And here's what I consider the best argument against controlled demolition:
Watch the videos of the towers collapsing. They very clearly and plainly fail at the points of impact from the planes.
Now, I invite any Truther to explain to me what kind of demolitions setup (explosives, thermite, etc) can not only survive impact from AN AIRLINER but also exposure to burning jet fuel for nearly an hour while not only remaining functional but remotely operable.
@nekopheliac That's a bug going around Youtube. I've had the same problem intermittently. It helps if you disable automatic updates.
As for WTC 7,
First article rebuttal: Structure Magazine, "Single Point of Failure" Ramon Gilsanz, Willy Ng. Explains in detail and with graphs how WTC 9 was struck by perimeter columns from the falling towers.
This is truly impossible to copy/paste. But the New York times hosts package transcripts of the FDNY communications concerning WTC 7 on the actual day. You can look it up, I'm not going to spoon feed you everything.
The transcripts show that not only was there concern from the word go about WTC 7 collapsing, but they actually setting up a collapse zone. They also "pull" WTC 6 with hydraulic cables to create a safe collapse.
@nekopheliac The transcripts also describe severe fires and a gaping hole in WTC 7 (remember those perimeter columns I mentioned?)
WTC 7 was 400 feet away from the 1300 foot towers. Photo evidence shows a trail of twisted beams and sheared off concrete slaps leading to the front of WTC 7.
Direct quote from the transcripts:
"a hole 20 stories tall in the building, with fire on several floors." "I would say it was probably about a third of it".
@Valyn66 I've seen the pictures. It was 20 stories if you included the broken glass. It was hardly a 20 story hole. Again more gross misrepresentations of the event on the day. Also I've never know a building with only one corner/side damaged to fall straight down. A 3rd was on fire hey? Where's the video evidence of that? All that I've seen are spotty fires on several floors. I am aware though that some very sensitive and important SEC investigation info was in that building.
@nekopheliac Riiiight. So a direct source from the FDNY chief who both ordered the evacuation of WTC 7 and created a collapse zone around it, including a list of his reasons why they did what they did, just isn't good enough? Because there isn't "video" of the fires that actually brought the building down (again if you'd bother to read the sources, they knew that the bottom level was 4 columns spaced to create an atrium) that must mean the firefighters are all lying and I'm a schil?
@nekopheliac For the record, this is absolutely typical of conspiracy theorists. You hear hoof beats and assume it's a Tyrannosaurus. You ignore sources, cherry-pick quotes, and pounce on any quote, any frame of video, from one of the most confusing and well-documented events in human history that seems "irregular" and jump immediately to the conclusion that that proves Government involvement.
I'm guessing you've never debated or had formal logic education in your entire life.
@nekopheliac If anyone would like the links to these transcripts, email me and I would be happy to give them. As comments make it stupidly difficult to post links and websites, any concerned Truther looking to challenge their own views will just have to take the extra 2 seconds to PM me.
@nekopheliac The following block is a list of reasons sourced by Chief Daniel Nigro explaining why they evacuated, why they feared collapse, and the general attitude of FDNY at the time concerning WTC 7.
1. Although prior to that day high-rise structures had never collapsed, The collapse of WTC 1 & 2 showed that certain high-rise structures subjected to damage from impact and from fire will collapse.
@nekopheliac "For these reasons I made the decision (without consulting the owner, the mayor or anyone else - as ranking fire officer, that decision was my responsibility) to clear a collapse zone surrounding the building and to stop all activity within that zone. Approximately three hours after that order was given, WTC 7 collapsed.
Conspiracy theories abound and I believe firmly that all of them are without merit.
@Valyn66 Yup, all good in the hood. Then it must have been a brain fart also when Silverstein said in interview that HE gave the decision to 'pull' the building. You still are avoiding the building itself. You can repeat the hearsay all you want that doesn't remove the building from existence. Where were the top outer portions of the building that would have been there had it not been decimated the way it was. It must be the building wasn't made of steel.
@nekopheliac Did you bother to read Single Point of Failure?
For the love of God. This is just stupid. It's like watching a snake eating it's own tail. Your reasoning is completely circular and if you'd even bothered to look at the transcripts I directed you to, you would see that not only was Silver-stein quoted out of context, but that FDNY was operating a "pull" on WTC 6 with hydraulic cranes.
I refuse to even answer you further until you actually bother to read my sources.
IF THERE WERE NO FUCKING PLANES WHY WERE THE PASSENGERS FAMILIES SO DEVESTATED THAT THEY WERE ON THE FLIGHTS AND WEREMISSING STILL MISSING NOW YA FUCKING DOUCHE BAGS
every time I watch a video of the plane hitting, I get sick inside. God bless all the innocent souls lost in these horrible attacks, and God bless the police men and firefighters that lost thier lives trying to save them... RIP....you won't be forgotten.
The people talking on the news dont sound shocked or scared or surprised that much at all when they see another plane hit the other building? What the hell, I was 8 when this happened and I remember being more shocked than them.
you conspiracy theory people are so ignorant and retarded. facts show u dummies are more readily to believe ANY conspiracy theory about anything.. look it up. then atfterwards look up the fucking scientific facts about the attacks and how loose change was created as a JOKE at first an in attempt to make money
@EvilKnievel1980 Of course, that confirms it. It was all an inside job. Because there is absolutely NO chance he was viewing from the side of the building opposite from where the plane struck, or was simply not looking for a moment.
i just watched about 50 911 videos and not one shows clearly a united airlines plane hitting the building, its either blurry, edited or something is in the way. hmmmmmmmm
When America nuked the two Japanese cities they killed 140,000+ innocent people. Another 2 million died in the next 5 years. They have bombed civilians of
did anyone notice that it looks like the nose of the plane makes it all the way through the building before the large fireball. it looks totally unscathed. come on people we have the technology to analyze these videos at every angle. where are all those av nerds from highschool. did anyone else see what i just saw?
@Ferrobbra There is a scientist's animation/Reconstruction of this impact on YT , Which illustrates the plane destroyed almost as soon as it enters .... ..Yet, In REAL LIFE it just glides through it , Like a knife through butter ..I TOO FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE ... abc news live coverage *edt ...That should stand for *EDIT , Fakery on the news ... Who would have thought eh ?
@edshot87 a ha, so the whole thing is now CGI and it didnt actually happen? jesus if you guys could at least form a few, consistent, plausible arguaments then maybe ppl might start to listen! but ok lets assume, yes, a plane made from light sheet aluminium would crumple into a mess on impact, but it doesnt,so where does that leave us?the plane was made of steel?the facade had been modified with a softer material?how the fuck does that prove anything?why is that relevant?
@neilus #LOL .... ok , I said it was edited , Meaning the plane has been added to the footage . The building did go bang just not from a 767 ....and before you say missiles and shit ..i think it was explosives planted in the building , not a missile or lasers or what ever the fuck you have been reading ...go learn about money and war and how they work ....
@AccessDenied55 ... stop fighting about planes or not, thats what the neocons and israel plotted, bickering amongst the obvious no muslim terrorists did this ... the towers were turned to dust, period, fire doesnt do that
@AccessDenied55 Hey ty! If not for you I wouldn't have gone looking for new evidence. Pretty awesome hey how that plane collision threw building struts so far. Try this experiment. Built a tower out of spaghetti noodles and glue it all together, then glue it to something solid. Let it harden. Then fire a paper clip at it and tell me how much damage it does.
@nekopheliac Riiiight. Because apparently in your extensive experience with "h.s. physics" nobody taught you the basic equation for calculating force. I'm not a high school physics teacher (thank God) so I'm not going to spoon feed you the equations.
But, tell me, do you REALLY think it's reasonable to compare a 255,000lb jet traveling at over 500 mph with about 10,000 gallons of jet fuel to a paper clip shot from a rubber band?
Your head is in a seriously dark and stinky place.
@Valyn66 And you sir are apparently a liar. Why don't you try a comparative force analysis? You know, weight vs tensile strength, vs velocity and momentum. That 10,000 gallons you speak off...is that at take off? That 10,000 gallons, you mean the stuff that all went orange upon impact, yeah that got spent in the blast. You mean the HS physics which tells us all the melting point of materials? How about ejected velocities? How does one over come gravity? Outward forces caused by what?
Yes. Those same HS physics. All of which confirm the NIST accounts.
Every single one of your little contentions is based on the assumption of exclusion. You conspiracy theorists draw around the truth like a child drawing around their hand. First it was "oh, jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough!!" Then when it was PROVEN that jet fuel, combined with the various materials of burning office supplies, could easily reach upwards of 1800 degrees, you guys invented "nanothermite.
@Valyn66 1800 hey? Still 700 shy of melting steel. Even if you could imagine that for the first time in recorded history, even in the same year, that an office building (let alone one built to withstand a jet impact) was brought down or even significantly damaged by a long burning fire. Why don't you take 5 minutes and research how many large office fires there have been, even with built-in fuel back-ups igniting, that have raged for many more hours and had squat happen to the frames.
@nekopheliac No one said the steel had to melt. There's a simple little property of metallurgy whereby alloys like steel, for instance, loser 50% of their load-bearing strength at 60% of their melting point. Again, simple science seems to elude you conspiracy theorists. It would have taken you about 1 minute on Google to look this up.
@Valyn66 Yes we are aware of the steel weakening NIST demo. I've seen their video. Where is the resistance in the actual event? Where is the slow expected collapse we'd then expect from the burning levels (even if there is no evidence in HISTORY of this ever happening even recently). Again and this is the point that always kills me; you always ignore the lower floors. As if they have no supporting strength themselves. The weight of something burning is not more than when it was not.
@nekopheliac When was the last time a high rise structure had been hit by a 255,000lb jet traveling at over 500mph and carrying about 12,000 gallons of jet fuel, prior to 9/11?
@nekopheliac Do you have any idea how much force those lower floors were hit with? 800 feet of the trade tower hits one floor...what do you think happens? What resistance is expected?
@nekopheliac P.S. - In the future, how about you wait until I'm finished posting the block of evidence YOU asked for before interrupting and calling me a "schill."
@Valyn66 Maybe you can explain the near lack of resistance while the buildings are falling. If the buildings pancaked then how come they didn't get progressively slower as they descended? What about building WTC7? I guess you are with Joe Lieberman that the building never existed? Why did Silverstein ask the fire fighters to 'Pull' it? How was it that they were able to rig it in a couple hours when it was too bad for them to go inside (according to Silverstein). Start with WTC7.
"It had very heavy fire on many floors and I ordered the evacuation of an area sufficient around to protect our members, so we had to give up some rescue operations that were going on at the time and back the people away far enough so that if 7 World Trade did collapse, we [wouldn't] lose any more people."
Direct quote from one of the fireman at the scene of the trade towers. WTC 7 was structurally unsound with a MASSIVE hole in one side of it.
@Valyn66 The hole was not massive. It was tiny relative to the overall size of the building. Though it was there, and it did have damage. Point two. An office fire or any other kind of fire including arson has never taken down a steel frame building. WTC7 was a 47 storied enormous building. The building fell for a good portion of its descent at free fall (0 res) into its own footprint and not towards the hole.
@Valyn66 Apparently you either never read the NIST report or you you never studied their demolition CG of WTC7 collapsing, likely both. You know how easy it is to run a simulation like that as many times as you like and then show the public the one that is the closest match for the event? I bet if they told you there were five lights you'd believe them without trying to count for yourself. Who's paying you to counter my assertions anyways? What do you have to gain from your arguments?
@nekopheliac Truth is what I have to gain from my arguments. You're spreading bad information based on worse science and pawning it off as unveiling some evil super-conspiracy that killed thousands of people.
Some basic questions: Explain the millions of eyewitnesses in New York who witnessed the second plan impact.
Explain the location of all the crews and passengers of the "imaginary" flights.
Explain the overwhelming number of experts who have refuted your view.
@Valyn66 First of all, posting comments on this video is in no way an indication of my personal beliefs about what happened. So try arguing from that standpoint. Secondly I don't have to explain anything to you.
@nekopheliac Oh and one final thing. I find it hilarious that you advise me to look at history and "see the patterns" you claim to have seen which, when visualized, magically illuminate all truth in the world.
How about you take a few minutes to study the historical effectiveness of democratic governments in keeping even minor scandals secret. The president can't even get a blowjob in the Oval Office without the whole world finding out, and you think something like THIS wouldn't.
@Valyn66 BJ in the oval office was a distraction. Of course it was front page in-your-face for as long as they could milk it. If you really cared about people you'd know what atrocities that charade was hiding. You'd question why that story had more 'head'-lines than Bosnia or Iraq, or Somalia, or Myanmar, or the financial troubles looming. Get your facts straight and try to actually look at the world. All you do is spin and regurgitate.
@nekopheliac Oh I see. So even the Lewinksy scandal which very nearly cost Clinton his job was all a smoke screen for more evil empire activities. You should take this crap to the comedy circuit.
@Valyn66 Not to mention so far you have not given a single distinct rebuttal for any of my assertions. You have failed to answer any of my questions. You just say "look at nist, nana nana boo boo" "Check out this ONE web page debunking you idiots! you must be wrong." Do you actually know how to debate, or are you just filling text fields to make it seem like there is a legitimate argument to be had over these subjects?
@nekopheliac ONE webpage is not the same thing as one source you colossal mental reject. This is ridiculous. The website is merely a consolidated source of the MOUNTAIN of independent sources all of which reject your claims. I have DIRECTLY refuted everything you've said and your one and only defense is "Oh, that site...like, totally illegit, bro."
Come on. Please tell me you're having a laugh and don't actually consider yourself a talented debater?
@nekopheliac As I said: refute the arguments on that site (supported at the bottom of each page by multiple independent sources, with links) or admit you can't and sulk away like the wannabe "truth seeker" you know you are.
@nekopheliac Sigh. Just sigh. Okay, then. As you wish.
You go ahead and let fly with your best. I mean your best, golden, unassailable arguments proving a government involvement in the terrorist attacks on 9/11 and I will laboriously copy/paste about a dozen 500 character posts refuting your pseudo-scientific bullshit.
Sigh. Go on, then. Do your worst, you Truther piece of moronic shit.
@Valyn66 Again you presuppose my beliefs. You are not paying attention to what has been said. Please play by the rules of debate. So far you have not made any assertions, and you still refuse to counter any of mine. You seem to be stuck on repeat with nothing really to say other than to keep repeating that I am a moron.
Just copy paste for us all to see something explaining WTC7. Start there tough guy.
@nekopheliac Whoa whoa. I need to "play by the rules of debate?" This from the guy who dismissed an entire site full of counter-arguments and sources, consolidated into one comprehensive rebuttal, as "Not legit." Oh come now. Whoever taught you "debate" really had no business even trying to use the word in a sentence.
What assertions do I need to make? My assertion is that 9/11 was a terrorist attack involving 11 hijackers funded by Al-Qaeda. Prove me wrong. Burden is on you.
@Valyn66 11 hey? Let's all assume that was some massive brain fart and you meant 19 hijackers and many more supporting figures, some well known, some not. I'm sure that's what you meant. You're not even good at this trolling thing. You see for me this is fun. You are just a fool or a schill.
Your assertion is too broad. Try to narrow it to one detail. Here's an example: witnesses on the ground and reporters on TV and radio heard explosions all through the day coming from the buildings.
@nekopheliac Oh this is a lovely comment. 11 was a typo and I simplified the contention. Do you even know what a troll is, you moron? Trolls don't make arguments and cite sources.
@Valyn66 notice too how you say an 'entire site'. You know how many 'entire sites' their are pointing to all the obvious flaws in the official story? You do realize they too link to their sources? You can't be so stupid, you must be an actor.
@nekopheliac Hahaha. Would it really be better if instead of linking that cite to you I just flooded these comments with links to all the sources it's supported by? They're at the bottom of every page you might notice. All there. Dozens per argument.
That I don't feel like trying to cram a mountain of contradictory evidence into 500 character chunks doesn't speak to the legitimacy of my arguments. It speaks to your own fear to confront the truth when it slaps you in the face.
@nekopheliac Hahaha. Would it really be better if instead of linking that cite to you I just flooded these comments with links to all the sources it's supported by? They're at the bottom of every page you might notice. All there. Dozens per argument.
That I don't feel like trying to cram a mountain of contradictory evidence into 500 character chunks doesn't speak to the legitimacy of my arguments. It speaks to your own fear to confront the truth when it slaps you in the face.
@Valyn66 When the massive explosions took place that ejected all the plane and building material the crash was hours old. Where did the force come from to blow the top of the 'pancake' stack? How did it get so much force to blow everything outward? That force came after the impact. Did that office furniture contain explosive material that after being on fire for a couple hours decide to just blow up taking out two of the most robust constructions on the planet?
@MockEmpire That would be news to several million eyewitnesses in New York. The whole city was in on the conspiracy, was it? People watching friends and colleagues die...and yet they all uniformly lie about watching the plane impact with their own eyes.
i wish some of the people would have run out on fire. this was a good day and i had fun watching the death. the people who died i laugh at all the time. when i woke up and saw what was going on i ran around the house shouting im glad for the death. it was very electrifying to see people jump to there death. i had a good day and wish more would happen
@bendmystep if you feel that why, what would people think about you if you were in that moment. people would feel bad for you but if you said that to them they would not feel so bad because you thought that way. so becarful what you say beacuase right now your comment is flagged by spam.
I still remember, I was on my room in the hospital (to fix the scars in my face from a dog attack) and the doctor came in and told me to put it on vtm (a belgian television channel) because there was something wrong going on...
Ah who gives a crap, no big deal, just rebuild it and make it bigger and a bit stronger. People make so much of a big deal of Sept. 11. Whatever, it's just another date that will be lost in history. Remember the date of the Bhopal Disaster? Didn't think so. Many more people died in that disaster then in Sept. 11.
wow that broadcaster had such an inhumane reaction like he was broadcasting an event, everyone else: OMG OMG OMG, Charles: that looks like a second plane
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@MyRaptorJesus awwe well to bad for them and fuck you honeslty who says shame one you what are you 67 or something fuck off i wish you had have been in that plane that would make the world so much better.
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There's a difference between being brainwashed by society and being LOGICAL. You weirdos are just bored with life and want to find something to analyze.
why would peter jennings say a concerted effort to attack. wouldnt that have to be confirmed before he said somthing like that. thats eary. you know that the media news stations are ran by the secret society.
who are you? u probably will be one of the human cattle in the future. People who dont think above the norm are people like you...the ones who let someone else think for them.. easier that way huh
@townsjim That is whats wrong with people like you. You have to have hard evidence. You have to be told by a news broadcast or informed by someone "important" that its true. After seeing NBC's live shot of the second impact and seeing this one its blatant and obvious that this plane in this video is FAKE.
@XMrCXify So millions of New Yorkers who watched this impact with their own fucking eyes are all part of some government conspiracy? The only thing blatant and obvious, here, is that something is seriously wrong your critical thinking abilities.
This whole "9/11 Conspiracy" nonsense has been refuted, over and over, by anyone who matters in the fields of both civil and aeronautical engineering for over a DECADE now.
What the Hell is wrong with you? You just wish it were a conspiracy
@townsjim Son, we have plenty of hard evidence. It's people like you who don't want to understand what actually happened. Ever wonder why they won't reopen the investigation? They're scared.
Bullshit, people like you will believe anything. Things like "TV isnt harming my children" "Obama has only good intentions" and "JFK was shot from the back". Pro government individualls are scared people who have small penises and NEVER have any hard evidence."
Point being, prove me wrong! Research independent information, not provided by the government, other wise that would be like letting a murderer present all the key evidence of his choise. KTHXBYE.
you are thick as fuck the plane is clear to see, it IS the second plane, the coverage does not show the first one that has already caused that big hole in the first building you fucking stupid redneck.
"i did not see a plane go in...." 0:30. arund those seconds he say's it repeatedly. the reporter keeps pushing it, saying "I just saw another plane coming in from the side."
The reporter might have not been able to see the plane, but he sure as would have herd the fuker. But if a missile hit it, this would have been travelling faster than sound the missile noise would have arrived later and would have be covered up by the explosion at close range.
we letd them in this country cause their own people, aka the terroist groups were killing their own nation cause they didnt do what they wanted everyone to obey.
so its the terroists you have to blame, not the outlanders themselves.
but the assholes that kills outlanders, and people from other countries, aka as they did in the trade towers.
Esta perseguição de PSEUDO-FASCISTAS sobre os americanos se assemelha a perseguição de Hitler contra os judeus e ciganos. Absolutamente desumano!!! Me choca ver os muçulmanos vibrarem com o anti-catarmos. =(((((((((((
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dude anyone who believes in this no fuckin plane bull shit is a joke themselves. a plane hit both of the twin towers, okay. end of discussion. i don't even believe the fairy tale called 9/11 commission report, 90% of it. some of it true, such as these two planes striking the tower. there is extentsive photography, professional and amatuer suggesting this guy in the vid got his shit wrong.
PEOPLE DIED. And you're worrying about supporting bush ro obama?! are you kidding me?! we should eb worrying about terrorism, not fucking obama or bush,
ahahaha people beilve it was "Terrorist " Lets go kick some terrorism ass:P Just say 5000 people died because of terrorism ... So We point fingers go to the middle of no where spend trillions of dollars on it ... and yet only 100 million dollars are funded for peanut allergies and more then thousands of people die for it why not find a cure ?
F you! This is NOT George Bush's fault. FBi intelligence came to Bill Clinton and Al Gore between 1998 and 2000 that there was a chance of attack on US soil and Osama Bin Laden was planning somthing. IT IS NOT GEORGE BUSH'S FAULT!
So dumb dumb why did Bush ignore it? Because he decided to use it to his advantage and tell Bin Laden that he would carry it out with US people and blame Hussain. Remember Bin Laden Family was flown out of the US the next day when all planes where grounded hmmmmmm
This was the live video feed that I was watching on the morning of 9/11. That is unmistakably a plane striking the tower. The STORY here was the north tower on fire. Why would they put cameras showing the south tower or where the south tower would obscure the north tower? They wouldn't have and didn't.
There are dozens upon dozens of corroborating amateur videos available of the second plane hit. Anyone that has any doubt as to the FACT that a plane hit the towers is simply nuts.
And here's what I consider the best argument against controlled demolition:
Watch the videos of the towers collapsing. They very clearly and plainly fail at the points of impact from the planes.
Now, I invite any Truther to explain to me what kind of demolitions setup (explosives, thermite, etc) can not only survive impact from AN AIRLINER but also exposure to burning jet fuel for nearly an hour while not only remaining functional but remotely operable.
Go ahead. I'll wait.
Valyn66 6 days ago
Lol, now the post comment limit is 200 chars on the front page of this video and all the recent comments are buried. I must have hit a nerve.
nekopheliac 1 week ago
@nekopheliac That's a bug going around Youtube. I've had the same problem intermittently. It helps if you disable automatic updates.
As for WTC 7,
First article rebuttal: Structure Magazine, "Single Point of Failure" Ramon Gilsanz, Willy Ng. Explains in detail and with graphs how WTC 9 was struck by perimeter columns from the falling towers.
Valyn66 6 days ago
@nekopheliac Second block of evidence:
This is truly impossible to copy/paste. But the New York times hosts package transcripts of the FDNY communications concerning WTC 7 on the actual day. You can look it up, I'm not going to spoon feed you everything.
The transcripts show that not only was there concern from the word go about WTC 7 collapsing, but they actually setting up a collapse zone. They also "pull" WTC 6 with hydraulic cables to create a safe collapse.
Valyn66 6 days ago
@nekopheliac The transcripts also describe severe fires and a gaping hole in WTC 7 (remember those perimeter columns I mentioned?)
WTC 7 was 400 feet away from the 1300 foot towers. Photo evidence shows a trail of twisted beams and sheared off concrete slaps leading to the front of WTC 7.
Direct quote from the transcripts:
"a hole 20 stories tall in the building, with fire on several floors." "I would say it was probably about a third of it".
Valyn66 6 days ago
@Valyn66 I've seen the pictures. It was 20 stories if you included the broken glass. It was hardly a 20 story hole. Again more gross misrepresentations of the event on the day. Also I've never know a building with only one corner/side damaged to fall straight down. A 3rd was on fire hey? Where's the video evidence of that? All that I've seen are spotty fires on several floors. I am aware though that some very sensitive and important SEC investigation info was in that building.
nekopheliac 6 days ago
@nekopheliac Riiiight. So a direct source from the FDNY chief who both ordered the evacuation of WTC 7 and created a collapse zone around it, including a list of his reasons why they did what they did, just isn't good enough? Because there isn't "video" of the fires that actually brought the building down (again if you'd bother to read the sources, they knew that the bottom level was 4 columns spaced to create an atrium) that must mean the firefighters are all lying and I'm a schil?
Valyn66 6 days ago
@nekopheliac For the record, this is absolutely typical of conspiracy theorists. You hear hoof beats and assume it's a Tyrannosaurus. You ignore sources, cherry-pick quotes, and pounce on any quote, any frame of video, from one of the most confusing and well-documented events in human history that seems "irregular" and jump immediately to the conclusion that that proves Government involvement.
I'm guessing you've never debated or had formal logic education in your entire life.
Valyn66 6 days ago
@nekopheliac If anyone would like the links to these transcripts, email me and I would be happy to give them. As comments make it stupidly difficult to post links and websites, any concerned Truther looking to challenge their own views will just have to take the extra 2 seconds to PM me.
Valyn66 6 days ago
@nekopheliac The following block is a list of reasons sourced by Chief Daniel Nigro explaining why they evacuated, why they feared collapse, and the general attitude of FDNY at the time concerning WTC 7.
1. Although prior to that day high-rise structures had never collapsed, The collapse of WTC 1 & 2 showed that certain high-rise structures subjected to damage from impact and from fire will collapse.
Valyn66 6 days ago
@nekopheliac
2. The collapse of WTC 1 damaged portions of the lower floors of WTC 7.
3. WTC 7, we knew, was built on a small number of large columns providing an open Atrium on the lower levels.
4. Numerous fires on many floors of WTC 7 burned without sufficient water supply to attack them.
Valyn66 6 days ago
@nekopheliac "For these reasons I made the decision (without consulting the owner, the mayor or anyone else - as ranking fire officer, that decision was my responsibility) to clear a collapse zone surrounding the building and to stop all activity within that zone. Approximately three hours after that order was given, WTC 7 collapsed.
Conspiracy theories abound and I believe firmly that all of them are without merit.
Regards, Dan Nigro
Chief of Department FDNY (retired)"
Valyn66 6 days ago
@Valyn66 Yup, all good in the hood. Then it must have been a brain fart also when Silverstein said in interview that HE gave the decision to 'pull' the building. You still are avoiding the building itself. You can repeat the hearsay all you want that doesn't remove the building from existence. Where were the top outer portions of the building that would have been there had it not been decimated the way it was. It must be the building wasn't made of steel.
nekopheliac 6 days ago
@nekopheliac Did you bother to read Single Point of Failure?
For the love of God. This is just stupid. It's like watching a snake eating it's own tail. Your reasoning is completely circular and if you'd even bothered to look at the transcripts I directed you to, you would see that not only was Silver-stein quoted out of context, but that FDNY was operating a "pull" on WTC 6 with hydraulic cranes.
I refuse to even answer you further until you actually bother to read my sources.
Valyn66 6 days ago
IF THERE WERE NO FUCKING PLANES WHY WERE THE PASSENGERS FAMILIES SO DEVESTATED THAT THEY WERE ON THE FLIGHTS AND WEREMISSING STILL MISSING NOW YA FUCKING DOUCHE BAGS
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TheServiceWeb 5 months ago
every time I watch a video of the plane hitting, I get sick inside. God bless all the innocent souls lost in these horrible attacks, and God bless the police men and firefighters that lost thier lives trying to save them... RIP....you won't be forgotten.
songsongsongsongx4 5 months ago 8
The people talking on the news dont sound shocked or scared or surprised that much at all when they see another plane hit the other building? What the hell, I was 8 when this happened and I remember being more shocked than them.
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xGH3x 5 months ago
you conspiracy theory people are so ignorant and retarded. facts show u dummies are more readily to believe ANY conspiracy theory about anything.. look it up. then atfterwards look up the fucking scientific facts about the attacks and how loose change was created as a JOKE at first an in attempt to make money
jtskrilla21 5 months ago
They don't sound too bothered, do they? :/
PooKneader 6 months ago
"there is no plane...i saw just an explotion..." :o
EvilKnievel1980 6 months ago
@EvilKnievel1980 Of course, that confirms it. It was all an inside job. Because there is absolutely NO chance he was viewing from the side of the building opposite from where the plane struck, or was simply not looking for a moment.
LihAniaih 5 months ago
i just watched about 50 911 videos and not one shows clearly a united airlines plane hitting the building, its either blurry, edited or something is in the way. hmmmmmmmm
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It is insane.. how this video,
which is the most complete video
in real time from the attacks.. has
virtually no views.. There is a facebook
page, blog, and website.. along with
five main YouTube channels with trailers:
'Tuesday Morning in September'
TuesdayMorningInSept 9 months ago
in my opinion abc did the best job covering this...
carlose0318 9 months ago
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When America nuked the two Japanese cities they killed 140,000+ innocent people. Another 2 million died in the next 5 years. They have bombed civilians of
Chile in 1973, and killed 50,000
Vietnam war and killed millions
N. Korea and killed millions
Libya in 1987 and killed 15,000
Iraq and have killed over? a million
Afghanistan and have killed 300,000
They disregard human life for victory.
Yet their acts are not terrorism?
Almightyfull 9 months ago
did anyone notice that it looks like the nose of the plane makes it all the way through the building before the large fireball. it looks totally unscathed. come on people we have the technology to analyze these videos at every angle. where are all those av nerds from highschool. did anyone else see what i just saw?
Ferrobbra 9 months ago
@Ferrobbra There is a scientist's animation/Reconstruction of this impact on YT , Which illustrates the plane destroyed almost as soon as it enters .... ..Yet, In REAL LIFE it just glides through it , Like a knife through butter ..I TOO FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE ... abc news live coverage *edt ...That should stand for *EDIT , Fakery on the news ... Who would have thought eh ?
edshot87 9 months ago
@edshot87 a ha, so the whole thing is now CGI and it didnt actually happen? jesus if you guys could at least form a few, consistent, plausible arguaments then maybe ppl might start to listen! but ok lets assume, yes, a plane made from light sheet aluminium would crumple into a mess on impact, but it doesnt,so where does that leave us?the plane was made of steel?the facade had been modified with a softer material?how the fuck does that prove anything?why is that relevant?
neilus 8 months ago
@neilus #LOL .... ok , I said it was edited , Meaning the plane has been added to the footage . The building did go bang just not from a 767 ....and before you say missiles and shit ..i think it was explosives planted in the building , not a missile or lasers or what ever the fuck you have been reading ...go learn about money and war and how they work ....
edshot87 8 months ago
No planes hit the WTC towers.
MockEmpire 10 months ago
@MockEmpire I'm with you! I can do that in Premier and if you look close, you can see the plan come out real quick then vanish. Not possible.
ForDoverUSA 10 months ago
@ForDoverUSA my god, one who's mind is not addled by the poisons of media and popular opinion! perhaps there is hope!
MockEmpire 10 months ago
@MockEmpire Is that a compliment?
ForDoverUSA 10 months ago
@ForDoverUSA haha yea
MockEmpire 10 months ago
@MockEmpire What is that a 0:22 then?
And what were the THOUSANDS of people looking up at the WTC in the streets of Lower Manhattan seeing?
What about the eye witness account of Stanley Praimnath who survived the United 175 impact when the plane's wing sliced through his office?
Where are 56 People on United 175?
How did a plane fuselage end up on the roof of WTC5?
No Plane Theory is the most DISGUSTING 9/11 Theory ever thought up
AccessDenied55 5 months ago
@AccessDenied55 ... stop fighting about planes or not, thats what the neocons and israel plotted, bickering amongst the obvious no muslim terrorists did this ... the towers were turned to dust, period, fire doesnt do that
pt1gard 3 months ago
@AccessDenied55 Hey ty! If not for you I wouldn't have gone looking for new evidence. Pretty awesome hey how that plane collision threw building struts so far. Try this experiment. Built a tower out of spaghetti noodles and glue it all together, then glue it to something solid. Let it harden. Then fire a paper clip at it and tell me how much damage it does.
nekopheliac 2 weeks ago
@AccessDenied55 Oh yeah make that clip out of aluminum foil you fold up into that shape. :D have fun with that. Use a rubber band to give it velocity.
Honestly that picture or series of pictures tells so much. Glad I took h.s. physics.
It may have been a plane, but they had to either load that with a payload or have set charges to get that much ejection.
nekopheliac 2 weeks ago
@nekopheliac Riiiight. Because apparently in your extensive experience with "h.s. physics" nobody taught you the basic equation for calculating force. I'm not a high school physics teacher (thank God) so I'm not going to spoon feed you the equations.
But, tell me, do you REALLY think it's reasonable to compare a 255,000lb jet traveling at over 500 mph with about 10,000 gallons of jet fuel to a paper clip shot from a rubber band?
Your head is in a seriously dark and stinky place.
Valyn66 1 week ago
@Valyn66 And you sir are apparently a liar. Why don't you try a comparative force analysis? You know, weight vs tensile strength, vs velocity and momentum. That 10,000 gallons you speak off...is that at take off? That 10,000 gallons, you mean the stuff that all went orange upon impact, yeah that got spent in the blast. You mean the HS physics which tells us all the melting point of materials? How about ejected velocities? How does one over come gravity? Outward forces caused by what?
nekopheliac 1 week ago
Yes. Those same HS physics. All of which confirm the NIST accounts.
Every single one of your little contentions is based on the assumption of exclusion. You conspiracy theorists draw around the truth like a child drawing around their hand. First it was "oh, jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough!!" Then when it was PROVEN that jet fuel, combined with the various materials of burning office supplies, could easily reach upwards of 1800 degrees, you guys invented "nanothermite.
Bogus.
Valyn66 1 week ago
@Valyn66 1800 hey? Still 700 shy of melting steel. Even if you could imagine that for the first time in recorded history, even in the same year, that an office building (let alone one built to withstand a jet impact) was brought down or even significantly damaged by a long burning fire. Why don't you take 5 minutes and research how many large office fires there have been, even with built-in fuel back-ups igniting, that have raged for many more hours and had squat happen to the frames.
nekopheliac 1 week ago
@nekopheliac No one said the steel had to melt. There's a simple little property of metallurgy whereby alloys like steel, for instance, loser 50% of their load-bearing strength at 60% of their melting point. Again, simple science seems to elude you conspiracy theorists. It would have taken you about 1 minute on Google to look this up.
Valyn66 1 week ago
@Valyn66 Yes we are aware of the steel weakening NIST demo. I've seen their video. Where is the resistance in the actual event? Where is the slow expected collapse we'd then expect from the burning levels (even if there is no evidence in HISTORY of this ever happening even recently). Again and this is the point that always kills me; you always ignore the lower floors. As if they have no supporting strength themselves. The weight of something burning is not more than when it was not.
nekopheliac 6 days ago
@nekopheliac When was the last time a high rise structure had been hit by a 255,000lb jet traveling at over 500mph and carrying about 12,000 gallons of jet fuel, prior to 9/11?
I'll wait
Valyn66 6 days ago
@nekopheliac Do you have any idea how much force those lower floors were hit with? 800 feet of the trade tower hits one floor...what do you think happens? What resistance is expected?
Valyn66 6 days ago
@nekopheliac P.S. - In the future, how about you wait until I'm finished posting the block of evidence YOU asked for before interrupting and calling me a "schill."
Typical Truther.
Valyn66 6 days ago
@Valyn66 Maybe you can explain the near lack of resistance while the buildings are falling. If the buildings pancaked then how come they didn't get progressively slower as they descended? What about building WTC7? I guess you are with Joe Lieberman that the building never existed? Why did Silverstein ask the fire fighters to 'Pull' it? How was it that they were able to rig it in a couple hours when it was too bad for them to go inside (according to Silverstein). Start with WTC7.
peace,
nekopheliac 1 week ago
"It had very heavy fire on many floors and I ordered the evacuation of an area sufficient around to protect our members, so we had to give up some rescue operations that were going on at the time and back the people away far enough so that if 7 World Trade did collapse, we [wouldn't] lose any more people."
Direct quote from one of the fireman at the scene of the trade towers. WTC 7 was structurally unsound with a MASSIVE hole in one side of it.
That's why it collapsed.
Valyn66 1 week ago
@Valyn66 The hole was not massive. It was tiny relative to the overall size of the building. Though it was there, and it did have damage. Point two. An office fire or any other kind of fire including arson has never taken down a steel frame building. WTC7 was a 47 storied enormous building. The building fell for a good portion of its descent at free fall (0 res) into its own footprint and not towards the hole.
nekopheliac 6 days ago
@Valyn66 Apparently you either never read the NIST report or you you never studied their demolition CG of WTC7 collapsing, likely both. You know how easy it is to run a simulation like that as many times as you like and then show the public the one that is the closest match for the event? I bet if they told you there were five lights you'd believe them without trying to count for yourself. Who's paying you to counter my assertions anyways? What do you have to gain from your arguments?
nekopheliac 1 week ago
@nekopheliac Truth is what I have to gain from my arguments. You're spreading bad information based on worse science and pawning it off as unveiling some evil super-conspiracy that killed thousands of people.
Some basic questions: Explain the millions of eyewitnesses in New York who witnessed the second plan impact.
Explain the location of all the crews and passengers of the "imaginary" flights.
Explain the overwhelming number of experts who have refuted your view.
Valyn66 1 week ago
@Valyn66 First of all, posting comments on this video is in no way an indication of my personal beliefs about what happened. So try arguing from that standpoint. Secondly I don't have to explain anything to you.
nekopheliac 1 week ago
@nekopheliac Oh and one final thing. I find it hilarious that you advise me to look at history and "see the patterns" you claim to have seen which, when visualized, magically illuminate all truth in the world.
How about you take a few minutes to study the historical effectiveness of democratic governments in keeping even minor scandals secret. The president can't even get a blowjob in the Oval Office without the whole world finding out, and you think something like THIS wouldn't.
Valyn66 1 week ago
@Valyn66 BJ in the oval office was a distraction. Of course it was front page in-your-face for as long as they could milk it. If you really cared about people you'd know what atrocities that charade was hiding. You'd question why that story had more 'head'-lines than Bosnia or Iraq, or Somalia, or Myanmar, or the financial troubles looming. Get your facts straight and try to actually look at the world. All you do is spin and regurgitate.
peace,
nekopheliac 1 week ago
@nekopheliac Oh I see. So even the Lewinksy scandal which very nearly cost Clinton his job was all a smoke screen for more evil empire activities. You should take this crap to the comedy circuit.
Valyn66 1 week ago
@Valyn66 Actually that would be perfect for that channel since I just repeated what George Carlin already said on national TV. REAL TIME. Get a clue.
nekopheliac 1 week ago
@Valyn66 Not to mention so far you have not given a single distinct rebuttal for any of my assertions. You have failed to answer any of my questions. You just say "look at nist, nana nana boo boo" "Check out this ONE web page debunking you idiots! you must be wrong." Do you actually know how to debate, or are you just filling text fields to make it seem like there is a legitimate argument to be had over these subjects?
nekopheliac 1 week ago
@nekopheliac ONE webpage is not the same thing as one source you colossal mental reject. This is ridiculous. The website is merely a consolidated source of the MOUNTAIN of independent sources all of which reject your claims. I have DIRECTLY refuted everything you've said and your one and only defense is "Oh, that site...like, totally illegit, bro."
Come on. Please tell me you're having a laugh and don't actually consider yourself a talented debater?
Valyn66 1 week ago
@nekopheliac As I said: refute the arguments on that site (supported at the bottom of each page by multiple independent sources, with links) or admit you can't and sulk away like the wannabe "truth seeker" you know you are.
Valyn66 1 week ago
@Valyn66 Why don't we refute them here out in the open? You put up your damning evidence and let the people decide who they believe.
nekopheliac 1 week ago
@nekopheliac Sigh. Just sigh. Okay, then. As you wish.
You go ahead and let fly with your best. I mean your best, golden, unassailable arguments proving a government involvement in the terrorist attacks on 9/11 and I will laboriously copy/paste about a dozen 500 character posts refuting your pseudo-scientific bullshit.
Sigh. Go on, then. Do your worst, you Truther piece of moronic shit.
Valyn66 1 week ago
@Valyn66 Again you presuppose my beliefs. You are not paying attention to what has been said. Please play by the rules of debate. So far you have not made any assertions, and you still refuse to counter any of mine. You seem to be stuck on repeat with nothing really to say other than to keep repeating that I am a moron.
Just copy paste for us all to see something explaining WTC7. Start there tough guy.
nekopheliac 1 week ago
@nekopheliac Whoa whoa. I need to "play by the rules of debate?" This from the guy who dismissed an entire site full of counter-arguments and sources, consolidated into one comprehensive rebuttal, as "Not legit." Oh come now. Whoever taught you "debate" really had no business even trying to use the word in a sentence.
What assertions do I need to make? My assertion is that 9/11 was a terrorist attack involving 11 hijackers funded by Al-Qaeda. Prove me wrong. Burden is on you.
Valyn66 6 days ago
@Valyn66 11 hey? Let's all assume that was some massive brain fart and you meant 19 hijackers and many more supporting figures, some well known, some not. I'm sure that's what you meant. You're not even good at this trolling thing. You see for me this is fun. You are just a fool or a schill.
Your assertion is too broad. Try to narrow it to one detail. Here's an example: witnesses on the ground and reporters on TV and radio heard explosions all through the day coming from the buildings.
nekopheliac 6 days ago
@nekopheliac Oh this is a lovely comment. 11 was a typo and I simplified the contention. Do you even know what a troll is, you moron? Trolls don't make arguments and cite sources.
Valyn66 6 days ago
@Valyn66 notice too how you say an 'entire site'. You know how many 'entire sites' their are pointing to all the obvious flaws in the official story? You do realize they too link to their sources? You can't be so stupid, you must be an actor.
nekopheliac 6 days ago
@nekopheliac Hahaha. Would it really be better if instead of linking that cite to you I just flooded these comments with links to all the sources it's supported by? They're at the bottom of every page you might notice. All there. Dozens per argument.
That I don't feel like trying to cram a mountain of contradictory evidence into 500 character chunks doesn't speak to the legitimacy of my arguments. It speaks to your own fear to confront the truth when it slaps you in the face.
Valyn66 1 week ago
@Valyn66 Lol, you said it perfect mate. "a mountain of contradictory evidence".
Cheers for that.
nekopheliac 1 week ago
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@nekopheliac Hahaha. Would it really be better if instead of linking that cite to you I just flooded these comments with links to all the sources it's supported by? They're at the bottom of every page you might notice. All there. Dozens per argument.
That I don't feel like trying to cram a mountain of contradictory evidence into 500 character chunks doesn't speak to the legitimacy of my arguments. It speaks to your own fear to confront the truth when it slaps you in the face.
Valyn66 1 week ago
@Valyn66 pretty sure you yourself marked this as spam to hide your idiotic statement made herein.
nekopheliac 6 days ago
@Valyn66 When the massive explosions took place that ejected all the plane and building material the crash was hours old. Where did the force come from to blow the top of the 'pancake' stack? How did it get so much force to blow everything outward? That force came after the impact. Did that office furniture contain explosive material that after being on fire for a couple hours decide to just blow up taking out two of the most robust constructions on the planet?
peace,
nekopheliac 1 week ago
@MockEmpire That would be news to several million eyewitnesses in New York. The whole city was in on the conspiracy, was it? People watching friends and colleagues die...and yet they all uniformly lie about watching the plane impact with their own eyes.
You people are hilarious.
Valyn66 6 days ago
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i wish some of the people would have run out on fire. this was a good day and i had fun watching the death. the people who died i laugh at all the time. when i woke up and saw what was going on i ran around the house shouting im glad for the death. it was very electrifying to see people jump to there death. i had a good day and wish more would happen
bendmystep 11 months ago
@bendmystep if you feel that why, what would people think about you if you were in that moment. people would feel bad for you but if you said that to them they would not feel so bad because you thought that way. so becarful what you say beacuase right now your comment is flagged by spam.
Sparkleproductions27 5 months ago
OMG - 9 1/2 years have passed and my heart skipped a beat when I saw the second plane...
jesuisunique1 1 year ago
I still remember, I was on my room in the hospital (to fix the scars in my face from a dog attack) and the doctor came in and told me to put it on vtm (a belgian television channel) because there was something wrong going on...
WaccoCapozzi 1 year ago
Oh my God. It made my heart leap when they actually caught the plane flying into the second tower.
hellogoodbyemyluv 1 year ago
I cant believe its going 10 yrs since 9/11 happened.
crisis101able 1 year ago
jw is right
guywithmac 1 year ago
@jww312 he was on the other side and didn't see the plane that came in the from the other side.
funnyfun164 1 year ago
I remember waking up that day, turning TV on and seeing that shocking imago. OMG, that was sooooo impressing and sad, death to terrorists!!
magico008 1 year ago
why did that guy say he didn't see a plane hit.? could this be a hologram? or cg
jww312 1 year ago
Ah who gives a crap, no big deal, just rebuild it and make it bigger and a bit stronger. People make so much of a big deal of Sept. 11. Whatever, it's just another date that will be lost in history. Remember the date of the Bhopal Disaster? Didn't think so. Many more people died in that disaster then in Sept. 11.
HelloHansSolo 1 year ago
to hell with these idiotic conspiracy theories. Leave our country if you honestly believe 9/11 was planned by the gov't.
EagleLC21 1 year ago
Every September I re-watch old footage of the terrorist attacks, and it never ceases to astound me.
Tehui1974 1 year ago
@Tehui1974 same here
themavsfan1992 1 year ago
wow that broadcaster had such an inhumane reaction like he was broadcasting an event, everyone else: OMG OMG OMG, Charles: that looks like a second plane
EpicOwnage1212 1 year ago 2
Do you conspiracy theorists have nothing else to do? Go drink a beer, meet a girl (or a boy) and get laid. You need it.
RIP all victims of this horrifying tragedy.
Rupsteroni 1 year ago
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ATLB505 1 year ago
inside job
lebronsmyboy6 1 year ago
Here, I assumed it was a plane flying around--how stupid I was! My husband was so shocked, he didn't do much of anything on that day. Nobody did.
IreneeN1 1 year ago
@Steelerguy6178 Ha, you're so thick. So these 300 people on the plane only had one friend each? What an idiot.
ytcf71 1 year ago
9/11 was Ws fault.....Pearl Harbor was Ws fault.....the oil leak in the Gulf was Ws fault......the Northridge Quake was Ws fault.......Hurricanes Katrina and Andrew were Ws fault.......WWI and WWII were Ws fault.......the Kennedy Assassination was Ws fault.......the meteor in Siberia was Ws fault..........Lincoln's death was Ws fault........starvation in Somalia was Ws fault......the great Chicago fire was Ws fault......the 1906 SF quake was Ws fault......The Haiti quake was Ws fault.........
BowlingTeacher 1 year ago
@BowlingTeacher WE ALL KNOW.....what W was responsible for! Too bad you don't want to face REALITY!
QueensLadyDay 1 year ago
Funny how the reporter on the scene doesn't notice a plane but the people watching it on televison do.
funkyflea89 1 year ago
Everybody: OMG! OMG!
Charles: That looks like a second plane.
36zvxb 1 year ago
Listen to that dildo describe the crash like a play by play,,,,, liberal ;charles fukhead
rvhawkeye 1 year ago
@rvhawkeye
Thats his job, deal with it
CheeseyVagina 1 year ago
hahahahahahahahahahaaa haa ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha to bad for them
neXX217 1 year ago
@neXX217 Seriously? 2,976 people died needlessly and all you can do is laugh at them? Shame on you, shame on you
MyRaptorJesus 1 year ago
@MyRaptorJesus awwe well to bad for them and fuck you honeslty who says shame one you what are you 67 or something fuck off i wish you had have been in that plane that would make the world so much better.
neXX217 1 year ago
@neXX217 What are you, 10? Go suck your dad's dick some more
MyRaptorJesus 1 year ago
@MyRaptorJesus ooooo good one go suck your dads dick i havent heard that one before.your a stupid fuck and you should learn how to chirp some one and dont tell some one to suck their dads dick cause that fucking lame and if you said that to me in person i would fuck you up after i was done luaghing at you for not knowing how to chirp people so why dont you fuck off
neXX217 1 year ago
TOWER GOT OWNED!!!
graeme1478 1 year ago
@graeme1478 are you this immature? Eat shit and die
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theseeker2k5 1 year ago
It's over 9 years ago, but I still get goosebumps watching this...
MrMeter 1 year ago 48
@MrMeter i shake actually shake
StepsFan4Life 5 months ago
Sadly event really =( ...
maldbai 1 year ago
Highway420Music 1 year ago
There's a difference between being brainwashed by society and being LOGICAL. You weirdos are just bored with life and want to find something to analyze.
jaymckervey101 1 year ago
there was no plane
daveh441 2 years ago
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j679g 2 years ago
Terrorism or not, it was still scary. and if the us did do it, then that makes it even scarier. :\
AutumnsAddiction 2 years ago
why would peter jennings say a concerted effort to attack. wouldnt that have to be confirmed before he said somthing like that. thats eary. you know that the media news stations are ran by the secret society.
mcreativemc 2 years ago
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townsjim 2 years ago 16
who are you? u probably will be one of the human cattle in the future. People who dont think above the norm are people like you...the ones who let someone else think for them.. easier that way huh
mcreativemc 2 years ago
@townsjim lol yeah for small penises
XxCYOYanks11xX 2 years ago
Best descirption of a "truther" I have ever heard !!!!!!
watersong111 1 year ago
@townsjim That is whats wrong with people like you. You have to have hard evidence. You have to be told by a news broadcast or informed by someone "important" that its true. After seeing NBC's live shot of the second impact and seeing this one its blatant and obvious that this plane in this video is FAKE.
XMrCXify 1 year ago
@XMrCXify So millions of New Yorkers who watched this impact with their own fucking eyes are all part of some government conspiracy? The only thing blatant and obvious, here, is that something is seriously wrong your critical thinking abilities.
This whole "9/11 Conspiracy" nonsense has been refuted, over and over, by anyone who matters in the fields of both civil and aeronautical engineering for over a DECADE now.
What the Hell is wrong with you? You just wish it were a conspiracy
Valyn66 1 week ago
@townsjim Son, we have plenty of hard evidence. It's people like you who don't want to understand what actually happened. Ever wonder why they won't reopen the investigation? They're scared.
Tuvano 1 year ago
@townsjim Haha what an flawed argument.
Bullshit, people like you will believe anything. Things like "TV isnt harming my children" "Obama has only good intentions" and "JFK was shot from the back". Pro government individualls are scared people who have small penises and NEVER have any hard evidence."
Point being, prove me wrong! Research independent information, not provided by the government, other wise that would be like letting a murderer present all the key evidence of his choise. KTHXBYE.
bauchii 1 year ago
@townsjim ; shut your fucking hole !!!! where you there that day??? die you white cocksucker!!!!!!!!!!!!!
jasmine2kenya 1 year ago
@townsjim that is the most awesome shit i've ever read all night
bumwrecker27 1 year ago
Fuck ronnie reagan's rotted corpse! It's getting dusty in here...NOT!
sgtsnafu 2 years ago
you are thick as fuck the plane is clear to see, it IS the second plane, the coverage does not show the first one that has already caused that big hole in the first building you fucking stupid redneck.
Everestlad 2 years ago 21
*around
trulyyyloved 2 years ago
"i did not see a plane go in...." 0:30. arund those seconds he say's it repeatedly. the reporter keeps pushing it, saying "I just saw another plane coming in from the side."
fucken bullshit.
trulyyyloved 2 years ago
"That looks like a second plane..." ...REALLY, GUY?!
nickremag 2 years ago
The reporter might have not been able to see the plane, but he sure as would have herd the fuker. But if a missile hit it, this would have been travelling faster than sound the missile noise would have arrived later and would have be covered up by the explosion at close range.
TheOneworldonepeople 2 years ago 3
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fucking paki terrorists whyd we let em in country!
z0neofownz 2 years ago
we letd them in this country cause their own people, aka the terroist groups were killing their own nation cause they didnt do what they wanted everyone to obey.
so its the terroists you have to blame, not the outlanders themselves.
but the assholes that kills outlanders, and people from other countries, aka as they did in the trade towers.
TheRStard 2 years ago
Esta perseguição de PSEUDO-FASCISTAS sobre os americanos se assemelha a perseguição de Hitler contra os judeus e ciganos. Absolutamente desumano!!! Me choca ver os muçulmanos vibrarem com o anti-catarmos. =(((((((((((
Triste fim, da humanidade que se orgulha de grandes conquistas como a evolução tecnológica, cultura e entre outros.
GuiMaiden1990 2 years ago
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Flight11 and Flight175 could NOT fly at cruise speed at sea-level.
Don´t let debunkers ever brush off this argument again.
Please watch and spread.
watch?v=KdjgtBj_HwM
onesliceshort 2 years ago
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krishkebab 2 years ago
Is it me? i can't see the background
DSD1v57BG32 2 years ago
dude anyone who believes in this no fuckin plane bull shit is a joke themselves. a plane hit both of the twin towers, okay. end of discussion. i don't even believe the fairy tale called 9/11 commission report, 90% of it. some of it true, such as these two planes striking the tower. there is extentsive photography, professional and amatuer suggesting this guy in the vid got his shit wrong.
hash626 2 years ago 3
"That looks like a 2nd plane" ... no shit
dje81 2 years ago
who gives a fuck who caused it?!?!?!?!?!
PEOPLE DIED. And you're worrying about supporting bush ro obama?! are you kidding me?! we should eb worrying about terrorism, not fucking obama or bush,
abbeyATROPHY 2 years ago
ahahaha people beilve it was "Terrorist " Lets go kick some terrorism ass:P Just say 5000 people died because of terrorism ... So We point fingers go to the middle of no where spend trillions of dollars on it ... and yet only 100 million dollars are funded for peanut allergies and more then thousands of people die for it why not find a cure ?
txtmsgcodes 2 years ago
@txtmsgcodes Cos its cheaper just to tell people not to eat peanuts, and a peanut isnt going to creep up behind you and blow your ass up..
ytcf71 1 year ago
sheeeeeeeeeeple.
OBAAAAAAAAAAAMA.
infinitefuture1 2 years ago
Wake Up! Inside job....wait....you fools still support Bush. Stay asleep ya dumb fucks.
imfree73 2 years ago
Whether we think this was inside-job on not we are all attracted to this because it was such a defining moment in our history..
TheTodd1977 2 years ago
thank you Bush for kicking some muslim asssss
xXDannyGeraldoXx 2 years ago
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Thank U G.W Bush....Ass Hole!!
diegometallicayoris 2 years ago
F you! This is NOT George Bush's fault. FBi intelligence came to Bill Clinton and Al Gore between 1998 and 2000 that there was a chance of attack on US soil and Osama Bin Laden was planning somthing. IT IS NOT GEORGE BUSH'S FAULT!
bskcl 2 years ago 3
The man who planned it is in Guatamelo bay jail as we speak, get your fax right.
bcoakes97 2 years ago
thank you! jeez all those stupid fucks who think it was an inside job and it was bush's fault. fuck them
StoopidFan8 2 years ago
So dumb dumb why did Bush ignore it? Because he decided to use it to his advantage and tell Bin Laden that he would carry it out with US people and blame Hussain. Remember Bin Laden Family was flown out of the US the next day when all planes where grounded hmmmmmm
noel55 2 years ago
your completly right look i dont support bush but he did not know of this
lechienman 2 years ago 3
@bskcl Do you know that Obama Binladen = Tim Osama... <-- And hes an CIA Agent. ROFL
gamestory13 1 year ago
my God you people are retarded
MG42pillbox 2 years ago
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This 45-second clip justifies all the torturing that happened in Gitmo.
KentuckyFriedGunman 2 years ago
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fuck you
theoneali 2 years ago
It's disturbing. But god forbid we bring the perpetrators to justice. We need to give genocidal maniacs the rights they deserve.
KentuckyFriedGunman 2 years ago 3
why thumb down this guy? they (al qaeda) murdered over 3000 people of multiple beliefs and nationalities.
carl7ritchie 2 years ago
Now we pay $3.00 for a gallon of gas! Gosh, if the rest of us would have known ahead of time, huh?
troylustig 2 years ago
"That looks like a second plane"- Charlie Gibson. Um...no shit, Sherlock! Too bad Sarah wasn't there as co-host: "In what respect, Char-lee?"
dearyogini 2 years ago
This was the live video feed that I was watching on the morning of 9/11. That is unmistakably a plane striking the tower. The STORY here was the north tower on fire. Why would they put cameras showing the south tower or where the south tower would obscure the north tower? They wouldn't have and didn't.
There are dozens upon dozens of corroborating amateur videos available of the second plane hit. Anyone that has any doubt as to the FACT that a plane hit the towers is simply nuts.
diskpanic 2 years ago 2