I love how these nurses hit the streets in protest when they realize their work load is getting heavier, but when ObamaCare was pushed through they sat there calling people "Teabaggers". I guess they thought there was a big meal ticked coming? Guess what, you chose Marxism, which preys on people like you, and dinner is served.
YOU are the main course.
If health care is a right, than the collective has a RIGHT to your labor. Perhaps Al Frankin will save you, and bring home some plunder?
@kmarinas86 "these nurses need to be rounded up and forced to work for free for a year or be exterminated."
If SEIU wants to argue that health care is a right, than they're handing their labors over to us. We now own their labor, and they need to get used to it! The Doctors too.
If the "greater good" is served by fewer nurses, and smaller paychecks, that's what needs to happen. There's no sense being ashamed about declaring them as our slaves. They wanted this.
Spam? What's the matter? Are you marking me as spam because the truth is too much too handle? You chose Marxism! You've been exploited by men so much smarter than you that your only option when faced with the truth is to "hit the spam button".
I've been fighting for you, and beside you for years. You've now eaten the carrot. Prepare for the whip. You have no idea what you're facing.
doctors get paid a lot because their highly intelligent and skilled and spend 100's of thousands on many years of schooling, nurses get paid enough, probably more than enough.
@chizzy555 Nurses don't nearly get paid what they should and Doctors at times make WAY more than they should in comparison. How do I know? My wife's a nurse.
@CaptBart there is definitely worse overpaid workers though, specially unionized ones, no education or skill and making 20-30 an hour.. noone should be gettin that much with no education or skill unless they are doing an extremely grimey job
It seems that we are unhealthy in part because we are too unhealthy to FORCE the food companies to increase the quality of consumer food products using "consumer demand" alone. Rather than fantasizing that power of buyer decisions (whether in a free market or not) can force healthy foods to grab 90% of the market (NOT POSSIBLE), it must be enforced by laws via executive government. As this problem grows in the future, the complaints of nurses will become larger and more and more justified.
Yeh those asshole ceos aren't taken any less pay - they are not loosing any benefits - hell their bonuses are bigger than ever FUCK CEOS BUST THEIR DAMN ASSSES DOWN
I was involved with a nurses strike in Vegas a few years ago. The entire episode left a bad taste in my mouth, both because of the hospital AND the union.
I will never join a nurses union again. They do not care about patients. It's all about money. That said, the hospital was just as bad. Bleh.
These nurses need to understand something. Health care is now considered a "right", so that means others have a right to their labor. They're now our slaves, so they need to just wipe any ass that's put in front of them....
When people can join unions willingly or stay out of a union with no repercussions things work out fine. If a company is that unreasonable, a solid majority will form and cripple them.
When a union is mandatory or there threats of force to non union members from union members thats a bad a situation as any against them from the company itself. It should be just as illegal.
Comments like this are another side effect of Marxism. In Marxism you are taught to look at your neighbor as your next source of plunder. You're taught that it's okay to steal from your neighbor for the greater good. It leads to a form of self hate and loathing that extends to all people.
I don't watch FAUX NEWS. Unlike yours, my opinions don't come from a glowing box in my living room. I'm an independent, and you should have listened.
@FreedomsReigning - Marxists obviously don't believe in freedom of speech either! :)
What's funny is that most people don't realize the history - ie, Mussolini was a "leftist" Marxist Fascist. Yes, Fascism exists with government, period - not just the right or the left. It originated with the left and has consumed the right. Luckily there are a lot of defectors from both sides and growing. Time to come back to the principles of personal liberty, from which both the right and left steal.
@FreedomsReigning We believe in a 1st World country it's the RIGHT thing to do! Next, decades ago Pharmo co.'s came along and aligned themselves w/ doctors making nurses less than previously equal. They do a majority of the work for patients and have nearly the same same skills as doctors to administer medicine. In fact they are the checks and balances to doctors when it comes to many things pertaining to a patient. Sorry if this wasn't a dogmatic & propagandist sound byte for you, ding-dong.
@CaptBart There ya have it. "it's the right thing to do".
These is the Marxist credo. It's the right thing (the moral thing) to steal from others if it serves the greater good. Well guess what, now you get to meet the kind of people that sold you that lie. You've eaten the carrot, next comes the whip. If the collective decides nurses should have twice as many patients, and get half the pay check, that's what we'll do. Your labor belongs to us.
@FreedomsReigning I'm not crying, where'd you get THAT from?. What you fail to understand is how the medical world functions and what's involved all you know is what some multi-millionaire talking head tells you to think. Do you think this happened because of some politicians, NO a Nurse 20 years ago began this campaign, a very well & respected nurse and because a majority of the People demanded it. The politicians simply fuck it up if we're not careful. get some air.
@FreedomsReigning Ok...then. Nurses are Marxists and so is everybody else who gives a damn about anybody else other then their own ass. What a brilliant argument, especially since your logic is right in line with the Bush/Cheney doctrine (now continued under Obama, btw), which proclaimed to be SAVING others, in far off lands, because it was for GREATER good. So, in other words, even GW was a Marxist by your definition. Pretty hilarious :) Nurses are Communists. LMFAO :)
Another mind numbing insult from a spoon fed Marxist.
I find most people like you often attack others through their OWN insecurities. Just understand this; your little insults mean nothing, and all they do is demonstrate your own insecurities to more intelligent people. In fact, you're a good example of why Marxists bait people in with words like "progressive", and "enlightened". They know that you're so stupid and insecure that you'll eat it up.
@FreedomsReigning To idiot, let me add, narsciscistic, arrogant, belittling, self righteous ad-nauseum. Im a secure, reformed, 50 yr. old republican. I am agnostic in both religious and political aspects. Your an idiot. There ya go thats a little bigger insult, and I'll debate you on about any issue. YOU BETCHA!!!!
@FreedomsReigning Nope, I dont, I think that it should be paid for by society as a whole, and for a whole lot less than we are now paying. Japan covers 100% of their popn. for half what we cover 65% of our popn for. I believe its horribly overpriced, and that idiots like you drink the kooliad that stops any type of debate of real issues. Oh and MR. label. I am still registered as a rep. And we have yet to see any indication of any intellect in your head.
@FreedomsReigning Like I said, We pay four times the amount of any of the other industrialized nations, and, Your not too bright, I have to ressurect your posts as someone has rated them spam. Not finding that on mine.Still not giving up thouugh. I will ressurect them just to see if a "smart statement" has come from you. so far nope. YOu betcha
PS Here's the first comment on your page: "this serfturd statist FAR LEFT nazi is a troll ... pfff what an ignorant fraud you are"
o between your mind numbing insults, and your page, I don;t think anyone would be believe that you're a "republican", or a conservative. If you want to debate then let me give you a leg up (you'll need it) I'm a Libertarian, constitutionalists, and agnostic.
@FreedomsReigning Hey duffus, I am in the majority, most of the posts on here claim your a dumbass. and they are correct. like I said half your crap has to be ressurected from spam
I think what you meant to say was "you're a dumbass".
I suggest you get right with yourself, because clearly you're attacking other people through your own self hate and insecurities. I'm not you. I don't hate people, or look at them as my next source of plunder. I want nothing from you, least of all your mind numbing insults.
@FreedomsReigning /and I have asked nothing of you, or my govn, Your posts still are getting hammered. and the mere factt that you keep replying to me??? priceless.
It's fun for me to show people that liberals are incapable of anything other than illiterate insults. It amuses me to showcase the hate that pours from leftist pilferers like yourself, because there's a direct link between that hate, and your socialist beliefs.
Your hate is what allows you to target your neighbors for plundering. You hate us ALL so much that you'll hold this fascist governments hand while they pirate our country, and bring you cheese.
What's the matter with capitalism? Are you afraid of a free market where two individuals enter into a mutually agreed upon, and beneficial contract for labor? Are you afraid to see the true value of your skills and dedication?
Are you afraid of the day that you see the true value of your labors defined by the barometer of money,? Money is just an agreed upon unit of measure for productive men to exchange their labor, and I'll bet you're scared to death of that day.
Just like under FDR, if your job isn't unionized, you're probably not going to get the nice government handouts. The nurses are very cognizant of the fact that we live in a bail-out society, they're doing their best to cash in on the remainder of America's wealth.
@schulwitz my wife is an RN, MDS Coordinator Youre an IDIOT and have no idea of what they go thru and how dedicated these people are. Hand-Outs, sounds like management, self centered and money hungry. Can't stand people that talk about what they don't understand or don't know about. Hand-Outs wait till you are in a nursing home and find out how's asking for the hand outs! IDIOT!!
@anamericanstory Hey, Mr.Know It All, I work in a hospital, I know a great many nurses, for the most part they do what they do for the money, they hate their job and don't give a shit about about the patient, they want to see the $, and nothing else!
A few do care about actual care giving, and about people, a very few however...
@eastwood13 : I sincerely hope that you will never come across a nurse who doesn't give a shit about her patient. Your view is very, very cynical...because most nurses are NOT in it for the money. Many of us could have chosen much more financially 'rewarding' fields - i.e. working for the financial sector of the industry, as insurance consultants or otherwise. Sure, we try to protect our livelyhoods, as anybody else, but making big bucks isn't our major concern + never has been.
@55ella2007k "most nurses are NOT in it for the money"
Why should we even bother paying them? The collective has a right to their labor. From now on I suggest we all just recognize that nurses are born with that slave mentality and we shouldn't feel any shame by declaring their labor as our property. Let's just use them as we see fit. If that means 1 nurse, 10 patients, and no pay checks, that's what we should do.
After all, the love of money is the root of all evil right?
Calm down, no need to get your panties in a bunch.
I'm not saying nurses are bad people or aren't dedicated, just that nurses unions work to create legislation and subsidies to use government force to extract unearned profits from the rest of us who produce wealth in this country.
If the nurses are worth what you claim they are, they shouldn't need to use government force to rob the rest of us.
They need to use government funding for it or else many people wouldn't afford health care no matter how great the nurses are.
On a more general note, it's a statistically proven fact that the more money a country invests in the public sector, like health care and social security, through taxes, the more equal that society is on average.
"it's a statistically proven fact that the more money a country invests in the public sector, like health care and social security, through taxes, the more equal that society is on average."
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I completely agree with you!
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The Soviet Union is the best example these ideas in practice. A world superpower, investing all of its wealth in the public sector and producing an EQUAL society.
So because one person flagged your comment that means the entire concept of collectivism is bad? I could find plenty of people on the right flagging posts etc, I don't think that in itself is an argument against the "free market".
Generally speaking, the left is usually just as much for free speech as the right.
The Soviet Union was Communistic, i.e. a government monopoly, so I don't really see how that's comparable to having a welfare system, it's apples and oranges.
You missed my general point, which was that any society that embraces collectivism eventually requires that those who oppose the ideology to be silenced.
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Left and Right = meaningless paradigm.
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Really? You don't understand how the Soviet Union is "comparable to having a welfare system"?
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USSR = ultimate welfare system.
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Any welfare system will eventually weed out the free market components, making a government monopoly. It doesn't happen overnight though.
Left and Right in the US is pretty much a meaningless paradigm, since they're both so far right, but there's a big difference between left and right on a global scale.
I don't agree that you can just bunch together welfare and collectivism, in the Communist sense of the word. For example, there's countries like Sweden who have a big welfare system, and at the same time are some of the most democratic countries in the world, AND have a "free market".
"there's a big difference between left and right on a global scale."
Left and Right are meaningless terms for describing politics. No one on the planet could read what you wrote and know with certainty that your understanding of "left" is equivalent to their understand of "left".
"I don't agree that you can just bunch together welfare and collectivism"
My description of left being for welfare, and right being against it, basically, and the left therefore wanting higher taxes than the right while the right wants lower.
Yeah I'll agree that welfare is collectivism, I just don't think it necessarily has anything to do with communism.
As a Swede myself (lol, surprise ;P) I've just seen things getting worse as we've moved further to the right. But the point is, even with our welfare state, we've never had issues with free speech.
Fair enough. I'm kind of surprised you think things have gotten worse, especially considering all of the economic crises you experienced in the 90s due to welfare.
You are on the side of an argument that requires speech to be censored because anyone who presents a rational argument against your ideas is seen as a threat that must be squashed.
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Hence, this is why such collectivist ideas have always depended upon the government to control and suppress unwanted ideas and people.
What an ignorant comment ! Go clean the garbage in your own hospitals, that children not get infected with HIV anymore and stop torture in your prisons and police stations ! The one who is the most overrated its you !!
In my opinion, 30$ per hour is a fair wage. If you pay people more than they deserve, than they get spoiled and take advantage of the system and end up having the famous "Union Cadillac Plans" that are generally not fair to the rest of the people. Moreover, they mess up the example of a fair work ethic for society in general.
Why would one begrudge a nurse her income? If the money is such an advantage, become a nurse yourself! : ) Nurses definitely do NOT have the system by the balls...the system wishes they didn't have to deal with nurses (patient advocates - the best of them). The pharmaceutical industry are definitely major players in the control of the "health care" system.
I do not know about the US but up here in Canada there are nurse shortages and the nurses have the system by the balls and in some instances are abusing it. They are getting around $30/hr.
@BusterXXXL When you compare nursing to other jobs in that pay range such as police and firemen either one is paid to much or the others are paid too little. How many on the job deaths has there been in nursing? They need to spend some time doing some real backbreaking work. Running meds around and changing bandages is hardly climbing a pole in the middle of winter or fixing a broken pipe up to your balls in freezing water.
@Mahoivlich If you work with bedridden patients you have to move those, that can't move themselves, every two hours to avoid decubitus and ulcer. Do that for 12 overweight patients without proper training and your back wont last two weeks. Do it WITH proper training, and after 5 years you got a 50% chance to be forced to retire, anyway. "Running meds around" Sometimes, if you got no clue, what you are talking about, just shutting up is the wiser option.
@BusterXXXL they have these things called other people and lifts for problematic cases. I guess nurses are the only job where you have to lift things in your mind.
@Mahoivlich These things "called other people and lifts" cost money, thats one resaon, why they are often not available. In ambulant care, they are rather the exception, than the rule.
Btw: If you know that, why do you keep embellishing?
@Mahoivlich Canadian Nurse's do not have the industry by the balls. The so called "nurse shortage" is a lie told by corporate thugs who want high patient to nurse ratios maintained so that profit margins remain high.
@FriedDaisy we have a complicated political battle. Colleges are in sync with one side of this, ensuring more people are trained to be PSW's and less to be nurses while the demand from hospitals is to save on budgets so that PSW's are hired and nurses are not. At a top level of budget control in theory we can vote out those who slash budgets stupidly. In reality, we may see more slashing with any vote change. It has to change
@FriedDaisy There is no "profit" in a public government funded system. Every nurse who thinks that they have it so hard and are paid so low need to be sent to cut meat in a plant for a month or unplug sewage lines with water works in the middle of winter.
@Mahoivlich you obviously have no clue what nursing involves or how demanding-- both mentally and physically-- it can be. Meat cutting and plumbing might well be difficult, slavish labor, but I do not want a butcher or a plumber assessing and treating me after I've had a stroke or if I were about to deliver a baby. Your attitude is why nurses, teachers, police and firemen are not paid fairly for their unending and mostly unappreciated contributions to the greater good.
No jobs for new nurses better find another course
hexumrulz00 1 year ago
It's great to see this being covered.
blackiron60 1 year ago
Great story Jesse! Having almost no clue about US hospital and nursing system, this gives some good insight...thanks. keep it up!
fishmobful 1 year ago
I love how these nurses hit the streets in protest when they realize their work load is getting heavier, but when ObamaCare was pushed through they sat there calling people "Teabaggers". I guess they thought there was a big meal ticked coming? Guess what, you chose Marxism, which preys on people like you, and dinner is served.
YOU are the main course.
If health care is a right, than the collective has a RIGHT to your labor. Perhaps Al Frankin will save you, and bring home some plunder?
FreedomsReigning 1 year ago
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@arbitrage
"these nurses need to be rounded up and forced to work for free for a year or be exterminated."
Dictator.
kmarinas86 1 year ago
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@kmarinas86 "these nurses need to be rounded up and forced to work for free for a year or be exterminated."
If SEIU wants to argue that health care is a right, than they're handing their labors over to us. We now own their labor, and they need to get used to it! The Doctors too.
If the "greater good" is served by fewer nurses, and smaller paychecks, that's what needs to happen. There's no sense being ashamed about declaring them as our slaves. They wanted this.
FreedomsReigning 1 year ago
Spam? What's the matter? Are you marking me as spam because the truth is too much too handle? You chose Marxism! You've been exploited by men so much smarter than you that your only option when faced with the truth is to "hit the spam button".
I've been fighting for you, and beside you for years. You've now eaten the carrot. Prepare for the whip. You have no idea what you're facing.
FreedomsReigning 1 year ago
"Patient to nurse ratio" = We need more union members that pay dues.
tarossi400 1 year ago
just goes to show, collective social action and unions SAVE LIVES
ytgv3fc7 1 year ago
doctors get paid a lot because their highly intelligent and skilled and spend 100's of thousands on many years of schooling, nurses get paid enough, probably more than enough.
chizzy555 1 year ago
@chizzy555 Nurses don't nearly get paid what they should and Doctors at times make WAY more than they should in comparison. How do I know? My wife's a nurse.
CaptBart 1 year ago
@CaptBart doctors get paid properly and no do nurses, there are people out there who are truly underpaid, doctors and nurses are neither of them
chizzy555 1 year ago
@chizzy555 Very good point, being a carpenter and woodworker I totally understand...and this has what to do with the topic at hand? :)
CaptBart 1 year ago
@CaptBart random offshoot
chizzy555 1 year ago
@chizzy555 K. :)
CaptBart 1 year ago
@CaptBart there is definitely worse overpaid workers though, specially unionized ones, no education or skill and making 20-30 an hour.. noone should be gettin that much with no education or skill unless they are doing an extremely grimey job
chizzy555 1 year ago
It seems that we are unhealthy in part because we are too unhealthy to FORCE the food companies to increase the quality of consumer food products using "consumer demand" alone. Rather than fantasizing that power of buyer decisions (whether in a free market or not) can force healthy foods to grab 90% of the market (NOT POSSIBLE), it must be enforced by laws via executive government. As this problem grows in the future, the complaints of nurses will become larger and more and more justified.
kmarinas86 1 year ago
Yeh those asshole ceos aren't taken any less pay - they are not loosing any benefits - hell their bonuses are bigger than ever FUCK CEOS BUST THEIR DAMN ASSSES DOWN
justonefirefly1 1 year ago
@eastwood13
Ok so ALL nurses are there for the buck, because it is like that in your hospital? Can you generalise a bit more?
MopacMurtaza 1 year ago
I was involved with a nurses strike in Vegas a few years ago. The entire episode left a bad taste in my mouth, both because of the hospital AND the union.
I will never join a nurses union again. They do not care about patients. It's all about money. That said, the hospital was just as bad. Bleh.
imrational 1 year ago
These nurses need to understand something. Health care is now considered a "right", so that means others have a right to their labor. They're now our slaves, so they need to just wipe any ass that's put in front of them....
Welcome to Marxism.
FreedomsReigning 1 year ago
When people can join unions willingly or stay out of a union with no repercussions things work out fine. If a company is that unreasonable, a solid majority will form and cripple them.
When a union is mandatory or there threats of force to non union members from union members thats a bad a situation as any against them from the company itself. It should be just as illegal.
sirellyn 1 year ago
@FreedomsReigning
Watch Fox News much, Idiot?
bendkafka 1 year ago
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@bendkafka "Watch Fox News much, Idiot? "
Comments like this are another side effect of Marxism. In Marxism you are taught to look at your neighbor as your next source of plunder. You're taught that it's okay to steal from your neighbor for the greater good. It leads to a form of self hate and loathing that extends to all people.
I don't watch FAUX NEWS. Unlike yours, my opinions don't come from a glowing box in my living room. I'm an independent, and you should have listened.
FreedomsReigning 1 year ago
@FreedomsReigning - Marxists obviously don't believe in freedom of speech either! :)
What's funny is that most people don't realize the history - ie, Mussolini was a "leftist" Marxist Fascist. Yes, Fascism exists with government, period - not just the right or the left. It originated with the left and has consumed the right. Luckily there are a lot of defectors from both sides and growing. Time to come back to the principles of personal liberty, from which both the right and left steal.
lizolivit 1 year ago 3
@lizolivit Well said. I'm with ya.
FreedomsReigning 1 year ago
@lizolivit awesome thanks.
huskerbird1 1 year ago
@FreedomsReigning We believe in a 1st World country it's the RIGHT thing to do! Next, decades ago Pharmo co.'s came along and aligned themselves w/ doctors making nurses less than previously equal. They do a majority of the work for patients and have nearly the same same skills as doctors to administer medicine. In fact they are the checks and balances to doctors when it comes to many things pertaining to a patient. Sorry if this wasn't a dogmatic & propagandist sound byte for you, ding-dong.
CaptBart 1 year ago
@CaptBart There ya have it. "it's the right thing to do".
These is the Marxist credo. It's the right thing (the moral thing) to steal from others if it serves the greater good. Well guess what, now you get to meet the kind of people that sold you that lie. You've eaten the carrot, next comes the whip. If the collective decides nurses should have twice as many patients, and get half the pay check, that's what we'll do. Your labor belongs to us.
Stop crying. You wanted this.
FreedomsReigning 1 year ago
@FreedomsReigning I'm not crying, where'd you get THAT from?. What you fail to understand is how the medical world functions and what's involved all you know is what some multi-millionaire talking head tells you to think. Do you think this happened because of some politicians, NO a Nurse 20 years ago began this campaign, a very well & respected nurse and because a majority of the People demanded it. The politicians simply fuck it up if we're not careful. get some air.
CaptBart 1 year ago
@FreedomsReigning Ok...then. Nurses are Marxists and so is everybody else who gives a damn about anybody else other then their own ass. What a brilliant argument, especially since your logic is right in line with the Bush/Cheney doctrine (now continued under Obama, btw), which proclaimed to be SAVING others, in far off lands, because it was for GREATER good. So, in other words, even GW was a Marxist by your definition. Pretty hilarious :) Nurses are Communists. LMFAO :)
55ella2007k 1 year ago
@55ella2007k Not all nurses are Marxists, just the SEIU ones, and the ones we see here protesting in the hopes of more ill gotten gains.
FreedomsReigning 1 year ago 2
@FreedomsReigning idiot
huskerbird1 1 year ago
@huskerbird1 "idiot"
Another mind numbing insult from a spoon fed Marxist.
I find most people like you often attack others through their OWN insecurities. Just understand this; your little insults mean nothing, and all they do is demonstrate your own insecurities to more intelligent people. In fact, you're a good example of why Marxists bait people in with words like "progressive", and "enlightened". They know that you're so stupid and insecure that you'll eat it up.
FreedomsReigning 1 year ago
@FreedomsReigning To idiot, let me add, narsciscistic, arrogant, belittling, self righteous ad-nauseum. Im a secure, reformed, 50 yr. old republican. I am agnostic in both religious and political aspects. Your an idiot. There ya go thats a little bigger insult, and I'll debate you on about any issue. YOU BETCHA!!!!
huskerbird1 1 year ago
/\ /\ Here we have what passes as intellectualism within the liberal community. /\ /\
FreedomsReigning 1 year ago
@huskerbird1 "I'll debate you on about any issue"
You will? How about this one: Do you believe that health care is a right?
FreedomsReigning 1 year ago
@FreedomsReigning Nope, I dont, I think that it should be paid for by society as a whole, and for a whole lot less than we are now paying. Japan covers 100% of their popn. for half what we cover 65% of our popn for. I believe its horribly overpriced, and that idiots like you drink the kooliad that stops any type of debate of real issues. Oh and MR. label. I am still registered as a rep. And we have yet to see any indication of any intellect in your head.
huskerbird1 1 year ago
@huskerbird1 So you agree? Health care is not a right?
I just need to make sure, because it was a bore sifting through your insults for a rational thought.
FreedomsReigning 1 year ago
@FreedomsReigning Like I said, We pay four times the amount of any of the other industrialized nations, and, Your not too bright, I have to ressurect your posts as someone has rated them spam. Not finding that on mine.Still not giving up thouugh. I will ressurect them just to see if a "smart statement" has come from you. so far nope. YOu betcha
huskerbird1 1 year ago
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@huskerbird1
PS Here's the first comment on your page: "this serfturd statist FAR LEFT nazi is a troll ... pfff what an ignorant fraud you are"
o between your mind numbing insults, and your page, I don;t think anyone would be believe that you're a "republican", or a conservative. If you want to debate then let me give you a leg up (you'll need it) I'm a Libertarian, constitutionalists, and agnostic.
Good luck numskull.
FreedomsReigning 1 year ago
@FreedomsReigning Hey duffus, I am in the majority, most of the posts on here claim your a dumbass. and they are correct. like I said half your crap has to be ressurected from spam
huskerbird1 1 year ago
@huskerbird1 "your a dumbass"
I think what you meant to say was "you're a dumbass".
I suggest you get right with yourself, because clearly you're attacking other people through your own self hate and insecurities. I'm not you. I don't hate people, or look at them as my next source of plunder. I want nothing from you, least of all your mind numbing insults.
FreedomsReigning 1 year ago
@FreedomsReigning /and I have asked nothing of you, or my govn, Your posts still are getting hammered. and the mere factt that you keep replying to me??? priceless.
huskerbird1 1 year ago
@huskerbird1 I like responding to you.
It's fun for me to show people that liberals are incapable of anything other than illiterate insults. It amuses me to showcase the hate that pours from leftist pilferers like yourself, because there's a direct link between that hate, and your socialist beliefs.
Your hate is what allows you to target your neighbors for plundering. You hate us ALL so much that you'll hold this fascist governments hand while they pirate our country, and bring you cheese.
FreedomsReigning 1 year ago
good to hear another union didnt fall
marpoq 1 year ago
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observer855 1 year ago
Good for all the nurses active in this. They really are the front line in medicine.
kd1s 1 year ago
if you unionize you are gonana be shot in the head, that is capitalism
webmacho 1 year ago
What's the matter with capitalism? Are you afraid of a free market where two individuals enter into a mutually agreed upon, and beneficial contract for labor? Are you afraid to see the true value of your skills and dedication?
Are you afraid of the day that you see the true value of your labors defined by the barometer of money,? Money is just an agreed upon unit of measure for productive men to exchange their labor, and I'll bet you're scared to death of that day.
FreedomsReigning 1 year ago
Example of society imploding on itself because there is no sound money.
Div by 0 error
Article 1 Sec 8 and 10 - gold and silver coin or equivalent (red seal) to pay debts
Federal Reserve Note is a bill of credit - no value
Strike , protest all you want there's no value in the money system, you're fighting for something of 0 value.
boots920 1 year ago
beautiful!
educution 1 year ago
LOL.. they will be working for peanuts soon..
truefictions 1 year ago
go unions go!!!
dankbot420 1 year ago 2
GO UNIONS!!!!
MrsPamela74 1 year ago 2
Nurses do the work and Doc's get the money and power
motorolarules 1 year ago 2
staffing (nurse:patient ratio) is a problem everywhere.........
hypemuch 1 year ago
Just like under FDR, if your job isn't unionized, you're probably not going to get the nice government handouts. The nurses are very cognizant of the fact that we live in a bail-out society, they're doing their best to cash in on the remainder of America's wealth.
schulwitz 1 year ago
@schulwitz my wife is an RN, MDS Coordinator Youre an IDIOT and have no idea of what they go thru and how dedicated these people are. Hand-Outs, sounds like management, self centered and money hungry. Can't stand people that talk about what they don't understand or don't know about. Hand-Outs wait till you are in a nursing home and find out how's asking for the hand outs! IDIOT!!
anamericanstory 1 year ago 2
@anamericanstory Hey, Mr.Know It All, I work in a hospital, I know a great many nurses, for the most part they do what they do for the money, they hate their job and don't give a shit about about the patient, they want to see the $, and nothing else!
A few do care about actual care giving, and about people, a very few however...
eastwood13 1 year ago
@eastwood13 : I sincerely hope that you will never come across a nurse who doesn't give a shit about her patient. Your view is very, very cynical...because most nurses are NOT in it for the money. Many of us could have chosen much more financially 'rewarding' fields - i.e. working for the financial sector of the industry, as insurance consultants or otherwise. Sure, we try to protect our livelyhoods, as anybody else, but making big bucks isn't our major concern + never has been.
55ella2007k 1 year ago
@55ella2007k "most nurses are NOT in it for the money"
Why should we even bother paying them? The collective has a right to their labor. From now on I suggest we all just recognize that nurses are born with that slave mentality and we shouldn't feel any shame by declaring their labor as our property. Let's just use them as we see fit. If that means 1 nurse, 10 patients, and no pay checks, that's what we should do.
After all, the love of money is the root of all evil right?
FreedomsReigning 1 year ago
@anamericanstory
Calm down, no need to get your panties in a bunch.
I'm not saying nurses are bad people or aren't dedicated, just that nurses unions work to create legislation and subsidies to use government force to extract unearned profits from the rest of us who produce wealth in this country.
If the nurses are worth what you claim they are, they shouldn't need to use government force to rob the rest of us.
schulwitz 1 year ago
@schulwitz
They need to use government funding for it or else many people wouldn't afford health care no matter how great the nurses are.
On a more general note, it's a statistically proven fact that the more money a country invests in the public sector, like health care and social security, through taxes, the more equal that society is on average.
VolcanicPenguin 1 year ago
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@VolcanicPenguin
"it's a statistically proven fact that the more money a country invests in the public sector, like health care and social security, through taxes, the more equal that society is on average."
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I completely agree with you!
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The Soviet Union is the best example these ideas in practice. A world superpower, investing all of its wealth in the public sector and producing an EQUAL society.
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Equally impoverished, equally destitute, equally enslaved.
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No Bill Gates in CCCP!
schulwitz 1 year ago
@schulwitz
So because one person flagged your comment that means the entire concept of collectivism is bad? I could find plenty of people on the right flagging posts etc, I don't think that in itself is an argument against the "free market".
Generally speaking, the left is usually just as much for free speech as the right.
The Soviet Union was Communistic, i.e. a government monopoly, so I don't really see how that's comparable to having a welfare system, it's apples and oranges.
VolcanicPenguin 1 year ago
@VolcanicPenguin
You missed my general point, which was that any society that embraces collectivism eventually requires that those who oppose the ideology to be silenced.
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Left and Right = meaningless paradigm.
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Really? You don't understand how the Soviet Union is "comparable to having a welfare system"?
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USSR = ultimate welfare system.
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Any welfare system will eventually weed out the free market components, making a government monopoly. It doesn't happen overnight though.
schulwitz 1 year ago
@schulwitz
Left and Right in the US is pretty much a meaningless paradigm, since they're both so far right, but there's a big difference between left and right on a global scale.
I don't agree that you can just bunch together welfare and collectivism, in the Communist sense of the word. For example, there's countries like Sweden who have a big welfare system, and at the same time are some of the most democratic countries in the world, AND have a "free market".
VolcanicPenguin 1 year ago
@VolcanicPenguin
"there's a big difference between left and right on a global scale."
Left and Right are meaningless terms for describing politics. No one on the planet could read what you wrote and know with certainty that your understanding of "left" is equivalent to their understand of "left".
"I don't agree that you can just bunch together welfare and collectivism"
Welfare is collectivism by definition.
schulwitz 1 year ago
@schulwitz
My description of left being for welfare, and right being against it, basically, and the left therefore wanting higher taxes than the right while the right wants lower.
Yeah I'll agree that welfare is collectivism, I just don't think it necessarily has anything to do with communism.
As a Swede myself (lol, surprise ;P) I've just seen things getting worse as we've moved further to the right. But the point is, even with our welfare state, we've never had issues with free speech.
VolcanicPenguin 1 year ago
@VolcanicPenguin
Fair enough. I'm kind of surprised you think things have gotten worse, especially considering all of the economic crises you experienced in the 90s due to welfare.
schulwitz 1 year ago
@VolcanicPenguin If you said both right and left are getting more statist or tyrannical, then yes I'd agree with that.
Also Sweden is making gains because it's moving closer to a free market. Watch for yourself:
/watch?v=vG51uCrYxVM
sirellyn 1 year ago
@VolcanicPenguin
My response to you was flagged as spam.
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Just think about that for a moment.
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You are on the side of an argument that requires speech to be censored because anyone who presents a rational argument against your ideas is seen as a threat that must be squashed.
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Hence, this is why such collectivist ideas have always depended upon the government to control and suppress unwanted ideas and people.
schulwitz 1 year ago
Doctors are overrated. All you need is a good surgeon, and some caring nurses.
MuammarAlGathafi 1 year ago
@MuammarAlGathafi
What an ignorant comment ! Go clean the garbage in your own hospitals, that children not get infected with HIV anymore and stop torture in your prisons and police stations ! The one who is the most overrated its you !!
cockpit777 1 year ago
In my opinion, 30$ per hour is a fair wage. If you pay people more than they deserve, than they get spoiled and take advantage of the system and end up having the famous "Union Cadillac Plans" that are generally not fair to the rest of the people. Moreover, they mess up the example of a fair work ethic for society in general.
Lexman00 1 year ago
It's nice to hear about a strike action that actually ended in a victory for the union for a change.
ArcticSlicer 1 year ago
Why would one begrudge a nurse her income? If the money is such an advantage, become a nurse yourself! : ) Nurses definitely do NOT have the system by the balls...the system wishes they didn't have to deal with nurses (patient advocates - the best of them). The pharmaceutical industry are definitely major players in the control of the "health care" system.
rebeccadr 1 year ago 3
I do not know about the US but up here in Canada there are nurse shortages and the nurses have the system by the balls and in some instances are abusing it. They are getting around $30/hr.
Mahoivlich 1 year ago
@Mahoivlich $30/hour approx 60K per year, assuming 8-hour work days. That seems normal.
n1njasause 1 year ago
@Mahoivlich $30/hour for a night shift in a backbreaking job with high responsibilities for other peoples lives is ridiculously low.
BusterXXXL 1 year ago 9
@BusterXXXL don't forget all the overtime they probably put in aside. :S
GetTheCans 1 year ago
@BusterXXXL When you compare nursing to other jobs in that pay range such as police and firemen either one is paid to much or the others are paid too little. How many on the job deaths has there been in nursing? They need to spend some time doing some real backbreaking work. Running meds around and changing bandages is hardly climbing a pole in the middle of winter or fixing a broken pipe up to your balls in freezing water.
Mahoivlich 1 year ago
@Mahoivlich If you work with bedridden patients you have to move those, that can't move themselves, every two hours to avoid decubitus and ulcer. Do that for 12 overweight patients without proper training and your back wont last two weeks. Do it WITH proper training, and after 5 years you got a 50% chance to be forced to retire, anyway. "Running meds around" Sometimes, if you got no clue, what you are talking about, just shutting up is the wiser option.
BusterXXXL 1 year ago
@BusterXXXL they have these things called other people and lifts for problematic cases. I guess nurses are the only job where you have to lift things in your mind.
Btw embellishment is bullshit.
Mahoivlich 1 year ago
@Mahoivlich These things "called other people and lifts" cost money, thats one resaon, why they are often not available. In ambulant care, they are rather the exception, than the rule.
Btw: If you know that, why do you keep embellishing?
BusterXXXL 1 year ago
@Mahoivlich That's hardly an overpaid job. If you think they are being overpaid it's likely because you're working a job that is underpaying you.
ArcticSlicer 1 year ago 9
@Mahoivlich Canadian Nurse's do not have the industry by the balls. The so called "nurse shortage" is a lie told by corporate thugs who want high patient to nurse ratios maintained so that profit margins remain high.
FriedDaisy 1 year ago
@FriedDaisy we have a complicated political battle. Colleges are in sync with one side of this, ensuring more people are trained to be PSW's and less to be nurses while the demand from hospitals is to save on budgets so that PSW's are hired and nurses are not. At a top level of budget control in theory we can vote out those who slash budgets stupidly. In reality, we may see more slashing with any vote change. It has to change
ytgv3fc7 1 year ago
@FriedDaisy There is no "profit" in a public government funded system. Every nurse who thinks that they have it so hard and are paid so low need to be sent to cut meat in a plant for a month or unplug sewage lines with water works in the middle of winter.
Mahoivlich 1 year ago
@Mahoivlich you obviously have no clue what nursing involves or how demanding-- both mentally and physically-- it can be. Meat cutting and plumbing might well be difficult, slavish labor, but I do not want a butcher or a plumber assessing and treating me after I've had a stroke or if I were about to deliver a baby. Your attitude is why nurses, teachers, police and firemen are not paid fairly for their unending and mostly unappreciated contributions to the greater good.
FriedDaisy 1 year ago
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Mahoivlich 1 year ago
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wooo hooo first comment!
pranachimana 1 year ago