and not realizing that today it's more a cohesion between dogs and owner.
Science in latest years shows that dominance only occour in it's true nature between animals from their own race, and is not crossing racial borders,
LeoTheHood 2 years ago
80200. I read The Dog Whisperer Controversy. Those people are just mad because Cesar's Way is the new best way, and all the dog experts that have over 40 years in the field are pissed cause they know Cesar's methods work. He has never hurt a dog. His physical corrections mimic a dog touching another dog with its snout to let it know a certain behavior is unwanted. The controversy of the the dog whisperer is all BS , they make it sound like Cesar is hitting the dog to achieve a behavior. Haters!!
zenol420 2 years ago 35
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Actually Millan is doing the same thing they were doing 40 years ago. The same harsh, often painful treatment of animals that proved ineffective in addressing most of the problems featured in his show.
His hits do not mimic dogs. They don't behave this way.
AboutDogTraining3 2 years ago
@AboutDogTraining3 really eh ... so dogs don't bit other dogs to show dominance ... when in a pack the alpha dog doesn't defend it's standing by making other dogs submit? a mother dog doesn't pin her pup when he acts out ??? riiiiiight dogs don't behave that way ...
isolatedmynde 1 year ago
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@zenol420
Funny how science and real professionals work can be interpreted as envy.
To me it seems more like a desperat way of defending a wrong perception of dog pshycologi
LeoTheHood 2 years ago
@zenol420 Right on, hit the nail on the head, well put :D I aspire to be a dog behaviorist/trainer/rehabilitator. I believe no way is the right way, all knowledge is valuable, and its important to put your ego aside and stay open. This isn't about you, its about the dog. That said, I adore Ceasar lol.
SloppyJunkPants 1 year ago
@zenol420 Maybe they're mad because Cesar is stealing all of their potential customers. Obedience trainers are becoming less necessary for everyday people because Cesar's advice & methods are essentially free. Nobody is going to pay for obedience training & books by "dog psych experts" when the solutions they are looking for exist for free.
rockstarofredondo 1 year ago
i could not agree more, usually the critics talk about cesar is illiterate or other stupid things, like dogs are not wolves and this study says this and that, crap, ignorant, jealous crap........if cesar does things that work, just accept it and celebrate his genuine love for his work, if you have another system, fine use that and quit trying to bring down a good man who has good fortune written all over him............
flyinghotwing 1 year ago
Show me him beating a dog. I'm pretty sure there's laws against that so unless the government's given him the power to beat dogs, it sounds like a bunch of morons overreacting or killing time
thatsMrSmileytoyou 2 years ago 8
More than that, from the content we are shown, it is made clearly apparent that it's completely unneccessary.
ivdesigns 2 years ago
What are you talking about? The latter of what I said?
thatsMrSmileytoyou 2 years ago
no, beating dog's in general.
ivdesigns 2 years ago
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Type in "Dog Whisperer Controversy" in google and read. His methods are outdated/unscientific. Plain wrong, since the past 35 years Dog Psychology has picked up and is advancing every day.
FuckFuck80200 2 years ago
is that a good thing ?
Claudpad 2 years ago
MillanBeatsDogs: thats's not true.
I have a dog that I'm afraid of, but i handle him using cesar's rules. they do work,they just take time,just like everything else in the world. on day my new dog went to far and started playing very roughly. i took him and pinned him to the ground,it took so time but he got the messege.
and any pack you see the leader is always in front,ALWAYS! or else, how would the followers get to where the leader wants to go? he treats them like dogs mothers would.
cleomarcela02 2 years ago 2
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So you are stronger than your dog and you can force him or threaten him into compliance. I can do that with any animal or person If I had the legal freedom to beat them up.
Dogs do not pin each other. They never have and the abuse supporter can't provide a single documented case of it happening.
You are not treating a dog like a mother would, you are simply abusing it.
AboutDogTraining2 2 years ago
@AboutDogTraining2 HA HA HA .... go watch the discovery channel ... check out a pack of wolves? or wild dogs ... you'll see how they treat eachother.
isolatedmynde 1 year ago
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That's crap cleo.
When LD Mech was studying wolves, he noted there was no meaning to a dog. In fact "leadership" is so subtle (ie. not the guy in front) that it takes a long time to figure it out when observing a wolf family.
Others who have studied wild dogs, have said that being first has no social significance
That's science. Reality, not the claims of a guy who never even went to college. Did he even graduated from HS?
James92820 2 years ago
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These violent means are no different than beating a person until they stop threatening you. While it worked for you, it has done nothing for the dog.
IT IS A LIE, that a pack leader is in front.
James97310 2 years ago
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The truth is that he is self-untaught since a large portion of his believes are documented to be false.
AboutDogTraining2 2 years ago
Uh huh......documented as false by people who SUCK and FAIL at training dogs. There's a big difference.
MaximusCerberus 2 years ago
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TheTaffgirl 2 years ago
You sound jealous that hes so sucessful. Theres more then one way to skin a cat. I think you resent him because hes sucessful and your not? dont be a hater !
pntdblack 2 years ago 3
You just dont like him because he's self taught . He didnt learn his methods by reading a book like most dummys learn. He can write the books for the intelectual know it alls that need that. Dont hate!!! learn from him.
pntdblack 2 years ago 5
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there a some good self-taught trainers, millan is not one one them. He really screws up the basics.
"the pack leader is always in front" - is a damn lie
"There is only one leader for a pack" - damn lie
There have been scientific studies that refute so many of his claims, I am confused why people like you persist in lapping up his misinformation.
MillanBeatsDogs 2 years ago
@MillanBeatsDogs I'm sorry to tell you this but not one time has cesar said there is only 1 pack leader yes out in the wild theres only one pack leader but with a family pet its up to the entire household adult and children alike have to be calm and assertive pack leaders
phantomjuggalo83 1 year ago
@MillanBeatsDogs there is alpha male and alpha female in wild packs and herds and all sorts of groups of animals. ONE pack leader.
isolatedmynde 1 year ago
@isolatedmynde., you are an idiot. Studies show that there is no fixed hierarchy and that there is no such thing as an alpha leader in dog groups. There are no dog packs.
AboutDogTraining3 1 year ago
@AboutDogTraining3 How can you be so STUPID? lol -.-''
Pavleavrilfulldude 1 year ago
@Pavleavrilfulldude, you fucking moron! you believe an uneducated dog groomer because he's on TV
AboutDogTraining3 1 year ago
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@AboutDogTraining3 FUCK YOU!!!!! If you met him you'd realize that you are FULL OF SHIT...
Pavleavrilfulldude 1 year ago
@AboutDogTraining3 He has OVER 100 DOGS in his pack..Ask yourself if he doesnt have any skills how come that he succeded in a rehabilitation of hundreads of dogs... -.-'' ...RETARD
Pavleavrilfulldude 1 year ago 2
@Pavleavrilfulldude, you simpleton. Social groups are self organizing. They have a transcendent' property that is the current hot subject in mathematics and group behaviour. He has nothing to do with it.
AboutDogTraining3 1 year ago
@AboutDogTraining3 Just shut the fuck up! Ok??
Pavleavrilfulldude 1 year ago
@Pavleavrilfulldude, good comeback Retard.
AboutDogTraining3 1 year ago
@AboutDogTraining3 GO FUCK YOURSELF !!!
Pavleavrilfulldude 1 year ago
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@Pavleavrilfulldude, GO FUCK YOURSELF !!!
AboutDogTraining3 1 year ago
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Ilsimeone 1 year ago
@AboutDogTraining3 yes, there are scientists who dispute the dominance theory, but there are also those who support it, and you are keeping silent about them.
Ilsimeone 1 year ago
@AboutDogTraining3 if there is no such thing as an alpha leader in dog packs, why do cesar's 30+ dogs follow him everywhere he goes or when he takes them for a walk? he doesn't even need a leash, because they clearly see him as the alpha male. of course this hierarchy is not fixed, if cesar decided to leave his pack, somebody else could take over immediately . the fact that there is no fixed hierarchy, however, does NOT mean that there is no hierarchy at all.
Ilsimeone 1 year ago
@Ilsimeone, its alwasy the same stupid comments from you guys. The fact is that this has nothing to do with dominance. The fact that dominance has been dropped is because it doesn't explain anything. Sure, idiots like to shoehorn everything into it, but it is only after the fact.
More importantly, despite Millan's claim, being in front doesnt mean shit to a dog. It is not leadership, alpha, dominance or whatever else.
AboutDogTraining3 1 year