Together For Life 2007

[GodIsReal101]

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[injurylawyers]

It was one of the most touching things I have ever seen. I was totally blown away at the truths of those poor children who will never breath oxygen of God outside mother.

[adamdouglasnoel]

Way to go Bro. Mike! This is the truth. Thank the Lord from someone willing to speak this.

[injurylawyers]

Just because I am a lawyer doesn't mean I don't cry inside for what is clearly the unabashed murder of an unborn child. I live in shame eternal for this sin.

Our founding fathers turn in their graves.

Semper Fidelis. Michael Ehline.

[TinnyLinda]

This is very touching.

Loved it.

[TinnyLinda]

when was this?

will there be another this year?

i wanna know where I can get info on that.

thanks

[stevenbowmanlotr]

their's one on January 22 of every year.

[FetnerVideos]

Im proud to be in this video, along with my friends, including the one in one of my videos, and my brother, who is also in some of my videos.

[theonly13]

Good video! You did a really good job!

[Emirichan317]

I'll be there.

A friend of mine said this and I agree: A country that wages war against innocent babies is evil. We can't let this keep happening.

[chinisup]

Excellent video....I will be there this year for sure!

[guitarplayah83]

What would you say if I suggested that we kill all the unwanted, screwed up toddlers in the country today. I mean, then they wouldn't cause problems later, right? And if so, why not kill all the unwanted teens that are ALREADY causing problems? I think both of us would agree that it would be wrong to do this. Therefore, I would conclude that we shouldn't kill unborn babies just because they may or may not grow up and cause problems.

[ComradePerson]

I would suggest canibalism. But, being serious now. I would advocate making abortion illegal (or make an extreme reform to it) when all of our other problems are fixed. Iraq, economy, corrupt politicans, animal cruelty, inequality, environment, and all of our other are just a few examples. But think about this, people cause these problems, would it hurt to have less people?

[guitarplayah83]

Yes, people cause all kinds of problems, however, is our best response to start killing people that may cause problems later? I think we can do better than that.

[ComradePerson]

And that is true, but again abortion is the least of our problems.

[guitarplayah83]

You think protecting the environment is more important than protecting people?

[guitarplayah83]

Once again, this "blob" IS breathing. The unborn do in fact breathe long before birth, but through the umbilical cord rather than the nostrils. At birth, only the mode of breathing changes, like switching from AC current to DC current. The heart is beating by 18-22 days after fertilization, and the earliest abortions take place at 5 weeks. So you never have an abortion on a "blob" that isn't breathing with a non-beating heart. That's just Biology 101.

[ComradePerson]

Well, the last time I took sex-ed/biology, the unborn don't breathe, but their nose and mouth are plugged. And it gets its life support from another organism (e.g. parasite). Sure you can have an abortion before five weeks. But if you can't survive on your own, you a part of the whole.

[guitarplayah83]

Again, biologists have proven that the unborn do breathe, albeit without using the nose. Tell me, what kind of abortion can you have before 5 weeks gestation? Why do you think that your degree of dependency classifies whether you are your own entity or not? If it does, than it should be legal to kill newborn babies, that are still 100% dependant on her parents. Is a newborn part of her mother's body?

[ComradePerson]

The parasite is different from the host, but is just that, a parasite. I do not know when one can have an abortion, I really don't, though I thought a woman could have one anytime during the pregnancy (I am opposed to LATE TERM abortions).

[ComradePerson]

It is separate but the womb depends on its survival. If the baby was premature, it wouldn't survive long without help. A ready to be born baby would survive. The moment it passes through that vagina, it ceases to be an internal parasite but is more able to survive on its own, but still not likely.

[guitarplayah83]

You're actually conceding my point. Your definition of valuable human life is degree of dependency, which is not there after birth. I don't think it should be legal to kill newborn babies, just because they are dependent on their parents. Teenagers are somewhat dependent on their parents; are they less valuable then me, an independent married person?

[guitarplayah83]

I am glad we agree on late term abortions. According to the leading abortionist, Warren Hern, the earliest abortions take place at 5 weeks. (earlier then that, the fetus is too small and the procedure would be too risky for the woman.)

[ComradePerson]

Also, if this goes through, what next? Can't masturbate because that sperm could have become another person. Have to make sure women don't have their period because that is one more egg that could become a human, but no that is going to far.

I agree, abortion is a crappy form of birth control, but it is a form of birth control, for unprepared to be mothers.

Also, quit using religion, it makes other Christians look bad.

[guitarplayah83]

Isn't there a difference between the babies being aborted and sperm/eggs? It seems to me that this objection confuses parts with wholes. Unlike bodily cells and sperm/egg cells, which are merely part of a larger human organism, the human embryo is already a distinct whole and self-integrating human being. It is not merely part of another organism, not at all! In fact it is not a part of any organism. It is its own distinct entity.

[ComradePerson]

Yes there is, but not by many legal definitions. The egg is still part of the woman, so is the united sperm/egg, only partially. A egg/sperm is a part of the whole human. Example, is food separate from the human, or part of the human?

[guitarplayah83]

What legal definition are you referring to, that says that an unborn baby is part of the woman? You asked if food is separate from the human, or part of the human. I would answer yes, food IS separate from the human. In other words, you are NOT what you eat. It seems to me your argument proves MY point, doesn't it?

[ComradePerson]

Excuse me, I was referring (when mentioned "Yes there is, but not by many legal definitions") to egg/sperm , I was reading a news article that Colorado has just passed a law saying a egg/sperm is human life. Well if it is, get me for murder!

[ComradePerson]

Food was a bad example, it does not feed off of its host, it is the other way around. But Say you ate a cold hot dog, and it had a tape worm in it, the tape worm is a parasite, feeding off its host with no benefits to it. You want ti gone, but wait, you can't get rid of it because of strict abortion/expelling life from your body laws. What do you do? Hrm...

[guitarplayah83]

The first difference here being that the tapeworm is a different species, so it literally is a parasite, as opposed to a human baby in it's natural environment. The second difference being that there's a huge difference between getting a parasite accidentally, and having sex that can result in a child. Imagine someone pushing a button on a "baby-making" machine that results in pleasure. Are you suggesting the person pushing the button has no responsibility toward that child?

[guitarplayah83]

I don't believe Colorado has passed any such law. They are currently trying to pass an amendment to their state constitution that would recognize human embryos as persons protected under the law. This would have nothing to do with sperm/eggs having rights. I don't know anyone that actually things that. (and if anyone does, they'll have a hard time arguing intelligently for their position.)

[ComradePerson]

Well...It is a woman's body. If A person uses safe sex methods and gets pregnant, she should be able to get an abortion. But if some twat gets pregnant, she SHOULD get an abortion. Because think about this, if a person gets pregnant unexpectedly, and does not want to have the kid but is forced to because this right for a blob, who isn't even breathing, heart which is possibly not beating. That is one more unloved, or soon to be fucked up kid who will cause problems later.

[guitarplayah83]

Technically speaking, the unborn baby is INSIDE the woman's body, but it's not a PART of the woman's body. If the baby was a part of the woman's body, it seems to me that it would logically follow that for 9 months while a woman is pregnant, she has 4 eyes, 2 noses, 20 fingers, and half the time, working male genitalia. I mean, is a test-tube baby ever a "part of the petri dish?" Hence, we know conclusively that the unborn child is not part of its mothers body.

[ComradePerson]

Well, where else would it be? The big toe? Sure, it may not be part of the woman, but think about this, if something is feeding off of your body, and you don't want it, should you be forced to have it? Tumors are separate organisms feeding off of its host, so is bacteria, so is a worm. So would it make the unwanted baby a parasite? So the fact that the parasite matches some physical characteristics makes it batter than others, even though it is the same thing.

[guitarplayah83]

A biological parasite must be of a different species than its host. Therefore, a human fetus is never a parasite to its natural mother. There's another major difference between a fetus and anything we normally identify as a parasite: The woman's body is designed for the specific purpose of "hosting" a fetus. Not to mention, you don't produce your own parasite. You produce your own offspring.

[ComradePerson]

Excuse me, but do you know what biological parasite means?

1 a person who exploits the hospitality of the rich and earns welcome by flattery

2 an organism living in, with, or on another organism in parasitism

3 something that resembles a biological parasite in dependence on something else for existence or support without making a useful or adequate return

It is a parasite if it is unwanted.

Biological just makes it redundant.

[ComradePerson]

Hey, I am not going to lie, I don't know more than basic anatomy, but if you want to keep things natural (saying expelling a parasite is unnatural) lets make homosexuality and most medicines we know of illegal!

[guitarplayah83]

I'm not arguing that abortion is wrong because it's unnatural. That would then lead to the conclusion you rightly pointed out. I argued pregnancy is natural, rebutting your parasite analogy. I think abortion is wrong because we know the baby is alive, because it's growing. We know the baby is human because it has two human parents. (Law of Biogenesis) And I think human beings like me and you are valuable, and ought not be killed without justification.

[guitarplayah83]

I would add to this that in the long sad history of our species, we have discriminated against people because of the color of their skin or their gender. Now we discriminate based on size, level of development, environment and degree of dependency. We've simply exchanged one form of discrimination for another.

[guitarplayah83]

You should have looked up the definition to "parasitism:" an intimate association between organisms of two or more kinds; especially one in which a parasite obtains benefits from a host which it usually injures." Thus, a human fetus cannot be considered a parasite, even though it naturally feeds off it's mother.