That tip about the Tom arms worked amazing for me. My rack tom has been sounding dead for about a year now and I've tried everything short of buying a new drum set. Watched this video, turned the Tom arm upside down and BOOM! Great full sounding Tom drum again. Thanks!
Snare drum... D? Oh boy. Somewhere between A and B-flat. Oddly, even the notes you're playing on the melodica don't match those on my keyboard as I watch the video. I'm like... HUH? LOL
@sp3ci4lkpo The pitches are correct from my vantage point. The snare drum is Db. Unfortunately, drums are not able to generate exact, perfect pitches due to "overtones"... nature of the beast.
@bobgatzen how would they wouldn't the shells have to be "tuned" to that note in order to produce the note desired along with the head or how could that work
@SuperGilbs If your asking, the shell's pitch is the same pitch that you should tune to... this is not necessarily true…it’s not that simple. Overall pitch is also affected by head type, tom mounting system and overall "condition" of the shell. (shell thickness, roundness and evenness of the bearing edges).
@bobgatzen that's what i thought thank you i greatly appreciate you clarifying this because one of my students had a question about the shells and how they affect tuning and now i know how to answer them thank you very much keep up the good work
Shell depth- longer the depth, the less amount of tuning possibilities. A 12”x12” tom delivers less tuning range than a 8”x12”…16x16 versus 14x16. Shell thickness- a thick shell generates more pitch clarity, while a thinner shell generates more colorful overtones…less pitch clarity. This is strictly “personal Choice”…trust your instinct. I suggest visiting a local drum shop, bring a pair of your sticks and test several brands of drums. I suggest aim for “feel” than “sound”
Bob, have to give big thanks here! Had been trying for a long time to get my drumset to have a great sound, and a great feel at the same time. Looked at this vid, sat down and retuned my drumset for a few hours, and now, it's better than I could ever imagine! Thanks Bob, for blowing new wind in the sails, both for my drumset, and me!
@TrumMarc I can hardly describe the feeling I get from drummers like yourself discovering a new dimension at the kit. This is my mission...to keep drummers drumming.
Thanks for the kind words Marc... means a lot to me!
Hey bob, i have a serious question. what is the optimal height for being comfortable at the drums. I can play for about 20 mins on my drumset, and then my legs start hurting. i played on my friends drumkit, which is positioned different than mine, and was able to play for an hour no problem for band practice. Can you help me? I really dont want to develop problems in my legs, because im not planning on quitting drums any time soon :) thanks :)
@screamodrummer1234 Think "RIGHT-ANGLES"! From an ergonomic approach, also best to create 90-degree angles at the knees (thighs to calves) and Back-to Thighs. OK, to lean back at times but leaning forward over 90 degrees restricts crucial motion of the arms and legs.
@bobgatzen thank you so much!!! i was not able to comment until now because I have been out re-arranging my drumkit, and for the first time in a while, having tins of fun playing drums :) thanks and have a merry Christmas Mr. Gatzen!
@screamodrummer1234 BIG thanks... I can't tell how much appreciate it! Happy Holidays to you too! and please call me "Bob" no formalities in my house!!... we're all friends..drummers!!
hey bob! i notice you usually using normal hoops on all your drums as opposed to a thicker cast one. any reasons behind that? i'm thinking about switching to cast if it's beneficial
@drummer300 I'm switch hoops, especially on the snare drum where I use die-cast and flanged in different positions (top& bottom) depending on what I'm after.
Flanged hoops encourage more overtones which generates a more colorful, complex overall sound. Die-cast will mute overtones that develops a more precise, pitch oriented sound. No good or bad... it's subjective... what ever works for you!
@elScorcho216 The 13" tom is the most finicky tuning-wise. Try tuning it between "E" to F#. Please keep in mind that the perfect 4th, minor third relationships suggest a good starting point.
Something that struck me the second I started watching this video was, the CHAIR!
I've seen almost all your videos, but haven't seen anything on the CHAIR! (dramatic music)
I liked the 'drum shoes aka New balance ;) but do you think you can post a video on the CHAIR!
What I mean is, I can never seem to find 'the sweet spot' from where Im at the correct distance and seat height from my kit and bass drum. This is something I think we could learn allot from. Also, back rest or no back rest?
@ecosiszman The basic concept is to form 90 degree angles between the upper torso relative to the thighs and at the knee caps relative to the shin > foot. If the 90 degree angles need to be adjusted for the best "ease in motion" (movement)... it's best to form a "larger" radius than smaller. For instance open the 90 degrees to 100-110 versus 70-70 degrees. I wrote an article a couple of years ago for Modern Drummer Magazine... try checking their archives for more depth info.
@rarteaga Thanks for writing rateaga! Great heads and tuning is the recipe. Sustain is like candy...can't enough of it. The only stumbling point is the drum shell being out of round and/ or uneven bearing egdes. Unfortunately, no drumhead can correct a flawed drum shell.
Bob - I love the fancy noodling, but how about just jamming on some basic grooves with some nice fills for a change??? Sometimes less is more (as you know.)
@hippydippy There are several vids with me on tunes like "Long Distance Drumming", "Attitude Adjustment", "Mouse". etc. I enjoy drum soloing...it's inspires ideas. But, good reminder...I'll see what can do.No offense taken
@hippydippy I just want to say thank you HD... your comment inspired a video concept for my next YT project! Hmmm...it's funny how things work out. I'll be sure to mention your "inspirational" comment.
BTW- In regards to grooves & fills.. check out Tommy Igoe's '"Groove Elements"... if you haven't already
thanks bob what evans heads are best for rock i have evans g2 how often should you change your drum heads and should they all be changed together and finally should you change the bottom head to as this one dosent get hit
bob very important question when you mike the drums do you get a better sound through the pa (what the audience here) to what you here when playing and should i use bins i over hit the toms to get a better sound does this make sense i have evans g2 clear
Whether I'm listening to a headphone monitor playback (PA/Recording) or acoustically (from my perspective behind the kit) the priority is that it has to SOUND GOOD TO ME...period. Why? if it doesn't, it will affect me in a negative way… both physically and mentally. You're responsible for your drum sound. If you make the drums sound good, than the person running the PA is responsible for the sound quality.
Hey bob is there any difference between the glass hydraulic evans tom head and the black one? i know they are different colors but do they have a different sound??? or feel
@sushiquad Oh yeah BIGTIME! The Black Onyx heads behave like G-2 coated heads. Lot's of resonance, wide tuning range, excellent durability. The Hydraulics are very thuddy sounding, short sustain, punchy tone...specific tunings. Always best to try each one on your 12" tom before investing into a complete set of heads. Happy Hunting!
@bobgatzen thanks a lot for getting back to me bob but what i was asking is is there a difference between the black evans hydraulic head, and the glass evans hydraulic head. if you could reply again that would be great
@sushiquad Sorry, I though you referring to the Onyx heads. The primary element that makes the Hydraulic heads fat and thuddy sounding is a fine layer of of "oil"...baby oil infact, applied to the inside surface of the heads. The film colors are purely aesthetic.
@morpheusdrummer Ahhh, that's a tough one. This I much can guarantee... you'll get more range in tuning from the 12" shell with the trade-off being less low frequencies compared to the 14x14". The feel will change as well. The 12" will open up instantly compared to a slight delay between attack & sustain from long, full depth shells. This can be an advantage if you're use to playing fast figures versus spacious hits.
Haha, cooll! :) I happen to also own a melodica (Hohner S32). I'm sad to say however that I don't tune the electro drums with it... For that I use the midi controls and pitch knobs in fruity loops :D
Tieing a reverb trumpet, a piano or a vocoder (plus using a mic to sing ofcourse) to the drum kit is also a true joy. I'm having fun as if I were still 8 years old... The best idea however was to route bass to hihat, hihat to tom, tom to snare etc. etc.. That sounded awsomely retarded :D
I never thought I'd actually seriously say this without being ironic or otherwise joking, but...
There is so much love in your videos! :)
Great intel, albeit a tad above my head... See, I just bought a 400 euro FAME electro drumkit to be able to at least hit something that sounds like a drum for the first time in my life, and not any time soon will I be able to afford any more or practise on real drums... But looking at you makes me want to practise that thing. Thanks.
Wow... thank you Sad for the fantastic message! Your last sentence is exactly why I spend the time & energy responding to drummers questions and stories.
Bob sorry for bothering u again, I've to many doubts ,it just don't let me sleep lol. I was trying to match the pitches of the melodica on a keybord n i noticed that the Db on the 14" where in 3rd octave and 10" 1 octave higher, the 16" in Bb on 2nd octave all in a G minor key , am i right ? and if so, how to know which octave to use, and which key ? is G minor like the basic one ? If i don't use octaves i'll get a lower tuning ?
Greetings from Mexico bob, stop by any time please !!¡¡
With drums, clarity in pitch is often difficult to recognize (hear) especially on the large diameter drums. You should hear a D" on the 16" and and 14" between E-G. If the 16 is @ D then the 12" can be tuned to an D an octave higher and vice versa for the 10" compared to the 14" an octave higher. The problem is... depending on the "condition" and inherent design of the drum can either produce a "clear" or "Cloudy" pitch. Hope this helps
I go back and forth. if you look at the black it the 14 & 16 are on the right side (traditional). I change set-ups around to keep things fresh... and challenging. This way I get more performance ideas
Bob, thankyou so much... but i have this problem that my toms sound great from behind the kit, but when i get in front of them the tone carries no where! I would really like your help. i have a pearl vision vx. the 10" tom is mounted on my crash stand. with an sst ec2 coated evans head on top and a hi-frequency aquarian on bottom (really thin head) can u help me? thanks again
ok now i have a 10" rack and a 16" floor. i tuned them to a Dflat and wow, the resonance! But its way to low of a pitch, especially for the rack, but when i tune higher i loose all of the tone when i stand in front of the kit?
Yes, this is very typical. In the world of sound design is called "Proximity"...the positioning of sound sources. There a 2 values that need to be considered. 1. Tuning the drums for the audience or 2. Tuning for yourself. My philosophy is "drummer first", then tweak as much as possible without sacrificing the SOUND and FEEL at the stick. It's a delicate balance. Just my 2-cents... you'll find many different opinions on this topic. Hope you find your comfort zone.
I agree 100% percent. When playing a show the best thing to do is always tune the drums at the venue and as bob said find your comfort zone. One thing that i found is have someone whom knows your kit and have them walk to different areas while you play the kit. If it works well for you and the audience all the more better. Tuning drums is something over time just has to be mastered as bob stresses in his tuning lessons. Bob you rock man!!
hey bob, im learning guitar and bass, also i know a bit of keyboard, and I play flute (lol not sure if it is flaute or flute, hep you understand) if I only have the flute ... can i use that?
Multi instrumentalist... good for you! The flute's OK but it's best to use a "tempered" instrument that requires no tuning...like El Piano, synth,etc. If you have a iTouch you can download the "Pitch Pipe" app. It's the old fashion black, round pitch pipe that works great as a tuning reference for only $1.00!!
Hi bob, just an idea, most drummers I would say own an I-pod right ? You can get apps for them ! I've found some keyboard apps and guitar tuner apps which I find useful to help with tonal tuning !!
Keep these brilliant videos coming !!
P.s why do I still need extra damping even though I've got some be ec2 sst's ? Is it just my lack of tuning skill ???
IPod apps... absolutely. I use the "Pitch Pipe" app all the time. Also, if you pick up a ?mic" for the touch there are tons of sound design apps available. One in particular is called "Audio Tools"
Try the EC-reso (resonant head) it shortens sustain by creating more focus. Best to test it on your 12" tom before buying a complete set.
Let me tell you that you are an awesome drummer and teacher! taught me so much stuff related to this musical instrument. You should visit Latin America (specially Argentina..jaja) and put up a clinic for us.
Big time thanks! I read your letter to my wife and asked her if you'd like to go to Argentina. She responded with..."we can hardly make it to Boston lol!
An alternative to a melodica would be a pitch pipe designed for a tympanist. It's cheap, portable, virtually indestructible and it gives the same pitches.
Yes...true... a pitch pipe will work fine. The reason I suggest the Melodica, is that it's laid out like a "piano" keyboard where the drummer can play melodies and chords that will hopefully, lead to playing a secondary melodic instrument. A very important, beneficial move for drummers.
Hey Bob, are ya tired of my questions yet??? thanks for the congrats earlier. I have yet another about "Painting the inner shells of my xp8s" I heard mixed stories on the matter, so I'm asking you. Apparently, Rogers painted their shells up to 1979(XP8) with a grey trunkpaint as they call it. I'm aware that xp8's should have a clear varnish, how can I tell if they did paint them, the wood appears to be just a natural color, I cant tell if it is varnished or unvarnished. Thanks,Mike
Can't which is best because sound is subjective. However, the formula is pretty simple. The harder, smoother (varnish) the finish will brighten the tone and vice versa, the natural wood or painted grey (Gretsch type) finish will create a "fatter" warmer tone by comparison. The differences in sound are subtle not day and night
Hey Bob! gotta question about what I should do about my new ec2s(sst). I am going to be a father in about a week or less, my question is how can I prolong the life of ec2 SSTs if they will be sitting either on or off the shells mabye a year(until my daughter is old enough to tolorate the noise) Mike
how do you get a note out of your drums as you tune. i find that when i try, i can't quite get that A flat. when i tune my lugs to the same pitch, i can't get that note. how do i get the same pitch around each lug and still get a note
There are 2 pitches to consider Overall Pitch, which is striking the drum while mounted to the kit and Specific pitch, muting one head and tuning the other to a specific pitch. O pitch and S pitches are almost always, "not the same". This is due to acoustical phenomena in regards to shell size & design (vibration), air movement inside the shell and drum head style. Often, the resultant pitch is approximately a 3rd from the specific pitch, For example, S=A > O=C above the A pitch or F# below.
Thanks man. so if i am trying to get an A, should i tune the tom for S A, and if i was tuning on a mount, i should tune it C? or should i tune S a E so the O pitch would be A? thanks for the quick reply by the way
O and S pitches can vary depending head choice and drum design (shell, suspension, etc). Unfortunately, it's not a perfect science so need to experiment. try tuning both heads to an and "A" then mount the drum and listen to the overall pitch. This way you will know whether the S pitches need to go up or down.
i just realized my comment is hard to understand. i want to tune my drums for overall pitch, so i tune the batter head into an A. i would like to find out how to tune my drums so the lugs are of equal tension, and can be an A. i know my drums can be an A because i can go lower and higher, and they sound fine. now the problem i am having is how do i tune my drums for an A and have equal tension across all of the lugs. i just simply can't do it
Hey Bob, Just wanted to say how much you have inspired and helped me revive my Xp8's through your advise and tutorials.THANK YOU SIR! I have a question about the shells on my Rogers. I have got a great sound out of the kit (8x8-16,22x18) . The shells are wrapped as you may know and I have just purchased Gauger RIMS. Since I'm on a neverending pursuit of "resonance" would it help my thick shells resonate more,if I were to make rubber insolators for all the lugs? Thank you for your time Mike
Hey Bob, I forgot to mention that I have ec2's(clear) as the batters and all have ec-reso's on all toms. As I mentioned before the Gauger RIMS have made these babies explode in attack and feel. I've been quite busy modifying the tom mounts(kept the rogers solidarity) onto the RIMS away from the shell of course. Lets just say that my Dremel rotary tool has been getting a workout. Thank again.... MIke
The answer is no... quite the opposite. Isolating the tension casings "decreases" vibrational transfer to the shell. The only reason for plastic or rubber back plates is to protect the "finish" on the shell from the metal casing.
Think of the rubberized motor mounts on a car engine. The idea is to eliminate vibrational transfer to the chassis. With drums, we are seeking exactly the opposite affect, we want the shell to vibrate.
know whats the problem? in order to get your kit to sound properly you need alot of money to keep it new and shinny, know what i mean. The same with the guitar (i am a guitarist). when youre not a pro but you love playing and you love hi end gear, its really difficult to sponsor your passion. even if youre working a day job, its too much to spend like thousands of euros for amps, effects,guitars,basses, setups, kicks, skins, toms,cymbals, cables,strings. in general, quality gear is expensive
Amen! can't agree more. We should start a foundation for dedicated, passionate musicians to to purchase the basics at wholesale prices by giving manufacturers free exposure, advertising.
It's DrumWorkshop Birch shells. The Black/Red flamed kit is a maple shells. Good timing, Funny you mentioned this...I'm about shoot an A/B comparison video. Please stay tuned.
Every so often I switch sizes left to right or vice versa...makes me play differently...opening up new patterns across the kit. I do this with the 16 and 14" as well.
The torque key will only get you into the "ballpark". The next best tuning aid is the "Drum Dial" but there is no substitute for ear training and the ability to sing pitches and pitch intervals.
Best to check out the videos on "dynamic range". These are the vids that start in car and end up in the studio. Also, view the "Toms" vids. Please let me how it works out for you.
hey man i have a mapex q series drum kit, that drums can help me in a masive event????? it have`s evans genera 2 clear batter drumheads and the resonant drumheads that i have its the original mapex drumheads (remo ux) made in china, so i dont know that my drums can help me and all my drums haves a growl sound the size of my drums are>>>> BD22x16,TT12x10,13X11, Floor tom 16x16. all the drum kit sound growl and i want a single sound in the toms except for the floor tom so you can help me??
Generally, the 13" tom is the most difficult to tune, very limited tuning range. Individual head pitches can vary quite a bit dependent upon heads, shell and means of suspension.
However, here are "Overall" pitches that might work for U.
I don't ussually see older cats with skill using budget-level cymbals. They sound good to your ears?
I have the 16" ZHT Med-Thin crash, the 14" rock hats, and the Rock ride, and I only really like the crash. The Ride is tone-less and I just don't enjoy it anymore, and the hats seem kind of bland and don't seem to open up that well.
If it sounds good to YOU... it's a good sound. I don't pay attention to the $ value of cymbals... it's all about sound. Yes, the crash is a ZXT and the ride is custom made 19" Breakbeat.
I go back & forth between custom made 11" "Oriental" (flat bell) hats and 10" Oriental top/Heavy "A" bottom. I can understand how these sounds may sound foreign to you. Appreciate your honest opinion.
No, never got into marching band. However, I was in band & orchestra in early Ed. I made All-State & All-Eastern competitions when in high school. Success in musical achievements during that time certainly influenced me to take music seriously.
o i'm in marching band it really helped me on the drum set i apply the things i learned in marching band and use them on my drum set like the different rudiments
I'm fanatical about "true" drum sticks so my take is, it's better to go to a music store and pick out good sticks than to order a dozen cheapies where you'll end up tossing 1/2 of em
Personal choice. Depends largely on the way you phrase patterns (stickings) I go both ways but mainly left & right. I like to play off the hi-hat to the large tom. Right now I have 2 kits set-up one with the trad 14-16 righty and the other L&R. It's fun to switch back & forth... keeps your ideas fresh!
thats cool. :] i love drumming in general, but i always listened to heavy stuff with really catchy riffs, with blast beats and stuff, so thats what i ended up wanting to play, but ill prolly start playin some jazz and stuff..... :D
its funny... resonance addiction. I remember when I was a kid and had a very cheap drum kit. the wrapped wood must have been luan or or somehting. they sounded SOOO terrible that to make them sound "decent" i had to muffle each drum. now that I finally have a professional MAPLE kit. it makes all the difference in the world. I dont muffle the drums at all. not even the bass drum and they sound absolutely AWESOME! make a video about the "ring" versus "tonal sustain" quality wood vs crappy wood.
Well, thanks for sharing that with me because I'm not that hard of a hitter. I also like my snare to be open and bright, so I will be looking for the 200 rather than a 300. Thank you sir!
i think bob should check into rehab for his resonance addiction
jrcr1 1 month ago
@jrcr1 Rehab perhaps! But not from resonance addiction!
bobgatzen 1 month ago
Now that's great news carl! My pleasure to help out
bobgatzen 1 month ago
That tip about the Tom arms worked amazing for me. My rack tom has been sounding dead for about a year now and I've tried everything short of buying a new drum set. Watched this video, turned the Tom arm upside down and BOOM! Great full sounding Tom drum again. Thanks!
carl9z 1 month ago
Bob sure does love his resonance..
bjbailey241 5 months ago
Hi SG...due to the lack of space here are the basics of shell design. Hope this helps
bobgatzen 9 months ago
Hey Bob. Glad to see someone doing this for those that need it !!
Mart1nwalker 9 months ago
nice to finally see some1 who knows what hes saying and can help me get my kit tuned up nice
sexywhitedrummer 10 months ago
Snare drum... D? Oh boy. Somewhere between A and B-flat. Oddly, even the notes you're playing on the melodica don't match those on my keyboard as I watch the video. I'm like... HUH? LOL
sp3ci4lkpo 10 months ago
@sp3ci4lkpo The pitches are correct from my vantage point. The snare drum is Db. Unfortunately, drums are not able to generate exact, perfect pitches due to "overtones"... nature of the beast.
bobgatzen 10 months ago
@bobgatzen how would they wouldn't the shells have to be "tuned" to that note in order to produce the note desired along with the head or how could that work
SuperGilbs 9 months ago
@SuperGilbs If your asking, the shell's pitch is the same pitch that you should tune to... this is not necessarily true…it’s not that simple. Overall pitch is also affected by head type, tom mounting system and overall "condition" of the shell. (shell thickness, roundness and evenness of the bearing edges).
bobgatzen 9 months ago
@bobgatzen that's what i thought thank you i greatly appreciate you clarifying this because one of my students had a question about the shells and how they affect tuning and now i know how to answer them thank you very much keep up the good work
SuperGilbs 9 months ago
@SuperGilbs
Shell depth- longer the depth, the less amount of tuning possibilities. A 12”x12” tom delivers less tuning range than a 8”x12”…16x16 versus 14x16. Shell thickness- a thick shell generates more pitch clarity, while a thinner shell generates more colorful overtones…less pitch clarity. This is strictly “personal Choice”…trust your instinct. I suggest visiting a local drum shop, bring a pair of your sticks and test several brands of drums. I suggest aim for “feel” than “sound”
bobgatzen 9 months ago
Bob, have to give big thanks here! Had been trying for a long time to get my drumset to have a great sound, and a great feel at the same time. Looked at this vid, sat down and retuned my drumset for a few hours, and now, it's better than I could ever imagine! Thanks Bob, for blowing new wind in the sails, both for my drumset, and me!
Great inspiration, and amazing help.
// Marc
TrumMarc 1 year ago
@TrumMarc I can hardly describe the feeling I get from drummers like yourself discovering a new dimension at the kit. This is my mission...to keep drummers drumming.
Thanks for the kind words Marc... means a lot to me!
bobgatzen 1 year ago 2
Hey nice seat! Where did u get it?
noble381297 1 year ago
@noble381297 It's an invention of mine...check it out at drumframecom
bobgatzen 1 year ago
Thanks again for the kudos!
bobgatzen 1 year ago
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This man is a genius, a natural born explorer / adventurist! :)
You know what guys, I thing that non drummers would enjoy watching him as much as we do :)
Bob, you Rock mate! :)
skyblue021 1 year ago
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skyblue021 1 year ago
Hey bob, i have a serious question. what is the optimal height for being comfortable at the drums. I can play for about 20 mins on my drumset, and then my legs start hurting. i played on my friends drumkit, which is positioned different than mine, and was able to play for an hour no problem for band practice. Can you help me? I really dont want to develop problems in my legs, because im not planning on quitting drums any time soon :) thanks :)
screamodrummer1234 1 year ago
@screamodrummer1234 Think "RIGHT-ANGLES"! From an ergonomic approach, also best to create 90-degree angles at the knees (thighs to calves) and Back-to Thighs. OK, to lean back at times but leaning forward over 90 degrees restricts crucial motion of the arms and legs.
Hope this helps...Happy Holidays to u!
bobgatzen 1 year ago
@bobgatzen thank you so much!!! i was not able to comment until now because I have been out re-arranging my drumkit, and for the first time in a while, having tins of fun playing drums :) thanks and have a merry Christmas Mr. Gatzen!
screamodrummer1234 1 year ago
@screamodrummer1234 BIG thanks... I can't tell how much appreciate it! Happy Holidays to you too! and please call me "Bob" no formalities in my house!!... we're all friends..drummers!!
bobgatzen 1 year ago
DING!! Bottoms UP! !!!!!
DrummerRiley98 1 year ago
@DrummerRiley98 How festive!! Happy Holidays Riley!
bobgatzen 1 year ago
Coolest drum tech in the planet
TheDice2008 1 year ago
@TheDice2008 Thanks so much D... means a lot to me!
bobgatzen 1 year ago
Bob is the awesome mad scientist of the drum world... it's scary what he can create yet so unbelieveably awesome!
adiaddict 1 year ago
Haha Melodica: Don´t leave home without it ...lol
CrissBlackHawk 1 year ago 2
@CrissBlackHawk Bet!
bobgatzen 1 year ago
0:20 people underestimate these grooves waaay too much
TheColbles2009 1 year ago
hey bob! i notice you usually using normal hoops on all your drums as opposed to a thicker cast one. any reasons behind that? i'm thinking about switching to cast if it's beneficial
drummer300 1 year ago
@drummer300 I'm switch hoops, especially on the snare drum where I use die-cast and flanged in different positions (top& bottom) depending on what I'm after.
Flanged hoops encourage more overtones which generates a more colorful, complex overall sound. Die-cast will mute overtones that develops a more precise, pitch oriented sound. No good or bad... it's subjective... what ever works for you!
bobgatzen 1 year ago
@elScorcho216 Cool! My pleasure
bobgatzen 1 year ago
@elScorcho216 The 13" tom is the most finicky tuning-wise. Try tuning it between "E" to F#. Please keep in mind that the perfect 4th, minor third relationships suggest a good starting point.
bobgatzen 1 year ago
i use george of the jungle for my toms
rcboatdriver1234 1 year ago
Great vid!
"Melodica, don't leave home without it." "Resonance, it's an addiction."
Haha, you have some good quotables, for sure. Those might go on my facebook.
Thanks for another great vid!
MNBrink289 1 year ago
@MNBrink289 My pleasure M! We're a small community, the more we share the better we fare!
bobgatzen 1 year ago
Oh man, your kit sounds beautiful! so amazing.
keithpwns 1 year ago
really liked that one, Bob!
kneedragger81 1 year ago
@kneedragger81 Cool! Thanks knee. I like the "Horespower" analogy
bobgatzen 1 year ago
Something that struck me the second I started watching this video was, the CHAIR!
I've seen almost all your videos, but haven't seen anything on the CHAIR! (dramatic music)
I liked the 'drum shoes aka New balance ;) but do you think you can post a video on the CHAIR!
What I mean is, I can never seem to find 'the sweet spot' from where Im at the correct distance and seat height from my kit and bass drum. This is something I think we could learn allot from. Also, back rest or no back rest?
ecosiszman 1 year ago
@ecosiszman Are you referring to the DrumFrame?
bobgatzen 1 year ago
no the actual seat you're sitting on.. like how high/low to the ground/kit and how close/far from the kit. Its always been a problem for me.
ecosiszman 1 year ago
@ecosiszman The basic concept is to form 90 degree angles between the upper torso relative to the thighs and at the knee caps relative to the shin > foot. If the 90 degree angles need to be adjusted for the best "ease in motion" (movement)... it's best to form a "larger" radius than smaller. For instance open the 90 degrees to 100-110 versus 70-70 degrees. I wrote an article a couple of years ago for Modern Drummer Magazine... try checking their archives for more depth info.
bobgatzen 1 year ago
@bobgatzen AH ok thanks Bob, that makes sense, and I'll look on those archives, thanks again :)
ecosiszman 1 year ago
That low tom seemed to sustain for at least 15 seconds!! Not sure if you have vid compression but that sustain was AMAZING!
rarteaga 1 year ago
@rarteaga Thanks for writing rateaga! Great heads and tuning is the recipe. Sustain is like candy...can't enough of it. The only stumbling point is the drum shell being out of round and/ or uneven bearing egdes. Unfortunately, no drumhead can correct a flawed drum shell.
bobgatzen 1 year ago
Bob - I love the fancy noodling, but how about just jamming on some basic grooves with some nice fills for a change??? Sometimes less is more (as you know.)
No offense meant btw...
hippydippy 1 year ago
@hippydippy There are several vids with me on tunes like "Long Distance Drumming", "Attitude Adjustment", "Mouse". etc. I enjoy drum soloing...it's inspires ideas. But, good reminder...I'll see what can do.No offense taken
bobgatzen 1 year ago
@hippydippy I just want to say thank you HD... your comment inspired a video concept for my next YT project! Hmmm...it's funny how things work out. I'll be sure to mention your "inspirational" comment.
BTW- In regards to grooves & fills.. check out Tommy Igoe's '"Groove Elements"... if you haven't already
bobgatzen 1 year ago
thanks bob what evans heads are best for rock i have evans g2 how often should you change your drum heads and should they all be changed together and finally should you change the bottom head to as this one dosent get hit
lyonsy1974 1 year ago
bob very important question when you mike the drums do you get a better sound through the pa (what the audience here) to what you here when playing and should i use bins i over hit the toms to get a better sound does this make sense i have evans g2 clear
lyonsy1974 1 year ago
@lyonsy1974
Whether I'm listening to a headphone monitor playback (PA/Recording) or acoustically (from my perspective behind the kit) the priority is that it has to SOUND GOOD TO ME...period. Why? if it doesn't, it will affect me in a negative way… both physically and mentally. You're responsible for your drum sound. If you make the drums sound good, than the person running the PA is responsible for the sound quality.
bobgatzen 1 year ago
Hey bob is there any difference between the glass hydraulic evans tom head and the black one? i know they are different colors but do they have a different sound??? or feel
sushiquad 1 year ago
@sushiquad Oh yeah BIGTIME! The Black Onyx heads behave like G-2 coated heads. Lot's of resonance, wide tuning range, excellent durability. The Hydraulics are very thuddy sounding, short sustain, punchy tone...specific tunings. Always best to try each one on your 12" tom before investing into a complete set of heads. Happy Hunting!
bobgatzen 1 year ago
@bobgatzen thanks a lot for getting back to me bob but what i was asking is is there a difference between the black evans hydraulic head, and the glass evans hydraulic head. if you could reply again that would be great
sushiquad 1 year ago
@sushiquad Sorry, I though you referring to the Onyx heads. The primary element that makes the Hydraulic heads fat and thuddy sounding is a fine layer of of "oil"...baby oil infact, applied to the inside surface of the heads. The film colors are purely aesthetic.
bobgatzen 1 year ago
@bobgatzen ok thanks a lot bob your the best
sushiquad 1 year ago
@sushiquad You're very welocome...my pleasure to help out when I can
bobgatzen 1 year ago
Bob do you know anywhere i can go to find out how to tune my kit like that Big Band sound of the 50's?
Movienevermade 1 year ago
@Movienevermade To get started best to choose proper heads for this genre.
I suggest Evans G-1 clears or coated, reso and batter (same heads types)
Check out the "Tonal-Tuning" series on the channel.
Let me know how things work out for you...good luck!
Bob
bobgatzen 1 year ago
I don't remembe
DaFuckinSchwartz 1 year ago
you are the man Bob
joelitoooo 1 year ago
@joelitoooo Thanks so much Joel!
bobgatzen 1 year ago
what do you think about evans coated G2's?
andympants 1 year ago
@andympants Great "all-around" head. Pitch clarity, sustain and high durability.
bobgatzen 1 year ago
@bobgatzen yeah there really good. i just bought some last week and i really like them! thanks bob!
andympants 1 year ago
@andympants That's great to hear...mission accomplished! Thanks andy
bobgatzen 1 year ago
hey bob! Can you tell me if a 14x14 tom has more or less reso/sustain than a 14x12 tom in same series..fx. Gretsch USA custom?
morpheusdrummer 1 year ago
@morpheusdrummer Ahhh, that's a tough one. This I much can guarantee... you'll get more range in tuning from the 12" shell with the trade-off being less low frequencies compared to the 14x14". The feel will change as well. The 12" will open up instantly compared to a slight delay between attack & sustain from long, full depth shells. This can be an advantage if you're use to playing fast figures versus spacious hits.
Hope this helps,
Bob
bobgatzen 1 year ago
@bobgatzen many thanks for the reply, that help me a lot. I just cant get enought off reso/sustain!!
Morpheusdrummer.
morpheusdrummer 1 year ago
@morpheusdrummer IT'S A SICKNESS....BUT A GOOD SICKNESS!!!
bobgatzen 1 year ago
@bobgatzen HAHA!!
morpheusdrummer 1 year ago
I love that kit's sound!
Can you list me all the head's model, please?
FuxFucis 1 year ago
@FuxFucis Sure can...
Toms: EC-2-SST clear batter (new version of the EC2) / EC-reso
Snare: ECS-RD or PowerCenter-RD with the Hazy 300 Snare/ Puresound Blaster snares
BD- EMAD 2 or EMAD Onyx and EMAD reso with an EQ pad
Thanks F!
bobgatzen 1 year ago
Haha, cooll! :) I happen to also own a melodica (Hohner S32). I'm sad to say however that I don't tune the electro drums with it... For that I use the midi controls and pitch knobs in fruity loops :D
Tieing a reverb trumpet, a piano or a vocoder (plus using a mic to sing ofcourse) to the drum kit is also a true joy. I'm having fun as if I were still 8 years old... The best idea however was to route bass to hihat, hihat to tom, tom to snare etc. etc.. That sounded awsomely retarded :D
SadBunnyNL 1 year ago
Luv your enthusiasm! Thanks for the sound design tips.
bobgatzen 1 year ago
I never thought I'd actually seriously say this without being ironic or otherwise joking, but...
There is so much love in your videos! :)
Great intel, albeit a tad above my head... See, I just bought a 400 euro FAME electro drumkit to be able to at least hit something that sounds like a drum for the first time in my life, and not any time soon will I be able to afford any more or practise on real drums... But looking at you makes me want to practise that thing. Thanks.
SadBunnyNL 1 year ago
Wow... thank you Sad for the fantastic message! Your last sentence is exactly why I spend the time & energy responding to drummers questions and stories.
bobgatzen 1 year ago
Bob sorry for bothering u again, I've to many doubts ,it just don't let me sleep lol. I was trying to match the pitches of the melodica on a keybord n i noticed that the Db on the 14" where in 3rd octave and 10" 1 octave higher, the 16" in Bb on 2nd octave all in a G minor key , am i right ? and if so, how to know which octave to use, and which key ? is G minor like the basic one ? If i don't use octaves i'll get a lower tuning ?
Greetings from Mexico bob, stop by any time please !!¡¡
betomex09 1 year ago
With drums, clarity in pitch is often difficult to recognize (hear) especially on the large diameter drums. You should hear a D" on the 16" and and 14" between E-G. If the 16 is @ D then the 12" can be tuned to an D an octave higher and vice versa for the 10" compared to the 14" an octave higher. The problem is... depending on the "condition" and inherent design of the drum can either produce a "clear" or "Cloudy" pitch. Hope this helps
bobgatzen 1 year ago
Love your videos sir!
mazzo99 1 year ago
Well thank you very much Alberto!
bobgatzen 1 year ago
i really dont tune my set with anthing, i just tune it to how i like it best
antonioaquila 1 year ago
Nothing wrong with that...If it sounds good to YOU...it's a good sound.
bobgatzen 1 year ago
NIce video
spparkie1 1 year ago
Thanks sparkie!
bobgatzen 1 year ago
its your preference and you're very good but, why do you reverse your toms and have a floor tom on each side?
CalTamaDrummer 1 year ago
I go back and forth. if you look at the black it the 14 & 16 are on the right side (traditional). I change set-ups around to keep things fresh... and challenging. This way I get more performance ideas
bobgatzen 1 year ago
forgot to say thanks...thank you!
bobgatzen 1 year ago
resonance man .. it's an addiction XD
you rock - very nice tips !
Shark5060 2 years ago
THANKS SHARK!!
bobgatzen 2 years ago
Bob, thankyou so much... but i have this problem that my toms sound great from behind the kit, but when i get in front of them the tone carries no where! I would really like your help. i have a pearl vision vx. the 10" tom is mounted on my crash stand. with an sst ec2 coated evans head on top and a hi-frequency aquarian on bottom (really thin head) can u help me? thanks again
Zimmy244 2 years ago
ok now i have a 10" rack and a 16" floor. i tuned them to a Dflat and wow, the resonance! But its way to low of a pitch, especially for the rack, but when i tune higher i loose all of the tone when i stand in front of the kit?
Zimmy244 2 years ago
Yes, this is very typical. In the world of sound design is called "Proximity"...the positioning of sound sources. There a 2 values that need to be considered. 1. Tuning the drums for the audience or 2. Tuning for yourself. My philosophy is "drummer first", then tweak as much as possible without sacrificing the SOUND and FEEL at the stick. It's a delicate balance. Just my 2-cents... you'll find many different opinions on this topic. Hope you find your comfort zone.
bobgatzen 2 years ago
I agree 100% percent. When playing a show the best thing to do is always tune the drums at the venue and as bob said find your comfort zone. One thing that i found is have someone whom knows your kit and have them walk to different areas while you play the kit. If it works well for you and the audience all the more better. Tuning drums is something over time just has to be mastered as bob stresses in his tuning lessons. Bob you rock man!!
TheMetaldrummer1987 2 years ago
Thanks for the support my friend
bobgatzen 2 years ago
we love you bob, but get a higher resolution too please.
cucuk666 2 years ago
Maybe on being a "duh" what you mean by higher resolution?
bobgatzen 2 years ago
hey bob, im learning guitar and bass, also i know a bit of keyboard, and I play flute (lol not sure if it is flaute or flute, hep you understand) if I only have the flute ... can i use that?
Kudan26 2 years ago
Multi instrumentalist... good for you! The flute's OK but it's best to use a "tempered" instrument that requires no tuning...like El Piano, synth,etc. If you have a iTouch you can download the "Pitch Pipe" app. It's the old fashion black, round pitch pipe that works great as a tuning reference for only $1.00!!
bobgatzen 2 years ago
No idea where the be came from !!!
fatdazday 2 years ago
Hi bob, just an idea, most drummers I would say own an I-pod right ? You can get apps for them ! I've found some keyboard apps and guitar tuner apps which I find useful to help with tonal tuning !!
Keep these brilliant videos coming !!
P.s why do I still need extra damping even though I've got some be ec2 sst's ? Is it just my lack of tuning skill ???
fatdazday 2 years ago
IPod apps... absolutely. I use the "Pitch Pipe" app all the time. Also, if you pick up a ?mic" for the touch there are tons of sound design apps available. One in particular is called "Audio Tools"
Try the EC-reso (resonant head) it shortens sustain by creating more focus. Best to test it on your 12" tom before buying a complete set.
bobgatzen 2 years ago
Hi Bob, greetings from Argentina!
Let me tell you that you are an awesome drummer and teacher! taught me so much stuff related to this musical instrument. You should visit Latin America (specially Argentina..jaja) and put up a clinic for us.
Take care man!
sachiokun 2 years ago
Big time thanks! I read your letter to my wife and asked her if you'd like to go to Argentina. She responded with..."we can hardly make it to Boston lol!
bobgatzen 2 years ago
This is the best drum advice I've ever gotten! Thanks so much Bob!
DrummersRock23 2 years ago
More on the way...I'm working on a DVD project and the plan is to share clips from it on YT. I'm excited!!....thank you!
bobgatzen 2 years ago
An alternative to a melodica would be a pitch pipe designed for a tympanist. It's cheap, portable, virtually indestructible and it gives the same pitches.
jgiercyk 2 years ago
Yes...true... a pitch pipe will work fine. The reason I suggest the Melodica, is that it's laid out like a "piano" keyboard where the drummer can play melodies and chords that will hopefully, lead to playing a secondary melodic instrument. A very important, beneficial move for drummers.
bobgatzen 2 years ago
Percussionists Bob, we are all percussionists :)
jgiercyk 2 years ago
Agreed, but I think of us as "Sound Designers"
bobgatzen 2 years ago
Does that throne recline? Does it come with a cup holder option? :)
jgiercyk 2 years ago
It's the DrumFrame... my dearest and favorite invention. You can check it out @ drumframe on line.
bobgatzen 2 years ago
Hey Bob, are ya tired of my questions yet??? thanks for the congrats earlier. I have yet another about "Painting the inner shells of my xp8s" I heard mixed stories on the matter, so I'm asking you. Apparently, Rogers painted their shells up to 1979(XP8) with a grey trunkpaint as they call it. I'm aware that xp8's should have a clear varnish, how can I tell if they did paint them, the wood appears to be just a natural color, I cant tell if it is varnished or unvarnished. Thanks,Mike
xp8maple 2 years ago
Can't which is best because sound is subjective. However, the formula is pretty simple. The harder, smoother (varnish) the finish will brighten the tone and vice versa, the natural wood or painted grey (Gretsch type) finish will create a "fatter" warmer tone by comparison. The differences in sound are subtle not day and night
bobgatzen 2 years ago
Hey Bob! gotta question about what I should do about my new ec2s(sst). I am going to be a father in about a week or less, my question is how can I prolong the life of ec2 SSTs if they will be sitting either on or off the shells mabye a year(until my daughter is old enough to tolorate the noise) Mike
xp8maple 2 years ago
Congratulations. One my close associates at Evans just had their second girl... he's elated and tired out big time!
Polyester film is a very tough, durable material. Just keep them up to pitch... they'll be waiting for ya
bobgatzen 2 years ago
hey bob
i have a quick question about tonal tuning.
how do you get a note out of your drums as you tune. i find that when i try, i can't quite get that A flat. when i tune my lugs to the same pitch, i can't get that note. how do i get the same pitch around each lug and still get a note
McYdys 2 years ago
There are 2 pitches to consider Overall Pitch, which is striking the drum while mounted to the kit and Specific pitch, muting one head and tuning the other to a specific pitch. O pitch and S pitches are almost always, "not the same". This is due to acoustical phenomena in regards to shell size & design (vibration), air movement inside the shell and drum head style. Often, the resultant pitch is approximately a 3rd from the specific pitch, For example, S=A > O=C above the A pitch or F# below.
bobgatzen 2 years ago
Thanks man. so if i am trying to get an A, should i tune the tom for S A, and if i was tuning on a mount, i should tune it C? or should i tune S a E so the O pitch would be A? thanks for the quick reply by the way
McYdys 2 years ago
O and S pitches can vary depending head choice and drum design (shell, suspension, etc). Unfortunately, it's not a perfect science so need to experiment. try tuning both heads to an and "A" then mount the drum and listen to the overall pitch. This way you will know whether the S pitches need to go up or down.
bobgatzen 2 years ago
thanks so much man. finally did it, works great now
McYdys 2 years ago
Luv success stories...keep em' coming!
bobgatzen 2 years ago
i just realized my comment is hard to understand. i want to tune my drums for overall pitch, so i tune the batter head into an A. i would like to find out how to tune my drums so the lugs are of equal tension, and can be an A. i know my drums can be an A because i can go lower and higher, and they sound fine. now the problem i am having is how do i tune my drums for an A and have equal tension across all of the lugs. i just simply can't do it
McYdys 2 years ago
Hey Bob, Just wanted to say how much you have inspired and helped me revive my Xp8's through your advise and tutorials.THANK YOU SIR! I have a question about the shells on my Rogers. I have got a great sound out of the kit (8x8-16,22x18) . The shells are wrapped as you may know and I have just purchased Gauger RIMS. Since I'm on a neverending pursuit of "resonance" would it help my thick shells resonate more,if I were to make rubber insolators for all the lugs? Thank you for your time Mike
xp8maple 2 years ago
Hey Bob, I forgot to mention that I have ec2's(clear) as the batters and all have ec-reso's on all toms. As I mentioned before the Gauger RIMS have made these babies explode in attack and feel. I've been quite busy modifying the tom mounts(kept the rogers solidarity) onto the RIMS away from the shell of course. Lets just say that my Dremel rotary tool has been getting a workout. Thank again.... MIke
xp8maple 2 years ago
Thanks a lot Mike!
The answer is no... quite the opposite. Isolating the tension casings "decreases" vibrational transfer to the shell. The only reason for plastic or rubber back plates is to protect the "finish" on the shell from the metal casing.
Think of the rubberized motor mounts on a car engine. The idea is to eliminate vibrational transfer to the chassis. With drums, we are seeking exactly the opposite affect, we want the shell to vibrate.
bobgatzen 2 years ago
Wow!.... I feel sheepish! Thanks for the answer though.
xp8maple 2 years ago
Oh please don't feel that way. I have a plethora of esoteric information that only drummers could appreciate. It's pretty weird!
bobgatzen 2 years ago
know whats the problem? in order to get your kit to sound properly you need alot of money to keep it new and shinny, know what i mean. The same with the guitar (i am a guitarist). when youre not a pro but you love playing and you love hi end gear, its really difficult to sponsor your passion. even if youre working a day job, its too much to spend like thousands of euros for amps, effects,guitars,basses, setups, kicks, skins, toms,cymbals, cables,strings. in general, quality gear is expensive
nemogre 2 years ago
Amen! can't agree more. We should start a foundation for dedicated, passionate musicians to to purchase the basics at wholesale prices by giving manufacturers free exposure, advertising.
bobgatzen 2 years ago
your drum tuning is awesome!! that would be kool if you could tune my tama rockstar!!
jacoboscar79 2 years ago
Thank you! Where do you live? lol!!!
bobgatzen 2 years ago
Awesome solo and a beautiful kit. Who is it made by I can't tell?
broses456 2 years ago
It's DrumWorkshop Birch shells. The Black/Red flamed kit is a maple shells. Good timing, Funny you mentioned this...I'm about shoot an A/B comparison video. Please stay tuned.
bobgatzen 2 years ago
you seem like a little man
jesusdapnk1 2 years ago
Not sure what you mean by little man, hope it's a positive!
bobgatzen 2 years ago
Is there a reason you have your higher rack tom to your right?
SixTHEscape 2 years ago
Every so often I switch sizes left to right or vice versa...makes me play differently...opening up new patterns across the kit. I do this with the 16 and 14" as well.
bobgatzen 2 years ago
bass drum sounds so good!!!!!!!!
Joeyrcbmx 2 years ago
Thanks Joey...with a little work and dedication you're can too
bobgatzen 2 years ago
Boom
peteski93 2 years ago 2
and i have the evans torke key and i used it for tuning my drums but i dont found the tension for my drums : s
alexdrummerander 2 years ago
The torque key will only get you into the "ballpark". The next best tuning aid is the "Drum Dial" but there is no substitute for ear training and the ability to sing pitches and pitch intervals.
bobgatzen 2 years ago
and i want more resonance on my drum kit so you can help me in that think to please??? give me some tips please : ) thanks man.
alexdrummerander 2 years ago
Best to check out the videos on "dynamic range". These are the vids that start in car and end up in the studio. Also, view the "Toms" vids. Please let me how it works out for you.
bobgatzen 2 years ago
hey man i have a mapex q series drum kit, that drums can help me in a masive event????? it have`s evans genera 2 clear batter drumheads and the resonant drumheads that i have its the original mapex drumheads (remo ux) made in china, so i dont know that my drums can help me and all my drums haves a growl sound the size of my drums are>>>> BD22x16,TT12x10,13X11, Floor tom 16x16. all the drum kit sound growl and i want a single sound in the toms except for the floor tom so you can help me??
alexdrummerander 2 years ago
Generally, the 13" tom is the most difficult to tune, very limited tuning range. Individual head pitches can vary quite a bit dependent upon heads, shell and means of suspension.
However, here are "Overall" pitches that might work for U.
13" between E-G
16" "C-D"
12" @ C octave higher than the 16"
14 snare A snare side, C batter
Please let us know how it works out
bobgatzen 2 years ago
It's that a ZHT crash and a ZXT ride?
I don't ussually see older cats with skill using budget-level cymbals. They sound good to your ears?
I have the 16" ZHT Med-Thin crash, the 14" rock hats, and the Rock ride, and I only really like the crash. The Ride is tone-less and I just don't enjoy it anymore, and the hats seem kind of bland and don't seem to open up that well.
deathnightboy 2 years ago
If it sounds good to YOU... it's a good sound. I don't pay attention to the $ value of cymbals... it's all about sound. Yes, the crash is a ZXT and the ride is custom made 19" Breakbeat.
I go back & forth between custom made 11" "Oriental" (flat bell) hats and 10" Oriental top/Heavy "A" bottom. I can understand how these sounds may sound foreign to you. Appreciate your honest opinion.
bobgatzen 2 years ago
thanks bob ,one more question were you in marching band as a kid
doublebass15 2 years ago
No, never got into marching band. However, I was in band & orchestra in early Ed. I made All-State & All-Eastern competitions when in high school. Success in musical achievements during that time certainly influenced me to take music seriously.
bobgatzen 2 years ago
o i'm in marching band it really helped me on the drum set i apply the things i learned in marching band and use them on my drum set like the different rudiments
doublebass15 2 years ago
I have a close friend who grew up on marching. His stick chops are on fire... incredible! He applies it to the drum set.
bobgatzen 2 years ago
there is a drummer thomas lang he was in marching band and he applies it to his set to
doublebass15 2 years ago
Yes, Good example. I've seen Thomas perform many times. Killer feet as well!
bobgatzen 2 years ago
yea he is fast i wonder how he does it
doublebass15 2 years ago
bob is it better to buy a pack of cheep drumsticks or to buy a expensive pair on sticks
doublebass15 2 years ago
I'm fanatical about "true" drum sticks so my take is, it's better to go to a music store and pick out good sticks than to order a dozen cheapies where you'll end up tossing 1/2 of em
bobgatzen 2 years ago
bob is it better to have the floor toms on either side of you or to have both on the right side
doublebass15 2 years ago
Personal choice. Depends largely on the way you phrase patterns (stickings) I go both ways but mainly left & right. I like to play off the hi-hat to the large tom. Right now I have 2 kits set-up one with the trad 14-16 righty and the other L&R. It's fun to switch back & forth... keeps your ideas fresh!
bobgatzen 2 years ago
It's personal preferance
punkrockrebel101 2 years ago
have you ever considered playing metal ? :O
Lonnie555666 2 years ago
Hmmm, not at this stage of my life. When I was young I played hard rock, huge kit, double bass drums etc. It was a great era!
bobgatzen 2 years ago
thats cool. :] i love drumming in general, but i always listened to heavy stuff with really catchy riffs, with blast beats and stuff, so thats what i ended up wanting to play, but ill prolly start playin some jazz and stuff..... :D
Lonnie555666 2 years ago
Diversity is good!
bobgatzen 2 years ago
yea !
Lonnie555666 2 years ago
Psychedelic man
rushistheawesomest 2 years ago
Wow...a flashback...I grew up in the 70's!
bobgatzen 2 years ago
its funny... resonance addiction. I remember when I was a kid and had a very cheap drum kit. the wrapped wood must have been luan or or somehting. they sounded SOOO terrible that to make them sound "decent" i had to muffle each drum. now that I finally have a professional MAPLE kit. it makes all the difference in the world. I dont muffle the drums at all. not even the bass drum and they sound absolutely AWESOME! make a video about the "ring" versus "tonal sustain" quality wood vs crappy wood.
zash008 2 years ago
Thanks for sharing that with us. Dynamic range... never get enough of it. I live for "Eargasms"
bobgatzen 2 years ago
Well, thanks for sharing that with me because I'm not that hard of a hitter. I also like my snare to be open and bright, so I will be looking for the 200 rather than a 300. Thank you sir!
TheColbles2009 2 years ago
You're very welcome. Let us know how it works out.
bobgatzen 2 years ago
Hey Bob, would you recommend an Evans Hazy 300, with a Evans JT Dry on batter?
TheColbles2009 2 years ago