He was no dramatic tenor and should never have touched a role like Manrico. If you want a real Manrico, listen to Tucker or McCracken. I am a singing teacher and I teach the technique of Richard Tucker. Visit my channel and contact me for more info.
@Baritanist I ve been collecting and listening to every voice of the last 2 centuries for 20 years...to take McCracken as a good example of singing is such crap that I cannot believe it....
He is one of the worst singers in terms of phrasing, I ve ever listened to....
by the way....being a teacher is not a proof of understanding The ARTE DEL CANTO...
@fabriou Collecting for 20 years does not mean to understand the art of singing either. Sorry, I know many deaf collectors. Collectors are armchair experts and know nothing about THE REAL THING.
For Manrico you need a BIG DRAMATIC VOICE. Gigli did not have that, he was PURE LYRIC.
@Baritanist I 'm not a fan of Gigli myself...not only for manrico...but to say that Mccracken was a good manrico means that you judges singers only from their capability of REACHING notes with a big voice.there are other ingredients:phrasing,goog RECITAR-CANTANDO, perfect italian diction. mccracken was crap.
Corelli was good(I don t like Corelli on the whole but for some roles he was suited), a wonderful manrico was Di Stefano (possibly as a teacher you won't like him but it doesn't matter).
@Baritanist speaking of "deaf" collectors.I ve met so many "teachers" in my life and you cannot imagine how many of them don't understand anything of music.I can accept if a beautiful and famous singer at the end of his career goes downt to teaching.but if somebody doesn't "make it"and protect themselves to teaching,it means that he is not an artist at all. In fact,as i told you,99 percent of teachers had better teach people in history or geography than singing.possibly this is your case
Oh yes, Gigli's C was there for sure. It didn't come easily for him, but it was a good note whenever he chose to use it. Not that having a C makes you a great tenor.
Celletti era partigiano del suo amore per le voci piccole e sovracute, i suoi scritti testimoniano una partigianeria per vocette più o meno intonate a scapito delle grandi voci che lui odiava, quindi non è un pinto valido di riferimento
You are talking about Rodolfo Celletti, the great singing theorique, and it is true that in the begining of his career Gigli was only able to sing up to Si bemol. He himself expressed that his debut in Martha was a disaster for that reason.
@TrovadorI'm not a fan of Gigli...I prefer very much more pertile, martinelli ...but I never trust Celletti. Celletti wanted to become a tenor...he didn't make it and he accontented himself to become a critic...he hated the idol-singers...because they had made it...and privileged small-voices ....everybody knows it...to quote the stupid Celletti is a stupid thing to do
Sorry but this trick is impossible, it's a stupidity because the voice to the listener result very distort! it's enough a quarter of tone to listen the difference, I'm a 78 rpm collector, I know this argument wery well. Gigli have a brillant C and that guy you say speakes only to move the air!
Whoa! If that is at the right speed, those are the real items, a couple of stellar high C's, at least according to my pitch pipe. Amazing! Gigli didn't do that very often! He tended to top out, especially in later years, at Bb. What a great tenor he was. Even now, he never ceases to amaze me. From the most lilting falsetto singing [which everyone loved] to something as ringingly operatic as this! The Great Gigli!
beautiful music
RolandfionaRuby123 2 months ago
Superb! TY WeicheWotan for posting.
paulostroff99 11 months ago
He was no dramatic tenor and should never have touched a role like Manrico. If you want a real Manrico, listen to Tucker or McCracken. I am a singing teacher and I teach the technique of Richard Tucker. Visit my channel and contact me for more info.
Baritanist 1 year ago
@Baritanist I ve been collecting and listening to every voice of the last 2 centuries for 20 years...to take McCracken as a good example of singing is such crap that I cannot believe it....
He is one of the worst singers in terms of phrasing, I ve ever listened to....
by the way....being a teacher is not a proof of understanding The ARTE DEL CANTO...
Sorry
fabriou 8 months ago
@fabriou Collecting for 20 years does not mean to understand the art of singing either. Sorry, I know many deaf collectors. Collectors are armchair experts and know nothing about THE REAL THING.
For Manrico you need a BIG DRAMATIC VOICE. Gigli did not have that, he was PURE LYRIC.
Baritanist 8 months ago
@Baritanist I 'm not a fan of Gigli myself...not only for manrico...but to say that Mccracken was a good manrico means that you judges singers only from their capability of REACHING notes with a big voice.there are other ingredients:phrasing,goog RECITAR-CANTANDO, perfect italian diction. mccracken was crap.
Corelli was good(I don t like Corelli on the whole but for some roles he was suited), a wonderful manrico was Di Stefano (possibly as a teacher you won't like him but it doesn't matter).
fabriou 8 months ago
@Baritanist speaking of "deaf" collectors.I ve met so many "teachers" in my life and you cannot imagine how many of them don't understand anything of music.I can accept if a beautiful and famous singer at the end of his career goes downt to teaching.but if somebody doesn't "make it"and protect themselves to teaching,it means that he is not an artist at all. In fact,as i told you,99 percent of teachers had better teach people in history or geography than singing.possibly this is your case
fabriou 8 months ago
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235binelli 2 years ago
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Gigli always had a C...such ignorant shit here on youtube, please check out my video on my page...
Webarton 2 years ago
Oh yes, Gigli's C was there for sure. It didn't come easily for him, but it was a good note whenever he chose to use it. Not that having a C makes you a great tenor.
GermanOperaSinger 3 years ago 4
100% True, Good Ear!
guglielmo64 2 years ago
Gigli always sang "Il Trovatore" in key, with high C in "Di quella pira" and also high C# at the and of the first act.
Listen to live recordings!
pippomelodrammatico 3 years ago 6
Celletti era partigiano del suo amore per le voci piccole e sovracute, i suoi scritti testimoniano una partigianeria per vocette più o meno intonate a scapito delle grandi voci che lui odiava, quindi non è un pinto valido di riferimento
neronnenn 3 years ago
trust me, Gigli had his high C's... Had a phenomenal bel canto technique. he definitely had High C's. Mio Deo!
angelovocci 3 years ago 7
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razzking 3 years ago
You are talking about Rodolfo Celletti, the great singing theorique, and it is true that in the begining of his career Gigli was only able to sing up to Si bemol. He himself expressed that his debut in Martha was a disaster for that reason.
TrovadorManrique 3 years ago
@TrovadorI'm not a fan of Gigli...I prefer very much more pertile, martinelli ...but I never trust Celletti. Celletti wanted to become a tenor...he didn't make it and he accontented himself to become a critic...he hated the idol-singers...because they had made it...and privileged small-voices ....everybody knows it...to quote the stupid Celletti is a stupid thing to do
fabriou 1 year ago
Sorry but this trick is impossible, it's a stupidity because the voice to the listener result very distort! it's enough a quarter of tone to listen the difference, I'm a 78 rpm collector, I know this argument wery well. Gigli have a brillant C and that guy you say speakes only to move the air!
uberto66 2 years ago
Whoa! If that is at the right speed, those are the real items, a couple of stellar high C's, at least according to my pitch pipe. Amazing! Gigli didn't do that very often! He tended to top out, especially in later years, at Bb. What a great tenor he was. Even now, he never ceases to amaze me. From the most lilting falsetto singing [which everyone loved] to something as ringingly operatic as this! The Great Gigli!
stefakamelpash 3 years ago 2