@s9z9s There is a line, when you eat more your side of the line goes UP and the other side goes down, I suggest you think about that. + the more money you drain off workers the more TAX you should get, it's fair, learn the real meaning of Socialism before reply!
Ridiculous argument; a child's understanding of socialism. It always easy to win an argument when you reinvent the opponent as an idiot.
That being said, why did you place liberal with socialism? You do recognise liberalism and socialism are radically opposing schools of thought, right?
@nlytend1 Do you know that Christianity is correct? The world around us reveals that G-d DOES exist, and the historical evidence reveals that Jesus Christ really did come to this earth and there is overwhelming evidence that Jesus Christ really did physically rise from the dead. Jesus is coming again and the signs of the end times that were foretold in the Bible are coming to pass.
@s9z9s no really I know socialism has a lot of defects it's just that for example not all people who are not "rich" do not won't share their money but just gain. I would say those people are not true socialists as it in a socialist society everyone has to share out their money.
Socialism is not about greed, you fucking idiots. Here in sweden there is 2 really socialist parties, Socialdemokraterna (Socialdemocrates) and Vänsterpartiet (the Left Party) theyre are going real strong and will problaby win the election 2014, since Moderaterna (Moderators/Capitalists) fucked everything up and listens what USA says. And now Fredrik Reinfeldt (Moderators Party leader) wants us to work until we are 75. thats a bad thing about capitalism. Leaving 30k people unemployed.
Didn't the Sweden Democrats do quite well last election? If anything, the evidence shows that Sweden has been thankfully, moving away from socialism over the past few decades. The Swedish welfare state was at its greatest extent in the 80's, and the Swedsh economy was suffering. Sweden started privatizing state-owned firms, lowered tariffs, partially privatized Social Security, and your economy is now benefiting for it.
@s9z9s 2006 and 2010 Moderators won the election due to lies of Fredrik Reinfeldt, and now thousands are without jobs. Rich People benefit from Moderators but worker class is suffering. And now that Fredrik Reinfeldt wants us to work til were 75. and people are pissed. Maybe rich people and banks have earned on it but not us. Our Finance director Anders Borg has fucked up the most stuff with money. Look at the ignorance of Anders Borg /watch?v=4su6Mw3W3xQ he took 25 billions from schools
I don't understand Swedish, so I'm not going to be able to follow the video. If you could be specific as to what lies you're referring to and what caused those thousands to be without jobs, we could have a conversation. As I understand it, Sweden has one of the lowest unemployment rates in Europe. And what year was it that the original retirement date was set on? People are living longer than they ever have been.
@s9z9s The socialist democrat is expaining to Anders Borg (who took 25 million from schools) how he could do such a thing, and how he must fix it. However Anders just grabs his iPad and decides not to listen to him On a debate! There´s around 10 million in populations in sweden where 539.000 people is unemployed +30k that Moderators left unemployed = 569.000 people unemployed of 10 Million. Thats big on scale. 65 is the original retirement date. and lies such as lower taxes (raised taxes)
But what specific actions led to the loss of these jobs? And he's right; it isn't up to the politicians to create prosperity. All they can do is create the ideal conditions to allow wealth to be generated. What date was the retirement age of 65 set one? The 50's, 60's, 70's?
@s9z9s I dont know when pension date was created but its a long time ago.. The loss of jobs was taking money from workers and cancelling companys for example taking jobs from people who work with industry and giving it to banks and parks, not smart of them... were the 8th strongest country in europe but we need more. we was once 3rd :( look at wikipedia
Taking money from workers? Are you saying that they cut he pay of public sector workers? Canceling what companies? And what are you basing this idea of strength on, your GDP?
@s9z9s Like I said about parks, think that a company is gonna renovate and then they start then the councils abort the renovations when companies started and spent money on the park. It was a real cheapshot I know. That happend in 2007 and the councils made some sort of deals with the government because they lost money to the people who immigrated. which is sky high. that never happend during socialist rule. Its just like that some countries work with socialism some not :/
@s9z9s lies as: we have gotten more jobs and more money for the government. (from 80 million (2001-2002 when socialdemocrats was in charge) to 30 million. Even one time he had the guts to say: The Swedes are mentally handicapped and indoctrinated to believe that politicians can create and ensure prosperity. If you think thats a good leader i dont think you know much politics. And original retirement date was 65. Thats 10 years more wait for pension
Socialism is not at all about taking, it's about everyone working hard for what they need and and what they will give back to the comunity in return, who came up with this silly yet false idea of Socialists!?
I see no good in capitalism, what has people really gained? a small bunch of wealthy people controlling there own expires and making the poor even poorer.
Socialism in Marxist theory is what happens before communism not during it + you can always just use socialism without moving on to c
The word "give" implies free will, and socialism is the opposite. You're not giving to the community; you're having the fruits of your labor stolen to be redistributed by bureaucrats (and of course, they get a nice cut of it along the way). What have people gained from the free market? All you see around you, from your computer, to your clothing, are products of business, not government. The average person is living at a far higher level now than at any time in all of civilization.
Is this a Socialist's attempt at explaining themselves? Yes. Is it a good one? Fuck no. This is like listening to my extreme leftist friend at school who's so far off into Communism he thinks Communism isn't good enough.
Now, I may be a Capitalist, but I can say this video is a terrible, discrediting example of trying to explain socialism because anyone who actually KNOWS WHAT THE FUCK IT IS such as myself realizes the video's maker is either an idiot, or he had this conversation with an idiot.
@UltraProle21 About having Dependants, I included that because yes, they do get more benefits such as WIC, but still my point is that unless you are on SS (which you have to be old or disabled) it is impossible to live or support anyone on welfare.
Typically morons who rage on welfare are actually talking about unemployment, which you can only receive based on how long you've worked. That, and it doesn't come from tax dollars, it comes from your previous employer.
Europe is not socialist. Many European nations have socialized industries, such as healthcare, but that is not what socialism is. Socialism is when the "people" (government) owns the means of production (economy). Do people that advocate socialism realize that under a socialism system, it is ILLEGAL to make a profit, ILLEGAL! Europe is just as capitalist as America.
Socialists are nothing but greedy, lazy, immoral parasites. Every Socialist I've ever met has been an economically illiterate Marxist nutjob. If you think Socialisms so great, go and live in North Korea.
@scold22 "Hey, you have a lot of money, how about sharing a small portion of it with that struggling person over there?" - a greedy, lazy and immoral parasite.
"I don't need no one to tell me I need to share (I couldn't possibly help anyone out with my piles of money)" - an economically literate person.
I fail to see how advocating that we cooperate with one another is greedy and lazy.
Economics has little to do with progress. Brilliant poor population > Ignorant rich population.
@misschloe3353 Took me a couple of times to unravel your incoherent argument, so I kinda get that you're not the brightest, so I'll attempt to explain things in the very simplest terms. Socialism advocates taxation as a means of redistributing wealth and helping the poor. But it doesn't achieve its objects as the more you tax something, the less it grows. More tax, less wealth. If you view wealth as a pie, the more you tax, the smaller the pie gets.
@scold22 Well, seeing as how you know as much about socialism (and ironically economics as a whole) as the author of this video, it's no wonder why understanding a simple comment is so 'taxing' for you.
You're not even advocating capitalism, you're advocating 'trickle-down' economics, which the Regan administration demonstrated does not work.
@misschloe3353 continued: the smaller the pie gets, the less there is to go round. Hence everyone at the bottom gets poorer. That's what I don't get about Socialists, they really don't give a damn about the poor. Most of them are middle class students who want the poor to subsidise them to go to university and stuff, then when you question their motives, they brandish 'the poor' as a stick to guilt trip you with. Hypocrites. Most of em have never done anything to 'help the poor'.
The police, the government, the road repairers, the education system, the fire brigade, and the military are all paid for by the tax payer, and controlled by the government.
If you agree with any of those institutions, then you support socialism. LOL
The only people who can truly say that they are against socialism in it's entirety are anarchists and anti-statists.
However most right-wing morons are actually extremely hawkish and pro-military.
@UltraProle21 In my opinion it IS working great, but of course not everything is working perfect, every country has problems and things to work on to make it better. But I think Sweden is working great compared to so many other countries, so yeah, see it as how you like, working great is how I see it.
@UltraProle21 Haha, well it depends how you see it. Sweden has one of the highest taxes in the world so we can get free healthcare, education etc. If you ask a swede prolly 90% would say we are socialists. Even some sites say we're the most socialistic country in the world. We have a welfare system that is a model for the rest of the world, which is... socialistic. BUT, we have a retarded governemt atm who wants to privatize everything and make Sweden into an America, no thanks!
@tokzan america has higher per capita income, and higher median income than sweden. you don't get "free" healthcare in sweden. you pay taxes that pay for healthcare. you sound like a typical socialist idiot. your welfare system is a joke.
@UltraProle21 Americans that are living in Sweden, france, UK etc says themselves that the health care system in US sucks, lol! You pay for health insurance which doesn't even cover everything, and your retarded health insurance companies always tries to find excuses for not treat a person in the US. The doctors even get a bonus for NOT treating people. Your health care system sucks. 50 MILLION people in the US doesn't have a health insurance.. Do I have to say more?
@UltraProle21 While it's true that Sweden can't compete with the super rich in America, statistics show that the lowest incomes are substantially higher in Sweden. Plus, the cost of living in Stockholm is complimentary to the avg. income. Higher income is worthless if it's still not enough to live on. Plus, that income is after taxes, so they're already putting money towards basic necessities and a safety net for those in need.
@misschloe3353 lmao "those in need"? more like "those who are lazy and feel entitled to other people's money." in response to your other post "brilliant poor population > ignorant rich population." why would a brilliant population be poor? if they were brilliant, they would figure out how to make money.
@UltraProle21 Of course, you'd fail to recognize that there are more important things in life than money.
I'm sorry that you feel that people on welfare are lazy. If you've lived your entire life and everything has gone according to your plans, that's fantastic, it doesn't exactly work out that way for everyone else.
You do realize that the only welfare a person who is able to work can get on is Food Stamps, right? (with the exception of having dependents)
@misschloe3353 what's more important in life than money? without money, you die. you must be a female that's had daddy pay for everything her whole life, so you don't even understand what money is. you think the food you get comes from daddy and don't understand that daddy had to first earn money, then use that money to buy the food. also "with the exception of having dependents" is a HUGE exception. good lord. it is so f'n easy to work the system if you pop out a few kids.
@UltraProle21 Ignoring the fact that you can't seem to argue without acting like a child, if you simply take a look at some of the greatest accomplishments in human history, they were achieved without a monetary incentive.
I don't recall seeing 'lack of funds' as a cause of death, though I get your point. However, this system doesn't exactly provide balanced rewards, in fact, typically large sums of money are given despite doing little to actually progress humanity.
@misschloe3353 goodness. more socialist talking points. people don't do good things for a monetary reward, blah blah blah. yet somehow you can't manage to come up with any sort of alternative to markets as a primary means of allocating goods and services. it's not perfect, but there's nothing better. do you think the computer that you're using would have been designed without a profit motive? not a chance.
@UltraProle21 As much as I would like to continually listen to you shove your foot in your mouth, realize it, then try to dodge it by jamming it right back up there again, I've got more important things to do.
Please try going outside once and a while and actually learn something about the world you live in, meet some new people that aren't as backwards as yourself.
@misschloe3353 lol did your gender studies professor tell you to say that? typical sheltered, liberal white girl professing to know about the "real world." also, if you think your parents couldn't give a shit about you, then you are even more spoiled than i thought. seriously, take a look at your brainwashed, melodramatic attitude. you're just trying to fit in with people who have actually had a hard life. "my parents couldn't give a shit about me." yeah, right.
@UltraProle21 Actually, I'm a Native American, and I'm not a liberal, but seeing as how you're the typical douchebag that starts with a conclusion and ignores any evidence that doesn't support it, I'm not surprised to see you simply assume details about me as if it were to actually tell you anything about who I am. I guess I'm also not surprised that you would think that indicating that someone has had some kind of higher education constitutes an insult.
@UltraProle21 Since you brought it up, my parents are fundamentalist Christians, and their combined love of Capitalism and Jesus is so Ironic that it boggles the mind. They couldn't give a shit about me, and I've been independent for most of my life.
@ModernMorals Unfortunately these are real thoughts from idiot Americans. It's retarded, but real. You should recognize this aspect as it will undoubtedly affect your life. Get ready for a serious downfall if you live in the US. I am...
Socialism, communism, capitalism, fascism, it's all out-dated systems which were always close to each other in the way they were working. They all include money, labor, scarcity. And all these 3 makes it impossible to live for the majority of people because they have to fight with each other in order to survive. Resource-based economic system with direct democracy is that what we need according to today's knowledge, technology and train of thought. Check thezeitgeistmovement . com
@AlexeyJones jesus christ, you think a direct democracy is going to be able to manage an entire economy? so i have to get a majority vote to start a lemonade stand?
@dudeonthasopha Norway has 5million people and the US has 310million people so I don't think it's a fair comparison. I agree that Norway has good points but they also have a 45% tax rate to pay for the 22% of people on welfare and 13% on disability. 30% of the labor force works for the government. So, that leaves a very small percentage of real workers who have to lump it into work and pay for everyone else. I'm not sure how that is equal or fundamentally right as you state.
Socialism doesn't work. Ask Russia.....And yes my family came to America almost 100 years ago because Communism sucks!!!! If you want to be told what to do and how to live your life go to China or North Korea. They'll tell ya how to live and there ain't no Disney World or MTV in those countries my friends!!
@Dean100able shut up. socialism does not turn a country into the soviet block. dumb fucking russians like lenin take and manipulate marxist theory with their little "totalitarian transition stage" that happens to never end haha. And then stupid chinese people take lenin's theory of a marxist state and make it even worse haha. Socialism does work, ask Norway there is basically NO poverty. social-liberalism (modern day) promotes equal wealth, health as well as fundamental rights.
Have you been to Norway; Socialism seems to work well there. It also has the highest standard of living in the world. They have flourished with responsible government, and strong social programs, nobody has to suffer. The rich remain rich they just have 1 Ferrari instead of 2; how much do you really need in the pursuit of happiness.
The world we live in, is divisive. It always was....Black/White....rich/poor....class 1/class2...etc...who set that standard?....When you go to work...who do you work for?...When you go Ancestry and you see an old relative shot and killed on Flanders field...do you go " oh well..'nother one bites the dust?..The only fuckers who do this are the rich...they make a stack of cash out of your families misery
@superfrankpt Well hell, what do you expect with a 2nd grade education? Go start your own business and give all of the profits to your employees, see if it worth staying in business.
Perhaps the creator of this vid should look up socialism, consider whether or not this country is really a democracy, and look at the past twenty years to see the proof that supply side and trickle down economics dont work.
@MrSeventhchild What does that have to do with this ? Just because poor people dont do the hiring that is not proof that trickle down economics work. Trickle down has been strongly in effect the last ten years, if it worked then why would unemployment be going up ?
Democrats, Liberals, and Socialists are just like little children.....they feel the need to ALWAYS be told what to do and how to do it ! Read up on your Russian and English History......
you should know what socialism is before you make videos. not even 30 seconds in and i can tell you have no background in political theory. Im sure other polisci majors like me are pretty pissed when uneducated people spout off politics we have studied for years while you regurgitate your ill informed bs.
@dudeonthasopha You FAILED to explain WHY it's wrong. You just say it's stupid and then claim you have a degree in an attempt to validate your own opinion You have to do better than that. Make a proper argument or keep your opinions to yourself.
Here, I'll start. This is clearly a satire on arguments that lefties make, not an intellectual critique of socialism. For example, the women just spouts talking points rather than discussing the means of production or the tyranny of the proletariat.
@coolbreezed its hard to see if its satire with monotoned voices. no inflection makes me think its just the same old American right talking about socialism because it sounds like it. and a lot of comments are people agreeing. a proper argument? on youtube? fuck that noise. there is so much wrong with this video and so limited of space on youtube to type i'd rather they found out for themselves instead of taking this seriously.
@dudeonthasopha You don't need to hear inflection, the substance is what indicates satire. The purpose of these animated shorts is to expose the utter lunacy of many popular progressive views. You could do the same w/ conservative or libertarian views as well.
You have yet to point out what exactly is wrong here. All you've done is call it stupid and try to validate your point by claiming you have an undergrad degree. You're critique is baseless and your opinion worthless. Try harder.
@coolbreezed Using talking points taken from the right to further the right's opinion doesn't properly express the views of what socialism is and what socialists think. in no way does this accurately express what people on the left/centre-left ACTUALLY think. why would you try to validate this. it is no more than a right winger spouting a bunch of shit that THEY personally believe about socialism.no where did i claim to have my degree i said i've been studying it. this person hasn't
@MrSeventhchild lol @ people like you who don't understand the word theory in the academic sense. and i know its hard for most americans to do but if you look outside western europe and go a little bit north there are 4 socialist democratic countries that have the highest standards of living in the world. western Europe fell for other reasons, not enough room to explain, and eastern Europe fell because it was an adapted version of marxism that lenin created. not social-liberalism
@dudeonthasopha Oh it's right on the money. This is exactly what the leftist progressives think. I know, in YOUR head you think that Socialism just hasn't been tried the right way. Doesn't matter, it never has and never will work.
These videos you made Battlefield are hillarious because they're so true. You are right on the money. And some of these socialist wankers are right on YouTube trying to diss your vids. I hate dumb socialist wankers. What the H is wrong with these people? They WANT the government to control their lives? Freakin morons.
@mlsIoThtD o ya i forgot socialism automatically turns you into the soviet block and takes away your rights... WHAT!? Where the fuck do you people go to school to get this shit.
@dudeonthasopha We don't have to take no college courses on poltical theory to see what socialism has wreaked on Europe. COMPLETE ECONOMIC DESTRUCTION along with the slow bleeding away of indivudual rights and freedoms. Taking from those who have earned and giving to those who have not earned is unsustainbale. But you want us to remain blind to the truth so that you can impliment your WACK idea of social justice. We can see with our own eyes you stupid.. STUPID idiot.
you talk like a person who can't value the benefits of socialisam and is too preocupied with anti-comunistic propaganda who's terror you have never experienced
cmonunisam may not work but socializam is a part of every country in the world but you dont recognise it because you were born with those privileges
@davidlones365 Yes but the civil war did not start until the south attack Fort Sumner in South Carolina. You also have to remember that Lincoln only threatened to have slaves freed because the Confederacy refused to surrender. It was more than just slavery.
U.N. peacekeepers in Rwanda stood by as Hutu slaughtered some 800,000 Tutsi. In Bosnia, the U.N. declared safe areas for Muslims but did nothing to secure them, letting the Serbs slaughter thousands in Srebrenica.
We are already socialized to an extent. So many people are so horribly against the coming universal healthcare. Limbaugh, Beck, and others all want to scare us away from it. "Good goly! People are dying because of it in other countries" they say. They forget people in the US are dying because they don't have the money to get a medical procedure and no insurance. I have a friend from Morocco who says it works great over there. Doctors just treat you. No insurance BS.
I live in Norway and I can assure you the healthcare here is absolute shit. People are dying while they are waiting months for cancer treatment. This is what always happens when the goverment is in charge of production. You get less supply than demand. The US spends as much government money on healthcare as Norway does and this is why they also have shit healthcare. To get good health care we need to remove all regulations and get government completely out of it.
One would think that an organization that flags on half mast for evil dicators, believes that executing people for being gay is not a violation of human rights, and treats barbarian countries and civilized countries as equals would be a trustworthy source of information...
But seriously, even the UN's Human Development Index is clearly correlated with economic freedom. The closer we get to capitalism the better off the people are, especially the poor.
@atafto Lol I was just joking I hate the UN. Putting their flag at half mast only fuels the narcissism of North Korea. I don't think the UN has ever stopped a war, only approved of them and given legitimacy to war. I don't want a LEGAL WAR morons!!!
UN Human Development Index doesn't rank Hong Kong or Singapore as well as they do the Nordic countries and people have way more economic freedom in HK.
The UN is just a socialist organization with no teeth!
Legality only comes from from having legitimate authority and the ability to punish, the UN has no authority over sovereign nations, and no ability to punish.
Thus the UN is just a group of wannabee do-gooders that can only accomplish things when countries voluntarily hand over sovereignty.
@ExplodingButton Morocco is a dump, the only reason ur friend thinks that is because they have never experienced healthcare in another country. Never experienced American quality of healthcare.
Typical anti-socialism banter. There are people out there like that woman who want to talk about socialism without really understanding it, and are therefore defeated by standard capitalist comebacks. The whole "if your a socialist, then why don't you give all your money to others?" is really weak. I'll tell you why I don't, because I would be living on the streets. You know, what with everyone else not doing the same and all. Everyone needs to be on board or it doesn't work. Up next, trolls!
Agreed the US is now Corny Capitalism, I just agree with Ayn Rand and that soon the government will turn on the corporations and between protection the ecology, federal health care and their reinterpreting the commerce provision the US Federal government can and probably will regulate everything. I just hope the US will ether go back to it's roots and drastically shrink the Federal government or you are right and the US will become more like the Nordic nations.
I've heard of this. This is a form of corporatism. How are the profits and shares of the business shared? Does someone that has been there a week have as much authority as someone that's worked in the company for 30 years? I know if I was part of GM, AT&T, Visteon, Ford... I would like my voice to be heard but I know I'm not qualified to make the finial decision. Capitalism with not survive under totalitarianism and a constitutionally limited Republic (cont)
Socialism takes over your responsibilities so they and take away your rights. Socialism moves power to 1 place where Capitalism divides power among everyone. You two Misterb0z and Nothiean are the fools giving away your rights for a loaf of bread. Why you can't understand this I don't know. Socialism keeps charging you more in taxes and giving it to the banks in interest and the new thing, bail outs. How can you think Socialism isn't trying to take over everything?
@wwhit2001 How is the workers owning the means of production and all members of a corporation having an equil voice in dissition making taking away rights? Socialism, like Capitalism, is an economic system, not a political system, and like Capitalism it can work under democracy, monarchy, totalitarianism, ect. Socialism takes away rights as much as Capitalism does.
@dave19941000 based on rule of law and limited government powers will not survive with Socialism/social justice/the distribution of goods and services by force.
@wwhit2001 The originaly invisioned form of Socialism, Social-Democracy, or Democratic Socialism, has worked in the Nordic nations and Germany with greater sucsess then the capitalistic and communist systems which are or where found to their east, south and west. As long as it is democratic, not authoritarian, socialism is the better system. Just as Capitalism is better when it is democratic instead of authoritarian. In the end neither system is perfect, but social-democracy is better
@wwhit2001 Corporatist Capitalism is what I would call it, free market capitalism with the big corporations calling the shots. Some call it Corny Capitalism.
@atafto Capitalism is the economic version of dictatorship (the boss sais what happens and thats it), Socialism is the economic version of democracy (everyone wons the means of production and has an equil voice).
@dave19941000 Wrong. In a Free Market the people can influence the means of production as well. Take for example the recent event with Verizon Wireless, they were going to charge a $2 fee to pay your bills online was because it would anger their customers, and they would boycott and tale their business elsewhere. Free Markets will always structure an economy better than any socialist(s) ever can.
@CyberTechWolf You mean like in Chile, where it turned a 1st world economy into a 2nd world one with 40% unemployment? Or in Argentina where it did almost the same? Or in the USSR (Russia) where it went from everyone having a job and a home to today where the top 5% own everything and the bottom 45% live in poverty? Or in South Africa where it turned a 1st world nation into a 3ed world one in only 5 of years? Or in Iraq where it has brought civil war? This is good, this is better?
@dave19941000 I mean, yeah cause God knows Russia was much better off under Stalin. Iraq, I would think Civil War had more to do than the economy. As for South Africa, places like that had economic dispair because of aparthied. When a black leader came into power the white owner businesses closed shop and left the country fearing backlash. Free Trade had nothing to do with it.
@CyberTechWolf Under Gorbachov the USSR was better then it is today, and if it had not been for Yeltson it would have been a 1st world country by now, not 3 1st world countries, 2nd world ones and 13 3ed world ones. As for South Africa, why is poverty for blacks up and poverty for whites down since apparthied ended? And did you know that 98% of the companies traded at the Johannesburg Stock Exchange are still owned by Whites, or that Afrikaners still own 70% of the the farmland?
@dave19941000 Hm, I must have been thinking of Zimbabwe. Anyways as for Russia let's not forget during those years they were also invading other countries, or their sateillite states.
@CyberTechWolf Zimbabwe was authoratarian communist, just as the USSR under Stalin, under Gorbachov though it was not invading countries (it had let the Soviet Bloc go free, where as under Stalin they crushed rebelion, and they left Afganistan), and the policies in place where moving the USSR towards the Social-Democratic system of the Scandinavian nations. Capitalism fails, Communism fails, but Social-Democracy uses the better parts of both in a manner that is superior to both.
@dave19941000 But let me ask you this, if Socialism is so great, then why are no American getting on a boat and sailing to Cuba, or moving to North Korea. Why did no Americans move to the Soviet Union, why did no one in West Berlin attempt to get into East Berlin (Other than trying to reunite with family.) A big reason the Wall was built was because the Soviets didn't like people in East Berline escaping. How about the Velvet Revolution, or the protests in Tiananmen Square, and in Romania?
@CyberTechWolf The reason is this, North Korea and Cuba are authoritarian Communist, and until Gorbachov came to power so was the USSR, but in Germany, West Germany was a Social-Democracy, in other words Socialist, and East Germany was Authoritarian Communist. Remember that Communism is not socialism, and that capitalism without socialism does not work. The Marshal plan rebuilt Western Europe, and yet it was a socialist program, not a capitalist one.
@CyberTechWolf (Part 2) Also you must remember, the people at Tiananmen Square where protesting for Democracy AND Socialism, ang against the removal of laws such as minimun wage (which turned China into the worlds sweatshop)
@dave19941000 Let me ask you a different type of question, let's say I decide to set aside $50,000 to start my own business. Would you a Socialist leader allow me to freely run my business (and no I'm not looking to defraud my customers or my employees). Also as for claiming Capitalism doesn't work, then why is it that the United States has produced more modern inventions than Socialist countries like Norway and Sweeden?
@CyberTechWolf In a Social-Democratic nation your small business would be more likely to sucseed then in a more capitalist one such as the US, because of laws that make the market fair as opposed to free (free market and fair market rarely mix). As for the invantions, the US has over 300 million people living in it, Sweden (most populated Scandinavian nation) has under 10 million. On a per Capita basis the number is about the same (infact Socialist Germany has the most).
@dave19941000 Fair does not work. I mean your ideas of fairness are yours. I would rather have freedom. Because after all, what if my opinon of fair differs from that of yours? What are you going to just tell everyone that you know better than them? I want freedom, not your or some one else's idea of fairness.
@CyberTechWolf I could ask you what is a free economy, as it to is undefinable. Should Slavery be defined as part of a free market? What I want is an economy where small business has a chance to become something and not get crushed by corporations, where China does not get our jobs because their workers live in 3ed world conditions and their government devalues their currency making competition impossible without reverting into a 3ed world state.
@dave19941000 Slavery is banned under the 13th Amendment of the Constitution. But you have to think why it is that business go overseas in the first place. More profit right? Well if taxes on my factory in the US are 30% where as in CHina they are 10% why would pass it up? I agree that businesses should be here but people go away because you incentivise them to.
@CyberTechWolf Corporations do not pay 30% in taxes, many do not pay taxes at all, they move to China because a 3ed world labour force living in shacks and making 2$ an hour if their luck can make pruducts for less then americans. The only way to compete with China is for the majority of americans to live a 3ed world life and work 12 hours a day in dangerous conditions. And not only that, but does that not mean the 13th amendment goes against the free market?
@dave19941000 First of all can you prove companies in China right now pay no taxes? Also why do you keep saying 3ed? You know its 3rd right? Like I said, you want to keep companies here in the US, give them a good incentive. Either lower taxes or tax credits or something. You can't just expect or force a company to stay here.
@CyberTechWolf I did not say corporations in China pay no taxes, its in the US where they pay no taxes. Last year most of the Fortune 500 did not pay taxes to the federal government, the reason I brought it up was because the tax argument is bull, and have you seen how Chinese labourers live? Most live in small 1-2 room apartments with 2 to 7 people living in each room. And you can not force companies to stay, but you can have tariffs and Cap in Trade which make it more profitable
@dave19941000 I have seen the documenteries, for companies like Wal-Mart. I agree that they are bad things. But to be honest that's something that's bewteeen the Chinese government and Wal-Mart. Can I see some statistics proving that those comapnies payed no taxes? Your statement is bull really, Goldman Sach's pays 30 cents of every dollar made in taxes, you see for yourself on their website. Cap and Trade is a horrible peice of legislation.
@CyberTechWolf The stats come fron the US government. And have you read what Cap and Trade is? It will make the economy greener (which is needed because of deplition of resaurses) and it will make it more profitable for companies to make products here. What is the probelm with protectionism? Its not like free trade built the economy, it was protectionism that did, because if in the late 1800s during the industrial revolution there was free trade the UK would have owned the US.
@dave19941000 Because Protectionism is part of what caused this mess. I hope you realize protectionism means bailing out businesses and banks. Also "The US government" is not enough. I want to know specifically where these stats are, cause I can tell you you can find what I'm talking about on Goldman Sach's website. Greener? Please, the idea of basing trade around emissions will hurt our economy, to have people who don't work in the industry set standards is very aristocratic.......
@dave19941000 ....Free Trade did increase our standard of living. It wasn't Cap and Trade style regulation that brought about the industrial revolution or made the US one of the world leaders in innovative and modern inventions. Let me give you an example on the importance of Free Trade, during the Civil War, the Battle of Vicksburg, the Union gained control of the Mississippi River which crushed the Souths economy. Betetr yet, just watch this: /watch?v=mDp65Juibes
@CyberTechWolf Free trade only works when it is with those why can compete fairly, like the US and Canada or EU and US, but when it is with countries that have arfiticialy low production prices brought about by direct government intervention like in China, or by flooding a country with an infant economy, such as most of Sub-Sahara Africa, it is, in the first case, only good for the government interveaning, and in the second it is only good for the 1st world one.
@dave19941000 Maybe but in places like Zimbabwe where there was hyperinflation that was a result of government action. Did you watch the video by the way? And I agree to a certain extent in your "fair play" idea. That's why we have the Clayton Anti-Trust Act. Nevertheless those kinds of laws are in place.
That's a lie! The boss in a free economy is not a dictator. All he can do is offer you a job and you choose if you accept or not. The employers have to compete with each other to give you the best conditions.
In socialism you are offered no choice. What the chosen elite says goes, and if you oppose they will use violence. If I am not allowed to sell my labor to whoever I choose, then I do not own my means of production.
@atafto (Part 1) When it comes to the disition making of a corporation, the CEO and tha shairholders make every and all choices, in socialism only those who work for a corporation own its stock and all have the same amount of stock, giving them all the same voice in dissition making.
If you are emplying that socialism is violent because of the Soviet Unions style of work, then you know nothing of the Socialism or what it reprisents.
If I wanted to own part of the company I work for I would buy stocks. But maybe I would rather invest in something else. Do you respect that I am different from you? Would you let me sell my shares to whoever I decide, or do you want to force me to do just as you say?
Socialism is violent! It is all about doing as the majority or the elite dicates or you will be thrown in jail. Locking people up is violent!
Nope. In a free economy you own your body and your labor no matter what the majority or the elite says. You can sell it to whoever wants to buy. In your capitalis society I would be trown in jail if I chose not to share my labor with other people.
@atafto Really??? ...so, "we own our own body"??? If conservatives really believe this about our society, why do you guys always insist on limiting what people can put in and take out of their own body, and what two consenting adults decide to do with each others bodies?????
Also, history has shown the majority limit the freedoms of other races, women, and gays, time and time again.
Where have I said that I am conservative?!?!? You are being prejudiced now. Unlike you I belive that adults should own their bodies 100%. I fully support legalizing drugs and everything two or more consenting adults agree upon, wheter it is sex, boxing or employment.
Yes, the majority has often been guilty of autrocities. I don't support majority rule, but individual rights. This means that you have the right to be free from theft, violence etc. no matter what the majority says.
@atafto ...well, then I'm confused as to what your point is. The definition of a democracy is, in fact, a majority rule. Combining "capitalism" with a "democracy" inevitably produces what you have called "corporotism". As, in a capitalist society such as ours, money equates power, and in a democracy such as ours, power can equal votes.
@s9z9s There is a line, when you eat more your side of the line goes UP and the other side goes down, I suggest you think about that. + the more money you drain off workers the more TAX you should get, it's fair, learn the real meaning of Socialism before reply!
iznotcrazy 1 day ago
Socialism= Communism
Communism = Failure
Me = Awesomeness
xxNephlimxx 1 day ago
Ridiculous argument; a child's understanding of socialism. It always easy to win an argument when you reinvent the opponent as an idiot.
That being said, why did you place liberal with socialism? You do recognise liberalism and socialism are radically opposing schools of thought, right?
MrSirBrendan 2 days ago
This uses very biased wording and really is just trashing a political idea, it is hard for me to respect this.
Murshyy 4 days ago
I use xtranormal also, how do you make the camera change? This is awesome! nice work
parkd123 5 days ago
The republican party needs to take socialism seriously they are going to lose.
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FLAKMEISTER777 1 week ago
"Fighting for change" today is like trying to fix something that isn't broken
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marionetemanJ 1 week ago
So biased...I thought I would learn something from it! Rubbish
xxsarusiacutiexx 1 week ago
@xxsarusiacutiexx
Or is it that you didn't like it because it didn't portray socialism in a positive light?
s9z9s 1 week ago
@s9z9s no really I know socialism has a lot of defects it's just that for example not all people who are not "rich" do not won't share their money but just gain. I would say those people are not true socialists as it in a socialist society everyone has to share out their money.
xxsarusiacutiexx 1 week ago
@xxsarusiacutiexx you forgot to claim there were strawmen, that's always a good one...
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@getrichardmason yup should have thought of that :)
xxsarusiacutiexx 1 week ago
what idiot made this?
ANIOLATORV 1 week ago
Classic straw man arguments.
Hogan1950 1 week ago
@Hogan1950
Like what?
s9z9s 1 week ago
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That awkward moment when you expect to watch a video about socialism but then it's about communism ...
MogorDellAmore 2 weeks ago
wow that is stupid
gumme1234 2 weeks ago
Socialism is not about greed, you fucking idiots. Here in sweden there is 2 really socialist parties, Socialdemokraterna (Socialdemocrates) and Vänsterpartiet (the Left Party) theyre are going real strong and will problaby win the election 2014, since Moderaterna (Moderators/Capitalists) fucked everything up and listens what USA says. And now Fredrik Reinfeldt (Moderators Party leader) wants us to work until we are 75. thats a bad thing about capitalism. Leaving 30k people unemployed.
MrDemoify 2 weeks ago
@MrDemoify
Didn't the Sweden Democrats do quite well last election? If anything, the evidence shows that Sweden has been thankfully, moving away from socialism over the past few decades. The Swedish welfare state was at its greatest extent in the 80's, and the Swedsh economy was suffering. Sweden started privatizing state-owned firms, lowered tariffs, partially privatized Social Security, and your economy is now benefiting for it.
s9z9s 2 weeks ago
@s9z9s 2006 and 2010 Moderators won the election due to lies of Fredrik Reinfeldt, and now thousands are without jobs. Rich People benefit from Moderators but worker class is suffering. And now that Fredrik Reinfeldt wants us to work til were 75. and people are pissed. Maybe rich people and banks have earned on it but not us. Our Finance director Anders Borg has fucked up the most stuff with money. Look at the ignorance of Anders Borg /watch?v=4su6Mw3W3xQ he took 25 billions from schools
MrDemoify 2 weeks ago
@MrDemoify
I don't understand Swedish, so I'm not going to be able to follow the video. If you could be specific as to what lies you're referring to and what caused those thousands to be without jobs, we could have a conversation. As I understand it, Sweden has one of the lowest unemployment rates in Europe. And what year was it that the original retirement date was set on? People are living longer than they ever have been.
s9z9s 2 weeks ago
@s9z9s The socialist democrat is expaining to Anders Borg (who took 25 million from schools) how he could do such a thing, and how he must fix it. However Anders just grabs his iPad and decides not to listen to him On a debate! There´s around 10 million in populations in sweden where 539.000 people is unemployed +30k that Moderators left unemployed = 569.000 people unemployed of 10 Million. Thats big on scale. 65 is the original retirement date. and lies such as lower taxes (raised taxes)
MrDemoify 2 weeks ago
@MrDemoify
But what specific actions led to the loss of these jobs? And he's right; it isn't up to the politicians to create prosperity. All they can do is create the ideal conditions to allow wealth to be generated. What date was the retirement age of 65 set one? The 50's, 60's, 70's?
s9z9s 1 week ago
@s9z9s I dont know when pension date was created but its a long time ago.. The loss of jobs was taking money from workers and cancelling companys for example taking jobs from people who work with industry and giving it to banks and parks, not smart of them... were the 8th strongest country in europe but we need more. we was once 3rd :( look at wikipedia
MrDemoify 1 week ago
@MrDemoify
Taking money from workers? Are you saying that they cut he pay of public sector workers? Canceling what companies? And what are you basing this idea of strength on, your GDP?
s9z9s 1 week ago
@s9z9s from Construction work companies, these was bankrupt today: Stepanovski & Graff Mk Import Handelsbolag
Sophisticated Arms Of Susan AB
Grönbergs Tak & Bygg i Umeå AB
Värmeteknik Jan Olsson AB
Kontor Avenue Kommanditbolag
King Of Sweets & Nuts AB
Cool Solution AB
Duell Medic AB
I dont know of a GDP. But I Think Conservatives are greedy (I think) and dont care about other people
MrDemoify 1 week ago
@MrDemoify
But how did the government bankrupt these companies?
s9z9s 1 week ago
@s9z9s Like I said about parks, think that a company is gonna renovate and then they start then the councils abort the renovations when companies started and spent money on the park. It was a real cheapshot I know. That happend in 2007 and the councils made some sort of deals with the government because they lost money to the people who immigrated. which is sky high. that never happend during socialist rule. Its just like that some countries work with socialism some not :/
MrDemoify 1 week ago
@s9z9s lies as: we have gotten more jobs and more money for the government. (from 80 million (2001-2002 when socialdemocrats was in charge) to 30 million. Even one time he had the guts to say: The Swedes are mentally handicapped and indoctrinated to believe that politicians can create and ensure prosperity. If you think thats a good leader i dont think you know much politics. And original retirement date was 65. Thats 10 years more wait for pension
MrDemoify 2 weeks ago
Socialism is not at all about taking, it's about everyone working hard for what they need and and what they will give back to the comunity in return, who came up with this silly yet false idea of Socialists!?
I see no good in capitalism, what has people really gained? a small bunch of wealthy people controlling there own expires and making the poor even poorer.
Socialism in Marxist theory is what happens before communism not during it + you can always just use socialism without moving on to c
iznotcrazy 2 weeks ago
@iznotcrazy
The word "give" implies free will, and socialism is the opposite. You're not giving to the community; you're having the fruits of your labor stolen to be redistributed by bureaucrats (and of course, they get a nice cut of it along the way). What have people gained from the free market? All you see around you, from your computer, to your clothing, are products of business, not government. The average person is living at a far higher level now than at any time in all of civilization.
s9z9s 2 weeks ago
the president didn't kill bin laden, a special forces team did.
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Can they be a Socialist, Capitalist etc video where the video maker is not biased.
FireVidsTV 3 weeks ago
Is this a Socialist's attempt at explaining themselves? Yes. Is it a good one? Fuck no. This is like listening to my extreme leftist friend at school who's so far off into Communism he thinks Communism isn't good enough.
Now, I may be a Capitalist, but I can say this video is a terrible, discrediting example of trying to explain socialism because anyone who actually KNOWS WHAT THE FUCK IT IS such as myself realizes the video's maker is either an idiot, or he had this conversation with an idiot.
17589 1 month ago
@UltraProle21 About having Dependants, I included that because yes, they do get more benefits such as WIC, but still my point is that unless you are on SS (which you have to be old or disabled) it is impossible to live or support anyone on welfare.
Typically morons who rage on welfare are actually talking about unemployment, which you can only receive based on how long you've worked. That, and it doesn't come from tax dollars, it comes from your previous employer.
misschloe3353 1 month ago
Europe is not socialist. Many European nations have socialized industries, such as healthcare, but that is not what socialism is. Socialism is when the "people" (government) owns the means of production (economy). Do people that advocate socialism realize that under a socialism system, it is ILLEGAL to make a profit, ILLEGAL! Europe is just as capitalist as America.
boshembechle 1 month ago
Person A: I bet you will be a wonderful strawman for me today.
Person B: I sure will! I'm a computer projection of a right-winger's version of a Socialist!
Person A: Perfect :D.
kristinwhite84 1 month ago
Socialists are nothing but greedy, lazy, immoral parasites. Every Socialist I've ever met has been an economically illiterate Marxist nutjob. If you think Socialisms so great, go and live in North Korea.
scold22 1 month ago
@scold22 "Hey, you have a lot of money, how about sharing a small portion of it with that struggling person over there?" - a greedy, lazy and immoral parasite.
"I don't need no one to tell me I need to share (I couldn't possibly help anyone out with my piles of money)" - an economically literate person.
I fail to see how advocating that we cooperate with one another is greedy and lazy.
Economics has little to do with progress. Brilliant poor population > Ignorant rich population.
misschloe3353 1 month ago
@misschloe3353 Took me a couple of times to unravel your incoherent argument, so I kinda get that you're not the brightest, so I'll attempt to explain things in the very simplest terms. Socialism advocates taxation as a means of redistributing wealth and helping the poor. But it doesn't achieve its objects as the more you tax something, the less it grows. More tax, less wealth. If you view wealth as a pie, the more you tax, the smaller the pie gets.
scold22 1 month ago
@scold22 Well, seeing as how you know as much about socialism (and ironically economics as a whole) as the author of this video, it's no wonder why understanding a simple comment is so 'taxing' for you.
You're not even advocating capitalism, you're advocating 'trickle-down' economics, which the Regan administration demonstrated does not work.
misschloe3353 1 month ago
@misschloe3353 continued: the smaller the pie gets, the less there is to go round. Hence everyone at the bottom gets poorer. That's what I don't get about Socialists, they really don't give a damn about the poor. Most of them are middle class students who want the poor to subsidise them to go to university and stuff, then when you question their motives, they brandish 'the poor' as a stick to guilt trip you with. Hypocrites. Most of em have never done anything to 'help the poor'.
scold22 1 month ago
This video needs to be re-titled "101 Examples of Straw men arguments"
misschloe3353 1 month ago
@misschloe3353
pseudo-intellectual
SakeTheCool 1 month ago
This video is content empty.
The police, the government, the road repairers, the education system, the fire brigade, and the military are all paid for by the tax payer, and controlled by the government.
If you agree with any of those institutions, then you support socialism. LOL
The only people who can truly say that they are against socialism in it's entirety are anarchists and anti-statists.
However most right-wing morons are actually extremely hawkish and pro-military.
Hypocrisy!
ec123456789able 1 month ago
Sweden is a socialist country and is working great
tokzan 1 month ago
@tokzan lol statements like "working great" are really simplistic and expose you as a hack.
UltraProle21 1 month ago
@UltraProle21 In my opinion it IS working great, but of course not everything is working perfect, every country has problems and things to work on to make it better. But I think Sweden is working great compared to so many other countries, so yeah, see it as how you like, working great is how I see it.
tokzan 1 month ago
@tokzan sweden isn't socialist to begin with.
UltraProle21 1 month ago
@UltraProle21 Haha, well it depends how you see it. Sweden has one of the highest taxes in the world so we can get free healthcare, education etc. If you ask a swede prolly 90% would say we are socialists. Even some sites say we're the most socialistic country in the world. We have a welfare system that is a model for the rest of the world, which is... socialistic. BUT, we have a retarded governemt atm who wants to privatize everything and make Sweden into an America, no thanks!
tokzan 1 month ago
@tokzan america has higher per capita income, and higher median income than sweden. you don't get "free" healthcare in sweden. you pay taxes that pay for healthcare. you sound like a typical socialist idiot. your welfare system is a joke.
UltraProle21 1 month ago
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@UltraProle21 Americans that are living in Sweden, france, UK etc says themselves that the health care system in US sucks, lol! You pay for health insurance which doesn't even cover everything, and your retarded health insurance companies always tries to find excuses for not treat a person in the US. The doctors even get a bonus for NOT treating people. Your health care system sucks. 50 MILLION people in the US doesn't have a health insurance.. Do I have to say more?
tokzan 1 month ago
@UltraProle21 While it's true that Sweden can't compete with the super rich in America, statistics show that the lowest incomes are substantially higher in Sweden. Plus, the cost of living in Stockholm is complimentary to the avg. income. Higher income is worthless if it's still not enough to live on. Plus, that income is after taxes, so they're already putting money towards basic necessities and a safety net for those in need.
misschloe3353 1 month ago
@misschloe3353 lmao "those in need"? more like "those who are lazy and feel entitled to other people's money." in response to your other post "brilliant poor population > ignorant rich population." why would a brilliant population be poor? if they were brilliant, they would figure out how to make money.
UltraProle21 1 month ago
@UltraProle21 Of course, you'd fail to recognize that there are more important things in life than money.
I'm sorry that you feel that people on welfare are lazy. If you've lived your entire life and everything has gone according to your plans, that's fantastic, it doesn't exactly work out that way for everyone else.
You do realize that the only welfare a person who is able to work can get on is Food Stamps, right? (with the exception of having dependents)
misschloe3353 1 month ago
@misschloe3353 what's more important in life than money? without money, you die. you must be a female that's had daddy pay for everything her whole life, so you don't even understand what money is. you think the food you get comes from daddy and don't understand that daddy had to first earn money, then use that money to buy the food. also "with the exception of having dependents" is a HUGE exception. good lord. it is so f'n easy to work the system if you pop out a few kids.
UltraProle21 1 month ago
@UltraProle21 Ignoring the fact that you can't seem to argue without acting like a child, if you simply take a look at some of the greatest accomplishments in human history, they were achieved without a monetary incentive.
I don't recall seeing 'lack of funds' as a cause of death, though I get your point. However, this system doesn't exactly provide balanced rewards, in fact, typically large sums of money are given despite doing little to actually progress humanity.
misschloe3353 1 month ago
@misschloe3353 goodness. more socialist talking points. people don't do good things for a monetary reward, blah blah blah. yet somehow you can't manage to come up with any sort of alternative to markets as a primary means of allocating goods and services. it's not perfect, but there's nothing better. do you think the computer that you're using would have been designed without a profit motive? not a chance.
UltraProle21 1 month ago
@UltraProle21 As much as I would like to continually listen to you shove your foot in your mouth, realize it, then try to dodge it by jamming it right back up there again, I've got more important things to do.
Please try going outside once and a while and actually learn something about the world you live in, meet some new people that aren't as backwards as yourself.
misschloe3353 1 month ago
@misschloe3353 lol did your gender studies professor tell you to say that? typical sheltered, liberal white girl professing to know about the "real world." also, if you think your parents couldn't give a shit about you, then you are even more spoiled than i thought. seriously, take a look at your brainwashed, melodramatic attitude. you're just trying to fit in with people who have actually had a hard life. "my parents couldn't give a shit about me." yeah, right.
UltraProle21 1 month ago
@UltraProle21 Actually, I'm a Native American, and I'm not a liberal, but seeing as how you're the typical douchebag that starts with a conclusion and ignores any evidence that doesn't support it, I'm not surprised to see you simply assume details about me as if it were to actually tell you anything about who I am. I guess I'm also not surprised that you would think that indicating that someone has had some kind of higher education constitutes an insult.
misschloe3353 1 month ago
@UltraProle21 Since you brought it up, my parents are fundamentalist Christians, and their combined love of Capitalism and Jesus is so Ironic that it boggles the mind. They couldn't give a shit about me, and I've been independent for most of my life.
misschloe3353 1 month ago
This is the most retarded conversations I think I have ever heard....
ModernMorals 1 month ago
@ModernMorals Unfortunately these are real thoughts from idiot Americans. It's retarded, but real. You should recognize this aspect as it will undoubtedly affect your life. Get ready for a serious downfall if you live in the US. I am...
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Socialism, communism, capitalism, fascism, it's all out-dated systems which were always close to each other in the way they were working. They all include money, labor, scarcity. And all these 3 makes it impossible to live for the majority of people because they have to fight with each other in order to survive. Resource-based economic system with direct democracy is that what we need according to today's knowledge, technology and train of thought. Check thezeitgeistmovement . com
AlexeyJones 1 month ago
@AlexeyJones jesus christ, you think a direct democracy is going to be able to manage an entire economy? so i have to get a majority vote to start a lemonade stand?
UltraProle21 1 month ago
whether socialism works is arguable, but it's definitely more fair.
TheJayman213 1 month ago
@dudeonthasopha Norway has 5million people and the US has 310million people so I don't think it's a fair comparison. I agree that Norway has good points but they also have a 45% tax rate to pay for the 22% of people on welfare and 13% on disability. 30% of the labor force works for the government. So, that leaves a very small percentage of real workers who have to lump it into work and pay for everyone else. I'm not sure how that is equal or fundamentally right as you state.
Dean100able 1 month ago
Socialism doesn't work. Ask Russia.....And yes my family came to America almost 100 years ago because Communism sucks!!!! If you want to be told what to do and how to live your life go to China or North Korea. They'll tell ya how to live and there ain't no Disney World or MTV in those countries my friends!!
Dean100able 1 month ago
@Dean100able shut up. socialism does not turn a country into the soviet block. dumb fucking russians like lenin take and manipulate marxist theory with their little "totalitarian transition stage" that happens to never end haha. And then stupid chinese people take lenin's theory of a marxist state and make it even worse haha. Socialism does work, ask Norway there is basically NO poverty. social-liberalism (modern day) promotes equal wealth, health as well as fundamental rights.
dudeonthasopha 1 month ago
@Dean100able That isn't socialism or communism. That's totalitarianism, there is a very big difference between the two.
Giselaella 1 month ago
Have you been to Norway; Socialism seems to work well there. It also has the highest standard of living in the world. They have flourished with responsible government, and strong social programs, nobody has to suffer. The rich remain rich they just have 1 Ferrari instead of 2; how much do you really need in the pursuit of happiness.
crogsvien 1 month ago
It is an old story..and one we have not learnt..Learn!
jandismaszilenka 1 month ago
The world we live in, is divisive. It always was....Black/White....rich/poor....class 1/class2...etc...who set that standard?....When you go to work...who do you work for?...When you go Ancestry and you see an old relative shot and killed on Flanders field...do you go " oh well..'nother one bites the dust?..The only fuckers who do this are the rich...they make a stack of cash out of your families misery
jandismaszilenka 1 month ago
@superfrankpt Well hell, what do you expect with a 2nd grade education? Go start your own business and give all of the profits to your employees, see if it worth staying in business.
MrSeventhchild 1 month ago
Tendentious monologue by a right-wing ideologue. In short, a waste of time.
StephenHP62 1 month ago 2
@StephenHP62
HA!! That's the best ya can do? This video hits the nail squarely on the head. It's a PERFECT example of a lame liberal/socialist.
MrSeventhchild 1 month ago
Very well explained!
LanceHertford 1 month ago
Perhaps the creator of this vid should look up socialism, consider whether or not this country is really a democracy, and look at the past twenty years to see the proof that supply side and trickle down economics dont work.
12salem 1 month ago 2
@12salem
When was the last time you got hired by a poor person?
MrSeventhchild 1 month ago
@MrSeventhchild What does that have to do with this ? Just because poor people dont do the hiring that is not proof that trickle down economics work. Trickle down has been strongly in effect the last ten years, if it worked then why would unemployment be going up ?
12salem 1 month ago
Democrats, Liberals, and Socialists are just like little children.....they feel the need to ALWAYS be told what to do and how to do it ! Read up on your Russian and English History......
manicbhpp 1 month ago
Rubbish.
Absolute rubbish.
TerrySleeper 1 month ago
you should know what socialism is before you make videos. not even 30 seconds in and i can tell you have no background in political theory. Im sure other polisci majors like me are pretty pissed when uneducated people spout off politics we have studied for years while you regurgitate your ill informed bs.
dudeonthasopha 1 month ago
@dudeonthasopha You FAILED to explain WHY it's wrong. You just say it's stupid and then claim you have a degree in an attempt to validate your own opinion You have to do better than that. Make a proper argument or keep your opinions to yourself.
Here, I'll start. This is clearly a satire on arguments that lefties make, not an intellectual critique of socialism. For example, the women just spouts talking points rather than discussing the means of production or the tyranny of the proletariat.
coolbreezed 1 month ago
@coolbreezed its hard to see if its satire with monotoned voices. no inflection makes me think its just the same old American right talking about socialism because it sounds like it. and a lot of comments are people agreeing. a proper argument? on youtube? fuck that noise. there is so much wrong with this video and so limited of space on youtube to type i'd rather they found out for themselves instead of taking this seriously.
dudeonthasopha 1 month ago
@dudeonthasopha You don't need to hear inflection, the substance is what indicates satire. The purpose of these animated shorts is to expose the utter lunacy of many popular progressive views. You could do the same w/ conservative or libertarian views as well.
You have yet to point out what exactly is wrong here. All you've done is call it stupid and try to validate your point by claiming you have an undergrad degree. You're critique is baseless and your opinion worthless. Try harder.
coolbreezed 1 month ago
@coolbreezed Using talking points taken from the right to further the right's opinion doesn't properly express the views of what socialism is and what socialists think. in no way does this accurately express what people on the left/centre-left ACTUALLY think. why would you try to validate this. it is no more than a right winger spouting a bunch of shit that THEY personally believe about socialism.no where did i claim to have my degree i said i've been studying it. this person hasn't
dudeonthasopha 1 month ago
@dudeonthasopha
Waaaaaa!
MrSeventhchild 1 month ago
@dudeonthasopha
Forget "political theory" this is political reality. Socialists are morons. Look at Europe... how's THAT workin' out?
MrSeventhchild 1 month ago
@MrSeventhchild lol @ people like you who don't understand the word theory in the academic sense. and i know its hard for most americans to do but if you look outside western europe and go a little bit north there are 4 socialist democratic countries that have the highest standards of living in the world. western Europe fell for other reasons, not enough room to explain, and eastern Europe fell because it was an adapted version of marxism that lenin created. not social-liberalism
dudeonthasopha 1 month ago
@dudeonthasopha Oh it's right on the money. This is exactly what the leftist progressives think. I know, in YOUR head you think that Socialism just hasn't been tried the right way. Doesn't matter, it never has and never will work.
MrSeventhchild 1 month ago
These videos you made Battlefield are hillarious because they're so true. You are right on the money. And some of these socialist wankers are right on YouTube trying to diss your vids. I hate dumb socialist wankers. What the H is wrong with these people? They WANT the government to control their lives? Freakin morons.
mlsIoThtD 1 month ago 2
@mlsIoThtD o ya i forgot socialism automatically turns you into the soviet block and takes away your rights... WHAT!? Where the fuck do you people go to school to get this shit.
dudeonthasopha 1 month ago
@dudeonthasopha We don't have to take no college courses on poltical theory to see what socialism has wreaked on Europe. COMPLETE ECONOMIC DESTRUCTION along with the slow bleeding away of indivudual rights and freedoms. Taking from those who have earned and giving to those who have not earned is unsustainbale. But you want us to remain blind to the truth so that you can impliment your WACK idea of social justice. We can see with our own eyes you stupid.. STUPID idiot.
mlsIoThtD 1 month ago
@mlsIoThtD
Yes they are true. You can run into "useful idiots" everywhere.
MrSeventhchild 1 month ago
you talk like a person who can't value the benefits of socialisam and is too preocupied with anti-comunistic propaganda who's terror you have never experienced
cmonunisam may not work but socializam is a part of every country in the world but you dont recognise it because you were born with those privileges
CroZomBie 1 month ago
you are an idiot....
CrazyFireMoose 2 months ago
Socialism works....in the NFL
melonsushipan 2 months ago
Socialism isnt communism its capitilism mixed in with it right?
omega4chimp 2 months ago
I disagree, socialism works. But not in your country.
RagdollRalph 2 months ago in playlist More videos from Battlefield315
@davidlones365 Yes but the civil war did not start until the south attack Fort Sumner in South Carolina. You also have to remember that Lincoln only threatened to have slaves freed because the Confederacy refused to surrender. It was more than just slavery.
CyberTechWolf 2 months ago
U.N. peacekeepers in Rwanda stood by as Hutu slaughtered some 800,000 Tutsi. In Bosnia, the U.N. declared safe areas for Muslims but did nothing to secure them, letting the Serbs slaughter thousands in Srebrenica.
Nice one UN wannabe do-gooder morons
Jamespot24 2 months ago
We are already socialized to an extent. So many people are so horribly against the coming universal healthcare. Limbaugh, Beck, and others all want to scare us away from it. "Good goly! People are dying because of it in other countries" they say. They forget people in the US are dying because they don't have the money to get a medical procedure and no insurance. I have a friend from Morocco who says it works great over there. Doctors just treat you. No insurance BS.
ExplodingButton 2 months ago
@ExplodingButton
I live in Norway and I can assure you the healthcare here is absolute shit. People are dying while they are waiting months for cancer treatment. This is what always happens when the goverment is in charge of production. You get less supply than demand. The US spends as much government money on healthcare as Norway does and this is why they also have shit healthcare. To get good health care we need to remove all regulations and get government completely out of it.
atafto 2 months ago
@atafto But I heard Norway is a paradise? I mean you have such a high GDP, the UN ranks you highly!
THE UN!!!
Jamespot24 2 months ago
@Jamespot24
One would think that an organization that flags on half mast for evil dicators, believes that executing people for being gay is not a violation of human rights, and treats barbarian countries and civilized countries as equals would be a trustworthy source of information...
But seriously, even the UN's Human Development Index is clearly correlated with economic freedom. The closer we get to capitalism the better off the people are, especially the poor.
atafto 2 months ago
@atafto Lol I was just joking I hate the UN. Putting their flag at half mast only fuels the narcissism of North Korea. I don't think the UN has ever stopped a war, only approved of them and given legitimacy to war. I don't want a LEGAL WAR morons!!!
UN Human Development Index doesn't rank Hong Kong or Singapore as well as they do the Nordic countries and people have way more economic freedom in HK.
The UN is just a socialist organization with no teeth!
Jamespot24 2 months ago
@Jamespot24
I knew you were joking :)
And I feel the same way about the UN.
atafto 2 months ago
@atafto You know what I mean right.
Like a war that the UN disproves of is "illegal"
But if they approve of it then war is fine
Legality only comes from from having legitimate authority and the ability to punish, the UN has no authority over sovereign nations, and no ability to punish.
Thus the UN is just a group of wannabee do-gooders that can only accomplish things when countries voluntarily hand over sovereignty.
Jamespot24 2 months ago
@ExplodingButton Morocco is a dump, the only reason ur friend thinks that is because they have never experienced healthcare in another country. Never experienced American quality of healthcare.
Jamespot24 2 months ago
@Jamespot24 He has lived in the US for probably close to 10 years now.
ExplodingButton 2 months ago
@ExplodingButton excuse me?
Jamespot24 2 months ago
Typical anti-socialism banter. There are people out there like that woman who want to talk about socialism without really understanding it, and are therefore defeated by standard capitalist comebacks. The whole "if your a socialist, then why don't you give all your money to others?" is really weak. I'll tell you why I don't, because I would be living on the streets. You know, what with everyone else not doing the same and all. Everyone needs to be on board or it doesn't work. Up next, trolls!
ExplodingButton 2 months ago
@ExplodingButton exactly everyone needs to be on board or it doesnt work. So lead the way and others will follow you. Start now, u first
willythewildwino 2 months ago
This is bs
swingbeatnik7 2 months ago
Agreed the US is now Corny Capitalism, I just agree with Ayn Rand and that soon the government will turn on the corporations and between protection the ecology, federal health care and their reinterpreting the commerce provision the US Federal government can and probably will regulate everything. I just hope the US will ether go back to it's roots and drastically shrink the Federal government or you are right and the US will become more like the Nordic nations.
wwhit2001 2 months ago
I've heard of this. This is a form of corporatism. How are the profits and shares of the business shared? Does someone that has been there a week have as much authority as someone that's worked in the company for 30 years? I know if I was part of GM, AT&T, Visteon, Ford... I would like my voice to be heard but I know I'm not qualified to make the finial decision. Capitalism with not survive under totalitarianism and a constitutionally limited Republic (cont)
wwhit2001 2 months ago
Socialism takes over your responsibilities so they and take away your rights. Socialism moves power to 1 place where Capitalism divides power among everyone. You two Misterb0z and Nothiean are the fools giving away your rights for a loaf of bread. Why you can't understand this I don't know. Socialism keeps charging you more in taxes and giving it to the banks in interest and the new thing, bail outs. How can you think Socialism isn't trying to take over everything?
wwhit2001 2 months ago
@wwhit2001 How is the workers owning the means of production and all members of a corporation having an equil voice in dissition making taking away rights? Socialism, like Capitalism, is an economic system, not a political system, and like Capitalism it can work under democracy, monarchy, totalitarianism, ect. Socialism takes away rights as much as Capitalism does.
dave19941000 2 months ago
@dave19941000 based on rule of law and limited government powers will not survive with Socialism/social justice/the distribution of goods and services by force.
wwhit2001 2 months ago
@wwhit2001 The originaly invisioned form of Socialism, Social-Democracy, or Democratic Socialism, has worked in the Nordic nations and Germany with greater sucsess then the capitalistic and communist systems which are or where found to their east, south and west. As long as it is democratic, not authoritarian, socialism is the better system. Just as Capitalism is better when it is democratic instead of authoritarian. In the end neither system is perfect, but social-democracy is better
dave19941000 2 months ago
@dave19941000 I was wondering, what you would call the US's economic system now?
wwhit2001 2 months ago
@wwhit2001 Corporatist Capitalism is what I would call it, free market capitalism with the big corporations calling the shots. Some call it Corny Capitalism.
dave19941000 2 months ago
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wwhit2001 2 months ago
@dave19941000
Capitalism is simply the absence of force. Socialism is the opposite.
atafto 2 months ago
@atafto Capitalism is the economic version of dictatorship (the boss sais what happens and thats it), Socialism is the economic version of democracy (everyone wons the means of production and has an equil voice).
dave19941000 2 months ago
@dave19941000 Wrong. In a Free Market the people can influence the means of production as well. Take for example the recent event with Verizon Wireless, they were going to charge a $2 fee to pay your bills online was because it would anger their customers, and they would boycott and tale their business elsewhere. Free Markets will always structure an economy better than any socialist(s) ever can.
CyberTechWolf 2 months ago
@CyberTechWolf You mean like in Chile, where it turned a 1st world economy into a 2nd world one with 40% unemployment? Or in Argentina where it did almost the same? Or in the USSR (Russia) where it went from everyone having a job and a home to today where the top 5% own everything and the bottom 45% live in poverty? Or in South Africa where it turned a 1st world nation into a 3ed world one in only 5 of years? Or in Iraq where it has brought civil war? This is good, this is better?
dave19941000 2 months ago
@dave19941000 I mean, yeah cause God knows Russia was much better off under Stalin. Iraq, I would think Civil War had more to do than the economy. As for South Africa, places like that had economic dispair because of aparthied. When a black leader came into power the white owner businesses closed shop and left the country fearing backlash. Free Trade had nothing to do with it.
CyberTechWolf 2 months ago
@CyberTechWolf Under Gorbachov the USSR was better then it is today, and if it had not been for Yeltson it would have been a 1st world country by now, not 3 1st world countries, 2nd world ones and 13 3ed world ones. As for South Africa, why is poverty for blacks up and poverty for whites down since apparthied ended? And did you know that 98% of the companies traded at the Johannesburg Stock Exchange are still owned by Whites, or that Afrikaners still own 70% of the the farmland?
dave19941000 2 months ago
@dave19941000 Hm, I must have been thinking of Zimbabwe. Anyways as for Russia let's not forget during those years they were also invading other countries, or their sateillite states.
CyberTechWolf 2 months ago
@CyberTechWolf Zimbabwe was authoratarian communist, just as the USSR under Stalin, under Gorbachov though it was not invading countries (it had let the Soviet Bloc go free, where as under Stalin they crushed rebelion, and they left Afganistan), and the policies in place where moving the USSR towards the Social-Democratic system of the Scandinavian nations. Capitalism fails, Communism fails, but Social-Democracy uses the better parts of both in a manner that is superior to both.
dave19941000 2 months ago
@dave19941000 But let me ask you this, if Socialism is so great, then why are no American getting on a boat and sailing to Cuba, or moving to North Korea. Why did no Americans move to the Soviet Union, why did no one in West Berlin attempt to get into East Berlin (Other than trying to reunite with family.) A big reason the Wall was built was because the Soviets didn't like people in East Berline escaping. How about the Velvet Revolution, or the protests in Tiananmen Square, and in Romania?
CyberTechWolf 2 months ago
@CyberTechWolf The reason is this, North Korea and Cuba are authoritarian Communist, and until Gorbachov came to power so was the USSR, but in Germany, West Germany was a Social-Democracy, in other words Socialist, and East Germany was Authoritarian Communist. Remember that Communism is not socialism, and that capitalism without socialism does not work. The Marshal plan rebuilt Western Europe, and yet it was a socialist program, not a capitalist one.
dave19941000 2 months ago
@CyberTechWolf (Part 2) Also you must remember, the people at Tiananmen Square where protesting for Democracy AND Socialism, ang against the removal of laws such as minimun wage (which turned China into the worlds sweatshop)
dave19941000 2 months ago
@dave19941000 Let me ask you a different type of question, let's say I decide to set aside $50,000 to start my own business. Would you a Socialist leader allow me to freely run my business (and no I'm not looking to defraud my customers or my employees). Also as for claiming Capitalism doesn't work, then why is it that the United States has produced more modern inventions than Socialist countries like Norway and Sweeden?
CyberTechWolf 2 months ago
@CyberTechWolf In a Social-Democratic nation your small business would be more likely to sucseed then in a more capitalist one such as the US, because of laws that make the market fair as opposed to free (free market and fair market rarely mix). As for the invantions, the US has over 300 million people living in it, Sweden (most populated Scandinavian nation) has under 10 million. On a per Capita basis the number is about the same (infact Socialist Germany has the most).
dave19941000 2 months ago
@dave19941000 Fair does not work. I mean your ideas of fairness are yours. I would rather have freedom. Because after all, what if my opinon of fair differs from that of yours? What are you going to just tell everyone that you know better than them? I want freedom, not your or some one else's idea of fairness.
CyberTechWolf 2 months ago
@CyberTechWolf I could ask you what is a free economy, as it to is undefinable. Should Slavery be defined as part of a free market? What I want is an economy where small business has a chance to become something and not get crushed by corporations, where China does not get our jobs because their workers live in 3ed world conditions and their government devalues their currency making competition impossible without reverting into a 3ed world state.
dave19941000 2 months ago
@dave19941000 Slavery is banned under the 13th Amendment of the Constitution. But you have to think why it is that business go overseas in the first place. More profit right? Well if taxes on my factory in the US are 30% where as in CHina they are 10% why would pass it up? I agree that businesses should be here but people go away because you incentivise them to.
CyberTechWolf 2 months ago
@CyberTechWolf Corporations do not pay 30% in taxes, many do not pay taxes at all, they move to China because a 3ed world labour force living in shacks and making 2$ an hour if their luck can make pruducts for less then americans. The only way to compete with China is for the majority of americans to live a 3ed world life and work 12 hours a day in dangerous conditions. And not only that, but does that not mean the 13th amendment goes against the free market?
dave19941000 2 months ago
@dave19941000 First of all can you prove companies in China right now pay no taxes? Also why do you keep saying 3ed? You know its 3rd right? Like I said, you want to keep companies here in the US, give them a good incentive. Either lower taxes or tax credits or something. You can't just expect or force a company to stay here.
CyberTechWolf 2 months ago
@CyberTechWolf I did not say corporations in China pay no taxes, its in the US where they pay no taxes. Last year most of the Fortune 500 did not pay taxes to the federal government, the reason I brought it up was because the tax argument is bull, and have you seen how Chinese labourers live? Most live in small 1-2 room apartments with 2 to 7 people living in each room. And you can not force companies to stay, but you can have tariffs and Cap in Trade which make it more profitable
dave19941000 2 months ago
@dave19941000 I have seen the documenteries, for companies like Wal-Mart. I agree that they are bad things. But to be honest that's something that's bewteeen the Chinese government and Wal-Mart. Can I see some statistics proving that those comapnies payed no taxes? Your statement is bull really, Goldman Sach's pays 30 cents of every dollar made in taxes, you see for yourself on their website. Cap and Trade is a horrible peice of legislation.
CyberTechWolf 2 months ago
@CyberTechWolf The stats come fron the US government. And have you read what Cap and Trade is? It will make the economy greener (which is needed because of deplition of resaurses) and it will make it more profitable for companies to make products here. What is the probelm with protectionism? Its not like free trade built the economy, it was protectionism that did, because if in the late 1800s during the industrial revolution there was free trade the UK would have owned the US.
dave19941000 2 months ago
@dave19941000 Because Protectionism is part of what caused this mess. I hope you realize protectionism means bailing out businesses and banks. Also "The US government" is not enough. I want to know specifically where these stats are, cause I can tell you you can find what I'm talking about on Goldman Sach's website. Greener? Please, the idea of basing trade around emissions will hurt our economy, to have people who don't work in the industry set standards is very aristocratic.......
CyberTechWolf 2 months ago
@dave19941000 ....Free Trade did increase our standard of living. It wasn't Cap and Trade style regulation that brought about the industrial revolution or made the US one of the world leaders in innovative and modern inventions. Let me give you an example on the importance of Free Trade, during the Civil War, the Battle of Vicksburg, the Union gained control of the Mississippi River which crushed the Souths economy. Betetr yet, just watch this: /watch?v=mDp65Juibes
CyberTechWolf 2 months ago
@CyberTechWolf Free trade only works when it is with those why can compete fairly, like the US and Canada or EU and US, but when it is with countries that have arfiticialy low production prices brought about by direct government intervention like in China, or by flooding a country with an infant economy, such as most of Sub-Sahara Africa, it is, in the first case, only good for the government interveaning, and in the second it is only good for the 1st world one.
dave19941000 2 months ago
@dave19941000 Maybe but in places like Zimbabwe where there was hyperinflation that was a result of government action. Did you watch the video by the way? And I agree to a certain extent in your "fair play" idea. That's why we have the Clayton Anti-Trust Act. Nevertheless those kinds of laws are in place.
CyberTechWolf 2 months ago
@dave19941000
That's a lie! The boss in a free economy is not a dictator. All he can do is offer you a job and you choose if you accept or not. The employers have to compete with each other to give you the best conditions.
In socialism you are offered no choice. What the chosen elite says goes, and if you oppose they will use violence. If I am not allowed to sell my labor to whoever I choose, then I do not own my means of production.
atafto 2 months ago
@atafto (Part 1) When it comes to the disition making of a corporation, the CEO and tha shairholders make every and all choices, in socialism only those who work for a corporation own its stock and all have the same amount of stock, giving them all the same voice in dissition making.
If you are emplying that socialism is violent because of the Soviet Unions style of work, then you know nothing of the Socialism or what it reprisents.
dave19941000 2 months ago
@dave19941000
If I wanted to own part of the company I work for I would buy stocks. But maybe I would rather invest in something else. Do you respect that I am different from you? Would you let me sell my shares to whoever I decide, or do you want to force me to do just as you say?
Socialism is violent! It is all about doing as the majority or the elite dicates or you will be thrown in jail. Locking people up is violent!
atafto 2 months ago
@atafto "It is all about doing as the majority or the elite dictates or you will be thrown in jail." ...um, thats how a capitalist democracy works!
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@davidlones365
Nope. In a free economy you own your body and your labor no matter what the majority or the elite says. You can sell it to whoever wants to buy. In your capitalis society I would be trown in jail if I chose not to share my labor with other people.
atafto 2 months ago
@atafto Really??? ...so, "we own our own body"??? If conservatives really believe this about our society, why do you guys always insist on limiting what people can put in and take out of their own body, and what two consenting adults decide to do with each others bodies?????
Also, history has shown the majority limit the freedoms of other races, women, and gays, time and time again.
davidlones365 2 months ago
@davidlones365
Where have I said that I am conservative?!?!? You are being prejudiced now. Unlike you I belive that adults should own their bodies 100%. I fully support legalizing drugs and everything two or more consenting adults agree upon, wheter it is sex, boxing or employment.
Yes, the majority has often been guilty of autrocities. I don't support majority rule, but individual rights. This means that you have the right to be free from theft, violence etc. no matter what the majority says.
atafto 2 months ago
@atafto ...well, then I'm confused as to what your point is. The definition of a democracy is, in fact, a majority rule. Combining "capitalism" with a "democracy" inevitably produces what you have called "corporotism". As, in a capitalist society such as ours, money equates power, and in a democracy such as ours, power can equal votes.
davidlones365 2 months ago