Sure join a UU church they're free from irrational hatreds! PSYCHOLOGISTS are often UU's! They believe in "oppositional defiance disorder." Right, that means in 1854 slaves who rebelled were "mentally ill," see shitty psychiatrist Samuel Cartwright on "drapetomania!" If UU were serious about being on "free & responsible search for truth & meaning" (they are sure NOT) they'd eject everyone who calls themselves "mental health professionals" (modern term for INQUISITORS and WITCH FINDERS!!)
I blocked Bad Dave there's no use in more debate. Can't anyone see that sex typing of clothes, unless based only on anatomy--is wrong? Women cast off that concept as it would restrict their choices, we still want to impose it on men to stop them from having choices "crossdressing" & that's what's wrong with psychology crowd---false terminology. Greece, Fiji, Scotland have soldiers in skirts, this isn't "transgenderism," British Beefeaters wear fancy shoes & neck ruffs. Be fair about clothes!
What do you mean, "not responsible"? You mean something unpleasant will happen? Are you afraid of something? No wonder Unitarianism is so vapid and small; you're about as "diverse" as cream cheese and without a fresh slew of converts, you'd by where the Shakers are now. Ridiculous organization. Vapid, simpering, prim and pseudo-progressive.
I love Betty! I feel this character is more fleshed out than Shirley Q. It's like all the women I used to work with at the library here in N.C. "What do you people believe in!?" I love the way everything that happens to her no matter how trivial; causes her to have a breakdown! Classic!
At UU church in Arlington TX a man said I was "cross dressing" because I wore a skirt. At that I tried to get him to read a NY Times article from way back showing society's dismal treatment of women in pants. He REFUSED to look at it!! See, the mental "health" CULT is overly represented at UU churches. It's like a Black coming & they say he can come, BUT WE KNOW HE'S A "NIGGER." All psych labeling is defamatory! By the way, men wore skirts AS MEN for 1,000's of years!! STUPID UU people!!!
@baddave62 Usually a UU will argue against my points (can't be done) or just go silent. None of the area UU churches will answer me. I'm correct. BUT if my points are allowed to be aired, they risk losing income because mental health cultists could pull out and go elsewhere, anywhere they won't be criticized Income is what matters most to any UU church---not "free and responsible search for truth and meaning." Not when it reveals mental health cultists as quacks, frauds and power seekers..
@baddave62 You know what you just belched out is blarney blather. Additionally, a man's right to personal privacy rests on identical legal grounds prohibiting such offenses as aiming a camera up a woman's skirt. It would be constructive if you'd recognize the issues I raised rather than being uselessly flippant. The UU are moral failures. I wish they'd offended the Sultan of Brunei, who'd launch a $2 billion advertising campaign to embarrass them. They end up as bad as fundamentalists.
@baddave62 Arguments are not won by evading issues. Nor are they won by shallow use of hackneyed cliches. Those evidently are your only armamentarium, and shows your senseless bravado a failure.
@baddave62 No need to--you did it yourself in previous post. Are you ready to confront issues, or do you intend to continue this fruitless jousting with the impotent evasions you cannot capitalize on?
@skirts365 As I suspected--you couldn't find any. As far as confronting issues--you're the one who has issues with wearing girlie clothes, it's really not an issue for me. Perhaps you need to clarify "fruitless jousting with the impotent evasions you cannot capitalize on"--it reads like a visual word salad. Have you stopped taking your schizophrenia meds?
@baddave62 You sure as hell used a hackneyed cliche. Girlie clothes? There are none past those dictated by anatomy, your criteria is mere stereotype & entirely superficial, finally you fall back on psychiatry in attempt to win argument you already lost. Psychiatry is a thoroughly discredited enterprise and recognized as only a tool to suppress nonconformity. It's in bed with Big Pharma--TV is saturated with commercials on lawsuits against them. "Visual word salad," another hackneyed cliche.
@skirts365 Perhaps you don't know the definition of "hackneyed cliche." If you can't afford a dictionary, they can be found online or in your public library. I will agree with you, however, that in your case psychiatry was most defininely insufficient.
@baddave62 You aren't stupid, you're stubborn. You used such cliches twice and opt to deny rather than concede. Psychiatry is always adequate to muddy the waters. I corresponded with a UU from Georgia, an attorney, who "had psychologicals thrown out of court." At least he's honest in admitting the psych cult has no place in courtrooms. The more you try to use appeals to psychiatry to win arguments, the more you show your argument has no merit "have you stopped your schizophrenia meds" ASS!!
@skirts365 My bad, of course you haven't stopped the meds, evidently you never took them in the first place. What exactly is my argument that has not merit? I eagerly await your next word salad.
@baddave62 Big Pharma makes toxins not medications. You are so full of shit to assert that someone you're in conflict with has head problems! You mentioned "girlie clothes," asshole--review National Geographic for last 80 years. Men globally wearing all types skirts. You stupid CRETIN all you do is reason by association. You field of view is limited to the narrow social context you are immersed in. You can't understand anyone who reasons past mass hypnosis "skirts are girlie clothes"---
@skirts365 You should get some nice lace panties to go with your skirts and then powder your nose. And hopefully the powder will have psychoactive properties and help you calm down and giggle more.
@baddave62 Anyone reading this debate can see your argumentation is mere invective and appeal to using psychiatry as character assassination. 400 years ago the accusations were "heretic" you would have caused some deaths, just because you don't like what someone is wearing. Folks, this jerk went from "I had never really thought about the possiblity of wearing a skirt to church. That takes balls!" to the degenerated mud slinging and exaggeration of my views that he's retreated to.
@skirts365 Speaking of balls, do ever like to wear a skirt with no underpants and then sit on a dude's lap at church? I think that would be really fun during a rousing gospel number. My suggestion would be Looking for a City,
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Chris, Plenty of Unitarians believe in very specific things. Just because there are no specific beliefs that are common to ALL Unitarians (and I would even challenge that) doesn't mean that individual Unitarians don't believe anything.
I am busting out laughing on the floor, and my dachshund now knows that I have lost my mind! I went to a UU church one fine Sunday morning, and they watched a movie about Rosa Parks! She was a great chick and all, but really! And they lit a chalice and read some somethin that didn't make no damn sense. And they opened up the "service" by singing a song called "Enter, Rejoice and Come In." Well, what is there to rejoice about if they don't know what the hell they believe?
Well W1ndreader needless to say I agree 100% with you. In fact it is U*Us like Rev. Ray Drennan who have inspired me to come up with the bon mot that some of the U*Us I know are very free with the truth but far from responsible with it. Unfortunately that saying applies to a fair number of U*U clergy and even top level UUA officials. I am now in the very small minority of U*Us who are "excommunicated" U*Us. . . ;-)
You must except that Jesus Christ died on the cross for your sins and that he rose from the dead in order to be saved. If you are really saved you will yield to Jesus Christ's teachings.
I guess I'm a fighter not a quitter. . . In any case I didn't quit. I was permanently expelled by the congregation during a Stalinistic "show trial", aka kangaroo court, disguised as a "special congregational meeting" on November 22nd, 1999. Apparently they were upset about the fact that I had the temerity to publicly protest against the anti-religious intolerance and bigotry of their fundamentalist atheist "Humanist" minister and other U*U injustices, abuses and hypocrisy.
well, Robin, I am a UU which is why I posted this. true UU philosophy is that we all have the right to a free and responsible search for our own truth. declaring from the pulpit that 'God does not exist and belief in God is silly' may be free, but it is not responsible. and in the interest of full disclosure I am int the 'half of them which is witches'.
I was a member of the Unitarian Church of Montreal from 1993 to 1999. Rev. Ray Drennan, a fundamentalist atheist "Humanist" U*U, preached sermons that declared God to be a non-existent being and asserted that belief in God seems primitive. Besides doing that he labeled my personal monotheistic religious beliefs as "silliness and fantasy" and in an editorial that slammed the Roman Catholic state funeral of Pierre Trudeau he very publicly declared that most religious rituals are "meaningless".
Awesome! Too funny! Too true. . . BTW It should noted that attending a Unitarian "Church" can be hazardous to your spiritual health. As Betty Butterfield noted a lot of U*Us are atheists. Some are anti-religious fundamentalist atheist bigots who go out of their way to make life miserable for God believing people. Do you know any other "church" where a minister can preach that God does not exist and belief in Gof seems primitive? I can't. . .
Wait a minute - I have never heard a UU minister preach that god does not exist - HAVE YOU EVER HEARD a UU sermon? They are all about CHOICE - a UU minister never preaches about what each one of us should believe. AND, UUs do believe in SOMETHING - just because it may not be what you agree with doesn't mean it's wrong. Get a grip.
I have heard many U*U "sermons". That's how I heard Rev. Ray Drennan preach that God is a "non-existent being" and that belief in God "seems primitive". . . U*U ministers regularly preach sermons about what we should believe. The "fundie" atheist U*Us firmly believe that God is NOTHING. I agree with most U*U principles and ideals. What most certainly IS wrong is that a whole lot of U*Us flagrantly disregard and outright violate their claimed principles and ideals.
Hey! Don't be bad mouthin' Joyce! She helped me through some long scary nights before I was properly medicated. You sure know your churches. Amen (meaning I'm in agreement). So far... I'm looking forward to finding out which church you choose.
Sure join a UU church they're free from irrational hatreds! PSYCHOLOGISTS are often UU's! They believe in "oppositional defiance disorder." Right, that means in 1854 slaves who rebelled were "mentally ill," see shitty psychiatrist Samuel Cartwright on "drapetomania!" If UU were serious about being on "free & responsible search for truth & meaning" (they are sure NOT) they'd eject everyone who calls themselves "mental health professionals" (modern term for INQUISITORS and WITCH FINDERS!!)
skirts365 3 months ago
I blocked Bad Dave there's no use in more debate. Can't anyone see that sex typing of clothes, unless based only on anatomy--is wrong? Women cast off that concept as it would restrict their choices, we still want to impose it on men to stop them from having choices "crossdressing" & that's what's wrong with psychology crowd---false terminology. Greece, Fiji, Scotland have soldiers in skirts, this isn't "transgenderism," British Beefeaters wear fancy shoes & neck ruffs. Be fair about clothes!
skirts365 4 months ago in playlist Funny stuff
i love the line about Joyce Meyers.
saintben2008 5 months ago
such insight and belly laughs
zaynzaynzayn 6 months ago
What do you mean, "not responsible"? You mean something unpleasant will happen? Are you afraid of something? No wonder Unitarianism is so vapid and small; you're about as "diverse" as cream cheese and without a fresh slew of converts, you'd by where the Shakers are now. Ridiculous organization. Vapid, simpering, prim and pseudo-progressive.
NixonisLord 7 months ago
I love Betty! I feel this character is more fleshed out than Shirley Q. It's like all the women I used to work with at the library here in N.C. "What do you people believe in!?" I love the way everything that happens to her no matter how trivial; causes her to have a breakdown! Classic!
Almond2000 8 months ago
"they did the mingling of the waters. ....what??"
Timinbrooklyn 1 year ago
this is my favorite betty video!
chintzeyruth 1 year ago
lol me and my gf love betty so much. we laugh for hours watching these vids. thanks for postin
tjomc82 1 year ago
Betty is my hero!!!!
ryanboy44441 1 year ago
"Half of 'em is witches, half of 'em is atheists, and the other half don't believe nothin'."
Hahahaha! =P
ElasticGiraffe 1 year ago
These things are so funny that all I need to make me laugh is bring up Betty. She's does more good than any antidepressant ever could.
jstvwrnw 2 years ago 2
At UU church in Arlington TX a man said I was "cross dressing" because I wore a skirt. At that I tried to get him to read a NY Times article from way back showing society's dismal treatment of women in pants. He REFUSED to look at it!! See, the mental "health" CULT is overly represented at UU churches. It's like a Black coming & they say he can come, BUT WE KNOW HE'S A "NIGGER." All psych labeling is defamatory! By the way, men wore skirts AS MEN for 1,000's of years!! STUPID UU people!!!
skirts365 2 years ago
@skirts365 I had never really thought about the possiblity of wearing a skirt to church. That takes balls!
baddave62 4 months ago
@baddave62 Usually a UU will argue against my points (can't be done) or just go silent. None of the area UU churches will answer me. I'm correct. BUT if my points are allowed to be aired, they risk losing income because mental health cultists could pull out and go elsewhere, anywhere they won't be criticized Income is what matters most to any UU church---not "free and responsible search for truth and meaning." Not when it reveals mental health cultists as quacks, frauds and power seekers..
skirts365 4 months ago
@skirts365 Maybe they just wanted a free and responsible search up your skirt.
baddave62 4 months ago
@baddave62 You know what you just belched out is blarney blather. Additionally, a man's right to personal privacy rests on identical legal grounds prohibiting such offenses as aiming a camera up a woman's skirt. It would be constructive if you'd recognize the issues I raised rather than being uselessly flippant. The UU are moral failures. I wish they'd offended the Sultan of Brunei, who'd launch a $2 billion advertising campaign to embarrass them. They end up as bad as fundamentalists.
skirts365 4 months ago
@skirts365 If you ever get a large inheritance or win the lottery, you should consider buying a sense of humor.
baddave62 4 months ago
@baddave62 Arguments are not won by evading issues. Nor are they won by shallow use of hackneyed cliches. Those evidently are your only armamentarium, and shows your senseless bravado a failure.
skirts365 4 months ago
@skirts365 Please list for me my hackneyed cliches.
baddave62 4 months ago
@baddave62 No need to--you did it yourself in previous post. Are you ready to confront issues, or do you intend to continue this fruitless jousting with the impotent evasions you cannot capitalize on?
skirts365 4 months ago
@skirts365 As I suspected--you couldn't find any. As far as confronting issues--you're the one who has issues with wearing girlie clothes, it's really not an issue for me. Perhaps you need to clarify "fruitless jousting with the impotent evasions you cannot capitalize on"--it reads like a visual word salad. Have you stopped taking your schizophrenia meds?
baddave62 4 months ago
@baddave62 You sure as hell used a hackneyed cliche. Girlie clothes? There are none past those dictated by anatomy, your criteria is mere stereotype & entirely superficial, finally you fall back on psychiatry in attempt to win argument you already lost. Psychiatry is a thoroughly discredited enterprise and recognized as only a tool to suppress nonconformity. It's in bed with Big Pharma--TV is saturated with commercials on lawsuits against them. "Visual word salad," another hackneyed cliche.
skirts365 4 months ago
@skirts365 Perhaps you don't know the definition of "hackneyed cliche." If you can't afford a dictionary, they can be found online or in your public library. I will agree with you, however, that in your case psychiatry was most defininely insufficient.
baddave62 4 months ago
@baddave62 You aren't stupid, you're stubborn. You used such cliches twice and opt to deny rather than concede. Psychiatry is always adequate to muddy the waters. I corresponded with a UU from Georgia, an attorney, who "had psychologicals thrown out of court." At least he's honest in admitting the psych cult has no place in courtrooms. The more you try to use appeals to psychiatry to win arguments, the more you show your argument has no merit "have you stopped your schizophrenia meds" ASS!!
skirts365 4 months ago
@skirts365 My bad, of course you haven't stopped the meds, evidently you never took them in the first place. What exactly is my argument that has not merit? I eagerly await your next word salad.
baddave62 4 months ago
@baddave62 Big Pharma makes toxins not medications. You are so full of shit to assert that someone you're in conflict with has head problems! You mentioned "girlie clothes," asshole--review National Geographic for last 80 years. Men globally wearing all types skirts. You stupid CRETIN all you do is reason by association. You field of view is limited to the narrow social context you are immersed in. You can't understand anyone who reasons past mass hypnosis "skirts are girlie clothes"---
skirts365 4 months ago
@skirts365 You should get some nice lace panties to go with your skirts and then powder your nose. And hopefully the powder will have psychoactive properties and help you calm down and giggle more.
baddave62 4 months ago
@baddave62 Anyone reading this debate can see your argumentation is mere invective and appeal to using psychiatry as character assassination. 400 years ago the accusations were "heretic" you would have caused some deaths, just because you don't like what someone is wearing. Folks, this jerk went from "I had never really thought about the possiblity of wearing a skirt to church. That takes balls!" to the degenerated mud slinging and exaggeration of my views that he's retreated to.
skirts365 4 months ago
@skirts365 Speaking of balls, do ever like to wear a skirt with no underpants and then sit on a dude's lap at church? I think that would be really fun during a rousing gospel number. My suggestion would be Looking for a City,
baddave62 4 months ago
They don't believe nothing....too damn funny!
billyboylb 2 years ago
Funniest thing I've seen in a long time.
MtMozart 2 years ago
okay the quaker church part was the shit. i loved this.
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DharmaMareLili 2 years ago
"Half of em's witches, half of 'em is atheist, and the other half don't believe in nothin'."
A-BWAHAHAHA!!!! I LOVE ME SOME BETTY!!!!!!
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Andreaisagoddess47 3 years ago
I love these Betty Butterfield clips.
Actually, I plan to visit a Unitarian Universalist church myself pretty soon. =)
Popsicle1988 3 years ago
How did you like the experience of the UUC? I myself found them to be a bit phony.
msgordon71 2 years ago
When's Betty going to come to the synagogue? I'm waiting deary. Shalom sweety:)
OldJewessWhore 3 years ago 10
I'm watching this drunk.. haaa.. betty butterfield and i'm alcohoolic. lollz
doldromofthemerry 3 years ago
mmmHello? Betty, you're solid gold!!!
FizzgigsFluffer 3 years ago
"I'm Betty, and I'm an alcoholic!" LMAO!
Seriously hilarious.
oywidapoodles 3 years ago
I felt so judged and abused... at Wal-Mark... after the mingling of the waters.
I swear I almost peed my pants watchin this one. Love this crazy ass queen.
athleticboi4msl 3 years ago 2
Hahaha! That was awesome!
PositiveChillout 3 years ago
I just finished vocal music class and dropped into the computer room on my out. I looked this guy/gal up because of jehovah witness interests.
I swear we practiced the opening song of this video. It is a shaker hymn. Boy...what is god trying to tell me...where the hell is the lipstick!
SpiritualMentor 3 years ago
WHAT 'S BECOME OF ME ?
Patriotman54 3 years ago
david fletcher recommend this video
Patriotman54 3 years ago
Why does that song sound so familiar in the begining? What's the name of it? Is it "tis a gift to be simple tis a gift to be free"?
bynxcat1 3 years ago
Yes.
ProfMTH 3 years ago
I'm Catholic, and in my parish we sing a song to the same tune called "Lord of the Dance."
janets9179 3 years ago
sounds like it must be pretty
poosaypirate 2 years ago
"I don't need all that"!
OMG, I laughed til my sides hurt
sms1777 4 years ago
LMAO! "Half of them is witches, half of them is atheists and the other half don't in nothin"
LOVE IT!
bakaboy2000 4 years ago 3
Betty, you made me laugh out loud and laugh really hard. Thank you.
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*ROTFLMAO*, Oh Betty, your hysterical!!
fonna 4 years ago 2
LORD you could have heard a pin drop
ROFL
kalindoscopy 4 years ago
LMAO. "Hello I'm Betty Butterfield and I'm an alcoholic!"
olivertwist87 4 years ago 2
Perfection!!!!!!!
marshamcluhan 4 years ago
Betty has more spirituality in her than all the chuches combined . . . . I LOVE BETTY! Keep on exploring!
ghostwriter11 4 years ago
LOL! That was funny! Betty is off the chain!
DollyPorterfan 4 years ago
I rest my case as a practicing atheist....BB u are the brightest star in the fermament. lmao
valland55 4 years ago 2
Bring your gardening gloves. Well give thanks to the earth. LOL
cincytuckyblk 4 years ago 2
You gotta give Betty credit, at least she does her research!
testpress 4 years ago
What was she saying?
I'm a UU and we belive in free religion, and are quite peaceful.
NekoOtome 4 years ago
unitarians don't believe in anything specific. so they don't believe in anything
chrispollock 4 years ago
Chris, Plenty of Unitarians believe in very specific things. Just because there are no specific beliefs that are common to ALL Unitarians (and I would even challenge that) doesn't mean that individual Unitarians don't believe anything.
All that aside, the video was pretty funny.
netferg 4 years ago
I am busting out laughing on the floor, and my dachshund now knows that I have lost my mind! I went to a UU church one fine Sunday morning, and they watched a movie about Rosa Parks! She was a great chick and all, but really! And they lit a chalice and read some somethin that didn't make no damn sense. And they opened up the "service" by singing a song called "Enter, Rejoice and Come In." Well, what is there to rejoice about if they don't know what the hell they believe?
cghslp 5 years ago
Your hilarious c.
indamidst 4 years ago
This is the funniest of all her vids almost as funny as the Testimony!
BFBoy31 5 years ago
Well W1ndreader needless to say I agree 100% with you. In fact it is U*Us like Rev. Ray Drennan who have inspired me to come up with the bon mot that some of the U*Us I know are very free with the truth but far from responsible with it. Unfortunately that saying applies to a fair number of U*U clergy and even top level UUA officials. I am now in the very small minority of U*Us who are "excommunicated" U*Us. . . ;-)
RobinEdgar 5 years ago
You must except that Jesus Christ died on the cross for your sins and that he rose from the dead in order to be saved. If you are really saved you will yield to Jesus Christ's teachings.
rws2006 5 years ago
Except?! That's the funniest typo I've seen in awhile, rws2006.
eulalie21 5 years ago
haha! you believe that bullshit!?
prunepower 5 years ago
you must learn to spell accept right...
dookieguy1039 4 years ago
I guess I'm a fighter not a quitter. . . In any case I didn't quit. I was permanently expelled by the congregation during a Stalinistic "show trial", aka kangaroo court, disguised as a "special congregational meeting" on November 22nd, 1999. Apparently they were upset about the fact that I had the temerity to publicly protest against the anti-religious intolerance and bigotry of their fundamentalist atheist "Humanist" minister and other U*U injustices, abuses and hypocrisy.
RobinEdgar 5 years ago
well, Robin, I am a UU which is why I posted this. true UU philosophy is that we all have the right to a free and responsible search for our own truth. declaring from the pulpit that 'God does not exist and belief in God is silly' may be free, but it is not responsible. and in the interest of full disclosure I am int the 'half of them which is witches'.
w1ndreader 5 years ago
Hey RobinEdgar, how come it took you six years to figure out that UU church wasn't for you?
TheUrbanSquirrel 5 years ago
I was a member of the Unitarian Church of Montreal from 1993 to 1999. Rev. Ray Drennan, a fundamentalist atheist "Humanist" U*U, preached sermons that declared God to be a non-existent being and asserted that belief in God seems primitive. Besides doing that he labeled my personal monotheistic religious beliefs as "silliness and fantasy" and in an editorial that slammed the Roman Catholic state funeral of Pierre Trudeau he very publicly declared that most religious rituals are "meaningless".
RobinEdgar 5 years ago
Awesome! Too funny! Too true. . . BTW It should noted that attending a Unitarian "Church" can be hazardous to your spiritual health. As Betty Butterfield noted a lot of U*Us are atheists. Some are anti-religious fundamentalist atheist bigots who go out of their way to make life miserable for God believing people. Do you know any other "church" where a minister can preach that God does not exist and belief in Gof seems primitive? I can't. . .
RobinEdgar 5 years ago
Wait a minute - I have never heard a UU minister preach that god does not exist - HAVE YOU EVER HEARD a UU sermon? They are all about CHOICE - a UU minister never preaches about what each one of us should believe. AND, UUs do believe in SOMETHING - just because it may not be what you agree with doesn't mean it's wrong. Get a grip.
zerdda 5 years ago
I have heard many U*U "sermons". That's how I heard Rev. Ray Drennan preach that God is a "non-existent being" and that belief in God "seems primitive". . . U*U ministers regularly preach sermons about what we should believe. The "fundie" atheist U*Us firmly believe that God is NOTHING. I agree with most U*U principles and ideals. What most certainly IS wrong is that a whole lot of U*Us flagrantly disregard and outright violate their claimed principles and ideals.
RobinEdgar 5 years ago
I went to a Unitarian Church for awhile and I had the same thought: "What do they believe in?"
inkedcalf 5 years ago
Hey! Don't be bad mouthin' Joyce! She helped me through some long scary nights before I was properly medicated. You sure know your churches. Amen (meaning I'm in agreement). So far... I'm looking forward to finding out which church you choose.
aerotrooper 5 years ago