there is no last ninja, in fact, there are more and more ninjas training and fighting today. Also, more interestingly, more and more American White dudes wanna be ninjas and learn how to eat rice and noodles.
it is up to the Nihon Kobudo Shinkokai, who support his claims, and authenticated his makimono and densho.
you may not know who the NKS are.... they are a koryu society, the only sort of organization capable of authenticating any claim to any sort of ninjutsu.
ninjutsu disappeared when fujita died...
if you weren't too busy listening to fake ninja masters...maybe you would recognize authenticity.
The las ninja is Komohari Gakaryu. Hes been trained from 3 years old by methods of 500 year old tradition of the Gora-Togi clan. He was exiled from modern Japan because he executed 8 succesful assassinations on Japanese politicians and members of Yakuza. Hes rumored to live in southern Carelia now and that he belongs to an organization called Gato Kage which ships illegal banana extract to the ancient civilications of the Gomo-Homo int the secret isles of Kuku-Penis. He also likes pancakes
My understanding is that what Hatsumi has is a authentic Japanese warrior art/martial art. But is it a old or ancient authentic Jap warrior art/martial art? Well the jury is still out on that . check out the Hatsumi clips posted by TSOAS2008.
how can any one claim to be last of any thing unless they meet every songle person on planet earth and ask them soiders have gone missing be claimed dead or awol ect to be found laos monthes or years later in jungles ect animlales found to be extinct to be found some were elsa my point is not all choos to show them selves the rather keep it to them selves like secret socitys some say they exist some say they dont but only the ones involved know the truth fact
you cannot be learning ninjutsu, nobody knows it now that fujita is dead.
if you are studying the bujinkan or any other takamatsu-den art, then i must point out to you that there is NO evidence for any of his claims to ninjutsu lineage...
@Creationsofmyown how could fujita claim that he is the last ninja ? he may not have heard talking about takamatsu toshitsugu. he was only the last Koga ninja or maybe is it only disinformation
"how could fujita claim that he is the last ninja ?"
he didnt, he proved it.
"he may not have heard talking about takamatsu toshitsugu"
his position against takamatsu speaking of ninjutsu the way he did was famous. he knew full well what takamatsu was up to, and then promptly changed his position when he realized that takamatsu didn't even know ninjutsu..
"he was only the last Koga ninja or maybe is it only disinformation"
last of koka is what the buj says to feel better...
do me a favor and cite a source for fujita saying boo about hatsumi.
you do know that it was after fujita died that hatsumi even achieved his teaching rank, if you understood the japanese approach to budo, you would understand it is not permitted to demonstrate techniques without atleast menkyo.
not that hatsumi was with takamatsu (or takamatsu with toda for that matter) long enough to EARN a Menkyo kaiden.
Not all Japanese martial arts use the Menkyo. So I think you have to recant a statement before you talk about understanding Japanese budo.
Well do you have the source where it says Takamatsu didn't "decide" to give Hatsumi a Menkyo Kaiden?
and theres a website on fujita seiko where it talks about preserving the arts integrity. Where it mentions about him being troubled about Takamatsu and Hatsumi displaying ninja techniques.
if you knew anything about the menkyo system you would understand to mean that he was busy cramming 30 years of training into 15.
getting a menkyo in less than 20 years is laughable
i found the page, it doesnt cite a source for that section, i will have it looked into, what it did cite a source for was an article that quoted "Fujita claims he is the last ninja and the secrets of the art will die with [him]."
didnt you read that far? or was the quote mine too beneficial for your argument ?
Well i'm not saying Hatsumi Masaaki is a ninja... in fact only two of the nine schools of Bujinkan are "ninpo" I'm just saying that what Hatsumi teaches has atleast some ninjutsu taijutsu in it.
I think most of it is watered down.
I know about the menkyo system and its requirement for 30years at the least for a kaiden... But Takamatsu could've decided that he was ready for a menkyo kaiden. It's not my position to say not too, since I was not there.
so a single ryu takes 30 years to master. you acknowledge this. how can you accept someone who claims full transmission of NINE ryu in less than half the time to master ONE.
i care little for your excuses to why takamatsu did this...i simply explained precisely why it is laughed at by the japanese.
the bugei ryuha daijiten lists claims... not verified facts... they havent seen the densho either.
i find it odd that you compare hatsumi training a weekend a month in segments of his training to fujita spending all of his childhood time being formed into a martial arts powerhouse.granted 8 years isnt even completely accurate.
and if it were not for the manner in which he has so consistently proven the amount and legitimacy of his skills i would probably consider it too little as well.
I'm just saying you can't criticize hatsumi to the full extent of the law and not Fujita at the same time.
And i'm not claiming verified facts on the side of Bugei ryuha daijiten. I'm just saying they're not laughing. You are mistaking me for someone who is Bujinkan worshipper. I'm completely neutral. I just like budo/bujutsu
@BlackShinobiShozoku 3. not 2 are said to be ninpo, although the togakure has its doubts by most traditonalists. Also the koryu have never verified the claims made by Hatsumi actually despite what people here on youtube like to say, they have actually denied him on at least 2 occasions
From what I am told Hatsumi makes his scrolls public for people to see as long as he is around. To become apart of the Koryu bujutsu organization you have to submit them for them to be scrutinized.
Just because he was the last ninja, doesn't mean that ninjutsu is dead. Takamatsu wasn't really a ninja as he wasn't hired for spying or espionage, Fujita Seiko actually served as an intelligence agent.
how about you look at the link i am sending you... takamatsu made up the ryu...
he even told this to his friend... watatani kiyoshe, it was included when he wrote the Bugei Ryuha Daijiten 3rd edition.
but of course Dr. Karl Friday who has Menkyo kaiden in Kashima Shinryu has no clue about anything, except he specializes in japanese budo...ill take his word for it bud,
i said friends... and thats never been contested...
i also cited where it said that he made it up.. dont ask me to cite what has been cited already.
friday? nothing to do with a mistake... everything to do with showing he knows more about kobudo than almost everyone... i would need to see some real serious credentials to believe he isnt correct.
he wrote the paper on it... in academia false paper=suicide, i doube he is so careless.
Heishichiro Okuse? you mean the guy who claims to have been secretly taught ninjutsu by fujita, and that fujita only claimed koka to throw people off him knowing iga,
and then stocked the iga museum with straight bladed ninjato,.... right.... how very legit of Heishichiro Okuse.
watatani retracted nothing... the retraction covers an unciteable (other than watatani saying so) anecdote....
it doesnt mean its not true... just that the BRD isnt going to libel someone when they cant prove their claim(its hard to get charged with libel when u speak truth)... it was a legal choice, not an issue of veracity.
You don't have to be hired for spying or espionage to be a ninja like you think, there are a lot of arts in ninjutsu and most choose a handful of them to study. So yes he has, and he was the last "KOGA" ninja because he didn't pass on the full style to the people he trained at WW2, not even close. So people only know small parts and stuff.
Um, yes, you pretty much do. Ninja is a job for spying and espionage, not a class. And no, it's actually pronounced "Koka", not "Koga". And no, he said it himself that nobody knows Koka Wada Ha ryu ninjutsu, he was the only one. I highly doubt that someone who admits to being a ninja would lie about other people knowing their art.
They are assassins yet, but they aren't only for those. There are fricken ninja swimming arts and stuff ^.^
Also, I know japanese, writing and stuff, though I never studied "in" class about ninja. Koka and koga and only two lines apart in hiragana writing which is the easiest form and what most americans who need to learn it use. I'm thinking that its one of those things that go to American and get changed, like how they changed the correct jutsu to jitsu even though its wrong.
No, there is no legitimate, historical record of a ninja performing a successful assassination, so assassin they be not. And yes, that's pretty much what happened.
How the hell does that work, the ones that fail get caught the ones who are successful get away, of course there is no historical record, everyone has assassinated someone who has been in a war. All you have to do is surprise them, samurai did it too.
Sorry, rephrase that. There is no record of ninja performing a successful assassination on any daimyo, y'know, the guys that one would expect to be targeted by ninja. And yes, samurai did use surprise tactics, because most ninja were samurai. Ninja is a job, samurai is a class, and a majority of the mainstream ninja were ji-samurai from the Iga and Koka regions. The only exceptions I think were the Fuma, I think they were just bandits hired out as ninja.
In your analogy, you're stating that I'm a ninja, being that I'm a Bujinkan member. So I guess people who study Spanish fencing are Spanish knights, right? No, WRONG. Just because one trains in ninjutsu, doesn't mean that they are ninja, there are certain requirements for one to be a ninja.
If you think Ninja was a job then you aren't good at translation. Ninja were people with certain skills. A Samurai was a warrior therefore apart of the military.
I never read the book, I'm going to order it though for a biography project. And if you can find any historical document that proclaims that a samurai from Iga or Koga (ninja were actually samurai hired as espionage agents) made a successful assassination, let me know.
The music is absolutely appealing to me. Perfectly fits Eastern martial art styles.
sonofmanchu 7 months ago
there is no last ninja, in fact, there are more and more ninjas training and fighting today. Also, more interestingly, more and more American White dudes wanna be ninjas and learn how to eat rice and noodles.
sionaries1983 7 months ago
bujinkan and budo real ninjutsu yall for real !!
germainegod 8 months ago
why did he drink? was it for some kind of paranormal gain??? im serious by the way.
1787dude 10 months ago
Callin shaningens on this dude!
ItalianMuscle88 11 months ago
@ItalianMuscle88
it isn't up to you.
it is up to the Nihon Kobudo Shinkokai, who support his claims, and authenticated his makimono and densho.
you may not know who the NKS are.... they are a koryu society, the only sort of organization capable of authenticating any claim to any sort of ninjutsu.
ninjutsu disappeared when fujita died...
if you weren't too busy listening to fake ninja masters...maybe you would recognize authenticity.
Arteanor 7 months ago
The las ninja is Komohari Gakaryu. Hes been trained from 3 years old by methods of 500 year old tradition of the Gora-Togi clan. He was exiled from modern Japan because he executed 8 succesful assassinations on Japanese politicians and members of Yakuza. Hes rumored to live in southern Carelia now and that he belongs to an organization called Gato Kage which ships illegal banana extract to the ancient civilications of the Gomo-Homo int the secret isles of Kuku-Penis. He also likes pancakes
Thisismynameffs 1 year ago
My understanding is that what Hatsumi has is a authentic Japanese warrior art/martial art. But is it a old or ancient authentic Jap warrior art/martial art? Well the jury is still out on that . check out the Hatsumi clips posted by TSOAS2008.
MrOphachew 1 year ago
ANY ONE KNOWS OF TOSHITORA YAMASHIRO? WHO IS HIS DISIPLE THAN?? I THOGHT HE WAS THE LAS NINJA?
JOAKINGARZ2 1 year ago
how can any one claim to be last of any thing unless they meet every songle person on planet earth and ask them soiders have gone missing be claimed dead or awol ect to be found laos monthes or years later in jungles ect animlales found to be extinct to be found some were elsa my point is not all choos to show them selves the rather keep it to them selves like secret socitys some say they exist some say they dont but only the ones involved know the truth fact
vrninja 1 year ago
Fujita Seiko masaaki hatsumi ninjustu Bujinkan Togakure-ryūits wats the differense cus i studying ninjustu rite now.and i atlast want the true form.....
ronzzo45 2 years ago
@ronzzo45
you cannot be learning ninjutsu, nobody knows it now that fujita is dead.
if you are studying the bujinkan or any other takamatsu-den art, then i must point out to you that there is NO evidence for any of his claims to ninjutsu lineage...
Creationsofmyown 1 year ago
@Creationsofmyown how could fujita claim that he is the last ninja ? he may not have heard talking about takamatsu toshitsugu. he was only the last Koga ninja or maybe is it only disinformation
MrMarcmaster 1 year ago
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@MrMarcmaster
"how could fujita claim that he is the last ninja ?"
he didnt, he proved it.
"he may not have heard talking about takamatsu toshitsugu"
his position against takamatsu speaking of ninjutsu the way he did was famous. he knew full well what takamatsu was up to, and then promptly changed his position when he realized that takamatsu didn't even know ninjutsu..
"he was only the last Koga ninja or maybe is it only disinformation"
last of koka is what the buj says to feel better...
Creationsofmyown 1 year ago
What is required to be a ninja? What qualities must one possess?
foxbrawler91 2 years ago
The period about ninja is over! Only teenager believe they are...
Stop dreaming kids, open your eyes...Fujita was the last one!
saumur 2 years ago
Then why did Fujita get angry at Hatsumi for openly showing ninja techniques?
BlackShinobiShozoku 2 years ago
Fujita didn't think that ninpo should be opened to the public and that it would never survive in the modern world.
OkamiNinja7 2 years ago
do me a favor and cite a source for fujita saying boo about hatsumi.
you do know that it was after fujita died that hatsumi even achieved his teaching rank, if you understood the japanese approach to budo, you would understand it is not permitted to demonstrate techniques without atleast menkyo.
not that hatsumi was with takamatsu (or takamatsu with toda for that matter) long enough to EARN a Menkyo kaiden.
Creationsofmyown 2 years ago
Not all Japanese martial arts use the Menkyo. So I think you have to recant a statement before you talk about understanding Japanese budo.
Well do you have the source where it says Takamatsu didn't "decide" to give Hatsumi a Menkyo Kaiden?
and theres a website on fujita seiko where it talks about preserving the arts integrity. Where it mentions about him being troubled about Takamatsu and Hatsumi displaying ninja techniques.
BlackShinobiShozoku 2 years ago
if you knew anything about the menkyo system you would understand to mean that he was busy cramming 30 years of training into 15.
getting a menkyo in less than 20 years is laughable
i found the page, it doesnt cite a source for that section, i will have it looked into, what it did cite a source for was an article that quoted "Fujita claims he is the last ninja and the secrets of the art will die with [him]."
didnt you read that far? or was the quote mine too beneficial for your argument ?
Creationsofmyown 2 years ago
Well i'm not saying Hatsumi Masaaki is a ninja... in fact only two of the nine schools of Bujinkan are "ninpo" I'm just saying that what Hatsumi teaches has atleast some ninjutsu taijutsu in it.
I think most of it is watered down.
I know about the menkyo system and its requirement for 30years at the least for a kaiden... But Takamatsu could've decided that he was ready for a menkyo kaiden. It's not my position to say not too, since I was not there.
I've heard that quote MANY times.
BlackShinobiShozoku 2 years ago
so a single ryu takes 30 years to master. you acknowledge this. how can you accept someone who claims full transmission of NINE ryu in less than half the time to master ONE.
i care little for your excuses to why takamatsu did this...i simply explained precisely why it is laughed at by the japanese.
Creationsofmyown 2 years ago
Ok, but the same source we both looked at said that Fujita Seiko learned from his grandfather from the age of 3-11 11-3 = 8 years.
But yet according to Fujita his grandfather had time to transmit all his teachings.
And if it's laughable by the Japanese why is togakure accepted by Bugei Ruyha Daijiten as a ninjutsu lineage?
Why won't they laugh too?
BlackShinobiShozoku 2 years ago
the bugei ryuha daijiten lists claims... not verified facts... they havent seen the densho either.
i find it odd that you compare hatsumi training a weekend a month in segments of his training to fujita spending all of his childhood time being formed into a martial arts powerhouse.granted 8 years isnt even completely accurate.
and if it were not for the manner in which he has so consistently proven the amount and legitimacy of his skills i would probably consider it too little as well.
Creationsofmyown 2 years ago
I'm not comparing hatsumi to fujita.
I'm just saying you can't criticize hatsumi to the full extent of the law and not Fujita at the same time.
And i'm not claiming verified facts on the side of Bugei ryuha daijiten. I'm just saying they're not laughing. You are mistaking me for someone who is Bujinkan worshipper. I'm completely neutral. I just like budo/bujutsu
BlackShinobiShozoku 2 years ago
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"I'm just saying you can't criticize hatsumi to the full extent of the law and not Fujita at the same time."
uh, ya i can, watch me. and i dont need to criticize hatsumi, simply air his dirty laundry.... exposing facts to people is not criticism
like budo? good, the bujinkan is actually pretty good for that, as long as you dont mind it being gendai budo.
but it most definitely is not ninjutsu.
Creationsofmyown 2 years ago 4
@BlackShinobiShozoku 3. not 2 are said to be ninpo, although the togakure has its doubts by most traditonalists. Also the koryu have never verified the claims made by Hatsumi actually despite what people here on youtube like to say, they have actually denied him on at least 2 occasions
themullettiscool 1 year ago
@themullettiscool
From what I am told Hatsumi makes his scrolls public for people to see as long as he is around. To become apart of the Koryu bujutsu organization you have to submit them for them to be scrutinized.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
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IgasakiDojun 2 years ago
Great book!
Alon604 2 years ago
i' ve read this book , for me : a masterpiece. i thank a lot the author. i also study bujinkan
MrMarcmaster 2 years ago
so wait a sec... you read the book... you learned about how fujita was the last ninja...
and then jumped on the bandwagon of bujinkan ninjers?
Creationsofmyown 2 years ago
Just because he was the last ninja, doesn't mean that ninjutsu is dead. Takamatsu wasn't really a ninja as he wasn't hired for spying or espionage, Fujita Seiko actually served as an intelligence agent.
OkamiNinja7 2 years ago
how about you look at the link i am sending you... takamatsu made up the ryu...
he even told this to his friend... watatani kiyoshe, it was included when he wrote the Bugei Ryuha Daijiten 3rd edition.
but of course Dr. Karl Friday who has Menkyo kaiden in Kashima Shinryu has no clue about anything, except he specializes in japanese budo...ill take his word for it bud,
link sent give it a read.
Creationsofmyown 2 years ago
@Creationsofmyown Do you have proof Takamatsu made up any ryuha?
How sure are you that Takamatsu & Watatani Kiyoshi were childhood friends?
Do you have the 3rd edition of the Bugei Ryuha Daijiten or know what it says in it regarding "ninja gakko"?
What does Karl Friday having a menkyo kaiden in Kashima Shin-ryu have to do with him making a mistake?
If you want to be "corrected" I'll surely do it for you or link you to the truth.
Learn to use Google search before spreading hearsay, thanks!
IgasakiDojun 2 years ago
i said nothing about childhood friends...
i said friends... and thats never been contested...
i also cited where it said that he made it up.. dont ask me to cite what has been cited already.
friday? nothing to do with a mistake... everything to do with showing he knows more about kobudo than almost everyone... i would need to see some real serious credentials to believe he isnt correct.
he wrote the paper on it... in academia false paper=suicide, i doube he is so careless.
Creationsofmyown 2 years ago
be more clear about your issues please.....
are you arguing that watatani kiyoshe made it up to discredit takamatsu? or that takamatsu never said it?
if you can link me to something further on the subject i would appreciate it...
i google better than 99% of people... better watch what you claim...
Creationsofmyown 2 years ago
Didn't Watatani retract all of his statements? And even so, what about the historians that assert that Togakure ryu is legit like Heishichiro Okuse?
OkamiNinja7 2 years ago
Heishichiro Okuse? you mean the guy who claims to have been secretly taught ninjutsu by fujita, and that fujita only claimed koka to throw people off him knowing iga,
and then stocked the iga museum with straight bladed ninjato,.... right.... how very legit of Heishichiro Okuse.
Creationsofmyown 2 years ago
watatani retracted nothing... the retraction covers an unciteable (other than watatani saying so) anecdote....
it doesnt mean its not true... just that the BRD isnt going to libel someone when they cant prove their claim(its hard to get charged with libel when u speak truth)... it was a legal choice, not an issue of veracity.
Creationsofmyown 2 years ago
You don't have to be hired for spying or espionage to be a ninja like you think, there are a lot of arts in ninjutsu and most choose a handful of them to study. So yes he has, and he was the last "KOGA" ninja because he didn't pass on the full style to the people he trained at WW2, not even close. So people only know small parts and stuff.
LightxKira5643 2 years ago
Um, yes, you pretty much do. Ninja is a job for spying and espionage, not a class. And no, it's actually pronounced "Koka", not "Koga". And no, he said it himself that nobody knows Koka Wada Ha ryu ninjutsu, he was the only one. I highly doubt that someone who admits to being a ninja would lie about other people knowing their art.
OkamiNinja7 2 years ago
They are assassins yet, but they aren't only for those. There are fricken ninja swimming arts and stuff ^.^
Also, I know japanese, writing and stuff, though I never studied "in" class about ninja. Koka and koga and only two lines apart in hiragana writing which is the easiest form and what most americans who need to learn it use. I'm thinking that its one of those things that go to American and get changed, like how they changed the correct jutsu to jitsu even though its wrong.
LightxKira5643 2 years ago
No, there is no legitimate, historical record of a ninja performing a successful assassination, so assassin they be not. And yes, that's pretty much what happened.
OkamiNinja7 2 years ago
How the hell does that work, the ones that fail get caught the ones who are successful get away, of course there is no historical record, everyone has assassinated someone who has been in a war. All you have to do is surprise them, samurai did it too.
LightxKira5643 2 years ago
Sorry, rephrase that. There is no record of ninja performing a successful assassination on any daimyo, y'know, the guys that one would expect to be targeted by ninja. And yes, samurai did use surprise tactics, because most ninja were samurai. Ninja is a job, samurai is a class, and a majority of the mainstream ninja were ji-samurai from the Iga and Koka regions. The only exceptions I think were the Fuma, I think they were just bandits hired out as ninja.
OkamiNinja7 2 years ago
Wrong, Ninja is not a job. Ninjas are anyone that study the MARTIAL ART of NINJUTSU.
LightxKira5643 2 years ago
technique of patience is a martial art?
i think your a little confused... and why didnt you respond back to me? cant best me so u just argue with kids ( no offense okami)
ninjutsu was about espionage.... not combat...
and definitely not assassination...
Creationsofmyown 2 years ago
In your analogy, you're stating that I'm a ninja, being that I'm a Bujinkan member. So I guess people who study Spanish fencing are Spanish knights, right? No, WRONG. Just because one trains in ninjutsu, doesn't mean that they are ninja, there are certain requirements for one to be a ninja.
OkamiNinja7 2 years ago
If you think Ninja was a job then you aren't good at translation. Ninja were people with certain skills. A Samurai was a warrior therefore apart of the military.
BlackShinobiShozoku 2 years ago
Assasinations were common in feudal Japan. They were done by samurai as well.
BlackShinobiShozoku 2 years ago
I thought you read the book... didn't Fujita say Ninja were skilled in assassination?
BlackShinobiShozoku 2 years ago
I never read the book, I'm going to order it though for a biography project. And if you can find any historical document that proclaims that a samurai from Iga or Koga (ninja were actually samurai hired as espionage agents) made a successful assassination, let me know.
OkamiNinja7 2 years ago