@nottooold13 Pretty easy to armchair quarterback when you don't have all the facts.
steve767300
Steve, that is what these things are all about. We high time pilots second guessing someone who has "poked a smoking hole". Those of us who have been called "wussy" for adhereing to all the details and have never crashed, often have observational insights. One time, I absolutely refused to get into the airplane, period. They threatened me, I held fast, and the next guy stuck it in hard.
gnarkillkicksass Not being psychic and having no location/date/ nor N number to look up, finding the official crash analysis report is more than difficult. So what you are saying is that faulty maintenance combined with poor preflight, a willful weight and balance problem, and the pilot's arrogant negligence resulted in a crash?
Actually, there was one fatality, one of the 3 passengers. The 2 crew survived. This crash occurred at Muncho Lake, BC on July 8, 2007. Complicating the matter was taking off on an upslope, overweight condition and a 50-foot obstacle at end of runway.
I have a couple thousand hours of western Alaska time flying off small strips. Too me it looks like he tried to turn so he could follow the road and stay in ground effect. Obviously a bad idea. There is a reason runways are straight. I have flown very heavy many times going past the end of the runway in ground effect, but never would I consider a turn in it. As one guy here stated, you would lose lift let alone letting a wing tip hit the ground!
@sammyflyboy Muncho Lake in British Columbia. Apparently it's a non-registered dirt strip next to the lake. The strip is only 950 feet long, so it's not really much of an "airstrip".
@CAFFlyer1 If I'm not mistaken, there's another airstrip nearby (one mile) that is longer (CWWQ, 1,800 feet); this one is an unofficial strip across the road from a lodge. Why they'd want to use the shorter strip is a mystery.
Tried to post link to ASN page on the accident, but apparently that's not allowed. Additionally, the post-accident investigation revealed the plane's Center of Gravity was at the forward limit and that performance calculations hadn't been performed to determine runway needed to clear the telephone lines they clipped after the initial impact.
The TSB report for the accident states that the plane was overweight for the conditions and stalled. Not much the pilot could do to keep the wing up in that condition. Accident aircraft was C-FAWC which crashed 8 JUL 2007, killing 1 passenger.
@flanksteak2 Nope. Rudder would've only exacerbated the problem, putting the tailplane against the ground instead of the wing. Rudder doesn't effect roll that quickly or largely.
@flanksteak2 At altitude you are correct, at low level, it just makes the problem worse. That's the danger of a low altitude stall - you need altitude to recover from it, when you're 6 feet off the ground, you don't have that altitude.
Don't blame it on the aircraft weight. He was airborne 2 full seconds with no acknowledgement of the right bank. When the wing hit and tip bent, his fate was sealed. Asleep at the controls? That's incompetence any way you measure it.
Comm. Pilot here. He wasn't doing too bad until he let the bank get away from him and the right wing hit the ground. When your vertical lift vector is diverted to turning, climb disappears. Asleep at the wheel!
@nottooold13 Looked more like a wing-drop from a stall. He had full back elevator for the soft/short field technique and didn't ease off when he got airborne.
@nottooold13 Nope, read the reports. The F/O works with me now in PNG and it was a control failure compounded by improper loading (not that I have ever seen a twotter properly loaded though).
Ich bin Modellflieger und kann nicht verstehen warum der Pilot das Höhenruder während
des Startlaufs voll gezogen hat, er zwingt das Flugzeug trotz zu wenig Speed zum abheben und dann reisst die Strömung ab. Das kann nur zum Absturz führen.
@maagner I hope you can understand english, I can speak ein bischen Deutsch, aber nicht Fliegen worten. Und I think he was trying to get the plane out of ground effect, lightly float it till he got enough speed and followed it was a sharp take-off, that's what I do with real planes for short-field take-offs, it is just that he pulled out of ground effect too slow for normal climb out, leading to stall...
Das Flugzeug wird bei dem Manoever bei moeglichst geringer Geschwindigkeit zum Abheben gezwungen, dann aber durch Nachlassen des Hoehenruders im Bodeneffekt gehalten, bis es ausreichend Geschwindigkeit hat um auch ohne Bodeneffekt zu fliegen.
@johnsvideochannel I can't say I agree with your comment, I fly planes for a living and I find it beneficial to understand the circumstance and situation of how it occurred. Varying factors such as CRM, situation management, things like that. That is my opinion, I just do not like a 13 second clip of a failed take-off, I have seen too many of those..
8 July 2007, Muncho Lake, British Columbia . Overweight, initiated take-off 86 feet down the runway, uphill, light tailwind. Pilots had not calculated take-off. Struck telephone mast and telephone cable.
From the report: "An intense post-impact fire ensued and the aircraft was destroyed. One passenger suffered fatal burn injuries, one pilot was seriously burned, the other pilot sustained serious impact injuries, and the other two passengers received minor injuries."
Seriously??? smfh....-_-
antiguawars 1 day ago
BAD PILOT!!!RULE NUMBER ONE...IF YOU DON´TA HAVE THE SPEED TO TAKEOFF...DON´T DO!!!RULE NUMBER TO...SEE THE MANUALS OH THE PLANE!!!!
bernardfreirez 1 day ago
High density altitude effects STOL Aircraft too...
dklearjet 6 days ago
Anyone know more details about this crash? Airline or location?
TonyAirlines 3 weeks ago
What the fuck, did he drop his sandwich?
Majorly uffed that up.
motokid032 3 weeks ago
woops
Winstonclawfinger 3 weeks ago
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@nottooold13 Pretty easy to armchair quarterback when you don't have all the facts.
steve767300
Steve, that is what these things are all about. We high time pilots second guessing someone who has "poked a smoking hole". Those of us who have been called "wussy" for adhereing to all the details and have never crashed, often have observational insights. One time, I absolutely refused to get into the airplane, period. They threatened me, I held fast, and the next guy stuck it in hard.
nottooold13 4 weeks ago
gnarkillkicksass Not being psychic and having no location/date/ nor N number to look up, finding the official crash analysis report is more than difficult. So what you are saying is that faulty maintenance combined with poor preflight, a willful weight and balance problem, and the pilot's arrogant negligence resulted in a crash?
nottooold13 4 weeks ago
bit of left rudder wouldnt have hurt when the right wing started to drop!!
Riggor 1 month ago
thank god they lived
mopacslim 1 month ago
didn't look like the best shortfielder
tasker1986 1 month ago
Which airport?
GoingToBeAPilot1 1 month ago
... maybe the pic should have used the road???
jamwaters 1 month ago
Gust of wind under the wing!
andgate2000 1 month ago
What the fuck was that shit>?? thats why u dont rotate a twotter at 35 kts.!!!???!?
TheCessnaDriver 1 month ago
remind me of jarrasic park 3
poofthe 1 month ago
Actually, there was one fatality, one of the 3 passengers. The 2 crew survived. This crash occurred at Muncho Lake, BC on July 8, 2007. Complicating the matter was taking off on an upslope, overweight condition and a 50-foot obstacle at end of runway.
SenorSpode 2 months ago
I have a couple thousand hours of western Alaska time flying off small strips. Too me it looks like he tried to turn so he could follow the road and stay in ground effect. Obviously a bad idea. There is a reason runways are straight. I have flown very heavy many times going past the end of the runway in ground effect, but never would I consider a turn in it. As one guy here stated, you would lose lift let alone letting a wing tip hit the ground!
ssenneff 2 months ago
Go to o1:38!
RSBSTEADICAM 2 months ago
What airport/airstrip is that? NIce video
sammyflyboy 2 months ago
@sammyflyboy Muncho Lake in British Columbia. Apparently it's a non-registered dirt strip next to the lake. The strip is only 950 feet long, so it's not really much of an "airstrip".
CAFFlyer1 2 months ago
@CAFFlyer1 If I'm not mistaken, there's another airstrip nearby (one mile) that is longer (CWWQ, 1,800 feet); this one is an unofficial strip across the road from a lodge. Why they'd want to use the shorter strip is a mystery.
SenorSpode 2 months ago
@codzomz ... whats the ground effect? I`cant belive that it is possible to start up a plane
when the elevators are full up al the time.
It is possible with RC-Planes when they have enough power.
Are you a pilot and where do you come from?
maagner 2 months ago
I belive this was an stall during the Take Off!
666ecki 2 months ago
Tried to post link to ASN page on the accident, but apparently that's not allowed. Additionally, the post-accident investigation revealed the plane's Center of Gravity was at the forward limit and that performance calculations hadn't been performed to determine runway needed to clear the telephone lines they clipped after the initial impact.
CAFFlyer1 2 months ago
The TSB report for the accident states that the plane was overweight for the conditions and stalled. Not much the pilot could do to keep the wing up in that condition. Accident aircraft was C-FAWC which crashed 8 JUL 2007, killing 1 passenger.
CAFFlyer1 2 months ago
@CAFFlyer1 "Not much the pilot could do to keep the wing up in that condition.(STALL)"
Use the rudder.
flanksteak2 2 months ago
@flanksteak2 Nope. Rudder would've only exacerbated the problem, putting the tailplane against the ground instead of the wing. Rudder doesn't effect roll that quickly or largely.
CAFFlyer1 2 months ago
@CAFFlyer1 To keep a wing from dipping at low speeds, especially during a stall, I think it would be the best control surface.
flanksteak2 2 months ago
@flanksteak2 At altitude you are correct, at low level, it just makes the problem worse. That's the danger of a low altitude stall - you need altitude to recover from it, when you're 6 feet off the ground, you don't have that altitude.
CAFFlyer1 2 months ago
@CAFFlyer1 Was he out of Runway?
flanksteak2 2 months ago
@CAFFlyer1 Altitude can often determine the size of the hole you make in the ground following impact.
plastabrick 1 month ago
...unless you have the weight and balance data at hand , how can
you insist that the TO was overweight?
You don't know. It's a wild ass guess.
What was the density altitude at the time?
...density altitude? What's that?..
oh..nothing..just one of any number of factors that could have led
the pilot up the yellow brick road of bent metal.
eaterofclams 2 months ago
Don't blame it on the aircraft weight. He was airborne 2 full seconds with no acknowledgement of the right bank. When the wing hit and tip bent, his fate was sealed. Asleep at the controls? That's incompetence any way you measure it.
nottooold13 2 months ago 2
Comm. Pilot here. He wasn't doing too bad until he let the bank get away from him and the right wing hit the ground. When your vertical lift vector is diverted to turning, climb disappears. Asleep at the wheel!
nottooold13 2 months ago 14
@nottooold13 Looked more like a wing-drop from a stall. He had full back elevator for the soft/short field technique and didn't ease off when he got airborne.
frauspi 2 months ago 2
@nottooold13 Pretty easy to armchair quarterback when you don't have all the facts.
steve767300 2 months ago 3
@nottooold13 Nope, read the reports. The F/O works with me now in PNG and it was a control failure compounded by improper loading (not that I have ever seen a twotter properly loaded though).
gnarkillkicksass 1 month ago
Weight & Balance much?
MrSchpankme 2 months ago 2
The T.O. is a STOL aircraft as long as it's not overloaded as this one was apparently.
4Firearms 2 months ago
Everytime the plane actually hits, they always put the camera down. Amateurs!
64804jonjon 2 months ago 2
What a waste of a great aircraft...
micigna1112 2 months ago
DAMN! It really DID!
seq165432 2 months ago
OMG, there's something very dramatic happening. I better film this bit of tarmac that I'm standing on.
Crashboy1024 2 months ago
@SICSEMPERTYRRANNIS Dude, your comments made my eyes bleed...
HittokiriBatosai 2 months ago
looks like he tries to bunny hop for a take off LOL
KartAnimal29 2 months ago
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nolifemerc 2 months ago
@nolifemerc was Jesus flying this plane?
superjezz 2 months ago
@superjezz no u brrittish idi......
nolifemerc 2 months ago
@nolifemerc Not british, guess again.
superjezz 2 months ago
@superjezz did you see his elevators and full up al the time
nolifemerc 2 months ago
Ich bin Modellflieger und kann nicht verstehen warum der Pilot das Höhenruder während
des Startlaufs voll gezogen hat, er zwingt das Flugzeug trotz zu wenig Speed zum abheben und dann reisst die Strömung ab. Das kann nur zum Absturz führen.
maagner 2 months ago
@maagner I hope you can understand english, I can speak ein bischen Deutsch, aber nicht Fliegen worten. Und I think he was trying to get the plane out of ground effect, lightly float it till he got enough speed and followed it was a sharp take-off, that's what I do with real planes for short-field take-offs, it is just that he pulled out of ground effect too slow for normal climb out, leading to stall...
codzomz 2 months ago
@maagner das nennt man short field takeoff.
Das Flugzeug wird bei dem Manoever bei moeglichst geringer Geschwindigkeit zum Abheben gezwungen, dann aber durch Nachlassen des Hoehenruders im Bodeneffekt gehalten, bis es ausreichend Geschwindigkeit hat um auch ohne Bodeneffekt zu fliegen.
realulli 2 months ago
Looks like the right wing never did get enough lift. Not even in ground effect.
eclipser2004 2 months ago
trim the video start at the 1:30 mark.
johnsvideochannel 2 months ago 23
@johnsvideochannel I can't say I agree with your comment, I fly planes for a living and I find it beneficial to understand the circumstance and situation of how it occurred. Varying factors such as CRM, situation management, things like that. That is my opinion, I just do not like a 13 second clip of a failed take-off, I have seen too many of those..
codzomz 2 months ago
whata shit runway to take off in a commercial aircraft..fuk my life if I ever end up working in those conditions
DKF22 2 months ago
looks like he lets his right wing drop i do not know why
PYE172 3 months ago
@PYE172 Simple. The right wing stalled.
blampa 2 months ago
8 July 2007, Muncho Lake, British Columbia . Overweight, initiated take-off 86 feet down the runway, uphill, light tailwind. Pilots had not calculated take-off. Struck telephone mast and telephone cable.
From the report: "An intense post-impact fire ensued and the aircraft was destroyed. One passenger suffered fatal burn injuries, one pilot was seriously burned, the other pilot sustained serious impact injuries, and the other two passengers received minor injuries."
jombo222 3 months ago
Shitty runway.
mybluebelly 3 months ago
The twin otter can do a lot of stuff, but overloaded , short field can catch up with you.
bigbull2000 4 months ago
hope everyone take this clear sample in consideration
stealhty1 6 months ago
Dang hope everyone was ok
XxIceCavexX 7 months ago