Pekiti Tirsia Knife Tapping Explained

[fewag]

schön, aber nix davon würde funktionieren, wenn der messermann auch mal mit der freien hand zuschlagen würde...

[HertaoNOLA]

@fewag Das ist nicht ganz richtig. Es gibt viele Techniken, die man anwenden kann, wenn der Angreifer (mit dem Messer) seine freie Hand benuetzt, aber diese Techniken sind nicht Teil dieses Videos - was eigentlich offensichtlich sein sollte. Das Video ist nur ein kurzes Beispiel fuer den Basisdrill.

[fewag]

@HertaoNOLA und ich würde dir mit sicherheit das gegenteil beweisen, etwas fussarbeit und der einsatz der freien hand und nichts davon klappt. Aber is ja auch egal, hauptsache ihr habt spass und seit damit zufrieden...

[xcorsary]

great vid!

[sageofthepaths]

Do not get lost in the technicalities. I am a Filipino and here we keep things as simple as possible. Constant drilling is the key to hone your reflexes, proper movements and engram your brain but keep explanations simple so as not to confuse those uninitiated. Ultimately, when the shit hits the fan, you're reflexes will do all the talking for you. Mabuhay ang pekiti tirsia kali, tangkilikin natin ang sariling atin ^^

[kerux74]

Thank you for the info. I had learned these moves years ago, never was taught the theory. It makes alot more sense now.

[williebl2005]

I like your presentation. Broken down real well. Thanks for posting.

[MERVILLE3]

An excellent vdeo that illustrates the progression wonderfully

[derfilmmacher]

Nice vid. I do Cacocy Doce Pares but I've been to several Leo Gaje seminars and train Pekiti Tirsia and Ilustrisimo guys. I have found what you call primary hand parrying/passing useful at really close ranges against pumping thrusts. If you can get control the thruster's arm at the elbow, you can use his momentum to turn his body.

[acdcnate07]

This is not primary tapping...The primary tap comes from the Pakal grip, it is "knife to knife tactics", this is the secondary and tertiary taps, something that is learned later. If you do not know the primary tap, then you have not trained properly. Tim Waid went over this at every seminar I have been too... Don't be an internet martial artist.

[HertaoNOLA]

I demonstrate the use of the primary hand at the beginning of the video, and then explain why I prefer to use the secondary and tertiary first. Either you watched with no sound, or you don't know what you're talking about. Watch Tuhon McGrath's video responses. You're not going to tell him he doesn't know what the primary hand is either, right?

[selfcritical]

In force-on force drilling, i've found that if the attacker uses a very forceful, "Sewing machine" attack, then using the secondary hand results in getting stabbed often on the first motion. If the reverse triangular footwork is used against a committed attack to crash the line, you find yourself zoned away from the rear hand.

[HertaoNOLA]

Completely agree with you selfcritical. If the attacker leads with the same foot as the hand he's stabbing with, the technique in the video above works well, because hitting him in the face (or attempting to) occupies his other hand and gives enough access to the weapon limb.  If he uses a "sewing machine" attack leading with the opposite foot, using the free hand to keep you off, it becomes VERY difficult. You need to then zone deeply to either side and change your response.

[HYBRIDCOMBATIVES]

@HertaoNOLA You might get cut/stabbed on 1st beat of motion, but it gives a good "defang" by controlling the weapon arm while still allowing the other hand to strike and cover. I work in the armed protection field (and am a kali-silat instructor), and I have used this against and edged weapon. it is functional.

[HYBRIDCOMBATIVES]

@selfcritical i agree as well. Many of these drills regardless of the FMA discipline only function because the feeder delivers an angled attack and "allows" the receiver to execute his defensive action. I have been involved in edged weapon Use Of Force situations and the attacks are always FAST, non predictable and repetitive in "sewing machine" fashion.

[selfcritical]

Have you seen guro crafty's "Die less often"? He explosively enters and secures the two-on-one under pressure using the crosshand successfully.

[HertaoNOLA]

I have seen it, and I think it's better than most of what's out there, but I'm not a fan of it. I think it's too easy for the attacker to nail you with the other hand in the head as he moves offline. My opinion is that you need to shock him with a palm/punch in the face.

[HYBRIDCOMBATIVES]

@HertaoNOLA I agree my friend. Flow drill mentality in your defense will lead you down a path of getting cut up and stabbed. It's pretty but not very functional. This isn't the fault of "Kali" it is the fault of the way the training is re-interpretted to suit the defensive nature of training in west because of Law and legislation.

[HYBRIDCOMBATIVES]

@HertaoNOLA well said guys. Direct entries using violence of action rather than playing knife patty-cake is far more functional in real edged weapon combat. I doubt chief Lapu-Lapu defeated Magellan by challenging him to a Hubud-Lubud speed competition.

[HYBRIDCOMBATIVES]

@HertaoNOLA an "overhook" wrap with the secondary hand with repeated tertiary strikes to face and vitals (while shielding/covering) works pretty well to... as long as you are applying the "violence of action" aggressively.

[Rapist87]

@HertaoNOLA That's your opinion and you are entitled to it, but remember that when performed correctly the "dog catcher" is performed with violent triangular footwork and a headbutt, not just triangular footwork with the arms up to intercept the blade hand. On the DLO dvds many of the students pictured in the force on force scenario training drills had never seen the material before and were essentially first timers with only two days of training and therefore many failed to apply the headbutt..

[Rapist87]

@HertaoNOLA ...Those that did apply the headbutt had considerable success ( even with their limited training) and many of the students who failed to apply the headbutt still managed to successfully "survive" what were fairly aggressive assaults ( for a two day course ). Obviously with continued training they would be expected to perform better than they did on the dvds, but still performed well which suggests its not a bad method - Believe me I've seen MUCH worse. Not that I'm attacking you...

[Rapist87]

...because I'm not. This is a nice video and explains some important details, and yes when attacked (with a knife or otherwise) smacking him in the face as hard as you can is usually a good idea. However for me personally if I'm going to punch him then I will pre empt him before he launches his attack (the shifty blighter) if he comes at me first it's dog catcher for me all the way as I've trained it hard full contact and had good results. As it says on the tin I "Died less often".

[naughtiusmaximus222]

Brilliant video guys. Perfect explanation of when and when not to use the primary hand. Fantastic.

[nerdking81]

brilliant. in the same vein as the sombrada vid. great job guys!

[HertaoNOLA]

Thanks...glad you liked it. I've got another I'll be adding in the next few days on wing chun and boxing.