They Gave the last round to Pacquiao????? No way I would of gave a draw Really leaning towards Marquez i mean look at the punch stats they tell a different story Marquez had better accuracy and thew less punches and landed more Both are great fighters In order for marquez to take a victory home he will have to K.O. Pac because UD is bullshit
I think this fight was more of a draw than the first. Tough call, but I know for damn sure that manny didn't win the twelfth round. I think a draw is really the only safe call for a fight this close. Marquez landed more punches, but manny's punches generally did more damage. I'd definitely call this a draw.
man maybe manny didnt won the last round but he definetly won the fight jus check out the knockdown!!! an also he almost knock JMM down more than 5 times throughout the fight!! u can see dat JMM was off balance!! so tats y the pacman won the fight so quit sayin tat he lost dumbass ppl dnt noe shit
Marquez 7 rds to 5pac. Real close fight could have been a draw. But pac def did not win. I knew pac lifts his arms at the end of 1 and 2. Marquez vs pac 3 I def give to marquez pac did not raaise his hands, we know why. Anyhow good fights.
For people who keep on saying that Marquez was robbed, don't go after Howard Lederman or people who say Pacquiao won. Lederman wasn't hired by the NSAC to score fights at ringside.
The likes of Duane Ford, Tom Miller in Fight #2, Dave Moretti and Glenn Trowbridge in Fight #3 and John Stewart in Fight #1, the judges hired by the NSAC and scored it for Pacquiao in those three fights. Go after them.
Lederman! Once again just like the first fight everytime there is a nip and tuck round he gives it to Pacquiao. How can he give the first and last rounds to Pacquiao? You have these so called boxing experts, but you would get a more accurate score card if you let my Grandmother score the fight
Y los mexicanos siguen llorando... Claro que gano PacMan y se la di por 2 puntos. Acepten sus derrotas y se ven mejor hablando de la calidad del boxeador no criticando los juezes.
@Willo3G no importa de que pais eres, un boxeador de tu mierda pais no le uviera durado los 12 a pacquiao, no odies a los mexicanos que aunque ayan perdido (exepto moralez que le pego una arrastrisa a paqciao) son los que mas lo an danado, y mejores peleas an tenido con el, no odies a los mexicanos puta
They're crying and because they're going after Howard Lederman who is a HBO ringside judge and also put experts scores and experts say Marquez won and such where in actuality, the three judges who were hired by the Nevada State Athletic Commission to score fights at ringside have the final say.
Those people should go after them and file complaints to the NSAC, not Pacquiao nor Bob Arum.
pinche philipino hijo de su pinche mandre nos robo el sinturon !!
ya no ayaba como bofear a marquez i le metio un pinche cabesaso, cuando manny vio que le abrio arriva del ojo le tiraba mas en la erida para que se bofeara mas , hijo de su pinche madre :@ ...
@lesaj187: Wow, what a belligerent comment! There is No Need for Insults (Gayweather?) Mr. Mayweather is Good at what he does! When he said: they put 40 in front of me and 40 fell short, that is exactly, How i see it... Every One of them, had an opportunity to WIN but they failed to cease the opportunity.... but this is NOT about Mayweather, it's about Marquez, i STILL feel he WON this Fight!!!
@TheUnbelievable09 Look I know what ya saying.I too think he won the MAJORITY of the fight,JUST.However the knock down WAS the difference.It was close and could have gone either way.However,JMM won the LATEST fight,without a doubt.
A BOXER MUST KNOCK THE CHAMPION OUT, AND DONT JUST SCORING POINTS. LOL!!! A CHALLENGER MUST BE AGGRESSIVE AT ALL TIMES AND PROVE THAT HE DESERVES TO GET THE BELT.. A REAL CHAMPION CAN ATTACK AND JUST DONT COUNTER-PUNCH.... I THINK MARQUEZ SHOULD JOIN THE OLYMPICS, IN THAT WAY HE CAN WIN JUST BY SCORING POINTS.. LOL!!! ADMIT THAT MEXICANS!!! DONT HATE PACQUIAO JUST BECAUSE HE BEAT THE SHIT ALL OF THE MEXICAN BOXERS!!! LOL!!!!
i felt it was a draw and i am mexican by the way marquez had good shots and could have brought him down a couple of times but did not capitalize when he had to
Had Marquez followed it up with more blows and maybe knocked Pacquiao down once or twice, he could've had a much better argument in some of the close rounds.
yeah i felt that when he had opportunities to bring pacquiao down he didnt follow through with his combinations which could have helped his gameplan if not k.o him at least win some needed rounds but anyways he fought superb perhaps one of the few fighters who have giving pacquiao a run for his money
yeah i felt that when he had opportunities to bring pacquiao down he didnt follow through with his combinations which could have helped his gameplan if not k.o him at least win some needed rounds but anyways he fought superb perhaps one of the few fighters who have giving pacquiao a run for his money
Respond to this video... A BOXER MUST KNOCK THE CHAMPION OUT, AND DONT JUST SCORING POINTS. LOL!!! A CHALLENGER MUST BE AGGRESSIVE AT ALL TIMES AND PROVE THAT HE DESERVES TO GET THE BELT.. A REAL CHAMPION CAN ATTACK AND JUST DONT COUNTER-PUNCH.... I THINK MARQUEZ SHOULD JOIN THE OLYMPICS, IN THAT WAY HE CAN WIN JUST BY SCORING POINTS.. LOL!!! ADMIT THAT MEXICANS!!! DONT HATE PACQUIAO JUST BECAUSE HE BEAT THE SHIT ALL OF THE MEXICAN BOXERS!!! LOL!!!!
Marquez is a CHEATER! He steps on the foot of Pacquiao whenever he attacks so that Pacquiao can't get away! And he has the guts to claim he was robbed!
Demuestran otra vez que el boxeo esta manejado por pura mafia para hacer dinero junto con las televisoras, otra vez le roban ha ojos vistos la pelea a Marquez, pues si se la dan a Marquez no realizan la pelea que tienen entre Pacquiao y el moreno que es otra pelea millonaria, por mi parte no buelbo a pagar un solo centavo a esta bola de rateros para ver otra pelea de paga por que lo que estan haciendo es robar a la gente. Marquez demostro en el ring que fue mejor que Pacquiao.
1 knockdown is really a big deal during boxing, i dono what hes talking about that its not a big deal. at least maquez couldnt knock him out, so stop saying shit. they both good but clearly pacman won it
congratz Manny. and those who don't like that Manny is the winner.. will, you are not the judge....Marguez did his best but we should respect the decission of the judge...
congratz Manny. and those who don't like that Manny is the winner.. will, you are not the judge....Marguez did his best but we shouldrespect the decission of the judge...
I scored it 115-113 MP after watching the fight again and again, but every round was tight as a drum because both of them had arguments for late rallies, total punches landed, etc.
@joesakic91 I scored it 116-112 por Marquez, he landed the harder punches and imposed his style (which is to counterpunch with accuracy). Pacquiao was off balance time and time again, frustrated and desperately looking for the KO without hurting Marquez seriously at any moment in the fight. I relied on who landed the cleaner, harder shots to score the close rounds. Round 4 was Pacquiao's best round, round 5 was Marquez's best round.
@joesakic91 It was amazing to watch the powerful welter Pacquiao performing like the old, wild-left hand swinging feather Pacquiao. The boxer he became during his winning streak in welter weight division never showed up, the old, one dimension Pacman came back just to be outclassed, 8 rounds to 4 by JMM.
@joesakic91 That sounds reasonable. 11 or 13 rounds would leave little space to draws. But, majority decisions with controversy will continue to happen unless
1. There's a unified criteria to judge fights that end without a stoppage
2. Judges score the fight fairly, considering all the things there are to consider to give one fighter or the other the closer, competitive rounds in a fight like this.
A fourth fight will have a similar outcome, believe me. KO will not happen.
I think the three judges should have Compubox technology in their tables and add some modifications like time of coming forward, ring generalship coverage, etc.
@joesakic91 I honestly think Juan Manuel should either retire, or take down Roach's second most valuable prize at 140 - Amir Khan, and then retire as a four division champion. Leave all these wars with Pacman and the judges behind, for the health of everyone.
By the way, did you know that Amir Khan and other two Roach's fighters tweeted about Marquez being robbed???? Now, that's something.
Well, everyone has their take on the fight including Amir Khan.
Speaking of Khan, one of my fellow boxing gossipers say it is a bad matchup for JMM to take on Khan because he has a style that could make the Mexican look awful.
@joesakic91 All we can do is wait for Marquez's decision. He's considering retirement but he has also talked about fighting Pacquiao "on his terms", which might mean not fighting in Las Vegas, and choosing the judges carefully.
But, there's one more big thing to take account on, that makes me think there will not be a fourth fight: Floyd Mayweather Jr. He will always be a much more lucrative fight than Marquez, and he won't want to fight Pacquiao in any moment but this.
@joesakic91 He already talked about "wanting to fight in May of 2012". The rematch offered to JMM by Arum was mentioned to be scheduled for the 5th of May. If there's a Pacquiao that Floyd would want to fight, is this: crumps in his left leg, showed off by a counterpuncher, and his reputation as the p4p king in jeopardy after not being able to KO or even dominate Marquez.
I believe that the "superfight" is finally happening; to me, it doesn't look all that attractive anymore, though.
LO KE SEA PERO SABEMOS KE EL SABADO GANO MARKEZZ....PERO PAKIAO BALES MUCHOS MILLONES ES SOLO 32 ,Y PUEDE SEGUIR GENERANDO MILLONES,,EN KAMBIO MARKEZZ IS 38,,YA NO PUEDE MAS...
Come on peeps, the real winners are the fans who saw a great close trilogy that could've went either way even though the official record is Manny Pacquiao 2 wins, 0 losses for JMM and a draw.
This trilogy was as good as Muhammad Ali/Joe Frazier, Israel Vazquez/Rafael Marquez and Marco Antonio Barrera/Erik Morales.
@joesakic91 The problem is, after three amazing encounters between them, a stoppage is unlikely. This third fight was supposed to be the one in which Manny's power at welter weight and the lack of speed in Marquez's bulked body would result in a 6-8 round TKO victory for the Filipino. If they fight a fourth time, a fifth time or a tenth time, I'm affraid that the result every single time will be a terrific 12 round contest of will, skill, aggression and countering. Which is not bad!!!
@RatedRKingofKings i would like to believe marquez will be just as effective in a fifth fight.. but i think by that time age will play a bigger factor.. mind you i thought that this time and i was wrong.....
Marquez is now one of my highest respected fighters after what I just saw...
@FrawstiFreshPro 9 to 1 underdog, 38 years old, only his second fight at welter weight after being schooled by Floyd in his previous one. Against the p4p no. 1 in the world, a man who destroyed bigger superstars in the sport. Yes, he has my respect too. Bravo, Juan Manuel!
Manny deserved to win. The first fight he supposed to win because manny knocked marquez down 3 times. poor marquez but something wrong about judging that. He supposed to win. So proud of you manny marquez is a great boxer but he don't even knocked you down! woooohoooooo! marquez loser!
For all boxing fans who still dispute over the decision, I recommend you guys type Michael D. Sellers Dear Juan Manuel Marquez on your Yahoo! search, Bing or Google, click on the link and read the letter thoroughly. That's the best perspective for Dinamita.
Oh, and joesakic91, just in case, fighting the perfect fight, making no mistakes and outboxing the so-called "best in the world" does not have a thing to do with "leaving the fight in the hands of the judges". Marquez was robbed, MARQUEZ HAS BEAT PACQUIAO THREE TIMES.
Yes it does. You can keep saying Marquez was robbed three times until your head explodes and it still won't change the result.
Do you really know what the three judges at ringside hired by the NSAC are going to do? Pacquiao was the constant aggressor and maybe in the eyes of Byrd and Trowbridge, they don't like seeing a fighter keep backing up like Marquez did.
Had JMM added some aggression and landing more blows after landing a counter to show the judges that he's mixing up his game to go along with his counterpunching, the decision would've been different.
If I were you, go look at why Erik Morales is the only man to beat Manny Pacquiao on U.S. soil back in 2005 and you know what I mean by leading and countering to beat MP.
@joesakic91 Morales' proportion of given and taken punches in that night is similar to what Marquez did a couple of days ago: Manny landed more, went forward most of the time and he still lost because Erik connected the solid punches, hurt and frustrated Manny and sent him dissapointed and defeated to his corner. Just the exact thing that happened this saturday. Juan added some aggression by the way, he didn't just back up to counter. That's a big lie that pac fans are telling to themselves
That's not what Byrd and Trowbridge saw in the "championship rounds" Saturday. In their eyes JMM did the same thing that Joshua Clottey did in the later rounds against Miguel Cotto: he did came forward, but didn't throw enough.
In 2005, Morales threw back, chased Manny every inch of the ring after landing a counter including smothering him against the ropes and landed more shots to follow it up.
@joesakic91 I'm just pointing at the fact that, a unified way to score fights should be considered. Going forward and throwing more does not necessarily mean that you're ahead or even that you deserve the win, if the guy in front of you imposes his style and outboxes you all night long. And, as it has been proven to the boxing world by great Mexican champions Erik Morales and Juan Manuel Marquez, that may be the only way to defeat Manny Pacquiao.
@joesakic91 I believe that after what we saw saturday night, the way a fight is judged should be reconsidered. If the constant aggressor misses a lot of what he throws and the guy who is "backing up" is actually being more effective, countering and landing the best punches (YOU KNOW, THAT'S CALLED BOXING), then the aggressor or the guy who is coming forward is not necessarily winning the fight. Criteria used to judge this fight is inconsistent with the one used to judge their previous encounter.
From Michael D. Sellers: Being the aggressor almost always generates a higher punch output, and even if the punches aren’t completely clean, the judges reward the attacking style which, even if it doesn’t result in clean punches, does expose the aggressor to greater risk than his opponent–something that the judges evidently feel should be rewarded.
JMM's reliance on counterpunching, while it may produce cleaner landed shots, will always put himself at a disadvantage with judges in a close fight if he relies heavily on the counterpunching style and do not act as the aggressor.
@joesakic91 In that case, Floyd Mayweather's proffesional record would be of 20 wins and 20 losses maybe...? Countering, finding spots and boxing with skill are just as important things in the sport as "being an aggressor". Manny Pacquiao may be the most exciting fighter in the last 10 years, but boxing is and should be still boxing, including all the things that Pacquiao cannot give to this sport, the same things that should have been considered to award Marquez a well deserved victory
But the reason why I brought up the "never leave a close fight in the judges' hands" comment is that you never know where the judges will sway the fight.
You must keep fighting as if you are not ahead. You are the challenger; the underdog; and you are using a counterpunching style that puts you at a disadvantage with judges. JMM has to take some chances at some point to show the judges that he's mixing up his game being aggressive to go along with his counterpunching.
@joesakic91 I think it was pretty obvious that Marquez did just that: he accepted trading shots from the 9th to the 12th and he did better in those trades most of the times. He fought as good as you could ask, and in my eyes, the fact that he was the 9 to 1 underdog makes his efforts even greater, after months of hearing that he would be KOed by the middle stages of the fight. I know that the judges didn't look at it the same way, as they took the fight away from Marquez
@joesakic91 Marquez didn't give the fight away in the last two, as some people have said; he looked tired after the 10th, but come on, that's obvious: carrying his newly built 145 lb frame for 36 minutes against Manny Pacquiao, and the sense of hurry that increased in Pac's corner made the championship rounds look like Pacquiao got himself back in the fight down the stretch. Marquez didn't leave it in the hands of the jugdes, the judges took it away from him. There's a difference
But when there are rematches in combat sports whether it's in boxing or mixed martial arts fights, the statement of 'never leaving the fight in the hands of the judges or judges took it away' still exists and you have to learn your lesson of trying to finishing the fight and not worry about the judges.
Case in point look at Mauricio 'Shogun' Rua. He was robbed of the UFC Light Heavyweight title at UFC 104 despite battering Lyoto Machida and was screwed by the judges when Machida won by unanimous decision.
What did Shogun do in the rematch? He went for the finish and earned a TKO in the first round.
Same with Juan Diaz vs. Paulie Malignaggi. First fight: Diaz earned a 'Hometown' Decision. Second fight: Paulie scored a cut and knockdown won the second fight via UD.
BTW, the reason why Floyd is undefeated is that he mixes up his game on the fly. Just ask Ricky Hatton for example: Hatton came in, Floyd lands a counter, traps Hatton along the ropes, chases him all over the ring, scores a knockout.
@joesakic91 And the fact that Marquez landed the harder punches was not given the importance that it should've had. That omission is almost insulting if one thinks of the way Pacquiao has cemented his legend: punishing bigger and stronger guys, taking their best shots pretty well and coming through them. Marquez, a natural lightweight who came up to welter weight, stunned Pacquiao with his right hand as big, powerful guys like Cotto and Margarito have not done. Marquez's power was remarkable
@joesakic91 Again, the way a fight is judged should be reconsidered. The scorecard of Mr. Trowbridge was an insult to the sport. Manny's reputation as the pound for pound No. 1 in boxing is questionable not only because of the way Marquez outboxed and outsmarted him, but also because of that scorecard: as Nacho Beristain said after the fight: "This decision also hurts Manny Pacquiao, it is just that wrong and unfair". "You don't know what the judges are going to do" is admiting this as injustice
@joesakic91 And I ain't going after you, but since you last told me that the judges' decision can be based on aggression, and not in the number of punches landed, then these three judges did a very poor job. Specially Trowbridge, whose scorecard is a travesty. Now, I'm just chatting with you about boxing; not "going after you".
So, in this fight Filipino people defended Pacquiao's cause for landing the harder punches, despite Marquez landing MORE and at a higher percentage. Yesterday, it was Marquez who landed the solider punches, he shaked Pacquiao and he stunned him at least three times, while Pacquiao landed more but did not affect Marquez in any moment of the fight. And Filipinos say that "Pacquiao landed more punches, then he won, simple as that".
Prove that most Filipinos know shit about this sport. Scandalous
Well, don't go after me. Go after Adelaide Byrd and Glenn Trowbridge. They're the ones who scored it for Pacquiao and not Marquez.
Do you really know why Byrd and Trowbridge scored it for Pacquiao? Maybe in their eyes, they liked Pacquiao's aggression for all 12 rounds, landing more shots and did damage.
y esos se mide de la siguiente manera el que gana le dan 10 puntos y el que pierde el round 9 cuando lo tumban ya no son 9 sino 8 y si lo tumban dos veces en el mismo round solo le dan 7 puntos la pelea se decidió en el round 3 cuando Pacquiao tumbo a Márquez.
Esto son cosa Injusta pero el Deporte es asi………………
Buenas Noche No pude ver la pelea en vivo pero por los comentarios que leí pensé que era injusto que ganara Pacquiao sin embargo a ver los videos no es así porque las peleas profesionales no son de puntos como la de los juegos Olímpico en esta peleas hay que ganaras son los round
tienes razon markez tu fuistes el ganador Y K VIVA MEXICO y ese paquiao boooo no tiene verguenza yo k el mejor ni aiga suvido el sinturon woooo k jueses tan despotas
I watched this bout in Union City and when I heard Michael Buffer said, "And new..." I was the first one to yell to the top of my lungs in joy. And then, the other fans in the room had a delayed reaction on why I just yelled. Manny Pacquiao made history with that split decision win over Juan Manuel Marquez being the first Asian to win a world title in four different weight classes.
@joesakic91 and pac just made history, as 1 of the most overrated boxers of all time.
So pac won via robbery, THREE TIMES.
And this is the problem, now ALL WORLD know that pac is a fraud...
i mean, this fight, was closer but still marquez won...the third one?? hahaha a complete BOXING CLASS by marquez, now the champion is beggin to the challeenger for a rematch...hahaha pac just loose all his credibility
Those who defend Pac's cause, they argue that the knockdown was the difference in this fight, then how the THREE knockdowns in the first fight were not an even bigger difference? Marquez landed more power shots and total shots in this fight than in the first one, and he went to the canvas just once. That's nonsense. Find a better argument, that is useless.
With Roth and Ford scoring 115-112 for JMM and Pac, it all came down to Tom Miller's scorecard who had it 114-113 for Pacquiao.
Maybe, Miller liked both clashes of styles and both did damage to each other and had an even scorecard with the sole exception for the one point of the knockdown scored by Manny Pacquiao in Round 3.
In Miller's eyes, that knockdown just gave Manny a little more extra to get the decision.
So, that's why I bring up this 'never leave a close fight in the hands of the judges' argument: you don't know what those three judges at ringside are going to do once a close decision fight like this go the distance whether it's in boxing or MMA.
It also happened with Miguel Cotto vs. Joshua Clottey.
Pac man won this fight more clearly than the first. Even if you were generous for Marquez, he still was knocked down and that was the difference. Marquez was NOT robbed. Pac man will win the 3rd fight and Mexican fans will make more excuses.
Pac man won this fight more clearly than the first. Even if you were generous for Marquez, he still was knocked down and that was the difference. Marquez was NOT robbed.
i think pacquiao win the round12 b'cus of he's power punch sometime's the judge
base there score true the power of the shot not on how many landed yes marquez land many punch on pac but pacquiao laded most power shot punch so i give the credit to pacquiao on round12...but in other round very close so it's hard to say at least you watch the fight live......
btw, there is NO WAY that JMM won it 115-112. What fight was that judge watching? If he ruled it 114-113 Marquez, I would give him the benefit of the doubt
Im a Pacquiao fan, but I watched this fight again with a Marquez bias just to see if I can make him win. At the end of it I had JMM win with 114-113. BUT that's only because I had the JMM bias. There were 3 questionable rounds imo: round 1, 11 and 12; in all these rounds I gave it to JMM thus giving him the 114-113 win. But if you look at it really, Pac had at least won 1 of those 3 and if that were the case it would be the real result of Pac winning 114-113.
wow...I had Manny winning by 1pt. The knockdown definitely helped Manny. Doubt the next fight will be this close. Pacquiao is so much better now. In this fight Manny's footwork hasn't yet developed. Also, Manny's combinations now is so much better because of his improved right hand. But what do I know...Pacquiao/Marquez III is something to look forward to definitely.
Floyd Muscle Memory Mayweather if you listen to his interviews he talks of how much he loves his dad but also feared him for so long if he made any mistake in boxing his pops would slap the sh*t out of him; that instilled & honed Floyd Mayweather’s skill into effortlessly muscle memory that had yet to be seen in the history of boxing before Floyd entered the game. He was literally a baby boxer just about every male in his family was a boxer. PAQCRAP FANS PLZ SHUT YOUR GUTS! MANNY TAKE THE TEST!!
@jummacob I don't think so, actually Pacquiao knock him down in the 3rd, and hit him too.... I don't understand how the judge Jerry evaluated 115-112 for Marquez. He didn't see the knock down in the 3rd round or what? Marquez couldn't do that, nor in the first fight, where he got knocked down too, 3 times by the way in the first round.
Respond to this video... On the other hand next saturday Pacquiao is gonna get the crap out of Marquez, who is older, and is not showing out his best performance, Marquez's best time was when he fought Pacquiao the first fight; he did it well in the second one, but now Pacquiao is long way better than when those fight took place. Now Pacman has shown his best performance during last fights, I can not figure out a chance for Marquez, he lost well, he showed good quality too, but he lost.
it is very obvious that both fights Pacman won the fights. the first one 115-110 with that stupid 71 year judge supposed to be pacman not marquez favor.marquez got 12 low blows and no points deducted plush the 3rd round was manny not marquez....just because of biased judgement against asian fighters still new to boxing...boxing is always in favor of American black, white, mexican, and puerto rican fighters not asian fighter.Now Nonito donaire and Manny pacman stole that now they are mad..
They Gave the last round to Pacquiao????? No way I would of gave a draw Really leaning towards Marquez i mean look at the punch stats they tell a different story Marquez had better accuracy and thew less punches and landed more Both are great fighters In order for marquez to take a victory home he will have to K.O. Pac because UD is bullshit
yungmexonline 3 days ago
Jaja...Pacquiao gets booed every time he fights Marquez....Rightfully so.
Football12E 1 week ago
IN THE DECISION I SEE ON MANNY'S FACE:
"DAMM, I THINK I LOST , WELL MAYBE NEXT TIM.." WAIT A SECOND!!
AAAAAAAAA!!! AAAAAAHHHH!!! UUUUUUUHHHHH!!
leninocegueda11 1 week ago
without the knockdown JMM wins a close one
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My card =
Paq wins 1,3,4,7,9,10 (plus knockdown in 3rd) = 114
Marq wins 2,5,6,8,11,12= 113
deltabluesish 3 weeks ago
@deltabluesish I had the same card for this fight. I scored the others as draws.
lilc8908 4 days ago
On second thought, I'd have to give this fight to marquez. I'm a fan of pacquiao, but he didn't impress me that much this fight.
distantsalem 4 weeks ago
I think this fight was more of a draw than the first. Tough call, but I know for damn sure that manny didn't win the twelfth round. I think a draw is really the only safe call for a fight this close. Marquez landed more punches, but manny's punches generally did more damage. I'd definitely call this a draw.
distantsalem 4 weeks ago
@EskeletoHawk3000 hell no marquez got dropped like ntn an its either he`s not balance or pacquiao shook him!! Pacman won stop crying over it
tmlhh247 1 month ago
man maybe manny didnt won the last round but he definetly won the fight jus check out the knockdown!!! an also he almost knock JMM down more than 5 times throughout the fight!! u can see dat JMM was off balance!! so tats y the pacman won the fight so quit sayin tat he lost dumbass ppl dnt noe shit
tmlhh247 1 month ago
Even fight rounds 2-12.... Manny wins the fight because of round one.
de6430 1 month ago
4:17 look at marquez trainer.. epic face.. .
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So if jmm is ws the current titlev holder and this was close slight edge to marquez. Wht happen to u have to beat the champ to be the champ
88princessk 1 month ago
Marquez 7 rds to 5pac. Real close fight could have been a draw. But pac def did not win. I knew pac lifts his arms at the end of 1 and 2. Marquez vs pac 3 I def give to marquez pac did not raaise his hands, we know why. Anyhow good fights.
88princessk 1 month ago
Lederman and Steward pac nuthuggers.. retards.
Darmstijn 1 month ago
lederman? wtf? round 12 to manny are you stupid, did he even hit marquez in the 12?
willycrespo93 2 months ago 8
@willycrespo93 ledermans known to have fillipino dog porn on his computer and has a love of fillipino scat movies.
kingdaleclarke 4 weeks ago
I'm a Marquez fan but Pacquiao won both I and II barely. I had this 114-113 for Pac-man
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For people who keep on saying that Marquez was robbed, don't go after Howard Lederman or people who say Pacquiao won. Lederman wasn't hired by the NSAC to score fights at ringside.
The likes of Duane Ford, Tom Miller in Fight #2, Dave Moretti and Glenn Trowbridge in Fight #3 and John Stewart in Fight #1, the judges hired by the NSAC and scored it for Pacquiao in those three fights. Go after them.
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joesakic91 2 months ago
Lederman! Once again just like the first fight everytime there is a nip and tuck round he gives it to Pacquiao. How can he give the first and last rounds to Pacquiao? You have these so called boxing experts, but you would get a more accurate score card if you let my Grandmother score the fight
Scott1433 3 months ago
Y los mexicanos siguen llorando... Claro que gano PacMan y se la di por 2 puntos. Acepten sus derrotas y se ven mejor hablando de la calidad del boxeador no criticando los juezes.
Willo3G 3 months ago
@Willo3G no importa de que pais eres, un boxeador de tu mierda pais no le uviera durado los 12 a pacquiao, no odies a los mexicanos que aunque ayan perdido (exepto moralez que le pego una arrastrisa a paqciao) son los que mas lo an danado, y mejores peleas an tenido con el, no odies a los mexicanos puta
rugald009 3 months ago
Wat fight is lederman watchin 12th round to pacquaio....HOW???
LEDERMAN U WANKER!
101window 3 months ago
harold lederman is a joke
last round to pacquiao??? what the fuck is he watching????
either way i had it a draw 114-114
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AZNOUTLAWZ918 3 months ago
marquez won EVERY SINGLE FIGHT
artg1291 3 months ago
@artg1291
Well, tell that to the judges hired by the NSAC.
joesakic91 3 months ago
Pacquiao 114-113
TheRealGatorTears 3 months ago
@TheRealGatorTears good call bro scored the fight the same. 114-113. i dnt knw why people still crying about this.
rfanega 3 months ago
@rfanega
They're crying and because they're going after Howard Lederman who is a HBO ringside judge and also put experts scores and experts say Marquez won and such where in actuality, the three judges who were hired by the Nevada State Athletic Commission to score fights at ringside have the final say.
Those people should go after them and file complaints to the NSAC, not Pacquiao nor Bob Arum.
joesakic91 3 months ago
@TheRealGatorTears agree
carlitoboxing7 2 months ago
pinche philipino hijo de su pinche mandre nos robo el sinturon !!
ya no ayaba como bofear a marquez i le metio un pinche cabesaso, cuando manny vio que le abrio arriva del ojo le tiraba mas en la erida para que se bofeara mas , hijo de su pinche madre :@ ...
rapsone1 3 months ago
@lesaj187: Wow, what a belligerent comment! There is No Need for Insults (Gayweather?) Mr. Mayweather is Good at what he does! When he said: they put 40 in front of me and 40 fell short, that is exactly, How i see it... Every One of them, had an opportunity to WIN but they failed to cease the opportunity.... but this is NOT about Mayweather, it's about Marquez, i STILL feel he WON this Fight!!!
TheUnbelievable09 3 months ago
@TheUnbelievable09 Look I know what ya saying.I too think he won the MAJORITY of the fight,JUST.However the knock down WAS the difference.It was close and could have gone either way.However,JMM won the LATEST fight,without a doubt.
anthonyp43 3 months ago
le robaron a marquez...tenia k aver perdio pacquiao no se merecia ganar....
andresdaddyful 3 months ago
Marquez win
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pumasta145 3 months ago
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A BOXER MUST KNOCK THE CHAMPION OUT, AND DONT JUST SCORING POINTS. LOL!!! A CHALLENGER MUST BE AGGRESSIVE AT ALL TIMES AND PROVE THAT HE DESERVES TO GET THE BELT.. A REAL CHAMPION CAN ATTACK AND JUST DONT COUNTER-PUNCH.... I THINK MARQUEZ SHOULD JOIN THE OLYMPICS, IN THAT WAY HE CAN WIN JUST BY SCORING POINTS.. LOL!!! ADMIT THAT MEXICANS!!! DONT HATE PACQUIAO JUST BECAUSE HE BEAT THE SHIT ALL OF THE MEXICAN BOXERS!!! LOL!!!!
lesaj187 3 months ago
i felt it was a draw and i am mexican by the way marquez had good shots and could have brought him down a couple of times but did not capitalize when he had to
thegill666 3 months ago
@thegill666
Had Marquez followed it up with more blows and maybe knocked Pacquiao down once or twice, he could've had a much better argument in some of the close rounds.
joesakic91 3 months ago
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yeah i felt that when he had opportunities to bring pacquiao down he didnt follow through with his combinations which could have helped his gameplan if not k.o him at least win some needed rounds but anyways he fought superb perhaps one of the few fighters who have giving pacquiao a run for his money
thegill666 3 months ago
@thegill666
yeah i felt that when he had opportunities to bring pacquiao down he didnt follow through with his combinations which could have helped his gameplan if not k.o him at least win some needed rounds but anyways he fought superb perhaps one of the few fighters who have giving pacquiao a run for his money
thegill666 3 months ago
i felt it was a draw and i am mexican by the way marquez had good shots and could have brought him down a couple of times
thegill666 3 months ago
One More thing, the Announcer Larry Merchant or what every his name is should be retired...
TheUnbelievable09 3 months ago
Respond to this video... RESPECT TO THE ELDER, DISGRACE THE GAYWEATHER
lesaj187 3 months ago
@TheUnbelievable09 ..AGREE with annoucer thing!!!!lol
ppeachy86 3 months ago
Also Pacquiao should NOT fight Mayweather because Pacman is NOT at Mayweather's Level!
TheUnbelievable09 3 months ago
Respond to this video... A BOXER MUST KNOCK THE CHAMPION OUT, AND DONT JUST SCORING POINTS. LOL!!! A CHALLENGER MUST BE AGGRESSIVE AT ALL TIMES AND PROVE THAT HE DESERVES TO GET THE BELT.. A REAL CHAMPION CAN ATTACK AND JUST DONT COUNTER-PUNCH.... I THINK MARQUEZ SHOULD JOIN THE OLYMPICS, IN THAT WAY HE CAN WIN JUST BY SCORING POINTS.. LOL!!! ADMIT THAT MEXICANS!!! DONT HATE PACQUIAO JUST BECAUSE HE BEAT THE SHIT ALL OF THE MEXICAN BOXERS!!! LOL!!!!
lesaj187 3 months ago
Respond to this video... SO THATS WHY GAYWEATHER DONT WANT PACQUIAO?? LOL.. MANNY WENT UP IN 7 DIVISIONS.. FLOYD STAYS IN HIS COMFORT ZONE DIVISION..
FLOYD: OH NO!!! WHY IS PACMAN HERE IN MY DIVISION!!! NO WAY!! BLOOD TEST BLOOD TEST!!! OR ELSE I WILL RETIRE!!! LOL
lesaj187 3 months ago
Sorry, I disagree, Marquez won! Sorry....
TheUnbelievable09 3 months ago
If Pacman wants to reclaim his reputation.....he should stop being a part time boxer ....set your priorities, man
malorinovalee 3 months ago
una pelea mas que le roban a manuel marquez no es justo
luis96465 3 months ago
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Marquez is a CHEATER! He steps on the foot of Pacquiao whenever he attacks so that Pacquiao can't get away! And he has the guts to claim he was robbed!
jayarbabor 3 months ago
marquez stop the foot of manny pacquiao look the fight closer you will see that marquez always stop the foot of manny
watchpopoy 3 months ago
Demuestran otra vez que el boxeo esta manejado por pura mafia para hacer dinero junto con las televisoras, otra vez le roban ha ojos vistos la pelea a Marquez, pues si se la dan a Marquez no realizan la pelea que tienen entre Pacquiao y el moreno que es otra pelea millonaria, por mi parte no buelbo a pagar un solo centavo a esta bola de rateros para ver otra pelea de paga por que lo que estan haciendo es robar a la gente. Marquez demostro en el ring que fue mejor que Pacquiao.
ramoncano20 3 months ago
@ramoncano20 si pero hay que admitir que la pelea estuvo como de marvel vs capcom
zodomuchiha 3 months ago
1 knockdown is really a big deal during boxing, i dono what hes talking about that its not a big deal. at least maquez couldnt knock him out, so stop saying shit. they both good but clearly pacman won it
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congratz Manny. and those who don't like that Manny is the winner.. will, you are not the judge....Marguez did his best but we should respect the decission of the judge...
bcg9528 3 months ago
congratz Manny. and those who don't like that Manny is the winner.. will, you are not the judge....Marguez did his best but we shouldrespect the decission of the judge...
bcg9528 3 months ago
@bcg9528 116-112 for Pacquiao is not worth my respect or anyone else's.
RatedRKingofKings 3 months ago
@RatedRKingofKings
It's more like 114-114 draw and 115-113 either way.
joesakic91 3 months ago
@RatedRKingofKings
I scored it 115-113 MP after watching the fight again and again, but every round was tight as a drum because both of them had arguments for late rallies, total punches landed, etc.
joesakic91 3 months ago
@joesakic91 I scored it 116-112 por Marquez, he landed the harder punches and imposed his style (which is to counterpunch with accuracy). Pacquiao was off balance time and time again, frustrated and desperately looking for the KO without hurting Marquez seriously at any moment in the fight. I relied on who landed the cleaner, harder shots to score the close rounds. Round 4 was Pacquiao's best round, round 5 was Marquez's best round.
RatedRKingofKings 3 months ago
@joesakic91 It was amazing to watch the powerful welter Pacquiao performing like the old, wild-left hand swinging feather Pacquiao. The boxer he became during his winning streak in welter weight division never showed up, the old, one dimension Pacman came back just to be outclassed, 8 rounds to 4 by JMM.
RatedRKingofKings 3 months ago
@RatedRKingofKings
I think if there is a fourth fight, it will be as exciting as the first three, but there should be a knockout.
The judges already had a lot of heat of scoring these three fights.
I think boxing should go back to odd number rounds. Just in case if there is a draw, add a 13th round and that winner of that round wins the fight.
joesakic91 3 months ago
@joesakic91 That sounds reasonable. 11 or 13 rounds would leave little space to draws. But, majority decisions with controversy will continue to happen unless
1. There's a unified criteria to judge fights that end without a stoppage
2. Judges score the fight fairly, considering all the things there are to consider to give one fighter or the other the closer, competitive rounds in a fight like this.
A fourth fight will have a similar outcome, believe me. KO will not happen.
RatedRKingofKings 3 months ago
@RatedRKingofKings
I think the three judges should have Compubox technology in their tables and add some modifications like time of coming forward, ring generalship coverage, etc.
joesakic91 3 months ago
@RatedRKingofKings
For example, the UFC has a website called FightMetric that has detail stats including in-depth reports. Take a look at that.
joesakic91 3 months ago
@joesakic91 I honestly think Juan Manuel should either retire, or take down Roach's second most valuable prize at 140 - Amir Khan, and then retire as a four division champion. Leave all these wars with Pacman and the judges behind, for the health of everyone.
By the way, did you know that Amir Khan and other two Roach's fighters tweeted about Marquez being robbed???? Now, that's something.
RatedRKingofKings 3 months ago
@RatedRKingofKings
Well, everyone has their take on the fight including Amir Khan.
Speaking of Khan, one of my fellow boxing gossipers say it is a bad matchup for JMM to take on Khan because he has a style that could make the Mexican look awful.
joesakic91 3 months ago
@joesakic91 All we can do is wait for Marquez's decision. He's considering retirement but he has also talked about fighting Pacquiao "on his terms", which might mean not fighting in Las Vegas, and choosing the judges carefully.
But, there's one more big thing to take account on, that makes me think there will not be a fourth fight: Floyd Mayweather Jr. He will always be a much more lucrative fight than Marquez, and he won't want to fight Pacquiao in any moment but this.
RatedRKingofKings 3 months ago
@joesakic91 He already talked about "wanting to fight in May of 2012". The rematch offered to JMM by Arum was mentioned to be scheduled for the 5th of May. If there's a Pacquiao that Floyd would want to fight, is this: crumps in his left leg, showed off by a counterpuncher, and his reputation as the p4p king in jeopardy after not being able to KO or even dominate Marquez.
I believe that the "superfight" is finally happening; to me, it doesn't look all that attractive anymore, though.
RatedRKingofKings 3 months ago
eso fue un pinche robo descarado like si piensas lo mismo
tinguytil 3 months ago
LO KE SEA PERO SABEMOS KE EL SABADO GANO MARKEZZ....PERO PAKIAO BALES MUCHOS MILLONES ES SOLO 32 ,Y PUEDE SEGUIR GENERANDO MILLONES,,EN KAMBIO MARKEZZ IS 38,,YA NO PUEDE MAS...
1ELTIBURONN 3 months ago 2
bien hecho marquez,,,,,,,sabemos q te robaron la pelea bola de ojetes q chiguen a toda su puta madre
caguamo7 3 months ago
@caguamo7 es horrible marquez, no puede noquear a pacquiao ni aunque el filipino pelee sin la zurda
AxlRoseTatoo 3 months ago
Come on peeps, the real winners are the fans who saw a great close trilogy that could've went either way even though the official record is Manny Pacquiao 2 wins, 0 losses for JMM and a draw.
This trilogy was as good as Muhammad Ali/Joe Frazier, Israel Vazquez/Rafael Marquez and Marco Antonio Barrera/Erik Morales.
BroadwayBomber 3 months ago
If there is a fourth fight, let's hope there's a stoppage win from either man.
joesakic91 3 months ago
@joesakic91 The problem is, after three amazing encounters between them, a stoppage is unlikely. This third fight was supposed to be the one in which Manny's power at welter weight and the lack of speed in Marquez's bulked body would result in a 6-8 round TKO victory for the Filipino. If they fight a fourth time, a fifth time or a tenth time, I'm affraid that the result every single time will be a terrific 12 round contest of will, skill, aggression and countering. Which is not bad!!!
RatedRKingofKings 3 months ago
@RatedRKingofKings i would like to believe marquez will be just as effective in a fifth fight.. but i think by that time age will play a bigger factor.. mind you i thought that this time and i was wrong.....
Marquez is now one of my highest respected fighters after what I just saw...
FrawstiFreshPro 3 months ago
@FrawstiFreshPro 9 to 1 underdog, 38 years old, only his second fight at welter weight after being schooled by Floyd in his previous one. Against the p4p no. 1 in the world, a man who destroyed bigger superstars in the sport. Yes, he has my respect too. Bravo, Juan Manuel!
RatedRKingofKings 3 months ago
Manny deserved to win. The first fight he supposed to win because manny knocked marquez down 3 times. poor marquez but something wrong about judging that. He supposed to win. So proud of you manny marquez is a great boxer but he don't even knocked you down! woooohoooooo! marquez loser!
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joesakic91 3 months ago
i believe i can beat down both of these fighters. hands down.
flipmandem87 3 months ago
Oh, and joesakic91, just in case, fighting the perfect fight, making no mistakes and outboxing the so-called "best in the world" does not have a thing to do with "leaving the fight in the hands of the judges". Marquez was robbed, MARQUEZ HAS BEAT PACQUIAO THREE TIMES.
RatedRKingofKings 3 months ago
@RatedRKingofKings
Yes it does. You can keep saying Marquez was robbed three times until your head explodes and it still won't change the result.
Do you really know what the three judges at ringside hired by the NSAC are going to do? Pacquiao was the constant aggressor and maybe in the eyes of Byrd and Trowbridge, they don't like seeing a fighter keep backing up like Marquez did.
joesakic91 3 months ago
@RatedRKingofKings
Had JMM added some aggression and landing more blows after landing a counter to show the judges that he's mixing up his game to go along with his counterpunching, the decision would've been different.
If I were you, go look at why Erik Morales is the only man to beat Manny Pacquiao on U.S. soil back in 2005 and you know what I mean by leading and countering to beat MP.
joesakic91 3 months ago
@joesakic91 Morales' proportion of given and taken punches in that night is similar to what Marquez did a couple of days ago: Manny landed more, went forward most of the time and he still lost because Erik connected the solid punches, hurt and frustrated Manny and sent him dissapointed and defeated to his corner. Just the exact thing that happened this saturday. Juan added some aggression by the way, he didn't just back up to counter. That's a big lie that pac fans are telling to themselves
RatedRKingofKings 3 months ago
@RatedRKingofKings
That's not what Byrd and Trowbridge saw in the "championship rounds" Saturday. In their eyes JMM did the same thing that Joshua Clottey did in the later rounds against Miguel Cotto: he did came forward, but didn't throw enough.
In 2005, Morales threw back, chased Manny every inch of the ring after landing a counter including smothering him against the ropes and landed more shots to follow it up.
joesakic91 3 months ago
@joesakic91 I'm just pointing at the fact that, a unified way to score fights should be considered. Going forward and throwing more does not necessarily mean that you're ahead or even that you deserve the win, if the guy in front of you imposes his style and outboxes you all night long. And, as it has been proven to the boxing world by great Mexican champions Erik Morales and Juan Manuel Marquez, that may be the only way to defeat Manny Pacquiao.
RatedRKingofKings 3 months ago
@joesakic91 I believe that after what we saw saturday night, the way a fight is judged should be reconsidered. If the constant aggressor misses a lot of what he throws and the guy who is "backing up" is actually being more effective, countering and landing the best punches (YOU KNOW, THAT'S CALLED BOXING), then the aggressor or the guy who is coming forward is not necessarily winning the fight. Criteria used to judge this fight is inconsistent with the one used to judge their previous encounter.
RatedRKingofKings 3 months ago
@RatedRKingofKings
But not in the eyes of Byrd and Trowbridge.
From Michael D. Sellers: Being the aggressor almost always generates a higher punch output, and even if the punches aren’t completely clean, the judges reward the attacking style which, even if it doesn’t result in clean punches, does expose the aggressor to greater risk than his opponent–something that the judges evidently feel should be rewarded.
joesakic91 3 months ago
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(cont).
JMM's reliance on counterpunching, while it may produce cleaner landed shots, will always put himself at a disadvantage with judges in a close fight if he relies heavily on the counterpunching style and do not act as the aggressor.
joesakic91 3 months ago
@joesakic91 In that case, Floyd Mayweather's proffesional record would be of 20 wins and 20 losses maybe...? Countering, finding spots and boxing with skill are just as important things in the sport as "being an aggressor". Manny Pacquiao may be the most exciting fighter in the last 10 years, but boxing is and should be still boxing, including all the things that Pacquiao cannot give to this sport, the same things that should have been considered to award Marquez a well deserved victory
RatedRKingofKings 3 months ago
@RatedRKingofKings
But the reason why I brought up the "never leave a close fight in the judges' hands" comment is that you never know where the judges will sway the fight.
You must keep fighting as if you are not ahead. You are the challenger; the underdog; and you are using a counterpunching style that puts you at a disadvantage with judges. JMM has to take some chances at some point to show the judges that he's mixing up his game being aggressive to go along with his counterpunching.
joesakic91 3 months ago
@joesakic91 I think it was pretty obvious that Marquez did just that: he accepted trading shots from the 9th to the 12th and he did better in those trades most of the times. He fought as good as you could ask, and in my eyes, the fact that he was the 9 to 1 underdog makes his efforts even greater, after months of hearing that he would be KOed by the middle stages of the fight. I know that the judges didn't look at it the same way, as they took the fight away from Marquez
RatedRKingofKings 3 months ago
@joesakic91 Marquez didn't give the fight away in the last two, as some people have said; he looked tired after the 10th, but come on, that's obvious: carrying his newly built 145 lb frame for 36 minutes against Manny Pacquiao, and the sense of hurry that increased in Pac's corner made the championship rounds look like Pacquiao got himself back in the fight down the stretch. Marquez didn't leave it in the hands of the jugdes, the judges took it away from him. There's a difference
RatedRKingofKings 3 months ago
@RatedRKingofKings
But when there are rematches in combat sports whether it's in boxing or mixed martial arts fights, the statement of 'never leaving the fight in the hands of the judges or judges took it away' still exists and you have to learn your lesson of trying to finishing the fight and not worry about the judges.
(cont.)
joesakic91 3 months ago
@RatedRKingofKings
(cont.)
Case in point look at Mauricio 'Shogun' Rua. He was robbed of the UFC Light Heavyweight title at UFC 104 despite battering Lyoto Machida and was screwed by the judges when Machida won by unanimous decision.
What did Shogun do in the rematch? He went for the finish and earned a TKO in the first round.
Same with Juan Diaz vs. Paulie Malignaggi. First fight: Diaz earned a 'Hometown' Decision. Second fight: Paulie scored a cut and knockdown won the second fight via UD.
joesakic91 3 months ago
@RatedRKingofKings
BTW, the reason why Floyd is undefeated is that he mixes up his game on the fly. Just ask Ricky Hatton for example: Hatton came in, Floyd lands a counter, traps Hatton along the ropes, chases him all over the ring, scores a knockout.
joesakic91 3 months ago
@joesakic91 And the fact that Marquez landed the harder punches was not given the importance that it should've had. That omission is almost insulting if one thinks of the way Pacquiao has cemented his legend: punishing bigger and stronger guys, taking their best shots pretty well and coming through them. Marquez, a natural lightweight who came up to welter weight, stunned Pacquiao with his right hand as big, powerful guys like Cotto and Margarito have not done. Marquez's power was remarkable
RatedRKingofKings 3 months ago
@joesakic91 Again, the way a fight is judged should be reconsidered. The scorecard of Mr. Trowbridge was an insult to the sport. Manny's reputation as the pound for pound No. 1 in boxing is questionable not only because of the way Marquez outboxed and outsmarted him, but also because of that scorecard: as Nacho Beristain said after the fight: "This decision also hurts Manny Pacquiao, it is just that wrong and unfair". "You don't know what the judges are going to do" is admiting this as injustice
RatedRKingofKings 3 months ago
@joesakic91 And I ain't going after you, but since you last told me that the judges' decision can be based on aggression, and not in the number of punches landed, then these three judges did a very poor job. Specially Trowbridge, whose scorecard is a travesty. Now, I'm just chatting with you about boxing; not "going after you".
RatedRKingofKings 3 months ago
So, in this fight Filipino people defended Pacquiao's cause for landing the harder punches, despite Marquez landing MORE and at a higher percentage. Yesterday, it was Marquez who landed the solider punches, he shaked Pacquiao and he stunned him at least three times, while Pacquiao landed more but did not affect Marquez in any moment of the fight. And Filipinos say that "Pacquiao landed more punches, then he won, simple as that".
Prove that most Filipinos know shit about this sport. Scandalous
RatedRKingofKings 3 months ago
@RatedRKingofKings
Well, don't go after me. Go after Adelaide Byrd and Glenn Trowbridge. They're the ones who scored it for Pacquiao and not Marquez.
Do you really know why Byrd and Trowbridge scored it for Pacquiao? Maybe in their eyes, they liked Pacquiao's aggression for all 12 rounds, landing more shots and did damage.
You should ask them bubba.
joesakic91 3 months ago
y esos se mide de la siguiente manera el que gana le dan 10 puntos y el que pierde el round 9 cuando lo tumban ya no son 9 sino 8 y si lo tumban dos veces en el mismo round solo le dan 7 puntos la pelea se decidió en el round 3 cuando Pacquiao tumbo a Márquez.
Esto son cosa Injusta pero el Deporte es asi………………
nelson12816 3 months ago
Buenas Noche No pude ver la pelea en vivo pero por los comentarios que leí pensé que era injusto que ganara Pacquiao sin embargo a ver los videos no es así porque las peleas profesionales no son de puntos como la de los juegos Olímpico en esta peleas hay que ganaras son los round
nelson12816 3 months ago
how can you win when the other guy kicks your ass lol ??
nixdaduda11 3 months ago
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Manny Ratman Paquiao
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lococrush 3 months ago
Its a shame... they do not count how hard a punch is. J Marquez would have won then. Pacqiauo wins
Kanine86 3 months ago
tienes razon markez tu fuistes el ganador Y K VIVA MEXICO y ese paquiao boooo no tiene verguenza yo k el mejor ni aiga suvido el sinturon woooo k jueses tan despotas
jessy4666 3 months ago
great fighters,great fight...would have been a draw if it wasn't for the early knockdown..pacquiao wins!!
ThePissfoot 3 months ago
Man, you peeps arguing about decisions are idiots.
The real winners are the fans who saw a great, close trilogy in boxing between two hungry competitors.
FightingAddict37 3 months ago
don't blame the judges for the score, in my opinion that down made a big difference
SifyShing 3 months ago
Lederman is a fuckin' joke! hahaha!
capimex 3 months ago
@4:15 is how your rob a fight from a Mexican
capimex 3 months ago
I had Marquez winning by 1 point..... can't wait to see what happens tomorrow
jlcelrey101 3 months ago
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Way too close to call. That knockdown was the decision maker. Should be a classic to finish off the trilogy.
dodgerguy1981 3 months ago
I watched this bout in Union City and when I heard Michael Buffer said, "And new..." I was the first one to yell to the top of my lungs in joy. And then, the other fans in the room had a delayed reaction on why I just yelled. Manny Pacquiao made history with that split decision win over Juan Manuel Marquez being the first Asian to win a world title in four different weight classes.
joesakic91 3 months ago
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@joesakic91 and pac just made history, as 1 of the most overrated boxers of all time.
So pac won via robbery, THREE TIMES.
And this is the problem, now ALL WORLD know that pac is a fraud...
i mean, this fight, was closer but still marquez won...the third one?? hahaha a complete BOXING CLASS by marquez, now the champion is beggin to the challeenger for a rematch...hahaha pac just loose all his credibility
Aragorn522 2 months ago
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Those who defend Pac's cause, they argue that the knockdown was the difference in this fight, then how the THREE knockdowns in the first fight were not an even bigger difference? Marquez landed more power shots and total shots in this fight than in the first one, and he went to the canvas just once. That's nonsense. Find a better argument, that is useless.
RatedRKingofKings 3 months ago
@RatedRKingofKings
Um, do you really know what the three judges are going to do once a close fight like this go the distance?
We really don't know why Jerry Roth scored it 115-112 for Juan Manuel Marquez. Maybe, Roth liked JMM's counterpunching and damage with his punches.
We really don't know why Duane Ford scored it 115-112 for Manny Pacquiao. Maybe, Ford liked Pacquiao's aggression and damage with his punches.
(cont.)
joesakic91 3 months ago 2
@RatedRKingofKings
(cont.)
With Roth and Ford scoring 115-112 for JMM and Pac, it all came down to Tom Miller's scorecard who had it 114-113 for Pacquiao.
Maybe, Miller liked both clashes of styles and both did damage to each other and had an even scorecard with the sole exception for the one point of the knockdown scored by Manny Pacquiao in Round 3.
In Miller's eyes, that knockdown just gave Manny a little more extra to get the decision.
joesakic91 3 months ago
@RatedRKingofKings
So, that's why I bring up this 'never leave a close fight in the hands of the judges' argument: you don't know what those three judges at ringside are going to do once a close decision fight like this go the distance whether it's in boxing or MMA.
It also happened with Miguel Cotto vs. Joshua Clottey.
joesakic91 3 months ago 3
I agree the knock down..made a different in the dicison.
4u250ut 3 months ago
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Manny Pacquiao was winning 115 pts and Juan Manuel Márquez was losing 112 pts.
DYSHERNANDEZ 3 months ago
Great fight either way you score it. Cant wait for this weekend!!
antsant89 3 months ago
I have it 115-112 for Pacquiao. I scored it the same way Lederman did through 10. I saw the 11th for Pacquiao and the 12th for Marquez.
antsant89 3 months ago
I had the fight 114-113 for Marquez
numberonejawsfan 3 months ago
marquez won the last round i saw the fight even, cause pac have a knock down if not marquez won thart fight
abnerk56 3 months ago
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paquiao didnt deserve to win
tigreHHH 3 months ago
u can see this 10000000 times and u wiil see same thing all the time primo wake up!!!!!
azurro9999 3 months ago
Pac man won this fight more clearly than the first. Even if you were generous for Marquez, he still was knocked down and that was the difference. Marquez was NOT robbed. Pac man will win the 3rd fight and Mexican fans will make more excuses.
gelgamack 3 months ago
@gelgamack You don't have idea about boxing
galvatron96 3 months ago
Pac man won this fight more clearly than the first. Even if you were generous for Marquez, he still was knocked down and that was the difference. Marquez was NOT robbed.
gelgamack 3 months ago
I completely agree Ledermen's score card Pac won this fight not by much but he won
jnapoli07 3 months ago
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i think pacquiao win the round12 b'cus of he's power punch sometime's the judge
base there score true the power of the shot not on how many landed yes marquez land many punch on pac but pacquiao laded most power shot punch so i give the credit to pacquiao on round12...but in other round very close so it's hard to say at least you watch the fight live......
branoUn01 3 months ago
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branoUn01 3 months ago
this was a draw
Fmancillaz 3 months ago
can you spell HE W-I-N-S
blnaco 3 months ago
can you spell R-O-B-B-E-R-Y ?
divinesense 3 months ago
we will see what happens when pacman finishes him this 3rd time around.
steryle1 3 months ago
i think the mexican marquez won this fight!!!!
chilechueco 3 months ago
this was for Marquez
opethgarzaMD 3 months ago
btw, there is NO WAY that JMM won it 115-112. What fight was that judge watching? If he ruled it 114-113 Marquez, I would give him the benefit of the doubt
rva04 3 months ago
Im a Pacquiao fan, but I watched this fight again with a Marquez bias just to see if I can make him win. At the end of it I had JMM win with 114-113. BUT that's only because I had the JMM bias. There were 3 questionable rounds imo: round 1, 11 and 12; in all these rounds I gave it to JMM thus giving him the 114-113 win. But if you look at it really, Pac had at least won 1 of those 3 and if that were the case it would be the real result of Pac winning 114-113.
rva04 3 months ago
wow...I had Manny winning by 1pt. The knockdown definitely helped Manny. Doubt the next fight will be this close. Pacquiao is so much better now. In this fight Manny's footwork hasn't yet developed. Also, Manny's combinations now is so much better because of his improved right hand. But what do I know...Pacquiao/Marquez III is something to look forward to definitely.
slyguy807 3 months ago
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switch3point 3 months ago
LOOOL these pactards are hilarious. marquez won this fight easily
jummacob 3 months ago
@jummacob I don't think so, actually Pacquiao knock him down in the 3rd, and hit him too.... I don't understand how the judge Jerry evaluated 115-112 for Marquez. He didn't see the knock down in the 3rd round or what? Marquez couldn't do that, nor in the first fight, where he got knocked down too, 3 times by the way in the first round.
yossuedcuba 3 months ago
Respond to this video... On the other hand next saturday Pacquiao is gonna get the crap out of Marquez, who is older, and is not showing out his best performance, Marquez's best time was when he fought Pacquiao the first fight; he did it well in the second one, but now Pacquiao is long way better than when those fight took place. Now Pacman has shown his best performance during last fights, I can not figure out a chance for Marquez, he lost well, he showed good quality too, but he lost.
yossuedcuba 3 months ago
I had Pac Man winning there first fight as I recall by a round or 2 But for this one I Scored it 116-115 for JM Marquez
gwobel37 3 months ago
it is very obvious that both fights Pacman won the fights. the first one 115-110 with that stupid 71 year judge supposed to be pacman not marquez favor.marquez got 12 low blows and no points deducted plush the 3rd round was manny not marquez....just because of biased judgement against asian fighters still new to boxing...boxing is always in favor of American black, white, mexican, and puerto rican fighters not asian fighter.Now Nonito donaire and Manny pacman stole that now they are mad..
keidrian143 3 months ago
marquez won this fight
karlitozdiez 3 months ago