i met sam harris yesterday and we discussed my theory. he was very impressed and said it should be made public. i have posted it on you-tube site "un human rights chief highlights australian".
@helptheherd i'm an Atheist and was wondering what to do today. Hmmm, stone my children to death? No. Ummm, sacrifice 16 virgins to God? No. Umm, slaughter a goat? Oh, I forgot, I'm an atheist so like you said I will do some evil, let me get some ideas from the Bible. Suicide? I love myself more than any God you knuckle head.
@paramattic70 no you'll just spend the day telling your children God doesnt exist- i feel sorry for your children- the government should take your children away- it should be illegal for atheists to have children
I for one like the perspective that Athiests don't hold on to any belief. That itself is not a belief, it is NOT having a belief. Without evidence, why would we sign up to any superstition?
@MrTubetown Atheism is not better by definition. There are loads of religious people, that are good people. But I personally believe that they would be good even if they weren't religious. The problem is however that people who are religious are compelled to believe whatever their doctrine tells them too, at least in most cases. And like most atheists agree on, many aspects of religion are in fact immoral or just plain harmful to society.
That's my point - that atheists tend to believe those things - that religion is immoral and harmful, etc, etc. There is plenty of scientific evidence to show that religon is not a purely negative influence, and that it's probably an evolutionary adaptation with net benefits. Many atheists ignore all this preferring to cling firmly to their belief that religion is purely noxious and must be eradicated. It's not a reasonable nor scientific position.
@MrTubetown I'm perfectly sure that believeing religious makes you happy. I have problems believing that at all. I'm for anything that makes people happy. What I am not for however, is people telling me that I need to believe as they do or I will be tormented for all eternity in a lake of fire. If this belief makes them happy, there is something seriously wrong with them, and I am going to tell them even if they don't want to listen.
OMG...did I just see an add for scientology...before a Sam Harris video? D: Well, if anyone ever wanted an example of how a religion can be shown to be false and still be widely believed, here it is.
@helptheherd...... Silly christian. Who needs comedy shows when I can get a good laugh from your hate filled nonsense? Thank you for the comic relief. Satan bless you. :-)
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@lewisner you are partly right. but back then physics was part of natural philosophy. what we understand as physics (with experiments and the scientific method and so on) did not develop into an own discipline until the 14th/15th century. calling Archimedes a physicist would be like calling Paracelsus a chemist (when he was really an alchemist).
@cause4reason So who was the person who "invented" physics? If I am partly right then Sam Harris is partly wrong. Even if Archimedes et al embraced some of the wacky ideas of the time that doesn't mean they didn't lay the ground rules.
@lewisner I don't think any one person "invented" physics. And I never said you or Sam Harris are absolutely right or wrong. But Sam's statement isn't "nonsense" as you stated previously.
I think people attack religion because its an easy target and requires absolutely no personal sacrifices or risks. Its much easier than attacking government, or the IMF, or a large corporation. Doing such might actually entail some personal risk. The day someone loses their job, or gets ripped off, or gets unjustly thrown in prison because of a Western religious organization let me know. As it is now attacking religion is just beating a dead horse. Get over yourselves already...
Relgion is not a cult, nor government propaganda. We are suppose to have freedom of religious choice, and freedom to worship what we want. WHY DOES HARRIS DENY US THESE FREEDOMS? Communism is not a religion, or they would have known "thou shalt not kill." And lastly, scientists have given us the a bomb, which we all live in fear of now. Scientists have also stupidly shortened our food supply by creating seeds that no longer reproduce. Scientists have placed carcinogenic floride in our ...
@Kerrbie141 huh ???? 'science' gave us the internet to which you are babbling your guts out to. why do the majority of 'atheist haters' come onto youtube with their retarded logic - only to come across sounding bat-sh*t crazy!?
@Kerrbie141 yes, science gave us a lot of other stuff. but it also gave us antibiotics, electric light, computers and a lot of other good stuff. science and knowledge aren't inherently good or evil, it's what you use it for that defines its worth. and allow me to mention that freedom of religion can also mean freedom from religion. atheists aren't denying anything, but rather encouraging ppl to abandon silly beliefs that were proven to be untrue and have held humanity back for 1000 years.
People are doing this shit wrong, talking about atheism as if it was a religion. I'm an atheist, and I keep my ideas, I don't throw them to other people's face. If we do it we are no better than catholics
@RamirezRazta "In real life" (not the internet) I keep my views to myself until xtians try to throw their beliefs in my face, as they regularly do. When they start the argument I finish it.
@RamirezRazta Did you actually watch the video? Comparing atheism to a religion is, as they say, like saying that NOT collecting stamps is a hobby. Atheism, no matter how militant or in your face, has no comparison to religion.
@theguythatcouldfly Atheism is not a religion, but nor is its opposite ‘theism’. They are both just beliefs about what exist. A ‘religion’ on the other hand includes instruction on how to behave.
So yes, atheism is not a religion, but nor is its opposite. So it is a bit like saying ‘atheism is not a cherry’. No, it isn’t. But nor is its opponent.
@Clear404 The philosophy of religion requires one to be close-minded, to accept dogma, and to be a theist. Atheism is the opposite of those. Someone compared atheism to religion, and I was setting them straight. Atheism is not a belief about what exists(s). It is a belief about what does not exist, but it is made of facts, and can change over time. Religion is not, and cannot.
@theguythatcouldfly Atheism is the belief that God does not exist. the opposite of atheism is 'theism' - the belief that God does exist. Theism is not a 'religion'. It is just the belief that God exists. It is not the belief that God wrote the bible or that God wants us to eat cheese on tuesdays etc.
"Few are willing to brave the disapproval of their fellows, the censure of their colleagues, the wrath of their society. Moral courage is a rarer commodity than bravery in battle or great intelligence. Yet it is the one essential, vital quality for those who seek to change a world that yields most painfully to change. And I believe that in this generation those with the courage to enter the moral conflict will find themselves with companions in every corner of the globe."
@RamirezRazta The foundation of everything we know today is because people shared their ideas. If ideas weren't shared, we wouldn't be anywhere, and that holds true for not only the past, but the present and the future. However, the reason Catholics shouldn't do it, is because their ideology is faith based. It goes beyond a traditional debate, where both people are exposed to the facts, but have different opinions. One side believes in something that isn't true.
you non-atheists have to be careful of the contradictive nature of the words you use towards atheists. words like ignorant, irrational, assuming etc by their very definition are all words based around the ABSENCE of fair unbiased reason.
Atheism is soly based on the PRESENCE of fair unbiased reason in explaining that which we don't understand.
religion is centered on exculsive belief without a WANT to reason. or... to be ignorant. you make up your mind before weighing up all possibilites. pity
how can people trust scientists when they havent even been on the moon. Look at the dokumentary moonhoax, and learn the real truth about the moonlanding.
@fettkatt87 that's like saying "how can people trust historians when christopher columbus didn't even discover america?". even if we hadn't been to the moon, which is a silly thing to say, btw, would not discredit all of science. a better question would be, how can ppl trust the bible, when there wasn't even a census under emperor augustus?
Atheism isn't "against" anything. It's only the rejection of claims made about god(s). Every chrisian is an atheist in regards to every god other than their own.
@Helptheherd It doesn't matter what you want atheism to be against, it is simply the rejection of the idea that there is any supernatural force. To say "atheism is against God not religion" is like saying people who do not believe in unicorns are against unicorns. In the context of that metaphor you are the unicorn believer, and we are the ones who simply believe that they do not exist. (We were not created by a god with his morals, we created a god with our morals of the time. Just my opinion)
@Reveletur what? did you mention religion to me? i thought you mentioned babies being eaten- i adressed that btw...if you are mentioning religion now in regards to atheism then i would simply repeat that atheism is not against religion it is against God
@Helptheherd Any scenario mentioning God as if he actually exists is purely hypothetical, I'm using hypothetical situations to prove he cannot exist in reality. I wouldn't expect a believer to be smart enough to pick that up though, so you are forgiven.
PS. Asking God to bless someone is like trying to telepathically communicate with your imaginary friend, sounds a little insane to me. Oh well, whatever floats your boat :)
@theBartone9119 oh okay- i didnt know you proved anything- must be another issue of my lack of intelligence- please forgive me again- oh and thanks for clearing that up ;)
@Helptheherd Classic projection. Just because the idea of atheism makes you want to kill yourself, doesn't mean it makes everyone else want to. Maybe if you enjoyed this life more, atheism wouldn't seem so depressing.
@cause4reason well i dont see how you can really deny what i said if you dont even have a clue as to why i said it- go figure out some possible reasons- when you have them let me know and we can proceed
@Helptheherd I am not the one making the claim. You can't just spout some random statement and when someone disagrees with you or asks you how you came to that conclusion, say "Well, you go figure out why I am right!". If I took guess, I'd say, you read it on Conservapedia, right?
@cause4reason well excuse me but i have said all the things i say for years now- if anything whatever site that is got it from me- i have no reason to copy people- my logic is already greater than all others i have seen- the logic i have is only possible because of the incomparable truth that i have learned from Jesus who is our Lord and saviour
@Helptheherd Well, I can't really tell at this point if you are just trolling me, but I'm gonna take on last shot before give up. I read on your channel page that you like helping people. Maybe you would be so kind and help me to understand by laying out your argument? If you could make a bulletproof logical argument as to why atheism is the path to suicide, that I can't refute, I would agree with you. How about that?
@Helptheherd What?! I am not the one behaving troll-like here! I am asking you serious questions and trying to engage in a real discussion. You are the one that is evasive and contributing nothing to the actual argument! All I want you to say is something like "atheism is the path to suicide because being an atheist means X, Y & Z and therefore leads to inevitable suicide." Is that so much to ask?
@cause4reason hmmm well, saying that suicide is the path to suicide is pretty effective dont you think- do you really think its such a hard concept to understand? im sure you can figure it out- okay let me know cya atheist troll
@Helptheherd You didn't say "suicide is the path to suicide", you said "atheism is the path to suicide". But whatever. I am not gonna waste any more time trying to get a straight answer out of you. You are an idiot and a troll and I have much better things to do and more interesting people to debate. Hope you had fun though.
@aDislikeBot what are you talking about- no one is coming here because atheists "choose to accept reality" you retard- we're coming here because you choose to spread atheism to children-you're against God so you tell children that God doesnt exist- atheism is evil -you're pathetic- get a life
@Helptheherd If you really honestly believe your specific god exists, why do you feel the need to come here and attention seek to try and get a reaction from atheists?
Also, you talk about atheism as if its a religion of its own, no, you can't spread it to children, its the lack of a believe in all the fictional gods man kind has come up with. And if your god did exist, that would disgust me, because it would mean he lets third world poverty, and other things like that go on.
@Helptheherd First of all which "god" do you believe in? Second the reason intelligent and educated people don't think there are any gods, is because there is no logical reason to, but if you could provide me with a reason i'm listening.
@aDislikeBot atheism is not a lack of belief in God- its an evil belief system that has little losers with no life like you that go around spreading it as if it is of some sort of logical reasoning- you are a doubt worshiper- atheism is the path to suicide- you are a threat to society- we dont trust you- we dont want to trust you
@aDislikeBot Dude, don't get into an argument with Helptheherd, he's a troll. There is no way to get a straight answer out of him, don't waste your time. Trust me, I've been there ;)
@Helptheherd hey arent we atheist all going to hell ? stop saying god bless ,because acording to your beliefs we cant be blessed anyways ...btw just a fun fact for you ,your comments on this video only reinforce the position you try to discredit. So for that i thank you . cheers
@Helptheherd you are very heartfelt ...thank you once again on reinforcing atheism and the arguments put forth in this video . plz continu you are awesome! ATHEISM FTW
You've gotta take off that stage pass Sam. Too many naive people will see that as you speaking on behalf of Allstate or any of those sponsors. They have absolutely no say in the truths that you eloquently convey.
Peace, I humbly invite atheists / non muslims to watch the following 10 part series on youtube called :
The Divine Book (pt.1/10)
This series will present divine proof from our Creator, it will uncover shocking truths, as well as attempt to provide light, wisdom, guidance, and unity for those who seek it.
"There seems to be a body of data attesting to the reality of psychic phenomena, much of which has been ignored by mainstream science...." "...I believe that this field of study has been unfairly stigmatized"
Sam on xenoglossy/reincarnation:
"When a kid starts speaking Bengali , we have no idea scientifically what's going on"
Sam on torture:
"the practice of torture, in certain circumstances, would seem to be not only permissible, but necessary"
@MrTubetown None of those quotes imply that Harris "believes" in any of those. Acknowledging that something cannot be explained by science is not putting forth an alternative claim. I don't think that quote about torture is very outrageous either. A lot of people hold that view. I may or may not agree with it, but it's not like that is shocking or something.
"None of those quotes imply that Harris "believes" in any of those"
If he doesn't believe in them then why does he defend them, and say there is data attesting to them, and why does he complain that science ignores them?
"I don't think that quote about torture is very outrageous either. A lot of people hold that view. "
Yes, I realise a lot of people support torture. It doesn't make it right.
@MrTubetown I don't know why he defends them. Maybe he does believe them. But I know that you can't assume that from those quotes. For example, I can acknowledge that there is evidence for out of body experiences, but that doesn't mean I believe them. I don't read Sam Harris nor do I know the context of those quotes. But I know that its flawed logic to assume what you're assuming
But don't you find it strange that Sam Harris - the pin-up boy of atheism/skepticism/reason - is out there defending the existence of paranormal activity and reincarnation?
@MegaSage007 what the fuck is wrong with you? North Korea's propaganda ministry publish countless accounts of how Kim Il Sung and Kim Jong Il are superhuman demigods. For example, it is said in N.Korea that upon Kim Jong Il's birth a new star appeared in the sky. N.Korea's government's official title for Sung Il is "eternal leader," and his portrait is worshiped and praised no differently than a cross. You are an ignorant Fucktard! N.Korea is run by a faith cult!
I have only just discovered Sam Harris, and I'm so glad I did. He seems to have a way of putting my own thoughts into words that I could not have come up with myself, while at the same time introducing me to new concepts and new ways of thinking that I also could not have come up with myself. Listening to him is like watching a door open. He's opening doors for free thinkers everywhere.
Atheis believes there is no god no master no nothing. It is Agnostic that this guy is depicting. In the infinite universe that propably has exsisted very very long there is likely to be lifeforms strong enough to form entire planets. Ofc atheist completely denies that and any form of anything so dont pretend anything. Ps. -Agnostic
Agnosticism is an epistemic position that the answer to the "god question" is inherently unknowable with any certainty.
Theism vs. atheism, on the other hand, are positions of personal belief. Agnosticism isn't some midway point between them or anything like that. Most, or at least many, atheists are also agnostics, btw.
@BelieveandtrustJesus rofl, you know nothing of your own religion which is just embarrassing and you know even less about science.
People like you are the reason there are wars, famine, disease in this world. Then you act all holier than though when in reality you are a pure sadist.
You both come across as quite sadistic to be honest. He's relishing the thought of unbelievers burning in hell. You relish the idea of people like him getting deadly diseases. It's all pretty messed up...
@BelieveandtrustJesus lol, you are such a loser... you can't possibly believe in hell, no one can be that stupid... oh wait your Australian.... i guess you can.
Future generations will look back on this time period, they'll look at people like you and think: What a bunch of stupid cunts.
@NoWitnessesNoRegrets I'm an atheist so I'm not criticising you based on that aspect of your comment. However, I have to say that I object to your labeling all Australians as stupid. I'm an Australian and while there are, of course, stupid people here, I wouldn't say that the ratio is disproportionate as compared to the rest of the world. Shouldn't atheists be against arbitrary characterisations? Do you have evidence that all Australians are stupid? BTW, it's "YOU'RE Australian".... Not "your"
@NoWitnessesNoRegrets it's people like you that make religious people despise atheists because they think, from you, atheists are all ignorantly doing 'evil' things, from ur filthy language and lack of understanding. i would say in many respect u r religious, tho u don't believe in a god, u believe in 'facts' without verifying them, which is not what atheism is about. im atheist and an australian, and i do not condone ur shallow understanding of atheism.
@cantforgetthis "Filthy" language is completely irrelevant. Words like "cunt" and "fuck" and "shit" are simply words that are used on occasion to add colorful inflection to our speech in order to more effectively stress a particular point or emotion.
There is no "bad" language. Only language that has - through years of religious and societal influence - been uselessly labeled as "bad". The nouns or verbs one uses are no more "bad" than his or her hair style.
@SeedsOfHatred last reply. i can see that you're a pretty narrow minded person. so in your world view swearing at some1 is ok, because there is no good or bad language, it's just language. the problem is you seem to lack the understanding that there is a social contract which deems said words 'bad'. this same social contract is also the scientific base for morality, otherwise there's no good or bad doing. meaning to draw? it's relevant.
@cantforgetthis How exactly am I "narrow-minded"? You're correct, language is just language. Words are not "bad", because they are words. Sound waves moving across air particles that we, as humans, have decided to place meaning to, when really, they mean nothing at all.
So no, "filthy" language is not relevant at all. If you want to speak about "insulting" someone, that's a different matter (also a subjective one). But the words themselves are not "bad".
@SeedsOfHatred ok i c the problem. you are confused with 'sounds' coming from a person's mouth as opposed to 'language'. sounds by itself have no meaning as u pointed out. language is given meaning by people. so when you use 'filthy' language yes its just sounds, but bcoz ppl created its meaning they understand it to be 'bad'. meaning and words cant be separated, otherwise it's just nonsense. so again, it's relevant. 'filthy' is given meaning; negative connotations abt a subject. bye
@cantforgetthis I'm not confused about anything, kiddo. I'm simply stating that all words used in any language are used to communicate feeling and ideas. Some of these words are - for completely idiotic reasons - considered "bad" by SOME societies. British TV has no problem with "shit" and "fuck", and yet, US TV does. Why? Because these words are not inherantly "bad" or "filthy". They're simply words. Nothing more, nothing less. It's time to grow up and get over your aversion to "naughty words".
@cantforgetthis Additionally, your original point seemed to be the implication that the other person's use of "filthy language" somehow invalidates his point. I assume the reason is because such words are - in your illogical view - inherantly bad.
And yet, if I say "The Sun is fucking hot today", it in no way invalidates my point that the Sun is hot, does it? No, it doesn't. If your implication held any water, the word "fucking" would have made me wrong in the suggestion that the Sun is hot.
@SeedsOfHatred i think you are confused, i never indicated that it invalidates your point. but rather using 'filthy' language when making your point (true or not) does not make progress, you will instead face a perpetual clash of stupidity and it just reveals that you're a bigot.
@cantforgetthis Bad language does not inhibit progress, either. Not unless my audience gets up their own ass (exhibit A) with the needless dynamics of their own offense. In which case, they don't have the intellect to be engaging in a debate to begin with. Anyone who gets hung up on a "bad" word here or there isn't seeing the full argument and is thus narrow-minded.
Like I said, time to grow up and get over being offended. Because the truth is, you don't even know why you're offended.
@SeedsOfHatred seems like i encountered a mindless bigot. that's a real joke what you just claimed. i think my previous point is very universal but ur inability to grasp common sense says a lot abt u. ur ignorance is what gives rise to offence, labeling all australians stupid, a needless/mindless statement to mock ur opponent.altho i agreed with ur comment to that person in large, i dont agree with the statement. any intellect would know to verify their statement.
Hey kiddo? Go back and take a look at the previous comments. You've been arguing with two different people. The OTHER guy mentioned Australia.
See, this is why I just can't put any faith in your argument. You can't even pay attention long enough to see who you're talking to, let alone listen to their logic.
Next, the church purges in Russia began in 1918... Do you really think all Russians became atheists in 1918 and then all went on a 'good ole' church burning session?
In fact the four largest cathedrals in Russia are all visible from Stalins office!
Maybe you'd like some time to find out 'why' the communists actually purged the orthodox church in Russia rather than ignoring lessons of history.?
There is an answer... and it's nothing to do with 'cos they were all atheists'
@Oldtinear Pulling up any political ideology of choice and claiming 'see these were atheists look what they done' is a pretty silly road to travel. Not least because its simply not observed in society .
So, if there were any correlation whatsoever then you could expect atheists to be represented heavily in prisons. That would be a reasonable expectation if they had no moral values.
But from the data we do have atheists are 25 times 'less' likely to wind up behind bars.
communism has stunning similarity with religion, if u dont believe in religion u go to hell, if u dont believe in Marxism u go to work camp or executed immediately, both allow no choices and free will, plus the leader in a traditional communist country is generally treated as a god
@KuhoinX 'communism has stunning similarity with religion'
I agree, They are both irrational belief systems, irrational because they are not based on evidence. They both set something up as higher than the interests of people. In religion's case this is God; in Communism's the State. Killing people can then be justified, and has been, by claiming that it is in the Higher Interest.
There's something about scientific atheists and agnostics that have a tremendous amount of grounding, poise and confidence compared to the 'wild eyed' religious fanatics out there that hide behind a fake plastered smile. It's because guys like Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens and many others know that they are not living the lie that is religion, they are truly enlightened and intellectually emancipated human beings. Keep up the good work Sam.
Atheism is a belief about what exists: a belief that there is no god or gods. Now, whether there is or not has nothing to do with the consequences of the belief.
Here are some consequences of atheism: a) this is definitely the only life we have b) there is definitely no ultimate justice c) morality and self-interest are now, to some extent, in tension.
a, b, and c are all bad consequences. That doesn't mean atheism is false. But those ARE bad consequences.
@Clear404 I agree with you on you premise but I would like to ask you some questions: why are a, b & c bad consequences? a isn't bad. the belief that this is my only live is what gives it urgency and meaning. and what do you mean by "ultimate justice" in c? is it just to be reborn as a banana-slug because I eat beef? Is it just because I once looked at a woman with lust that I should burn for all eternity? please clarify. and why would c be correct? how do you define morality?
@cause4reason I don't know what I said in the original post as I can't find it. I'm assuming I pointed out that if atheism is true there would be no right or wrong. I think that's correct and can give my reasons if you're interested. As to burning in hell for eternity - it always amazes me that atheists seem incapable of grasping that christianity and belief in God are different and that though I believe in God I think christianity (and every other religion) is MAD.
@Clear404 Your original post was flagged for spam. Allow me to repost the relevant parts:
"Atheism is a belief about what exists: belief that there is no god or gods. Whether there is or not has nothing to do with the consequences of the belief.
Here are some consequences of atheism: a) this is definitely the only life we have b) there is definitely no ultimate justice c) morality and self-interest are now, to some extent, in tension. a, b, and c are all bad consequences."
@Clear404 I am not just referring to Christianity, that's why I mentioned the reincarnation as a banana-slug. Hell isn't exclusive to Christianity, Islam has it, too. What really interested me is your definition of "ultimate justice" and why morality and self-interest are in conflict if no god exists? Isn't that the nature of morality (to be in conflict with self-interest)? And why & how would the fact of god existing change that? And what is so bad about this life being the only life we have?
@cause4reason I think ALL religions are mad. All of them. Belief in God does not entail ANY religion at all.
Morality is not about self-interest. But that doesn’t mean it cannot coincide with self-interest. It doesn’t if there’s no God (that’s obvious). However it may do if there IS a God. Indeed, the ONLY way in which morality and self-interest could coincide for all of us is if there’s a God.
@cause4reason Two things: I take morality to exist and think it more obvious that morality exists than that God does (but I think it entails that God exists). I also take it that it is praiseworthy to act from a sense of duty, and that acting from self-interest is not praiseworthy. This is consistent with acting from duty being in one’s self-interest. The fact something is in one’s interests, does not mean that one acted from self-interest.
@cause4reason Let me also just say what I undestand by ‘justice’. Justice is the apportionment of goods and bads to virtue and vice. So, a just world is one in which the virtuous receive goods in proportion to their virtue, and the vicious receive bads in proportion to their vice. In this world this does not happen. It is possible to live a virtuous but unpleasant life of great suffering, and possible to lead a vicious life of great pleasure. This is bad, isn't it?
The moral argument depends of course on the existence of morality, however many people doubt the existence of morality. Why do you think morality is real?
@MrTubetown The case for anything is only as strong as the plausibility of the premises it is built on.
The claim that it is wrong to torture an innocent strikes most of us as self-evident. The claim that there is nothing wrong with torturing an innocent is deeply implausible. If atheism entails the latter, then the case for atheism is significantly weakened (perhaps undermined), wouldn’t you agree?
Assuming those moral intuitions are correct then I agree the case for atheism would appear to be weakened, for how could such intuitions be considered correct in the absense of an underlying moral order against which to gauge them? That being said, there is a respectable line of thought which argues that our moral intuitions are not correct. I hope the moral skeptics are wrong, but I'm not sure. Aside from intuition, I haven't yet heard a strong argument against them.
@MrTubetown Most of us have a moral sense. We sense that some things are right and others wrong. We have a moral terminology precisely because we sense a moral dimension to the universe. If something appears to be a certain way, then the default is that it is that way until good reason has been given to think otherwise. Everyone must accept that principle (known as the principle of phenomenal conservatism) else be unable to justify believing anything at all. Cont'd...
@MrTubetown Cont’d….so the burden of proof is very much on the moral nihilist. I’m not yet saying the nihilist cannot discharge that burden (though I think they cannot). I’m just laying out the dialectical situation. It appears to most of us that there is a moral dimension to the universe. Other things being equal, a theory of the universe that accommodates that appearance is to be preferred to one that does not. Cont'd...
@MrTubetown Cont’d….so, if atheism entails that the moral dimension to the universe does not exist (and I hold it does entail this) then atheism conflicts with appearances. Appearances are more or less ‘strong’, more or less ‘self evident’. Moral appearances are (to most of us) very strong indeed. So this is a black mark against atheism. Other things being equal, if there is an alternative world-view that vindicates our moral sense, it is rationally to be preferred.
@MrTubetown Of course, it may well be that other things are not equal and that the case for atheism is sufficiently strong that we should simply reject our moral sense as illusory. I don’t think so, but, well, that’s a matter for debate. The point I am making is that if atheism does entail that morality is illusory, this is a cost – a reason ‘against’ atheism. Whether decisive is another matter.
@MrTubetown You say there is a strong line of argument for moral nihilism. Well, there is if there’s a strong case for atheism! That’s my point! Atheism entails moral nihilism. But moral nihilism is prima facie implausible. If you don’t believe me, go and get yourself mugged and feel how strongly you sense the injustice of what just happened to you. Atheism entails that experience of injustice was an illusion.
@Timohawk If aliens came to earth and said "Hey, did you hear about this awesome guy, Jesus?" that would really through me off and maybe even turn me into a believer (pretty much the only thing short of Jesus physically appearing before me)
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i met sam harris yesterday and we discussed my theory. he was very impressed and said it should be made public. i have posted it on you-tube site "un human rights chief highlights australian".
figbat1 1 week ago
Sam harris! Treat all abrahamic religions including judaism! You cast doubts on your motives.
crypto986 1 week ago
@helptheherd i'm an Atheist and was wondering what to do today. Hmmm, stone my children to death? No. Ummm, sacrifice 16 virgins to God? No. Umm, slaughter a goat? Oh, I forgot, I'm an atheist so like you said I will do some evil, let me get some ideas from the Bible. Suicide? I love myself more than any God you knuckle head.
paramattic70 2 weeks ago
@paramattic70 no you'll just spend the day telling your children God doesnt exist- i feel sorry for your children- the government should take your children away- it should be illegal for atheists to have children
God bless
Helptheherd 2 weeks ago
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@Helptheherd 'it should be illegal for atheists to have children'
I agree, and I think all other animals should have their young taken away until they profess some Christian following also.
Down with godless badgers!
weefeatures 1 week ago
@helptheherd Arguing with a Christian is like wrestling a pig. In the end, you're both covered in shit and the pig is still a pig.
paramattic70 2 weeks ago 38
@paramattic70 And are you still you...?
yardgoods 2 days ago
I for one like the perspective that Athiests don't hold on to any belief. That itself is not a belief, it is NOT having a belief. Without evidence, why would we sign up to any superstition?
epicdeed 2 weeks ago 9
@epicdeed
"I for one like the perspective that Athiests don't hold on to any belief."
In theory perhaps, but in practice atheists tend to hold many beliefs. Atheists tend to believe that:
-Religion is evil
-Atheism is good
-Atheists are smarter, more moral and generally better than religious people.
MrTubetown 2 weeks ago
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@MrTubetown "In theory perhaps, but in practice atheists tend to hold many beliefs. Atheists tend to believe that:
-Religion is evil
-Atheism is good
-Atheists are smarter, more moral and generally better than religious people."
Any evidence to back that up?
Atheism is the absence of belief in gods, nothing more, nothing less.
thomaseshuis 2 weeks ago
@MrTubetown Atheism is not better by definition. There are loads of religious people, that are good people. But I personally believe that they would be good even if they weren't religious. The problem is however that people who are religious are compelled to believe whatever their doctrine tells them too, at least in most cases. And like most atheists agree on, many aspects of religion are in fact immoral or just plain harmful to society.
Faerlon123 2 weeks ago
@Faerlon123
That's my point - that atheists tend to believe those things - that religion is immoral and harmful, etc, etc. There is plenty of scientific evidence to show that religon is not a purely negative influence, and that it's probably an evolutionary adaptation with net benefits. Many atheists ignore all this preferring to cling firmly to their belief that religion is purely noxious and must be eradicated. It's not a reasonable nor scientific position.
MrTubetown 2 weeks ago
@MrTubetown I'm perfectly sure that believeing religious makes you happy. I have problems believing that at all. I'm for anything that makes people happy. What I am not for however, is people telling me that I need to believe as they do or I will be tormented for all eternity in a lake of fire. If this belief makes them happy, there is something seriously wrong with them, and I am going to tell them even if they don't want to listen.
Faerlon123 2 weeks ago 2
@epicdeed - Why would we sign up to any theory?
xchargerOUx 5 days ago
OMG...did I just see an add for scientology...before a Sam Harris video? D: Well, if anyone ever wanted an example of how a religion can be shown to be false and still be widely believed, here it is.
Ticky21 2 weeks ago
Anyone else get the mormon scientist ad before the video? What a joke.
EvanGillam 3 weeks ago
@helptheherd...... Silly christian. Who needs comedy shows when I can get a good laugh from your hate filled nonsense? Thank you for the comic relief. Satan bless you. :-)
magicabbie 3 weeks ago
@magicabbie atheism is evil
Helptheherd 2 weeks ago
Interesting that the ad for this video was an "...and i'm a mormon" ad
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JezusSlave 1 month ago
Sam's statement that "christians invented physics" is nonsense. Archimedes was a physicist by any definition and he wasn't a christian.
lewisner 1 month ago
@lewisner you are partly right. but back then physics was part of natural philosophy. what we understand as physics (with experiments and the scientific method and so on) did not develop into an own discipline until the 14th/15th century. calling Archimedes a physicist would be like calling Paracelsus a chemist (when he was really an alchemist).
cause4reason 1 month ago
@cause4reason So who was the person who "invented" physics? If I am partly right then Sam Harris is partly wrong. Even if Archimedes et al embraced some of the wacky ideas of the time that doesn't mean they didn't lay the ground rules.
lewisner 1 month ago
@lewisner I don't think any one person "invented" physics. And I never said you or Sam Harris are absolutely right or wrong. But Sam's statement isn't "nonsense" as you stated previously.
cause4reason 1 month ago
I think people attack religion because its an easy target and requires absolutely no personal sacrifices or risks. Its much easier than attacking government, or the IMF, or a large corporation. Doing such might actually entail some personal risk. The day someone loses their job, or gets ripped off, or gets unjustly thrown in prison because of a Western religious organization let me know. As it is now attacking religion is just beating a dead horse. Get over yourselves already...
duckdown1993 1 month ago
@duckdown1993
Western religions have done all that and far worse. I don't get what point you are trying to make with your analogy.
genxtargetmarket 1 month ago
Religion: where logic goes to die.
dkthg 1 month ago
Relgion is not a cult, nor government propaganda. We are suppose to have freedom of religious choice, and freedom to worship what we want. WHY DOES HARRIS DENY US THESE FREEDOMS? Communism is not a religion, or they would have known "thou shalt not kill." And lastly, scientists have given us the a bomb, which we all live in fear of now. Scientists have also stupidly shortened our food supply by creating seeds that no longer reproduce. Scientists have placed carcinogenic floride in our ...
Kerrbie141 1 month ago
@Kerrbie141 huh ???? 'science' gave us the internet to which you are babbling your guts out to. why do the majority of 'atheist haters' come onto youtube with their retarded logic - only to come across sounding bat-sh*t crazy!?
majorj0nny 1 month ago
@majorj0nny why do atheists always resort to name-calling? just saying....
2rthinluv 1 month ago
@Kerrbie141 yes, science gave us a lot of other stuff. but it also gave us antibiotics, electric light, computers and a lot of other good stuff. science and knowledge aren't inherently good or evil, it's what you use it for that defines its worth. and allow me to mention that freedom of religion can also mean freedom from religion. atheists aren't denying anything, but rather encouraging ppl to abandon silly beliefs that were proven to be untrue and have held humanity back for 1000 years.
cause4reason 1 month ago
Not true.
Kerrbie141 1 month ago
People are doing this shit wrong, talking about atheism as if it was a religion. I'm an atheist, and I keep my ideas, I don't throw them to other people's face. If we do it we are no better than catholics
RamirezRazta 1 month ago
@RamirezRazta "In real life" (not the internet) I keep my views to myself until xtians try to throw their beliefs in my face, as they regularly do. When they start the argument I finish it.
lewisner 1 month ago
@RamirezRazta Did you actually watch the video? Comparing atheism to a religion is, as they say, like saying that NOT collecting stamps is a hobby. Atheism, no matter how militant or in your face, has no comparison to religion.
theguythatcouldfly 3 weeks ago
@theguythatcouldfly Atheism is not a religion, but nor is its opposite ‘theism’. They are both just beliefs about what exist. A ‘religion’ on the other hand includes instruction on how to behave.
So yes, atheism is not a religion, but nor is its opposite. So it is a bit like saying ‘atheism is not a cherry’. No, it isn’t. But nor is its opponent.
Clear404 3 weeks ago
@Clear404 The philosophy of religion requires one to be close-minded, to accept dogma, and to be a theist. Atheism is the opposite of those. Someone compared atheism to religion, and I was setting them straight. Atheism is not a belief about what exists(s). It is a belief about what does not exist, but it is made of facts, and can change over time. Religion is not, and cannot.
theguythatcouldfly 3 weeks ago
@theguythatcouldfly Atheism is the belief that God does not exist. the opposite of atheism is 'theism' - the belief that God does exist. Theism is not a 'religion'. It is just the belief that God exists. It is not the belief that God wrote the bible or that God wants us to eat cheese on tuesdays etc.
Clear404 3 weeks ago
"Few are willing to brave the disapproval of their fellows, the censure of their colleagues, the wrath of their society. Moral courage is a rarer commodity than bravery in battle or great intelligence. Yet it is the one essential, vital quality for those who seek to change a world that yields most painfully to change. And I believe that in this generation those with the courage to enter the moral conflict will find themselves with companions in every corner of the globe."
theguythatcouldfly 3 weeks ago
@RamirezRazta The foundation of everything we know today is because people shared their ideas. If ideas weren't shared, we wouldn't be anywhere, and that holds true for not only the past, but the present and the future. However, the reason Catholics shouldn't do it, is because their ideology is faith based. It goes beyond a traditional debate, where both people are exposed to the facts, but have different opinions. One side believes in something that isn't true.
seanpull 3 weeks ago
@RamirezRazta Telling the truth is different from preaching a holy book with no evidence
camgan1 3 weeks ago 2
you non-atheists have to be careful of the contradictive nature of the words you use towards atheists. words like ignorant, irrational, assuming etc by their very definition are all words based around the ABSENCE of fair unbiased reason.
Atheism is soly based on the PRESENCE of fair unbiased reason in explaining that which we don't understand.
religion is centered on exculsive belief without a WANT to reason. or... to be ignorant. you make up your mind before weighing up all possibilites. pity
MrBoggles 1 month ago
how can people trust scientists when they havent even been on the moon. Look at the dokumentary moonhoax, and learn the real truth about the moonlanding.
fettkatt87 1 month ago
@fettkatt87 that's like saying "how can people trust historians when christopher columbus didn't even discover america?". even if we hadn't been to the moon, which is a silly thing to say, btw, would not discredit all of science. a better question would be, how can ppl trust the bible, when there wasn't even a census under emperor augustus?
cause4reason 1 month ago
Atheism isn't "against" anything. It's only the rejection of claims made about god(s). Every chrisian is an atheist in regards to every god other than their own.
magicabbie 1 month ago
atheism is evil
Helptheherd 1 month ago
@Helptheherd and we eat babies... don't forget the babies
Reveletur 1 month ago 13
@Reveletur i didnt even know atheists eat
God bless
Helptheherd 1 month ago
@Reveletur Yes, I eat babies during Christmas. After that I go back to hell and ask what our true leader wants me to do. :P
Heikos01 1 month ago
@Reveletur with ketchup or mustard? I prefer mustard, and sometimes sauteed onion.
mightypen515 1 month ago
@Helptheherd a shitload less evil than any religion, though. God hates us all.
Styhn 1 month ago
@Styhn atheism is against God not religion
God bless
Helptheherd 1 month ago
@Helptheherd But as a nihilist I am also against religions. And god bless you too ;)
GLANL 1 month ago
@GLANL a nihilist is an atheist
God bless
Helptheherd 1 month ago
@Helptheherd Ofcourse nihilists are also atheists, what's your point?
GLANL 1 month ago
@GLANL what?
God bless
Helptheherd 1 month ago
@Helptheherd It doesn't matter what you want atheism to be against, it is simply the rejection of the idea that there is any supernatural force. To say "atheism is against God not religion" is like saying people who do not believe in unicorns are against unicorns. In the context of that metaphor you are the unicorn believer, and we are the ones who simply believe that they do not exist. (We were not created by a god with his morals, we created a god with our morals of the time. Just my opinion)
Reveletur 1 month ago
@Reveletur what? did you mention religion to me? i thought you mentioned babies being eaten- i adressed that btw...if you are mentioning religion now in regards to atheism then i would simply repeat that atheism is not against religion it is against God
God bless
Helptheherd 1 month ago
@Helptheherd "atheism is against God not religion" lol what? That sentence doesn't make a lick of sense no matter how you look at it, Helptheherd.
JarethGT 1 month ago
@JarethGT dude you're an atheist- nothing makes sense to an atheist because atheists have no sense
God bless
Helptheherd 1 month ago
@Helptheherd I'm not an atheist. Just shows how zealous, assuming and ignorant you are.
JarethGT 1 month ago
@JarethGT whatever you say atheist
God bless
Helptheherd 1 month ago
@Helptheherd nice trolling.
Styhn 1 month ago
@Styhn you're the atheist troll
God bless
Helptheherd 1 month ago
@Helptheherd God cannot bless, he does not exist.
theBartone9119 1 month ago 15
@theBartone9119 you're telling me God does not exist but also at the same time he has limitations as well?
God bless
Helptheherd 1 month ago
@Helptheherd Any scenario mentioning God as if he actually exists is purely hypothetical, I'm using hypothetical situations to prove he cannot exist in reality. I wouldn't expect a believer to be smart enough to pick that up though, so you are forgiven.
PS. Asking God to bless someone is like trying to telepathically communicate with your imaginary friend, sounds a little insane to me. Oh well, whatever floats your boat :)
theBartone9119 1 month ago
@theBartone9119 oh okay- i didnt know you proved anything- must be another issue of my lack of intelligence- please forgive me again- oh and thanks for clearing that up ;)
God bless
Helptheherd 1 month ago
@Helptheherd "i didnt know you proved anything- must be another issue of my lack of intelligence"
First thing you said that made any sense. Congrats.
theBartone9119 1 month ago
@theBartone9119 thats funny- you must think of yourself as a smart atheist- how original
God bless
Helptheherd 1 month ago
@Helptheherd I'd rather be a smart atheist, than a dumb christian. At least we know what side of the fence you are on.
Devil curse (lol)
theBartone9119 1 month ago
@theBartone9119 so you're smart because you're an atheist? so its not possible to be an utterly dumb atheist?
God bless
Helptheherd 1 month ago
@Helptheherd thats not what he said at all lol...
mmmTheMuffinMan 1 month ago
@Helptheherd "so you're smart because you're an atheist?" No he's an atheist because he's smart.
Heikos01 1 month ago
@Heikos01 true atheists commit suicide- he's simply confused
God bless
Helptheherd 1 month ago
@Helptheherd and religious people dont?
MrNance91 1 month ago
@MrNance91 atheism is the path to suicide
Helptheherd 1 month ago
@Helptheherd Classic projection. Just because the idea of atheism makes you want to kill yourself, doesn't mean it makes everyone else want to. Maybe if you enjoyed this life more, atheism wouldn't seem so depressing.
PhrygianBlack 1 month ago
@PhrygianBlack atheism is the path to suicide
God bless
Helptheherd 1 month ago
@Helptheherd
Wow, irony..
lololololol47 1 month ago
@Helptheherd no, it is not. why would you lie like that?
cause4reason 1 month ago
@cause4reason you deny that atheism is the path to suicide?
God bless
Helptheherd 1 month ago
@Helptheherd Yes, I most certainly do. Why would you say that? How does one arrive at such a conclusion? I'd really like to know.
cause4reason 1 month ago
@cause4reason well i dont see how you can really deny what i said if you dont even have a clue as to why i said it- go figure out some possible reasons- when you have them let me know and we can proceed
God bless
Helptheherd 4 weeks ago
@Helptheherd I am not the one making the claim. You can't just spout some random statement and when someone disagrees with you or asks you how you came to that conclusion, say "Well, you go figure out why I am right!". If I took guess, I'd say, you read it on Conservapedia, right?
cause4reason 3 weeks ago
@cause4reason well excuse me but i have said all the things i say for years now- if anything whatever site that is got it from me- i have no reason to copy people- my logic is already greater than all others i have seen- the logic i have is only possible because of the incomparable truth that i have learned from Jesus who is our Lord and saviour
God bless
Helptheherd 3 weeks ago
@Helptheherd Well, I can't really tell at this point if you are just trolling me, but I'm gonna take on last shot before give up. I read on your channel page that you like helping people. Maybe you would be so kind and help me to understand by laying out your argument? If you could make a bulletproof logical argument as to why atheism is the path to suicide, that I can't refute, I would agree with you. How about that?
cause4reason 3 weeks ago
@cause4reason dont be an atheist troll
God bless
Helptheherd 3 weeks ago
@Helptheherd What?! I am not the one behaving troll-like here! I am asking you serious questions and trying to engage in a real discussion. You are the one that is evasive and contributing nothing to the actual argument! All I want you to say is something like "atheism is the path to suicide because being an atheist means X, Y & Z and therefore leads to inevitable suicide." Is that so much to ask?
cause4reason 3 weeks ago
@cause4reason hmmm well, saying that suicide is the path to suicide is pretty effective dont you think- do you really think its such a hard concept to understand? im sure you can figure it out- okay let me know cya atheist troll
God bless
Helptheherd 3 weeks ago
@Helptheherd You didn't say "suicide is the path to suicide", you said "atheism is the path to suicide". But whatever. I am not gonna waste any more time trying to get a straight answer out of you. You are an idiot and a troll and I have much better things to do and more interesting people to debate. Hope you had fun though.
cause4reason 3 weeks ago
@cause4reason yea well i already told you that we were done...God is the only way- atheism is the path to suicide- peace be with you
God bless
Helptheherd 3 weeks ago
@Helptheherd If you believe there is a god, good for you, don't come here and threaten us with negatives if we choose to accept reality.
aDislikeBot 3 weeks ago
@aDislikeBot what are you talking about- no one is coming here because atheists "choose to accept reality" you retard- we're coming here because you choose to spread atheism to children-you're against God so you tell children that God doesnt exist- atheism is evil -you're pathetic- get a life
God bless
Helptheherd 3 weeks ago
@Helptheherd If you really honestly believe your specific god exists, why do you feel the need to come here and attention seek to try and get a reaction from atheists?
Also, you talk about atheism as if its a religion of its own, no, you can't spread it to children, its the lack of a believe in all the fictional gods man kind has come up with. And if your god did exist, that would disgust me, because it would mean he lets third world poverty, and other things like that go on.
aDislikeBot 3 weeks ago
@aDislikeBot you're just an emotional atheist- atheism is purely emotional, there is no logical reason to deny God
God bless
Helptheherd 3 weeks ago
@Helptheherd First of all which "god" do you believe in? Second the reason intelligent and educated people don't think there are any gods, is because there is no logical reason to, but if you could provide me with a reason i'm listening.
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@aDislikeBot atheism is not a lack of belief in God- its an evil belief system that has little losers with no life like you that go around spreading it as if it is of some sort of logical reasoning- you are a doubt worshiper- atheism is the path to suicide- you are a threat to society- we dont trust you- we dont want to trust you
God bless
Helptheherd 3 weeks ago
@aDislikeBot Dude, don't get into an argument with Helptheherd, he's a troll. There is no way to get a straight answer out of him, don't waste your time. Trust me, I've been there ;)
cause4reason 2 weeks ago
@Helptheherd hey arent we atheist all going to hell ? stop saying god bless ,because acording to your beliefs we cant be blessed anyways ...btw just a fun fact for you ,your comments on this video only reinforce the position you try to discredit. So for that i thank you . cheers
AtheistDemon87 2 weeks ago
@AtheistDemon87 get a life atheist loser
God bless
Helptheherd 2 weeks ago
@Helptheherd you are very heartfelt ...thank you once again on reinforcing atheism and the arguments put forth in this video . plz continu you are awesome! ATHEISM FTW
AtheistDemon87 2 weeks ago
@AtheistDemon87 - Being condescending proves his point. please(which is how it's spelled) continue. ;)
xchargerOUx 5 days ago
@AtheistDemon87 atheism is the path to suicde...stop spreading your evil belief system to children
God bless
Helptheherd 4 days ago
@Helptheherd you are an idiot
cause4reason 2 weeks ago
@cause4reason get a life loser
God bless
Helptheherd 2 weeks ago
You've gotta take off that stage pass Sam. Too many naive people will see that as you speaking on behalf of Allstate or any of those sponsors. They have absolutely no say in the truths that you eloquently convey.
EchoCosmic 1 month ago
@jediSuperWarrior anyone that came here to watch Sam Harris will never seek light, wisdom, guidance, and unity. Sam gives us all of that.
TheWakened 1 month ago
@TheWakened
"light, wisdom, guidance, and unity. Sam gives us all of that"
Is he your guru?
MrTubetown 1 month ago
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Peace, I humbly invite atheists / non muslims to watch the following 10 part series on youtube called :
The Divine Book (pt.1/10)
This series will present divine proof from our Creator, it will uncover shocking truths, as well as attempt to provide light, wisdom, guidance, and unity for those who seek it.
JediSuperWarrior 1 month ago
ben stiller!
jonnylawrence010 2 months ago 2
Sam Harris believes in reincarnation, telepathy, xenoglossy, psychism phenomena, etc, etc. He also believes in torture.
MrTubetown 2 months ago
@MrTubetown
Nope
Cognition92 2 months ago
@Cognition92
Sam on psychism:
"There seems to be a body of data attesting to the reality of psychic phenomena, much of which has been ignored by mainstream science...." "...I believe that this field of study has been unfairly stigmatized"
Sam on xenoglossy/reincarnation:
"When a kid starts speaking Bengali , we have no idea scientifically what's going on"
Sam on torture:
"the practice of torture, in certain circumstances, would seem to be not only permissible, but necessary"
MrTubetown 2 months ago
@MrTubetown Thanks for the quotes, whats your point?
pheeel17 2 months ago
@MrTubetown None of those quotes imply that Harris "believes" in any of those. Acknowledging that something cannot be explained by science is not putting forth an alternative claim. I don't think that quote about torture is very outrageous either. A lot of people hold that view. I may or may not agree with it, but it's not like that is shocking or something.
pheeel17 2 months ago
@pheeel17
"None of those quotes imply that Harris "believes" in any of those"
If he doesn't believe in them then why does he defend them, and say there is data attesting to them, and why does he complain that science ignores them?
"I don't think that quote about torture is very outrageous either. A lot of people hold that view. "
Yes, I realise a lot of people support torture. It doesn't make it right.
MrTubetown 2 months ago
@MrTubetown I don't know why he defends them. Maybe he does believe them. But I know that you can't assume that from those quotes. For example, I can acknowledge that there is evidence for out of body experiences, but that doesn't mean I believe them. I don't read Sam Harris nor do I know the context of those quotes. But I know that its flawed logic to assume what you're assuming
pheeel17 2 months ago
@pheeel17
But don't you find it strange that Sam Harris - the pin-up boy of atheism/skepticism/reason - is out there defending the existence of paranormal activity and reincarnation?
MrTubetown 2 months ago
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83redrose83 2 months ago
@MegaSage007 what the fuck is wrong with you? North Korea's propaganda ministry publish countless accounts of how Kim Il Sung and Kim Jong Il are superhuman demigods. For example, it is said in N.Korea that upon Kim Jong Il's birth a new star appeared in the sky. N.Korea's government's official title for Sung Il is "eternal leader," and his portrait is worshiped and praised no differently than a cross. You are an ignorant Fucktard! N.Korea is run by a faith cult!
Macabremalifica 2 months ago
I have only just discovered Sam Harris, and I'm so glad I did. He seems to have a way of putting my own thoughts into words that I could not have come up with myself, while at the same time introducing me to new concepts and new ways of thinking that I also could not have come up with myself. Listening to him is like watching a door open. He's opening doors for free thinkers everywhere.
tra1215 2 months ago 2
Atheis believes there is no god no master no nothing. It is Agnostic that this guy is depicting. In the infinite universe that propably has exsisted very very long there is likely to be lifeforms strong enough to form entire planets. Ofc atheist completely denies that and any form of anything so dont pretend anything. Ps. -Agnostic
Induktio1984 2 months ago
@Induktio1984
Agnosticism is an epistemic position that the answer to the "god question" is inherently unknowable with any certainty.
Theism vs. atheism, on the other hand, are positions of personal belief. Agnosticism isn't some midway point between them or anything like that. Most, or at least many, atheists are also agnostics, btw.
-Both atheist and agnostic
bowlsallbroken 2 months ago
i guess ive been watching too much Richard Hawkins, but i cant help notice how soft spoken and polite Sam Harris is
FarhanC99 3 months ago
@BelieveandtrustJesus rofl, you know nothing of your own religion which is just embarrassing and you know even less about science.
People like you are the reason there are wars, famine, disease in this world. Then you act all holier than though when in reality you are a pure sadist.
In order to be religious you have to be a sadist.
NoWitnessesNoRegrets 3 months ago
@NoWitnessesNoRegrets
You both come across as quite sadistic to be honest. He's relishing the thought of unbelievers burning in hell. You relish the idea of people like him getting deadly diseases. It's all pretty messed up...
MrTubetown 3 months ago
@MrTubetown I don't want him to get a disease. I'm pretty sure he will never hinder scientific advance. Now the pope on the other hand...
NoWitnessesNoRegrets 3 months ago
@BelieveandtrustJesus lol, you are such a loser... you can't possibly believe in hell, no one can be that stupid... oh wait your Australian.... i guess you can.
Future generations will look back on this time period, they'll look at people like you and think: What a bunch of stupid cunts.
You are a disgrace to the human race.
NoWitnessesNoRegrets 3 months ago
@NoWitnessesNoRegrets I'm an atheist so I'm not criticising you based on that aspect of your comment. However, I have to say that I object to your labeling all Australians as stupid. I'm an Australian and while there are, of course, stupid people here, I wouldn't say that the ratio is disproportionate as compared to the rest of the world. Shouldn't atheists be against arbitrary characterisations? Do you have evidence that all Australians are stupid? BTW, it's "YOU'RE Australian".... Not "your"
TsukuYUMMYru 3 months ago
@NoWitnessesNoRegrets it's people like you that make religious people despise atheists because they think, from you, atheists are all ignorantly doing 'evil' things, from ur filthy language and lack of understanding. i would say in many respect u r religious, tho u don't believe in a god, u believe in 'facts' without verifying them, which is not what atheism is about. im atheist and an australian, and i do not condone ur shallow understanding of atheism.
cantforgetthis 2 months ago
@cantforgetthis "Filthy" language is completely irrelevant. Words like "cunt" and "fuck" and "shit" are simply words that are used on occasion to add colorful inflection to our speech in order to more effectively stress a particular point or emotion.
There is no "bad" language. Only language that has - through years of religious and societal influence - been uselessly labeled as "bad". The nouns or verbs one uses are no more "bad" than his or her hair style.
SeedsOfHatred 2 months ago
@SeedsOfHatred last reply. i can see that you're a pretty narrow minded person. so in your world view swearing at some1 is ok, because there is no good or bad language, it's just language. the problem is you seem to lack the understanding that there is a social contract which deems said words 'bad'. this same social contract is also the scientific base for morality, otherwise there's no good or bad doing. meaning to draw? it's relevant.
cantforgetthis 2 months ago
@cantforgetthis How exactly am I "narrow-minded"? You're correct, language is just language. Words are not "bad", because they are words. Sound waves moving across air particles that we, as humans, have decided to place meaning to, when really, they mean nothing at all.
So no, "filthy" language is not relevant at all. If you want to speak about "insulting" someone, that's a different matter (also a subjective one). But the words themselves are not "bad".
SeedsOfHatred 2 months ago
@SeedsOfHatred ok i c the problem. you are confused with 'sounds' coming from a person's mouth as opposed to 'language'. sounds by itself have no meaning as u pointed out. language is given meaning by people. so when you use 'filthy' language yes its just sounds, but bcoz ppl created its meaning they understand it to be 'bad'. meaning and words cant be separated, otherwise it's just nonsense. so again, it's relevant. 'filthy' is given meaning; negative connotations abt a subject. bye
cantforgetthis 2 months ago
@cantforgetthis I'm not confused about anything, kiddo. I'm simply stating that all words used in any language are used to communicate feeling and ideas. Some of these words are - for completely idiotic reasons - considered "bad" by SOME societies. British TV has no problem with "shit" and "fuck", and yet, US TV does. Why? Because these words are not inherantly "bad" or "filthy". They're simply words. Nothing more, nothing less. It's time to grow up and get over your aversion to "naughty words".
SeedsOfHatred 2 months ago
@cantforgetthis Additionally, your original point seemed to be the implication that the other person's use of "filthy language" somehow invalidates his point. I assume the reason is because such words are - in your illogical view - inherantly bad.
And yet, if I say "The Sun is fucking hot today", it in no way invalidates my point that the Sun is hot, does it? No, it doesn't. If your implication held any water, the word "fucking" would have made me wrong in the suggestion that the Sun is hot.
SeedsOfHatred 2 months ago
@SeedsOfHatred i think you are confused, i never indicated that it invalidates your point. but rather using 'filthy' language when making your point (true or not) does not make progress, you will instead face a perpetual clash of stupidity and it just reveals that you're a bigot.
cantforgetthis 2 months ago
@cantforgetthis Bad language does not inhibit progress, either. Not unless my audience gets up their own ass (exhibit A) with the needless dynamics of their own offense. In which case, they don't have the intellect to be engaging in a debate to begin with. Anyone who gets hung up on a "bad" word here or there isn't seeing the full argument and is thus narrow-minded.
Like I said, time to grow up and get over being offended. Because the truth is, you don't even know why you're offended.
SeedsOfHatred 2 months ago
@SeedsOfHatred seems like i encountered a mindless bigot. that's a real joke what you just claimed. i think my previous point is very universal but ur inability to grasp common sense says a lot abt u. ur ignorance is what gives rise to offence, labeling all australians stupid, a needless/mindless statement to mock ur opponent.altho i agreed with ur comment to that person in large, i dont agree with the statement. any intellect would know to verify their statement.
cantforgetthis 2 months ago
@cantforgetthis Haha.
Hey kiddo? Go back and take a look at the previous comments. You've been arguing with two different people. The OTHER guy mentioned Australia.
See, this is why I just can't put any faith in your argument. You can't even pay attention long enough to see who you're talking to, let alone listen to their logic.
SeedsOfHatred 2 months ago
@MrTubetown
Next, the church purges in Russia began in 1918... Do you really think all Russians became atheists in 1918 and then all went on a 'good ole' church burning session?
In fact the four largest cathedrals in Russia are all visible from Stalins office!
Maybe you'd like some time to find out 'why' the communists actually purged the orthodox church in Russia rather than ignoring lessons of history.?
There is an answer... and it's nothing to do with 'cos they were all atheists'
MumblingMickey 3 months ago
@Oldtinear Pulling up any political ideology of choice and claiming 'see these were atheists look what they done' is a pretty silly road to travel. Not least because its simply not observed in society .
So, if there were any correlation whatsoever then you could expect atheists to be represented heavily in prisons. That would be a reasonable expectation if they had no moral values.
But from the data we do have atheists are 25 times 'less' likely to wind up behind bars.
MumblingMickey 3 months ago
@MumblingMickey ''see these were atheists look what they done'
Those are not my words. I am an atheist. I think you have confused me with someone else.
Oldtinear 3 months ago
communism has stunning similarity with religion, if u dont believe in religion u go to hell, if u dont believe in Marxism u go to work camp or executed immediately, both allow no choices and free will, plus the leader in a traditional communist country is generally treated as a god
KuhoinX 3 months ago
@KuhoinX 'communism has stunning similarity with religion'
I agree, They are both irrational belief systems, irrational because they are not based on evidence. They both set something up as higher than the interests of people. In religion's case this is God; in Communism's the State. Killing people can then be justified, and has been, by claiming that it is in the Higher Interest.
Oldtinear 2 months ago
There's something about scientific atheists and agnostics that have a tremendous amount of grounding, poise and confidence compared to the 'wild eyed' religious fanatics out there that hide behind a fake plastered smile. It's because guys like Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens and many others know that they are not living the lie that is religion, they are truly enlightened and intellectually emancipated human beings. Keep up the good work Sam.
MrSmashman1981 3 months ago
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Atheism is a belief about what exists: a belief that there is no god or gods. Now, whether there is or not has nothing to do with the consequences of the belief.
Here are some consequences of atheism: a) this is definitely the only life we have b) there is definitely no ultimate justice c) morality and self-interest are now, to some extent, in tension.
a, b, and c are all bad consequences. That doesn't mean atheism is false. But those ARE bad consequences.
Clear404 3 months ago
@Clear404 I agree with you on you premise but I would like to ask you some questions: why are a, b & c bad consequences? a isn't bad. the belief that this is my only live is what gives it urgency and meaning. and what do you mean by "ultimate justice" in c? is it just to be reborn as a banana-slug because I eat beef? Is it just because I once looked at a woman with lust that I should burn for all eternity? please clarify. and why would c be correct? how do you define morality?
cause4reason 1 month ago
@cause4reason I don't know what I said in the original post as I can't find it. I'm assuming I pointed out that if atheism is true there would be no right or wrong. I think that's correct and can give my reasons if you're interested. As to burning in hell for eternity - it always amazes me that atheists seem incapable of grasping that christianity and belief in God are different and that though I believe in God I think christianity (and every other religion) is MAD.
Clear404 1 month ago
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@Clear404 Your original post was flagged for spam. Allow me to repost the relevant parts:
"Atheism is a belief about what exists: belief that there is no god or gods. Whether there is or not has nothing to do with the consequences of the belief.
Here are some consequences of atheism: a) this is definitely the only life we have b) there is definitely no ultimate justice c) morality and self-interest are now, to some extent, in tension. a, b, and c are all bad consequences."
cause4reason 1 month ago
@Clear404 I am not just referring to Christianity, that's why I mentioned the reincarnation as a banana-slug. Hell isn't exclusive to Christianity, Islam has it, too. What really interested me is your definition of "ultimate justice" and why morality and self-interest are in conflict if no god exists? Isn't that the nature of morality (to be in conflict with self-interest)? And why & how would the fact of god existing change that? And what is so bad about this life being the only life we have?
cause4reason 1 month ago
@cause4reason I think ALL religions are mad. All of them. Belief in God does not entail ANY religion at all.
Morality is not about self-interest. But that doesn’t mean it cannot coincide with self-interest. It doesn’t if there’s no God (that’s obvious). However it may do if there IS a God. Indeed, the ONLY way in which morality and self-interest could coincide for all of us is if there’s a God.
Clear404 1 month ago
@cause4reason Two things: I take morality to exist and think it more obvious that morality exists than that God does (but I think it entails that God exists). I also take it that it is praiseworthy to act from a sense of duty, and that acting from self-interest is not praiseworthy. This is consistent with acting from duty being in one’s self-interest. The fact something is in one’s interests, does not mean that one acted from self-interest.
Clear404 1 month ago
@cause4reason Let me also just say what I undestand by ‘justice’. Justice is the apportionment of goods and bads to virtue and vice. So, a just world is one in which the virtuous receive goods in proportion to their virtue, and the vicious receive bads in proportion to their vice. In this world this does not happen. It is possible to live a virtuous but unpleasant life of great suffering, and possible to lead a vicious life of great pleasure. This is bad, isn't it?
Clear404 1 month ago
@Clear404
The moral argument depends of course on the existence of morality, however many people doubt the existence of morality. Why do you think morality is real?
MrTubetown 4 weeks ago
@MrTubetown The case for anything is only as strong as the plausibility of the premises it is built on.
The claim that it is wrong to torture an innocent strikes most of us as self-evident. The claim that there is nothing wrong with torturing an innocent is deeply implausible. If atheism entails the latter, then the case for atheism is significantly weakened (perhaps undermined), wouldn’t you agree?
Clear404 4 weeks ago
@Clear404
Assuming those moral intuitions are correct then I agree the case for atheism would appear to be weakened, for how could such intuitions be considered correct in the absense of an underlying moral order against which to gauge them? That being said, there is a respectable line of thought which argues that our moral intuitions are not correct. I hope the moral skeptics are wrong, but I'm not sure. Aside from intuition, I haven't yet heard a strong argument against them.
MrTubetown 4 weeks ago
@MrTubetown Most of us have a moral sense. We sense that some things are right and others wrong. We have a moral terminology precisely because we sense a moral dimension to the universe. If something appears to be a certain way, then the default is that it is that way until good reason has been given to think otherwise. Everyone must accept that principle (known as the principle of phenomenal conservatism) else be unable to justify believing anything at all. Cont'd...
Clear404 3 weeks ago
@MrTubetown Cont’d….so the burden of proof is very much on the moral nihilist. I’m not yet saying the nihilist cannot discharge that burden (though I think they cannot). I’m just laying out the dialectical situation. It appears to most of us that there is a moral dimension to the universe. Other things being equal, a theory of the universe that accommodates that appearance is to be preferred to one that does not. Cont'd...
Clear404 3 weeks ago
@MrTubetown Cont’d….so, if atheism entails that the moral dimension to the universe does not exist (and I hold it does entail this) then atheism conflicts with appearances. Appearances are more or less ‘strong’, more or less ‘self evident’. Moral appearances are (to most of us) very strong indeed. So this is a black mark against atheism. Other things being equal, if there is an alternative world-view that vindicates our moral sense, it is rationally to be preferred.
Clear404 3 weeks ago
@MrTubetown Of course, it may well be that other things are not equal and that the case for atheism is sufficiently strong that we should simply reject our moral sense as illusory. I don’t think so, but, well, that’s a matter for debate. The point I am making is that if atheism does entail that morality is illusory, this is a cost – a reason ‘against’ atheism. Whether decisive is another matter.
Clear404 3 weeks ago
@MrTubetown You say there is a strong line of argument for moral nihilism. Well, there is if there’s a strong case for atheism! That’s my point! Atheism entails moral nihilism. But moral nihilism is prima facie implausible. If you don’t believe me, go and get yourself mugged and feel how strongly you sense the injustice of what just happened to you. Atheism entails that experience of injustice was an illusion.
Clear404 3 weeks ago
Id die a happy man if i met a non-human intelligent life form from another region of the cosmos.
Timohawk 3 months ago
@Timohawk If aliens came to earth and said "Hey, did you hear about this awesome guy, Jesus?" that would really through me off and maybe even turn me into a believer (pretty much the only thing short of Jesus physically appearing before me)
cause4reason 1 month ago
Being Atheist is also like being Aunicornists, or Avampirists... ect ect
Typho0n86 3 months ago
@Typho0n86
"We shouldnt even be called Atheists or non-theists, it shoudnt even really be called anything."
Most of the world believes in god. You don't. Your title "atheist" makes the distinction clear. What's the problem?
MrTubetown 3 months ago