If your stupid to believe in what a man tells you to believe in like that the world was formed from a big band and man comes from apes well your stupid because you got to explain for starters how the big bag came about because for some thing to come about it has to be created by someone does not just pop out of noting. It amazing how many people believe in what a man says when that man is not 100% sure himself what he believes. I ask is he 100% sure
Sorry to hear about the tragedy God is not the author of evil He actualized evil when He gave us free will. So He wont stop a drunk driver from killing even a Christian. A drunk driver killed that young lady not God The bible does not give us a" fair" way to deal with evil He gives us something far greater eternity with Him in a world without sin If she is a born again believer those greiving family members being in Christ as well will see her again This is the hope we have in Christ Jesus
here goes another agnostic with a British accent tying to rationalize the sovereignty of God though the finite lens of the human eye and a finite puny brain of which we only use 10%God is infinite you cant put him in a test tube and measure his vitals please dont attempt to translate scripture without the guide of the Spirit of Truth You seem to have the same problem our President has that is you dont know how to read the bible
@auritone the bible is "rooted and grounded in history AND evidence" unlike all the other world religions and fairy tales you like evolutionism you probably believe in. Its not what you or I say thats subjectivity The word of God is not subject to any person in the universe God miraculously preserved his word over time and the bible has stood the test of time
@2black4bet Well, I would have to say that I seriously question the historic "evidence" of a talking snake, a talking, burning bush, the ability to round of two af all animals - not counting all the water animals of course - and build an arc to hold them all, ressurection of the dead, the ability of someone to turn over 800 years of age ect ect ect. But thank you for proving my point about subjectivity. :)
@auritone by historic evidence we mean archeological proof that the people and places recorded in the bible are not made up fantasies like for instance the book of Mormon. There is no archeological evidence that the "land of Mormon" ever existed or evidence of reformed Egyptian hieroglyphics in which are the pillars of the Mormon faith Evolutionism is a religion like all world religions cannot be proven scientifically. Talking snake? lol look up Hebrew IDIOM for me will you lolol
@2black4bet I know what an idiom is! You, however, might want to learn something by looking up EVOLUTION - preferbly something written by actual scientists. Evolutionism is what creationists - people who think the world is 6000 years old and humans walked with dinosaurs - call evolution because they
a) are wilffully ignorant in regard to scientific evidence and method
b) try to make science sound like a secular religion so they outright can dismiss evidence without looking at it!
@2black4bet I realise that - he is refered to as a serpent, not a snake - just like there is no apple.
But, even though the Bible describes things we know existed does NOT make all of it true.
It's actually easy to set a fantasy in a real setting - litterature does it all the time!
Actually, the closest thing we come to a true, historic depiction of the mindset back then is probably in Python's Life of Brian considering the sheer number of Messiah running around at the time....
@auritone serpent or snake is used to symbolize deceitfulness; who is deceiving you ?there is no apple the bible says a fruit doesn't say what kind of fruit. You believe what you wish but I can make a case for the validity of the bible as the infallible word of God. based on archeological and manuscript evidence also predictive prophecy and the fact that it would be statistical impossible that all or even some of the bibles very specific predictions could have been luck or chance
@auritone good point but there are predictions made that could not be colluded like the BIRTHPLACE of Christ LIFE AND DEATH were rendered a 100yrs before they occurred as proven by the dead sea scroll of Isiah and the Septuagint all dating before 100 bc many prophecies would have been impossible for anyone to conspire such as Christs genealogy He also predicted His own death and resurrection (John 2:19-22)
@2black4bet The only thing I see that prove is that someone read those texts.
Of course one could make a story fit into those predictions.
And where do I refer to any lost books of the bible?
Religions older than the bible talk about virgin births, resurrections and floods!
And there have been plenty of people throughout history who have predicted their own deaths. What does that prove? And confirmation of the resurrection makes sense if you were a disciple. Otherwise he wasn't the Messiah-
@auritone very unlikely someone could predict all of these facts:descendant of Abraham Isaac and Jacob (Gen. 12:3; 17:19; Num. 24:21-24); His birth in Bethlehem (Mic. 5:2); His crucifixion with criminals (Isa. 53:12); the piercing of His hands and feet at the crucifixion (Ps. 22:16); the soldiers’ gambling for His clothes (Ps. 22:18); the piercing of His side and the fact that His bones were not broken at His death (Zech. 12:10; Ps. 34:20); and His burial among the rich (Isa. 53:9)
@auritone right so during the so called establishment of Christianity(who is if you dont know one person, Christ) predicted his own birthplace before He was born, He then conspired to have rome crucify him with criminals, then he whispered before he died on the cross in the soldiers ears" hey could you peirce me in the side so it can fulfill OT prophecy!" COME ON MAN you dont believe because you dont want to believe so its not a matter of proof its a matter of will for the skeptic
evidence is there for everyone to see The archeologist will tell you the cities people and places described in the bible are true whether or not you believe Christ rose from the dead does take a little faith but not blind faith THe bible has stood the ultimate test, the test of time unlike any other religion it is etched in human history. Its not a book of made up fables and rules and regulations. It is the word of God not just a religious book. In fact Christianity is not a religion at all
@auritone Christianity is birthed out of Judaism Christ came to "fulfill" the law of Moses(Luke 24:44) the gospel of Jesus Christ “is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile(Romans 1:16) So it doesn't matter what race or creed you belong to you are saved by faith in Christ alone.(Romans 3;19-28) The politics and "power" vain worldly power had more to do with the Roman Catholic church rather than the historic Judaism/Christianity faith.
@2black4bet I will postulate that we would never have seen such a wide spread of christianity if it wasn't for the fact that it got accepted by the ruling classes - especially in early European history. This meant that christianity permeated all aspects of life and the close relationship between rulers and church meant security of political and economical power for both and is the main reason for it's long history and spread throughout the world.
We see the spread of the gospel as the plan of a sovereign God We must also remember Christ words "not everyone who says Lord Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven"(Mat 7:21) So even though there are many that claim to be "Christians" really are not inwardly. They carry the banner of Christianity to further their own political and economic power a la Constantine. What drew me to Christ was not the plethora of evil men using the name of Christ but Christ himself who was w/o sin and blameless
@auritone you make the dogmatic assertion that because something predates something else that makes it TRUE Secondly referring to so called "lost books of the bible " they have the chronology all wrong read the book of acts Those religions actually rivaled Judaism/Christianity instead of predating them the $ensationalist wants you to watch TV have you ever read these "religious texts" the story of Osirus is not even close to the historic account of Christ His body was not cut up in 14 pieces
UR an idiot - the previous video mentions nothing abt saying shootings R God's vengence. U stupid fool - it's all abt the fact that God is not in R hearts, there is no ethical morality taught anymore, period - & therefore man has lost his way & does stupid things. Everything done is at man's hand, not God's, you athiest moron. But it's futile talking to someone who has never felt the love of God in his heart. Don't knock what U haven't tried. If Udon't know what UR talking about,just shut up.
what is your def of good? and just a thought, if we are programmers of a video game world, we are not bound to its laws and definitions; contrary, the video game is bound to the laws and definitions we have set for it, as much as the characters in the game dislikes it. So the grand designer of this universe has set apart how reality will work for us, and we are not ones to say what is best and aside from your own "world", there is the greater good that sets a chain of events you could not see.
i think its time you actually learned about the Bible and God...maybe you should take a few classes. God is not there to do what we as humans have to take responsibility for. He does not give us more than we can handle as people. this is part of the reason why so many believe and trust and have faith in God.
About 1:55 , your definition of evil is wrong. Think about this: What is darkness? Darkness is the abscene of light. This is 100% true. Try creating darkness with light. OK, now think about this: What is evil? Evil is the abscene of good. Evil comes from humans chosing not to do good. Therefore God is both loving, provides us with salvation, but also just, allows are choices to have consequences. All of the shooting were awful things, but they were brought along by our doing.
What a bad thing to say first god is not a guy I mean god is not HUMAN so dont write as if he is. You know of gods plan no one does. I am not a Fanatical christian or anything. But god does work in a mysterious way. You might not think he is there but he is. He will send a blessing when you least expect it. Maybe you dont have faith now but you will find him one day when you least expect but need him most.
Maybe he could just dial it back a notch or fifty thousand? Allowing us to stub our toes on furniture, but not to vaporise cities? Wouldn't that be an idea?
Wow, that's one seriously insecure god. He would let man descend into chaos, just so people would believe in him? Tell me, please, why you find this being so great.
Why do you not? Lucifer did not either and look where he ended up. Just have faith and trust you will see. If you dont believe me now someday you will find the truth. I was like you before to then I hit the bottom and on the bottom the only place to go is to god and faith he was there waiting for me to help me up when I was down but only when I decided I was ready for him. It all goes back to free will to believe.
you believe in a guy that lives up in the clouds and if you clasp your hands and talk to him he will give you what you want. but only if you truly believe him. snd this god sent himself to earth to change the rules that he created.
I dont believe if I clasp my hands god will give me want I want. God helps those who help themselves. That is not living in a fairy tale. Because you are ignorant and filled with anger does not mean god doesnt love you. You just take more work than others like the kids in school who are slower then others they take longer to learn. You might remiedal courses with God.
im not filled with anger. and buddy i went to christian schools all my life. i learned as much as i could. im not angry with god. i simply dont believe in the existence of god. its a bronze aged cult. your religion is no different from all the others. they only cause war and intolerance
God provided humans with free Humans have a choice it is whether they choose to kill someone or not. It is not gods place to decide that is why humans where granted free will. It is up to humans to make the right choice.
ALSO, I would be completely fine with allowing people to bring other religions in to school. I am not saying that everyone should be forced to listen to a pray. BUT straight up outlawing God from the schools is straight up retarded and UN-American. Pull out a dollar bill from your pocket, turn it around and read the writing above the "ONE." it reads "IN GOD WE TRUST." If the entire nation's tender reads that message why has he been kicked from school?
God doesn't kill anyone. He allows the sin in the world to take place. No matter what the world tries to do, God is still in the schools. The point the speaker is making, and you hinted on this but ran away from it, is that the decline of America has led to these things. You cannot tell me that if pray, bible reading, and God were part of every day life that our country would be where it is now. Taking God out of school was the first downfall to our country.
Curious how these jesus-freaks-of-nature consistently get pummelled on YouTube...so they (or God?) created GodTube. I visited GodTube where 'respectful athiest are welcome', I was rewarded with a computer virus for a benign post.
topgun739, so even the people that believe in another god, should believe in your brand....wtf?
Times change and everything, I dont think you are taking that into account. Also, in 1900 there was weird things goin on like, you could have children working in factorys, losing arms and stuff. So, if you are using that time as your defence of why we need god, then why dont you tell all those business that used children as slaves? just a thought.
Also, they are not lost. Your saying since god is not there, they are turning to violence, which is BS. Your uisng school shootings as a cheap way to say we need god.
I love how people say these things still, but never look at the parents. Seems they can raise a kid to about 12, after that, if they are messed up, they had nothing to do with that. Must be the absence of god. Maybe, dont use cheap was of trying to get your brand of faith into schools.
if you want to bring parents into the argument, then thats fine
our parenting has gone to crap in the last few centuries...it seems to be the hippie generation who believed in inner peace along with homosexuality and drug use...that are now the parenting generation
if you believed in God, your fruitful action would to not be homosexual, not use illegal drugs, etc...
The Narrow and Wide Gates 13"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
And I mean that both ways so don't try sarcasm. U can't expect me to believe in SCIENCE over my own belief because of the way were raised and therefore think.
JessiGirlPro, so what your saying is, is you are raised in not taking in evidence....then you wont take it. So I guess you must nto go to school then at all.
oh please. No, I am homeschooled. My parents didn't want me to go to public school for several reasons n if i do go to school it'll b private most likely. But I take in evedence its to complicated to try and explain to you people beleifs in god and such and having to go on here all the time for this is kind of a drag. Just look up stuff for beleifs... What I was saying is I cant expect you guys to see things my way. And people dont thumbs down what I say so much i mean rlly i havnt said notn bad
JessiGirlPro, well it can be a drag, but I think the reason why people try to say what they do is because, many people dont want to take in evidence and would rather be mules to there beliefs, so afriad to look at anything else.
I know it can be hard for people to see things as someone else, but that is true about anyone. I was just saying that you make it sound as if you were brain washed into taking faith, over evidence.
I shoudln't waste my time on you. My friend said "You can't expect the blind to see" which means I shouldnt get mad or waste my time on you because you weren't raised like me, so I shouldnt expect you to think what I think. Also its not my job. One day if my God is tru you'll see for yourself.
Evolution & Big Bang= Preacher science. It cannot be proved, its simply faith in non faith.
Christianity can be proved with logic, though unfortunately, too many people are just believing because they think they have to.
I am a believer, but I put faith first and logic second. But logic is still there.
The idea that a random giant explosion caused the universe and our planet, which somehow maintained life, that turned in to apes which became us, is just as crazy as creationism
Notperfect123- I think you need to take a biology class because every thing you are saying is wrong. Evolution is proven. In science a Theory is made up from multiple facts that can't be disproved. Would you say the theory of gravity is just a theory? The Big bang is harder to explain but the basis is that the universe is expanding away from a center. If you reverse time, there is some point when all the material is collected together. This observation was made in like 1929.
McChicken666- I am in Biology actually. Look at the scientific method. It has to be tested in order to be proven as a fact. That is why creation isn't scientific, and neither is evolution. On the big bang theory, you said if you reverse time you can see the point when all material was collected together. If people could reverse time and see anything, there would be no argument
In my opinion on the subject though, our origins aren't nearly as important as other things that should be studied.
Untill anything can be proven its just a theory, thus, not science.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying its "dumb or stupid"
I'm saying it can hardly be considered true science. Creationism would be just as equally scientific because there is no physical proof. All you can use to "prove" either of those is reason.
I am one of the top in my class for Biology, by the way.
Top of your class? You're posts here all look like weakly veiled creationist claptrap. Maybe thats just me.
Has DNA been mentioned in this "biology" class that you are "one of the top in"? Ignore the millions of fossils by all means, DNA is all the physical evidence we need. If you disagree, could you explain why? This will of course require you to lay out the compelling DNA evidence on record, and then refute it. However that should be childs play for someone who is "one of the top". Go.
wow u sure are rough arent you! Ovbiously you need to get ur head out of science for a bit and take a look. Religion/science is not a matter to be unpolite about. People can get touchy, so I'd advice you to watch your mouth in this matter. Just so you know.
Do you understand that gravity is just a theory, atoms are just a theory, cells are just a theory? Do you understand what the word "theory" means when used in a scientific context? I don't think you do and I don't think you are are anywhere near the top of your class, as you don't even understand basic terminology.
Drop the creationist b.s. - self inflicted ignorance is not acceptable.
Ok, You are one of those people that don't understand what a scientific theory is. Creationism is not on the same scientific level. Got some good info, the church of England said they were sorry for denying evolution and sorry for misleading the public for the past 200 years. Google it, it just happened last week.
u could say the same for christainity. We have just as much right to believe in what we believe in because of our or our friends personal experiances, and OUR book(s) of knowledge just as the frikkin science guys do. U believe in your science books and we believe in ours. U have no right to call us wrong.
Nope you are wrong again. A belief is defined as "confidence in the truth or existence of something not immediately susceptible to rigorous proof." I use reasoning which is defined as, "the process of forming conclusions, judgments, or inferences from facts or premises." Two very different things.
Fulfilling for the wrong reasons? Only according to YOUR sect of Christianity that is! I trust science over religion because science questions & is open to debate & revision. Xtians already have a conclusion & twist facts to fit their preconceptions. Why not try to think differently and take off the bible-blinders that stunt reason and growth.
I AM open for it, I'm not blind by my belief. But its my choice to believe in christainity so if I believe in it I therefore live that life style so there. I will grow just fine because in MY belief a holy life is the best you can get.
JessiGirlPro, but you said you take your faith over sceince, which means you are blinding yourself to the evidence of the other side.
It is your choice, but dont try to say your not be blind to the other side. In your belief, a holy life is the best, but then again that is kind of brain washing sounding dont you think? So if my faith said eating babys was the best way, would that still mean it is?
Like I said whatever you thnk. By me saying im not blind is I am open to what people beleive in, i dont live in some sht off place to the world. But I think wut ur saying is a bit weird.
Ownage: I'm sorry but you can't possibly have scientific evidence for God's existence because the supernatural is inherently unknowable (therefore, even theists could say they are agnostic) and untestable (unfalsifiable) in science.
If you're talking about the Big Bang Theory (which I'm guessing you are since you said you don't believe the Earth is 6,000 years old, and I'm assuming for the time being that you accept the modern theory of evolution), then just because we don't know more about it, doesn't mean that it has to be God.
If anything, God (gods and deities for that matter) have shrunk in their roles as time has progressed. So, for the time being, God is now the "God of the Big Bang".
Everything has to have a creator apart from the creator who created us (Otherwise life would not exist). How is it possible that it can come into existence if nothing created it? The idea of choice not being created is stupid, everything had to have been created by something at some point. That is apart from the one thing who is the creator, otherwise, of course life would not exist at all.
If everything had to have a creator then life would not exist at all, the most logical explanation we can give is that something created us who couldn't be created - God.
kidding, i beg to differ i think before we spend our time in religion i think we should spend our time trying to scientifically proove how everything was formed or in your case find irefutable proof of god, not using the sceince that suits your beliefs only. Saying that God is so powerful he isnt applyable to science apart from the science that suits is a cop out. out of interest do you belive the earth is 6000 years old?
i take that back(the so powerful bit) i mean if he dosent apply to the laws of physics then you cant scientifically proove he exists and if you use physics to try and proove he exists you can proove he doesnt exist or at least that he could not in the sense you think he does
What does ''proove'' mean? Or do you mean ''Prove''? If you mean ''Prove'' then if God's all-powerful he would be able to break the laws of physics, the only way this universe and life can exist is if some energy source transfered it's energy into this unniverse, of course that's impossible because energy cannot be created, but yet the impossible did happen because I'm typing to you right now, so I have reason to suggest that energy source is omnipotent, which leads me to conclude it's God.
my mistake you rock at spelling and i suck, just about as much as you suck at basic physics and logic. Your idea of the only way the 'unniverse' could have been created based on a pagan scriputre is far better than scientific evidence. And ow i just realised im typing too so there must be a god! how stupid of me.....Whats the point in having a debate if gods so powerful he can dodge science when it suits you.
I didn't mean to insult you about your spelling, I just didn't understand what you meant. Ok, let's just review my logic if its stupid then, energy can't be created or destroyed is a scientific fact, yet we exist, how is that possible if energy can't be created? Its not. But how do we exist then? Well, imagine if something omnnipotent created us, that need not apply to the laws of physics? That makes sense because it gives an explanation of how we exist. Please explain how my logic is stupid.
if energy cannot be created or destroyed then that gives us more than one option. Not only the idea of a god but that energy has always been here and wasent created. Yes i am still an atheist not an agnostic towards the idea of the christian god. Just becuse energy cannot be created that doesent mean that your specific god created the universe.And if he created everything was he around beofre energy even though you say he is an energy source outside evrything(although the universe is everything)
Ok, lets think about this, the energy souce could of always been there, but why on earth would an energy source just be there? An energy source that has no intelligence would result in chaos and disorder, if we look at how intelligent our universe is, and the fact that the energy soure has no intelligence, yet the earth is intelligent doesn't make sense, and the earth being created intelligently even though it was created by a dumb energy source sounds illogical, I choose the other option, God.
By the way energy is not proof of god becuse you think energy can only be created by god which you think its self is a uncreated form of energy (immune to science). Thats not proof of a holy god. The impossible did not happen otherwise it wouldent be immpossible.
Ok then, if its not impossible for energy to be created (Although according to the first law of thermodynamics energy can't be created or destroyed) then create energy, and put a video detailing how to do it, and prove thousands of scientists wrong, its scientific fact that energy can't be created or destroyed, we can only transfer energy to other things/places.
although its a illogical fallicy itself ('prove the thousands of scientists wrong'which has been done)and im not claiming to be able to do that, you took what i said out of context, i said if somthing is impossible it cant happen otherwise its not impossible im not refuting any of the laws of physics.
I didn't take any of what you said out of context, I was challenging you to prove the laws of physics as false. Yes if something is impossible, it can't happen, when I said the impossible has happened, I'm refering to the fact that there is energy all around us, and we don't have a clue how it got there, and why it can't be created, or destroyed. That's completely impossible, yet it happened. And if it's omnipotent, why shouldn't it be able to do the impossible?
Email me at j0n4th4n9r199@hotmail(Dot)co(Dot)uk, and I'll email you a website giving scientific evidence for God's existence, although I've already sent it to you in reply to when you pm me. Oh, and I don't believe the earth is 6000 years old.
Oh, and since when did you tell me I had to give proof that God made freewill, because I can't do that, just as much as anybody can give evidence that humanity made freewill.
Oh, and can someone please explain how knowing the future takes away our freewill? We're living this life, we're making the decisions, out of own freewill we're making these decisions. No one in my head is forcing me to make the decision. I know that a majority of humans eat everyday, does that take away their freewill to not eat? No, of course not. Why? The reason is already stated above - because nobody is forcing us not to eat.
because if god knows the future then its all ready going to happen, its not freewill in my opinion. How could anyone thats all loving sit in the knowladge of suffering and still think nah i want all options in my freewill even evil,i dont want people feeling diapointed they dont have freewill. ownage2nubs i think its pritty obvious that anyone can make a choice so ur eating example only proves there is freewill but thats not proof that god made freewill.
I've already given you an example, ''I know that a majority of humans eat everyday'' Just like God know's what we're going to do everyday, but it's still freewill because WE, NOT GOD made that decision. As I stated before, if we took away someone's freewill, even evil people, it would be evil of God to do that because it would mean we HAD TO worship him, or are you telling me people would like to do that? Because if you are, then you're sadly mistaken.
we must be making his choice becuse he has a divine plan correct?the comparison to worship and evil is rediculus,taking away an evil persons freewill would not be evil it would be common sense.By doing that it deosnt take the option of worship away,it takes away the option of evil alone the obvious thing to do which almighty god didnt realise when creating everything in 7 days maybe he should of taken a few weeeks,well in theory 7 days is a bit stupid maybe instantly makes more sense
He has a plan for us, but that plan only comes into birth when you accept he does have a plan for us, (This is part of the freewill because we're choosing to enter his plan for us, and we're not forced to). Also, remember everyone started out being good, they had no intention upon birth to be evil, to main, destroy and corrupt. Those things happen because of the corruption of other people, but the one who started all this was the Devil.
Let's give an example out, some murderer should no longer have freewill? Is that just, or would it be more just to forgive, and give him the chance to turn his life around? Christians come into prisons and do this a lot, and their rather succesful at this. You need to learn human compassion, and forgiveness, God gives us this chance because he loves humanity, and all of his creations. The freewill is there not only so we can choose not to accept God, but for the choice to do good.
God is perfectly just, and perfectly loving, to be just you must give the option to EVERYONE, even evil people. It would be unjust, therefore evil, for some people to suddenly not recieve freewill. Oh, and by the way God created the whole universe and everything in it in six days, and rested on the seventh.
Oh, and whoever is marking me down for my opinion, they need to get a life, the good comment and bad comment is their to say whether they made a good point or bad point, if my comments are bad points, how come you can't think of an argument except ones that you've already commented about, and if it's basically the same argument, you're going to get the same reply.
I love how ppl on here tlaking about free will and say its evil. OK PPL OF FAITH! if god is loving then why must he be "allowed" in school? if he can do anything and is everywhere then why is he powerless here? If god knows everything and knows what we are goin to do every day forever then how is there free will when he knows what our choice will be before its even made? also if god is so good then why do you attack ppl of different faiths and claim that they are wrong?
He's not powerless in school's, it just that because people don't want him in schools, he doesn't use his power there. It's freewill because we are doing the action - not him. What do you mean we attack people of different faiths? We never physically abuse people. We question their faith because we believe it's wrong, and not just. Now come up with an intelligent argument instead of easy questions.
In the 'about this video section' God never said that you must give money to me, and good things will happen to you. Christians says that, out of love will you give 10 percent of your income so it can support people that need it? Reconize the word love, and 'will you' it's a choice. Fat Tony could never have the all the power he claimed to have (If he was real) Since when you ask for it, he can't give it, but you'll find when you give your heart to God, he can.
ownage2nubs this is a common thing said. Sayin you have to believe for god to love you or to do anything or to know anyhting is false. if god loves everyone then he loves EVERYONE! not just those that believe in him but those that dont. Make up your mind because this guy has very good points. Can you answer them with out goin only god knows? If god knows everything then there is no free will. Because he alrdy knows what you are goin to do. So how is it free will if he alrdy knows?
I never said you had to believe in God to love you. It's still freewill because you're performing those actions, I know that millions of people eat everyday, but does it take away their freewill to eat because I know they will do it? Of course not! They can still choose not to eat.
why? do you belive he is all powerful?, he could help if he wanted to therefore doesnt want to help which would defy the point of an all loving god. If he wants to help but somehow cant becuse not enough people are praying why kill kids,why dosent god just forget prayer and get rid of "evil". God couldent do this for freewill becuse he knows all, why would he create freewill in the knowlage that we would choose sin and if he knows the futre there is no freewill.
Why? Because interfering with freewill is not just. Yes I do believe he is omnipotent. He want's to help but he doesn't because it would be interfering with our freewill (Which isn't just). He doesn't get rid of evil because evil people have freewill to commit evil. Why create freewill? Some of these you questions are just obvious. Imagine if we had no freewill and we were forced to worship God, would you like it? Of course not, that's why we have freewill.
Lol, 'So it was God's will that those people died' lmao. Your alone on that one, you made up that 'fact' by yourself.
God is willing and able to prevent evil, but it's just that because of freewill, and since freewill is just, humans can commit evil. He prevents it when you choose to let him enter your life and prevent it.
timm9 FALSE! remeber when this conutry was found they said freedom of religion. If you want god in school then I want foamy the squirrl, the flying one eyes purple eater, gnomes, trolls, werewolves, the goblin that lives in my ass. Give me all these and other religions and I will let you have god in school as long I get all these and more. You really dont know anything about peace because you try to bend this act of violence in schools to try to justify god.
what about the other schools that have different gods or at my school where most people are atheist/agnostic and theres no school shootings, own it timmy!
Well its not a religous school its a public school so were not brainwashed with bullshit. We make our own informed choice and from everyone i know, as i said before are MOSTLY atheist and agnostic its not an all agnostic school.
Wrong a 2nd time public schools are not "MOSTLY atheist". Tons of polls studies show atheist only make up like 1% of the world reason their voice is never heard in a presidential race just to few votes to matter. But, you do back my point MASS school shootings have not happened at religous schools,but public schools. just a fact.
in fact im not wrong, your wrong, its not "like1%" its 2.35% atheist and 11.35% non religious. I never said public schools are mostly atheist/agnostic i said mine was. In scottland its 27.5% non religious, it is likely that one out of all the schools schools that one is mostly agnostic and athiest.Considering mine is not christian. Obviously a minority has less of say doesnt mean it is wrong, that would mean it gains more truth with more belivers(or non belivers).
You have thought out some very intelligent and mindblowing questions. I, too, have had the same ones. Expecially the question: why did God harden pharoah's heart? Is that taking away his free will? I do believe God is able to prevent evil but he is not malevolent because He chooses not to... that would impose upon free will. Besides, He could punish all this evil RIGHT NOW but He is merciful for the time being.
Pharaoh's heart was already hardened, that is what people tend to leave out. When we stay in a certain state of mind long enough and refuse to move from it, God gives us what we want. There are a number of scriptures on this. If our heart is loving and compassionate, the Lord will enhance that even more also.
Exactly, you Reap what you Sow. the creator of this video shows little insight, and his opinion is worthless. You should not be disgusted at this video because they are promoting righteousness. GOODWILL is better than FREEWILL. Your lack of perspective is quite naive.
Interesting that the professor has faith in his people, when infact it is one of those people (object of his faith) that murdered other people.
It is not God doing the Killing. It is the evil in the very people the professor has his faith in. That would make me shutter to have the object of my faith to be in people, who never have my best interest at stake, always their own. What is his faith really in?
By the way, you answer nothing, just offer opinion that is unpleasant at best. Very sad...
Well it won't let me do a video response using this other video that will answer questions about why there is evil in the world. Do a search for this video:EVOLUTION AND DAWKINS GETS SLAPPED IN THE FACE (ROUND 5) (though I don't understand the title to this video, he does explain why there is evil in the world)
The only reason in many churches, people give money to the church is to pay for the expensive of running the building and paying the pastor. Those that you see on TV (not all but many) are greedy money grabbing false teachers who do take advantage of people. The bible warns us about them though, so they aren't a surprise. Check out the attached video on God and evil in this world.
I've only watched 49 seconds of this outragous and offense video and im sure I could go on all day about how you have misunderstood christianity. Read the bible and try and find the truths of Christianity! Don't judge all of us like this.
The truth is God loves every single one of us! He showed us this by dieing on the cross 2000 years ago so we woulndn't have perish, I just don't understand how anyone can reject that kind of love he has shown us.
9 The Lord isn't really being slow about his promise, as some people think. No, he is being patient for your sake. He does not want anyone to be destroyed, but wants everyone to repent.
He has no plesaure in condeming the wicked or seeing anyone perish. GOD IS LOVE.
And they didn't say it was a punishment of god that people killed people its the poeples own faults for choosing to perish and become wicked, they were just saying media has choosen another path rather than good which has promoted all kinds of bad stuff. And now your saying god is going to kill us if we don't worship him?!
And who says you need to give money to god?! God was the poorest man in history Jesus Christ and it says in the bible money is the root of all kinds of evil. You probably got that from people giving money to their churches which is done to try and spread the word of god not for their own personal gain. You got Christianity all wrong and I am extremely offended by this.
It seems like if all your faith is in people it would have been shattered by the person killing those students...that would be a logical response, I would think. At any rate, I do hope they heal from this trauma, those hurt physically and those hurt emotionally. I don't think their sense of security will ever be the same though. But really, the other video never said God makes a student go around shooting anyone, I really don't know how you got that out of it.
Honestly if you think God has that much control over us in reference to the Pharaoh, then why hasn't God forced you to believe in Him? You ask where is free will after quoting that verse, yet obviously you have free will to not believe...right? There is evil in this world because we have freewill.
I agree. Evil is a result of free will and non-belief is luxurous freedom enjoyed by many. What they don't realize is that the freedom could lead to bondage. Bondage to hedonism, carousal, sensualism, debauchery, and perhaps ultimately, hell.
That is not what the video said. It NEVER said kids killing kids in school was God punishing anyone. Wasn't even implied. Its point was what happens in a Godless world, Godless schools, etc...WE do the killings. The KIDS do the killings. God is not making them do anything...wow what an insane twist to that video!
This rebuttal video is just a lot of drivel. The author reminds me of a whining child displeased at the discipline of his parents. The shooters at VT etc were not tools in the hands of an angry God, but products of a perverse and godless society. The apostle Paul said in Romans 1 that God will give any society over to a reprobate mind when it continually rejects His word and His son. Judgment is coming upon this world, and when God does send His wrath, it will be a time unlike any other.
It is ironically amusing that you would claim my video is drivel, and finish your post with the most inane drivel imaginable:-) See the post just above your for your rebuttal, and check out the last 200 years of philosophy, that will also help. Religion is self evident nonsense, grow up and grow out of it.
God gives people the choice to shoot people as much as he dislikes it. God wants us to make the right choices. Evil comes from us because we live in a fallen world. God made the world perfect but we actually chose to try and make ourselves god and put ourselves in power and we screwed up.That's what the whole story of adam and eve is about. the world is messed because we messed it up and chose to make it that way not because god is forcing us to be like that.
You don't think this clashes with the idea of a God who knows everything, even before it happens? Millenia before it happens? What sort of sick monster would create a race of people knowing that choices made by a few of them, would condemn billions of them to lives of misery? Are you really happy to worship THAT? Before you tell yourself "it's a mystery", that is just a weak pussy cop out. Think about what I've said, if you have the courage.
Dude...don't take this wrong way but...ur a idiot. That video says nothing like that. I would like if you wouldn't talk out of ur butt and actually use some common sense. You'll figure your answers up
It is no wonder that chain letters goes on, when there are Christians on earth; because they believe just because someone have said or it is written on paper.
The thing that bothered me most about Virginia Tech was that it didn't horrify me. It just seemed sad. And very possible. And so much smaller than Iraq.
If your stupid to believe in what a man tells you to believe in like that the world was formed from a big band and man comes from apes well your stupid because you got to explain for starters how the big bag came about because for some thing to come about it has to be created by someone does not just pop out of noting. It amazing how many people believe in what a man says when that man is not 100% sure himself what he believes. I ask is he 100% sure
ollie1975able 1 month ago
Sorry to hear about the tragedy God is not the author of evil He actualized evil when He gave us free will. So He wont stop a drunk driver from killing even a Christian. A drunk driver killed that young lady not God The bible does not give us a" fair" way to deal with evil He gives us something far greater eternity with Him in a world without sin If she is a born again believer those greiving family members being in Christ as well will see her again This is the hope we have in Christ Jesus
2black4bet 8 months ago
here goes another agnostic with a British accent tying to rationalize the sovereignty of God though the finite lens of the human eye and a finite puny brain of which we only use 10%God is infinite you cant put him in a test tube and measure his vitals please dont attempt to translate scripture without the guide of the Spirit of Truth You seem to have the same problem our President has that is you dont know how to read the bible
2black4bet 9 months ago
@2black4bet Sorry, but I read The Lord of the Rings with the "Spirit of Thruth" and that lead me to worship Gandalf!
Sorry! Couldn't help myself. :)
Seriously though, what about the Five Nikayas?
Or the Donghak?
Or the Pyramid texts?
Or ALL the religious texts we know exists?
The reason you don't adhere to them might be because you haven't read them with THEIR particular "spirit of truth", no?
Spirit of thruth seems to be synonumous for - subjectivity.
auritone 8 months ago
@auritone the bible is "rooted and grounded in history AND evidence" unlike all the other world religions and fairy tales you like evolutionism you probably believe in. Its not what you or I say thats subjectivity The word of God is not subject to any person in the universe God miraculously preserved his word over time and the bible has stood the test of time
2black4bet 8 months ago
@2black4bet Well, I would have to say that I seriously question the historic "evidence" of a talking snake, a talking, burning bush, the ability to round of two af all animals - not counting all the water animals of course - and build an arc to hold them all, ressurection of the dead, the ability of someone to turn over 800 years of age ect ect ect. But thank you for proving my point about subjectivity. :)
And what exactly is evolutionism?
auritone 8 months ago
@auritone by historic evidence we mean archeological proof that the people and places recorded in the bible are not made up fantasies like for instance the book of Mormon. There is no archeological evidence that the "land of Mormon" ever existed or evidence of reformed Egyptian hieroglyphics in which are the pillars of the Mormon faith Evolutionism is a religion like all world religions cannot be proven scientifically. Talking snake? lol look up Hebrew IDIOM for me will you lolol
2black4bet 8 months ago
@2black4bet I know what an idiom is! You, however, might want to learn something by looking up EVOLUTION - preferbly something written by actual scientists. Evolutionism is what creationists - people who think the world is 6000 years old and humans walked with dinosaurs - call evolution because they
a) are wilffully ignorant in regard to scientific evidence and method
b) try to make science sound like a secular religion so they outright can dismiss evidence without looking at it!
auritone 8 months ago
@auritone the snake idiom does not tell us how satan looks it describes how he is
2black4bet 8 months ago
@2black4bet I realise that - he is refered to as a serpent, not a snake - just like there is no apple.
But, even though the Bible describes things we know existed does NOT make all of it true.
It's actually easy to set a fantasy in a real setting - litterature does it all the time!
Actually, the closest thing we come to a true, historic depiction of the mindset back then is probably in Python's Life of Brian considering the sheer number of Messiah running around at the time....
auritone 8 months ago
@auritone serpent or snake is used to symbolize deceitfulness; who is deceiving you ?there is no apple the bible says a fruit doesn't say what kind of fruit. You believe what you wish but I can make a case for the validity of the bible as the infallible word of God. based on archeological and manuscript evidence also predictive prophecy and the fact that it would be statistical impossible that all or even some of the bibles very specific predictions could have been luck or chance
2black4bet 8 months ago
@2black4bet Read what I wrote about the apple, please! :)
Wow, so the follow-up to the the old testament confirms the predictions made?
That's just ingenius!
Of couse it does - it's a sequel!
And that from someone who claims there's no evidence of evolution?
Peer-reviewed, empirical scientific evidence of the evolution of species are all over the place and used by medical manufacturers every day!
But I guess you don't believe in medicine either...?
auritone 8 months ago
@auritone good point but there are predictions made that could not be colluded like the BIRTHPLACE of Christ LIFE AND DEATH were rendered a 100yrs before they occurred as proven by the dead sea scroll of Isiah and the Septuagint all dating before 100 bc many prophecies would have been impossible for anyone to conspire such as Christs genealogy He also predicted His own death and resurrection (John 2:19-22)
2black4bet 8 months ago
@2black4bet The only thing I see that prove is that someone read those texts.
Of course one could make a story fit into those predictions.
And where do I refer to any lost books of the bible?
Religions older than the bible talk about virgin births, resurrections and floods!
And there have been plenty of people throughout history who have predicted their own deaths. What does that prove? And confirmation of the resurrection makes sense if you were a disciple. Otherwise he wasn't the Messiah-
auritone 8 months ago
@auritone very unlikely someone could predict all of these facts:descendant of Abraham Isaac and Jacob (Gen. 12:3; 17:19; Num. 24:21-24); His birth in Bethlehem (Mic. 5:2); His crucifixion with criminals (Isa. 53:12); the piercing of His hands and feet at the crucifixion (Ps. 22:16); the soldiers’ gambling for His clothes (Ps. 22:18); the piercing of His side and the fact that His bones were not broken at His death (Zech. 12:10; Ps. 34:20); and His burial among the rich (Isa. 53:9)
2black4bet 8 months ago
@2black4bet It's quite likely, actually! The reason you find it unlikely is the fact that you call them "predictions fulfilled".
I see it as writings followed by other writings.
When establishing a religion wouldn't just a minimum of consistency between the writings make sense?
You wouldn't get very far by contradicting it, would you?
You see you take the writing as evidence of actual events.
I see it as a work of fiction.
That is where we collide on this subject. :)
auritone 8 months ago
@auritone right so during the so called establishment of Christianity(who is if you dont know one person, Christ) predicted his own birthplace before He was born, He then conspired to have rome crucify him with criminals, then he whispered before he died on the cross in the soldiers ears" hey could you peirce me in the side so it can fulfill OT prophecy!" COME ON MAN you dont believe because you dont want to believe so its not a matter of proof its a matter of will for the skeptic
2black4bet 8 months ago
@2black4bet That's not what I'm saying at all!
Where did that come from?
What I'm saying is the authors could write whatever they wanted to write!
That someone wrote something is proof of just one thing - someone wrote it!
That's it!
It doesn't even come close to being proof it actually happend that way!
Any text should be met with a healthy amount of sceptism - doesn't matter if it's religious, scientific, news, someones biography ect ect!
auritone 8 months ago
evidence is there for everyone to see The archeologist will tell you the cities people and places described in the bible are true whether or not you believe Christ rose from the dead does take a little faith but not blind faith THe bible has stood the ultimate test, the test of time unlike any other religion it is etched in human history. Its not a book of made up fables and rules and regulations. It is the word of God not just a religious book. In fact Christianity is not a religion at all
2black4bet 8 months ago
@2black4bet I don't dispute there are things in the Bible which are historically accurate - places, peoples ect.
However, to believe that ALL of it therefore must be true requires a gigantic leap of faith.
And "etched in human history" has more to do with politics and power than actual truthfulness.
As far as I know Judaism is older than Christianity. Would that make that truer, then?
Age proves nothing about truthfulness.
And if not a religion... What is it then?
auritone 8 months ago
@auritone Christianity is birthed out of Judaism Christ came to "fulfill" the law of Moses(Luke 24:44) the gospel of Jesus Christ “is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile(Romans 1:16) So it doesn't matter what race or creed you belong to you are saved by faith in Christ alone.(Romans 3;19-28) The politics and "power" vain worldly power had more to do with the Roman Catholic church rather than the historic Judaism/Christianity faith.
2black4bet 8 months ago
@2black4bet I will postulate that we would never have seen such a wide spread of christianity if it wasn't for the fact that it got accepted by the ruling classes - especially in early European history. This meant that christianity permeated all aspects of life and the close relationship between rulers and church meant security of political and economical power for both and is the main reason for it's long history and spread throughout the world.
auritone 8 months ago
We see the spread of the gospel as the plan of a sovereign God We must also remember Christ words "not everyone who says Lord Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven"(Mat 7:21) So even though there are many that claim to be "Christians" really are not inwardly. They carry the banner of Christianity to further their own political and economic power a la Constantine. What drew me to Christ was not the plethora of evil men using the name of Christ but Christ himself who was w/o sin and blameless
2black4bet 8 months ago
@2black4bet I see, so the historic teaming up of religion and rulers has nothing to do with anything?
State sponsored missionaries have nothing to do with anything?
Interesting how every christian I talk to claim that other christians have got it wrong.
auritone 8 months ago
@2black4bet Furthermore, the Bible is hardly original.
Virgin births, crucifixions and ressurections are rampant throughout earlier religious texts.
auritone 8 months ago
@auritone you make the dogmatic assertion that because something predates something else that makes it TRUE Secondly referring to so called "lost books of the bible " they have the chronology all wrong read the book of acts Those religions actually rivaled Judaism/Christianity instead of predating them the $ensationalist wants you to watch TV have you ever read these "religious texts" the story of Osirus is not even close to the historic account of Christ His body was not cut up in 14 pieces
2black4bet 8 months ago
God is AWESOME!!!
esththom 1 year ago
Fuck God.
Seriously who the fuck can believe in these fairy tales in this modern day?
supersmash43 1 year ago
God is FICTION.
Karoke77 1 year ago
I feel for non believers, I will pray
Obamaisafraud1 2 years ago
what good can it do?
Akelpph41 1 year ago
UR an idiot - the previous video mentions nothing abt saying shootings R God's vengence. U stupid fool - it's all abt the fact that God is not in R hearts, there is no ethical morality taught anymore, period - & therefore man has lost his way & does stupid things. Everything done is at man's hand, not God's, you athiest moron. But it's futile talking to someone who has never felt the love of God in his heart. Don't knock what U haven't tried. If Udon't know what UR talking about,just shut up.
missjlh 2 years ago
no it doesnt but if you listen to the video. that is technically what christians believe is the reason people got shot at schools.
britainmjames 2 years ago
keep god in schools
AllenFTW 2 years ago
what is your def of good? and just a thought, if we are programmers of a video game world, we are not bound to its laws and definitions; contrary, the video game is bound to the laws and definitions we have set for it, as much as the characters in the game dislikes it. So the grand designer of this universe has set apart how reality will work for us, and we are not ones to say what is best and aside from your own "world", there is the greater good that sets a chain of events you could not see.
onotarh 2 years ago
Not disagreeing with this, but how is it a rebuttal to the god out of schools thing? That confuses me a bit.
gatorpower 2 years ago
i think its time you actually learned about the Bible and God...maybe you should take a few classes. God is not there to do what we as humans have to take responsibility for. He does not give us more than we can handle as people. this is part of the reason why so many believe and trust and have faith in God.
jrjohnson4189 3 years ago
wow this persons an IDIOT
bashdawg1 3 years ago
About 1:55 , your definition of evil is wrong. Think about this: What is darkness? Darkness is the abscene of light. This is 100% true. Try creating darkness with light. OK, now think about this: What is evil? Evil is the abscene of good. Evil comes from humans chosing not to do good. Therefore God is both loving, provides us with salvation, but also just, allows are choices to have consequences. All of the shooting were awful things, but they were brought along by our doing.
rolltide3738 3 years ago
If God was good, then he would have stopped the shootings. An absence of good...
you know what that means
CBGB42 3 years ago
If God stopped everything in the world that was evil, then humans would see no need for God. Therefore, no one would believe in him.
rolltide3738 3 years ago
and how is that a bad thing?
TheModestAgnostic 3 years ago
Gee thanks God, we can all see what a swell guy you are because random shootings happen .... well I'm convinced.
TheModestAgnostic 3 years ago
What a bad thing to say first god is not a guy I mean god is not HUMAN so dont write as if he is. You know of gods plan no one does. I am not a Fanatical christian or anything. But god does work in a mysterious way. You might not think he is there but he is. He will send a blessing when you least expect it. Maybe you dont have faith now but you will find him one day when you least expect but need him most.
csincali 2 years ago
Maybe he could just dial it back a notch or fifty thousand? Allowing us to stub our toes on furniture, but not to vaporise cities? Wouldn't that be an idea?
TheModestAgnostic 3 years ago
@TheModestAgnostic yea but he likes droping the WTF bomb on humans xD
tjinga2u1 1 year ago
Wow, that's one seriously insecure god. He would let man descend into chaos, just so people would believe in him? Tell me, please, why you find this being so great.
CBGB42 3 years ago
Why do you not? Lucifer did not either and look where he ended up. Just have faith and trust you will see. If you dont believe me now someday you will find the truth. I was like you before to then I hit the bottom and on the bottom the only place to go is to god and faith he was there waiting for me to help me up when I was down but only when I decided I was ready for him. It all goes back to free will to believe.
csincali 2 years ago
wow what a wonderful fairytale you live in
britainmjames 2 years ago
I dont live in a fairy tale! Plese explain how my response to this video sounds remotley like I am living in a fairytale
csincali 2 years ago
you believe in a guy that lives up in the clouds and if you clasp your hands and talk to him he will give you what you want. but only if you truly believe him. snd this god sent himself to earth to change the rules that he created.
britainmjames 2 years ago
I dont believe if I clasp my hands god will give me want I want. God helps those who help themselves. That is not living in a fairy tale. Because you are ignorant and filled with anger does not mean god doesnt love you. You just take more work than others like the kids in school who are slower then others they take longer to learn. You might remiedal courses with God.
csincali 2 years ago
im not filled with anger. and buddy i went to christian schools all my life. i learned as much as i could. im not angry with god. i simply dont believe in the existence of god. its a bronze aged cult. your religion is no different from all the others. they only cause war and intolerance
britainmjames 2 years ago
God provided humans with free Humans have a choice it is whether they choose to kill someone or not. It is not gods place to decide that is why humans where granted free will. It is up to humans to make the right choice.
csincali 2 years ago
ALSO, I would be completely fine with allowing people to bring other religions in to school. I am not saying that everyone should be forced to listen to a pray. BUT straight up outlawing God from the schools is straight up retarded and UN-American. Pull out a dollar bill from your pocket, turn it around and read the writing above the "ONE." it reads "IN GOD WE TRUST." If the entire nation's tender reads that message why has he been kicked from school?
rolltide3738 3 years ago
I like the "In God We Trust" on money, especially with the surge in pornography sales. God-money for smut. Gotta love the irony.
CliffM85 3 years ago
God doesn't kill anyone. He allows the sin in the world to take place. No matter what the world tries to do, God is still in the schools. The point the speaker is making, and you hinted on this but ran away from it, is that the decline of America has led to these things. You cannot tell me that if pray, bible reading, and God were part of every day life that our country would be where it is now. Taking God out of school was the first downfall to our country.
rolltide3738 3 years ago
didnt god destroy sodom and gomorrah. did he not create the flood that you belive engulfed the earth?
britainmjames 2 years ago
Curious how these jesus-freaks-of-nature consistently get pummelled on YouTube...so they (or God?) created GodTube. I visited GodTube where 'respectful athiest are welcome', I was rewarded with a computer virus for a benign post.
bfgray 3 years ago
your missing the point buddy
school shootings are not a punishment from God
they are a direct consequence of the absence of God in our school
children are simply lost without God, and have no direction, thats why we have seen a drastic increase in school shootings in the past 20 years
were there any school shootings when we had God in our schools back in 1900?
topgun739 3 years ago
topgun739, so even the people that believe in another god, should believe in your brand....wtf?
Times change and everything, I dont think you are taking that into account. Also, in 1900 there was weird things goin on like, you could have children working in factorys, losing arms and stuff. So, if you are using that time as your defence of why we need god, then why dont you tell all those business that used children as slaves? just a thought.
Krensharpaw 3 years ago
your fairly inarticulate with what you are trying to say, its quite hard to understand
please restate...
topgun739 3 years ago
Also, they are not lost. Your saying since god is not there, they are turning to violence, which is BS. Your uisng school shootings as a cheap way to say we need god.
I love how people say these things still, but never look at the parents. Seems they can raise a kid to about 12, after that, if they are messed up, they had nothing to do with that. Must be the absence of god. Maybe, dont use cheap was of trying to get your brand of faith into schools.
Krensharpaw 3 years ago
if you want to bring parents into the argument, then thats fine
our parenting has gone to crap in the last few centuries...it seems to be the hippie generation who believed in inner peace along with homosexuality and drug use...that are now the parenting generation
if you believed in God, your fruitful action would to not be homosexual, not use illegal drugs, etc...
its still the absence of God
topgun739 3 years ago
The Narrow and Wide Gates 13"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
Matthew 7:13-14
StepMonster 3 years ago
StepMonster, so what you are saying is god made people knwoing most of them would go to hell.....what a kind god.
Krensharpaw 3 years ago
We are free to believe as we wish.
FREEDOMLVR7 3 years ago
Well I think your friend is right. You can't expect the blind to see.
McChicken666 3 years ago
And I mean that both ways so don't try sarcasm. U can't expect me to believe in SCIENCE over my own belief because of the way were raised and therefore think.
JessiGirlPro 3 years ago
JessiGirlPro, so what your saying is, is you are raised in not taking in evidence....then you wont take it. So I guess you must nto go to school then at all.
Krensharpaw 3 years ago
oh please. No, I am homeschooled. My parents didn't want me to go to public school for several reasons n if i do go to school it'll b private most likely. But I take in evedence its to complicated to try and explain to you people beleifs in god and such and having to go on here all the time for this is kind of a drag. Just look up stuff for beleifs... What I was saying is I cant expect you guys to see things my way. And people dont thumbs down what I say so much i mean rlly i havnt said notn bad
JessiGirlPro 3 years ago
JessiGirlPro, well it can be a drag, but I think the reason why people try to say what they do is because, many people dont want to take in evidence and would rather be mules to there beliefs, so afriad to look at anything else.
I know it can be hard for people to see things as someone else, but that is true about anyone. I was just saying that you make it sound as if you were brain washed into taking faith, over evidence.
Krensharpaw 3 years ago
Science to hard? Try religion!
McChicken666 3 years ago
I shoudln't waste my time on you. My friend said "You can't expect the blind to see" which means I shouldnt get mad or waste my time on you because you weren't raised like me, so I shouldnt expect you to think what I think. Also its not my job. One day if my God is tru you'll see for yourself.
So see you around.
♥
JessiGirlPro 3 years ago
Evolution & Big Bang= Preacher science. It cannot be proved, its simply faith in non faith.
Christianity can be proved with logic, though unfortunately, too many people are just believing because they think they have to.
I am a believer, but I put faith first and logic second. But logic is still there.
The idea that a random giant explosion caused the universe and our planet, which somehow maintained life, that turned in to apes which became us, is just as crazy as creationism
Notperfect143 3 years ago
Notperfect123- I think you need to take a biology class because every thing you are saying is wrong. Evolution is proven. In science a Theory is made up from multiple facts that can't be disproved. Would you say the theory of gravity is just a theory? The Big bang is harder to explain but the basis is that the universe is expanding away from a center. If you reverse time, there is some point when all the material is collected together. This observation was made in like 1929.
McChicken666 3 years ago
McChicken666- I am in Biology actually. Look at the scientific method. It has to be tested in order to be proven as a fact. That is why creation isn't scientific, and neither is evolution. On the big bang theory, you said if you reverse time you can see the point when all material was collected together. If people could reverse time and see anything, there would be no argument
In my opinion on the subject though, our origins aren't nearly as important as other things that should be studied.
Notperfect143 3 years ago
Really? Evolution isn't scientific? I don't think that you are doing that well in your Biology class, are you?
How do you feel about atoms? cells? gravity? Aren't they all just (unscientific) theories as well?
1n354a 3 years ago
Untill anything can be proven its just a theory, thus, not science.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying its "dumb or stupid"
I'm saying it can hardly be considered true science. Creationism would be just as equally scientific because there is no physical proof. All you can use to "prove" either of those is reason.
I am one of the top in my class for Biology, by the way.
Notperfect143 3 years ago
Top of your class? You're posts here all look like weakly veiled creationist claptrap. Maybe thats just me.
Has DNA been mentioned in this "biology" class that you are "one of the top in"? Ignore the millions of fossils by all means, DNA is all the physical evidence we need. If you disagree, could you explain why? This will of course require you to lay out the compelling DNA evidence on record, and then refute it. However that should be childs play for someone who is "one of the top". Go.
TheModestAgnostic 3 years ago
wow u sure are rough arent you! Ovbiously you need to get ur head out of science for a bit and take a look. Religion/science is not a matter to be unpolite about. People can get touchy, so I'd advice you to watch your mouth in this matter. Just so you know.
JessiGirlPro 3 years ago
Do you understand that gravity is just a theory, atoms are just a theory, cells are just a theory? Do you understand what the word "theory" means when used in a scientific context? I don't think you do and I don't think you are are anywhere near the top of your class, as you don't even understand basic terminology.
Drop the creationist b.s. - self inflicted ignorance is not acceptable.
1n354a 3 years ago
Ok, You are one of those people that don't understand what a scientific theory is. Creationism is not on the same scientific level. Got some good info, the church of England said they were sorry for denying evolution and sorry for misleading the public for the past 200 years. Google it, it just happened last week.
McChicken666 3 years ago
u could say the same for christainity. We have just as much right to believe in what we believe in because of our or our friends personal experiances, and OUR book(s) of knowledge just as the frikkin science guys do. U believe in your science books and we believe in ours. U have no right to call us wrong.
JessiGirlPro 3 years ago
Science is NOT a belief.
McChicken666 3 years ago
Well you BELIEVE in science over christainity/god right? Sounds like a BELIEF on your part to me dude.
What a life it must be
JessiGirlPro 3 years ago
Nope you are wrong again. A belief is defined as "confidence in the truth or existence of something not immediately susceptible to rigorous proof." I use reasoning which is defined as, "the process of forming conclusions, judgments, or inferences from facts or premises." Two very different things.
McChicken666 3 years ago
Well it sounds like a fun life!
NOT.
JessiGirlPro 3 years ago
probably just as fulfilling as your, I just don't have to waste my Sundays. ;)
McChicken666 3 years ago
I have a whole shyt load of fun on sundays and wednsdays thank you very much. And my life isnt fulfilling for all the wrong reasons.
JessiGirlPro 3 years ago
Fulfilling for the wrong reasons? Only according to YOUR sect of Christianity that is! I trust science over religion because science questions & is open to debate & revision. Xtians already have a conclusion & twist facts to fit their preconceptions. Why not try to think differently and take off the bible-blinders that stunt reason and growth.
utubepunk 3 years ago
I AM open for it, I'm not blind by my belief. But its my choice to believe in christainity so if I believe in it I therefore live that life style so there. I will grow just fine because in MY belief a holy life is the best you can get.
JessiGirlPro 3 years ago
JessiGirlPro, but you said you take your faith over sceince, which means you are blinding yourself to the evidence of the other side.
It is your choice, but dont try to say your not be blind to the other side. In your belief, a holy life is the best, but then again that is kind of brain washing sounding dont you think? So if my faith said eating babys was the best way, would that still mean it is?
Krensharpaw 3 years ago
Like I said whatever you thnk. By me saying im not blind is I am open to what people beleive in, i dont live in some sht off place to the world. But I think wut ur saying is a bit weird.
JessiGirlPro 3 years ago
Ownage: I'm sorry but you can't possibly have scientific evidence for God's existence because the supernatural is inherently unknowable (therefore, even theists could say they are agnostic) and untestable (unfalsifiable) in science.
Molotok 3 years ago
(continued)
If you're talking about the Big Bang Theory (which I'm guessing you are since you said you don't believe the Earth is 6,000 years old, and I'm assuming for the time being that you accept the modern theory of evolution), then just because we don't know more about it, doesn't mean that it has to be God.
If anything, God (gods and deities for that matter) have shrunk in their roles as time has progressed. So, for the time being, God is now the "God of the Big Bang".
Molotok 3 years ago
That's true but we don't care about scientific proof...
That's the point.
JessiGirlPro 3 years ago
nobody 'made' freewill, it is by definition choice. The idea of creating choice(freewill) is stupid period.
Ryn2k8 3 years ago
Everything has to have a creator apart from the creator who created us (Otherwise life would not exist). How is it possible that it can come into existence if nothing created it? The idea of choice not being created is stupid, everything had to have been created by something at some point. That is apart from the one thing who is the creator, otherwise, of course life would not exist at all.
ownage2nubs 3 years ago
well then if god wasent created then he dosent exist either, thats the same logic you gave me.
Ryn2k8 3 years ago
If everything had to have a creator then life would not exist at all, the most logical explanation we can give is that something created us who couldn't be created - God.
ownage2nubs 3 years ago
do you mean you belive that we dont exist lol?
kidding, i beg to differ i think before we spend our time in religion i think we should spend our time trying to scientifically proove how everything was formed or in your case find irefutable proof of god, not using the sceince that suits your beliefs only. Saying that God is so powerful he isnt applyable to science apart from the science that suits is a cop out. out of interest do you belive the earth is 6000 years old?
Ryn2k8 3 years ago
i take that back(the so powerful bit) i mean if he dosent apply to the laws of physics then you cant scientifically proove he exists and if you use physics to try and proove he exists you can proove he doesnt exist or at least that he could not in the sense you think he does
Ryn2k8 3 years ago
What does ''proove'' mean? Or do you mean ''Prove''? If you mean ''Prove'' then if God's all-powerful he would be able to break the laws of physics, the only way this universe and life can exist is if some energy source transfered it's energy into this unniverse, of course that's impossible because energy cannot be created, but yet the impossible did happen because I'm typing to you right now, so I have reason to suggest that energy source is omnipotent, which leads me to conclude it's God.
ownage2nubs 3 years ago
my mistake you rock at spelling and i suck, just about as much as you suck at basic physics and logic. Your idea of the only way the 'unniverse' could have been created based on a pagan scriputre is far better than scientific evidence. And ow i just realised im typing too so there must be a god! how stupid of me.....Whats the point in having a debate if gods so powerful he can dodge science when it suits you.
Ryn2k8 3 years ago
I didn't mean to insult you about your spelling, I just didn't understand what you meant. Ok, let's just review my logic if its stupid then, energy can't be created or destroyed is a scientific fact, yet we exist, how is that possible if energy can't be created? Its not. But how do we exist then? Well, imagine if something omnnipotent created us, that need not apply to the laws of physics? That makes sense because it gives an explanation of how we exist. Please explain how my logic is stupid.
ownage2nubs 3 years ago
if energy cannot be created or destroyed then that gives us more than one option. Not only the idea of a god but that energy has always been here and wasent created. Yes i am still an atheist not an agnostic towards the idea of the christian god. Just becuse energy cannot be created that doesent mean that your specific god created the universe.And if he created everything was he around beofre energy even though you say he is an energy source outside evrything(although the universe is everything)
Ryn2k8 3 years ago
Ok, lets think about this, the energy souce could of always been there, but why on earth would an energy source just be there? An energy source that has no intelligence would result in chaos and disorder, if we look at how intelligent our universe is, and the fact that the energy soure has no intelligence, yet the earth is intelligent doesn't make sense, and the earth being created intelligently even though it was created by a dumb energy source sounds illogical, I choose the other option, God.
ownage2nubs 3 years ago
By the way energy is not proof of god becuse you think energy can only be created by god which you think its self is a uncreated form of energy (immune to science). Thats not proof of a holy god. The impossible did not happen otherwise it wouldent be immpossible.
Ryn2k8 3 years ago
Ok then, if its not impossible for energy to be created (Although according to the first law of thermodynamics energy can't be created or destroyed) then create energy, and put a video detailing how to do it, and prove thousands of scientists wrong, its scientific fact that energy can't be created or destroyed, we can only transfer energy to other things/places.
ownage2nubs 3 years ago
although its a illogical fallicy itself ('prove the thousands of scientists wrong'which has been done)and im not claiming to be able to do that, you took what i said out of context, i said if somthing is impossible it cant happen otherwise its not impossible im not refuting any of the laws of physics.
Ryn2k8 3 years ago
I didn't take any of what you said out of context, I was challenging you to prove the laws of physics as false. Yes if something is impossible, it can't happen, when I said the impossible has happened, I'm refering to the fact that there is energy all around us, and we don't have a clue how it got there, and why it can't be created, or destroyed. That's completely impossible, yet it happened. And if it's omnipotent, why shouldn't it be able to do the impossible?
ownage2nubs 3 years ago
Email me at j0n4th4n9r199@hotmail(Dot)co(Dot)uk, and I'll email you a website giving scientific evidence for God's existence, although I've already sent it to you in reply to when you pm me. Oh, and I don't believe the earth is 6000 years old.
ownage2nubs 3 years ago
Oh, and since when did you tell me I had to give proof that God made freewill, because I can't do that, just as much as anybody can give evidence that humanity made freewill.
ownage2nubs 3 years ago
Oh, and can someone please explain how knowing the future takes away our freewill? We're living this life, we're making the decisions, out of own freewill we're making these decisions. No one in my head is forcing me to make the decision. I know that a majority of humans eat everyday, does that take away their freewill to not eat? No, of course not. Why? The reason is already stated above - because nobody is forcing us not to eat.
ownage2nubs 3 years ago
because if god knows the future then its all ready going to happen, its not freewill in my opinion. How could anyone thats all loving sit in the knowladge of suffering and still think nah i want all options in my freewill even evil,i dont want people feeling diapointed they dont have freewill. ownage2nubs i think its pritty obvious that anyone can make a choice so ur eating example only proves there is freewill but thats not proof that god made freewill.
Ryn2k8 3 years ago
I've already given you an example, ''I know that a majority of humans eat everyday'' Just like God know's what we're going to do everyday, but it's still freewill because WE, NOT GOD made that decision. As I stated before, if we took away someone's freewill, even evil people, it would be evil of God to do that because it would mean we HAD TO worship him, or are you telling me people would like to do that? Because if you are, then you're sadly mistaken.
ownage2nubs 3 years ago
we must be making his choice becuse he has a divine plan correct?the comparison to worship and evil is rediculus,taking away an evil persons freewill would not be evil it would be common sense.By doing that it deosnt take the option of worship away,it takes away the option of evil alone the obvious thing to do which almighty god didnt realise when creating everything in 7 days maybe he should of taken a few weeeks,well in theory 7 days is a bit stupid maybe instantly makes more sense
Ryn2k8 3 years ago
He has a plan for us, but that plan only comes into birth when you accept he does have a plan for us, (This is part of the freewill because we're choosing to enter his plan for us, and we're not forced to). Also, remember everyone started out being good, they had no intention upon birth to be evil, to main, destroy and corrupt. Those things happen because of the corruption of other people, but the one who started all this was the Devil.
ownage2nubs 3 years ago
Let's give an example out, some murderer should no longer have freewill? Is that just, or would it be more just to forgive, and give him the chance to turn his life around? Christians come into prisons and do this a lot, and their rather succesful at this. You need to learn human compassion, and forgiveness, God gives us this chance because he loves humanity, and all of his creations. The freewill is there not only so we can choose not to accept God, but for the choice to do good.
ownage2nubs 3 years ago
God is perfectly just, and perfectly loving, to be just you must give the option to EVERYONE, even evil people. It would be unjust, therefore evil, for some people to suddenly not recieve freewill. Oh, and by the way God created the whole universe and everything in it in six days, and rested on the seventh.
ownage2nubs 3 years ago
Oh, and whoever is marking me down for my opinion, they need to get a life, the good comment and bad comment is their to say whether they made a good point or bad point, if my comments are bad points, how come you can't think of an argument except ones that you've already commented about, and if it's basically the same argument, you're going to get the same reply.
ownage2nubs 3 years ago
God does not exist.
dtjesus 3 years ago 2
LOL, punishment from GOD?? UH you are an idiot, the final message says "You REAP WHAT YOU SOW". Your whole video is a waste! LOL.
spec1alist 3 years ago
I love how ppl on here tlaking about free will and say its evil. OK PPL OF FAITH! if god is loving then why must he be "allowed" in school? if he can do anything and is everywhere then why is he powerless here? If god knows everything and knows what we are goin to do every day forever then how is there free will when he knows what our choice will be before its even made? also if god is so good then why do you attack ppl of different faiths and claim that they are wrong?
Krensharpaw 3 years ago 2
He's not powerless in school's, it just that because people don't want him in schools, he doesn't use his power there. It's freewill because we are doing the action - not him. What do you mean we attack people of different faiths? We never physically abuse people. We question their faith because we believe it's wrong, and not just. Now come up with an intelligent argument instead of easy questions.
ownage2nubs 3 years ago
In the 'about this video section' God never said that you must give money to me, and good things will happen to you. Christians says that, out of love will you give 10 percent of your income so it can support people that need it? Reconize the word love, and 'will you' it's a choice. Fat Tony could never have the all the power he claimed to have (If he was real) Since when you ask for it, he can't give it, but you'll find when you give your heart to God, he can.
ownage2nubs 3 years ago
ownage2nubs this is a common thing said. Sayin you have to believe for god to love you or to do anything or to know anyhting is false. if god loves everyone then he loves EVERYONE! not just those that believe in him but those that dont. Make up your mind because this guy has very good points. Can you answer them with out goin only god knows? If god knows everything then there is no free will. Because he alrdy knows what you are goin to do. So how is it free will if he alrdy knows?
Krensharpaw 3 years ago 2
I never said you had to believe in God to love you. It's still freewill because you're performing those actions, I know that millions of people eat everyday, but does it take away their freewill to eat because I know they will do it? Of course not! They can still choose not to eat.
ownage2nubs 3 years ago
but if i knew when you eat a burger it was going to harm somone and i was all knowing and powerful i wouldent let you eat that burger.
Ryn2k8 3 years ago
If you did that you would be interfering with their freewill, and God doesn't interfere with freewill unless you want, and let him interfere.
ownage2nubs 3 years ago
why? do you belive he is all powerful?, he could help if he wanted to therefore doesnt want to help which would defy the point of an all loving god. If he wants to help but somehow cant becuse not enough people are praying why kill kids,why dosent god just forget prayer and get rid of "evil". God couldent do this for freewill becuse he knows all, why would he create freewill in the knowlage that we would choose sin and if he knows the futre there is no freewill.
Ryn2k8 3 years ago
Why? Because interfering with freewill is not just. Yes I do believe he is omnipotent. He want's to help but he doesn't because it would be interfering with our freewill (Which isn't just). He doesn't get rid of evil because evil people have freewill to commit evil. Why create freewill? Some of these you questions are just obvious. Imagine if we had no freewill and we were forced to worship God, would you like it? Of course not, that's why we have freewill.
ownage2nubs 3 years ago
Lol, 'So it was God's will that those people died' lmao. Your alone on that one, you made up that 'fact' by yourself.
God is willing and able to prevent evil, but it's just that because of freewill, and since freewill is just, humans can commit evil. He prevents it when you choose to let him enter your life and prevent it.
ownage2nubs 3 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Did u know when people had God in school we NEVER had school shootings! We turn are back on God!
timm9 3 years ago
Wow. Amazing.
TheModestAgnostic 3 years ago
timm9 FALSE! remeber when this conutry was found they said freedom of religion. If you want god in school then I want foamy the squirrl, the flying one eyes purple eater, gnomes, trolls, werewolves, the goblin that lives in my ass. Give me all these and other religions and I will let you have god in school as long I get all these and more. You really dont know anything about peace because you try to bend this act of violence in schools to try to justify god.
Krensharpaw 3 years ago 2
It's a FACT we NEVER had mass school shootings when God was in Schools. Own It.
timm9 3 years ago
what about the other schools that have different gods or at my school where most people are atheist/agnostic and theres no school shootings, own it timmy!
Ryn2k8 3 years ago
No such thing as a ALL agnostic SCHOOL. lmao!
timm9 3 years ago
Well its not a religous school its a public school so were not brainwashed with bullshit. We make our own informed choice and from everyone i know, as i said before are MOSTLY atheist and agnostic its not an all agnostic school.
Ryn2k8 3 years ago
Wrong a 2nd time public schools are not "MOSTLY atheist". Tons of polls studies show atheist only make up like 1% of the world reason their voice is never heard in a presidential race just to few votes to matter. But, you do back my point MASS school shootings have not happened at religous schools,but public schools. just a fact.
timm9 3 years ago
in fact im not wrong, your wrong, its not "like1%" its 2.35% atheist and 11.35% non religious. I never said public schools are mostly atheist/agnostic i said mine was. In scottland its 27.5% non religious, it is likely that one out of all the schools schools that one is mostly agnostic and athiest.Considering mine is not christian. Obviously a minority has less of say doesnt mean it is wrong, that would mean it gains more truth with more belivers(or non belivers).
Ryn2k8 3 years ago
People are dumber with God in school. Period
daviedave1111 3 years ago 2
It's interesting you mention free will.
All those who advocate that bad things happen is because they turn from God, are just a bunch of lunatics. God does not want people to suffer.
The Bible clearly states that the world is under the power of Satan, and it is Satan who causes evil. Not God who just watches and let evil happen.
In due time judgement will be done.
aRareKindOfMonster 4 years ago
Wow, how did you get so many insane comments?
namyda 4 years ago 2
You have thought out some very intelligent and mindblowing questions. I, too, have had the same ones. Expecially the question: why did God harden pharoah's heart? Is that taking away his free will? I do believe God is able to prevent evil but he is not malevolent because He chooses not to... that would impose upon free will. Besides, He could punish all this evil RIGHT NOW but He is merciful for the time being.
000sundancer000 4 years ago
Pharaoh's heart was already hardened, that is what people tend to leave out. When we stay in a certain state of mind long enough and refuse to move from it, God gives us what we want. There are a number of scriptures on this. If our heart is loving and compassionate, the Lord will enhance that even more also.
moonglow38 4 years ago
Exactly, you Reap what you Sow. the creator of this video shows little insight, and his opinion is worthless. You should not be disgusted at this video because they are promoting righteousness. GOODWILL is better than FREEWILL. Your lack of perspective is quite naive.
spec1alist 3 years ago
Interesting that the professor has faith in his people, when infact it is one of those people (object of his faith) that murdered other people.
It is not God doing the Killing. It is the evil in the very people the professor has his faith in. That would make me shutter to have the object of my faith to be in people, who never have my best interest at stake, always their own. What is his faith really in?
By the way, you answer nothing, just offer opinion that is unpleasant at best. Very sad...
simplykel04 4 years ago
Well it won't let me do a video response using this other video that will answer questions about why there is evil in the world. Do a search for this video:EVOLUTION AND DAWKINS GETS SLAPPED IN THE FACE (ROUND 5) (though I don't understand the title to this video, he does explain why there is evil in the world)
moonglow38 4 years ago
The only reason in many churches, people give money to the church is to pay for the expensive of running the building and paying the pastor. Those that you see on TV (not all but many) are greedy money grabbing false teachers who do take advantage of people. The bible warns us about them though, so they aren't a surprise. Check out the attached video on God and evil in this world.
moonglow38 4 years ago
I've only watched 49 seconds of this outragous and offense video and im sure I could go on all day about how you have misunderstood christianity. Read the bible and try and find the truths of Christianity! Don't judge all of us like this.
The truth is God loves every single one of us! He showed us this by dieing on the cross 2000 years ago so we woulndn't have perish, I just don't understand how anyone can reject that kind of love he has shown us.
KaerFsuseJ17 4 years ago
So god needed a blood sacrifice? Sure makes perfect sense to me....
limpnail 3 years ago
2 Peter 3:9
9 The Lord isn't really being slow about his promise, as some people think. No, he is being patient for your sake. He does not want anyone to be destroyed, but wants everyone to repent.
He has no plesaure in condeming the wicked or seeing anyone perish. GOD IS LOVE.
KaerFsuseJ17 4 years ago
And they didn't say it was a punishment of god that people killed people its the poeples own faults for choosing to perish and become wicked, they were just saying media has choosen another path rather than good which has promoted all kinds of bad stuff. And now your saying god is going to kill us if we don't worship him?!
KaerFsuseJ17 4 years ago
And who says you need to give money to god?! God was the poorest man in history Jesus Christ and it says in the bible money is the root of all kinds of evil. You probably got that from people giving money to their churches which is done to try and spread the word of god not for their own personal gain. You got Christianity all wrong and I am extremely offended by this.
KaerFsuseJ17 4 years ago
It seems like if all your faith is in people it would have been shattered by the person killing those students...that would be a logical response, I would think. At any rate, I do hope they heal from this trauma, those hurt physically and those hurt emotionally. I don't think their sense of security will ever be the same though. But really, the other video never said God makes a student go around shooting anyone, I really don't know how you got that out of it.
moonglow38 4 years ago
Honestly if you think God has that much control over us in reference to the Pharaoh, then why hasn't God forced you to believe in Him? You ask where is free will after quoting that verse, yet obviously you have free will to not believe...right? There is evil in this world because we have freewill.
moonglow38 4 years ago
I agree. Evil is a result of free will and non-belief is luxurous freedom enjoyed by many. What they don't realize is that the freedom could lead to bondage. Bondage to hedonism, carousal, sensualism, debauchery, and perhaps ultimately, hell.
000sundancer000 4 years ago
That is not what the video said. It NEVER said kids killing kids in school was God punishing anyone. Wasn't even implied. Its point was what happens in a Godless world, Godless schools, etc...WE do the killings. The KIDS do the killings. God is not making them do anything...wow what an insane twist to that video!
moonglow38 4 years ago
Thank YOU!!!!! spoken so well i have nothing else to add.
Zurius 4 years ago
Good job
ebr146 4 years ago
This rebuttal video is just a lot of drivel. The author reminds me of a whining child displeased at the discipline of his parents. The shooters at VT etc were not tools in the hands of an angry God, but products of a perverse and godless society. The apostle Paul said in Romans 1 that God will give any society over to a reprobate mind when it continually rejects His word and His son. Judgment is coming upon this world, and when God does send His wrath, it will be a time unlike any other.
cobutler1 4 years ago
It is ironically amusing that you would claim my video is drivel, and finish your post with the most inane drivel imaginable:-) See the post just above your for your rebuttal, and check out the last 200 years of philosophy, that will also help. Religion is self evident nonsense, grow up and grow out of it.
TheModestAgnostic 4 years ago
God gives people the choice to shoot people as much as he dislikes it. God wants us to make the right choices. Evil comes from us because we live in a fallen world. God made the world perfect but we actually chose to try and make ourselves god and put ourselves in power and we screwed up.That's what the whole story of adam and eve is about. the world is messed because we messed it up and chose to make it that way not because god is forcing us to be like that.
jesterguy00 4 years ago
You don't think this clashes with the idea of a God who knows everything, even before it happens? Millenia before it happens? What sort of sick monster would create a race of people knowing that choices made by a few of them, would condemn billions of them to lives of misery? Are you really happy to worship THAT? Before you tell yourself "it's a mystery", that is just a weak pussy cop out. Think about what I've said, if you have the courage.
TheModestAgnostic 4 years ago
Dude...don't take this wrong way but...ur a idiot. That video says nothing like that. I would like if you wouldn't talk out of ur butt and actually use some common sense. You'll figure your answers up
Johnathan31415 4 years ago
It is no wonder that chain letters goes on, when there are Christians on earth; because they believe just because someone have said or it is written on paper.
vishva8kumara 4 years ago
The thing that bothered me most about Virginia Tech was that it didn't horrify me. It just seemed sad. And very possible. And so much smaller than Iraq.
steve19683 4 years ago