I really don't understand why you'd boycott the blurays. Maybe i wasn't as attached to the originals as you were but for the most part all of the changes i've seen haven't been that bad. When he included Hayden Christensen at the end it was a symbolic change showing that vader had gone back to a time where he was no longer dark side. The music change, come on, the yub yub song was shit, John Williams new version is a thousand times better, and i feel the same way about the emperor.
Sorry, but i'm all for the change they made in this scene. When I saw this as a kid, I just saw this as another scene. Then they redid it with Ian McDiarmid and my reaction changed from "just another scene" to "I think I just crapped my pants" lol. Besides, having played the Emperor in Ep. 6, I think it makes more sense to have re-edited this. Odd to have 2 different styled Emperor's.
& I see no need to boycott the Blue-Rays. It's not hurting you. Let the new generation have their abomination :P
What's the story of the emperor's face in this scene being the face of dead chimpanzee or something like that? I read that they superimposed the chimpanzee's face on the body or something. Anyone care to shed some light into this?
Always wondered how they could've gone through with this guy as the emperor in the first place. Those eyes look like a bug's and overall, this version of him is just boring.
as an artist, i can understand the re-editing lucas does. u try to make something look a certian way, but u cant so u do what u can. then time passes and u find new techniques and technology that can change it back to the way u originally saw it. although, i can understand it for the people who grew up seeing the original before any changes. the original versions should be preserved and on the new releases. the same arguement can be heard in anime and redubbing, mainly against 4kids.
Vader: What is thy biiding my Master Weird guy: There is a great disturbance in the force Vader: Wait... your not the Emperor Weird guy: Yes I am Vader: no your not the emperor looks like a melted candle not a frog. How did you get this number Weird guy: its in my speed dials I wouldnt leave out my apprentice Vader: Your not the Emperor!!! Weird guy: yes I am fear me!!! Vader: No no! Weird guy: Can I borrow some money Vader: go away
this idea would be great if darth vader wasnt luke father because this is a bad guy that will attack you face to face but since darth is lukes father the emperor needed to be a more sinister guy like the devil who will hide never show his face and seduce people to his cause.
I sense much anger on you. There's to much hate that clouds your judgement. To bad you have to choose the path of anger and aggresivnes towards other people. It's a pitty.
I'm still confused over this, is the "definitive" laserdisc anamorphic or not? Also is the previous "widescreen" laserdisc anamorphic? Does any anamorphic edition of the original trilogy (non-special) exist??
@RetroRepair None of the laserdiscs were anamorphic. Anamorphic LDs really didn't exist (with the exception of the few Japanese titles that were essentially novelties). No official anamorphic version of the non-SE Original Trilogy exists. There are some excellent anamorphic fan preservations, though, which you should definitely seek out.
@mielr Thanks for clearing that up for me! BTW, do you know if the "widescreen" laserdiscs prior to the "definitive" boxset used a different master print?
@RetroRepair The "definitive" boxed set was a new transfer then, so the previous widescreen LDs used a different master. The same transfer that was made for the "definitive" set was also used for the "faces" LDs and VHS (and then used for the non-anamorphic DVDs).
I don't mind the change in actor, but the change in dialogue is unforgivable. Instead of learning that Vader was Luke's father in the fight, he simply overhears it in this scene. Well done George....
You know, if all they did was update the ghost version of Anakin and Hologram of the emporer to be more in line with the prequels, I wouldn't mind the changes made. But they also change the Lapti Nek sequence in RotJ and the exchange between Han and Greedo, as well as recolouring the whole damn movies and editing a bunch of other shit in, unnecessarily. So, yeah. FUCK the "remastered" versions! There's no need to repaint the Sistine Chapel and there's no reason to "remaster" Star Wars.
The difference in quality between a DVD and Blu-ray is very substantial. DVD cannot display resolutions past 480p, and Blu-ray does 1080p. Even on an HD TV, DVD doesn't look fantastic. Compare a blu-ray to a DVD and you'll instantly notice the difference. Blu-ray blows DVD out of the water, which is why a DVD movie is usually 4-6gb while a Blu-ray is 25-50gb. People who think that Blu-ray is just a scam are completely uninformed
The so called original scene is awful and ridiculous, I am glad Lucas did the reasonable thing and put Mr Ian to redo it. Now it actually looks like frigging Emperor Palpatine, not an old woman with a badly acted voice badly dubbed over her.
I'm sorry, but I don't know why people hate this change is star wars. This change is a good one. The emperor would fit so badly with the other films if they kept this version in.
Anyway, I don't understand why people are so upset about the reedited versions of Star Wars. Let go of it already! Jesus! It's bad enough Lucas couldn't let go of it and had to tweak them, must everyone else be obsessed with it too? And honestly, Lucas created the damn movies, not you, he didn't have the resources to do everything he wanted in like 1977, so let the man do what he wants. Is it that tormenting that they replaced the old lady in this scene? Is it, really? I bet she's not pissed.
@grublet13 Plus the fact that the replaced her with THE GUY THAT PLAYED HIM IN RETURN OF THE JEDI!!! I agree with you, although I still love all the movies.
@grublet13 Well, if people wanted to keep the original, then convert it to VHS, they could do it. I like the way that they made this scene originally, it was nice back when they edited analog film frame by frame, but still, if someone really wanted it, they could take a VHS to digital converter, and form a digital video file, it's doable.
The special edition DVD release , with Ian McDiarmid, is one of the few changes I liked. Amazingly, the inclusion of him didn't have them spoiling the movie's ending... which is amazing, given how crass some of the other changes made to the trilogy have been...
Ideally, having McDiarmid just redo the lines from the original would be best.
@muclesmarinara Why do you think blu-ray is a scam? I don't dislike blu-rays in general- I own several and the PQ is great. I would love to have the Original-Original Trilogy on blu-ray someday......but that will be the ONLY version of the trilogy I will EVER buy on blu-ray!
@mielr I don't think there is anything wrong with a dvd on an HD flatscreen TV. To me,that is perfect picture quality and it was a necessary upgrade from VHS tapes which get fuzzy over time. Blu ray is a way for the companies to re sell the same movies. For example,The Godfather box set. I had the VHS set when it was new and then I got the expensive DVD set when it was new and now they sell the same thing in Blu ray as if the DVD picture quality is shit. My DVDs are all crystal clear.
@muclesmarinara Well, yes, I agree that it's a way for the studios to sell the same movies over again, and to most people, the jump in picture quality will be negligible - not at all like the huge jump from VHS to DVD.
I have only purchased one Blu-Ray that I already owned on DVD: Rocky Horror. All my other Blu-Ray discs are films that I did not previously own on DVD.
@mielr That's good. The only way I'm gonna get into blu ray is if someone gives it to me as a gift. But Rocky Horror is a classic movie anyway and you gotta have it.
@muclesmarinara No one is forcing you to buy the blu-ray version if you're happy with the inferior dvd copy. And it IS inferior, in both picture and audio.
@Tagemandbagem I know no one is forcing me and I dont think that anyone else should be tricked into buying the same movie. The DVDs are inferior? By how much? 1%?
Not much difference. You are the kind of person that will buy what they trick you into buying. That's your problem.
@muclesmarinara No, they are not inferior by just 1%. They ARE, however, inferior. That is something even ignorant subjectivity cannot argue with successfully. Not all Bluray transfers are carried out properly, that is why smart people read reviews before purchase. If you are truly a fan of a film, and it is released in FAR better quality audio, and picture than before, then that is the version you will want. There is no scam about it. You are paying for that quality.
@Tagemandbagem I have seen blu ray and dvd side by side and I cant tell the difference. I was a salesman and I can usually tell when a business is getting ready to fuck someone in the ass. The blu ray thing is a huge scam. It's a cool sounding name in pretty packaging and it costs more money then regular dvds. It's bullshit. But people will keep believing the hype and make some piece of shit business man rich.
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i have the originals and i think Clive did a great voice over and as for the wife of one of the guys who work with George on the movies her performance with the mask and make up and everything is just fine they did the best they could for the time sure it's a shame they couldn't get Ian in 1980 and didn't get him until 83 but it's not that big of a deal it's just fine the way it is
i have the originals and i think Clive did a great voice over and as for the wife of one of the guys who work with George on the movies her performance with the mask and make up and everything is just fine they did the best they could for the time sure it's a shame they couldn't get Ian in 1980 and didn't get until 83 but it's not that big of a deal it's just fine the way it is
I saw this movie at the theater at least 8 times when it 1st came out in 1980. I was 19 yrs old. I was always high. And this will always be one of my favorite scenes, and I cannot stand the fact that it was changed for the newer version to show Pulp-Brain-Teen. I understand why it was changed, and I no longer get high. But I will ALWAYS look upon this version and THIS scene featuring THIS emperor with the respect that it deserves. I'm too old and set in my ways to care about the new crap.
The problem is that impressionable people will automatically say that their FIRST impression is always BEST, and so thy scoff at any attempts to improve it.
Greedo shooting first is NOT an improvement, however, because obviously Greedo couldn't miss from 3 feet away, and Han Solo would be an idiot to wait for that to happen. So what if Han shot first? Greedo SAID he was going to kill Han, and that should have been good enough reason for Han to shoot first.
Everytime I watch this clip I think of being at 6 year old in the basement glued to the TV set...innocence..and when I see the new one I think about how much George is trying to kill that
Well one thing that bothers me here is that emperor doesn't sound like the emperor at all. He doesn't sound like a bad guy and his voice is a lot more normal.
I really hate that they added a bunch of shit, especially since everything they added in the Mos Eisley Spaceport scene in the first one looks like complete shit.
Meh this version is ok, but not nearly as good as Ian's performance. That and with Ian playing the Emperor in The Empire Strikes Back is not only better, creepier and more menacing but consistent since Ian plays the Emperor in Return of the Jedi.
This version was terrible. Merge Palpatine's face with a monkey and call it special effects? Yeah, that's what they did in 1980. Praise God that Lucas fixed it and now with 1080p HD blu-ray graphics!
This is so weird. I was raised on the edited, new versions of Star Wars, and seeing the original like this is almost like looking into a parallel universe. It's surreal.
wait, I grew up watching the 1995 VHS release that you were talking about, and that is definitely not the face that was used! Admittedly, it has been a few years since I last watched it, but that ugly thing is not something I would forget...
@tierz2 If you have the '95 release, then it is this version you have. The emperor was not changed until the 1st DVD release in 2004 (not even the '97 Special Edition theatrical release was changed!)
@TobeyStarburst i apologise that i didn't say "in my opinion". i usually hate people that don't do that.
i personally just thought it sounded so bad, the accent was stupid and the diction was terrible and there was absolutely no acting in the deliverance of lines. i know boba didn't have a wealth of lines to say but still. the guy who played Jango and the clones in the prequels did a far better job. and it makes more sense to have him as the voice anyways.
You do know it was made before Jedi? He sounds fine, especially if Jedi didn't come out yet. And Boba's old voice was better. Taking off his mask, they made him really boring. Before the prequels came out, there was all this talk about Fett being Jet Li and/or some psycho covered in scars and/or some bad ass alien- then we get some boring guy.
The original Emperor is actually Sir Alec Guinness. He had a medical issue with his eyes and was sensitive to light during the filming. He wore sunglasses because of this and the area around the glasses was hidden with makeup. The actual eyes were animated in post-production, and give them a spooky floating effect.
idk, i like the version with Ian MacDiarmuid. For one, he doesnt look anything like the emperor from the original episode VI, so they kinda HAD to...second, Ian IS the emperor, his voice sounds ten times as intimidating. My opinion.
Hate to tell the author this, but your efforts to boycott the blu-rays are futile. The remake with Palpatine as the emperor is the way this film should have been done. Ultimately, this is George Lucas' definitive vision so whatever any fan has to say about it is useless.
@dciguy01 ultimately, george lucas's definitive vision is crap. he fell victim to the typical artist's syndrome of revision upon revision, he couldn't stop himself until everything was blown WAY out of proportion. in his eyes, the series is now complete and perfect, but what he doesn't realize is that sometimes the imperfections are what creates the realism and ultimately captures the audience.
@vgrzen34 It will NEVER be complete in his eyes. He clearly suffers from O.C.D. Now they will be in 3D. Is THAT his definitive vision? The 3D versions will have even MORE changes made. Lucas is a hack. He got LUCKY. To quote a great man; "Star Wars is great DESPITE George Lucas,not because of him."
@Chrisdrumz yeah, you're absolutely right. in my opinion, the sequels could have been great if they had restricted lucas somehow to just WRITING them. if irvin kershner had worked on them, along with the rest of the crew from the empire strikes back (seeing as how that was the best star wars movie ever) they probably would have been worth watching
Enough with this kind of campaigns. If you are really upset with changes being made to the movies don't make a campaign about boycotts, make a campaign about releasing alternative versions of the movies. One version with all the changes, and another with the movies as they were when they were on theaters. That way you get the movie the way you like it, unchanged, and those of us who want in the improvements get what we want as well.
@extremechampion00 You are very naive, and obviously unaware of the battle that has been going on for the past decade to do just that. I wish things were as simple as you obviously think they are.
@mielr Call it naivity, idealism, I don't know. I just don't see why the only way to get Lucasfilm's attention on this matter has to be a battle. If history has taught us anything is that peaceful movements are just as effective and less painful than battles. You're right about one thing though, I was unaware that this tension for the changes made in the movies and the OT - PT conflict were going on, and I wish I had stayed that way.
@extremechampion00 "peaceful movements"? So, what part of boycotting isn't peaceful? I don't recall hearing about any acts of violence by pro-Original Trilogy individuals. When you boycott something, you are making it known you are displeased with something by NOT spending your money on it. A boycott is about as peaceful as it gets, as are petitions - both of which have been done. There's a new petition up at the Original Trilogy site, BTW, if you're interested in signing it.
@mielr I didn't mean it in that context, actually I didn't convey my idea with the proper words, but I've grown tired of this conversation so I'll just let it die here.
As long as George Lucas is alive, and in control of Lucasfilm LTD, the original unaltered trilogy will never be released, completely restored and remastered in HD quality. The day he does there will be plans to release these films as they were back in 1977, 1980, and 1983. Until then enjoy the DVD's with the less than Laserdisc quality.
I hated all the changes Lucas made to the original trilogy but replacing the guy/old woman with Ian whom played Palpatine in ROTJ and episodes I, II, and III was the only change I didn' mind this version of palpatine Looks wierd.
@JaydeeOldBoy half the time filmmakers rarely disrespect each others work out of respect for one another their tru opinions r different. however carrie fisher stated her tru opinon on the new films cause shes not scared to voice her tru opinions like all the people u jus listed r. and lucas is only doin this for money not to prove cgi is better. fuckin retard. ur film taste is a bad joke. if they made a film about a gay cgi donkey undergoin therapy in a cgi world ud probrbly love it.
@JaydeeOldBoy OBVIOUSLY lucas will concur in interviews for profit and to not look bad so the press dont attack him. SPIELberg is a close friend of lucas hell agree cause hes the director of the indiana jones series so if they had a fallen out it wud look bad. u hav no brain whtsoever. u hav no idea wht ur on about, no idea how the bullshit u speak is makin u look more retarded, no idea wht TV show business or good business means.
Okay, so I was watching the 2004 version of Empire Strikes Back and when I got to the scene with the emperor, I stopped halfway and thought about the original. So I went on here and found this clip.
After comparing this version with the new version, I have to say, this Emperor is actually really eerie. His voice is cleaner and sound less old and yet the less dialogue he says, he sounds really awesome, reminds me of a narrator for Conan the Barbarian. Ian McDiramid is good but I prefer this guy.
@JaydeeOldBoy mind u i hav friends who started with phantom menace but still agree with my opinion so i suppose it jus takes a brain and proper taste. the fans of the original versions r not purists we jus cant stand the feelin of warped retards who hav never experienced the beauty of the originals slander them as if they kno wht their talkin about or even worse people who hav but lick lucas feet jus because hes the creator. when really he butchered his own work. fuckin idiot.
@JaydeeOldBoy continuity? obi wan knew nothin of leia in empire yoda told him off screen inbetween empire and rotj so tell me this. how did obi wan magically forget leia if he apparently helped deliver her and luke in rots. suck on ur prequels and suck on ur edited shit. only those who hav seen the masterpieces from the tru start of episode 4 kno wht they r talkin about. if u get sucked in startin with the prequels then watch the edited ones u hav a warped view of a classic story.
@JaydeeOldBoy u fanboys simply fail to understand tht cgi doesnt make a good film if tht were the case all films wud be cgi battles with no story whtsoever. story makes a good film. and in general there is even better cgi than the new star wars cough pirates of the caribbean.
@JaydeeOldBoy ill never understand y u new fanboys r tht stupid. the yoda puppet in the originals i believe won an award for realism whereas the cgi yoda was laughed at because it looks too fake. the phantom menace yoda puppet was also too blatantly fake.
@sk8tr192 the problem with the new dialgoue is tht it hints at vaders origins be4 the plot twist which is retarded because who wants hints for the greatest plot twist of all time. plus palpatine never says jedi names once he has them on the dark side only sith names because he is proud of the dark side and absolutely despises the jedi so the new edit is out of character for palpatine. the originals and even the new fanboys precious prequels back tht up. period
@sk8tr192 the fact tht in the edited 2004 dvd version they mention anakins name is retarded. palpatine always refers to all his apprentices by their sith names because their real names r from when they were jedi. even the prequels back this up. lord maul, lord tyranus (only calls him count dooku when posin as the chancellor) and lord vader (obviously called him anakin be4 he corrupted him).
@sk8tr192 thts because this is before return of the jedi u fuckin idiot. the episode V crew werent psychic to make this emperor sound like an actor WHO WASNT EVEN CAST YET jus to satisfy the bitchin trollers in the 21st centuary. i for one like both emperors. this scene is great it shows the dark mystery of the emperor but we still dont kno much. then in rotj we saw this evil arrogant power hungry smart psychopath in his prime rather than fat and obvious make up cough 3 & 5 (2004 dvd edit)
Did you guys know that the Original Emperor is not Clive, he did the voice for him and the man was given Chimpanzee eyes which were the ideas of the sound mans wife X) I say let George let his vision be the way he saw it, not Irvin's permitted techniques which gave us the platform we all love. Remember that every movie, well at least the good ones, are a form of Art. Focus on the Tragedy of Anakin and his Redemption! And as alot of us newbies say, you can stay in the 80s, no ones stopping you.
@HaydenCPASofa Yeah. Great story telling elements in the new movies! You could understand perfectly what was happening, all fell in place, and you could feel the tragedy of Anakin Skywalker. NOT!
Lucas has changed from "Storytelling first, effects later", to "better effects, better story". If he wanted to remaster the thing, no problem. But leave them bloody alone! Oh. And Han? Yeah, Han shot first.
Judging from your idiocies id say I have at least far superior taste.
Using your logic Steven Speilburgh and George Lucas must have no taste or knowledge of film history either... two of greatest and most iconic film makers currently alive. Not to menstion the countless other film makers who praise the fixed, enhanced and sensical re-realases.
Indeed i do greatly enjoy the prequils, they are three of my most favorite movies.
@JaydeeOldBoy I happen to be on mielr side on this issue. If you like the prequels and changes to the original trilogy, thats fine. Us original trilogy fans want the theatrical versions given the equal treatment as the special editions. Don't tell people that they're idiots if they don't like a certain movie or a alternate version of a movie.
@mielr if there was a smudge on the original you would want it on the blue ray, thats how bad it is. I'm not saying i like every change they made but some of it was needed like this scene for instance. He sounds nothing like the emperor in Return of the Jedi
@sk8tr192 That's a big leap, saying that because I want the original versions of the films preserved, that I would want a "smudge" preserved. A "smudge" is not an intended part of a film. Regardless of how you feel about the different actors playing the emperor in ESB and ROTJ, the dialogue in ESB is SUPERIOR, and that alone is a reason it should be preserved.
@mielr ok that was a little much, but believe it or not someone told me that they would've kept something like a smudge in it forever, but oh well. But I'm curious , why is the the ESB dialogue Superior to you? And BTW I do understand a little, I grew up watching the '95 VHS set so I'm not completely happy with it all.
@mielr Funny, I don't seem to recall the original Star Wars film opening to rave reviews at all. In fact, Lucas has a shirt of one of those reviews, which ends in, "In other words, a bad movie."
You purists flip the hell out over everything done to your precious originals - well, guess what! You don't have to watch the others. If you don't want to buy it, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUY IT. I know, crazy, right?
@GerardWayJr The original trilogy is a work of art. They made movie history, as they were. They should be preserved as is, rather than tampered with constantly. The constant meddling with them does not improve them, and trying to link them to the execrable prequels does a huge injustice to them. Lucas just can't accept that these originals outgrew him and that he can never make a movie that good again.
@GerardWayJr So, if we're "purists" guess that makes you a "fanboy". Why don't YOU get a job, or are you having too much fun trolling youtube videos telling others what to do? Have you ever fought for ANYTHING in your life or do you just bend over and take what's given to you? Sad.
@GerardWayJr The original Star Wars won six oscars, most of the changes are cool, but Vader yelling "noo" before he kills the emperor is enough to boycott the blu rays
Well both aren't very good but the Phantom Menace puppet is the one i was refering too, its horriffic and even worse than the 80s puppet 19 long years on.
Well dont just give half a comment, if there are good reasons then do tell. Enlighten me, geroge lucas, steven speilberg, martin scorsese and the endless other iconic filmmakers who (in interviews at least) concur with me. Do share your superior knowledge.
@JaydeeOldBoy The biggest flaw with CG is that no matter how detailed it looks you know it's fake. It's like watching live action characters interact with a video game character. The puppets were actually there interacting with the actors. Small mistakes in SFX never kept me from enjoying the original trilogy.
The prequels screwed up the continuity. If Lucas would've thought it out better there wouldn't be any stupid continuity issues like Obi-wan apparently forgetting who Leia was.
@JaydeeOldBoy its because some people watched the originals as kids and thats what they grew up with. also many do not like the unnecessary changes like the extented cgi in moseisley. Also the cgi sticks out really bad considering these are old movies
Let me say up-front that I am not in favour of everything Lucas has done with the rereleases.
However, I am in favour of changing this. The other guy has some subtleties in his acting that are not present here. Also, it adds consistency with the other four appearances of the character and the added dialogue better conveys that Vader is playing dumb so he can betray the Emperor and train Luke himself.
Emperor Palpatine was played by a woman with special effect Chimpanzee eyes and was voiced by a man. This is the better version, not the new crap nowadays. D:<
I really don't understand why you'd boycott the blurays. Maybe i wasn't as attached to the originals as you were but for the most part all of the changes i've seen haven't been that bad. When he included Hayden Christensen at the end it was a symbolic change showing that vader had gone back to a time where he was no longer dark side. The music change, come on, the yub yub song was shit, John Williams new version is a thousand times better, and i feel the same way about the emperor.
TonyORebel 12 hours ago
Sorry, but i'm all for the change they made in this scene. When I saw this as a kid, I just saw this as another scene. Then they redid it with Ian McDiarmid and my reaction changed from "just another scene" to "I think I just crapped my pants" lol. Besides, having played the Emperor in Ep. 6, I think it makes more sense to have re-edited this. Odd to have 2 different styled Emperor's.
& I see no need to boycott the Blue-Rays. It's not hurting you. Let the new generation have their abomination :P
matrix86 2 days ago 2
the emperor is dr evzan!
dalektaliban 3 days ago
What's the story of the emperor's face in this scene being the face of dead chimpanzee or something like that? I read that they superimposed the chimpanzee's face on the body or something. Anyone care to shed some light into this?
frodo322 5 days ago
the British actor doing the voice is a man, but the person playing the physical role is a woman.
futuremovieactor 5 days ago
awful, just awful. hooray for Lucas for some necessary changes!
Lostzilla847 1 week ago
There is something very unsettling about the way Clive Revill talks here. He just sounds more creepy.
peaceandmetal88 1 week ago
Did he say Nook Skywalker?
Misfitspunk1023 1 week ago
@Misfitspunk1023 Nuke Skywalker!
Yes my Master...
They really don't underestimate their enemies do they?...LOL
LionofDawn 1 week ago
Don't care about which version is the best; both are just giving me the chills! Love this dialogue!
Pedrosdanckwardt 1 week ago
This emporer was funny
daleksvscybermen 1 week ago
This Emperor looked and sounded more dignified and imperial, then the idiotic clown he later turned out.
sadailinikada86 2 weeks ago
@sadailinikada86
Uh...no. This emperor is boring and dull. I think nothing of him.
FranticFatality 3 days ago
Always wondered how they could've gone through with this guy as the emperor in the first place. Those eyes look like a bug's and overall, this version of him is just boring.
TimothyMably 2 weeks ago
Your nostalgia clouds your vision my young apprentice Ian McDiarmid is a WAY better actor than this guy.
KingLink95 2 weeks ago
as an artist, i can understand the re-editing lucas does. u try to make something look a certian way, but u cant so u do what u can. then time passes and u find new techniques and technology that can change it back to the way u originally saw it. although, i can understand it for the people who grew up seeing the original before any changes. the original versions should be preserved and on the new releases. the same arguement can be heard in anime and redubbing, mainly against 4kids.
ajtwista92 2 weeks ago
tmzissupergay 2 weeks ago
Tbh, it had to be done, led to confusion with the link between the 6 films. Different characters people are use to and so on/
TheMatstan 2 weeks ago
This one is so ugly
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moutaz19 2 weeks ago
this idea would be great if darth vader wasnt luke father because this is a bad guy that will attack you face to face but since darth is lukes father the emperor needed to be a more sinister guy like the devil who will hide never show his face and seduce people to his cause.
juank427 3 weeks ago
I sense much anger on you. There's to much hate that clouds your judgement. To bad you have to choose the path of anger and aggresivnes towards other people. It's a pitty.
TrapnestShinigami 3 weeks ago
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TrapnestShinigami 3 weeks ago
@Suriel1981 lol, did George Lucas pay you to say that?
AliceNchainz011 4 weeks ago
@AliceNchainz011 I wish. Getting paid to annoy SW fans would be a great job. (at least that's what Karen Traviss says)
Suriel1981 3 weeks ago
I see this back when i rented this movie!!!!
omg i'm so lucky to not see the new edited versions. :D
HuracanPolimar 1 month ago
I'm still confused over this, is the "definitive" laserdisc anamorphic or not? Also is the previous "widescreen" laserdisc anamorphic? Does any anamorphic edition of the original trilogy (non-special) exist??
RetroRepair 1 month ago
@RetroRepair None of the laserdiscs were anamorphic. Anamorphic LDs really didn't exist (with the exception of the few Japanese titles that were essentially novelties). No official anamorphic version of the non-SE Original Trilogy exists. There are some excellent anamorphic fan preservations, though, which you should definitely seek out.
mielr 1 month ago
@mielr Thanks for clearing that up for me! BTW, do you know if the "widescreen" laserdiscs prior to the "definitive" boxset used a different master print?
RetroRepair 4 weeks ago
@RetroRepair The "definitive" boxed set was a new transfer then, so the previous widescreen LDs used a different master. The same transfer that was made for the "definitive" set was also used for the "faces" LDs and VHS (and then used for the non-anamorphic DVDs).
mielr 4 weeks ago
I don't mind the change in actor, but the change in dialogue is unforgivable. Instead of learning that Vader was Luke's father in the fight, he simply overhears it in this scene. Well done George....
gheywood1 1 month ago
Ian is dethanitly without a doubt a better emperor. This guy's rubbish! I'm glad they changed it to Ian in the 2004 edition.
ChocolateisIsNice 1 month ago 2
@ChocolateisIsNice
I'd just like to say, I meant no offense to the guy who played the original emperor or anyone else for that matter.
ChocolateisIsNice 1 month ago
Darth Vader: Tebowing before Tebow was born.
Astrokid248 1 month ago
this emperor is dumb, he sucks at acting, ian plays it perfectly
BlackRedconversion 1 month ago 2
why isnt his face scarred?
returnofthekingxd 1 month ago
@returnofthekingxd it is. That face looks normal to you?
muclesmarinara 1 month ago
horrible ian mcdiamrid fucks this emperor
BlackRedconversion 1 month ago
@BlackRedconversion what do you mean? Mcdiarmid played the emperor in Return of The Jedi as well.
muclesmarinara 1 month ago
@muclesmarinara
Did BlackRedconversion say he didn't?
ChocolateisIsNice 1 month ago
this emperor has one eye bigger than the other
mOsherfr3ak99 1 month ago
this version seem more sinister an evil as opposed to the sickly old man
thesparduck117 1 month ago in playlist Favorite videos
You know, if all they did was update the ghost version of Anakin and Hologram of the emporer to be more in line with the prequels, I wouldn't mind the changes made. But they also change the Lapti Nek sequence in RotJ and the exchange between Han and Greedo, as well as recolouring the whole damn movies and editing a bunch of other shit in, unnecessarily. So, yeah. FUCK the "remastered" versions! There's no need to repaint the Sistine Chapel and there's no reason to "remaster" Star Wars.
MMRED 1 month ago
The difference in quality between a DVD and Blu-ray is very substantial. DVD cannot display resolutions past 480p, and Blu-ray does 1080p. Even on an HD TV, DVD doesn't look fantastic. Compare a blu-ray to a DVD and you'll instantly notice the difference. Blu-ray blows DVD out of the water, which is why a DVD movie is usually 4-6gb while a Blu-ray is 25-50gb. People who think that Blu-ray is just a scam are completely uninformed
YamiJustin 1 month ago
The so called original scene is awful and ridiculous, I am glad Lucas did the reasonable thing and put Mr Ian to redo it. Now it actually looks like frigging Emperor Palpatine, not an old woman with a badly acted voice badly dubbed over her.
Olorin444 1 month ago 2
0:50 !!
starwars0530 1 month ago
this is why george lucas changed the emperor
starwars0530 1 month ago
I'm sorry, but I don't know why people hate this change is star wars. This change is a good one. The emperor would fit so badly with the other films if they kept this version in.
ChocolateisIsNice 1 month ago
Anyway, I don't understand why people are so upset about the reedited versions of Star Wars. Let go of it already! Jesus! It's bad enough Lucas couldn't let go of it and had to tweak them, must everyone else be obsessed with it too? And honestly, Lucas created the damn movies, not you, he didn't have the resources to do everything he wanted in like 1977, so let the man do what he wants. Is it that tormenting that they replaced the old lady in this scene? Is it, really? I bet she's not pissed.
grublet13 1 month ago
@grublet13 Oh, yea.....yet another "let it go", "get a life" posting. Never get tired of those...
Why don't you take your own advice?
mielr 1 month ago 14
@mielr Ouch.
grublet13 1 month ago
@mielr Replacing this old ugly thing with Ian Mcdiarmid was definitely an improvement. Sorry to Clive Revill, but...
AJDilly 5 hours ago
@grublet13 Plus the fact that the replaced her with THE GUY THAT PLAYED HIM IN RETURN OF THE JEDI!!! I agree with you, although I still love all the movies.
Darthbrandon 1 month ago
@grublet13 Well, if people wanted to keep the original, then convert it to VHS, they could do it. I like the way that they made this scene originally, it was nice back when they edited analog film frame by frame, but still, if someone really wanted it, they could take a VHS to digital converter, and form a digital video file, it's doable.
suemorphplus2009 6 days ago
The special edition DVD release , with Ian McDiarmid, is one of the few changes I liked. Amazingly, the inclusion of him didn't have them spoiling the movie's ending... which is amazing, given how crass some of the other changes made to the trilogy have been...
Ideally, having McDiarmid just redo the lines from the original would be best.
Thermodynamic 1 month ago 14
@Thermodynamic
McDiarmid speaks the original lines in Adywan's ESB:R. (idk how he did it)
watch?v=h0q0CF5Y1cI
FekLeyrTarg 2 weeks ago
you should boycott blu ray in general. It's all a scam. I have every version of the original trilogy already and I love them all.
muclesmarinara 1 month ago
@muclesmarinara Why do you think blu-ray is a scam? I don't dislike blu-rays in general- I own several and the PQ is great. I would love to have the Original-Original Trilogy on blu-ray someday......but that will be the ONLY version of the trilogy I will EVER buy on blu-ray!
mielr 1 month ago
@mielr I don't think there is anything wrong with a dvd on an HD flatscreen TV. To me,that is perfect picture quality and it was a necessary upgrade from VHS tapes which get fuzzy over time. Blu ray is a way for the companies to re sell the same movies. For example,The Godfather box set. I had the VHS set when it was new and then I got the expensive DVD set when it was new and now they sell the same thing in Blu ray as if the DVD picture quality is shit. My DVDs are all crystal clear.
muclesmarinara 1 month ago
@muclesmarinara Well, yes, I agree that it's a way for the studios to sell the same movies over again, and to most people, the jump in picture quality will be negligible - not at all like the huge jump from VHS to DVD.
I have only purchased one Blu-Ray that I already owned on DVD: Rocky Horror. All my other Blu-Ray discs are films that I did not previously own on DVD.
mielr 1 month ago
@mielr That's good. The only way I'm gonna get into blu ray is if someone gives it to me as a gift. But Rocky Horror is a classic movie anyway and you gotta have it.
muclesmarinara 1 month ago
@muclesmarinara No one is forcing you to buy the blu-ray version if you're happy with the inferior dvd copy. And it IS inferior, in both picture and audio.
Tagemandbagem 1 month ago
@Tagemandbagem I know no one is forcing me and I dont think that anyone else should be tricked into buying the same movie. The DVDs are inferior? By how much? 1%?
Not much difference. You are the kind of person that will buy what they trick you into buying. That's your problem.
muclesmarinara 1 month ago
@muclesmarinara No, they are not inferior by just 1%. They ARE, however, inferior. That is something even ignorant subjectivity cannot argue with successfully. Not all Bluray transfers are carried out properly, that is why smart people read reviews before purchase. If you are truly a fan of a film, and it is released in FAR better quality audio, and picture than before, then that is the version you will want. There is no scam about it. You are paying for that quality.
Tagemandbagem 1 month ago
@Tagemandbagem I have seen blu ray and dvd side by side and I cant tell the difference. I was a salesman and I can usually tell when a business is getting ready to fuck someone in the ass. The blu ray thing is a huge scam. It's a cool sounding name in pretty packaging and it costs more money then regular dvds. It's bullshit. But people will keep believing the hype and make some piece of shit business man rich.
muclesmarinara 1 month ago
@muclesmarinara Like I said before, it's not subjective, it's fact. Bluray can, and does, have far better picture, and audio quality to DVD.
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TheRobMargolin 1 month ago
he has a head like a well chewed toffee
louthleviathan 1 month ago
it's not just the blue-ray, since the special editions in the 90s i believe (i should check my cassette)
LtDanw 2 months ago
What the fuck is wrong with his eye!?
stuntmanmike37 2 months ago
anyone else keep thinking of the star wars rap ? lol
AlecTheConfused 2 months ago
The emperor was THOM YORKE?!?!
nothke 2 months ago 2
Apparently the person who played the Emperor there was a woman??
MegaGreatBritain 2 months ago 2
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i have the originals and i think Clive did a great voice over and as for the wife of one of the guys who work with George on the movies her performance with the mask and make up and everything is just fine they did the best they could for the time sure it's a shame they couldn't get Ian in 1980 and didn't get him until 83 but it's not that big of a deal it's just fine the way it is
metaljay18 2 months ago
i have the originals and i think Clive did a great voice over and as for the wife of one of the guys who work with George on the movies her performance with the mask and make up and everything is just fine they did the best they could for the time sure it's a shame they couldn't get Ian in 1980 and didn't get until 83 but it's not that big of a deal it's just fine the way it is
metaljay18 2 months ago
I saw this movie at the theater at least 8 times when it 1st came out in 1980. I was 19 yrs old. I was always high. And this will always be one of my favorite scenes, and I cannot stand the fact that it was changed for the newer version to show Pulp-Brain-Teen. I understand why it was changed, and I no longer get high. But I will ALWAYS look upon this version and THIS scene featuring THIS emperor with the respect that it deserves. I'm too old and set in my ways to care about the new crap.
maximadog 2 months ago
@DaHuzyBru
Yes, that is an OLD WOMAN playing the emperor, using a different voice-over.
McDiarmid was GREAT.
This is NOT the same thing as Greedo shooting first, it's more like Jabba the Hutt being replaced over the original fat guy they used.
SovereignStatesman 2 months ago
@SovereignStatesman ahahaha yeh i agree, well said
DaHuzyBru 2 months ago
@DaHuzyBru
The problem is that impressionable people will automatically say that their FIRST impression is always BEST, and so thy scoff at any attempts to improve it.
Greedo shooting first is NOT an improvement, however, because obviously Greedo couldn't miss from 3 feet away, and Han Solo would be an idiot to wait for that to happen. So what if Han shot first? Greedo SAID he was going to kill Han, and that should have been good enough reason for Han to shoot first.
SovereignStatesman 2 months ago 2
@SovereignStatesman ikr i mean if greedo shot first han would've died so i love the new changes
DaHuzyBru 2 months ago
@DaHuzyBru
WTF?
HELLO?
They CHANGED the video, so that Greedo DOES shoot first!
Originally, HAN shot first-- but they wanted to Han look goody-goody, so they CHANGED it!
How can you NOT KNOW THAT?
SovereignStatesman 2 months ago
@SovereignStatesman alrite go all ape shit on me FUK U besides i dont really give a fuk who shoots first
DaHuzyBru 2 months ago
@DaHuzyBru
You just said otherwise, but you don't know much so it don't matter.
SovereignStatesman 2 months ago
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@SovereignStatesman yes right on!
DaHuzyBru 2 months ago
Hate to break this to you, but that is a WOMAN playing the emperor!
The voice is DUBBED.
SovereignStatesman 2 months ago
HE LOOKS WIRED :O
grandfathercullen 2 months ago
Everytime I watch this clip I think of being at 6 year old in the basement glued to the TV set...innocence..and when I see the new one I think about how much George is trying to kill that
Cameron13A 2 months ago
yes, that's original...i remember several years ago on vhs this was emperor..now that is scene with changed angle and face
LukeCroat1 2 months ago
Well one thing that bothers me here is that emperor doesn't sound like the emperor at all. He doesn't sound like a bad guy and his voice is a lot more normal.
thegamingwarhero 2 months ago
I really hate that they added a bunch of shit, especially since everything they added in the Mos Eisley Spaceport scene in the first one looks like complete shit.
Stewie2392 2 months ago
whats interesting is that this version looks a lot like yoda. I wonder if he was actually going to turn out to be yodas son.
helium73 2 months ago
Meh this version is ok, but not nearly as good as Ian's performance. That and with Ian playing the Emperor in The Empire Strikes Back is not only better, creepier and more menacing but consistent since Ian plays the Emperor in Return of the Jedi.
Yabuturtle 2 months ago
This version was terrible. Merge Palpatine's face with a monkey and call it special effects? Yeah, that's what they did in 1980. Praise God that Lucas fixed it and now with 1080p HD blu-ray graphics!
ThePatrickFamilyBand 3 months ago
This is so weird. I was raised on the edited, new versions of Star Wars, and seeing the original like this is almost like looking into a parallel universe. It's surreal.
ElectricChaplain 3 months ago 9
@ElectricChaplain You poor kid. :(
emptysoul25 2 months ago
george lucas has thumbed down 47 times
themachman19691 3 months ago
The only great disturbance in the Force is that this scene was omitted from the Blu-ray release!
TheVerandaguy 3 months ago
Ian McDiarmid sounds more menacing
Remington61189 3 months ago
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Remington61189 3 months ago
wait, I grew up watching the 1995 VHS release that you were talking about, and that is definitely not the face that was used! Admittedly, it has been a few years since I last watched it, but that ugly thing is not something I would forget...
tierz2 3 months ago
@tierz2 If you have the '95 release, then it is this version you have. The emperor was not changed until the 1st DVD release in 2004 (not even the '97 Special Edition theatrical release was changed!)
mielr 3 months ago 5
Fuck the "prequels". What a fucking trio of shit. Utter shit.
cochranexyz 3 months ago
this version was terrible. ruined Empire. sounds and looks completely wrong
its good that Lucas is finally making these much needed changes. like Boba's voice which is awful in the original
RedKingCommandz 3 months ago
@RedKingCommandz Boba's voice was awful? Why would you say that? What was wrong with it in your opinion?
TobeyStarburst 3 months ago
@TobeyStarburst i apologise that i didn't say "in my opinion". i usually hate people that don't do that.
i personally just thought it sounded so bad, the accent was stupid and the diction was terrible and there was absolutely no acting in the deliverance of lines. i know boba didn't have a wealth of lines to say but still. the guy who played Jango and the clones in the prequels did a far better job. and it makes more sense to have him as the voice anyways.
RedKingCommandz 3 months ago
@RedKingCommandz
You do know it was made before Jedi? He sounds fine, especially if Jedi didn't come out yet. And Boba's old voice was better. Taking off his mask, they made him really boring. Before the prequels came out, there was all this talk about Fett being Jet Li and/or some psycho covered in scars and/or some bad ass alien- then we get some boring guy.
KillianReed 2 months ago
Did this same guy come out in return of the Jedi ? Cause I never got to see the original version.
TheSixSamurai1 3 months ago
The original Emperor is actually Sir Alec Guinness. He had a medical issue with his eyes and was sensitive to light during the filming. He wore sunglasses because of this and the area around the glasses was hidden with makeup. The actual eyes were animated in post-production, and give them a spooky floating effect.
THEORIGINALEXSCAPER 3 months ago
@THEORIGINALEXSCAPER Actually, you are wrong. It was some old Lady, wearing a mask, with Chimpanzee eyes over hers, and dubbed by a man.
zachzilla26 3 months ago
idk, i like the version with Ian MacDiarmuid. For one, he doesnt look anything like the emperor from the original episode VI, so they kinda HAD to...second, Ian IS the emperor, his voice sounds ten times as intimidating. My opinion.
tylerjaydavis 3 months ago
Hate to tell the author this, but your efforts to boycott the blu-rays are futile. The remake with Palpatine as the emperor is the way this film should have been done. Ultimately, this is George Lucas' definitive vision so whatever any fan has to say about it is useless.
dciguy01 3 months ago
@dciguy01 "Glad you're here to tell us these things..."
mielr 3 months ago 21
@mielr You're quite welcome
dciguy01 3 months ago
@mielr well he looks weird
MultiPluto1234 3 months ago
@mielr 0:12 It was a bitch who played the emperor
lordvoldemort578 3 months ago
@dciguy01 ultimately, george lucas's definitive vision is crap. he fell victim to the typical artist's syndrome of revision upon revision, he couldn't stop himself until everything was blown WAY out of proportion. in his eyes, the series is now complete and perfect, but what he doesn't realize is that sometimes the imperfections are what creates the realism and ultimately captures the audience.
vgrzen34 3 months ago 2
@vgrzen34 It will NEVER be complete in his eyes. He clearly suffers from O.C.D. Now they will be in 3D. Is THAT his definitive vision? The 3D versions will have even MORE changes made. Lucas is a hack. He got LUCKY. To quote a great man; "Star Wars is great DESPITE George Lucas,not because of him."
Chrisdrumz 3 months ago
@Chrisdrumz yeah, you're absolutely right. in my opinion, the sequels could have been great if they had restricted lucas somehow to just WRITING them. if irvin kershner had worked on them, along with the rest of the crew from the empire strikes back (seeing as how that was the best star wars movie ever) they probably would have been worth watching
vgrzen34 3 months ago
@vgrzen34 this guy knows what he's talking about.
snowwhistle1 2 months ago
@dciguy01 fuck Lucas
cowboyx1970 3 months ago
@dciguy01 Weeee've beeen trolled, we've been trolled, we have probably been told.
celestialtriceratops 2 months ago
Enough with this kind of campaigns. If you are really upset with changes being made to the movies don't make a campaign about boycotts, make a campaign about releasing alternative versions of the movies. One version with all the changes, and another with the movies as they were when they were on theaters. That way you get the movie the way you like it, unchanged, and those of us who want in the improvements get what we want as well.
extremechampion00 3 months ago
@extremechampion00 You are very naive, and obviously unaware of the battle that has been going on for the past decade to do just that. I wish things were as simple as you obviously think they are.
mielr 3 months ago
@mielr Call it naivity, idealism, I don't know. I just don't see why the only way to get Lucasfilm's attention on this matter has to be a battle. If history has taught us anything is that peaceful movements are just as effective and less painful than battles. You're right about one thing though, I was unaware that this tension for the changes made in the movies and the OT - PT conflict were going on, and I wish I had stayed that way.
extremechampion00 3 months ago
@extremechampion00 "peaceful movements"? So, what part of boycotting isn't peaceful? I don't recall hearing about any acts of violence by pro-Original Trilogy individuals. When you boycott something, you are making it known you are displeased with something by NOT spending your money on it. A boycott is about as peaceful as it gets, as are petitions - both of which have been done. There's a new petition up at the Original Trilogy site, BTW, if you're interested in signing it.
mielr 3 months ago
@mielr I didn't mean it in that context, actually I didn't convey my idea with the proper words, but I've grown tired of this conversation so I'll just let it die here.
extremechampion00 3 months ago
As long as George Lucas is alive, and in control of Lucasfilm LTD, the original unaltered trilogy will never be released, completely restored and remastered in HD quality. The day he does there will be plans to release these films as they were back in 1977, 1980, and 1983. Until then enjoy the DVD's with the less than Laserdisc quality.
trans8010 3 months ago
The 2004 version of this scene is better.
MrTommymcgowan 3 months ago
I hated all the changes Lucas made to the original trilogy but replacing the guy/old woman with Ian whom played Palpatine in ROTJ and episodes I, II, and III was the only change I didn' mind this version of palpatine Looks wierd.
raiderfan89ify 3 months ago
@JaydeeOldBoy half the time filmmakers rarely disrespect each others work out of respect for one another their tru opinions r different. however carrie fisher stated her tru opinon on the new films cause shes not scared to voice her tru opinions like all the people u jus listed r. and lucas is only doin this for money not to prove cgi is better. fuckin retard. ur film taste is a bad joke. if they made a film about a gay cgi donkey undergoin therapy in a cgi world ud probrbly love it.
TheResidentevil101 3 months ago
@JaydeeOldBoy OBVIOUSLY lucas will concur in interviews for profit and to not look bad so the press dont attack him. SPIELberg is a close friend of lucas hell agree cause hes the director of the indiana jones series so if they had a fallen out it wud look bad. u hav no brain whtsoever. u hav no idea wht ur on about, no idea how the bullshit u speak is makin u look more retarded, no idea wht TV show business or good business means.
TheResidentevil101 3 months ago
Okay, so I was watching the 2004 version of Empire Strikes Back and when I got to the scene with the emperor, I stopped halfway and thought about the original. So I went on here and found this clip.
After comparing this version with the new version, I have to say, this Emperor is actually really eerie. His voice is cleaner and sound less old and yet the less dialogue he says, he sounds really awesome, reminds me of a narrator for Conan the Barbarian. Ian McDiramid is good but I prefer this guy.
Volts48 3 months ago
I know a lot of folks think that this is one of the good changes - but I actually like this creepier original version of the Emperor.
DrFaustusAU 3 months ago
@JaydeeOldBoy mind u i hav friends who started with phantom menace but still agree with my opinion so i suppose it jus takes a brain and proper taste. the fans of the original versions r not purists we jus cant stand the feelin of warped retards who hav never experienced the beauty of the originals slander them as if they kno wht their talkin about or even worse people who hav but lick lucas feet jus because hes the creator. when really he butchered his own work. fuckin idiot.
TheResidentevil101 3 months ago
@JaydeeOldBoy continuity? obi wan knew nothin of leia in empire yoda told him off screen inbetween empire and rotj so tell me this. how did obi wan magically forget leia if he apparently helped deliver her and luke in rots. suck on ur prequels and suck on ur edited shit. only those who hav seen the masterpieces from the tru start of episode 4 kno wht they r talkin about. if u get sucked in startin with the prequels then watch the edited ones u hav a warped view of a classic story.
TheResidentevil101 3 months ago
@JaydeeOldBoy u fanboys simply fail to understand tht cgi doesnt make a good film if tht were the case all films wud be cgi battles with no story whtsoever. story makes a good film. and in general there is even better cgi than the new star wars cough pirates of the caribbean.
TheResidentevil101 3 months ago
@JaydeeOldBoy ill never understand y u new fanboys r tht stupid. the yoda puppet in the originals i believe won an award for realism whereas the cgi yoda was laughed at because it looks too fake. the phantom menace yoda puppet was also too blatantly fake.
TheResidentevil101 3 months ago
@sk8tr192 the problem with the new dialgoue is tht it hints at vaders origins be4 the plot twist which is retarded because who wants hints for the greatest plot twist of all time. plus palpatine never says jedi names once he has them on the dark side only sith names because he is proud of the dark side and absolutely despises the jedi so the new edit is out of character for palpatine. the originals and even the new fanboys precious prequels back tht up. period
TheResidentevil101 3 months ago
@sk8tr192 the fact tht in the edited 2004 dvd version they mention anakins name is retarded. palpatine always refers to all his apprentices by their sith names because their real names r from when they were jedi. even the prequels back this up. lord maul, lord tyranus (only calls him count dooku when posin as the chancellor) and lord vader (obviously called him anakin be4 he corrupted him).
TheResidentevil101 3 months ago
@sk8tr192 thts because this is before return of the jedi u fuckin idiot. the episode V crew werent psychic to make this emperor sound like an actor WHO WASNT EVEN CAST YET jus to satisfy the bitchin trollers in the 21st centuary. i for one like both emperors. this scene is great it shows the dark mystery of the emperor but we still dont kno much. then in rotj we saw this evil arrogant power hungry smart psychopath in his prime rather than fat and obvious make up cough 3 & 5 (2004 dvd edit)
TheResidentevil101 3 months ago
Star Wars: Shadows of the Empire reveals that Prince Xizor was listening in during this conversation.
Videogamer3692 3 months ago
Did you guys know that the Original Emperor is not Clive, he did the voice for him and the man was given Chimpanzee eyes which were the ideas of the sound mans wife X) I say let George let his vision be the way he saw it, not Irvin's permitted techniques which gave us the platform we all love. Remember that every movie, well at least the good ones, are a form of Art. Focus on the Tragedy of Anakin and his Redemption! And as alot of us newbies say, you can stay in the 80s, no ones stopping you.
HaydenCPASofa 3 months ago
@HaydenCPASofa Yeah. Great story telling elements in the new movies! You could understand perfectly what was happening, all fell in place, and you could feel the tragedy of Anakin Skywalker. NOT!
Lucas has changed from "Storytelling first, effects later", to "better effects, better story". If he wanted to remaster the thing, no problem. But leave them bloody alone! Oh. And Han? Yeah, Han shot first.
month32 3 months ago
what's wrong with his eyes? lololol
maxlr812 3 months ago
Hahaha now I remember! thanks man
CaptCamping 3 months ago
Have to admit that I like the newer emperorororor
KozmoJ68 3 months ago
adding in ian mcwhatever i think was okay but they just had to change the lines.
moviebakerperson 3 months ago
New one, I like...
randomvidzontube 4 months ago
“Boycott the Blurays”
So you don’t like:
Improvements like the change from an abysmal Yoda puppet, and others, to a superior, believable, CG character.
Enhancements that dwarf the original laughable outdated version in comparison.
Continuity, linked scenes from different movies actually making sense and looking as if they came from the same Saga.
I’ll never understand you backwards “purists”.
JaydeeOldBoy 4 months ago
@JaydeeOldBoy You know nothing of film history and you have zero taste. These blu-rays will be perfect for you! Enjoy the prequels.
mielr 4 months ago 9
@mielr
Judging from your idiocies id say I have at least far superior taste.
Using your logic Steven Speilburgh and George Lucas must have no taste or knowledge of film history either... two of greatest and most iconic film makers currently alive. Not to menstion the countless other film makers who praise the fixed, enhanced and sensical re-realases.
Indeed i do greatly enjoy the prequils, they are three of my most favorite movies.
You're so sad it unbelieveable.
JaydeeOldBoy 3 months ago 6
@JaydeeOldBoy I happen to be on mielr side on this issue. If you like the prequels and changes to the original trilogy, thats fine. Us original trilogy fans want the theatrical versions given the equal treatment as the special editions. Don't tell people that they're idiots if they don't like a certain movie or a alternate version of a movie.
DANIELDUDE1000 3 months ago
@mielr if there was a smudge on the original you would want it on the blue ray, thats how bad it is. I'm not saying i like every change they made but some of it was needed like this scene for instance. He sounds nothing like the emperor in Return of the Jedi
sk8tr192 3 months ago
@sk8tr192 That's a big leap, saying that because I want the original versions of the films preserved, that I would want a "smudge" preserved. A "smudge" is not an intended part of a film. Regardless of how you feel about the different actors playing the emperor in ESB and ROTJ, the dialogue in ESB is SUPERIOR, and that alone is a reason it should be preserved.
mielr 3 months ago
@mielr ok that was a little much, but believe it or not someone told me that they would've kept something like a smudge in it forever, but oh well. But I'm curious , why is the the ESB dialogue Superior to you? And BTW I do understand a little, I grew up watching the '95 VHS set so I'm not completely happy with it all.
sk8tr192 3 months ago
@mielr Funny, I don't seem to recall the original Star Wars film opening to rave reviews at all. In fact, Lucas has a shirt of one of those reviews, which ends in, "In other words, a bad movie."
You purists flip the hell out over everything done to your precious originals - well, guess what! You don't have to watch the others. If you don't want to buy it, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUY IT. I know, crazy, right?
Seriously, shut the hell up and get a job.
GerardWayJr 3 months ago
@GerardWayJr The original trilogy is a work of art. They made movie history, as they were. They should be preserved as is, rather than tampered with constantly. The constant meddling with them does not improve them, and trying to link them to the execrable prequels does a huge injustice to them. Lucas just can't accept that these originals outgrew him and that he can never make a movie that good again.
KenoshiAkai 3 months ago
@GerardWayJr So, if we're "purists" guess that makes you a "fanboy". Why don't YOU get a job, or are you having too much fun trolling youtube videos telling others what to do? Have you ever fought for ANYTHING in your life or do you just bend over and take what's given to you? Sad.
mielr 3 months ago
@GerardWayJr The original Star Wars won six oscars, most of the changes are cool, but Vader yelling "noo" before he kills the emperor is enough to boycott the blu rays
thedexterbros 3 months ago
@JaydeeOldBoy
Abysmal puppet? Are you referring to the shitty puppet used in Phantom Menace, or Empire?
AbyssCrown 3 months ago
@AbyssCrown
Well both aren't very good but the Phantom Menace puppet is the one i was refering too, its horriffic and even worse than the 80s puppet 19 long years on.
JaydeeOldBoy 3 months ago
@JaydeeOldBoy
Yeah, the Phantom's puppet was atrocious.
AbyssCrown 3 months ago
@JaydeeOldBoy
If there was one post in all of youtube that has the most thumbs down, it would be yours, and for a very good reason.
freezingfire810 3 months ago
@freezingfire810
Well dont just give half a comment, if there are good reasons then do tell. Enlighten me, geroge lucas, steven speilberg, martin scorsese and the endless other iconic filmmakers who (in interviews at least) concur with me. Do share your superior knowledge.
JaydeeOldBoy 3 months ago
@JaydeeOldBoy The biggest flaw with CG is that no matter how detailed it looks you know it's fake. It's like watching live action characters interact with a video game character. The puppets were actually there interacting with the actors. Small mistakes in SFX never kept me from enjoying the original trilogy.
The prequels screwed up the continuity. If Lucas would've thought it out better there wouldn't be any stupid continuity issues like Obi-wan apparently forgetting who Leia was.
noblelance 3 months ago
@JaydeeOldBoy its because some people watched the originals as kids and thats what they grew up with. also many do not like the unnecessary changes like the extented cgi in moseisley. Also the cgi sticks out really bad considering these are old movies
rronak95 3 months ago
i LOVE my blu rays copies
Tairaa91 4 months ago
Let me say up-front that I am not in favour of everything Lucas has done with the rereleases.
However, I am in favour of changing this. The other guy has some subtleties in his acting that are not present here. Also, it adds consistency with the other four appearances of the character and the added dialogue better conveys that Vader is playing dumb so he can betray the Emperor and train Luke himself.
stitch99 4 months ago
@stitch99
I usually like Ian McDiarmid better, but I don't really like his version of this scene. He just doesn't hit the creepiness factor this guy gives off.
Johnnyank 3 months ago
the thing i love is the actress with chimp mask is an old woman
funkyfreshbboy 4 months ago
Holy fuck, this is a scary-lookin' version of Palpy. Been a long time since I've seen this version. Yikes!
FrenziedMadness25 4 months ago
well I like the revisited version because I want the emperor to have a scrotum for a face.
GoGoGo2Sleep 4 months ago
Fuck Lucas and all of his lies!!!
xraycat30 4 months ago
Emperor Palpatine was played by a woman with special effect Chimpanzee eyes and was voiced by a man. This is the better version, not the new crap nowadays. D:<