War it stupid. The leaders get elected to govern the people to a prosperous life, instead they make the citizens into pawns in a large game of chess. The only difference is, sacrificing a few pieces means a few human beings get murdered.
it is a shame, they all look the same. It makes you feel better about shooting someone different than you when they look the same as the thousands of other asians shooting at you. sad sad thing war is.
@DomNNatious It was for an Elektra anniversary thing... Can't remember the exact event/CD. TMBG chose this song because Phil Ochs published the original version under Elektra, and they was signed with Elektra at the time, so this cover killed two birds with one stone.
Its from "Rubicon", an anniversary compilation CD from Elektra records featuring artists from their (90's era) roster covering songs by their stable from decades past.
We are a representative democracy. We elect the people that lead us. Yes, the Electoral College does vote for the president, but the Electoral College is us. Just not all of us. We are also a republic in which we elect our representative, and are not ruled by a monarch. The fact is that it doesn't matter what we call ourselves. A country is a country. A piece of land that govern. No country is greater or lesser then another, although some are more developed economical then others.
Hitler was a conman, like Manson, Koresh. They all had a lot in common. Went to jail, lived among other conmen, and thought up their own versions of the same thing- taking people whose lives were crap, making them easily led, and inventing a cult, with them as the leader. Hitler wrote Mein Kampf while in jail. Naziism was nothing more than a huge cult of easily led sheep. They had a ready made scapegoat (the same one as usual in history), a leader they thought of as a god, and away they went.
If it was because he went jail.. he was in jail for trying to forcefully take over German parliament. It wasn't so much a 'cult' but a Workers Party movement, that ended up becoming Fascism.
Hitler wasn't the worst of the Nazis, and to think they were 'easily led', you should watch the world today!
Generally he was a good leader. Besides the whole Ethnic Cleansing part. He lead Germanys terrible broken economy into a super power. And he promised that so technically he didn't "Con" anyone.
Ah...."The good men do is often buried with their bones." or something. Hitler's ecnomic reform,as positive as it is, will for centuries be soon forgoteen when we rember the the ireedemble acts of genocide he condoned. Great at public speaking though!
Hitler's so-called "economic reform" simply based on a gigantic rearmament programme, fed by debts and robbery. By 1939 Germany's economy was totally ruined and he needed the war to cover it up.
No need to neg this comment. Just needs a history lesson. Germany was so bad you literally needed a wheelbarrow to hold the cash to buy a loaf of bread. And they were sick of the rest of the world telling them what to do after WW1. So yeah a guy like Hitler could promise a lot and get popular.
That would be "The evil that men do lives after them, the good is oft interred with their bones." But I disagree. Hitler's good wasn't there to be interred in the first place.
that whole thing was a pump and dump. there was money in their pockets, and more coming in but I'd hardly call it sustainable. like using water to lubricate metal- it may go smoothly for a bit but wait till it rusts.
youre entitled to your opinion pal, and i for one will stand up for your right to be wrong. better people than you or i gave their lives for the right to vote, if you dont want to use yours, fine, thats your democratic choice, but remember the people who fought for your freedom to choose and a big part of that was the right to vote, if you want to insult their memory by not even bothering to vote all i can say is shame on you, remember there are people in the world still fighting for a vote.
Actually, the people who fought for "our right to vote", believed in a voting system where the people were restricted. The Electoral College votes for presidents, and actually, if they wanted, could vote entirely different than their "pledge".
We are -not- a democracy in America, and never have been. We are a confederate republic, and the right to vote for your state legislature and district congressmen is good, but vote for the President or a Senator is really not a good idea.
We where never a republic. Just because it says "Republic" in the pledge doesn't mean that. A republic it's generally a bloated democracy where people can vote for laws,military action,and any other action the government is going to take. Anyways we are a usually classified as:
Actually we -are- a republic. A democratic republic, because if you look at our systems of balance, the people do not elect the president and originally did not elect the senate. The people only elected the representatives on the federal level.
We are not a "capatailist democracy" whatever that is. Capaitalism is just something we used to embrace, not something that is the name of our government.
The actual name is a Federal Republic, that is what we are.
Capitalist is an economic not governing system. Hate to burst your bubble but it appears you have the definitions backward (your current definition of a "republic " is actually a pure democracy).
I'm not trying to define the word republic. I'm saying that we are a Democracy not a Republic. And capitalism is. With Capitalism the government does not hand out free health care and let citizens die and fail to their own extant. And Socialism is a Governing system to.
No not rally we are a Democracy. Have you ever heard the the phrase "Democracy now! Democracy Forever!" during the revolutionary war? They weren't fighting for republic they where fighting for Democracy.
"i for one will stand up for your right to be wrong." Funny thing you actually aren't standing up for his right be wrong for pointing it out. You are just trying to sound good. The people dying and killing in wars is not for us. It's for them or their family. Bottom line it's for money. Let's face it it's a well paying job. Humans are animals and will go where the food is. The whole honor our troops is bullshit. Yes, their job is dangerous, but same with coal miners, and no one is honoring them.
" it is good fortune for governments that people do not think" - ADOLF HITLER
to stop madmen gaining power you must think and question everything, the next time you hear "i dont vote, what difference does it make". from someone, tell them how dangerous that attitude is! I think phil ochs would have loved this cover of his song, its fantastic, he spent his life saying to people YOU CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE!
It came out around 1990 -- it was on an Elektra compilation. Then-Elektra artists (like TMBG) covered songs by former Elektra artists (like Phil Ochs).
IT's not so much as an "emo" statement as a strangely true sentiment of militarism. What's more, it's actually a cover. The original was written in 1964 by Phil Ochs, when people could make rather dark claims without being dismissed as "emo" because it didn't fit with someone's sunshiny perspective.
So there you have it. It's a protest song which uses sardonic humor as its tool of realization.
Not everything is ponies and rainbows, you know. ;)
As if I haven't posted enough about the things I like about this, I like how in the beginning of the song, the pictures are all of happy, anticipating soldiers, but as it progresses, they get more and more downtrodden and depresssed.
The last time I saw TMBG in concert they gave a little speech on them not liking Lou Dobbs. It involved Lou knocking on their bus asking to be let in and a response of "No, Lou; go away and take off the Walter Cronkite mask."
The added synthesized brass and higher tempo does make it more "march" like, which to me makes it feel more like a parade(or even a circus). I think TMBG's version emphasizes the irony by being more "upbeat". John sounds more like he buys into what he is saying, which I think is deliberate.
Its difficult to describe, but I feel like TMBG is taking the situation and saying, "Look how absurd this is."
Phil Ochs more stark version takes the situation and says, "Look how terrible this is."
I think irony is a very powerful device in music, especially as a tool of political or social commentary.
The band DEVO does something similar, with the song "Beautiful World", which, if you don't listen carefully or see the video, could go right over your head.
I think the subtle use of irony helps it work on two levels, in that it not only carries an anti-war message, but it almost functions more powerfully as a criticism of pro-war music and anthems (as you said, "look how absurd it is)
It is "a rather depressing view" because war is often also seen as a unifying force. Look at pro-war propaganda films- they love to show the benefits-> proving our countries strength, standing up for our rights, etc
You know I have to say, comparing this version of the song and the Phil Ochs version, there's something this one has that I really think adds to it. The tuba(?) in this one really gives a strong marching rhythm to it, which I think communicates the whole feeling of the song even better.
The Phil Ochs version sounds a bit to Ennio Morricone to me.
Anybody here remember Phil Ochs, who wrote this song? about another war? So long ago? Phil hung himself in his sister's bathroom by the belt of his bathrobe. No more parades for Phil. See Aye Aee might have helped him get his feet in the air i think.
Are you serious? We're lucky we intervened when we did. Iraq was on the verge of a civil war, US forces are keeping Iraq stable, and stopping Iran from doing anything. Should we not have invaded, Iran could have sent in its military and its influences throughout Mesopotamia/The Middle East, and establish itself as a lone, renegade hegemon, leading to the genocide of any that oppose them. That'd be millions. Get a fucking clue you liberal jackass.
Oh, so THAT'S why we invaded a country that posed no threat to us -- and not because of WMDs, democracy or nonexistent ties between al-Qaeda and Saddam Hussein. Thanks for clearing that up. If I could twist like a conservative, I'd be dancing on Broadway.
War is war, whether it's civil or with us. Innocent people die over power control. Before this war, Iraq and Iran hated each other and that was sort of our safety net. Saudi Arabians attacked us and suddenly we were at war with Iraq, aggravating Iran, and making a mockery of our global "policing skills." We have nothing to be proud of regarding this war.
I love TMBG and this song and video work beautifully together. If you want to see something similar, check out Devo's "Beautiful World". It cracked me up that Target used it for a commercial a few years ago when it's such a bitter song. Devo probably laughed all the way to the bank...
That video is amazing....but here's something interesting: Jerry Casale of Devo is one of the biggest names in advertising. If you notice, Devo songs are used in a lot of commercials. I suspect he's wisely cashing in on his own band wherever he can. It's exactly what the message of De-evolution intended. I consider the man a genius!!
Well stated and agreed upon.. as long as the cause is a noble one to render honour, rather than shame, upon the very land one serves.. And this is sweeter still: Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori, sed dulcius pro patria vivere, et dulcissimum pro patria bibere. Ergo, bibamus pro salute patriae.
Thank you. Jeez, I was looking for that. I figured it was on their first album, 'cause that was the only one I didn't have, but I finally found that one, and it wasn't there. I was distraught.
"war is supposed to be horrible, that's the point." what kind of bizarre logic is that? can we not find some sort of alternative solution than "WAR,WAR,WAR! KILL IT ALL!"?
TMBG has done political songs-although a bit more oblique-in the past.
In fact, in the liner notes to a compilation disc of their first two albums there's a photo of them performing at a concert benefiting the Sandinista dictatorship in Nicaragua back in 1982.
HAHAHHAAHAAHHA bravo, Recreant! Well, I'm no Bush administration fan and I didn't vote for him, but I'm less of a war fan, no matter what era. I thought making a movie with graphic, vintage footage would show the timeless horror of what sacrifices people make and how we package this into something "positive". It was really difficult to make this little movie.
Besides, George W. Bush-whether you like it or not-is an elected president. Not a "despot." I'm pretty sure you don't even understand what that term implies, to be perfectly honest.
He'll leave office in two years, which I'm sure will send all of you moonbats who've spent the past four years demonizing him into a tailspin of sorrow and emo-inspired cutting.
The first time he was more installed than elected and what would you call a leader who reads mail without a warrent, suspends habeas corpus, encourages torture, uses lies to justify wars, etc?
the vid should've included some footage of Bush speaking as he should be included in the despotic commanders of murderous rapture, but it's awesome as it is.
"It is wrong to expect a reward for your struggles. The reward is the act of struggle itself, not what you win. Even though you can't expect to defeat the absurdity of the world, you must make that attempt. That's morality, that's religion. That's art. That's life." - Phil Ochs
As much as I love TMBG and as much as I love Phil Ochs and think both are geniuses it's hard for me to take TMBG as serious rather than happy go lucky. The visuals are awesome but I think I prefer Phil Ochs version.
Is it the voices? Because TMBG has some pretty dark and angry lyrics - John Henry is pretty sad. I almost see that as doubly tragic, actually. I like the Phil Ochs version too, but I picked this one because it was a good juxtaposition. This song, with the accordions especially, reminds me a lot of Jacques Brel's style...have you ever heard his work? Thanks for the comment!
I agree with you, that TMBG usually use a "happy-go-lucky" sound, but alot of their work actually has very depressing undertones, if you analyze the words.
oh, don't get me wrong -- it's great! but great in a way that makes a person feel horribly sad too. so sad that Phil's words AREN'T obsolete by now. We could hope for improvement, couldn't we? Oh well. So yes, thank you for doing this.
Thanks! I really appreciate the nice comments...I hope it can help teach a lesson about how awful war can be - it is a shame that Ochs's lyrics haven't lost relevance.
Good for TMBG.
kenmeyerjr 8 months ago
i cant believe that some people dont understand this song
nxg1499 11 months ago
The audio works on 240p.
Gadfly25 11 months ago 11
WTF happened to the audio?
116Bears 1 year ago 2
Phil Ochs was a loser, but the day he and Marvin Gaye got married the trees all waved their giant arms.
BifMcAwesome 1 year ago
Who stole the sound?
116Bears 1 year ago 4
War it stupid. The leaders get elected to govern the people to a prosperous life, instead they make the citizens into pawns in a large game of chess. The only difference is, sacrificing a few pieces means a few human beings get murdered.
Cheeseisgood7789 1 year ago
The audio still plays in 240p...
ohnoanotherputz 1 year ago 39
i hate how they removed the audio this was the best version
niko1499 1 year ago
that's weird, i wonder why this video won't play in 360p only in 240p...
mattarchie1494 1 year ago
there is no audio
monkeyfly30 1 year ago
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Gadfly25 1 year ago
Haunting.
Gadfly25 1 year ago
am i the only one who feels empowerd and get a good feeling from this song?
beanodonnell 1 year ago
@beanodonnell Nope.
mouse264 1 year ago
It's hard to believe only 60,000 people have viewed this video. :(
StevelaFrench 1 year ago
Great cover -- so wonderful to hear Phil's music being kept alive, it's all too relevant.
Here's to the day it won't be!!
marimbadearco 1 year ago
it is a shame, they all look the same. It makes you feel better about shooting someone different than you when they look the same as the thousands of other asians shooting at you. sad sad thing war is.
FunnyBunnyofDOOM 1 year ago
what album is this from?
DomNNatious 1 year ago
@DomNNatious It was for an Elektra anniversary thing... Can't remember the exact event/CD. TMBG chose this song because Phil Ochs published the original version under Elektra, and they was signed with Elektra at the time, so this cover killed two birds with one stone.
peanutfoot 1 year ago
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this song is so powerfull
ObjSolid 2 years ago
"Death has a tendency to encourage a depressing view of war." -Donald Rumsfeld
brainsplatty 2 years ago 18
actually, there's a box set of ALL Phil Ochs songs, well worth owning.
LadyFullMoon71 2 years ago
This video is the first time I ever heard this song. I can't find the original. They Might Be Giants are one of my all time favorites as well.
ConnDevi88 2 years ago
its a phil ochs song, the 1st track on his
1st album, "all the news thats fit to sing" but do yourself a favour and buy all his albums! he was something special phil ochs. all the best pal.
mudfries 2 years ago 5
@ConnDevi88: A 25-second clipping of the original you can hear here:
mog(dot)com/music/Phil_Ochs/There_But_for_Fortune/One_More_Parade
Kaefer1956 2 years ago
Its from "Rubicon", an anniversary compilation CD from Elektra records featuring artists from their (90's era) roster covering songs by their stable from decades past.
GroovyChainsaw 2 years ago
We are a representative democracy. We elect the people that lead us. Yes, the Electoral College does vote for the president, but the Electoral College is us. Just not all of us. We are also a republic in which we elect our representative, and are not ruled by a monarch. The fact is that it doesn't matter what we call ourselves. A country is a country. A piece of land that govern. No country is greater or lesser then another, although some are more developed economical then others.
Mchadalas 2 years ago
phil ochs. they might be giants. my life is basically complete.
fionabearclaw 2 years ago
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SouthernJediFilms 2 years ago
Hitler was a conman, like Manson, Koresh. They all had a lot in common. Went to jail, lived among other conmen, and thought up their own versions of the same thing- taking people whose lives were crap, making them easily led, and inventing a cult, with them as the leader. Hitler wrote Mein Kampf while in jail. Naziism was nothing more than a huge cult of easily led sheep. They had a ready made scapegoat (the same one as usual in history), a leader they thought of as a god, and away they went.
beatpunk9 2 years ago
If it was because he went jail.. he was in jail for trying to forcefully take over German parliament. It wasn't so much a 'cult' but a Workers Party movement, that ended up becoming Fascism.
Hitler wasn't the worst of the Nazis, and to think they were 'easily led', you should watch the world today!
luciusETRUR 2 years ago 2
Finely somebody who understands the word fascism on you tube! Anyways i agree with you .
redhook4 2 years ago
Generally he was a good leader. Besides the whole Ethnic Cleansing part. He lead Germanys terrible broken economy into a super power. And he promised that so technically he didn't "Con" anyone.
redhook4 2 years ago
Ah...."The good men do is often buried with their bones." or something. Hitler's ecnomic reform,as positive as it is, will for centuries be soon forgoteen when we rember the the ireedemble acts of genocide he condoned. Great at public speaking though!
epee102 2 years ago
Genocide tends to take away from economic reform :P
redhook4 2 years ago 3
Hitler's so-called "economic reform" simply based on a gigantic rearmament programme, fed by debts and robbery. By 1939 Germany's economy was totally ruined and he needed the war to cover it up.
Kaefer1956 2 years ago
Okay.I really no nothing about Germany
pre-WW2, I just found it funny that people were trying to excuse Hitler be reffering to economic reform.
epee102 2 years ago
No need to neg this comment. Just needs a history lesson. Germany was so bad you literally needed a wheelbarrow to hold the cash to buy a loaf of bread. And they were sick of the rest of the world telling them what to do after WW1. So yeah a guy like Hitler could promise a lot and get popular.
Artemetra 1 year ago
@epee102
That would be "The evil that men do lives after them, the good is oft interred with their bones." But I disagree. Hitler's good wasn't there to be interred in the first place.
BongoWW 1 year ago
that whole thing was a pump and dump. there was money in their pockets, and more coming in but I'd hardly call it sustainable. like using water to lubricate metal- it may go smoothly for a bit but wait till it rusts.
prshortpants 1 year ago
youre entitled to your opinion pal, and i for one will stand up for your right to be wrong. better people than you or i gave their lives for the right to vote, if you dont want to use yours, fine, thats your democratic choice, but remember the people who fought for your freedom to choose and a big part of that was the right to vote, if you want to insult their memory by not even bothering to vote all i can say is shame on you, remember there are people in the world still fighting for a vote.
mudfries 2 years ago
That's a great thing about America. You have the right to vote and the right to not vote.
TheHitman45 2 years ago
actualy, you should still go to vite. even if you jsut deface the slip, you've had you're say.
10094926 2 years ago
Actually, the people who fought for "our right to vote", believed in a voting system where the people were restricted. The Electoral College votes for presidents, and actually, if they wanted, could vote entirely different than their "pledge".
We are -not- a democracy in America, and never have been. We are a confederate republic, and the right to vote for your state legislature and district congressmen is good, but vote for the President or a Senator is really not a good idea.
luciusETRUR 2 years ago
We where never a republic. Just because it says "Republic" in the pledge doesn't mean that. A republic it's generally a bloated democracy where people can vote for laws,military action,and any other action the government is going to take. Anyways we are a usually classified as:
Capitalist Democracy
or
Capitalist Utopia.
redhook4 2 years ago
Actually we -are- a republic. A democratic republic, because if you look at our systems of balance, the people do not elect the president and originally did not elect the senate. The people only elected the representatives on the federal level.
We are not a "capatailist democracy" whatever that is. Capaitalism is just something we used to embrace, not something that is the name of our government.
The actual name is a Federal Republic, that is what we are.
luciusETRUR 2 years ago
Utopia's by definition are non-existant
Capitalist is an economic not governing system. Hate to burst your bubble but it appears you have the definitions backward (your current definition of a "republic " is actually a pure democracy).
epee102 2 years ago
I'm not trying to define the word republic. I'm saying that we are a Democracy not a Republic. And capitalism is. With Capitalism the government does not hand out free health care and let citizens die and fail to their own extant. And Socialism is a Governing system to.
redhook4 2 years ago
No, Captialism is the concept of competing sellers, although you are correct Socialism is a governing system (Not to be confused with Communism)
A modern democracy is Switzerland,
while we are a republic with democratic lenencies.
epee102 2 years ago
No not rally we are a Democracy. Have you ever heard the the phrase "Democracy now! Democracy Forever!" during the revolutionary war? They weren't fighting for republic they where fighting for Democracy.
redhook4 2 years ago
No, I have not heard that phrase during the revolution. Democracy means you vote directly for everything, this we do not .
epee102 2 years ago
That's not Democracy. That's Direct Democracy. Democracy is when you vote for a Senator,Mayor,Representative,and president (like we did)
redhook4 2 years ago
very well. I commonly refer to that as republic, but I see no reason to argue over names, as long as the understood system works the same
epee102 2 years ago
"i for one will stand up for your right to be wrong." Funny thing you actually aren't standing up for his right be wrong for pointing it out. You are just trying to sound good. The people dying and killing in wars is not for us. It's for them or their family. Bottom line it's for money. Let's face it it's a well paying job. Humans are animals and will go where the food is. The whole honor our troops is bullshit. Yes, their job is dangerous, but same with coal miners, and no one is honoring them.
Mchadalas 2 years ago
" it is good fortune for governments that people do not think" - ADOLF HITLER
to stop madmen gaining power you must think and question everything, the next time you hear "i dont vote, what difference does it make". from someone, tell them how dangerous that attitude is! I think phil ochs would have loved this cover of his song, its fantastic, he spent his life saying to people YOU CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE!
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mudfries 2 years ago 2
You can make a difference, but not by voting, bro.
Curtis006 2 years ago
great vid. made me think, hitler was actually a great leader; only what he fought for was wat we might call 'bad'
whowantsabighug 3 years ago
lol uhm yeah id def say it was very "bad"
PhyscoZombieChickie 3 years ago
what we might call bad? i do agree he was quite a persuasive leader although he was fucking insane
CFFDan 3 years ago
not in his opinion he mustve thought we were insane since he was trying to 'cleanse' humanity
whowantsabighug 3 years ago
let's read Hitler's mind.
if only it had all stayed at the level of one mind.
edithhughes 3 years ago 2
TMBG really did this song justice. It's almost as good as the original. The footage is horrible. Really makes you think. good job. : ]
Bandaids4ever 3 years ago
wow, this was great! Only the 2nd time I gave vid with dead kids 5 stars.
VHShit 3 years ago
This is a really good song. I really did not expect this from TMBG.
MondaysTuesday 3 years ago
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ANY GUYS UP?
someone smart please help me NB
Jalaledine 3 years ago
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sounds like wall of doodoo
cajohn54 3 years ago
What in the hell does that incomplete sentence even mean?
TheFallenCanRise 3 years ago
Thanks, Phil. Thanks, John and John.
PoisonPeachPit 3 years ago 2
can anyone tell me when THEY released this one? good song but tough to look at
dmahnke 3 years ago
TMBG are citizens too? They've got a bunch of songs from other eras like this, if you look through all the stuff they've released.
subversivecynic 3 years ago
xD They do have a bunch of songs from everywhere. I prefer their older stuff.
HeroicBard 3 years ago
It came out around 1990 -- it was on an Elektra compilation. Then-Elektra artists (like TMBG) covered songs by former Elektra artists (like Phil Ochs).
elusiverobertdenby 3 years ago
Referring to all the sh*t going on now?
schoolybear1 3 years ago
It's toe tappingly tragic:)
AToober 3 years ago
It's tragidorable.
Amoeb4man 3 years ago 3
Make music not war.
hippiekyd416 3 years ago
seriously kick ass song, right at the end they should have done some sorta heavier breakdown like thing. But still awesome tune
archaedemos 3 years ago
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What the fuck? If i wanted to watch some emo shit i would of. And i though TMBG was good.
loerandloer 3 years ago
What were you looking for?
madamewoselle 3 years ago
What exactly is your complaint?
C16H12FN3O3 3 years ago
IT's not so much as an "emo" statement as a strangely true sentiment of militarism. What's more, it's actually a cover. The original was written in 1964 by Phil Ochs, when people could make rather dark claims without being dismissed as "emo" because it didn't fit with someone's sunshiny perspective.
So there you have it. It's a protest song which uses sardonic humor as its tool of realization.
Not everything is ponies and rainbows, you know. ;)
Avidity 3 years ago 7
TMBG IS good! Why are they "emo" for making a song about war? This is a very, very, very NOT "emo" song.
xLightLordx 2 years ago
@loerandloer they have a really wide variety of music, go listen to some other song, they most likely have what your looking for
arebeast 1 year ago
@loerandloer i think it has a strong political message
nxg1499 10 months ago
As if I haven't posted enough about the things I like about this, I like how in the beginning of the song, the pictures are all of happy, anticipating soldiers, but as it progresses, they get more and more downtrodden and depresssed.
YoshiLives 3 years ago
i feel that TMBG is one of the better band of the times that can be considered now, they are different and talented, and this is a fantastic song
MondaysTuesday 3 years ago
This is a great interpretation of the song, and no-one ever wrote an anti-war song like Phil Ochs did. I'm as surprised as I am impressed.
mbap23 3 years ago
This was the best thing on youtube in a long time. I'm beginning to adore TMBG now.
NitwitDune 3 years ago
The last time I saw TMBG in concert they gave a little speech on them not liking Lou Dobbs. It involved Lou knocking on their bus asking to be let in and a response of "No, Lou; go away and take off the Walter Cronkite mask."
TheArtistOfKuroo 3 years ago 2
Красота войны исчезает, стоит только взглянуть на нее поближе....
JO34B 3 years ago
The added synthesized brass and higher tempo does make it more "march" like, which to me makes it feel more like a parade(or even a circus). I think TMBG's version emphasizes the irony by being more "upbeat". John sounds more like he buys into what he is saying, which I think is deliberate.
Its difficult to describe, but I feel like TMBG is taking the situation and saying, "Look how absurd this is."
Phil Ochs more stark version takes the situation and says, "Look how terrible this is."
insidious 3 years ago 22
I think irony is a very powerful device in music, especially as a tool of political or social commentary.
The band DEVO does something similar, with the song "Beautiful World", which, if you don't listen carefully or see the video, could go right over your head.
I think the subtle use of irony helps it work on two levels, in that it not only carries an anti-war message, but it almost functions more powerfully as a criticism of pro-war music and anthems (as you said, "look how absurd it is)
TheTatterdemalion2 3 years ago 3
I agree. I find the exaggerated cynicism of the TMBG version is much more powerful than the straightforward depression of the Ochs version.
YoshiLives 3 years ago
@theonly.
It's called being smart.
Ysmikaze 3 years ago
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why r all these comments so formal and gramaticaly correct? like people should be saying "awesome vid" or "awesome song"! i mean, come on!
theonly44552 3 years ago
Intelligent discourse happening all by itself is rare on YouTube, theonly44552. Don't spoil it.
slashingraven 3 years ago 8
Because illiterate and pointless comments annoy everyone, as do those that leave them. Plus, this is a very serious subject matter.
YoshiLives 3 years ago 4
It is "a rather depressing view" because war is often also seen as a unifying force. Look at pro-war propaganda films- they love to show the benefits-> proving our countries strength, standing up for our rights, etc
There is a different view to everything.
Masokissed 3 years ago 5
Oh, and if this is a "depressing" view of how war affects everyone...isn't that simply because war is, in reality, a very depressing thing?
TheTatterdemalion2 3 years ago 7
Yeah, pretty much, but I'm usually one who employs understatement in regular diction!
madamewoselle 3 years ago
You know I have to say, comparing this version of the song and the Phil Ochs version, there's something this one has that I really think adds to it. The tuba(?) in this one really gives a strong marching rhythm to it, which I think communicates the whole feeling of the song even better.
The Phil Ochs version sounds a bit to Ennio Morricone to me.
TheTatterdemalion2 3 years ago
It's from his first album, which I believe is available on CD - "All the News That's Fit to Sing"
padraiggillon 4 years ago
have they made any new albums
rightboom 4 years ago
Didn't The Else come out this year? Or was it last year?
HeroOfHyla 4 years ago
The Else already came out, on May 2007 :)
Kuriru 4 years ago
Yah like all the time
BastardJack 3 years ago
Most recently, Here Come The 123's.
StephanieLives 3 years ago
BEST. FAN. MADE. VIDEO. EVER.
srsly, good job.
junkevil 4 years ago 3
Just record your computer's sound while playing the song.
omfgzhax 4 years ago
The copy I have is on an album called There But For Fortune.
NotEvenScience 4 years ago
good song
justinisboss 4 years ago
Does anyone know where I can get a copy of this? I have the Phil Ochs version, but I want the TMBG one, too.
NotEvenScience 4 years ago
Find the old compilation "Rubaiyat: Elektra's 40th Anniversary." It's on several TMBG bootlegs too.
StephanieLives 4 years ago
This song is amazing, it really has truth to it.
Andrea1691 4 years ago
Anybody here remember Phil Ochs, who wrote this song? about another war? So long ago? Phil hung himself in his sister's bathroom by the belt of his bathrobe. No more parades for Phil. See Aye Aee might have helped him get his feet in the air i think.
capnboffo 4 years ago
Iraq was on the verge of civil war before America went in; okay. They're a shitload closer now. Plus all the other countries are really angry.
Good video; I'd probably cut down on the appearances of Hitler, though. He's a bit obvious, and excessive references to him can corrode the argument.
manwithoutabody 4 years ago
Thanks for the suggestion! I will definitely take it in mind when I work on the 2.0 version of this - if I ever get a chance!
madamewoselle 4 years ago
War SUCKS IMPEACH THAT DUMB ASS BUSH and his croonies...
flyby7a 4 years ago
Are you serious? We're lucky we intervened when we did. Iraq was on the verge of a civil war, US forces are keeping Iraq stable, and stopping Iran from doing anything. Should we not have invaded, Iran could have sent in its military and its influences throughout Mesopotamia/The Middle East, and establish itself as a lone, renegade hegemon, leading to the genocide of any that oppose them. That'd be millions. Get a fucking clue you liberal jackass.
Crassness 4 years ago
Oh, so THAT'S why we invaded a country that posed no threat to us -- and not because of WMDs, democracy or nonexistent ties between al-Qaeda and Saddam Hussein. Thanks for clearing that up. If I could twist like a conservative, I'd be dancing on Broadway.
elusiverobertdenby 4 years ago
War is war, whether it's civil or with us. Innocent people die over power control. Before this war, Iraq and Iran hated each other and that was sort of our safety net. Saudi Arabians attacked us and suddenly we were at war with Iraq, aggravating Iran, and making a mockery of our global "policing skills." We have nothing to be proud of regarding this war.
madamewoselle 4 years ago
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Ha-Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-jawhol Ve do eet guut! Keel Iraockees day soo lucky we dey fraand.
capnboffo 4 years ago
I love TMBG and this song and video work beautifully together. If you want to see something similar, check out Devo's "Beautiful World". It cracked me up that Target used it for a commercial a few years ago when it's such a bitter song. Devo probably laughed all the way to the bank...
mikercass 4 years ago
i love devo.
LeopoldSampsonite 4 years ago
We're all Devo
madamewoselle 4 years ago
That video is amazing....but here's something interesting: Jerry Casale of Devo is one of the biggest names in advertising. If you notice, Devo songs are used in a lot of commercials. I suspect he's wisely cashing in on his own band wherever he can. It's exactly what the message of De-evolution intended. I consider the man a genius!!
madamewoselle 4 years ago
nice.
I just recently found out he did the theme song fro Pee Wee's Playhouse and many other things in TV.
Pwernt 4 years ago
Babushcas!!!
Gabelsa 4 years ago
how well Phil saw everything, and how fearlessly he told of it. He was gone before I even became aware, but I hear him and miss him all the same.
sydneylocks 4 years ago
that was great!
brainsplatty 4 years ago
someone should show this to a certain president I can think of. (Cough! Bush!)
dexbuddy 4 years ago
Dulce et decorum est, pro patria mori.
smillar98 4 years ago
Well stated and agreed upon.. as long as the cause is a noble one to render honour, rather than shame, upon the very land one serves.. And this is sweeter still: Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori, sed dulcius pro patria vivere, et dulcissimum pro patria bibere. Ergo, bibamus pro salute patriae.
NemesisNyx 4 years ago
Great vid! Ochs would have loved it!. War is no joke!
checkerphil 4 years ago
TMBG covered Phil's "One More Parade" on the Rubaiyat compilation. The song wasn't on any TMBG album.
yeahibet 4 years ago
Thank you. Jeez, I was looking for that. I figured it was on their first album, 'cause that was the only one I didn't have, but I finally found that one, and it wasn't there. I was distraught.
UzumakiKiba 4 years ago
This is such a great video and song.
TMBGs juxtoposition of "happy-go-lucky" sound VS depressing and topical lyrics. You captured it very well
anklepants 4 years ago
Well done!
PongGod 5 years ago
Sardonic, is what i would use to describe this, a dark video coupled with dark, sarcastic lyrics, gotta love tmbg
runzombies 5 years ago
"war is supposed to be horrible, that's the point." what kind of bizarre logic is that? can we not find some sort of alternative solution than "WAR,WAR,WAR! KILL IT ALL!"?
gonff 5 years ago
good video. well, not the content so much as the message behind it. you know what i mean...
gnome81 5 years ago
They also posted a screed defending the Harvey Milk School on their website, if I'm not mistaken.
That being said, it's still one of my favorite bands.
I don't think you can necessarily compare the two versions.
Like I said, it's unique.
For a cover song it's not that bad.
Recreant456 5 years ago
HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH Alright, you are officially my friend.
madamewoselle 5 years ago
TMBG has done political songs-although a bit more oblique-in the past.
In fact, in the liner notes to a compilation disc of their first two albums there's a photo of them performing at a concert benefiting the Sandinista dictatorship in Nicaragua back in 1982.
Recreant456 5 years ago
HAHAHHAAHAAHHA bravo, Recreant! Well, I'm no Bush administration fan and I didn't vote for him, but I'm less of a war fan, no matter what era. I thought making a movie with graphic, vintage footage would show the timeless horror of what sacrifices people make and how we package this into something "positive". It was really difficult to make this little movie.
madamewoselle 5 years ago
In any case, it's a unique spin.
They can't replicate the Phil Ochs original, but they do have a unique take on things.
And yes, TMBG is more than simply a "happy-go-lucky" band, so I'm not surprised they'd do a cover of this song.
Recreant456 5 years ago
War is supposed to be awful.
That's the point.
Besides, George W. Bush-whether you like it or not-is an elected president. Not a "despot." I'm pretty sure you don't even understand what that term implies, to be perfectly honest.
He'll leave office in two years, which I'm sure will send all of you moonbats who've spent the past four years demonizing him into a tailspin of sorrow and emo-inspired cutting.
Recreant456 5 years ago
The first time he was more installed than elected and what would you call a leader who reads mail without a warrent, suspends habeas corpus, encourages torture, uses lies to justify wars, etc?
blessened 5 years ago
Umm . . . Lincoln?
lordshell 5 years ago
love it! a great band covering a great song by a great songwriter. nice movie, too.
arbitropia 5 years ago
Its not from any album its just a random song they have a bunch of those.
adamwebb175 5 years ago
The song itself is a Phil Ochs tune from 1964, but They Might Be Giants are a modern band. I'm not sure what album this is from, though...
madamewoselle 5 years ago
What year is this song from? I've never heard it before and am wondering how I missed it. It sounds old but I'm assuming it's recent?
jenlovely 5 years ago
the vid should've included some footage of Bush speaking as he should be included in the despotic commanders of murderous rapture, but it's awesome as it is.
Zoeler 5 years ago
I thought I'd stick to WW2, but you just gave me an idea for a scathing sequel...!
madamewoselle 5 years ago
really good video really great song tmbg version works for me very well
blessened 5 years ago
Wow...Phil would have loved this video. Anybody know how to insert it on the Army recruiting site? :)
zenspinner 5 years ago
Ooh. That would be much more of a statement than "Army of One..."
madamewoselle 5 years ago
"It is wrong to expect a reward for your struggles. The reward is the act of struggle itself, not what you win. Even though you can't expect to defeat the absurdity of the world, you must make that attempt. That's morality, that's religion. That's art. That's life." - Phil Ochs
Weebop 5 years ago
As much as I love TMBG and as much as I love Phil Ochs and think both are geniuses it's hard for me to take TMBG as serious rather than happy go lucky. The visuals are awesome but I think I prefer Phil Ochs version.
UncarvedBlock 5 years ago
Is it the voices? Because TMBG has some pretty dark and angry lyrics - John Henry is pretty sad. I almost see that as doubly tragic, actually. I like the Phil Ochs version too, but I picked this one because it was a good juxtaposition. This song, with the accordions especially, reminds me a lot of Jacques Brel's style...have you ever heard his work? Thanks for the comment!
madamewoselle 5 years ago
I agree with you, that TMBG usually use a "happy-go-lucky" sound, but alot of their work actually has very depressing undertones, if you analyze the words.
As Madamewoselle said first, of course.
Rez123 5 years ago
I'd never heard this before, but the song really suits the TMBG sound.
MrSirMrSirMr 5 years ago
I think it's awesome! Keep up the good editing.
FoxyGrandma 5 years ago
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ZiggyShiv 5 years ago
Er....say WHAT?
KennBurch 2 years ago
very graphic, but displays the power of Phil's music.
jrosenberry 5 years ago
I thought a song like this needed to be graphic to make a point...it was really hard to edit this, it made me really sad.
madamewoselle 5 years ago
oh, don't get me wrong -- it's great! but great in a way that makes a person feel horribly sad too. so sad that Phil's words AREN'T obsolete by now. We could hope for improvement, couldn't we? Oh well. So yes, thank you for doing this.
jrosenberry 5 years ago
Thanks! I really appreciate the nice comments...I hope it can help teach a lesson about how awful war can be - it is a shame that Ochs's lyrics haven't lost relevance.
madamewoselle 5 years ago
Very good.
Omnibeast 5 years ago