eh NBA, if you wish to get better in basketball, you must start following a proper training system. I used the nba workout routine here at "50inchvertical [dot] com". I didn t even tell this to my college teammates yet haha
NBA damn, what else can I say. If you play basketball, you HAVE to all study how to dunk, I only just not too long ago completed the coaching program at 50inchvertical(dot)com - it's the best program available (guess who's just 5'10!) sub-temperate sub-temperate Kobe Bryant Scores 61 Points at Madison Square Garden sub-temperate
@TheAznPwns Dude grow up. LeBron sucks anyways. Reason: LeBron is an incredible athlete, greatest athlete this league may ever see. But he plain sucks at basketball. His BBall IQ at its peak is 12.
LeBron: Incredible physical speciman, sucky Basketball player.
Kobe: Good athlete, above average in most everything he can do, and he can do everything. But he knows basketball better than anyone in the league. He is the smartest man in the NBA.
@AutoShotgun27 Michael Jordan had the best of both worlds. Im a Laker fan and i have no problem admitting Michael Jordan is the greatest basktetball player of all time. Why cant you just say 'How about michael jordan?' please dont throw in childish words.
@Gliebhard no. check your comment first before you comment cause you said here" He is the smartest man in the NBA." That's not correct, if I were you I would like to say" He is one of the smartest man in the NBA."
@AutoShotgun27 Last time i checked MJ wasnt playing in the NBA anymore. Being the smartest player in the league doesnt make you the best. It takes skill which is obvious.
Lebron sucks? He had like 52 points and a triple double in Madison Square garden. How is his B-Ball IQ 12? He finds his open teammates and creates plays thats why he averages more assist than kobe
@FrictionZero Because people were afraid of Lebron. Lebron is NOT a good basketball player he is just an incredible athlete. Call me when he has 5 rings that he won without Wade and Bosh. Btw wade is better than lebron and he showed that in the finals. Kobe has always been in the top 5 SG in avg. assists. Him being a ballhog has always been a myth.
@Gliebhard how does rings determine how good a player is? Because last time I checked basketball is a TEAM sport. How about you call me when Kobe wins a championship WITHOUT being bailed out by a team mate? His last championship was owed to Ron Artest stepping up when Kobe CHOKED and went 6-24 in game 7 of the series
To anyone who thinks the Knicks fans was jumping the bandwagon its called giving credit where credit is due , something you jordan nuthuggers never do
@mikenotnumber1 Are you listening clearly?Wilt had amazing size to go with great athletic ability.Todays players are almost all freak athletes, and damn sure are more athletic and bigger than the players in Wilts days. Im not saying wilt wouldn't dominate todays era, cause he might have been able to, just not in the way he did in his era, the talent level is just to high now. He could average 25, n 15 im sure of it, but not no damn 50 n 25. Shaq coulda ave the same #s had he played in Wilts era.
@mikenotnumber1 Did you even read what I wrote? I just said it's not just about height, players over the last 2 decades have a heck of alot more athletisim to go with their size, as aposed to the status that played in Wilts days.
@mikenotnumber1 Not to mention Wilt didnt have a 3 second rule for the first half of his career, kinda wierd how he never averaged over 30 once that rule came into effect...
@mikenotnumber1 Are you 5?...Kareem came into the league when Wilt was on his way out, they played what..3 years together?...And Wilt wasnt even averaging 15 points a game at that time...Bill Russell wasonly 6'9 to his 7'1....and its not just height, the players then didnt have the athletic ability to go with it that the players in the past 2 decades had....He would have never averaged 20+ boards a game against a Shaq, Ewing, Robinson, Hakeem, Dwight, Bynum, Duncan.
@mikenotnumber1 Wilt did it against abunch of short white guys...please...Wilt wouldnt average close to any of those numbers in the modern era...Its the same as a 21 year old playing against a 10 year old...
Then why can't guys like U EVER show us where him alleged being better, has consistently translated into BETTER seasons from him, especially in this era where the rules have been changed to FAVOR guys like himself?
U kobe homers are the ONLY group of fans of a player who are DUMB ENOUGH to insist that he's better, while consistently NOT producing better results the 1 place that would PROVE it: the court
Kobe's taken 36+ shots 21 times in the reg season for his career and has only cracked 50+ pts 9 times.
LBJ's only taken 35+ shots 3 times in his entire career, and cracked 50+ pts in 2 of 'em!! If he wasn't so busy trying to be a team player & was more selfish, he'd blow this game & Kobe's career 50+ pt game totals out of the water..
Please go educate yourself and get some damn perspective on the game, B4 trying to claim what someone allegedly "can't do" dumb ass...SMH
MJ has AT LEAST 7 seasons of shooting 4-5% ABOVE the league avg. MJ consistently shot as good or better than the league average, kobe consistently only shoots 45%, not to mention he avg's LESS ppg too.
And when it comes to 3pt shooting, BOTH consistently shot BELOW league avg but MJ has 4 seasons shooting above the league average in 3pt%, kobe only has 2..
@mikenotnumber1 lol these guys r dummies if i was u i wouldnt even post vids and waste my time. they cant accept the fact that their bum ass fav player "MJ" Played in a watered down ass league.
"what they do not tell you...is what some of those players did to MJ"
What you're CONVENIENTLY leaving out is that in all of those examples U listed, that was a 39-40 yr old, past his prime MJ they did that against, not a prime MJ.
The fact that U constantly do this, just proves what your agenda is: smear MJ.
Given his age at that time, what he did against them (in their prime at that), is MORE IMPRESSIVE than anything they did against him..
@blackadam06 "MJ scored 40+ pts "4" times in '02...two were vs Top 10 defenses (1 was against the #1 ranked defense)." as a matter of fact .wen he went up against a championship team(a kobe lead laker team may i add). he went 8-20 for 22 points. then again wen he went head up with kobe again that year HE HAD a TOTAL OF 5 POINTS!!!!!. I OWN u mj homers off every time LOL. AND BTW THE HORNETS WERE SO BAD THEY HAD TO RELOCATE AND CHANGE THEIR WHOLE FRANSHISE LOL
Minus scoring, a 39 yr old MJ in '02 put up BETTER avg's in virtually EVERY category than kobe has THIS SEASON, so that ought to tell ya something.
Secondly, MJ only had 5 pts in that game because he left with an injury U fuckin' idiot! U kobe homers are ALWAY trying to build kobe up by using what he did against a past his prime MJ, which just shows HOW DESPERATE U morons are in your childish attempts at propping him up to MJ's level..SMH
blackadam06 jordan left with a ankel injury late in the 3rd quarter u fukn idiot!!!!! lol kobe avgd more points than mj in 02 plz dont even try that. in FYi IM a Lebron fan not Kobe. Kobe dominated mj ass n 02. And i got the stats to prove it. Once again OWNED... TRY AGAIN
@iRelaspedAgain Are you trying to raise an argument that kobe was better than Jordan was at 39-40?? Seriously, if Kobe was....what that fuck does that prove douche bag?? Jordan is GOAT get a brain and get over it.
@bwink23 "jordan the goat get over it" lol no not @ all. mj was and still is the most popular basketball player to ever live. and has the most influence of any player. that alone gives him " the goat" acclaim and he was a legend top 5 or or 3 or 2 players ever wen it came to the court no doubt. But.... Wen it comes to pure ball skills and dominance on both sides of ball THE GOAT Was Wilt.
yes Wilt was great. But he didnt really had competition.And when he had,he choked. Also the 100 point game was a joke.Look it up to see what happened.
@feniath20 he choked? do u kno he avgd 38.8 points and a 61 fg% vs bill russell? and he avgd 35 ppg and 57% vs kareem wen wilt was like 300 years old? lol and great competition? did mj really have great competition? LOL Come back with some stats or something chump
@iRelaspedAgain MJ actually has 34 games with 50+ points. The 100 point game is in triple overtime. Wilt had no boundaries, and they had to change the rules because of him. He would literally goal tend and perform offensive interferences all the time. He had no rules to stop him though. MJ could do a lot of things Wilt couldn't offensively. So which pure ball skills???
@mikenotnumber1 lol u ran blacabitch and bwink off props to u. lol. I Crush these mj homers daily with facts and stats and video proof and they cant handle it
@mikenotnumber1 ALL DAY BITCH!! you post an illegal 3-seconds from the old game, and i got some swamp land to sell you!! don't post them, you know you can't little bitch....keep talking shit and NOT POSTING SHIT...your just exposing your silly ass with every spam post that doesn't include a link....post the links girl, post them.
at 2:15 the guy in the blue shirt says " ya betta then mike! " , i think that might be fag code for he wants to suck some nba allstar dick.... hes a great ball player but not the greatest of all time.
@thebruceblitzchennel..... yea and when your dad sneaks into your room at 2am i hope you can recognize his man size, all kidding aside kobe is incredible but i bet when hes 38 or 40 he won't drop 50 points in a NBA game, but guess who did?
When a 38 yr old MJ scored 51 vs Charlotte in '02, they were a Top 10 defense, and made it to the 2nd Rd of the playoffs, so how did they "suck"? As always, your comments are ignorant & make NO SENSE at all...SMH
Secondly, MJ scored 40+ pts "4" times in '02...two were vs Top 10 defenses (1 was against the #1 ranked defense).
Kobe only did it once that year, and it was against a non Top 10 defense at that.
@blackadam06 hornets had no players on the all defensive team. had no players who were top 20 in blocks. but did have baron davis who was #2 in steals. but he wasnt guardn mj. they allowed 103.ppg which in this current day would b fuckin horrible. they were # 10 in defense which is not elite. not even great. 1-4 elite. 5-9 great 10-18 middle of packand the rest is bad. and "good teams" dont get beat in the playoffs in 5 games by a team that hasnt won a championship in 25 plus years
"I don't think [anybody] will [ever] really touch what Michael has done for the game. They may be able to [break a record] he had or maybe win more championships, but Michael's image will [always stand], and his greatness will [never be superseded]."
-- Phil Jackson: "Michael Jordan's contributions will never be eclipsed"; nba.com Aug 27, 2009
U can go back to your "kobe's the greatest" fantasy island and finish playing with your coloring books now..
"I think with Michael in terms of what [he's done], has [gone as far] as you can. I don't think [anyone] can play this game [any better] than [he played]."
-- Bill Russell: "The Jordan Phenomenon"; pbs . org online newshour
@mikenotnumber1 i don't give a fuck what you cut and paste bitch, it's time not mine....it's no wonder you won't post links, cuz it could take the rest of your wasted life. i own you bitch your mine.
@mikenotnumber1 i don't give a fuck about words on paper bitch, i know the game, and i know how it was called mother fucker! Post the links you dumb fuck, try your best your gonna need it spambot ! you first, me second...ALL DAY LITTLE BITCH, ALL DAY LONG!
@mikenotnumber1 Keep forwarding the vid D-bag....while your at it, why don't post links some RELEVANT links to some defensive 3-seconds calls in the lane.....you know you can't little bitch, YOU KNOW YOU CAN'T..i don't want examples of average illegal D calls then i already know about, give the Defensive 3....come on bitch shock the world terd herder.
@mikenotnumber1 /watch?v=tfaxusuEIcI ........at 1:27, WIDE OPEN LANE, lakers-celtics 2010....defensive 3-second rule in full affect.....now what little boy, gonna cry yourself to sleep in your Kobe nutsack pillow??
@mikenotnumber1 /watch?v=-KFbmOjqHco goto :45....who's Oliver Miller guarding asshole ??? He's camping in the lane and isn't even giving Stacey King a second thought, who by way isn't no where near him !! ALL DAY LONG BABY! ALL FUCKING DAY! RANDOM MY ASS!
@mikenotnumber1 /watch?v=eNcoKkmpdM4 goto 1:43.....what the fuck is that guy on the Phoenix Suns doing? His man is out on the wing and he's under the basket setting up camp!! BLATANT 3-seconds today no way around it! Random clips?? Dude i can do this ALL FUCKING DAY! They didn't call it dumb shit, there was no set "defensive 3 second" call back then! THE END!
@bwink23 u dont know WTF UR TALKING ABOUT. BACK N MJ DAY RULES WERE WAY EASIER. Only knock u have on this era is no hand checking which players still do anyway . lol
@mikenotnumber1 What have we been preaching this whole time THE DEFENSIVE 3-SECOND OPENS UP THE LANES FOR OFFENSIVE PERIMETER PLAYERS. Point fucking blank. That WAS NOT SO for those in the 80's and 90's...Bigs camped in the lane all the time. This does not happen today, unless there are already offensive players in it....DUH! That is the whole damn point SPAMBOT.
@mikenotnumber1 Sagging too far off your man on the weak side isn't a defensive 3-second call dipshit ! you don't have to be in the lane to be called for it MORON! Today, ANYONE not within an ARM'S REACH of his man while in the paint gets whistled ! In other words, if an offensive player is in the lane, all he has to do is back up a few feet and pull his man out of the lane! That is the benefit of defensive 3 seconds you imbocile! NO ONE can be in there unless actively guarding someone. DUH
@mikenotnumber1 NBA 1984 Finals Game 7 "Celtics - Lakers" (part 8) goto 1:50, bottom left hand corner...2 guys hanging in the paint, automatic defensive 3-seconds today...one defender didn't even follow his man, he just hung out wating for something to happen....LOL first vid i went to, you want some more of that bitch?? i own your ass.
@mikenotnumber1 i already know those types of plays could get you an illegal defense dumb ass...i said....post some examples of DEFENSIVE 3-seconds in the key!! DUH!
@mikenotnumber1 What the fuck?? where is the defensive 3-second calls?? i don't see none of that shit in your posts...i see a weak side defender sagging and not following his man at the 3-point line...that's not defensive 3-seconds you DUMBSHIT!! give me some links you fucktard!
@mikenotnumber1 No it won't....it happened all the time, like you said ! should be easy for you, you've had over a week to find some, and you still don't have shit....lame
@mikenotnumber1 post it bitch!! god i'm owning you so bad right now! post the footage, what's the matter?? can't find it ?? but it happened all the time! give the links fucker, don't you know how to use youtube?
@mikenotnumber1 Where is the defensive 3-seconds moron?? i know what illegal D they called back then...lol your so dumb....everyone knows why you can't post it....cuz it didn't happen!! LOL!
@mikenotnumber1 Just as i thought...a pussy....as usual....post the footage jackass, if it happened all the time you should have no problems finding it....your looking like a dumb ass avoiding it.
@mikenotnumber1 As i've stated before...i can post examples from almost any youtube clip of 80's games of it not being called. BOOK doesn't translate to what happened on the floor. There is a reason why they were eliminated, cuz they were TOO DIFFICULT TO ENFORCE. I"m still wating on your video clips showing the calls. No more book quotes, give me the footage..you post the links, i'm not doing your footwork for you, cuz i already know i'd be wasting my time finding a needle in a haystack.
@mikenotnumber1 Mikey....you can say the book had a vague rule for zone defense, that didn't allow the defender to hang out in the lane.....the reason why that shit don't fly, is because it was never called....i'm only enough to know how the game was called back then. illegal D was mainly called in 2 instances....1) Defender must be above the free throw line when opponent is at the 3-point line...2) you must COMMIT to a double team. no faking it....that's it....bigs camped ALL THE TIME
@mikenotnumber1 my thing is with sports is they should have a set of rules and stick to them.. obviously there's certain things that needed to be tweaked with time..but im more or so talking about the drastic changes. Look at how the NFL opened up their passing game and other apsects with the rule changes..its not even just NBA its sports in general, it irritates me seeing leagues changing the rules to help or make things easier..as they want to open up the more appealing aspects..money money
@mikenotnumber1 disrespect greats?what great have we disrespected huh? There's a long list with your fanboy self there Jordan obviously then Shaq then LeBron then Magic even guys like Wade And then Ewing and everyone who played vs Jordan..it's all about Kobe..the Jordan lebron shaq hate triangle does little to dispel that lol.
@mikenotnumber1 you have been shutdown you have not answered anything..we owned you so badly on the rule changes you now act like you hate them aswell..when we know you love them. 68 has already been shutdown in the early 80s they made it legal to camp in the paint..how many times does this need to be repeated..it's why they decided in 2002 to put the 3 second violation back in..go read the rules why change something that's there..stop being so stupid..finished.
@kileer7 You made no mistake..he's been on here all upset over the rule changes that have opened up the game..and he is now pretending he cannot stand them aswell..as he has no answer for them. all while denying the video evidence coaches and league officials on the same info he keeps repeating that has been shutdown..it's becoming a tire act..yet he can go on all year.
@mikenotnumber1 keep on ignoring are posts.. you haven't answered anything lol yet we have answered and shutdown all of yours..yet you continue to ignore ares over and over..see how you slyly went off the original topic. there is no no need for us to really post anymore..bwink and black have gone..as this topic was finnished/shutdown and has now been over a while ago..what's the point of repeating it all again. Peace
@mikenotnumber1 I don't want any part of a Kobe vs Jordan argument, or era vs era argument. I'm simply going to provide the answer to "what were the rules..not ur excuses". Once again I have no dog in this fight, and I don't want to insult or belittle anyone.
1999-00 1. In the backcourt, there is no contact with hands and forearms by defenders. In the frontcourt, there is no contact with hands and forearms by defenders except below the free throw line extended in which case the defender may only use his forearm. In the post, neither the offensive player nor the defender is allowed to dislodge or displace a player who has legally obtained a position. continued
@kileer7 Defender may not use his forearm, shoulder, hip or hand to reroute or hold-up an offensive player going from point A to point B or one who is attempting to come around a legal screen set by another offensive player. Slowing or impeding the progress of the screener by grabbing, clutching, holding “chucking” or “wrapping up” is prohibited.
@kileer7 2. Any defense is legal on the strong side. Defenders must remain on the weak side outside the paint unless they are double-teaming the ball, picking up a free cutter or closely guarding an offensive player.
1. If a player is fouled when he has a clear-path-to-the-basket, he gets one free throw and his team gets possession of the ball at midcourt.
2. Previously, the player received two free throws.
3. No contact with either hands or forearms by defenders except in the frontcourt below the free throw line extended in which case the defender may use his forearm only.
@kileer7 continuation: 4. Neither the offensive player nor the defender will be allowed to dislodge or displace a player who has legally obtained a position.
5. Defender may not use his forearm, shoulder, hip or hand to reroute or hold-up an offensive player going from point A to Point B or one who is attempting to come around a legal screen set by another offensive player.
@kileer7 continuation: 6. Slowing or impeding the progress of the screener by grabbing, clutching, holding “chucking” or “wrapping up” is prohibited.
7. On the strongside, any defense is legal.
8. On the weakside, defenders must remain on the weakside outside the paint unless (i) they are double-teaming the ball, (ii) picking up a free cutter or (iii) closely guarding an offensive player.
1. A new defensive three-second rule will prohibit a defensive player from remaining in the lane for more than three consecutive seconds without closely guarding an offensive player.
2. Brief contact initiated by a defensive player will be allowed if it does not impede the progress of the player with the ball.
1. New rules were introduced to curtail hand-checking, clarify blocking fouls and call defensive three seconds to open up the game.
It is widely known that after the hand-checking rule started being interpreted differently beginning in the 2004-05 season. Players started penetrating better and the floor became more spread.
@kileer7 As a result, scoring has risen every season. Shooting percentages have also risen since 2004-05 regardless of location -- at-the-rim shots, short- and deep-mid range and 3-pointers. Because of this rule players couldn’t play as tight defense because a foul would automatically be called.
@kileer7 continuation: Sometimes statistics and facts don’t tell the whole story, and I think sometimes the best way to analyze something is by getting expert opinions.
1. Ron Artest claimed that if he defended Jordan in his prime, that Michael Jordan "would drop 50 on me".
2. During a 2007 L.A. Lakers pre-season broadcast, Phil Jackson was asked how he thought Michael Jordan would perform today, Phil said: "Michael would average 45 with these rules."
3. "You can't even touch a guy now," says Charlotte coach Larry Brown. "The college game is much more physical than our game. I always tease Michael [Jordan], if he played today, he'd average 50."
4. “The history book inspires them to be some of the best,” said Jordan. “Rules have changed to help them. I could have averaged 50 points today!”
@kileer7 continuation: Clyde Drexler: "Oh, tremendously better, from shooting percentage to points per game everything would be up, and our old teams would score a lot more points, and that is saying something because we could score a lot back then.
@kileer7 continuation: I do think there should be an asterisk next to some of these scoring leaders, because it is much different trying to score with a forearm in your face. It is harder to score with that resistance. You had to turn your back on guys defending you back in the day with all the hand checking that was going on. For guys who penetrate these days, it's hunting season. Yes, now you can play (floating)zone(legally), but teams rarely do."
6. "The defensive rules, the hand checking, the ability to make contact on a guy in certain areas .... [have] all been taken away from the game. If Kobe could get 81, I think Michael could get 100 in today's game." - Scottie Pippen January 2006
7. Craig Hodges is the Lakers shooting coach, get a look at what he said:
Q: If you could take one player in their prime, would you take Michael Jordan or Kobe?
A: M.J., all day. There's no comparison. M.J. could score 100 points in this era. You can't hand-check now. Imagine that trying to guard M.J. It would be crazy.
8. Hall of Famer Rick Barry, a keen observer of the game, said he would love to see players of the past getting to attack the basket under the new officiating. “They’d score a lot more,” he said.
9. Tex Winter said. "Players today can get to the basket individually much easier."
10. Asked if he could defend Jordan under today’s interpretation of the rules, Dumars first laughed, “It would have been virtually impossible to defend Michael Jordan based on the way the game’s being called right now.”
@mikenotnumber1 ya boring..I get why bwink keeps posting "yawn" your too repetitive ..go back read through are post we have shutdown everything you said..you got shutdown on the rule changes so you went off subject..you continue to ignore are posts..and repeat the same old post we already answered and silenced. You could continue doing this repetitive trolling cycle of spam posting for the rest of this year as you have proven.. a no life.. you have spent all season doing this with shaqpop LMAO
@mikenotnumber1 these drastic rule changes started in 2000 and really went all out in 05.. when Stu Jackson made sure they were fully enforced. Many coaches, players "current" and ex have spoken out about how much it has opened up the perimeter game..and made many things much easier..they have pushed out the big man..and made it all about the perimeter game thanks to the rules..look no further than 6ft1 Parker leading the league in total points scored in the paint for 2 straight years.
@mikenotnumber1 2002: A new defensive three-second rule will prohibit a defensive player from remaining in the lane for more than three consecutive seconds without closely guarding an offensive player. 2004/2005: New rules were introduced to curtail hand-checking, clarify blocking fouls and" call defensive three seconds to open up the game"
@mikenotnumber1 I'm honestly wondering if you're remedial man..do I have to explain this to you like a 5 year old. How many times do you need me to repeat myself...do I need to go and re post everything again? we have gone over everything, yet you continue to post around it all. I'm honestly cool with u bro, I just find this crazy man. We have already specifically posted league guys and coaches dismissing illegal defense..saying the rule was useless and not followed..as it was so hard to call.
@mikenotnumber1 this is what you do repeat repeat repeat..this is why I have stayed away from your trolling commenst for a while..as I just do not have the time to waste doing this rubbish of repeatedly shutting down the same posts over and over..only to see them repeated again and again..while you are continuously overlooking all are posts for obvious reasons lol.
@mikenotnumber1 we have already shutdown your posts..for once answer ares.. explain the 3 second violation that was put in? this rule would not be put in if it was already in place..common sense man use..we just showed you a surplus of info of guys breaking down the impact of the 3second violation..of guys saying the most misunderstood rule was the illegal defense which was impossible to call and overlooked by all coaches..stop making excuse and dancing around are post for once.
@mikenotnumber1 yes mikenot ..stu Jackson is now uncredible when it comes to the rule changes of the league he helps run..seriously man??..oh let's just write off what the vice president of basketball operations and control of this league has to say on rules that they changed..you know considering he was all over the rule changes with Stern, and one of the main masterminds behind them..let's just ignore him as your upset with the truth..whatever works for you man.
Stu Jackson specifically pointed out how proud they were of the impact the 3 second violation had, when they put it in.. on his nba review. They loved how much it opened up the perimeter for easier driving lanes and so on.. and with the results of taking out all the grabbing holding handchecking ..it had a awesome effect..no longer could defenders handcuff the wing players
Mikenot your clearly lacking common sense.. there was no 3 second violation in the 80s or 90s..if there was there would have been no need for Stu Jackson to have made the changes he did..come on you cannot be that stupid dude lol
I've already pointed out that he's referring to the "offensive" 3-second rule, but the defensive 3-second rule didn't come into existence until '05..
He's just doing what all kobe homers do when they're pinned by the facts: deny..deny..deny, while insisting that he's right, or will just start to make a lot of baseless excuses..
@blackadam06 yeah i came across a fanboy a while ago,who was trying to sell the offensive 3 second violation as the defensive 3 second violation. i will never understand how these certain individuals can make endless excuses like this for another man while being so ignorantly blind to the ''truth''& facts, its most likely why many refer to them as Kobesexuals lol as their love for him seems to be more than just basketball,as they always seem to be overlooking the truth and making so many excuses
"In Thomas, the Pistons have a quick defender who knows the intricacies of their [zone defense] when Detroit is playing the Jordan Rules. Thomas [often] has the job of [bouncing around] on the perimeter, sometimes making an [all-out] effort to [double-team] Jordan. Sure, sometimes he [should be] whistled for [illegal defense], but he [rarely] is."
-- Jack McCallum: "Mission Impossible"; Sports Illustrated, Nov 6, 1989
eh NBA, if you wish to get better in basketball, you must start following a proper training system. I used the nba workout routine here at "50inchvertical [dot] com". I didn t even tell this to my college teammates yet haha
gessicaleibeigt 1 week ago
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iuliusbekeleskc 1 week ago
It seemed like a home game the way the crowd reacted to that performance lol
MRjayytee89 3 weeks ago
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redtrain8 7 months ago
@TheAznPwns Dude grow up. LeBron sucks anyways. Reason: LeBron is an incredible athlete, greatest athlete this league may ever see. But he plain sucks at basketball. His BBall IQ at its peak is 12.
LeBron: Incredible physical speciman, sucky Basketball player.
Kobe: Good athlete, above average in most everything he can do, and he can do everything. But he knows basketball better than anyone in the league. He is the smartest man in the NBA.
Gliebhard 7 months ago
@Gliebhard oh fuck you, how about Michael Jordan?
AutoShotgun27 7 months ago
@AutoShotgun27 Michael Jordan had the best of both worlds. Im a Laker fan and i have no problem admitting Michael Jordan is the greatest basktetball player of all time. Why cant you just say 'How about michael jordan?' please dont throw in childish words.
Gliebhard 7 months ago
@Gliebhard no. check your comment first before you comment cause you said here" He is the smartest man in the NBA." That's not correct, if I were you I would like to say" He is one of the smartest man in the NBA."
AutoShotgun27 7 months ago
@AutoShotgun27 Last time i checked MJ wasnt playing in the NBA anymore. Being the smartest player in the league doesnt make you the best. It takes skill which is obvious.
Gliebhard 7 months ago
@Gliebhard
Lebron sucks? He had like 52 points and a triple double in Madison Square garden. How is his B-Ball IQ 12? He finds his open teammates and creates plays thats why he averages more assist than kobe
FrictionZero 7 months ago
@FrictionZero Because people were afraid of Lebron. Lebron is NOT a good basketball player he is just an incredible athlete. Call me when he has 5 rings that he won without Wade and Bosh. Btw wade is better than lebron and he showed that in the finals. Kobe has always been in the top 5 SG in avg. assists. Him being a ballhog has always been a myth.
Gliebhard 7 months ago
@Gliebhard how does rings determine how good a player is? Because last time I checked basketball is a TEAM sport. How about you call me when Kobe wins a championship WITHOUT being bailed out by a team mate? His last championship was owed to Ron Artest stepping up when Kobe CHOKED and went 6-24 in game 7 of the series
alfeovictor 3 weeks ago
@Gliebhard if kobe is so smart, then why does he jack up unnecessary shots that are harder than they should be...
alfeovictor 3 weeks ago
I was at this game, greatest performance I've seen in my life, will never forget this game
Viewer305212 7 months ago
si lebrom es el rey este tiguere viene directo de dragon ball conbertido en super sayayin ni el carajo puede con el.. jajajaja
myelchucho 7 months ago
Kobe is an amazing scorer..... and thats it
MuzicXfreak 7 months ago
LeBron can't beat kobe's record
WeaponOfficer 7 months ago
that must be soo desperating when your coach says he comes back to earth and then he score 34 points in the second half
DRoseorCP3 7 months ago
Hahahaha he Looke Up When He said Hell Come back on Earth
MsIsaacgarcia 7 months ago
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brunolrhl 7 months ago
"He's gonna go back to earth"? HAHAHAHA. Yea Right Mr.Knicks' Coach, why don't you get your head back to earth? :)
ambrosiaaaaaa 8 months ago
booo kobe sucks other wise they would of not got sweep be mavs Leborn wade howard Rose r all better
rey619heyboy 8 months ago
@rey619heyboy wow ur stupid... it takes a team to lose
aristides1002 8 months ago
@rey619heyboy you are funny mate
elirdxhemaili 7 months ago
FREAKKYYY!!!! this has 61 dislikes LOOOOL
russellmvphoenix 8 months ago 22
@russellmvphoenix lol just as u said that, somone has to dislike it twice 2 make it 63
OfficialAK4 8 months ago
@mikenotnumber1
"I literally come online and just type [for the hell of it] to get a good laugh and use some [foul language]".
-- mikenotnumber1 on runelord37's page
Clearly the words of someone who's just on YouTube for distance & irritation
blackadam06 8 months ago
@mikenotnumber1
"You told me there was no illegal defense"
I never said that, so stop doing what U do best: lying
blackadam06 8 months ago
LeBron travelled.
ap23atwal1 8 months ago
To anyone who thinks the Knicks fans was jumping the bandwagon its called giving credit where credit is due , something you jordan nuthuggers never do
cod4modernwarfare2ex 9 months ago
@cod4modernwarfare2ex
The only "credit" one deserves is what they've actually done & consistently do on the court.
If U give someone credit outside of that, then that's what U TRULY call "nuthuggin", which is what U idiot kobe homers are known for..
blackadam06 8 months ago
@blackadam06 so you expect Kobe to average 61.0 points per game?
cod4modernwarfare2ex 8 months ago
@cod4modernwarfare2ex
What are U talkin' about?
blackadam06 8 months ago
@mikenotnumber1 Are you listening clearly?Wilt had amazing size to go with great athletic ability.Todays players are almost all freak athletes, and damn sure are more athletic and bigger than the players in Wilts days. Im not saying wilt wouldn't dominate todays era, cause he might have been able to, just not in the way he did in his era, the talent level is just to high now. He could average 25, n 15 im sure of it, but not no damn 50 n 25. Shaq coulda ave the same #s had he played in Wilts era.
SportsNutt123 9 months ago
@mikenotnumber1 Did you even read what I wrote? I just said it's not just about height, players over the last 2 decades have a heck of alot more athletisim to go with their size, as aposed to the status that played in Wilts days.
SportsNutt123 9 months ago
@mikenotnumber1 Haha dumb trolls
idkfoo6 9 months ago
@idkfoo6
U can believe that bullshit if U want to kid..
I told that moron mikenotnumber1 that there was no "defensive" 3-second rule back in the 80s & 90s because there wasn't, only an offensive one..
That's what I said..
And I dare U or anybody else to prove me wrong..
I don't have to troll, I just state the facts..
blackadam06 8 months ago
@mikenotnumber1 Not to mention Wilt didnt have a 3 second rule for the first half of his career, kinda wierd how he never averaged over 30 once that rule came into effect...
SportsNutt123 9 months ago
@mikenotnumber1 Are you 5?...Kareem came into the league when Wilt was on his way out, they played what..3 years together?...And Wilt wasnt even averaging 15 points a game at that time...Bill Russell wasonly 6'9 to his 7'1....and its not just height, the players then didnt have the athletic ability to go with it that the players in the past 2 decades had....He would have never averaged 20+ boards a game against a Shaq, Ewing, Robinson, Hakeem, Dwight, Bynum, Duncan.
SportsNutt123 9 months ago
@mikenotnumber1 Wilt did it against abunch of short white guys...please...Wilt wouldnt average close to any of those numbers in the modern era...Its the same as a 21 year old playing against a 10 year old...
SportsNutt123 9 months ago
@mikenotnumber1 hey mike TYPE in Kobe Vs Jordan Part 2. February 1st,1998. Thats where blacabitch and all his friends ran off to
iRelaspedAgain 9 months ago
2:12 your better than mike AHAHAHA
ap23atwal1 9 months ago 19
@ap23atwal1 I tend to agree with this minority opinion.
wiseonekms 8 months ago
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@wiseonekms
Then why can't guys like U EVER show us where him alleged being better, has consistently translated into BETTER seasons from him, especially in this era where the rules have been changed to FAVOR guys like himself?
U kobe homers are the ONLY group of fans of a player who are DUMB ENOUGH to insist that he's better, while consistently NOT producing better results the 1 place that would PROVE it: the court
wiseonekms = typical delusional kobe homer
blackadam06 8 months ago
@ap23atwal1 michael beasley maybe?
LonghornDynasty 8 months ago
u see how kobe can score 61 but lebron cant score over 58
Kdogcentral5ables 9 months ago
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@Kdogcentral5ables
Kobe's taken 36+ shots 21 times in the reg season for his career and has only cracked 50+ pts 9 times.
LBJ's only taken 35+ shots 3 times in his entire career, and cracked 50+ pts in 2 of 'em!! If he wasn't so busy trying to be a team player & was more selfish, he'd blow this game & Kobe's career 50+ pt game totals out of the water..
Please go educate yourself and get some damn perspective on the game, B4 trying to claim what someone allegedly "can't do" dumb ass...SMH
blackadam06 8 months ago
@mikenotnumber1 lol he ran to his black hole bcuz he cant handle facts. facts that prove him wrong and prove that he;s just a dum kid.
iRelaspedAgain 9 months ago
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@mikenotnumber1
"where did you run to again?"
Nowhere..
Praying Rose would lose with the bulls? What? SMH..
Ok Rose will be the youngest MVP in the history...what's your point? Why would that bother me?
blackadam06 9 months ago
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@mikenotnumber1
MJ has AT LEAST 7 seasons of shooting 4-5% ABOVE the league avg. MJ consistently shot as good or better than the league average, kobe consistently only shoots 45%, not to mention he avg's LESS ppg too.
And when it comes to 3pt shooting, BOTH consistently shot BELOW league avg but MJ has 4 seasons shooting above the league average in 3pt%, kobe only has 2..
blackadam06 9 months ago
@mikenotnumber1
Like I said, got a link?
"do you not follow the game"
Come now mike...U know better than that
blackadam06 9 months ago
@mikenotnumber1
Yeah prime...
"You do not think that Kobe could get 30 a game"
He hasn't shown to the ability to do that in a few years..
"Its not what the game is about"
But this is a "comparison" between 2 players, not a discussion on how the game's played. Those are 2 different arguments..
Try & keep up will ya..
"he choose not to"
Just like he "chooses" to consistently miss more than half his shots every season too huh?
blackadam06 9 months ago
@mikenotnumber1
"Phil Jackson on kobe bryant just yesterday "Kobe's will is the strongest of any player I have ever coached."
Got a link & name to the article or video where he allegedly said this?
Please show & tell..
blackadam06 9 months ago
@mikenotnumber1
"but watching the game..obviously longer than you"
Yeah right..
"The NBA was dead til those two took over and changed it for good"
Bird & Magic? I agree..
blackadam06 9 months ago
@mikenotnumber1 lol these guys r dummies if i was u i wouldnt even post vids and waste my time. they cant accept the fact that their bum ass fav player "MJ" Played in a watered down ass league.
iRelaspedAgain 9 months ago
@mikenotnumber1
"what they do not tell you...is what some of those players did to MJ"
What you're CONVENIENTLY leaving out is that in all of those examples U listed, that was a 39-40 yr old, past his prime MJ they did that against, not a prime MJ.
The fact that U constantly do this, just proves what your agenda is: smear MJ.
Given his age at that time, what he did against them (in their prime at that), is MORE IMPRESSIVE than anything they did against him..
blackadam06 9 months ago
@blackadam06 "MJ scored 40+ pts "4" times in '02...two were vs Top 10 defenses (1 was against the #1 ranked defense)." as a matter of fact .wen he went up against a championship team(a kobe lead laker team may i add). he went 8-20 for 22 points. then again wen he went head up with kobe again that year HE HAD a TOTAL OF 5 POINTS!!!!!. I OWN u mj homers off every time LOL. AND BTW THE HORNETS WERE SO BAD THEY HAD TO RELOCATE AND CHANGE THEIR WHOLE FRANSHISE LOL
iRelaspedAgain 9 months ago
@iRelaspedAgain
Minus scoring, a 39 yr old MJ in '02 put up BETTER avg's in virtually EVERY category than kobe has THIS SEASON, so that ought to tell ya something.
Secondly, MJ only had 5 pts in that game because he left with an injury U fuckin' idiot! U kobe homers are ALWAY trying to build kobe up by using what he did against a past his prime MJ, which just shows HOW DESPERATE U morons are in your childish attempts at propping him up to MJ's level..SMH
blackadam06 9 months ago
blackadam06 jordan left with a ankel injury late in the 3rd quarter u fukn idiot!!!!! lol kobe avgd more points than mj in 02 plz dont even try that. in FYi IM a Lebron fan not Kobe. Kobe dominated mj ass n 02. And i got the stats to prove it. Once again OWNED... TRY AGAIN
iRelaspedAgain 9 months ago
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blackadam06 9 months ago
@iRelaspedAgain Are you trying to raise an argument that kobe was better than Jordan was at 39-40?? Seriously, if Kobe was....what that fuck does that prove douche bag?? Jordan is GOAT get a brain and get over it.
bwink23 9 months ago
@bwink23
Exactly..
Does this idiot not realize that this isn't a PRIME MJ he's assessing?
2002
MJ: 23ppg 5apg 5rpg 42% shooting <--- ages 38-39 (past his prime)
KB: 25ppg 5apg 5rpg 46% shooting <--- ages 23-24 (prime yrs)
He BARELY outperformed MJ in '02, and he was IN HIS PRIME LOL!!
blackadam06 9 months ago
@blackadam06 NBA players dont reach their prime at 23-24 years. At that age, theyre still developing. The reach their primes at 28, 29
idkfoo6 9 months ago
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@idkfoo6
What?!!
That's BULLSHIT!!!
How old are U?!!
A player's prime STARTS around 24, and extends thru age 28-29, sometimes 30 yrs old!
WTF are U talkin' about?!!
blackadam06 9 months ago
@bwink23 "jordan the goat get over it" lol no not @ all. mj was and still is the most popular basketball player to ever live. and has the most influence of any player. that alone gives him " the goat" acclaim and he was a legend top 5 or or 3 or 2 players ever wen it came to the court no doubt. But.... Wen it comes to pure ball skills and dominance on both sides of ball THE GOAT Was Wilt.
iRelaspedAgain 9 months ago
@bwink23
Highest ppg in a season> Wilt 50.4 MJ; 37.1
Most games with 70+ points> Wilt: 6 MJ: 0
Most games with 50+ points> Wilt: 119 MJ: 30
Most points in a game> Wilt: 100 MJ: 69 in overtime
Highest fg% in one year> Wilt: 73% MJ: 54%
Mj Sucks wilts dick with a nurse cap on
iRelaspedAgain 9 months ago
@iRelaspedAgain
yes Wilt was great. But he didnt really had competition.And when he had,he choked. Also the 100 point game was a joke.Look it up to see what happened.
feniath20 9 months ago
@feniath20 he choked? do u kno he avgd 38.8 points and a 61 fg% vs bill russell? and he avgd 35 ppg and 57% vs kareem wen wilt was like 300 years old? lol and great competition? did mj really have great competition? LOL Come back with some stats or something chump
iRelaspedAgain 9 months ago
@iRelaspedAgain Nigga is you retarded?
DeAndrizzlefyed 9 months ago
@iRelaspedAgain MJ actually has 34 games with 50+ points. The 100 point game is in triple overtime. Wilt had no boundaries, and they had to change the rules because of him. He would literally goal tend and perform offensive interferences all the time. He had no rules to stop him though. MJ could do a lot of things Wilt couldn't offensively. So which pure ball skills???
DegenerationXkid101 9 months ago
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@iRelaspedAgain
"kobe avgd more points than mj in 02"
I know that, but here's what they BOTH did during the 1st half of that season:
MJ: 25ppg 6rpg 5apg 47.2 FG%
KB: 26ppg 5rpg 5apg 45.4 FG%
That's in THIS ERA...when MJ was just a SHELL of his former self.
Had he not gotten injured B4 the All Star break, who knows what he would've continued to do, and he was 39 yrs old LOL!!
In fact, MJ played 30 games past the age of 40, and in that span he avg'd 23ppg 7rpg 4apg..in THIS ERA LOL!!
blackadam06 9 months ago
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@mikenotnumber1
"I see you are back to cut and pasting again"
I see you're back to rambling about nothing again..
"you tried to tell me a certain set of rules never existed"
No Defensive 3-second rules existed prior to '05...that was the offensive 3-second rule
"then ran once you saw they did"
U make me run? Yeah right..
blackadam06 9 months ago
@mikenotnumber1 lol u ran blacabitch and bwink off props to u. lol. I Crush these mj homers daily with facts and stats and video proof and they cant handle it
LebronJamesHoopz 9 months ago
@mikenotnumber1 ALL DAY BITCH!! you post an illegal 3-seconds from the old game, and i got some swamp land to sell you!! don't post them, you know you can't little bitch....keep talking shit and NOT POSTING SHIT...your just exposing your silly ass with every spam post that doesn't include a link....post the links girl, post them.
bwink23 9 months ago
@bwink23 - Your azz got served up!...the rule has been around since th 60's .....
Idiot Jordan stans ruining basketball one post at a time
thebruceblitzchennel 9 months ago
at 2:15 the guy in the blue shirt says " ya betta then mike! " , i think that might be fag code for he wants to suck some nba allstar dick.... hes a great ball player but not the greatest of all time.
karatecamel 9 months ago
@karatecamel - Only a Jordan Jocker like yourself would think about Sucking f@t D!KZ when a homey recognizes game when it's in his face..
Kobe>MJ
Next
thebruceblitzchennel 9 months ago
@thebruceblitzchennel..... yea and when your dad sneaks into your room at 2am i hope you can recognize his man size, all kidding aside kobe is incredible but i bet when hes 38 or 40 he won't drop 50 points in a NBA game, but guess who did?
karatecamel 9 months ago
@karatecamel mj dropped 50 wen he was 38? so he did it 1 time and it was against a wac team so sdfu
LebronJamesHoopz 9 months ago
@LebronJamesHoopz
When a 38 yr old MJ scored 51 vs Charlotte in '02, they were a Top 10 defense, and made it to the 2nd Rd of the playoffs, so how did they "suck"? As always, your comments are ignorant & make NO SENSE at all...SMH
Secondly, MJ scored 40+ pts "4" times in '02...two were vs Top 10 defenses (1 was against the #1 ranked defense).
Kobe only did it once that year, and it was against a non Top 10 defense at that.
Once again you've been owned...and I release U
blackadam06 9 months ago
@blackadam06 hornets had no players on the all defensive team. had no players who were top 20 in blocks. but did have baron davis who was #2 in steals. but he wasnt guardn mj. they allowed 103.ppg which in this current day would b fuckin horrible. they were # 10 in defense which is not elite. not even great. 1-4 elite. 5-9 great 10-18 middle of packand the rest is bad. and "good teams" dont get beat in the playoffs in 5 games by a team that hasnt won a championship in 25 plus years
iRelaspedAgain 9 months ago
@thebruceblitzchennel
"I don't think [anybody] will [ever] really touch what Michael has done for the game. They may be able to [break a record] he had or maybe win more championships, but Michael's image will [always stand], and his greatness will [never be superseded]."
-- Phil Jackson: "Michael Jordan's contributions will never be eclipsed"; nba.com Aug 27, 2009
U can go back to your "kobe's the greatest" fantasy island and finish playing with your coloring books now..
blackadam06 9 months ago
@blackadam06 - Bir and Magic did "more for the game" then Jordan....Jordan moved shoes.
Kobe is better at basketball...NEXT
thebruceblitzchennel 9 months ago
@thebruceblitzchennel
Only in the minds of idiots like yourself..
blackadam06 9 months ago
@blackadam06 Oscar Robertson- "Lebron is in a class of his own"-espn
iRelaspedAgain 9 months ago
@iRelaspedAgain
"I think with Michael in terms of what [he's done], has [gone as far] as you can. I don't think [anyone] can play this game [any better] than [he played]."
-- Bill Russell: "The Jordan Phenomenon"; pbs . org online newshour
blackadam06 9 months ago
@blacadam06 "He's God disguised as Michael Jordan"
yea that was b4 he saw lebron james LOL
LebronJamesHoopz 9 months ago
@mikenotnumber1 i don't give a fuck what you cut and paste bitch, it's time not mine....it's no wonder you won't post links, cuz it could take the rest of your wasted life. i own you bitch your mine.
bwink23 9 months ago
So many blocks of text. This scares me.
asaadcanlulz 9 months ago
@mikenotnumber1 i don't give a fuck about words on paper bitch, i know the game, and i know how it was called mother fucker! Post the links you dumb fuck, try your best your gonna need it spambot ! you first, me second...ALL DAY LITTLE BITCH, ALL DAY LONG!
bwink23 9 months ago
@mikenotnumber1 Keep forwarding the vid D-bag....while your at it, why don't post links some RELEVANT links to some defensive 3-seconds calls in the lane.....you know you can't little bitch, YOU KNOW YOU CAN'T..i don't want examples of average illegal D calls then i already know about, give the Defensive 3....come on bitch shock the world terd herder.
bwink23 9 months ago
@mikenotnumber1 /watch?v=tfaxusuEIcI ........at 1:27, WIDE OPEN LANE, lakers-celtics 2010....defensive 3-second rule in full affect.....now what little boy, gonna cry yourself to sleep in your Kobe nutsack pillow??
bwink23 9 months ago
@mikenotnumber1 ALL DAY LONG!! i own your ass.period, LOSER SPAMBOT
bwink23 9 months ago
from 0:24- 0:30 Kobe is blowing his hand because he knows he's gonna be on fire.
persaudharriram 9 months ago
@mikenotnumber1 post some defensive 3-seconds loser....still waiting
bwink23 9 months ago
@mikenotnumber1 /watch?v=-KFbmOjqHco goto :45....who's Oliver Miller guarding asshole ??? He's camping in the lane and isn't even giving Stacey King a second thought, who by way isn't no where near him !! ALL DAY LONG BABY! ALL FUCKING DAY! RANDOM MY ASS!
bwink23 9 months ago
@mikenotnumber1 /watch?v=eNcoKkmpdM4 goto 1:43.....what the fuck is that guy on the Phoenix Suns doing? His man is out on the wing and he's under the basket setting up camp!! BLATANT 3-seconds today no way around it! Random clips?? Dude i can do this ALL FUCKING DAY! They didn't call it dumb shit, there was no set "defensive 3 second" call back then! THE END!
bwink23 9 months ago
@bwink23 u dont know WTF UR TALKING ABOUT. BACK N MJ DAY RULES WERE WAY EASIER. Only knock u have on this era is no hand checking which players still do anyway . lol
LebronJamesHoopz 9 months ago
@mikenotnumber1 What have we been preaching this whole time THE DEFENSIVE 3-SECOND OPENS UP THE LANES FOR OFFENSIVE PERIMETER PLAYERS. Point fucking blank. That WAS NOT SO for those in the 80's and 90's...Bigs camped in the lane all the time. This does not happen today, unless there are already offensive players in it....DUH! That is the whole damn point SPAMBOT.
bwink23 9 months ago
@mikenotnumber1 i can post examples of guys camping in the lane ALL DAY LONG!
bwink23 9 months ago
@mikenotnumber1 Sagging too far off your man on the weak side isn't a defensive 3-second call dipshit ! you don't have to be in the lane to be called for it MORON! Today, ANYONE not within an ARM'S REACH of his man while in the paint gets whistled ! In other words, if an offensive player is in the lane, all he has to do is back up a few feet and pull his man out of the lane! That is the benefit of defensive 3 seconds you imbocile! NO ONE can be in there unless actively guarding someone. DUH
bwink23 9 months ago
@mikenotnumber1 NBA 1984 Finals Game 7 "Celtics - Lakers" (part 8) goto 1:50, bottom left hand corner...2 guys hanging in the paint, automatic defensive 3-seconds today...one defender didn't even follow his man, he just hung out wating for something to happen....LOL first vid i went to, you want some more of that bitch?? i own your ass.
bwink23 9 months ago
@mikenotnumber1 i already know those types of plays could get you an illegal defense dumb ass...i said....post some examples of DEFENSIVE 3-seconds in the key!! DUH!
bwink23 9 months ago
@mikenotnumber1 What the fuck?? where is the defensive 3-second calls?? i don't see none of that shit in your posts...i see a weak side defender sagging and not following his man at the 3-point line...that's not defensive 3-seconds you DUMBSHIT!! give me some links you fucktard!
bwink23 9 months ago
@mikenotnumber1 LINKS OR BULLSHIT !! YOU PICK!!
bwink23 9 months ago
@mikenotnumber1 You've had over a week to find some A-! links for your defense...and you don't have shit. And i know why...LOSER
bwink23 9 months ago
@mikenotnumber1 i saw pippen's illegal D...it wasn't even a 3-second call, cuz he wasn't in the lane at all!! post some links bitch.
bwink23 9 months ago
@mikenotnumber1 No it won't....it happened all the time, like you said ! should be easy for you, you've had over a week to find some, and you still don't have shit....lame
bwink23 9 months ago
@mikenotnumber1 BLAH BLAH BLAH why can't you do something as simple as post some links? are you too fucking stupid?
bwink23 9 months ago
@mikenotnumber1 post it bitch!! god i'm owning you so bad right now! post the footage, what's the matter?? can't find it ?? but it happened all the time! give the links fucker, don't you know how to use youtube?
bwink23 9 months ago
@mikenotnumber1 Post the defensive 3-seconds bitch....keep looking !!! HA!
bwink23 9 months ago
@mikenotnumber1 Where is the defensive 3-seconds moron?? i know what illegal D they called back then...lol your so dumb....everyone knows why you can't post it....cuz it didn't happen!! LOL!
bwink23 9 months ago
@mikenotnumber1 Post an example of defensive 3-seconds back then you fucking tard...you can't cuz your a douchebag....i win, you lose....AGAIN
bwink23 9 months ago
@mikenotnumber1 AHHH...i find it Pippen roaming on D, wasn't even in the lane you moron !!! Your amazingly stupid.
bwink23 9 months ago
@mikenotnumber1 where is the footage dumbass??
bwink23 9 months ago
@mikenotnumber1 Just as i thought...a pussy....as usual....post the footage jackass, if it happened all the time you should have no problems finding it....your looking like a dumb ass avoiding it.
bwink23 9 months ago
@mikenotnumber1 As i've stated before...i can post examples from almost any youtube clip of 80's games of it not being called. BOOK doesn't translate to what happened on the floor. There is a reason why they were eliminated, cuz they were TOO DIFFICULT TO ENFORCE. I"m still wating on your video clips showing the calls. No more book quotes, give me the footage..you post the links, i'm not doing your footwork for you, cuz i already know i'd be wasting my time finding a needle in a haystack.
bwink23 9 months ago
@mikenotnumber1 Mikey....you can say the book had a vague rule for zone defense, that didn't allow the defender to hang out in the lane.....the reason why that shit don't fly, is because it was never called....i'm only enough to know how the game was called back then. illegal D was mainly called in 2 instances....1) Defender must be above the free throw line when opponent is at the 3-point line...2) you must COMMIT to a double team. no faking it....that's it....bigs camped ALL THE TIME
bwink23 9 months ago
@mikenotnumber1 my thing is with sports is they should have a set of rules and stick to them.. obviously there's certain things that needed to be tweaked with time..but im more or so talking about the drastic changes. Look at how the NFL opened up their passing game and other apsects with the rule changes..its not even just NBA its sports in general, it irritates me seeing leagues changing the rules to help or make things easier..as they want to open up the more appealing aspects..money money
falkner23 9 months ago
@mikenotnumber1 disrespect greats?what great have we disrespected huh? There's a long list with your fanboy self there Jordan obviously then Shaq then LeBron then Magic even guys like Wade And then Ewing and everyone who played vs Jordan..it's all about Kobe..the Jordan lebron shaq hate triangle does little to dispel that lol.
falkner23 9 months ago
@mikenotnumber1 you have been shutdown you have not answered anything..we owned you so badly on the rule changes you now act like you hate them aswell..when we know you love them. 68 has already been shutdown in the early 80s they made it legal to camp in the paint..how many times does this need to be repeated..it's why they decided in 2002 to put the 3 second violation back in..go read the rules why change something that's there..stop being so stupid..finished.
falkner23 9 months ago
@mikenotnumber1 Yeah, I realize that I made a mistake sorry I couldn't add anything to the discussion.
kileer7 9 months ago
@kileer7 You made no mistake..he's been on here all upset over the rule changes that have opened up the game..and he is now pretending he cannot stand them aswell..as he has no answer for them. all while denying the video evidence coaches and league officials on the same info he keeps repeating that has been shutdown..it's becoming a tire act..yet he can go on all year.
falkner23 9 months ago
@mikenotnumber1 Oh sorry. My fault man.
kileer7 9 months ago
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kileer7 9 months ago
@mikenotnumber1 keep on ignoring are posts.. you haven't answered anything lol yet we have answered and shutdown all of yours..yet you continue to ignore ares over and over..see how you slyly went off the original topic. there is no no need for us to really post anymore..bwink and black have gone..as this topic was finnished/shutdown and has now been over a while ago..what's the point of repeating it all again. Peace
falkner23 9 months ago
@mikenotnumber1 I don't want any part of a Kobe vs Jordan argument, or era vs era argument. I'm simply going to provide the answer to "what were the rules..not ur excuses". Once again I have no dog in this fight, and I don't want to insult or belittle anyone.
kileer7 9 months ago
@kileer7 New Rules that helped open up scoring:
1999-00 1. In the backcourt, there is no contact with hands and forearms by defenders. In the frontcourt, there is no contact with hands and forearms by defenders except below the free throw line extended in which case the defender may only use his forearm. In the post, neither the offensive player nor the defender is allowed to dislodge or displace a player who has legally obtained a position. continued
kileer7 9 months ago
@kileer7 Defender may not use his forearm, shoulder, hip or hand to reroute or hold-up an offensive player going from point A to point B or one who is attempting to come around a legal screen set by another offensive player. Slowing or impeding the progress of the screener by grabbing, clutching, holding “chucking” or “wrapping up” is prohibited.
kileer7 9 months ago
@kileer7 2. Any defense is legal on the strong side. Defenders must remain on the weak side outside the paint unless they are double-teaming the ball, picking up a free cutter or closely guarding an offensive player.
kileer7 9 months ago
@kileer7 2000-01
1. If a player is fouled when he has a clear-path-to-the-basket, he gets one free throw and his team gets possession of the ball at midcourt.
2. Previously, the player received two free throws.
3. No contact with either hands or forearms by defenders except in the frontcourt below the free throw line extended in which case the defender may use his forearm only.
kileer7 9 months ago
@kileer7 continuation: 4. Neither the offensive player nor the defender will be allowed to dislodge or displace a player who has legally obtained a position.
5. Defender may not use his forearm, shoulder, hip or hand to reroute or hold-up an offensive player going from point A to Point B or one who is attempting to come around a legal screen set by another offensive player.
kileer7 9 months ago
@kileer7 continuation: 6. Slowing or impeding the progress of the screener by grabbing, clutching, holding “chucking” or “wrapping up” is prohibited.
7. On the strongside, any defense is legal.
8. On the weakside, defenders must remain on the weakside outside the paint unless (i) they are double-teaming the ball, (ii) picking up a free cutter or (iii) closely guarding an offensive player.
kileer7 9 months ago
@kileer7 2001-02
1. A new defensive three-second rule will prohibit a defensive player from remaining in the lane for more than three consecutive seconds without closely guarding an offensive player.
2. Brief contact initiated by a defensive player will be allowed if it does not impede the progress of the player with the ball.
kileer7 9 months ago
@kileer7 2004-05
1. New rules were introduced to curtail hand-checking, clarify blocking fouls and call defensive three seconds to open up the game.
It is widely known that after the hand-checking rule started being interpreted differently beginning in the 2004-05 season. Players started penetrating better and the floor became more spread.
kileer7 9 months ago
@kileer7 As a result, scoring has risen every season. Shooting percentages have also risen since 2004-05 regardless of location -- at-the-rim shots, short- and deep-mid range and 3-pointers. Because of this rule players couldn’t play as tight defense because a foul would automatically be called.
kileer7 9 months ago
@kileer7 continuation: Sometimes statistics and facts don’t tell the whole story, and I think sometimes the best way to analyze something is by getting expert opinions.
1. Ron Artest claimed that if he defended Jordan in his prime, that Michael Jordan "would drop 50 on me".
2. During a 2007 L.A. Lakers pre-season broadcast, Phil Jackson was asked how he thought Michael Jordan would perform today, Phil said: "Michael would average 45 with these rules."
kileer7 9 months ago
@kileer7 continuation:
3. "You can't even touch a guy now," says Charlotte coach Larry Brown. "The college game is much more physical than our game. I always tease Michael [Jordan], if he played today, he'd average 50."
4. “The history book inspires them to be some of the best,” said Jordan. “Rules have changed to help them. I could have averaged 50 points today!”
kileer7 9 months ago
@kileer7 continuation:
5. Question for Clyde Drexler: In the current league where there is no hand checking and no ruff play how much better would your numbers be?
kileer7 9 months ago
@kileer7 continuation: Clyde Drexler: "Oh, tremendously better, from shooting percentage to points per game everything would be up, and our old teams would score a lot more points, and that is saying something because we could score a lot back then.
kileer7 9 months ago
@kileer7 continuation: I do think there should be an asterisk next to some of these scoring leaders, because it is much different trying to score with a forearm in your face. It is harder to score with that resistance. You had to turn your back on guys defending you back in the day with all the hand checking that was going on. For guys who penetrate these days, it's hunting season. Yes, now you can play (floating)zone(legally), but teams rarely do."
kileer7 9 months ago
@kileer7
6. "The defensive rules, the hand checking, the ability to make contact on a guy in certain areas .... [have] all been taken away from the game. If Kobe could get 81, I think Michael could get 100 in today's game." - Scottie Pippen January 2006
kileer7 9 months ago
@kileer7 continuation:
7. Craig Hodges is the Lakers shooting coach, get a look at what he said:
Q: If you could take one player in their prime, would you take Michael Jordan or Kobe?
A: M.J., all day. There's no comparison. M.J. could score 100 points in this era. You can't hand-check now. Imagine that trying to guard M.J. It would be crazy.
kileer7 9 months ago
@kileer7 continuation:
8. Hall of Famer Rick Barry, a keen observer of the game, said he would love to see players of the past getting to attack the basket under the new officiating. “They’d score a lot more,” he said.
9. Tex Winter said. "Players today can get to the basket individually much easier."
kileer7 9 months ago
@kileer7
10. Asked if he could defend Jordan under today’s interpretation of the rules, Dumars first laughed, “It would have been virtually impossible to defend Michael Jordan based on the way the game’s being called right now.”
kileer7 9 months ago
@kileer7 Hopefully I provided some useful information, if not then I'm sorry for wasting everyones time.
kileer7 9 months ago
@kileer7 lol very useful info..we have posted most of this on here already..but it's ignored for obvious reasons.
falkner23 9 months ago
@mikenotnumber1 ya boring..I get why bwink keeps posting "yawn" your too repetitive ..go back read through are post we have shutdown everything you said..you got shutdown on the rule changes so you went off subject..you continue to ignore are posts..and repeat the same old post we already answered and silenced. You could continue doing this repetitive trolling cycle of spam posting for the rest of this year as you have proven.. a no life.. you have spent all season doing this with shaqpop LMAO
falkner23 9 months ago
@falkner23 *you're too repetitive
falkner23 9 months ago
@mikenotnumber1 these drastic rule changes started in 2000 and really went all out in 05.. when Stu Jackson made sure they were fully enforced. Many coaches, players "current" and ex have spoken out about how much it has opened up the perimeter game..and made many things much easier..they have pushed out the big man..and made it all about the perimeter game thanks to the rules..look no further than 6ft1 Parker leading the league in total points scored in the paint for 2 straight years.
falkner23 9 months ago
@mikenotnumber1 2002: A new defensive three-second rule will prohibit a defensive player from remaining in the lane for more than three consecutive seconds without closely guarding an offensive player. 2004/2005: New rules were introduced to curtail hand-checking, clarify blocking fouls and" call defensive three seconds to open up the game"
falkner23 9 months ago
@mikenotnumber1 I'm honestly wondering if you're remedial man..do I have to explain this to you like a 5 year old. How many times do you need me to repeat myself...do I need to go and re post everything again? we have gone over everything, yet you continue to post around it all. I'm honestly cool with u bro, I just find this crazy man. We have already specifically posted league guys and coaches dismissing illegal defense..saying the rule was useless and not followed..as it was so hard to call.
falkner23 9 months ago
@mikenotnumber1 this is what you do repeat repeat repeat..this is why I have stayed away from your trolling commenst for a while..as I just do not have the time to waste doing this rubbish of repeatedly shutting down the same posts over and over..only to see them repeated again and again..while you are continuously overlooking all are posts for obvious reasons lol.
falkner23 9 months ago
@mikenotnumber1 lol is stu jackson your new number 1 enemy? as he's exposing your lies and agenda?
falkner23 9 months ago
@mikenotnumber1 we have already shutdown your posts..for once answer ares.. explain the 3 second violation that was put in? this rule would not be put in if it was already in place..common sense man use..we just showed you a surplus of info of guys breaking down the impact of the 3second violation..of guys saying the most misunderstood rule was the illegal defense which was impossible to call and overlooked by all coaches..stop making excuse and dancing around are post for once.
falkner23 9 months ago
@mikenotnumber1 yes mikenot ..stu Jackson is now uncredible when it comes to the rule changes of the league he helps run..seriously man??..oh let's just write off what the vice president of basketball operations and control of this league has to say on rules that they changed..you know considering he was all over the rule changes with Stern, and one of the main masterminds behind them..let's just ignore him as your upset with the truth..whatever works for you man.
falkner23 9 months ago
Stu Jackson specifically pointed out how proud they were of the impact the 3 second violation had, when they put it in.. on his nba review. They loved how much it opened up the perimeter for easier driving lanes and so on.. and with the results of taking out all the grabbing holding handchecking ..it had a awesome effect..no longer could defenders handcuff the wing players
falkner23 9 months ago
Mikenot your clearly lacking common sense.. there was no 3 second violation in the 80s or 90s..if there was there would have been no need for Stu Jackson to have made the changes he did..come on you cannot be that stupid dude lol
falkner23 9 months ago
@falkner23
I've already pointed out that he's referring to the "offensive" 3-second rule, but the defensive 3-second rule didn't come into existence until '05..
He's just doing what all kobe homers do when they're pinned by the facts: deny..deny..deny, while insisting that he's right, or will just start to make a lot of baseless excuses..
blackadam06 9 months ago
@blackadam06 yeah i came across a fanboy a while ago,who was trying to sell the offensive 3 second violation as the defensive 3 second violation. i will never understand how these certain individuals can make endless excuses like this for another man while being so ignorantly blind to the ''truth''& facts, its most likely why many refer to them as Kobesexuals lol as their love for him seems to be more than just basketball,as they always seem to be overlooking the truth and making so many excuses
falkner23 9 months ago
@falkner23 *can make endless excuses and lies
falkner23 9 months ago
"In a [zone defense] like Seattle [plays], they're just going to [double-team] him (MJ) [all the time]."
-- Phil Jackson: "NBA Finals Notebook; Jackson Can't Picture The Nets in His Future"; by Mike Wise, June 4, 1996
blackadam06 9 months ago
Mikenot i know you love Kobe hes your alltime fav..but overlooking this huge surplas of evidence we have posted is ridiculous dude.
falkner23 9 months ago
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blackadam06 9 months ago
"Our teams are zoning [now]. Rule or [no rule] (illegal defense). We're not allowed to use the word `zone' but [it's a zone]"
-- Dick Motta: "A Twilight Zone: "The NBA has this rule about illegal defense"; Associated Press, 1996.
this right here is just backing up what Rod Thorn said in the quote i posted below.
falkner23 9 months ago
"In Thomas, the Pistons have a quick defender who knows the intricacies of their [zone defense] when Detroit is playing the Jordan Rules. Thomas [often] has the job of [bouncing around] on the perimeter, sometimes making an [all-out] effort to [double-team] Jordan. Sure, sometimes he [should be] whistled for [illegal defense], but he [rarely] is."
-- Jack McCallum: "Mission Impossible"; Sports Illustrated, Nov 6, 1989
blackadam06 9 months ago
Checkmate
falkner23 9 months ago
@mikenotnumber1 LMAO i think this right here answer yoru post straight up
"Perhaps the biggest confusion of all was the [tougher] illegal-defense rule to [combat zone defenses.]"
-- Rod Thorn; "The Sports of times; combating handchecks the world over"; Nov 6, [1994]
falkner23 9 months ago
@ 1:50 they have the clip i was talking about form the 93 finals.
falkner23 9 months ago
@mikenotnumber1
It's just a simple question to answer, so I'll ask again: what were Nance & Ehlo doing to MJ B4 the inbounds play?
blackadam06 9 months ago