funny how you say that when the bible left schools, in went guns. i think the people who want the bible in schools are probably the same people who want guns (at least somewhere, if not strapped to their 3rd grader's waist for "protection")
@davydawgdawg "We want the bible in schools! Without the bible, people are taking guns to school and kill people. Also, we want to be able to take guns to school in case we need to kill people. Yeeehaaaw!!"
You are better off teaching your children about Jesus Christ, because they are your children and you are the greatest role model those children have. Why should the Bible be taught in public schools? Teachers aren't paid enough to deal with that extra load. Furthermore, children in religious classes act up as well. If they act up when they are being taught about the Bible at church, what is to stop me from assuming that it will not happen in the classroom?
In 1955, The Blackboard Jungle was released. This novel detailed problems that had already existed in the inner-city schools prior to the expulsion of school prayers in 1963. In fact, this novel was released right around the same time that "In God We Trust" became our national motto. This is a fallacious argument you are making.
What don't theists understand about logical fallacy? How can something like, for instance, causation-correlation fallacy (bibles iz gone so kids act more baddur, hyuck) be used with such confidence?
Why do we try to reason? They can't handle the unpredictability of life, and more importantly, their mortality. It's hopeless.
We need to find other ways to rail against their oppressive nature. Beating a dead horse is useless; why do free minds insist on talking to the dead horse's ass?
The US unemployment rate is 2% higher than Switzerland while our crime rate is 5 times higher. While this could all be attributed to these other factors... it doesn't quite defeat my point about crime/religion. My point is that God != Good by definition.
amongst dozens of logical and factual inconsistencies in your arguement, the divorce rates are highest in america amongst the born again christian population (27% of born-again Christians have had at least one divorce, as well as 24% in non-born again christians) and is lowest in the athiest population (21% of atheists have been divorced). How do you explain this?
Geronami, you just made up those statistics or in any case, the stats don't prove your point if you disregard the fact that guns also become more prevalent in society since the 60s. And the Bible did not play a key role in the founding of USA. Most of the Founding Fathers were deists.
@fact3r 34% of the US constitution comes from the bible, the declaration of independence is based off a book by john locke called the two treaties of government and the bible is quoted more than 1500 times in this book.
@1s23d Not true: " about three-quarters of all the Bible citations that make up that 34% came from sermons. And this bumps the Bible down into the range of classical influences for all the documents that weren't sermons, and moves the enlightenment and whig influences into the number one and two spots for all the documents that weren't sermons." I'd link the source if YouTube didn't filter links.
@1s23d First of all, you're making an assumption here that Obama isn't a natural born citizen, which has been disproved in every reasonable way. Second, Leviticus 19:34 just said to treat aliens as native-born so looks like you just pointed out a contradiction.
@fact3r The bible was taught in school all the way up to 1963 two supreme court rulings without any past precidence took prayer and the bible out of public schools at the time america was number one in the world in literacy now with the godless democrats running the public school system we are 28 in the world in literacy even some third world nations are ahead of us in literacy.
@1s23d Fallacy: correlation doesn't imply causation. I'll also point out that literacy is LOWEST in the part of the country that are the most religious. So, don't blame the godless democrats: the "godless" parts have much higher literacy rankings.
@fact3r The more democratic parts of the country also have the lowest fertitlity rates in the country compared to red state america. Higher tax rates and higher abortion rates keep population growth under control. The future is going to get even more red in america as time goes on, so red state america is a safe bet.
@1s23d Actually, red state america is dying off, thus the intense hatred and backlash. Red state america produces the least capital for the nation and consumes the most federal funds. They are the most valueless part of America. Look up GDP production by state and look up federal fund recipients by state.
@1s23d You are correct: higher education levels tend to have reduced number of offspring: that's true globally. So I guess your argument is "red states are better because we have more babies?" Do you realize that red state have the highest incidents of unwed teenage mothers?
@1s23d And you didn't address what I just pointed out, that the majority of the "34%" is actually sermons and that regardless, it doesn't make it "Christian" because otherwise, the Bible itself wouldn't be Christian.
@1s23d@1s23d And you didn't address what I just pointed out, that the majority of the "34%" is actually sermons and that regardless, it doesn't make it "Christian" because otherwise, the Bible itself wouldn't be Christian.
@1s23d You are also forgetting that the early settlers were FLEEING from Christian governments: why would they want to recreate the same intolerance here?
@fact3r I was lied to in school and it appears that you were too, In order to get some unfiltered american history get david bartons american heritage dvd series. Article 3 section 3 witnesses and capital punishment: Deuteronomy 17:6
@1s23d No, I wasn't lied to, I actually read the papers written by the prominent framers of the constitution. You are the one being lied to by evangelical David Barton and his revisionist history. I also see that you are drawing similarities between Bible quotes and America law as if that some how concludes those ideas were original in the biblical text. That's a logical fallacy.
@fact3r Its is nothing to be ashamed of, people who are teaching history have a political agenda because history affects public policy today. I am just trying to get some truth out there. The least religious founders were ben franklin and thomas jefferson, jefferson actually allocated federal funds to christianize the native americans, ben franklin actually allocated federal funds for bibles in the classrooms. These actions today would seem down right evangelical
@1s23d Like I said: I've read the papers and you are misrepresenting the truth, and for that you should absolutely be ashamed. Yes, maybe more people were religious in the past, but the world is changing. People are abandoning myths. Study after study equate religiosity to lower IQ, higher incidents of child abuse, sex abuse, etc. You have a mythical view that things were better in a fantasy idea of American history that doesn't exist.
@fact3r Back to the constitution, article 3 section 3 provision against attainder: ezekiel 18:20.Isaiah 33:22 three branches of government. Ezra 7:24 tax exemption for churches.
@1s23d Fallacy: this doesn't prove that this part of the constitution was based on that part of the Bible. Also, you didn't answer my earlier question about the inconsistency in your quotes that you yourself referenced (about natural versus alien citizens being treated equal)
@fact3r Republicanism- article IV section 4 (elections at local county,state and federal levels) exodus 18:21. Noah webster responsible for article I, section 8 paragraph 8 cited exodus18:21
@fact3r The settlers did not want an anti christian country, they wanted a country without a national religion, but they did want religion in the public realm. America is the longest constitutional republic in the world we have been on the same piece of paper since 1776 because our founding documents are biblically inspired.
@1s23d This nation DOES have religion open in the public realm. You're the one that wants it open in the government, which is different. No one is putting forward bans on Christianity, just keeping it out of the government, which is quite different.
@fact3r Actually do you know that in congress before any legislation was passed they had religious leaders look it over in congress to see if it was biblical or not. Where is separation of church and state in the constitution i have a copy and i can't seem to find that part?
@1s23d When was this? Can you site a reference? Because they certainly don't do that now, otherwise slavery would never have been abolished. Also, where in the constitution does it say this is a Christian nation?
@1s23d Also, you're once again making a fallacy that the "same piece of paper" is working because it was biblically inspired. The bible is mostly pagan, so what you meant is Pagan inspired, and even then, other governments, including FAILED MONARCHIES also made the same claim.
@fact3r Look at post chrisitan europe how in a few decades it will be an islamic state because muslims are the only ones bothering to have kids.The world is changing?
@1s23d The world is changing, that's WHY it is important to keep govt separate from churches. Do you want Europe to be islamic or do you want them to keep their government separate from the muslims? Do you want America to become muslim if they outnumber Christians or do you want to reinforce the precedent that has existed (with obvious violations as well) of keeping church and state separate. You realize that if you want church in schools, it will ultimately be Catholic b/c of their numbers?
@fact3r Russia has had 4 constitutions, brazil has had 4, poland 5, afganistan 6, france 15, and so on. 90 founders framed the bill of rights, 55 did the US constitution, 56 framed the declaration of independence. 95% of these men were christians.
@1s23d The religious preference of the men doesn't mean anything. Why didn't the 95% of the men explicitly state that the government is Christian in all of those documents (or indeed any?) If that's what they wanted, they would have explicitly said it. But they didn't. And if you read their other works, they were quite explicit about separation of church and state. You're still trying to use correlation as an argument and it isn't.
usa is going down because they turned away from the Most High, her destruction is coming and the power she had is going to be shifted to another nation mabie russia, china who knows
If we allowed bibles in American public schools, we aren't doing what the founding fathers intended. They wanted separation of church and state. They wanted freedom. Forcing schools to teach from the Bible will actually reduce freedom in America because that action will imply that America has only one religion. Is America a theocracy? I would like someone to answer that question!
My Lord and savior Jesus Christ, What has America done. Thank you for specking the truth. You will be blessed! Thanks for the seeds. Wake up America!!!
The Bible is the most historically accurate book ever written. Even if one does not believe in Jesus or any God for that matter, the simple fact that the Bible has withstood the test of time remains. All the Bible hating people of the world have tried to rip it apart, but they can't. FYI the Bible is scientifically accurate. I challenge you to prove me wrong (with facts and not just politically correct ideas).
im sorry you cant write the 'bible is the most historically accurate book ever written' and expect to be taken seriously, none ever claimed that everything in it is complete fantasy, none claimed it isn't a first person account of what was going on at that time, of course that doesn't prove that the people writing it were correct to believe stories they'd heard involving miracles etc.
of course i cant scientifically prove it wrong because if i say to you well, its scientifically proven that you cant walk on water you'll just say yeah well that doesnt apply to jesus does it now, so what am i supposed to say
people arent believing directly in jesus, what they are believing in is the factual accuracy of the 4standard gospels, that is the substance, nothing else, you never met jesus never read anything by him, no, all there is is those 4 books, now im not convinced that thats what people mean when they say they are a Christian or hold Chrisian values, those gospels certainly dont mention abortion, gay marriage etc you dont believe in jesus you believe in things that have come to be associated with him
Since the Bible went out of the schools, the homerun records in baseball have been broken. More iPods have been sold than ever before. Cures for many diseases have been discovered. Correlation? Sure, why not? Makes just as much sense as your premise. Actually, ANY scientific advances during that time probably are a direct result of getting GOD out of school. More reason and rationality was able to flourish.
Actually, rates of violent crimes and property crimes have been going down since the mid 90's, in 2005 the violent crime rate was at its lowest EVER in the United States, its simply fear mongering like this that gives people the perception that things are worse than they were, its media sensationalism.
why not teach Gita, Quran, Torah & Zend Avesta in public schools? Bible supports all immoral things of today and so do other holy books. Why have religion taught in schools? Just because one thing happened in the absence of other doesn't mean that the absence of 2nd thing caused the 1st thing... How stupid a person can get.... you pin head.
With the many religion and demoniton in america, I think that learning about the bible should not be required in schools. Bible classes could be elective but not required by the federal government
This has to be the most idiotic video ever. The bible had nothing to do with the prevention of the problems you listed. The bib;e classes were stopped because people saw reason. They stoped listening to christian pressure and realised that america is a secular nation and so its schools should be too. School is not a place for indoctrination. The US should follow the UK model and give NEUTRAL lessons on ALL major religions.
when abe was a boy the only book he had in his house was a bible which he read alot, I believe the bible is what impacted his life and is what made him into a great president.
Thanks God Bible teaching has stopped, it teaches incest, female submission to males, pornography, racism. THe idea that one are th choosen people while the rest are all dogs and swines is in itself racist.
i'm not sure what bible you've read, but it seems more severe than any I've poked through. Of course it was written in ancient times when the world was even more brutal than today. Then it's been reinterpreted a few times with some edits. All in all, I think the lessons are meant to teach good things, like most holy text. The danger is in what we humans do when we are aloud proclaim the teachings of divinity. We seem to go a bit nutty.
1 samuel 6.19 /deutonomy chapter 25 verse 11,12 /Gen 19:33--36/ Gen 20:12/ Gen 11:29/ Gen 28:8--9/ Gen 36:2--3/ Genesis 29/ Genesis 36/ Exod 6:20/ Num 36: 5—12/ 2 Samuel 13
Bible does not support anything you mentioned. It is still the best selling book for the last hundred years. Chosen people doesnot mean that rest are dogs. Jews were used by God to reach the entire world. Jesus' message was carried by Paul and apostles to the rest of the world
cfrb you are stupid, a muslim trying to tell a christian how to be a christain?. I think you need to stay off this channel , maybe a muslim channel go spread your lies somewhere else.
The Problem is paul taught his own teaching to the rest of the world, jesus never said trinity or crucifixation, but its paul. Jesus himself said he is sent by God to the Jews only, but paul is saying the opposite
very true brother, same problem we have in England, they take prayer out of the classrooms, take Bible and christian literature out, in our hospitals and prisons they take the Bible out also in case it offends other faiths, These are the signs and we must stand up against the masses Just like Our Lord Jesus stood up against the masses. God bless
You are right, my friend, Europe has rejected the Bible and today their birthrates are so low that Europe as we knew it might soon cease to exist within a generation. That is happening even in America. Liberals are spoiling this country with all kinds of filth. But thank God, there is increased hunger for the Bible in many countries around the world.
My friend who works in the Middle East told me that people there are secretly buying and reading the Bible. America is so blessed by God, now they are rich and wealthy, they are kicking God out of this country. In China Christianity is growing like a wild fire.
Who cares,what has god done for anyone?Religion is the leading cause of war in the history of the entire of world.Maybe all the things such as teen pregnancies,rapes,shooting and such have happened because we as American let the youth watch shit like bet that glorifies killing and rape and hatred towards women and we sit back and do nothing about it
What is right and wrong goes beyond religion. It goes beyond any god. Drawing on religion, philosophy and experience our country has created laws. Those laws can be used to instill civil morality. We do not steal, we do not kill, we work to better the human condition. These things can be taught without the introduction of a god. As a non-christian I am extremely aware of the majority of the citizens claiming to be. I live in fear of someone elses faith being installed in my system of government.
Irony is many people who immigrate to America for the ideals this nation stands for are fearful of the very culture from which these values and ideals sprouted.
After they took the bible out of public schools cellphones and computers also went in. Coincidence? yeah, and so are your other examples. Morality and/or Civic awareness can be taught without the need for religion. The fact that civic awareness and personal decency are not taught is what we should focus on. Bibles should only be introduced into theology classes. The idea that everyone should be taught a single religion is a path to Theological oppression.
Dear mightylex, cellphones and computers and technological advances, not moral issues. You cannot teach morality without religion. Without Bible, morality becomes subjective. Who decides what is good and bad for us except God. We need not teach Bible to everyone. But US is still 83percent Christian, and most Christians want Bible to be taught to their children. Thus, we can introduce Bible to only Christians.
Imagine what will happen to all the Jewish, Muslim, and Athiest kids once the Christian kids are shown preference. This is why religious academies exist. People who want there kids to live by the bible can choose to send there kids there. I have friends that went to Catholic schools and enjoyed it. Even though some of our founding fathers were themselves religious, they new knew the danger of state sponsored religion.
Dear mightylex, it is not showing preference to Christian kids. I grew up in India where Hindu literature is taught as part of literature. In Iran and several Islamic countries, Quran, Hadith, and Sunna are taught to kids even with a devotional tone. In Bhutan, Buddha's teachings are part of the curriculum. Thus, teaching Bible as part of the literature should not offend anyone. If it offends Hindus they should stop teaching Bhagavadgita in India.
this is a much better argument, it probably would be a great idea to teach from all these sacred texts as works of literature in public schools and let kids develop their own religious views (or not). The problem is that the U.S. screwed up w/ favoring only Christianity for so long, that the Establishment clause pretty much bars the door totally now, which is a shame.
We can and do teach morality all the time without reference to religious affiliation (criminal law, for ex.). Explaining to a child why some act is wrong does more for moral reasoning skills than merely saying that it is wrong because God commands it! Also, even with the bible, "morality becomes subjective," since as I am sure you're aware, there is not exactly total agreement on what morals the bible does endorse.
my feelings exactly. i wouldn't be opposed to a theology carriculum being taught in the public schools. but it would have to involve more than christian morality. Civic morality based on our constitution, Bill of rights, and laws would be great. (I would go so far as to require that politian hold degrees in tose subjects)
The morality presented in the bible isn't the morality of the vast majority of Christians today. Most Christians ignore large sections of the bible because of the hate and moral ambiguity it teaches. So, how is it that so many believers have better morals than the bible would allow them if taken literally? I would argue that our morals come from ourselves and that they always have.
I agree the Bible needs to be reinstalled into the schools and the American public, the Bible teaches us to be moral people, Great Video, thank you
DaveSquibbSr 1 year ago
funny how you say that when the bible left schools, in went guns. i think the people who want the bible in schools are probably the same people who want guns (at least somewhere, if not strapped to their 3rd grader's waist for "protection")
davydawgdawg 2 years ago
@davydawgdawg "We want the bible in schools! Without the bible, people are taking guns to school and kill people. Also, we want to be able to take guns to school in case we need to kill people. Yeeehaaaw!!"
fact3r 1 year ago
Second problem...
You are better off teaching your children about Jesus Christ, because they are your children and you are the greatest role model those children have. Why should the Bible be taught in public schools? Teachers aren't paid enough to deal with that extra load. Furthermore, children in religious classes act up as well. If they act up when they are being taught about the Bible at church, what is to stop me from assuming that it will not happen in the classroom?
mathgeek37 2 years ago
A couple of flaws...
In 1955, The Blackboard Jungle was released. This novel detailed problems that had already existed in the inner-city schools prior to the expulsion of school prayers in 1963. In fact, this novel was released right around the same time that "In God We Trust" became our national motto. This is a fallacious argument you are making.
mathgeek37 2 years ago
What don't theists understand about logical fallacy? How can something like, for instance, causation-correlation fallacy (bibles iz gone so kids act more baddur, hyuck) be used with such confidence?
Why do we try to reason? They can't handle the unpredictability of life, and more importantly, their mortality. It's hopeless.
We need to find other ways to rail against their oppressive nature. Beating a dead horse is useless; why do free minds insist on talking to the dead horse's ass?
OthelloCarmellow 2 years ago
Atheists make up 16% of the population, yet only .21% of prison population. Explain. Switzerland crime rate vs Americas? Do some research please.
-A patriotic US Marine.
helloblah12223 2 years ago
lower poverty, unemployment rates, possibly?
Ian4basse 2 years ago
The US unemployment rate is 2% higher than Switzerland while our crime rate is 5 times higher. While this could all be attributed to these other factors... it doesn't quite defeat my point about crime/religion. My point is that God != Good by definition.
helloblah12223 2 years ago
amongst dozens of logical and factual inconsistencies in your arguement, the divorce rates are highest in america amongst the born again christian population (27% of born-again Christians have had at least one divorce, as well as 24% in non-born again christians) and is lowest in the athiest population (21% of atheists have been divorced). How do you explain this?
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shalomalayikum 3 years ago
Geronami, you just made up those statistics or in any case, the stats don't prove your point if you disregard the fact that guns also become more prevalent in society since the 60s. And the Bible did not play a key role in the founding of USA. Most of the Founding Fathers were deists.
fact3r 3 years ago
@fact3r 34% of the US constitution comes from the bible, the declaration of independence is based off a book by john locke called the two treaties of government and the bible is quoted more than 1500 times in this book.
1s23d 1 year ago
@1s23d Not true: " about three-quarters of all the Bible citations that make up that 34% came from sermons. And this bumps the Bible down into the range of classical influences for all the documents that weren't sermons, and moves the enlightenment and whig influences into the number one and two spots for all the documents that weren't sermons." I'd link the source if YouTube didn't filter links.
fact3r 1 year ago
@fact3r Article 1 section 8 Uniform immigration laws: Leviticus 19:34
1s23d 1 year ago
@fact3r Atricle 2 section 1 president must be a natural born citizen: Deuteronomy 17:15
1s23d 1 year ago
@1s23d First of all, you're making an assumption here that Obama isn't a natural born citizen, which has been disproved in every reasonable way. Second, Leviticus 19:34 just said to treat aliens as native-born so looks like you just pointed out a contradiction.
fact3r 1 year ago
@fact3r The bible was taught in school all the way up to 1963 two supreme court rulings without any past precidence took prayer and the bible out of public schools at the time america was number one in the world in literacy now with the godless democrats running the public school system we are 28 in the world in literacy even some third world nations are ahead of us in literacy.
1s23d 1 year ago
@1s23d Fallacy: correlation doesn't imply causation. I'll also point out that literacy is LOWEST in the part of the country that are the most religious. So, don't blame the godless democrats: the "godless" parts have much higher literacy rankings.
fact3r 1 year ago
@fact3r The more democratic parts of the country also have the lowest fertitlity rates in the country compared to red state america. Higher tax rates and higher abortion rates keep population growth under control. The future is going to get even more red in america as time goes on, so red state america is a safe bet.
1s23d 1 year ago
@1s23d Actually, red state america is dying off, thus the intense hatred and backlash. Red state america produces the least capital for the nation and consumes the most federal funds. They are the most valueless part of America. Look up GDP production by state and look up federal fund recipients by state.
fact3r 1 year ago
@1s23d You are correct: higher education levels tend to have reduced number of offspring: that's true globally. So I guess your argument is "red states are better because we have more babies?" Do you realize that red state have the highest incidents of unwed teenage mothers?
fact3r 1 year ago
@1s23d And you didn't address what I just pointed out, that the majority of the "34%" is actually sermons and that regardless, it doesn't make it "Christian" because otherwise, the Bible itself wouldn't be Christian.
fact3r 1 year ago
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@1s23d @1s23d And you didn't address what I just pointed out, that the majority of the "34%" is actually sermons and that regardless, it doesn't make it "Christian" because otherwise, the Bible itself wouldn't be Christian.
fact3r 1 year ago
@1s23d You are also forgetting that the early settlers were FLEEING from Christian governments: why would they want to recreate the same intolerance here?
fact3r 1 year ago
@fact3r I was lied to in school and it appears that you were too, In order to get some unfiltered american history get david bartons american heritage dvd series. Article 3 section 3 witnesses and capital punishment: Deuteronomy 17:6
1s23d 1 year ago
@1s23d No, I wasn't lied to, I actually read the papers written by the prominent framers of the constitution. You are the one being lied to by evangelical David Barton and his revisionist history. I also see that you are drawing similarities between Bible quotes and America law as if that some how concludes those ideas were original in the biblical text. That's a logical fallacy.
fact3r 1 year ago
@fact3r Its is nothing to be ashamed of, people who are teaching history have a political agenda because history affects public policy today. I am just trying to get some truth out there. The least religious founders were ben franklin and thomas jefferson, jefferson actually allocated federal funds to christianize the native americans, ben franklin actually allocated federal funds for bibles in the classrooms. These actions today would seem down right evangelical
1s23d 1 year ago
@1s23d Like I said: I've read the papers and you are misrepresenting the truth, and for that you should absolutely be ashamed. Yes, maybe more people were religious in the past, but the world is changing. People are abandoning myths. Study after study equate religiosity to lower IQ, higher incidents of child abuse, sex abuse, etc. You have a mythical view that things were better in a fantasy idea of American history that doesn't exist.
fact3r 1 year ago
@fact3r Back to the constitution, article 3 section 3 provision against attainder: ezekiel 18:20.Isaiah 33:22 three branches of government. Ezra 7:24 tax exemption for churches.
1s23d 1 year ago
@1s23d Fallacy: this doesn't prove that this part of the constitution was based on that part of the Bible. Also, you didn't answer my earlier question about the inconsistency in your quotes that you yourself referenced (about natural versus alien citizens being treated equal)
fact3r 1 year ago
@fact3r Republicanism- article IV section 4 (elections at local county,state and federal levels) exodus 18:21. Noah webster responsible for article I, section 8 paragraph 8 cited exodus18:21
1s23d 1 year ago
@fact3r The settlers did not want an anti christian country, they wanted a country without a national religion, but they did want religion in the public realm. America is the longest constitutional republic in the world we have been on the same piece of paper since 1776 because our founding documents are biblically inspired.
1s23d 1 year ago
@1s23d This nation DOES have religion open in the public realm. You're the one that wants it open in the government, which is different. No one is putting forward bans on Christianity, just keeping it out of the government, which is quite different.
fact3r 1 year ago
@fact3r Actually do you know that in congress before any legislation was passed they had religious leaders look it over in congress to see if it was biblical or not. Where is separation of church and state in the constitution i have a copy and i can't seem to find that part?
1s23d 1 year ago
@1s23d When was this? Can you site a reference? Because they certainly don't do that now, otherwise slavery would never have been abolished. Also, where in the constitution does it say this is a Christian nation?
fact3r 1 year ago
@1s23d Also, you're once again making a fallacy that the "same piece of paper" is working because it was biblically inspired. The bible is mostly pagan, so what you meant is Pagan inspired, and even then, other governments, including FAILED MONARCHIES also made the same claim.
fact3r 1 year ago
@fact3r Look at post chrisitan europe how in a few decades it will be an islamic state because muslims are the only ones bothering to have kids.The world is changing?
1s23d 1 year ago
@1s23d The world is changing, that's WHY it is important to keep govt separate from churches. Do you want Europe to be islamic or do you want them to keep their government separate from the muslims? Do you want America to become muslim if they outnumber Christians or do you want to reinforce the precedent that has existed (with obvious violations as well) of keeping church and state separate. You realize that if you want church in schools, it will ultimately be Catholic b/c of their numbers?
fact3r 1 year ago
@fact3r Russia has had 4 constitutions, brazil has had 4, poland 5, afganistan 6, france 15, and so on. 90 founders framed the bill of rights, 55 did the US constitution, 56 framed the declaration of independence. 95% of these men were christians.
1s23d 1 year ago
@1s23d The religious preference of the men doesn't mean anything. Why didn't the 95% of the men explicitly state that the government is Christian in all of those documents (or indeed any?) If that's what they wanted, they would have explicitly said it. But they didn't. And if you read their other works, they were quite explicit about separation of church and state. You're still trying to use correlation as an argument and it isn't.
fact3r 1 year ago
@1s23d I'd also point out that states with high religiosity, like Texas, have constitution with with tons of amendments (Texas has over 100).
fact3r 1 year ago
@fact3r Also, by your logic, the Bible is pagan since a vast amount of the Bible stories came from pagan sources.
fact3r 1 year ago
usa is going down because they turned away from the Most High, her destruction is coming and the power she had is going to be shifted to another nation mabie russia, china who knows
JESUSISLORDAMEN 3 years ago
But Russia and China aren't worshipping your "Most High." So how can they outdo America based on your logic?
fact3r 3 years ago
Excellent message. Thank you for sharing this.
5*****
joeXcel 3 years ago
wow 42 comments and only 289 views :o
stingy1sam 3 years ago
If we allowed bibles in American public schools, we aren't doing what the founding fathers intended. They wanted separation of church and state. They wanted freedom. Forcing schools to teach from the Bible will actually reduce freedom in America because that action will imply that America has only one religion. Is America a theocracy? I would like someone to answer that question!
TheFreethinker007 3 years ago
I actually agree with you here
and I'm a theist. I believe in Jesus.
But I still don't like how schools
are these days because they
most of them are trying to force
their political views on children.
mrsticky005 3 years ago
the moron calls himself himself the "21st century Mahatma"
jvsing88 3 years ago
That bible say real the god name Barack Obama him son name jesus.
sabbass 4 years ago
Thanks for speaking the Truth!!!
heidielizabethheglar 4 years ago
My Lord and savior Jesus Christ, What has America done. Thank you for specking the truth. You will be blessed! Thanks for the seeds. Wake up America!!!
heidielizabethheglar 4 years ago
The Bible is the most historically accurate book ever written. Even if one does not believe in Jesus or any God for that matter, the simple fact that the Bible has withstood the test of time remains. All the Bible hating people of the world have tried to rip it apart, but they can't. FYI the Bible is scientifically accurate. I challenge you to prove me wrong (with facts and not just politically correct ideas).
icecoldconservative 4 years ago
im sorry you cant write the 'bible is the most historically accurate book ever written' and expect to be taken seriously, none ever claimed that everything in it is complete fantasy, none claimed it isn't a first person account of what was going on at that time, of course that doesn't prove that the people writing it were correct to believe stories they'd heard involving miracles etc.
aqaspecification 4 years ago
of course i cant scientifically prove it wrong because if i say to you well, its scientifically proven that you cant walk on water you'll just say yeah well that doesnt apply to jesus does it now, so what am i supposed to say
aqaspecification 4 years ago
people arent believing directly in jesus, what they are believing in is the factual accuracy of the 4standard gospels, that is the substance, nothing else, you never met jesus never read anything by him, no, all there is is those 4 books, now im not convinced that thats what people mean when they say they are a Christian or hold Chrisian values, those gospels certainly dont mention abortion, gay marriage etc you dont believe in jesus you believe in things that have come to be associated with him
aqaspecification 4 years ago
@icecoldconservative Okay, I'll take your challenge. Please point of the scientifically accurate description of quantum physics in the Bible.
fact3r 1 year ago
Since the Bible went out of the schools, the homerun records in baseball have been broken. More iPods have been sold than ever before. Cures for many diseases have been discovered. Correlation? Sure, why not? Makes just as much sense as your premise. Actually, ANY scientific advances during that time probably are a direct result of getting GOD out of school. More reason and rationality was able to flourish.
chazcov08 4 years ago
Actually, rates of violent crimes and property crimes have been going down since the mid 90's, in 2005 the violent crime rate was at its lowest EVER in the United States, its simply fear mongering like this that gives people the perception that things are worse than they were, its media sensationalism.
mavadotar 4 years ago
Excellent.
wolf178 4 years ago
why not teach Gita, Quran, Torah & Zend Avesta in public schools? Bible supports all immoral things of today and so do other holy books. Why have religion taught in schools? Just because one thing happened in the absence of other doesn't mean that the absence of 2nd thing caused the 1st thing... How stupid a person can get.... you pin head.
amit111978 4 years ago
With the many religion and demoniton in america, I think that learning about the bible should not be required in schools. Bible classes could be elective but not required by the federal government
jc00213 4 years ago
This has to be the most idiotic video ever. The bible had nothing to do with the prevention of the problems you listed. The bib;e classes were stopped because people saw reason. They stoped listening to christian pressure and realised that america is a secular nation and so its schools should be too. School is not a place for indoctrination. The US should follow the UK model and give NEUTRAL lessons on ALL major religions.
Nerdfest1989 4 years ago
when abe was a boy the only book he had in his house was a bible which he read alot, I believe the bible is what impacted his life and is what made him into a great president.
josueanthonylpz 4 years ago
Thanks God Bible teaching has stopped, it teaches incest, female submission to males, pornography, racism. THe idea that one are th choosen people while the rest are all dogs and swines is in itself racist.
cfrb 5 years ago
i'm not sure what bible you've read, but it seems more severe than any I've poked through. Of course it was written in ancient times when the world was even more brutal than today. Then it's been reinterpreted a few times with some edits. All in all, I think the lessons are meant to teach good things, like most holy text. The danger is in what we humans do when we are aloud proclaim the teachings of divinity. We seem to go a bit nutty.
themightylex 5 years ago
INCEST
1 samuel 6.19 /deutonomy chapter 25 verse 11,12 /Gen 19:33--36/ Gen 20:12/ Gen 11:29/ Gen 28:8--9/ Gen 36:2--3/ Genesis 29/ Genesis 36/ Exod 6:20/ Num 36: 5—12/ 2 Samuel 13
Murder, rape, and pillage
Judges 21:10-24 NLT /Numbers 31:7-18 NLT /Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT /2 Samuel 12:11-14 NAB /Exodus 21:7-11 NLT /Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB
And not one word of reproach or condemnation!!
cfrb 5 years ago
bullshit , stop lying you cunt. and those books are not christain books because they change things in those bibles nlt and nab.
josueanthonylpz 4 years ago
Bible does not support anything you mentioned. It is still the best selling book for the last hundred years. Chosen people doesnot mean that rest are dogs. Jews were used by God to reach the entire world. Jesus' message was carried by Paul and apostles to the rest of the world
GERONAMI 5 years ago
then you havent read the bible properly, I will write to you and show you all the verses where the bible teaches incest rape, and massacre.
cfrb 5 years ago
cfrb you are stupid, a muslim trying to tell a christian how to be a christain?. I think you need to stay off this channel , maybe a muslim channel go spread your lies somewhere else.
josueanthonylpz 4 years ago
The Problem is paul taught his own teaching to the rest of the world, jesus never said trinity or crucifixation, but its paul. Jesus himself said he is sent by God to the Jews only, but paul is saying the opposite
cfrb 5 years ago
And "Quotations from Chairman Mao Zedong" is the second best selling book.
jussts 4 years ago
very true brother, same problem we have in England, they take prayer out of the classrooms, take Bible and christian literature out, in our hospitals and prisons they take the Bible out also in case it offends other faiths, These are the signs and we must stand up against the masses Just like Our Lord Jesus stood up against the masses. God bless
JESUSISLORDAMEN 5 years ago
You are right, my friend, Europe has rejected the Bible and today their birthrates are so low that Europe as we knew it might soon cease to exist within a generation. That is happening even in America. Liberals are spoiling this country with all kinds of filth. But thank God, there is increased hunger for the Bible in many countries around the world.
GERONAMI 5 years ago
My friend who works in the Middle East told me that people there are secretly buying and reading the Bible. America is so blessed by God, now they are rich and wealthy, they are kicking God out of this country. In China Christianity is growing like a wild fire.
GERONAMI 5 years ago
Who cares,what has god done for anyone?Religion is the leading cause of war in the history of the entire of world.Maybe all the things such as teen pregnancies,rapes,shooting and such have happened because we as American let the youth watch shit like bet that glorifies killing and rape and hatred towards women and we sit back and do nothing about it
bombdrop91 4 years ago
What is right and wrong goes beyond religion. It goes beyond any god. Drawing on religion, philosophy and experience our country has created laws. Those laws can be used to instill civil morality. We do not steal, we do not kill, we work to better the human condition. These things can be taught without the introduction of a god. As a non-christian I am extremely aware of the majority of the citizens claiming to be. I live in fear of someone elses faith being installed in my system of government.
themightylex 5 years ago
Irony is many people who immigrate to America for the ideals this nation stands for are fearful of the very culture from which these values and ideals sprouted.
GERONAMI 5 years ago
After they took the bible out of public schools cellphones and computers also went in. Coincidence? yeah, and so are your other examples. Morality and/or Civic awareness can be taught without the need for religion. The fact that civic awareness and personal decency are not taught is what we should focus on. Bibles should only be introduced into theology classes. The idea that everyone should be taught a single religion is a path to Theological oppression.
themightylex 5 years ago
Dear mightylex, cellphones and computers and technological advances, not moral issues. You cannot teach morality without religion. Without Bible, morality becomes subjective. Who decides what is good and bad for us except God. We need not teach Bible to everyone. But US is still 83percent Christian, and most Christians want Bible to be taught to their children. Thus, we can introduce Bible to only Christians.
GERONAMI 5 years ago
Imagine what will happen to all the Jewish, Muslim, and Athiest kids once the Christian kids are shown preference. This is why religious academies exist. People who want there kids to live by the bible can choose to send there kids there. I have friends that went to Catholic schools and enjoyed it. Even though some of our founding fathers were themselves religious, they new knew the danger of state sponsored religion.
themightylex 5 years ago
Dear mightylex, it is not showing preference to Christian kids. I grew up in India where Hindu literature is taught as part of literature. In Iran and several Islamic countries, Quran, Hadith, and Sunna are taught to kids even with a devotional tone. In Bhutan, Buddha's teachings are part of the curriculum. Thus, teaching Bible as part of the literature should not offend anyone. If it offends Hindus they should stop teaching Bhagavadgita in India.
GERONAMI 5 years ago
this is a much better argument, it probably would be a great idea to teach from all these sacred texts as works of literature in public schools and let kids develop their own religious views (or not). The problem is that the U.S. screwed up w/ favoring only Christianity for so long, that the Establishment clause pretty much bars the door totally now, which is a shame.
burryp 5 years ago
We can and do teach morality all the time without reference to religious affiliation (criminal law, for ex.). Explaining to a child why some act is wrong does more for moral reasoning skills than merely saying that it is wrong because God commands it! Also, even with the bible, "morality becomes subjective," since as I am sure you're aware, there is not exactly total agreement on what morals the bible does endorse.
burryp 5 years ago
my feelings exactly. i wouldn't be opposed to a theology carriculum being taught in the public schools. but it would have to involve more than christian morality. Civic morality based on our constitution, Bill of rights, and laws would be great. (I would go so far as to require that politian hold degrees in tose subjects)
themightylex 5 years ago
83 percent? where did you get that figure? maybe half of them are truely "born-again" the rest are false converts. America needs to repent.
CodeBlue7 4 years ago
The morality presented in the bible isn't the morality of the vast majority of Christians today. Most Christians ignore large sections of the bible because of the hate and moral ambiguity it teaches. So, how is it that so many believers have better morals than the bible would allow them if taken literally? I would argue that our morals come from ourselves and that they always have.
jussts 4 years ago
rAmen
macman13 4 years ago