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In probability theory, an independent series of events, which is what craps is, results in the dice having no memory of what was last thrown. This is a common fallacy in gambling believing previous results affect the next outcome in independent trials. Your odds of rolling a seven on the come doesn't change. It's the same as saying flipping a coin and getting heads means tails is more likely the next flip.
Right from the beginning its wrong... When you won that dollar you should not have. When the puck is off you don't make place bets, nor are they affected if you already have money up there...
Vouaux is right of course, but I think that the online versions are "less random", and we are also talking about short term odds, not long term, right?
I would never bet any type of bets online. There are too many scams out there. Its poker sites tryin to make money. online gambling is stupid! Bottom line
idiot, each roll is independant from the last 7 has more combos on the dice than any other number so infact you would have a greater chance to roll a 7 than any other number....so dumb
Vouaux is right. To the chances of rolling a 7 are the same on every roll every time (1:6). If you try to predict the outcome of 2 rolls of the dice BEFORE the first roll (eg rolling 7 two times in a row) the chances are 1:36. However - do not make the mistake of thinking that if a 7 is rolled once, that there is only a 1 in 36 chance that it will roll again - that would be WRONG since you are still determining the odds of ONE roll, regardless of what has previously rolled.
@vouaux Spoken like a true cunt. You have a greater chance to roll a 7 than any other number but you have a MUCH greater chance of rolling every other number besides a 7. Ever heard of an Iron Cross? Blackjack has less than a 50% chance of winning while this strategy carries around a 66% chance to win. The real question is why wouldn't you do this?
@vicprobey lmao you make no sense you dumb fking twat, each roll is INDEPENDANT OF THE LAST ROLL, NO DICE ARE REMOVED.....IN BJ CARDS ARE REMOVED CHANGING VARIABLES you have no clue what you are talking about. your % are off iron cross lmao you are fking clueless buddy keep trying to be a winning gambler loser....theres more combos of 7 than any other number therefore greater chance it will HIT, god your dumb lol do some math and common sense
@vouaux hahahha So obviously you don't know the game of craps or math so I'll let you get back to where you belong. Sitting on top of your dead dad's dick.
@vicprobey once again you make a fking stupid comment making no sense, like i said your a fucking moron and have not 1 clue what your talking about. I work surveillance and have dealt many years. Now go renew your visa you immigrant and come lose more money in vegas like a loser that you are. NOTHING i said was even close to being wrong lol infact ive made more sense than anyone on these comments. You must feel so right inside and your in denial. peace old man
@vicprobey answer me this also? If there are MORE COMBOS TO MAKE 7 ON THE DICE, HOW ARE ALL THE OTHER NUMBERS GREATER CHANCE TO ROLL? LOL YOUR DUMB AS FUCKKKKK
@vouaux What a dumb fucking cunt...surveillance!!! hahaha a losers job.
There is a 17% chance to roll a 7 on any given roll, that means there is a 83% chance you won't roll a 7 and a 66.66% chance you will hit a place bet (4,5,6,8,9,10). So every time this guy rolls he has a 67% chance to win and a 17% chance to lose. So rolling 1 time and taking the bets down has odds heavily in favor of the shooter.
@vicprobey ok dickhead you obviously didnt read what i posted FIRST, of course ANY one of those numbers in a combo has a chance to come more combos than 7 you idiot fuck, i said EACH ROLL IS INDEPENDANT and 7 still has the most combos than any other number. Your talking shit to me about a totally different concept you stupid fuck. MY POINT was stating theres no system worthy when a 7 wipes ALL BETS you fucking dumb immigrant. $60K a year on the strip to watch cams loser job YAAAA OK
@vicprobey ok dickhead you obviously didnt read what i posted FIRST, of course ANY one of those numbers in a combo has a chance to come more combos than 7 you idiot fuck, i said EACH ROLL IS INDEPENDANT and 7 still has the most combos than any other number. Your talking shit to me about a totally different concept you stupid fuck. MY POINT was stating theres no system worthy when a 7 wipes ALL BETS you fucking dumb immigrant. $60K a year on the strip to watch cams loser job YAAAA OK
"The seven is unlikely to hit back-to-back" Moronic statement. All numbers are unlikely to repeat, but ONE number, the 7 in MOST likely to repeat.
Your results are non-instructive, the sample far too small.
If you believe so much in this system, (at the end you state, "this is a great way to win") then risk real money to prove it instead of using the practice mode on a site which will take your real money bet.
I love these guys who use "PRACTICE" mode....You really want to impress people?...show us that you win IN "REAL MONEY" mode! I doubt that they will do that, because there are no "REAL" systems.....And by the way, the number 7 has a higher chance to come out more then any other number on the dice.
@morrisey0 This system is the best way to make money you just need the bankroll to be able to double and triple up if necessary...a 7 is not likely to hit back to back because there is only a 17% chance that a 7 will hit ever.
@morrisey0 It is true that back-to-back 7s are unlikely - back-to-back 7s has a 1/36 probability, same as a single 2 or 12. Of course, waiting until the first 7 hits and then betting against a second 7 on the basis of the first one is nonsensical.
@morrisey0 "You are a complete idiot. The seven is just as likely to hit on every roll. Each roll is an independent event with the same odds as the last roll." If we were talking about real dice you would be 100% correct. However in the world of Bodog Craps you do not know if that statement is idiotic or absolutely true. It would be dumb for Bodog to make a craps simulation that does anything but produce random numbers, but in my experience the numbers are not perfectly random.
@morrisey0 this would be true...however its an online version therefore the software used can never truly be random therefore this system truley CAN work
Anyone that uses this system is GUARANTEED to go broke sooner or later.
First of all, if you're in a casino, you will be in the odd position of spreading these place bets and telling the dealer you want them "working" when ordinarily they would be "off" during a come out roll.
Secondly, it's VERY common for a shooter to throw more than one 7 in a row. Let's say the shooter throws three 7"s. Now you're down 18 bets. Will you be ready to risk 6 more to win one?
The odds of rolling a 7 in craps is 1 in 6, there are many articles written on probability etc. which explain how dice throws work and the odds associated.
The key element of randomness (real world) is not present in the online casino. This has to be calculated, and since computers are inherently not random, the randomness is emulated.
What spjagoff has demonstrated here is the skewed probability/randomness algorithms in use on the play for fun/free/side of online casinos.
I am a craps dealer myself, i have seen 10 7s in a roll or 10 crap numbers in a roll, each roll is independent, the previous roll does not affact the next roll. also, there is no "good" system on the table. casino has math advantage on the odds, in a long run, no matter how you play, you will lose.
Well, it doesn't mean you cant make money, if you walk to a table and its on a hot roll, you can make thousands of dollars, BUT, that is all luck. Also, remember, HIT AND RUN! that;s the onlyway!!!
pursuey: 50 7s in a row is unlikely, of course. If you look at 50 events instead of 1 that is probablity. That is entirely different from what this guy's "system" proposes. Each roll of the dice is an independent event. The prior roll, prior 50 rolls, prior 10,000 roles have no bearing on that single role.
Casino's exist for a reason: they make money because they always have the advantage. Ignorance of basic math doesn't change this advantage.
Yeah it can be risky. it's more of a quick hit system. Do it once or twice and take the money and play the pass line or whatever and be more conservative.
Each roll is independent. A 7 is equally likely to come up on any given roll. A 7 could come up 50 times in a row and it's just as likely to come up on the 51st roll as it was on the first 50 rolls.
are you serious 50 times in a row, though it is possible i dont think anybody in this lifetime will see someone roll 50 7's in a row at a casino ^.^, take a reality class
Never heard of that before. This is very interesting to me. I am not meaning to sound like I don't believe you with my next questions I just got into Craps and Black Jack recently and have a lot of questions for Craps. Black Jack is fun but I found that craps is more entertaining. Most of the time I play the 6 and 8 rolls after point. But it hasn't made me much money.
It's primarilly for online craps. I use it on bodog daily. See the link in the video info to learn about playing there. I know people who play this way in land based casinos. There just aren't many around my area to play at. Plus I like to make money in my pajamas lol
it works i used it here in detroit but i played about 100 or every number and about 10 a piece on 2,3,12,11, for one roll then im off i use to do it about 2/3 times a day
The rules are different in different casinos and always less restrictive at online casinos. You play the pass line before the point is established always though, and put odds bets on your pass line bet after the point has been rolled. Then you play until a 7 is rolled if you are playing the pass line. Watch my video "pass line betting made simple"
My experience shows that online gaming like bodog does perform differently than actual dice, unquestionably so. Playing this at a real table would be one heck of a risk to take. Devastating loses with the 7's probabilities, yikes!
Well in a live casino a lot more depends on the shooter. I've thrown the same number in a row 10 times in live play before. Try it at an online casino though. Doesn't happen often
That is one dangerous system. Your exposing yourself to that seven. I've seen and thown 4 or 5 sevens in a row. Your best bet is to play on the pass line and only take MAX 2 times odds followed by 2 COME bets with MAX 2 x odds This is one of the best systems to date for craps. Try it you'll be pleased. The come bet exposses you to the numbers that are hot for that shooter. Every shooter has it's own hot numbers. Never play across, that is one sure way of loosing.
back to back sevens happen 1/6 times, after you roll the first seven. mathematically speaking, waiting for the first seven doesn't change the probability of the second roll. it's still 1/6.
Josda - you know Roulette, right? Would you be retarded enough to claim that 1/38 times, the same number comes up twice? That just doesn't happen. It might happen once or twice per day, but nay much more. You're making the exact same claim in relation to a 7 coming up twice in craps. Realistically, it actually doesn't happen too often. A 7 two times in a row might happen 1/36 times that 7 comes up, as richyrich has pointed out.
If you are playing double zero then yes, the same number will hit twice in a row 1/38 times because each spin is independent from one another. However, if you are trying to call out a number that is going to hit 2 times in a row then that is a completly different story. That is why this guy's system is flawed. He is not betting against two 7's in a row, he is betting against a 7. It doesnt matter if a 7 just came because it has just as much a chance to hit as it did before. Simple odds.
Odds are simple, yes, but you should try researching probability. Your mathematics are somewhat flawed. Odds only describe independent rolls or spins that are not connected to a larger system of rolls. Probability helps you to understand how rolls, spins, etc., are related to one another. The chances of the same number coming up twice are actually somewhat different from independent odds.
thats my point, the rolls or spins are not related to one another. Unless the croupie somehow throws the ball a certain way to draw specific numbers then it is completely random. If the first spin is a 12, then there is a 1 in 38 chance that the next one will be 12 too. It doesnt even matter if the 12 was hit before either. The casinos usually pay 35 or 36 to 1 when the odds of hitting are really 37 or 38 to 1. Casinos work on odds thats how they get paid.
@Sviolinist The problem is that when you look at probability, people assume that a pattern of numbers/colors/etc is less probable than a random set of the same thing. For example, if I asked which was more probable in Roulette, red, red, red, red, red, or, red, black black, red, black, most people would say the latter is more probable. However, this isn't the case, because both are just as likely to happen.
In Craps however it is a bit different. Because the 7 is more likely to be rolled, it is actually more probable to roll a few sevens in a row than any other combination.
I want to respond to everyone's comment here by tipping the scale sideways. You are all right, and you are all wrong. It's a Pandora's box. You can control the roll of the dice with telekinesis. Believe me or don't, it matters not. All I am saying is that the roll of the shooter and his or her mindset is very important. Watch a game or two of craps - the people with no confidence rarely shoot well. I won a lot of money off a gentlemen on a cruise ship who said "my name is lucky" - won like $100.
I don't need to watch a couple of games, I play enough already. I have seen people with a lot of confidence seven out after rolling the point, and people that are completely clueless or with no confidence roll point after point after point. There is nothing but statistics and random chance at play. Sometimes I go to play and come back a couple hundred richer, sometimes I lose my entire bankroll. That's how craps works, like it or not.
Telekinetic dice is possible but very rare. Not just the shooter who makes it happen. The whole table of players is in on it mentally. The shooter is the "shaman" while the other players are the "congregation".
Hard to find since most players at tables are EXPECTING TO LOSE.
It's like fishing -waiting for the magic combination of factors. Bet it right and you're golden. Once found a dice "priestess" who threw 6's like it was the only thing on the dice. Turned $20 into $8000 in 1/2 hour.
i play this system in detroit but you dont even have to wait for a point to be established......but i clear off after one roll, but i also add like $5 a piece on 2, 3, 12, 11, so no matter what comes i win at least 60$ and at the most like $150 then i clear off, but it is risky because if a 7 comes i lose a big amount, i do this bet about fives times and then im out of there lol....pays good though.....
real casino you just ask to keep the bets on or "let them work" and the dealer will know you want it on, they by default not work those bets because passline your looking for the seven (or eleven) thus counter betting your place.
You can make a PLACE bet at anytime, providing you call them ON WORKING.
Keeping in mind on the COME OUT the 7 has high degree of probability of showing, I know the odds are still 1 in 6 But somehow not on the COME OUT roll.
You know I've noticed that in the play money mode too. You would think they'd keep you winning there so you play for real money. However I play daily for real money on bodog and don't notice the pattern there. I find it to be the fairest online casino. Doyles room is good also
I've played that version of craps...I think several sites use the same engine. The thing I noticed is that it seems the algorithms track your bets...I may be crazy but playing the pass line I only hit the point number once in hundreds of rolls. The moment I switched to playing the dont pass line the point number hit consistantly...coincidence...perhaps....but strange.
Well odds yes you are right. The odds are the same on every roll regardless of what came in the past. I should have worded it differently. I should have said it's unlikely to roll back to back 7's. Bodog is the fairest overall casino on the internet. They give their customers a great chance at winning. I am not trying to sell any ebook system to people with this video or anything. This is really the system I play everyday. I make a great living with it! I'm simply sharing with others
take a class in statistics. Rolling a 7 back to back is only low odds if u bet on it before u roll either 7, if u already rolled a 7, the chance of rolling a back to back 7 is the same....
I agree that what you are using is a great but very risky system however there is no point to wait untill a 7 hits unless you are supersticious. People often this that your chances of hitting a 7 after rolling a 7 is less likly then just hitting one after any number which is untrue. However I would just like to point out that this is a good system but there is no need to wait for a 7 to hit, the probobility will be the same either way
Correct.. I know it seems like you are risking a lot of money, but my recommendation is based of year of playing online craps and winning with this strategy. It's not for everybody, but this system bought my house!
The video is just a demo. I normally only leave them up for the first roll to double my hundred or better depending what's rolled. Then take em down til a 7 comes again to play safe
EXACTLY! Somebody does it right! You just take the bet down after the first roll. Then wait for a 7 and repeat. You will make a big profit. You are going to lose that whole row of bets eventually, but you will be up more far more than that by the time it happens!
Cool vid man 5 stars from me. A lot of haters lol, but I do well with this system too. I just signed up for bodog through your link. Great casino too! Thanks. Check my channel out in a couple days. I'm new to youtube, but I'll be posting some gambling videos too
FUCK YOU DOCBAR84 I've won 5k in atlantic city playing like this i just started out smaller and then if i did hit a 7 i would double on the next roll, and then again if i had to, win and then stop and move on to the next game. Roulette, baccarat, i made 28k in a week. Now i live in Vegas so FUCK YOU. I don't work for a living a gamble once a month.....
Thank you for a positive comment! Lol people get all bent out of shape over this video. It's not like I'm trying to sell anything. It's a system that has been around for a long time. Just sharing it with people who may not know. I use it with a lot of success. If you think it's dumb don't use it. I make up to $5,000 a day on bodog with this
Their are alot of misconception about the second consecutive 7 coming out. The truth is it is a 1 and 36 probability of it coming out. The variable that changes it is in LIVE craps when a 7 comes out the dice are handed over to the next person PLUS they also have the option of picking from a set of six dice and that intentionally throws the 1 and 36 odds out the window and you don't know what to expect. I would suspect they hold the same philosophy for online craps. Plus it is also rigged.
This system is ridiculous. It's based on the gambler's fallacy that one roll influences another. The truth is that EVERY roll of the dice gives you a 1 in 6 chance of hitting a 7, regardless of the previous roll. The system is *decent* because he's covering a lot of numbers. By covering all the numbers, he's got a 67% chance of winning *something*, and a 17% chance of losing. The remaining 16% of the time, nothing happens. I've been testing this out on a free craps game it works fairly well.
what your saying makes sense, i played on practice mode for two hours about every 6 to 7 rolls using this "method" back to back 7's came up and i was back where i started.... so its a waste of time and possibly money
yopu have same odds of hitting a seven on first roll as you do any other roll it doesnt matter how many times you roll it. Like saying if you flip a coin it lands heads it wont land heads again twice in a row this is ignorant
If anyone is watching this video don't try this system. It is one of the most idiotic systems ever thought up by an individual. I gamble for a living and i have a system that has made me a lot of money and it never ever loses.
While it is true that rolling two sevens in a roll is 1 in 36 BEFORE you roll the first one, that "probability" as you call it goes down to 1 in 6 AFTER you wait for that first 7. The probability of throwing a 7 AFTER you've already thrown a 7 is 1 in 6... meaning a bad bad system.
Its not a bad system, I think the trick with this system is to quit early while you're ahead. I've tested this system, it worked ok for about an hour till i got three 7 in a row but i was up $3000 Thanks for the video
and it doesn't matter if you roll the seven 5 times in a row, the seven still has a higher probability(6 ways out of 36) of coming up then any other number on the next roll.
not a very good strategy. You risk losing 600 dollars when a seven comes up when all that money is out there. The best bets in craps are the pass line(with MAX ODDS becuase their true odds-casino has no edge) and the come(same as the pass line but after the point is on). If your going to make place bets, the 6 and the 8 are the best ones to make.
I thought that this made sense at first too then i played for hours on the same site and wasn't making money. I ran the numbers and the expected payout is negative (meaning the casino has an edge). so don't be naive like i was.
I'm a rookie at craps, going to Vegas to gamble (for real) for the first time. This is the eye opening video I've been waiting for. Now I understand the logic behind the movement on the 4-10 numbers. GOOD JOB
This is a fine system. It's been awhile since I've played craps but I don't remember too many back to back sevens. Question ? Do most casinos let you play the lines your playing without a come out bet ? ( I just don't remember ) Thanks you --:)Rod
you are completely wrong with everything your saying.... a 7 is just as likely to roll after you 7 out than it does 100 rolls from then.... waiting for a 7 is pointless your wasting your time and your money
your system is modeled after the most widely used misconception called the gamblers fallacy
you will continue to do this system until you loose all your money guarenteed
waiting for a seven is pointless. the dice do not remember their totals and change them accordingly. back to back sevens is unlikely(1/36), but once one has happened, the next one is still 1/6. this is called the gamblers' fallacy. you cannot beat the casino! they would not allow a game that is beatable!
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"The seven is very unlikely to roll back to back"
In probability theory, an independent series of events, which is what craps is, results in the dice having no memory of what was last thrown. This is a common fallacy in gambling believing previous results affect the next outcome in independent trials. Your odds of rolling a seven on the come doesn't change. It's the same as saying flipping a coin and getting heads means tails is more likely the next flip.
LesPaulElitist 1 year ago
With a little roll of bad luck you only lose a little over a million using this system.
Cliffbrock 1 year ago
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smoku46 1 year ago
Right from the beginning its wrong... When you won that dollar you should not have. When the puck is off you don't make place bets, nor are they affected if you already have money up there...
breiningac 1 year ago
Vouaux is right of course, but I think that the online versions are "less random", and we are also talking about short term odds, not long term, right?
tubehstnr 1 year ago
I would never bet any type of bets online. There are too many scams out there. Its poker sites tryin to make money. online gambling is stupid! Bottom line
jtbanger81 2 years ago
yep the 7 is due to com eup once on every third roll.. but this is one of the better strategies thanks sir
hukeeaboo 2 years ago
Only problem I see is you are basically betting 600 to win around 120 if 6 8 hits or at most 200 if 4 10 hit. if you start out bad you can lose FAST
daniel29bullock 2 years ago
Eliminate 7 I made an error.
TheMedici23 2 years ago
I like the theory....what are the odds pay if you hit a 4-5-6-7-8 or 9, 10? 2-1 or higher? Thanks.
TheMedici23 2 years ago
Well it works for me. What else can I say about it?
spjagoff 2 years ago
So stupid to play the electronic craps, none of them are right. After a 7 rolls and the puck is OFF, those place bets are NOT affected by ANYTHING.
breiningac 2 years ago
idiot, each roll is independant from the last 7 has more combos on the dice than any other number so infact you would have a greater chance to roll a 7 than any other number....so dumb
vouaux 2 years ago 5
Vouaux is right. To the chances of rolling a 7 are the same on every roll every time (1:6). If you try to predict the outcome of 2 rolls of the dice BEFORE the first roll (eg rolling 7 two times in a row) the chances are 1:36. However - do not make the mistake of thinking that if a 7 is rolled once, that there is only a 1 in 36 chance that it will roll again - that would be WRONG since you are still determining the odds of ONE roll, regardless of what has previously rolled.
gavinottawa 1 year ago
@vouaux Spoken like a true cunt. You have a greater chance to roll a 7 than any other number but you have a MUCH greater chance of rolling every other number besides a 7. Ever heard of an Iron Cross? Blackjack has less than a 50% chance of winning while this strategy carries around a 66% chance to win. The real question is why wouldn't you do this?
vicprobey 1 year ago
@vicprobey lmao you make no sense you dumb fking twat, each roll is INDEPENDANT OF THE LAST ROLL, NO DICE ARE REMOVED.....IN BJ CARDS ARE REMOVED CHANGING VARIABLES you have no clue what you are talking about. your % are off iron cross lmao you are fking clueless buddy keep trying to be a winning gambler loser....theres more combos of 7 than any other number therefore greater chance it will HIT, god your dumb lol do some math and common sense
vouaux 1 year ago
@vouaux hahahha So obviously you don't know the game of craps or math so I'll let you get back to where you belong. Sitting on top of your dead dad's dick.
vicprobey 1 year ago
@vicprobey once again you make a fking stupid comment making no sense, like i said your a fucking moron and have not 1 clue what your talking about. I work surveillance and have dealt many years. Now go renew your visa you immigrant and come lose more money in vegas like a loser that you are. NOTHING i said was even close to being wrong lol infact ive made more sense than anyone on these comments. You must feel so right inside and your in denial. peace old man
vouaux 1 year ago
@vicprobey answer me this also? If there are MORE COMBOS TO MAKE 7 ON THE DICE, HOW ARE ALL THE OTHER NUMBERS GREATER CHANCE TO ROLL? LOL YOUR DUMB AS FUCKKKKK
vouaux 1 year ago
@vouaux What a dumb fucking cunt...surveillance!!! hahaha a losers job.
There is a 17% chance to roll a 7 on any given roll, that means there is a 83% chance you won't roll a 7 and a 66.66% chance you will hit a place bet (4,5,6,8,9,10). So every time this guy rolls he has a 67% chance to win and a 17% chance to lose. So rolling 1 time and taking the bets down has odds heavily in favor of the shooter.
Get it dicknose?
vicprobey 1 year ago
@vicprobey ok dickhead you obviously didnt read what i posted FIRST, of course ANY one of those numbers in a combo has a chance to come more combos than 7 you idiot fuck, i said EACH ROLL IS INDEPENDANT and 7 still has the most combos than any other number. Your talking shit to me about a totally different concept you stupid fuck. MY POINT was stating theres no system worthy when a 7 wipes ALL BETS you fucking dumb immigrant. $60K a year on the strip to watch cams loser job YAAAA OK
vouaux 1 year ago
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@vicprobey ok dickhead you obviously didnt read what i posted FIRST, of course ANY one of those numbers in a combo has a chance to come more combos than 7 you idiot fuck, i said EACH ROLL IS INDEPENDANT and 7 still has the most combos than any other number. Your talking shit to me about a totally different concept you stupid fuck. MY POINT was stating theres no system worthy when a 7 wipes ALL BETS you fucking dumb immigrant. $60K a year on the strip to watch cams loser job YAAAA OK
vouaux 1 year ago
your Hard
mattdoering 2 years ago
Ya this is horible!
stevo420king 2 years ago
"The seven is unlikely to hit back-to-back" Moronic statement. All numbers are unlikely to repeat, but ONE number, the 7 in MOST likely to repeat.
Your results are non-instructive, the sample far too small.
If you believe so much in this system, (at the end you state, "this is a great way to win") then risk real money to prove it instead of using the practice mode on a site which will take your real money bet.
MarkH10 2 years ago
haha I tried this, got to about 1400 bucks, and then I rolled 7 three times in a row.
forktie 2 years ago
making 100 bucks on craps isnt that diffcult dude lol ur one sorry ass person
underworldremake 2 years ago
The 7 is unlikely to roll back-to-back?
That must be because the dice remember what they did on the last roll. How stupid can someone be?
Vegas is for shows and food. Gambling is for losers.
dumnuts1 2 years ago
I love these guys who use "PRACTICE" mode....You really want to impress people?...show us that you win IN "REAL MONEY" mode! I doubt that they will do that, because there are no "REAL" systems.....And by the way, the number 7 has a higher chance to come out more then any other number on the dice.
karlriffic 2 years ago 2
100 bucks can be saved by betting the big 6/8 instead of making separte bets on 6/8
jessesam 2 years ago
@jessesam
The house edge on the Big 6 or 8 is 16%.
It's a sucker bet.
dumnuts1 2 years ago 2
The seven is very unlikely to roll back to back.
You are a complete idiot. The seven is just as likely to hit on every roll. Each roll is an independent event with the same odds as the last roll.
Your system is what the house depends on, and how the house makes money.
morrisey0 2 years ago 7
@morrisey0 This system is the best way to make money you just need the bankroll to be able to double and triple up if necessary...a 7 is not likely to hit back to back because there is only a 17% chance that a 7 will hit ever.
vicprobey 1 year ago
@morrisey0 It is true that back-to-back 7s are unlikely - back-to-back 7s has a 1/36 probability, same as a single 2 or 12. Of course, waiting until the first 7 hits and then betting against a second 7 on the basis of the first one is nonsensical.
jesusthroughmary 1 year ago
@morrisey0 "You are a complete idiot. The seven is just as likely to hit on every roll. Each roll is an independent event with the same odds as the last roll." If we were talking about real dice you would be 100% correct. However in the world of Bodog Craps you do not know if that statement is idiotic or absolutely true. It would be dumb for Bodog to make a craps simulation that does anything but produce random numbers, but in my experience the numbers are not perfectly random.
Snootwaller 1 year ago
@morrisey0 this would be true...however its an online version therefore the software used can never truly be random therefore this system truley CAN work
cjonns55 9 months ago
Anyone that uses this system is GUARANTEED to go broke sooner or later.
First of all, if you're in a casino, you will be in the odd position of spreading these place bets and telling the dealer you want them "working" when ordinarily they would be "off" during a come out roll.
Secondly, it's VERY common for a shooter to throw more than one 7 in a row. Let's say the shooter throws three 7"s. Now you're down 18 bets. Will you be ready to risk 6 more to win one?
Simple warning. Don't use this.
CribNotes 2 years ago
in b4 gambler's fallacy? I was unaware that rolling a 7 alters the probability of getting another 7.
mikealope 2 years ago
get off yer high horse!
rainxxxx 2 years ago
The odds of rolling a 7 in craps is 1 in 6, there are many articles written on probability etc. which explain how dice throws work and the odds associated.
The key element of randomness (real world) is not present in the online casino. This has to be calculated, and since computers are inherently not random, the randomness is emulated.
What spjagoff has demonstrated here is the skewed probability/randomness algorithms in use on the play for fun/free/side of online casinos.
There are no dice!
ducky102 2 years ago
that is crap^^
EasyStu007 2 years ago
the gamber's fallacy at work, this is how people lose lots of money at the casino
wing1914 2 years ago
I am a craps dealer myself, i have seen 10 7s in a roll or 10 crap numbers in a roll, each roll is independent, the previous roll does not affact the next roll. also, there is no "good" system on the table. casino has math advantage on the odds, in a long run, no matter how you play, you will lose.
Well, it doesn't mean you cant make money, if you walk to a table and its on a hot roll, you can make thousands of dollars, BUT, that is all luck. Also, remember, HIT AND RUN! that;s the onlyway!!!
redpanda416 2 years ago 2
pursuey: 50 7s in a row is unlikely, of course. If you look at 50 events instead of 1 that is probablity. That is entirely different from what this guy's "system" proposes. Each roll of the dice is an independent event. The prior roll, prior 50 rolls, prior 10,000 roles have no bearing on that single role.
Casino's exist for a reason: they make money because they always have the advantage. Ignorance of basic math doesn't change this advantage.
kwedar 2 years ago
Yeah it can be risky. it's more of a quick hit system. Do it once or twice and take the money and play the pass line or whatever and be more conservative.
spjagoff 2 years ago
but i must say it is pretty risky i have caught some 7's before
pursueyadreams 2 years ago
Ahhhh gambler's fallacy?
Each roll is independent. A 7 is equally likely to come up on any given roll. A 7 could come up 50 times in a row and it's just as likely to come up on the 51st roll as it was on the first 50 rolls.
Take a math class.
kwedar 2 years ago
are you serious 50 times in a row, though it is possible i dont think anybody in this lifetime will see someone roll 50 7's in a row at a casino ^.^, take a reality class
pursueyadreams 2 years ago
I have used this system about 3 times, all winners. All Atlantic city.
After a 7 OUT, I spread $25 on each number and say "working on the come out roll" then hope for a 4 or 10. After this I just say off.
Winner winner chicken dinner.
nixonssss 2 years ago
How does he bet max on the numbers after the seven. I thought you could only play the pass line after the seven until point was established.
NoogLeader 2 years ago
Just say "x bet across the top" and "WORKING ON THE COME OUT ROLL"
FYI - IM going on a comped trip the Laughlin, NV (free flight and 6 nights, 2 ppl) at Harrahs. I plan on using this exclusively.
nixonssss 2 years ago
Never heard of that before. This is very interesting to me. I am not meaning to sound like I don't believe you with my next questions I just got into Craps and Black Jack recently and have a lot of questions for Craps. Black Jack is fun but I found that craps is more entertaining. Most of the time I play the 6 and 8 rolls after point. But it hasn't made me much money.
Does this method work everywhere?
Why don't I ever see this method used in Vegas?
NoogLeader 2 years ago
It's primarilly for online craps. I use it on bodog daily. See the link in the video info to learn about playing there. I know people who play this way in land based casinos. There just aren't many around my area to play at. Plus I like to make money in my pajamas lol
spjagoff 2 years ago
it works i used it here in detroit but i played about 100 or every number and about 10 a piece on 2,3,12,11, for one roll then im off i use to do it about 2/3 times a day
pursueyadreams 2 years ago
what do you mean?
honda00CR500 2 years ago
The rules are different in different casinos and always less restrictive at online casinos. You play the pass line before the point is established always though, and put odds bets on your pass line bet after the point has been rolled. Then you play until a 7 is rolled if you are playing the pass line. Watch my video "pass line betting made simple"
spjagoff 2 years ago
My experience shows that online gaming like bodog does perform differently than actual dice, unquestionably so. Playing this at a real table would be one heck of a risk to take. Devastating loses with the 7's probabilities, yikes!
fullyinfinite 2 years ago
Best part of this video?? "7's not likely to roll 2 times in a row...". Bwahaha! Did the casino pay you to say that?
Signed,
A Las Vegas Craps Dealer
Divasgone 2 years ago
Well in a live casino a lot more depends on the shooter. I've thrown the same number in a row 10 times in live play before. Try it at an online casino though. Doesn't happen often
spjagoff 2 years ago
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redtide08 2 years ago
That is one dangerous system. Your exposing yourself to that seven. I've seen and thown 4 or 5 sevens in a row. Your best bet is to play on the pass line and only take MAX 2 times odds followed by 2 COME bets with MAX 2 x odds This is one of the best systems to date for craps. Try it you'll be pleased. The come bet exposses you to the numbers that are hot for that shooter. Every shooter has it's own hot numbers. Never play across, that is one sure way of loosing.
sparti555 2 years ago
This worked for me one time. Thanks!
joojiebee 2 years ago
back to back sevens happen 1/6 times, after you roll the first seven. mathematically speaking, waiting for the first seven doesn't change the probability of the second roll. it's still 1/6.
josda1000 2 years ago
But the odds of rolling seven back to back is 1/6th times 1/6th, which is different from the odds that seven will show up in general.
richyrich12887 2 years ago
Josda - you know Roulette, right? Would you be retarded enough to claim that 1/38 times, the same number comes up twice? That just doesn't happen. It might happen once or twice per day, but nay much more. You're making the exact same claim in relation to a 7 coming up twice in craps. Realistically, it actually doesn't happen too often. A 7 two times in a row might happen 1/36 times that 7 comes up, as richyrich has pointed out.
Sviolinist 2 years ago
If you are playing double zero then yes, the same number will hit twice in a row 1/38 times because each spin is independent from one another. However, if you are trying to call out a number that is going to hit 2 times in a row then that is a completly different story. That is why this guy's system is flawed. He is not betting against two 7's in a row, he is betting against a 7. It doesnt matter if a 7 just came because it has just as much a chance to hit as it did before. Simple odds.
BriDirt 2 years ago
Odds are simple, yes, but you should try researching probability. Your mathematics are somewhat flawed. Odds only describe independent rolls or spins that are not connected to a larger system of rolls. Probability helps you to understand how rolls, spins, etc., are related to one another. The chances of the same number coming up twice are actually somewhat different from independent odds.
Sviolinist 2 years ago
thats my point, the rolls or spins are not related to one another. Unless the croupie somehow throws the ball a certain way to draw specific numbers then it is completely random. If the first spin is a 12, then there is a 1 in 38 chance that the next one will be 12 too. It doesnt even matter if the 12 was hit before either. The casinos usually pay 35 or 36 to 1 when the odds of hitting are really 37 or 38 to 1. Casinos work on odds thats how they get paid.
BriDirt 2 years ago
@Sviolinist The problem is that when you look at probability, people assume that a pattern of numbers/colors/etc is less probable than a random set of the same thing. For example, if I asked which was more probable in Roulette, red, red, red, red, red, or, red, black black, red, black, most people would say the latter is more probable. However, this isn't the case, because both are just as likely to happen.
fullbloodlion 2 years ago
In Craps however it is a bit different. Because the 7 is more likely to be rolled, it is actually more probable to roll a few sevens in a row than any other combination.
fullbloodlion 2 years ago
I want to respond to everyone's comment here by tipping the scale sideways. You are all right, and you are all wrong. It's a Pandora's box. You can control the roll of the dice with telekinesis. Believe me or don't, it matters not. All I am saying is that the roll of the shooter and his or her mindset is very important. Watch a game or two of craps - the people with no confidence rarely shoot well. I won a lot of money off a gentlemen on a cruise ship who said "my name is lucky" - won like $100.
Sviolinist 2 years ago
I don't need to watch a couple of games, I play enough already. I have seen people with a lot of confidence seven out after rolling the point, and people that are completely clueless or with no confidence roll point after point after point. There is nothing but statistics and random chance at play. Sometimes I go to play and come back a couple hundred richer, sometimes I lose my entire bankroll. That's how craps works, like it or not.
fullbloodlion 2 years ago
Telekinetic dice is possible but very rare. Not just the shooter who makes it happen. The whole table of players is in on it mentally. The shooter is the "shaman" while the other players are the "congregation".
Hard to find since most players at tables are EXPECTING TO LOSE.
It's like fishing -waiting for the magic combination of factors. Bet it right and you're golden. Once found a dice "priestess" who threw 6's like it was the only thing on the dice. Turned $20 into $8000 in 1/2 hour.
CribNotes 2 years ago
you talk more bs than a lump of shit!
rainxxxx 2 years ago
@Sviolinist
WOW !!!##%%@@
A WHOLE HUNDRED DOLLARS?
You're a freaking genius.
dumnuts1 2 years ago
Carefull, in real money mode, it craps sometimes 3times in a row.....
nutdpl 2 years ago
i play this system in detroit but you dont even have to wait for a point to be established......but i clear off after one roll, but i also add like $5 a piece on 2, 3, 12, 11, so no matter what comes i win at least 60$ and at the most like $150 then i clear off, but it is risky because if a 7 comes i lose a big amount, i do this bet about fives times and then im out of there lol....pays good though.....
pursueyadreams 2 years ago
correct. this system is for online craps. land based casinos make you wait til a point is established to make place bets
spjagoff 2 years ago
don't go to a real casino in Vegas and try this because they hold the place bets off on the come out roll.
bykboy125 2 years ago
u can call ur bets on if u want they will put an on button on them. u can have ur place bets on all night if u want. this system is dumb though.
dustman1240 2 years ago
real casino you just ask to keep the bets on or "let them work" and the dealer will know you want it on, they by default not work those bets because passline your looking for the seven (or eleven) thus counter betting your place.
DeshGTP 2 years ago
You can make a PLACE bet at anytime, providing you call them ON WORKING.
Keeping in mind on the COME OUT the 7 has high degree of probability of showing, I know the odds are still 1 in 6 But somehow not on the COME OUT roll.
sparti555 2 years ago
You know I've noticed that in the play money mode too. You would think they'd keep you winning there so you play for real money. However I play daily for real money on bodog and don't notice the pattern there. I find it to be the fairest online casino. Doyles room is good also
spjagoff 2 years ago
I've played that version of craps...I think several sites use the same engine. The thing I noticed is that it seems the algorithms track your bets...I may be crazy but playing the pass line I only hit the point number once in hundreds of rolls. The moment I switched to playing the dont pass line the point number hit consistantly...coincidence...perhaps....but strange.
klugyboy 2 years ago
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KR0NKE23 2 years ago
Well odds yes you are right. The odds are the same on every roll regardless of what came in the past. I should have worded it differently. I should have said it's unlikely to roll back to back 7's. Bodog is the fairest overall casino on the internet. They give their customers a great chance at winning. I am not trying to sell any ebook system to people with this video or anything. This is really the system I play everyday. I make a great living with it! I'm simply sharing with others
spjagoff 2 years ago
take a class in statistics. Rolling a 7 back to back is only low odds if u bet on it before u roll either 7, if u already rolled a 7, the chance of rolling a back to back 7 is the same....
makfeen808 2 years ago
I agree that what you are using is a great but very risky system however there is no point to wait untill a 7 hits unless you are supersticious. People often this that your chances of hitting a 7 after rolling a 7 is less likly then just hitting one after any number which is untrue. However I would just like to point out that this is a good system but there is no need to wait for a 7 to hit, the probobility will be the same either way
3900incomeGDI 2 years ago
Correct.. I know it seems like you are risking a lot of money, but my recommendation is based of year of playing online craps and winning with this strategy. It's not for everybody, but this system bought my house!
spjagoff 2 years ago
I wouldn't use this shitty system on a REAL table.When 7 starts coming every few rolls your freaking screwed.
Plus how long do you leave these BUY bets up, they are NOT place bets?
dontswin 2 years ago
The video is just a demo. I normally only leave them up for the first roll to double my hundred or better depending what's rolled. Then take em down til a 7 comes again to play safe
spjagoff 2 years ago
EXACTLY! Somebody does it right! You just take the bet down after the first roll. Then wait for a 7 and repeat. You will make a big profit. You are going to lose that whole row of bets eventually, but you will be up more far more than that by the time it happens!
casinoMogul 2 years ago
Cool vid man 5 stars from me. A lot of haters lol, but I do well with this system too. I just signed up for bodog through your link. Great casino too! Thanks. Check my channel out in a couple days. I'm new to youtube, but I'll be posting some gambling videos too
miketsp00 2 years ago
FUCK YOU DOCBAR84 I've won 5k in atlantic city playing like this i just started out smaller and then if i did hit a 7 i would double on the next roll, and then again if i had to, win and then stop and move on to the next game. Roulette, baccarat, i made 28k in a week. Now i live in Vegas so FUCK YOU. I don't work for a living a gamble once a month.....
doitebay123 2 years ago
Thank you for a positive comment! Lol people get all bent out of shape over this video. It's not like I'm trying to sell anything. It's a system that has been around for a long time. Just sharing it with people who may not know. I use it with a lot of success. If you think it's dumb don't use it. I make up to $5,000 a day on bodog with this
spjagoff 2 years ago
Their are alot of misconception about the second consecutive 7 coming out. The truth is it is a 1 and 36 probability of it coming out. The variable that changes it is in LIVE craps when a 7 comes out the dice are handed over to the next person PLUS they also have the option of picking from a set of six dice and that intentionally throws the 1 and 36 odds out the window and you don't know what to expect. I would suspect they hold the same philosophy for online craps. Plus it is also rigged.
EnigmaEternity 2 years ago
This system is ridiculous. It's based on the gambler's fallacy that one roll influences another. The truth is that EVERY roll of the dice gives you a 1 in 6 chance of hitting a 7, regardless of the previous roll. The system is *decent* because he's covering a lot of numbers. By covering all the numbers, he's got a 67% chance of winning *something*, and a 17% chance of losing. The remaining 16% of the time, nothing happens. I've been testing this out on a free craps game it works fairly well.
dcpugh 2 years ago
what your saying makes sense, i played on practice mode for two hours about every 6 to 7 rolls using this "method" back to back 7's came up and i was back where i started.... so its a waste of time and possibly money
itzamia 2 years ago
yopu have same odds of hitting a seven on first roll as you do any other roll it doesnt matter how many times you roll it. Like saying if you flip a coin it lands heads it wont land heads again twice in a row this is ignorant
adamvahle 2 years ago
If anyone is watching this video don't try this system. It is one of the most idiotic systems ever thought up by an individual. I gamble for a living and i have a system that has made me a lot of money and it never ever loses.
DOCBAR84 2 years ago
key thing to notice on the vid is that he is on practice mode...on real mode he will get owned.
flex2000i 2 years ago
definitely he sound like butthead
flex2000i 2 years ago
this dude sounds like beavis or butthead
yomeesho66 2 years ago
i wouldnt use real cash 2 wins then double seven lol
crmish 2 years ago
While it is true that rolling two sevens in a roll is 1 in 36 BEFORE you roll the first one, that "probability" as you call it goes down to 1 in 6 AFTER you wait for that first 7. The probability of throwing a 7 AFTER you've already thrown a 7 is 1 in 6... meaning a bad bad system.
rmgillsp 2 years ago
I sure hope no one is actually buying into this garbage. Anyone with half a brain knows it's B.S.
LeonPower139 2 years ago
wtf i tried this system an had 20 euro and what are we suposed to putt it on i only lost an when i won i didnt get the money?
lisemaa 3 years ago
not a good system. hard 6 and 8...... all the way
PIONEER19733 3 years ago
Its not a bad system, I think the trick with this system is to quit early while you're ahead. I've tested this system, it worked ok for about an hour till i got three 7 in a row but i was up $3000 Thanks for the video
topspeed1983 3 years ago
and it doesn't matter if you roll the seven 5 times in a row, the seven still has a higher probability(6 ways out of 36) of coming up then any other number on the next roll.
gparks2010 3 years ago
not a very good strategy. You risk losing 600 dollars when a seven comes up when all that money is out there. The best bets in craps are the pass line(with MAX ODDS becuase their true odds-casino has no edge) and the come(same as the pass line but after the point is on). If your going to make place bets, the 6 and the 8 are the best ones to make.
gparks2010 3 years ago
I thought that this made sense at first too then i played for hours on the same site and wasn't making money. I ran the numbers and the expected payout is negative (meaning the casino has an edge). so don't be naive like i was.
HJS1315 3 years ago
can you play this at a real Casino? I will be waiting on my answer.
icegemini82 3 years ago
I'm a rookie at craps, going to Vegas to gamble (for real) for the first time. This is the eye opening video I've been waiting for. Now I understand the logic behind the movement on the 4-10 numbers. GOOD JOB
subprimesalas 3 years ago
This is a fine system. It's been awhile since I've played craps but I don't remember too many back to back sevens. Question ? Do most casinos let you play the lines your playing without a come out bet ? ( I just don't remember ) Thanks you --:)Rod
Cliffbrock 3 years ago
you are completely wrong with everything your saying.... a 7 is just as likely to roll after you 7 out than it does 100 rolls from then.... waiting for a 7 is pointless your wasting your time and your money
your system is modeled after the most widely used misconception called the gamblers fallacy
you will continue to do this system until you loose all your money guarenteed
groana66 3 years ago
bingo
cgeatz 3 years ago
Dude snap out of it craps is there to make money for the casino.
allinrizzo 3 years ago
waiting for a seven is pointless. the dice do not remember their totals and change them accordingly. back to back sevens is unlikely(1/36), but once one has happened, the next one is still 1/6. this is called the gamblers' fallacy. you cannot beat the casino! they would not allow a game that is beatable!
backman4 3 years ago