"Step 3 of AA" by Father Joseph C. Martin

[alcoholismrecovery]

im an alcoholic and im 21 : (

[IIIIlllllll]

if ppl turned their will over to god more often they would be alot less alcoholism

[ndrthrdr1]

SMARTRecovery is far better than AA, and you don't have to associate with delusional religious nuts

They say it's spiritual, not religious.

Actually they talk about God for an hour, then hold hands and quote the Bible (Lord's Prayer). AA is a faith healing cult, and faith healing doesn't work.

That's why hardly anyone stays in AA.

[GONZO66656]

@ndrthrdr1

Faith healing is CBT - pure and simple...

Altering one's belief system to change patterns in cognition, emotions, and behaviours...

And SMART Recovery is EXPLICITLY a Cognitive Behavioural Therapeutic approach...

SMART and AA are both faith healing - whether they offer the pretence of rationalism or not…

Tell me, if one goes to SMART, and believes with every fibre in their body that it won't work, what do you think the chances are that it will work?

[ndrthrdr1]

@GONZO66656 The only connection between religious faith healing, which doesn't work at all, and CBT is your delusion that there is a connection.

There's no shortage of delusional thinking in religion. Belief in an invisible, magical friend is not recovery - it's just switching one kind of dependence for another.

[GONZO66656]

@ndrthrdr1

SMART works one way - and one way only.

You are habituated, reinforced, and socialized out of drinking (theoretically and hopefully).

You are "learn" to think that the locus of recovery is in a "technique" (CBT) that builds a more resilient "SELF". (In reality, neither exist.)

Just like the brainwashing in AA.

No longitudinal research on efficacy or quality of "recovery".

Just like the untested, propagandist AA "approach".

Chump, you've been sold snake oil - TWICE!!!

[ndrthrdr1]

@GONZO66656 never bought the AA snake oil, and SMART works for me and several friends in the groups I've attended because we use it as a support group without the religious nonsense.

We don't "learn" to think that the locus of recovery is in a "technique" (CBT) that builds a more resilient "SELF". We just talk about real-world problems and how we have learned to handle them more effectively.

You only display your ignorance by stating that I bought AA religion and now blindly follow CBT.

[GONZO66656]

@ndrthrdr1

"I bought AA religion and now blindly follow CBT."

You certainly did... Glad to hear some honesty and rationality...

There are NO longitudinal efficacy studies in SMART - just like AA.

You think that belief in untested pop psyche mumbo-jumbo is somehow different from belief in god. It's not. It's still a belief in myth.

You've bought into a brainwashing cult that provides faith healing...

Your an ignorant, indoctrinated chump...

[GONZO66656]

@ndrthrdr1

"Oh, one more thing - you are too damned stupid to argue with. I'll let your pathetic comments speak for themselves, drunken kangaroo-fucker"

Now you post childish abuse and then remove your comments like a coward?

Too damned stupid to argue with?

Fella, I've absolutely wiped the floor with you... You didn't score a point... Not one valid point...

The AA boys make you look like a intellectual cripple.

WHAT A LIGHTWEIGHT!!!

Good luck with your mind crippling cult...

[GONZO66656]

@ndrthrdr1

Childish abuse is the last bastion of an intellectual cripple who is cornered, desperate and WAY out of his intellectual league.

And that's all you've got - childish abuse that you remove like the intellectual coward that you are.

I put you on par with the AA cult devotees. But I stand corrected. You are far worse off. AAs are intellectual giants compared to you.

Good luck with your fairytale psycho-mumbo-jumbo.

Maybe SMART will get you in touch with your inner retard?

[GONZO66656]

@ndrthrdr1

"You're a homo, aren't you?"

That's it?

It's been a pleasure to show you up as the indoctrinated, monosyllabic moron that you are...

You really let the "rational recovery" team down didn't you?

But hey! Thanks for the giggle!

*snigger*

[GONZO66656]

@ndrthrdr1

By the way...

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You're an intellectual cripple of the first degree...

*chuckle*

[GONZO66656]

@ndrthrdr1

"I'm not in Rational Recovery"

Duuuuhhhh!!!

Did you notice that I put "rational recovery" in quotation marks?

Did you notice that I didn't use capitals in "rational recovery"?

A normal intellect would realise that:

1) The quotation marks meant word is not used in its usual sense, and

2) The non use of capitals means that the term is being used in the generic sense of THE PARADIGM OF RATIONAL RECOVERY.

I know, I know... It a bit too much information for you isn't it?

[omoibiIe]

@ndrthrdr1

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GONZO is right!

Your a fucking coward and a retard...

Gonzo REALLY took you to the cleaners...

How did he put it?

You never "scored a point".

*snigger*

[ndrthrdr1]

@omoibiIe Gonzo is an 18-year-old punk. What are you - 12?

I hope you two are very happy together.

[omoibiIe]

@ndrthrdr1

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Ya got OWNED darling...

[shootlady357]

@omoibiIe own this whore!

[GONZO66656]

@shootlady357

LET ME JUMP BETWEEN YOUR FUCKEN MASSIVE MEAT TORPEDOES!!!

COR!!!

BLUBBERY!!! BLUBBERY!!! BLUBBERY!!!

BLUBBERY!!! BLUBBERY!!! BLUBBERY!!!

PHWWWOOOOAAAAARRRRRR!!!!!

[GONZO66656]

@ndrthrdr1

I'll give you this much...

YOU'VE GOT FUCKEN BIG TITS!!!

Let me put my head between those gigantic jubblies and go...

BLUBBERY!!! BLUBBERY!!! BLUBBERY!!!

BLUBBERY!!! BLUBBERY!!! BLUBBERY!!!

[ndrthrdr1]

@GONZO66656 Sorry, but I'm not gay (or fat).

However, it's good that you can be so open about your homosexuality. You people have come so far in your struggle for public acceptance.

[omoibiIe]

@ndrthrdr1

"Sorry, but I'm not gay (or fat)"

BUT YOU'VE GOT FUCKEN BIG TITS!!!

YOU KNOW!!! THOSE BIG FUCKEN BOLONEY TITTIES!!!

LET ME PUT MY HEAD BETWEEN THEM MEAT PILLOWS AND GO

BLUBBERY!!! BLUBBERY!!! BLUBBERY!!!

BLUBBERY!!! BLUBBERY!!! BLUBBERY!!!

JUST LIKE GONZO DOES!!!

PHWWWOOOOOAAAAAARRRRRRR!!!!!!!

[shootlady357]

@omoibiIe OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE A SINGLE GAY LOSER! no female would want you....

[GONZO66656]

@ndrthrdr1

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[GONZO66656]

@ndrthrdr1

Another removed comment!

A gutless coward and a knuckle-dragger!

A very unflattering combination....

But I am curious, how does that peanut sized brain of yours generate enough energy to keep your fat retard fingers tapping on that keyboard?

[GONZO66656]

@ndrthrdr1

Go on coward let's see another hit and run comment...

What a lightweight coward!!!

[GONZO66656]

@ndrthrdr1

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[GONZO66656]

@ndrthrdr1

What... Are you spamming me because you don't like my comments?

Now where have I seen THAT censorship behaviour before?

THAT'S RIGHT!!!

Indoctrinated, brain-dead, 12 step zombies do that!!!

Give a dog a bone... Give a nutcase an ideology...

And they cling to it like shit to a blanket...

Have fun in your brain-dead, indoctrinating cult...

You're no better than those that you critique...

[carol01ctt]

We can,and we have,argued the existance of God. For me it comes down to one thing. And you can agree and you can disagree.

God either is or he is not. Therefore, God is everything or God is nothing.

And we, each and every one of us have the the choice to make up our own minds.

[bajts1]

god is a non-existent factor. and the best way to overcome the problems of addiction is forget the non-existent

[AschersOil]

Receive Jesus, study your Bible

[ClintTrinity]

and like all other people of faith, he says you may be "terrified" or afraid of god. people who believe in their conception of god don't understand the disbelief in God. AA only truly acknowledges "agnostics" and those who are either trying to run from, prove something to, be indifferent towards, or hate or are afraid of a "god". what about those who do not at all accept anything supernatural whatsoever... the real atheist. the one who cannot abandon his UNDERSTANDING for factless faith?

[MrTobytwirl]

I didn't hear the phrase "turn it over" all my life, as this man suggests. The ONLY place I ever heard it was in the roomzz of aa. It sounded like baloney then and it still does.

[pianoscotskenny]

Im often asked in AA "how do i know im turning my will and life over".its really simple. As this video demonstrates,my "decision" to do so is proven to "myself" by following through on steps 4 through to 12.By following through on my decision...and by taking the remaining steps 4 to 12, im demonstrating my newly aquired understanding that "faith without works is dead" as the BB tells us. Step 2 is found in the BB p 44-57. Step 3 p60-63 The 12x12 offers further insights.Step 2 p25-34 Step3 p35-42

[pianoscotskenny]

This video shows AAs true position well. We dont need to consider anothers view of God.in fact we dont need to believe at all. BB p46 & 47 explains this fully. All thats needed is a "willingness" to believe upon which we begin to get results.As for what step 3 asks, by handing over our "will &our lives"..the serenity prayer compliments this video. Some things need "letting go of & handing over".Some things i can change,but require courage & often..i need guidance of wisdom to know which is which

[MrKieron68]

Only close minded people are nutters. AA obviously works especially if it's worked properly from their original basic text book. Today's watered down versions of the older style groups is what is proven not to work. So many people try to be 'recovered' without doing the work properly. Father Martin clearly said, by using or living by the principles found in the 12 steps in your daily life is the way of recovering. Simple.

[kevphillips02]

farter martin is a nutter

[HuckeysWorld]

thank you...finally for 1:34 to 1:45 i have been trying to say this to many people

[kc1964kc]

"what works" is the heart of this video and the whole AA "program" is a lie argument. there is not on shred of evidence (EVIDENCE) other than testimonials that it is in fact the steps which make a difference in anyones life. In fact there's A LOT OF EVIDENCE disputing those testimonials. In FACT there are surveys which say AA hurts one chances of surviving the addiction. AA as applied in reality is a lie, my experience. AA mtgs are led by non-professional profess to know how to recover.

[squirttilithurts]

I want to increase the dopamine in my brain. I also do cardio so endorphins are released. I little serotonin boost would be great also :)

Alcohol sucks... other chemicals are so much better :)

[ChuckInOregon]

I've been sober through AA for 21+ years. During 3-1/2 years of the last decade I lived in an FSU country where the orthodoxy maintains that AA is, indeed, a cult AND that there is no such thing as alcoholism. I must "accept the things I cannot change" and that's one of them. OTOH, I am alive solely because of the gift of sobriety I received in AA. Call it a cult if you will but the priest doing this video knows what he's talking about. AA is where alcoholics like me recover.

[hpmc9]

it's a cult

[bonabrown]

why is that necessary to say. it is what it is...but it saves lives. either step in or step out of the way. best wishes

[squirttilithurts]

I just want to increase dopamine by any means possible...

[Change012409]

A very uplifting and enlightening talk on Step 3. Thanks to you Fr. Martin and may your soul rest in peace as you reap the rewards of your holy life.

[FormerADTMan]

@Change012409 His rewards will not come from his holy life but from his relationship with Jesus Christ