Is half the footage in this made up? Cause I watched every episode of DS9 and I don't remember any footage of Earth getting destroyed like that. Like the footage around the 3.00 mark.
@csgrambauer Although the story line is roughly the same, some creative liberties have been taken. You will find non-Star Trek footage throughout the Dominion War series.
@kosstmoran Okay well fair enough. I just wish I could find these war episodes intact somewhere to watch again. I haven't seen these episodes for so long now it would be nice to watch them again.
@kosstmoran I know right? That sucks so much. There was this one guy who had all the episodes so far of Enterprise and because I couldn't find the episodes anywhere else I watched them (can't afford the prices for the dvd series sets - $160 or more for just one season?!) so it was nice to watch them on here for free. But yeah his channel was removed for violations and so on. So episodes do get removed quickly too. Plus I don't advertise the eps if I find any.
Dont get-me rong STAR TREEK is a great serie but all the entrerprise model´s are all exploration ship´s does the federation have not armored batlle cruiser´s...
The reason so many races in Star Trek's universe appear to be variations on humans was explained in TNG. The creator race that made them happen to look that way and made all the other races they seeded throughout the universe look like themselves.
So the Dominion forces converged and commited their forces to attack Earth instead of defend ds9? It has been yrs since I have watched season 5-7 of the DWar. I know the power relays got knocked off. So Earth suffers heavy casualties?
OK,FEDERATION IS COMPOSED OF 200 SOME RACES RIGHT?SO WHY THERE IS ONLY HUMAN SHIPS DEFENDING ALL,none vulcan ships,no any other race,its funny,cardasians are strong as 200 races from alpha qudrant?star trek has so much stupid facts..
but there are others race.The klingons and the romulans are helping the federation.And vulcan ships are not involved,because the vulcans have been integrated into the federation.I've also never seen vulcan ships.And sorry if my english is not so good,I'm from Germany
@CIarKent some episodes indicate (like startrek enterprise) that volcans have their own more advanced ships,some other races have their own ships and designs,so i asume these ships are humans ships :/..but too little info on that
@MrSmigul "enterprise" was set before the Federation was formed, so starfleet was just an Earth organization. after other races joined the Earth Alliance they were incorporated into Starfleet.
the reason we see mostly humans on starfleet is simply because we only see the starships which operate in the area of space where Earth is, while other starships in more distant areas of the Federation probably carry far less humans. people tend to prefer to serve on starships closer to their home planets
@MrSmigul In the Star Trek movie from 2009 they let more aliens appear on screen. The problem was that a well made mask cost more than 4 hours of time for the actor. So I believe its much easier and cheaper for the producers to let the crews appear human. But ClarKents answer is still good. Think about this when watching Star Trek
Me personally, I see a part of the crew as human placeholders for other races. The others are there, even if I dont see them ;)
@ jodecideion. Yes, really. YouTube has done far more damage to Star Trek's legacy than good. Instead of showing plain, unedited clips of the various series and movies it's filled with far too many clips like this one; heavily edited and filled with non-Star Trek material. This video's author... and the authors of all the other clips like it... dirty the name of Star Trek. They cheapen and denigrate it... and should be ashamed of themselves.
@jodecideion I Agree with you. I think that if you guys had watched the entire series by the great link, you would see the humor and the true scale of the death and destruction that the dominion war caused. He used scenes from more than just star ship troopers to convey his vision of what the Total war was like.
The Federation should have learned from its history. They should have dozens of large carriers with thousands of small but heavily armed and heavily armored fighters.
This is perhaps the dumbest bastardization of Star Trek I've seen in a long time. Combining it with Starship Troopers and other lesser sci-fi? How dare you insult Star Trek by polluting it with clips from inferior franchises.
Johnathan Frakes recently said in an interview that the federation had 1800 ships during the war. Including the runabouts. I hope this clears the matter up. The romulans had 76,000
It's too bad they couldnt create more models for federation ships instead of using the same model over and over again. They had many more classes of ships than just those.
@GoddyofWar Where was the Enterprise during all of this? Well they were out making the shitty movie Insurrection.I mean at the height of the Dominion War and do they make a great TNG movie about it? Nope...we got Insurrection *rolls eyes*
Also I find it amusing that you think Utopia Planitia was the sole shipyard for the UFP. It demonstrates how dishonest you are when we know that in addition to that shipyard, there was the San Francisco shipyards orbiting Earth, Copernicus Ship Yards , 40 Eridani A Starfleet Construction Yards, Luna Shipyards, Earth Station McKinley, and many more. They should not only be able to build new ships, but bring in more from other parts of the UFP to fill in for the losses.
Tooo many changes in the thing it jumps from attacking then talking then attacking then talking!!!! AHHHH and some scenes are from other movies... XD......
@DarkKnightBob1o1 how they have over 12,000 ships what the entire fleet is just going to go a bit to the left and hope the enemy doesn't notice and keep going straight
I find it strange that it is so easy to unarm Earth. Just like already in "Star Trek the Motion picture". And in "First Contact" it also was so vulnerable.
Dude whats with the Starship troopers stuff? Again, why using material not related to startrek? This "series" of videos is about StarTrek, right? Why use first StarGate and now Starship troopers?
Well it doesnt make thie videos less good its just... disturbing. Its like finding meat in your vegetable soup. Its not meant to be.
You see how advanced a war ship they can make when its actually designed to be a warship with the defiant before that they had no warships they were still as advanced or close to most of the more advanced races they met and given their ideals they wouldn't field as big a fleet as they could look at other empires that focus on war if the feds were like that they'd have many more ships and they'd have troops as the other empires do and they have so many races they would outnumber almost everyone.
now im no startrek expert but what kind of ships are those at 8:00 ? i played some of the video games and am familiar with some of the classes but it was many years ago and the games aren't always the be all and end all of cannon information
at 9:26 (ish) Chief O'brian has different markings on his sleves, in navies rank worn on sleives is identical on both sleves. I realise that tis is not the (Royal Navy), but can you explain? Forgive me I've wasted enough of your time! W
Its funny how Star Trek finds ways to place captains in charge of large fleets. I know. I know. Its a TV series but a weak link to have the Picards and Siskos play such command roles in fleets are involved. Still enjoy it and thanks for ur creative uploads.
this was the funnies DS9 Spoof ever.....I loved it.....unfortunatly it seems alot of people didnt get it....But real hard core DS9 followers loved it.
I recognize the schenes from Starship Troopers but the clip at 3:08 mins/9:56 showing the SF Bay Bridge and other destruction. Tell me where that came from please.
the clip at 3:08 was star fleet intelligence hq after it was attacked by the Breen. but the clips before that like where Moscow were destroyed that was from stargate.
So Star Fleet has built over 200 years nearly 80,000 ships and all they can muster in this little fleet is 650 thats so incredible I don't believe it, and I do not believe there would be any miranda's or excelsiors left they would have all been dismantled for as mentioned Korolev and Rigel class star ships I do not believe the Federation are quite so backward espcially as the Rigel was the replacement to the aging Excelsior in term of support vessels to the Ambassador class expensive or not !
it's starships are spread out over vast distances, sometimes years away from Earth.
also in order to defend a 3 dimensional space you have to keep a lot of starships on all sides. starfleet couldn't pull all its ships for one mission, they still had to keep most ships on the borders.
I doubt they'll need many on all sides seeing as the romulans and klingons are their biggest neighbours, a few hundred to keep their eyes on the Tholians and Gorn maybe but I doubt even the Ferengi Alliance will even bother the Federation while in this war seeing as Dominion Space in the Gamma Quadrent is equal to Borg Territory...
at this point in the war the Romulans were neutral. and they allowed Dominion ships to pass through their space to attack the Federation. so the Federation had to keep ships on the Romulan border as well.
the Dominion sent ships around the entire Federation in order to get through weak spots in the border and invade unguarded systems.
that's how they were able to conquer Betazed and Benzar
The Large Fleet the Vulcan Rear Admiral mentions is all the Dominion have so they wouldn't be testing Federation lines at 8000 light years across otherwise their forces would be spread too far and too thin!
Yes it is all the Dominion have by this point they have very little ship yards left as they were destroyed when the Federation took DS9 and the cloning Facility has by now been destroyed. You have gone from saying they have other borders to survey and this is but a skirmish while the minefield is still in place tosaying they have lots of starships and fighting the Federation on all fronts. There Star ships are bigger and powerfuller 3 galaxy wings equal a battleship!
@debrick2490 you think when theres 8,000 light years of three dimensional territory to guard that 80,000 ships is a lot? and theres no reason the older ships of the fleet wouldnt be there,,,its the same in modern fleets a large one is expensive to run and new ships are a massive investment...even if youre modernising you dont just canabilise every old ship you have you would need them to fill in he numbers
@GamingLeeLee I didn't say 80,000 was alot I can't believe thats all they have built in 200 years! I would like to think that as a Universe that wants the Human race to always better itself they wouldn't keep anything older than the Ambassador class, The rigels and Korolevs at a push maybe but seeing Miranda's is heart breaking all apart from Captain Bateson in 'Cause and Effect' LoL...!
@debrick2490 well yeah I see what youre getting at but how many do you expect them to build? they havent exactly kept EVERY ship they've ever built in 200 years, the oldest ships are of course gone,,,they see long life service (as youve obviously noticed) because its cheaper than buildng a whole new fleet every few decades but they dont just build them and keep them forever ... again its the same with a modern fleet you need only do a lil research to see the same thing recurring again and again
@GamingLeeLee We're not talking about our Universe though are we but even if some of our more realistic recurrances did apply I still don't see that they would in the Star Trek universe would still be using anything older than an Excelsior class as they are Galor/ Vor' cha Class rivals and on both sides between the Cardassian and Klingons so many would have been built and Roddenberry estimated that the Federation would have in use around 25,000! Just I hope for every 50 dismantled 50 would be re
@debrick2490 ahh now youre making a mistake that a lot of people keep making... no we're obviously not talking about our universe but they do base as much as possible off real life, anti matter for example is not fiction, and as for everything else they need to make everything beleiveable and beleive me to most people the idea of building one ship for everyone scrapped a bit daft ... just because its sci-ficiton doesnt mean they;re going to bend EVERY rule there is,,,just the ones of convinience
@GamingLeeLee Its not daft to think that they will scrap one for a rebuild Stalin said himself and Dukat did Quantity is a quality of its own but as we know The Federation aren't an Empire and they do have the resources to build new for old just think of how many Intrepid class starships they would get out of recycling alot old ships like the excelsiors seeing as especially if they used Holotechnology i.e. all those spare EMH1's they had doing the mining to help with man power issues! no mistake
@debrick2490 yeah but the federation isnt communist and doesnt ahve either dukat or starlin in charge lol I just dont think they go for that kind of approach, even the design of their ships doesnt say that to me (built for multi purpose and highly advanced which must be very expensive compared to say a cardassian design which is a no holes barred warship), tho I would imagine they do recycle the old ships when they do scrap them though, i mean why not?
@GamingLeeLee All Alliances have a slightly communist streak its how Politics works look at the Labour Party lol! Federation Space is bigger by three fold in comparison to any of its soverignty neighbours and to be fair as advanced as their Starships are in Star Fleet the biggest ever seen was the Galaxy so as costly as they are I don't the Federations economics being too weakoned espcially as mentioned the Intrepid being built smaller and yet more advanced so for every Galor there should be 2!
@debrick2490 ok going to avoid the politics bit,,,thats a whole different convo lol and -shrug- not nessecarily, there never has been much detail on how much the ships cost, for all we know compared to a galor the intrepid may cost 2 or 3 times the amount so there maybe 2 galor for everu 1 intrepid....man all this stuff makes you wish the cannon was a bit more organised :S about the only stuff thats 100% certain half the time is they all have guns :D
@GamingLeeLee Sorry about the Politics its quite an offensive subject lol! With Economics in mind though we do know until the Dominion get involved the Cardassians are a third rate power and I'd say the Klingons equals saying that though not even the Romulan/Klingon alliance could thwart the Federation in realistic terms in an ideal universe after the Domion War and Nemesis by 2390 the three should really be part of the Federation but coming back to numbers the Federation is rich enough to build
@GamingLeeLee (continued) atleast 2 Intrepids to the Cardassian/ Klingon Galor/ Vor'cha realistically the romulan empire's territory lies in an area thats alot less in resources hence the ships artificial singularity power source! There'fore the Federation should have 2 even 3 Galaxy wings to their D'deridex class'...!
@debrick2490 then why did they only build only around 15 galaxy's in the class' entire history? yet their appear to be a lot more D'deridex class ships hanging around than their have been galaxy. Surely if things were as you put it they could have churned out as many of the galaxy as they had done say the nebula class or even akira which appear to be far more numerous which would make more sense given the classes shear power but they didnt
@GamingLeeLee This is why I am starting again by saying I can't believe why The Federation are incredibly backward 15 Galaxy wings Canon or otherwise just seems like they would be easily conquerable but they won this war! In my Star Trek universe the oldest of the fleets ships are Korolevs and Rigel class' used Frigates/ destroyers say 2/300 each left in service, ambassador class' used as Galaxy/ nebula support vessals say ~700 in service to me its slightly more realistic by next gen standards
@GamingLeeLee (continued) Nebula's/ Galaxy's should be put out in there hundreds and Federation Grave Yards shouldn't really exist in terms of a forward thinking society we shouldn't see ships pre-Ambassador class! That Dyson Sphere for example should be being dismantled for resources just seems the federation wouldn't really win such a war in reality!
the exelsior's are 2. only to the akira class they would be more than a match for an galaxy class in terms of firepower(only shields are less other than that equal) the exelsior is an warship like the akira the galaxy isnt!
the exelsior MK II is far more powerfull than an ambassador class. LUCKY that the storry writers were unable to think about that the defiant got SHIELDS and every other ship not besides the exelsior got transwarp engine's (mentioned when kirk meet the NX exelsior in spacedock) all of them could easily warp to cardassia and wipe out the shipyards but NO ONE THOUGHT ABOUT IT
@KoutaSeto The exelsior has been upgraded to mk 4 by next gen standards and would be atleast mk 5 by the time the soveriegn appears so I would imagine the Ambassador would have been given 2 major overhaul + atleast a a few minor upgrades since the galaxy class so I very much doubt the excelsior and its aging hull could stand any such major conflicts especially up against a heavy cruiser...Look at the Soyuz and Miranda class' to be fair they aren't much older than the excelsior and they are poop!
@debrick2490 Mirandas are FAR older than the Excelsior. By the time the NX-2000 was built, most Mirandas had been in service for 40 years. They were built at the same time as the Consitution Class, and had undergone the same major refit from TOS and TMP. By the time of the war they were barely 'Destroyers" even with upgrades, were they were once the heavy cruisers of their day. An Ambassador of ANY refit would have whipped the floor with an Excelsior.
@debrick2490 Starfleet only ever fielded 8,400 ships at the most just before the Dominion War. Backstage sources indicate that was the size of the fleet after the build up leading to the the War. In piece time they had around 7,000. They were loosing around 200+ ships a month during the war as well. The first six weeks were the worst, as they lost nearly 1,000 ships in that time. These are back stage numbers.
@GeneralKenobiSIYE So... what're your "backstage" sources for this number? I've seen an interview with Robert Hewitt Wolfe and Ron Moore online where they've indicated that Starfleet had as many as 40,000 starships. Given that the Dominion-Cardassian-Breen alliance at it's height fielded at least 30,000 ships, the Fed-Romulan-Klingon alliance would have had to have that many, or far more to counter it, and push into Cardassian territory.
@Nowhereman10 You've gotta think of what types of ships made those numbers up. The vast majority were bugships. If Starfleet had 40,000 ships, the Federation wouldn't have needed an alliance with the Klingons and Romulans. They could have fought the war on their own. Between the 3 powers, the allies were still out numbered badly. The Federation was the most powerful of the 3. 40,000 ships for the Feds alone don't work in this case. They could have fielded 35,000 for battle and still...
@GeneralKenobiSIYE Why wouldn't they? The Federation has other things to worry about. The Dominion was said to be impressive in it's rebuilding efforts, which is why the push to take Cardassia went forward in WYLB. We also saw the Dominion/Breen fleet surrounding Cardassia. It was so huge it was a cloud of ships completely covering it, and the Fed/Rom/Klingon/Carddie fleet was enough to bottle that in. That's tens of thousands of ships.
@Nowhereman10 ... and still have 5,000 to patrol their territory. The Federation isn't big enough to need 40,000 ships. If that were the real numbers, no ship would ever be more than a few hours away from the next at maximum warp. If there were really 40,000 ships as you say, they would have been able to muster larger fleets. The average fleet was around 200-300 ships each. Only twice did these numbers break 600. The retaking of DS9 and the push on Cardassia. And so far only 11 fleets..
@Nowhereman10 ... thought to exist, as that is the highest number ever heard on DS9. The 7th fleet had only like 197 ships I think, and they had to pull elements from almost all of them to make up the force that retook DS9, only giving them 632 ships I believe. If there were 40,000 Federation ships, the alliance would not have been out numbered. I'd believe 9,000 Feds at the most, as the Romulans never fielded as many ships as the Feds and Klingons. They still fell desperately short in numbers.
@GeneralKenobiSIYE That's a blatent lie on your part. In "Sacrifice of Angels", the combined elements of the 2nd and 5th fleets was enough for 624 ships. This leaves out whatever the 9th fleet elements would have added to that number, but did not add since they could not arrive in time. The 7th fleet was rebuilt later on and is referenced again in "Inquistion", having suffered even more losses. So, let's see here, hundreds of ships lost, yet somehow the Federation never runs out of ships.
@GeneralKenobiSIYE Yet those numbers were replenished. If the Federation only had a few thousand ships, as you imply, then not only would they have not had enough for the push into Cardassia, allies or not, but they would have lost every ship they had in 2 years of fighting the Dominion War as well as well as the 2nd Borg invasion and the year or so of skirmishing with the Klingons. Not to mention they still would need ships for picket duty on other borders, like the Tholians.
@Nowhereman10 Rick Berman and others have said in the past that the Federation had between 7,000-8,000 ships before the start of the war. By WYLB, the Allies had gotten efficient at destroying the Enemy. The Dominion's fleet WAS made up of more bugships than other classes. They had pulled ALL of their remaining fleet to Cardassia. 15,000-20,000 total combined ships is a lot. The Allies were still badly out numbered. Dominion ship production far exceeded Allied production.
@GeneralKenobiSIYE Where did Rick Berman say this? The only statements I have seen on the size of Starfleet are from Hewitt and Ron. Also, please provide proof that the the entire Dominion (including Carddie and Breen) fleet was made up of mostly bugships. The fact is that the Dominion had at it's height at least 30,000 ships, as per statements in the episodes. The Federation and allies had heavy losses as well, to, yet were able to replace those losses over several years of fighting.
@Nowhereman10 You can SEE the fleet is made of more than half of the attack ships! The battle for DS9! Those bug ships were blowing up left and right! Are you blind? The attack ships always out number the heavier ships to provide support and cover. Several years of fighting? The Dominion War was just under two years long. Even at their best, Planitia Utopia was never able to keep up with losses. If the Dominion had 30,000 ships at it's height, then how was the Federation not able to fight them..
@GeneralKenobiSIYE The fleets are also made up of Cardassian Galors, various large battleships, Hideki class ships and more. I say more likely it was closer to 1/4 ro 1/3rd of the fleet was JH attack ships. You forget that in addition to 2 years of fighting the Dominion War, the Federation also fought a war with the Klingons due to manipulation by the Founders, and fought off the second Borg invasion about the same time, losing at least hundreds of ships in the process. Thus several years.
@Nowhereman10 .. on their own? If they had 40,000 ships, you would think they could fight the Dominion alliance solo. Why then, were the allies still badly out numbered even after the Romulans joined? They were out numbered from the very beginning. If they had 40,000 ships, as you say, the Allies would have out numbered the Dominion 2 to 1. 40,000 just does NOT work. I also didn't say their fleet was MOSTLY bugships. I said they had more of that ONE class than any other. Big difference.
@GeneralKenobiSIYE Are you dense, or just acting that way? Seriously, I seem to run into the same sub-moronic Warsies hiding in every commentary thread here on YouTube. Look, during the War of 1812, the British fleet out numbered the U.S. one over 10 to 1. But they were not able to divert all their ships to that fighting, only part of them since much of the fleet was tied up elsewhere dealing with the French, and other powers. The UFP put the ships it could into the battle at the time.
@Nowhereman10 The Federation wasn't able to replace those losses. Sure they could rebuild a fleet's numbers, but replacing losses is not just that. They took the ships form the rest of the fleet not fighting. It's been alluded to before, that the Federation lost over half the fleet in the two years of fighting. These are all common beliefs among true Trekkies, and they were propagated by comments made by the writers and producers of the shows. If you were a true Trekkie, you'd know all this.
@GeneralKenobiSIYE Please provide quotes and evidence. I doubt you can, at least not without making shit up off the top of your head. We know about the Dominion and allies having 30k ships thanks dialog from "When it Rains..." where Martok says that 1500 Klingon ships will be modified in one day with the Breen weapon-resistant warp cores, and the Romulan rep says he'll be outnumbered 20 to 1. There is no dialog or anything else to indicate half the UFP fleet was lost. You are just making it up.
@debrick2490 also remember they would not have kept older ships in service. The average life span of ships before the 24th century was 25 years. In the early 24th, it grew to 50 with the Ambassador (of which they only built a few) , and with the Galaxy, Nebula, and Sovereign classes' lives around 100 years. The average small to medium ships still only served about 25 years. The Constitution only served as long as it did because of the major refit that doubled it's lifetime.
I love the part where you tried to pass off Starship Troopers, Armageddon and Stargate SG1 as DS9 footage. You fucking fraud.
Kainlarsen 21 hours ago
What show is this from?
MrOceanTravel00 2 days ago
@MrOceanTravel00 Star Trek Deep Space 9
EmptyRoxas 2 days ago
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Zerojquan 3 days ago
It is from Deep Space Nine?
xXTheoriXx 5 days ago
Wait a second... startek has fighters!?... I never knew that, learn something new every day.
Afarrell18 1 week ago
@Afarrell18 Makes you wonder where the Carriers are....
MtnMaiden 4 days ago
@Afarrell18
fighters, bombers, carriers, . . . , like ships/planes from our period, they have the same ;-)
TOFMDrone 4 days ago
why attack earth like sisko said the wormwhole was a strategic post for the quadrant
whynotbig 2 weeks ago
When Demar commented that "Unfortunate so many of your ships didn't survive the assault"...what episode was that from. I can't place it.
cfromcass 2 weeks ago
Is half the footage in this made up? Cause I watched every episode of DS9 and I don't remember any footage of Earth getting destroyed like that. Like the footage around the 3.00 mark.
csgrambauer 3 weeks ago
@csgrambauer Although the story line is roughly the same, some creative liberties have been taken. You will find non-Star Trek footage throughout the Dominion War series.
kosstmoran 3 weeks ago
@kosstmoran Okay well fair enough. I just wish I could find these war episodes intact somewhere to watch again. I haven't seen these episodes for so long now it would be nice to watch them again.
csgrambauer 2 weeks ago
@csgrambauer If you find a complete episode of DS9 on Youtube it will soon be deleted.
kosstmoran 2 weeks ago
@kosstmoran I know right? That sucks so much. There was this one guy who had all the episodes so far of Enterprise and because I couldn't find the episodes anywhere else I watched them (can't afford the prices for the dvd series sets - $160 or more for just one season?!) so it was nice to watch them on here for free. But yeah his channel was removed for violations and so on. So episodes do get removed quickly too. Plus I don't advertise the eps if I find any.
csgrambauer 2 weeks ago
Dont get-me rong STAR TREEK is a great serie but all the entrerprise model´s are all exploration ship´s does the federation have not armored batlle cruiser´s...
MsMartinsguilherme 1 month ago
@MsMartinsguilherme
You forget that StarFleet's "exploration ships" are mostly more than a match for theri enemy competitors.
himura85 1 month ago
@MsMartinsguilherme
They have armored transports for the Galaxy wings. But I don't think we ever see them.
44971719785648751978 1 month ago
@MsMartinsguilherme The Defiant and Promethius class ships are full on warships.
MegabyteUnleashed 3 weeks ago
The reason so many races in Star Trek's universe appear to be variations on humans was explained in TNG. The creator race that made them happen to look that way and made all the other races they seeded throughout the universe look like themselves.
EmperorofCartoons 1 month ago
So the Dominion forces converged and commited their forces to attack Earth instead of defend ds9? It has been yrs since I have watched season 5-7 of the DWar. I know the power relays got knocked off. So Earth suffers heavy casualties?
FrauIndian 1 month ago
what poem where they readingA?
MrAkbar2 3 months ago
@MrAkbar2, is from the Charge Of The British Light Brigade against Russians during the Battle of Alma in the Crimean War of 1854
Wolfen443 3 months ago 6
In destruction, there is an ironic beauty.
VulpesFidelis 3 months ago
While some of the footage is crossover, I'd have to say it was perfect to add to this video.
VulpesFidelis 3 months ago
i always wondored. what happened to all the advanced missles? you cant send those instead of the fking ships?
nightreaper999 3 months ago
I feel so sorry for Will....Sisco really really hates him...
Coffeextreme 3 months ago
@Coffeextreme Hahahaha exactly what I was thinking. Even Picard hates Will. He's always firing at Will. xD
csgrambauer 3 weeks ago
Coz the producer want us to think that the "human" was superior than any races..
kokojepry 4 months ago
THE GREAT FUCKIN STINK...
cincinatus90 4 months ago
Anyone noticed that in all great ST battles, all ships have their shields offline?
neilladriaansen 4 months ago
OK,FEDERATION IS COMPOSED OF 200 SOME RACES RIGHT?SO WHY THERE IS ONLY HUMAN SHIPS DEFENDING ALL,none vulcan ships,no any other race,its funny,cardasians are strong as 200 races from alpha qudrant?star trek has so much stupid facts..
MrSmigul 5 months ago
@MrSmigul
but there are others race.The klingons and the romulans are helping the federation.And vulcan ships are not involved,because the vulcans have been integrated into the federation.I've also never seen vulcan ships.And sorry if my english is not so good,I'm from Germany
vanilovesmetal 4 months ago
@MrSmigul what do you mean "human ships"? these are starfleet ships which have crewmembers from all races.
starfleet technology is a combination of the technology of all the planets of the federation.
CIarKent 4 months ago
@CIarKent some episodes indicate (like startrek enterprise) that volcans have their own more advanced ships,some other races have their own ships and designs,so i asume these ships are humans ships :/..but too little info on that
MrSmigul 4 months ago
@MrSmigul "enterprise" was set before the Federation was formed, so starfleet was just an Earth organization. after other races joined the Earth Alliance they were incorporated into Starfleet.
the reason we see mostly humans on starfleet is simply because we only see the starships which operate in the area of space where Earth is, while other starships in more distant areas of the Federation probably carry far less humans. people tend to prefer to serve on starships closer to their home planets
CIarKent 4 months ago 4
@CIarKent great answer,and i should know this if i think little about it,tnx,much clearer now and much more interesting to watch this now
MrSmigul 4 months ago
@MrSmigul In the Star Trek movie from 2009 they let more aliens appear on screen. The problem was that a well made mask cost more than 4 hours of time for the actor. So I believe its much easier and cheaper for the producers to let the crews appear human. But ClarKents answer is still good. Think about this when watching Star Trek
Me personally, I see a part of the crew as human placeholders for other races. The others are there, even if I dont see them ;)
johndoe3k5 4 months ago
@johndoe3k5 I believe that gene roddenbery wanted them to look like the people of today, and not of tommorow
Aurumk1 2 months ago
i just pooped my pants and i like to lick the window when it rains
mcrawford79 5 months ago
love this shit
grillinIstheLife 5 months ago
Starship troopers material? WTF!?
JAGTHEGEMINI 5 months ago
While I like the music and the sound effects, why am I not hearing any dialogue?
Seattlecarnut 6 months ago
@ jodecideion. Yes, really. YouTube has done far more damage to Star Trek's legacy than good. Instead of showing plain, unedited clips of the various series and movies it's filled with far too many clips like this one; heavily edited and filled with non-Star Trek material. This video's author... and the authors of all the other clips like it... dirty the name of Star Trek. They cheapen and denigrate it... and should be ashamed of themselves.
zsdersw1 7 months ago
i hate it when people modify videos in a way that is stupid
deerhunterp 7 months ago
@deerhunterp Have you even watch this series. He did a better job than the actually series.
jodecideion 7 months ago
@jodecideion I Agree with you. I think that if you guys had watched the entire series by the great link, you would see the humor and the true scale of the death and destruction that the dominion war caused. He used scenes from more than just star ship troopers to convey his vision of what the Total war was like.
ricogoldstar 7 months ago
The Federation should have learned from its history. They should have dozens of large carriers with thousands of small but heavily armed and heavily armored fighters.
Jesusisyhwh 7 months ago
why did they slide that scene from starship troopers into this scene.
kwolf43 7 months ago
Charge of the light brigade. Very appropriate poem O Brian.
dman04358 8 months ago
I love Chief O Brian reciting a great scene a into the jaws of death moment
mattsmt20 8 months ago
Doesnt look like it pays to be a fighter as they looked like they were getting shit kicked out of them
mattsmt20 8 months ago
This is perhaps the dumbest bastardization of Star Trek I've seen in a long time. Combining it with Starship Troopers and other lesser sci-fi? How dare you insult Star Trek by polluting it with clips from inferior franchises.
zsdersw1 8 months ago
@zsdersw1 Really? This guy did a great job with this series. Even with the Starship Troppers stuff.
jodecideion 7 months ago
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zsdersw1 8 months ago
Johnathan Frakes recently said in an interview that the federation had 1800 ships during the war. Including the runabouts. I hope this clears the matter up. The romulans had 76,000
Star12121 8 months ago
i bet damar as got a big dick..he looks so sexy
tomboyfatchicken 8 months ago
what's the music that plays at 2:25 ?
ChaosLORDish 10 months ago
It's too bad they couldnt create more models for federation ships instead of using the same model over and over again. They had many more classes of ships than just those.
SSPerfectChaos 10 months ago
Dukat and weyoun!!! what a double act!!!
Kallytom 11 months ago
Where was the Enterprise during all of this?
GoddyofWar 1 year ago
GoddyofWar in a blackhole
viperodox 11 months ago
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@GoddyofWar in a blackhole
viperodox 11 months ago
@GoddyofWar Where was the Enterprise during all of this? Well they were out making the shitty movie Insurrection.I mean at the height of the Dominion War and do they make a great TNG movie about it? Nope...we got Insurrection *rolls eyes*
rtds9fan 9 months ago
@rtds9fan I know right? You think they could've at least had a cameo of the ship during any of the battle scenes
SSJZTrunks91 9 months ago
Also I find it amusing that you think Utopia Planitia was the sole shipyard for the UFP. It demonstrates how dishonest you are when we know that in addition to that shipyard, there was the San Francisco shipyards orbiting Earth, Copernicus Ship Yards , 40 Eridani A Starfleet Construction Yards, Luna Shipyards, Earth Station McKinley, and many more. They should not only be able to build new ships, but bring in more from other parts of the UFP to fill in for the losses.
Nowhereman10 1 year ago
star trek is pooy
hudhastings1 1 year ago
2:40-2:50 What is that scene from? Also the scene immediately following it.
HaBooBo0 1 year ago
exelsior mk ll is apasutly powerful it would take down an ambassador
joeblackburn15 1 year ago
Too bad they didnt have any Galaxy X's at that time :P
Austindude3954 1 year ago
Tooo many changes in the thing it jumps from attacking then talking then attacking then talking!!!! AHHHH and some scenes are from other movies... XD......
julsf14 1 year ago
Okay, but seriously, Weyoun was an ASShole! I mean, when I find myself agreeing with Gul Dukat then you know you're a bastard.
StarshipMaxima 1 year ago
Do not fuck with the sisko
Sintdose 1 year ago
aww man, if all of starfleets ships were in the battle, (70,000) the dominion wouldn't stand a chance...
Nitroglycerine1000 1 year ago
starfleet has over 70.000 starship vessel but there spread out over 1000 's of light years
dwarfstar2012 1 year ago
Ummm Starship Troopers? At least use the shower scene...
kohstamojahn 1 year ago 30
What movie or show is at 2:45??
bigevil1290 1 year ago
6:01 epic eye roll.
chefkoo 1 year ago
Attacking Moscow is not smart,you would be swarmed by angry Russians,such as Worf.
Sismiques 1 year ago
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Sismiques 1 year ago
I'm sure Sisko realized how much of a dumbass he was in the Changing Face of Evil when Earth was burnt to a crisp.
Shadowblade168487 1 year ago
I'd do the Vulcan Rear Admiral so hard:) Shes a goer you can tell ha ha
hornet1blue 1 year ago
space combat 101.
GO THE FUCK AROUND THEM!!!
DarkKnightBob1o1 1 year ago
@DarkKnightBob1o1 how they have over 12,000 ships what the entire fleet is just going to go a bit to the left and hope the enemy doesn't notice and keep going straight
Cricketfan1997 1 year ago
Why is Earth always so vulnerable in Star Trek? Why doesn´t it have hundred thousands of battle satellites, ground based guns and missiles?
VitoPossilipo 1 year ago
@VitoPossilipo it probly did have ground based guns and such, but the power went out and no power no gun
bandboy11111 1 year ago
@bandboy11111 Thank you for your reply.
I find it strange that it is so easy to unarm Earth. Just like already in "Star Trek the Motion picture". And in "First Contact" it also was so vulnerable.
VitoPossilipo 1 year ago
Dude whats with the Starship troopers stuff? Again, why using material not related to startrek? This "series" of videos is about StarTrek, right? Why use first StarGate and now Starship troopers?
Well it doesnt make thie videos less good its just... disturbing. Its like finding meat in your vegetable soup. Its not meant to be.
DarkAmnael 1 year ago 40
@DarkAmnael They would have troopers any way so the could take planet controled by there enemies
RossCranston1 1 year ago
@RossCranston1
u fat slut
wtf is ur problem bich
petujaymz 1 year ago
Guys its not real life, just enjoy the show!
RazorDaveInc 1 year ago
You see how advanced a war ship they can make when its actually designed to be a warship with the defiant before that they had no warships they were still as advanced or close to most of the more advanced races they met and given their ideals they wouldn't field as big a fleet as they could look at other empires that focus on war if the feds were like that they'd have many more ships and they'd have troops as the other empires do and they have so many races they would outnumber almost everyone.
Imilko 1 year ago
fortune favours the brave innit?
cdmancdman 1 year ago
sir they out number us 2 to 1! then it is an even fight. all cruisers fire at will! burn there mongrel hides!!!!!!
po0po0nanA 1 year ago
wtf splicing other movies in stupid just stupid
IRONMAIDENFAN2006 1 year ago
ha...with the charge of the light brigade poem speech there is no way they are losing that engagement...
helmsdeep84 1 year ago
At 2:15/9:56 begins the image of Earth losing it's power across the entire planet. I assume that was footage from another Star Trek show. Which one?
cfromcass 1 year ago
now im no startrek expert but what kind of ships are those at 8:00 ? i played some of the video games and am familiar with some of the classes but it was many years ago and the games aren't always the be all and end all of cannon information
mjnoir1 1 year ago
@mjnoir1
i guess its the "Excelsior Class"
Periphalos 1 year ago
@mjnoir1 can you explain are we talking about the fighters or the frigate - please explain in more detail.. Cheers
Zorolord 1 year ago
ive seen every ds9 episode i love seson 1 5 6 7
starman47611 1 year ago
There are alot of Galaxy Class ships in that Federation Fleet, the Cardassian ships would easily get pwned by them.
NANOFORGE 1 year ago
Thats a poor edit, meshing Starship Troopers with Star Trek. Sorry Not a fan!!
harristamuffin 1 year ago
@harristamuffin I agree , that was lame .
lladnar71 1 year ago
Oh great & allknowing Link!
at 9:26 (ish) Chief O'brian has different markings on his sleves, in navies rank worn on sleives is identical on both sleves. I realise that tis is not the (Royal Navy), but can you explain? Forgive me I've wasted enough of your time! W
Simon13100 1 year ago
Its funny how Star Trek finds ways to place captains in charge of large fleets. I know. I know. Its a TV series but a weak link to have the Picards and Siskos play such command roles in fleets are involved. Still enjoy it and thanks for ur creative uploads.
yosefbenyosef 1 year ago
Trivia....Who was the courier?
cfromcass 1 year ago
@cfromcass Jake
Acannxr 1 year ago
@cfromcass
Jake
Acannxr 1 year ago
Around 3:10 They blew up Oakland hahhahaha
jaymorpheus01 1 year ago
this was the funnies DS9 Spoof ever.....I loved it.....unfortunatly it seems alot of people didnt get it....But real hard core DS9 followers loved it.
JPPolachek 1 year ago
Looks like "T-3 Rise of the Machines" and that movie starring Morgan Freeman & Elija whatever...
cfromcass 1 year ago
@cfromcass Deep Impact. ;)
Wimpoman 1 year ago
@cfromcass
Deep Impact. ;) Except it was from the Bruce Willis one, Armageddon.
Wimpoman 1 year ago
It looks like clips from "Independence Day", "Starship Troopers" & another I can't think of at the moment. The sound was edited as well.
cfromcass 1 year ago
Of course it was. edited...that was the funniest thing ive ever seen.....LOL..awesome....bravooo, bravoooo..Best DS9 Spoof ever.
JPPolachek 1 year ago
LOL, I just skipped to the battle!
hunoftel 1 year ago
Whats the poem?
DDelta 1 year ago
Charge of the light brigade by Tenneson
Hauntedman1 1 year ago
3:25 lmfao!
DarkUmabel 1 year ago
2:40 was Terminator 3! the others i ve never seen. i dont watch crap like Star Gate or something...
only Star Trek and Star Wars are the best SF-Series ever!
StinkiwinkiPoo 1 year ago
Don't forget Starship Troopers Lol!
debrick2490 1 year ago
@debrick2490 jeah...youre right- Starship Troopers too! cheap and immature story too ;o)
StinkiwinkiPoo 1 year ago
For those in the know:
7:58 'Dooooooon't forget about us toooo!
Lets meet on the planet, bring your dune buggies and beer!
lol RLM!
nosorab3 2 years ago
I recognize the schenes from Starship Troopers but the clip at 3:08 mins/9:56 showing the SF Bay Bridge and other destruction. Tell me where that came from please.
cfromcass 2 years ago
the clip at 3:08 was star fleet intelligence hq after it was attacked by the Breen. but the clips before that like where Moscow were destroyed that was from stargate.
CymruAlteran 2 years ago 6
What the hell did I just watch? A mess of clips from different shows and movies all put together to show something that didn't even happen in DS9.
The attack was focused on Starfleet HQ and the death count wasn't even that high..it was a symbolic target.
RealisticEndings 2 years ago
I bet Q is laughing his ass off while the Federation fights for it's life.
RealisticEndings 2 years ago
:-)
humbletim10 1 year ago
well done!
rmatrem 2 years ago
So Star Fleet has built over 200 years nearly 80,000 ships and all they can muster in this little fleet is 650 thats so incredible I don't believe it, and I do not believe there would be any miranda's or excelsiors left they would have all been dismantled for as mentioned Korolev and Rigel class star ships I do not believe the Federation are quite so backward espcially as the Rigel was the replacement to the aging Excelsior in term of support vessels to the Ambassador class expensive or not !
debrick2490 2 years ago 2
the Federation is 8,000 light years in size.
it's starships are spread out over vast distances, sometimes years away from Earth.
also in order to defend a 3 dimensional space you have to keep a lot of starships on all sides. starfleet couldn't pull all its ships for one mission, they still had to keep most ships on the borders.
TheGreatLink 2 years ago 5
I doubt they'll need many on all sides seeing as the romulans and klingons are their biggest neighbours, a few hundred to keep their eyes on the Tholians and Gorn maybe but I doubt even the Ferengi Alliance will even bother the Federation while in this war seeing as Dominion Space in the Gamma Quadrent is equal to Borg Territory...
debrick2490 2 years ago
at this point in the war the Romulans were neutral. and they allowed Dominion ships to pass through their space to attack the Federation. so the Federation had to keep ships on the Romulan border as well.
the Dominion sent ships around the entire Federation in order to get through weak spots in the border and invade unguarded systems.
that's how they were able to conquer Betazed and Benzar
TheGreatLink 2 years ago
The Large Fleet the Vulcan Rear Admiral mentions is all the Dominion have so they wouldn't be testing Federation lines at 8000 light years across otherwise their forces would be spread too far and too thin!
debrick2490 2 years ago
that's not all the Dominion has.
the Dominion also has ships spread all over the quadrant.
the big fleets are mainly on the Cardassian/Federation border since that's where most of the fighting is
TheGreatLink 2 years ago
Yes it is all the Dominion have by this point they have very little ship yards left as they were destroyed when the Federation took DS9 and the cloning Facility has by now been destroyed. You have gone from saying they have other borders to survey and this is but a skirmish while the minefield is still in place tosaying they have lots of starships and fighting the Federation on all fronts. There Star ships are bigger and powerfuller 3 galaxy wings equal a battleship!
debrick2490 2 years ago
@debrick2490 you think when theres 8,000 light years of three dimensional territory to guard that 80,000 ships is a lot? and theres no reason the older ships of the fleet wouldnt be there,,,its the same in modern fleets a large one is expensive to run and new ships are a massive investment...even if youre modernising you dont just canabilise every old ship you have you would need them to fill in he numbers
GamingLeeLee 1 year ago
@GamingLeeLee I didn't say 80,000 was alot I can't believe thats all they have built in 200 years! I would like to think that as a Universe that wants the Human race to always better itself they wouldn't keep anything older than the Ambassador class, The rigels and Korolevs at a push maybe but seeing Miranda's is heart breaking all apart from Captain Bateson in 'Cause and Effect' LoL...!
debrick2490 1 year ago
@debrick2490 well yeah I see what youre getting at but how many do you expect them to build? they havent exactly kept EVERY ship they've ever built in 200 years, the oldest ships are of course gone,,,they see long life service (as youve obviously noticed) because its cheaper than buildng a whole new fleet every few decades but they dont just build them and keep them forever ... again its the same with a modern fleet you need only do a lil research to see the same thing recurring again and again
GamingLeeLee 1 year ago
@GamingLeeLee We're not talking about our Universe though are we but even if some of our more realistic recurrances did apply I still don't see that they would in the Star Trek universe would still be using anything older than an Excelsior class as they are Galor/ Vor' cha Class rivals and on both sides between the Cardassian and Klingons so many would have been built and Roddenberry estimated that the Federation would have in use around 25,000! Just I hope for every 50 dismantled 50 would be re
debrick2490 1 year ago
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GamingLeeLee 1 year ago
@debrick2490 ahh now youre making a mistake that a lot of people keep making... no we're obviously not talking about our universe but they do base as much as possible off real life, anti matter for example is not fiction, and as for everything else they need to make everything beleiveable and beleive me to most people the idea of building one ship for everyone scrapped a bit daft ... just because its sci-ficiton doesnt mean they;re going to bend EVERY rule there is,,,just the ones of convinience
GamingLeeLee 1 year ago
@GamingLeeLee Its not daft to think that they will scrap one for a rebuild Stalin said himself and Dukat did Quantity is a quality of its own but as we know The Federation aren't an Empire and they do have the resources to build new for old just think of how many Intrepid class starships they would get out of recycling alot old ships like the excelsiors seeing as especially if they used Holotechnology i.e. all those spare EMH1's they had doing the mining to help with man power issues! no mistake
debrick2490 1 year ago
@debrick2490 yeah but the federation isnt communist and doesnt ahve either dukat or starlin in charge lol I just dont think they go for that kind of approach, even the design of their ships doesnt say that to me (built for multi purpose and highly advanced which must be very expensive compared to say a cardassian design which is a no holes barred warship), tho I would imagine they do recycle the old ships when they do scrap them though, i mean why not?
GamingLeeLee 1 year ago
@GamingLeeLee All Alliances have a slightly communist streak its how Politics works look at the Labour Party lol! Federation Space is bigger by three fold in comparison to any of its soverignty neighbours and to be fair as advanced as their Starships are in Star Fleet the biggest ever seen was the Galaxy so as costly as they are I don't the Federations economics being too weakoned espcially as mentioned the Intrepid being built smaller and yet more advanced so for every Galor there should be 2!
debrick2490 1 year ago
@debrick2490 ok going to avoid the politics bit,,,thats a whole different convo lol and -shrug- not nessecarily, there never has been much detail on how much the ships cost, for all we know compared to a galor the intrepid may cost 2 or 3 times the amount so there maybe 2 galor for everu 1 intrepid....man all this stuff makes you wish the cannon was a bit more organised :S about the only stuff thats 100% certain half the time is they all have guns :D
GamingLeeLee 1 year ago
@GamingLeeLee Sorry about the Politics its quite an offensive subject lol! With Economics in mind though we do know until the Dominion get involved the Cardassians are a third rate power and I'd say the Klingons equals saying that though not even the Romulan/Klingon alliance could thwart the Federation in realistic terms in an ideal universe after the Domion War and Nemesis by 2390 the three should really be part of the Federation but coming back to numbers the Federation is rich enough to build
debrick2490 1 year ago
@GamingLeeLee (continued) atleast 2 Intrepids to the Cardassian/ Klingon Galor/ Vor'cha realistically the romulan empire's territory lies in an area thats alot less in resources hence the ships artificial singularity power source! There'fore the Federation should have 2 even 3 Galaxy wings to their D'deridex class'...!
debrick2490 1 year ago
@debrick2490 then why did they only build only around 15 galaxy's in the class' entire history? yet their appear to be a lot more D'deridex class ships hanging around than their have been galaxy. Surely if things were as you put it they could have churned out as many of the galaxy as they had done say the nebula class or even akira which appear to be far more numerous which would make more sense given the classes shear power but they didnt
GamingLeeLee 1 year ago
@GamingLeeLee This is why I am starting again by saying I can't believe why The Federation are incredibly backward 15 Galaxy wings Canon or otherwise just seems like they would be easily conquerable but they won this war! In my Star Trek universe the oldest of the fleets ships are Korolevs and Rigel class' used Frigates/ destroyers say 2/300 each left in service, ambassador class' used as Galaxy/ nebula support vessals say ~700 in service to me its slightly more realistic by next gen standards
debrick2490 1 year ago
@GamingLeeLee (continued) Nebula's/ Galaxy's should be put out in there hundreds and Federation Grave Yards shouldn't really exist in terms of a forward thinking society we shouldn't see ships pre-Ambassador class! That Dyson Sphere for example should be being dismantled for resources just seems the federation wouldn't really win such a war in reality!
debrick2490 1 year ago
@debrick2490
the exelsior's are 2. only to the akira class they would be more than a match for an galaxy class in terms of firepower(only shields are less other than that equal) the exelsior is an warship like the akira the galaxy isnt!
KoutaSeto 1 year ago
@debrick2490
the exelsior MK II is far more powerfull than an ambassador class. LUCKY that the storry writers were unable to think about that the defiant got SHIELDS and every other ship not besides the exelsior got transwarp engine's (mentioned when kirk meet the NX exelsior in spacedock) all of them could easily warp to cardassia and wipe out the shipyards but NO ONE THOUGHT ABOUT IT
KoutaSeto 1 year ago
@KoutaSeto The exelsior has been upgraded to mk 4 by next gen standards and would be atleast mk 5 by the time the soveriegn appears so I would imagine the Ambassador would have been given 2 major overhaul + atleast a a few minor upgrades since the galaxy class so I very much doubt the excelsior and its aging hull could stand any such major conflicts especially up against a heavy cruiser...Look at the Soyuz and Miranda class' to be fair they aren't much older than the excelsior and they are poop!
debrick2490 1 year ago
@debrick2490 Mirandas are FAR older than the Excelsior. By the time the NX-2000 was built, most Mirandas had been in service for 40 years. They were built at the same time as the Consitution Class, and had undergone the same major refit from TOS and TMP. By the time of the war they were barely 'Destroyers" even with upgrades, were they were once the heavy cruisers of their day. An Ambassador of ANY refit would have whipped the floor with an Excelsior.
GeneralKenobiSIYE 1 year ago
@debrick2490 Starfleet only ever fielded 8,400 ships at the most just before the Dominion War. Backstage sources indicate that was the size of the fleet after the build up leading to the the War. In piece time they had around 7,000. They were loosing around 200+ ships a month during the war as well. The first six weeks were the worst, as they lost nearly 1,000 ships in that time. These are back stage numbers.
GeneralKenobiSIYE 1 year ago
@GeneralKenobiSIYE So... what're your "backstage" sources for this number? I've seen an interview with Robert Hewitt Wolfe and Ron Moore online where they've indicated that Starfleet had as many as 40,000 starships. Given that the Dominion-Cardassian-Breen alliance at it's height fielded at least 30,000 ships, the Fed-Romulan-Klingon alliance would have had to have that many, or far more to counter it, and push into Cardassian territory.
Nowhereman10 1 year ago
@Nowhereman10 You've gotta think of what types of ships made those numbers up. The vast majority were bugships. If Starfleet had 40,000 ships, the Federation wouldn't have needed an alliance with the Klingons and Romulans. They could have fought the war on their own. Between the 3 powers, the allies were still out numbered badly. The Federation was the most powerful of the 3. 40,000 ships for the Feds alone don't work in this case. They could have fielded 35,000 for battle and still...
GeneralKenobiSIYE 1 year ago
@GeneralKenobiSIYE Why wouldn't they? The Federation has other things to worry about. The Dominion was said to be impressive in it's rebuilding efforts, which is why the push to take Cardassia went forward in WYLB. We also saw the Dominion/Breen fleet surrounding Cardassia. It was so huge it was a cloud of ships completely covering it, and the Fed/Rom/Klingon/Carddie fleet was enough to bottle that in. That's tens of thousands of ships.
Nowhereman10 1 year ago
@Nowhereman10 ... and still have 5,000 to patrol their territory. The Federation isn't big enough to need 40,000 ships. If that were the real numbers, no ship would ever be more than a few hours away from the next at maximum warp. If there were really 40,000 ships as you say, they would have been able to muster larger fleets. The average fleet was around 200-300 ships each. Only twice did these numbers break 600. The retaking of DS9 and the push on Cardassia. And so far only 11 fleets..
GeneralKenobiSIYE 1 year ago
@Nowhereman10 ... thought to exist, as that is the highest number ever heard on DS9. The 7th fleet had only like 197 ships I think, and they had to pull elements from almost all of them to make up the force that retook DS9, only giving them 632 ships I believe. If there were 40,000 Federation ships, the alliance would not have been out numbered. I'd believe 9,000 Feds at the most, as the Romulans never fielded as many ships as the Feds and Klingons. They still fell desperately short in numbers.
GeneralKenobiSIYE 1 year ago
@GeneralKenobiSIYE That's a blatent lie on your part. In "Sacrifice of Angels", the combined elements of the 2nd and 5th fleets was enough for 624 ships. This leaves out whatever the 9th fleet elements would have added to that number, but did not add since they could not arrive in time. The 7th fleet was rebuilt later on and is referenced again in "Inquistion", having suffered even more losses. So, let's see here, hundreds of ships lost, yet somehow the Federation never runs out of ships.
Nowhereman10 1 year ago
@Nowhereman10 Take that back, the 7th had only 112 ships. After fighting the Breen, only 12 came back.
GeneralKenobiSIYE 1 year ago
@GeneralKenobiSIYE Yet those numbers were replenished. If the Federation only had a few thousand ships, as you imply, then not only would they have not had enough for the push into Cardassia, allies or not, but they would have lost every ship they had in 2 years of fighting the Dominion War as well as well as the 2nd Borg invasion and the year or so of skirmishing with the Klingons. Not to mention they still would need ships for picket duty on other borders, like the Tholians.
Nowhereman10 1 year ago
@Nowhereman10 Rick Berman and others have said in the past that the Federation had between 7,000-8,000 ships before the start of the war. By WYLB, the Allies had gotten efficient at destroying the Enemy. The Dominion's fleet WAS made up of more bugships than other classes. They had pulled ALL of their remaining fleet to Cardassia. 15,000-20,000 total combined ships is a lot. The Allies were still badly out numbered. Dominion ship production far exceeded Allied production.
GeneralKenobiSIYE 1 year ago
@GeneralKenobiSIYE Where did Rick Berman say this? The only statements I have seen on the size of Starfleet are from Hewitt and Ron. Also, please provide proof that the the entire Dominion (including Carddie and Breen) fleet was made up of mostly bugships. The fact is that the Dominion had at it's height at least 30,000 ships, as per statements in the episodes. The Federation and allies had heavy losses as well, to, yet were able to replace those losses over several years of fighting.
Nowhereman10 1 year ago
@Nowhereman10 You can SEE the fleet is made of more than half of the attack ships! The battle for DS9! Those bug ships were blowing up left and right! Are you blind? The attack ships always out number the heavier ships to provide support and cover. Several years of fighting? The Dominion War was just under two years long. Even at their best, Planitia Utopia was never able to keep up with losses. If the Dominion had 30,000 ships at it's height, then how was the Federation not able to fight them..
GeneralKenobiSIYE 1 year ago
@GeneralKenobiSIYE The fleets are also made up of Cardassian Galors, various large battleships, Hideki class ships and more. I say more likely it was closer to 1/4 ro 1/3rd of the fleet was JH attack ships. You forget that in addition to 2 years of fighting the Dominion War, the Federation also fought a war with the Klingons due to manipulation by the Founders, and fought off the second Borg invasion about the same time, losing at least hundreds of ships in the process. Thus several years.
Nowhereman10 1 year ago
@Nowhereman10 .. on their own? If they had 40,000 ships, you would think they could fight the Dominion alliance solo. Why then, were the allies still badly out numbered even after the Romulans joined? They were out numbered from the very beginning. If they had 40,000 ships, as you say, the Allies would have out numbered the Dominion 2 to 1. 40,000 just does NOT work. I also didn't say their fleet was MOSTLY bugships. I said they had more of that ONE class than any other. Big difference.
GeneralKenobiSIYE 1 year ago
@GeneralKenobiSIYE Are you dense, or just acting that way? Seriously, I seem to run into the same sub-moronic Warsies hiding in every commentary thread here on YouTube. Look, during the War of 1812, the British fleet out numbered the U.S. one over 10 to 1. But they were not able to divert all their ships to that fighting, only part of them since much of the fleet was tied up elsewhere dealing with the French, and other powers. The UFP put the ships it could into the battle at the time.
Nowhereman10 1 year ago
@GeneralKenobiSIYE Rick Sternback calculated that by Next Gen that the Federation had around 30,000 Star Ships!
debrick2490 11 months ago
@Nowhereman10 The Federation wasn't able to replace those losses. Sure they could rebuild a fleet's numbers, but replacing losses is not just that. They took the ships form the rest of the fleet not fighting. It's been alluded to before, that the Federation lost over half the fleet in the two years of fighting. These are all common beliefs among true Trekkies, and they were propagated by comments made by the writers and producers of the shows. If you were a true Trekkie, you'd know all this.
GeneralKenobiSIYE 1 year ago
@GeneralKenobiSIYE Please provide quotes and evidence. I doubt you can, at least not without making shit up off the top of your head. We know about the Dominion and allies having 30k ships thanks dialog from "When it Rains..." where Martok says that 1500 Klingon ships will be modified in one day with the Breen weapon-resistant warp cores, and the Romulan rep says he'll be outnumbered 20 to 1. There is no dialog or anything else to indicate half the UFP fleet was lost. You are just making it up.
Nowhereman10 1 year ago
@debrick2490 also remember they would not have kept older ships in service. The average life span of ships before the 24th century was 25 years. In the early 24th, it grew to 50 with the Ambassador (of which they only built a few) , and with the Galaxy, Nebula, and Sovereign classes' lives around 100 years. The average small to medium ships still only served about 25 years. The Constitution only served as long as it did because of the major refit that doubled it's lifetime.
GeneralKenobiSIYE 1 year ago