After all the shame\humiliation the defense went through in the courts and their hometown of Dover, it is horribly disgusting someone is still trying to justify it, only religious people\criminals could sink this low
@system01 Judge Jones did no such thing. Only someone as ignorant as you would make such a claim. shame and humiliation go along with the territory when you engage in perjury as the defendants did. I am in no way defending that, fool.
What I am defending is the expert testimony of the ID experts who did not lie about anything and whom the opposition never touched. what is disgusting is the hit piece nova did with their BS. Got any more stupid comments ?
@jsloan777 If "Judge Jones did no such thing" then what's the difference between ID and creationism?
Also the only other major organization that actually support ID is islam. So much for the the Scientific aspect of ID. Even though christians and muslims have teamed up in support of ID they still haven't been able to get it in any credible educational institution. WHY?? well because ID is BS\Creationism.
@system01 ID does not require a supernatural force as Behe pointed out and Jones ignored. Crick's Panspermia theory and SETI's explorations are examples of ID in action.Credible educational systems? you mean like the NGS who put fraudulent fossils on display? You mean like the ones who put Haekel's fraudulent embryo drawings in biology textbooks ? That's real BS !!!
Shallow and surface logic, name calling, selective conclusions...this Sloan fellow is a riot! I'll watch the other three parts if for no other reason than morbid amusement. I hope no one actually PAID him for this work...
@jsloan777 - You CAN read, right? Fish your head out of your *** and realize that I am replying in generality; your video content is vaccuous and largely conclusive based on your own point of view. Many of the tenets of your conclusions are supposition and speculation and have no reasonable foundation outside of the realm of your mind.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I have two businesses to run and was interrupted by your reply in my Inbox. It merits a BRIEF response but nothing more.
@beaviselectron Generalities is all you have, Try getting into detail and I'll be impressed.
And if you're too busy with your businesses, don't get involved in debates that you can't engage in. Empty rhetoric from you doesn't mean squat to me.
@jsloan777 - Actually, the proper grammatical response would be to say "Generalities ARE all you have", not "is." Might add credibility to your argument if you could properly construct a sentence. Or maybe not.
And I don't have time to bait you, so I won't. But my unwillingness to continue does not validate your argument: Religion is NOT science. The Kitzmiller case simply publicly pronounced it and helped to set a precedent, especially when showing how the defendants lied.
@beaviselectron What a joke you are. a typical know-nothing Atheist who who has nothing to offer up, but knit-picking and empty rhetoric. And your unwillingness to continue speaks volumes as to you being nothing but an empty suit. Blah blah blah.
@jsloan777: And I guess that world view would be honesty, integrity and the rule of law?
If ID really wants to be taken seriously, very difficult as they've had over 2 decades to show evidence for their view, then the proponents of ID need to bring for their evidence. So far, zilch.
just like the rest of the know-nothings that have responded to this thread, you have nothing to offer in rebuttal to the video but empty rhetoric. Do you even know how to make an informed argument or counter argument ? Or are you satisfied being a Darwinist lemming all your life? Darwinism is the biggest myth ever promoted in the name of science. As for the court, Jones couldn't even get the facts straight.
@tretrioeciii All people like you do is continue to spout empty rhetoric. Not a single counter argument to to any of the points made in the video ! But of course that's because you don't know squat about it . All you know how to do is parrot the empty rhetoric of those like you. You totally ignored my challenge to you to off er counter arguments to support your bogus claims. You don't even know that Judge Jones lied in his decision. But that's typical of Darwinist lemmings like you.
@jsloan777 That's the whole point. Challenge all you want. This particular engagement is over. This fight is over and years gone. There is no turning this one case around. Even the opposing attorneys have stated in the very same documentary that they were given a fair trial. A court of LAW has given it's judgement. Not even God can change the outcome of an event he has allowed to happen in the past. Start a new argument. You and yours have lost this one.
@tretrioeciii No the point is that you don't know what you are talking about. You had an activist Judge who wouldn't let the FTE who wrote Pandas to defend their book in the trial, and a Judge who lied in his decision.
Maybe that's your idea of how a court of LAW should act but it sure isn't mine. And even more telling is how Nova manipulated the events of the trial in their documentary so ignorant lemmings like you would swallow it hook line and sinker. And they succeeded. Live with your myth.
And just like the child that you are, you can't address any of the points made with a counter argument. Just saying that I'm wrong isn't an argument. How sad for you that you choose to keep yourself in ignorance of the facts.
@knobcheese22 Really? Hmmm , Nobel Prize winner Francis Crick was a prominent proponent of Directed Panspermia. Darwinist Ken Miller said that it was a scientific theory. and requires intelligent design for it's basis. You can argue with Miller if you like. He's one of your boys.
@sculpt2live Aw boohoo, the trolls are all unhappy that they can't get their vulgarities posted on my threads and are jumping up and down stomping their feet like little children.
That's what troll filters are for genius !!
People who actually have something to present in the form of argumentation and informed rebuttal have no problem getting approved.
@sculpt2live The only thing that is tripe is your response. You're the typical no-nothing Darwinist lemming. Instead of addressing a point or two in rebuttal all you can do is give unsubstantiated.criticism. What a surprise !!!
science is never Truth with a big T. Every scientist know that new evidence will change what is known , and may alter the theory. "Blowhard" is a classic example of ad hominem, doesnt help your position. Padian is more recent than Gould, he should know what current theory says.
@SqueakerAlpha So let me get this straight, you're suggesting that Padian knew that the Gould quote was dated because of some alleged new discoveries over the past 20 years and instead of informing the examining attorney of this fact, Padian instead chose to berate Gould in absentia for not knowing what he was talking about ? I don't think Padian would take kindly to such a suggestion that he would of such low character to do that. Especially from someone on his side of the fence.
@jsloan777 no not at all. I am saying that Padian is currently working in the field and Gould is dead. Dead people can not stay current in a changing field , so any thoughts they had are of neccesity dated. The idea of taking any opinion as relevant because of its source is absurd.
I hope you aren't supporting the views of the whackjob giving the speech in this video. Intelligent Design is Creationism, and Creationism is a biased religious viewpoint, not science.
@NUTCASE71733 Try growing up and learn something. Apparently all you know how to do is ridicule and call people names. Very juvenile. I noticed you had nothing to offer in rebuttal to anything from the video. what a surprise.
Judge Jones summed up what ID is all about.
After all the shame\humiliation the defense went through in the courts and their hometown of Dover, it is horribly disgusting someone is still trying to justify it, only religious people\criminals could sink this low
system01 1 month ago
@system01 Judge Jones did no such thing. Only someone as ignorant as you would make such a claim. shame and humiliation go along with the territory when you engage in perjury as the defendants did. I am in no way defending that, fool.
What I am defending is the expert testimony of the ID experts who did not lie about anything and whom the opposition never touched. what is disgusting is the hit piece nova did with their BS. Got any more stupid comments ?
jsloan777 1 month ago
@jsloan777 If "Judge Jones did no such thing" then what's the difference between ID and creationism?
Also the only other major organization that actually support ID is islam. So much for the the Scientific aspect of ID. Even though christians and muslims have teamed up in support of ID they still haven't been able to get it in any credible educational institution. WHY?? well because ID is BS\Creationism.
system01 1 month ago
@system01 ID does not require a supernatural force as Behe pointed out and Jones ignored. Crick's Panspermia theory and SETI's explorations are examples of ID in action.Credible educational systems? you mean like the NGS who put fraudulent fossils on display? You mean like the ones who put Haekel's fraudulent embryo drawings in biology textbooks ? That's real BS !!!
jsloan777 1 month ago
Shallow and surface logic, name calling, selective conclusions...this Sloan fellow is a riot! I'll watch the other three parts if for no other reason than morbid amusement. I hope no one actually PAID him for this work...
beaviselectron 1 month ago
@beaviselectron And what a surprise, no rebuttals coming from you just empty rhetoric.
Try rebutting an argument for a change and show me that you actually know something.
jsloan777 1 month ago
@jsloan777 - You CAN read, right? Fish your head out of your *** and realize that I am replying in generality; your video content is vaccuous and largely conclusive based on your own point of view. Many of the tenets of your conclusions are supposition and speculation and have no reasonable foundation outside of the realm of your mind.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I have two businesses to run and was interrupted by your reply in my Inbox. It merits a BRIEF response but nothing more.
beaviselectron 1 month ago
@beaviselectron Generalities is all you have, Try getting into detail and I'll be impressed.
And if you're too busy with your businesses, don't get involved in debates that you can't engage in. Empty rhetoric from you doesn't mean squat to me.
jsloan777 1 month ago
@jsloan777 - Actually, the proper grammatical response would be to say "Generalities ARE all you have", not "is." Might add credibility to your argument if you could properly construct a sentence. Or maybe not.
And I don't have time to bait you, so I won't. But my unwillingness to continue does not validate your argument: Religion is NOT science. The Kitzmiller case simply publicly pronounced it and helped to set a precedent, especially when showing how the defendants lied.
beaviselectron 1 month ago
@beaviselectron What a joke you are. a typical know-nothing Atheist who who has nothing to offer up, but knit-picking and empty rhetoric. And your unwillingness to continue speaks volumes as to you being nothing but an empty suit. Blah blah blah.
jsloan777 1 month ago
Point 1: If everyone who has ever lied can never be taken at their word again, it is impossible for anyone to take anyone else seriously.
sacrosanct24 6 months ago
@sacrosanct24 Instead of making excuses for the liars why not try and find out why they needed to lie?
apparently you don't care why since they share your world view.
jsloan777 5 months ago
@jsloan777: And I guess that world view would be honesty, integrity and the rule of law?
If ID really wants to be taken seriously, very difficult as they've had over 2 decades to show evidence for their view, then the proponents of ID need to bring for their evidence. So far, zilch.
sol3a1 3 months ago
Does this guy think the trial is still taking place?
Someone should the poor guy that the court ruled against him and the fairy tale known as intelligent design.
Mythology belongs in in the library not the laboratory.
tretrioeciii 10 months ago
@tretrioeciii (YAWN)
just like the rest of the know-nothings that have responded to this thread, you have nothing to offer in rebuttal to the video but empty rhetoric. Do you even know how to make an informed argument or counter argument ? Or are you satisfied being a Darwinist lemming all your life? Darwinism is the biggest myth ever promoted in the name of science. As for the court, Jones couldn't even get the facts straight.
jsloan777 10 months ago
@jsloan777 It's not empty rhetoric to say the subject of this video is whining about a decision in a fair and open trial.
His side lost.
Creationism and intelligent design, are not scientific principles.
Poofing something into existence may indeed be mystical, but it is not scientific.
Darwinism is not a myth.
It is a scientific theory that has physical evidence to support it's claims.
The only thing creationists have to support them is empty rhetoric and a book written 2000 years ago.
tretrioeciii 10 months ago
@tretrioeciii All people like you do is continue to spout empty rhetoric. Not a single counter argument to to any of the points made in the video ! But of course that's because you don't know squat about it . All you know how to do is parrot the empty rhetoric of those like you. You totally ignored my challenge to you to off er counter arguments to support your bogus claims. You don't even know that Judge Jones lied in his decision. But that's typical of Darwinist lemmings like you.
jsloan777 10 months ago
tretrioeciii 10 months ago
@tretrioeciii No the point is that you don't know what you are talking about. You had an activist Judge who wouldn't let the FTE who wrote Pandas to defend their book in the trial, and a Judge who lied in his decision.
Maybe that's your idea of how a court of LAW should act but it sure isn't mine. And even more telling is how Nova manipulated the events of the trial in their documentary so ignorant lemmings like you would swallow it hook line and sinker. And they succeeded. Live with your myth.
jsloan777 10 months ago
And just like the child that you are, you can't address any of the points made with a counter argument. Just saying that I'm wrong isn't an argument. How sad for you that you choose to keep yourself in ignorance of the facts.
jsloan777 10 months ago
You were wrong, and you are still wrong, and you really need to just accept that like an adult.
Coryscott5 10 months ago
"Creationism" or "Intelligent Design" whatever you wanna call it is not science!!!!!!
knobcheese22 11 months ago
@knobcheese22 Really? Hmmm , Nobel Prize winner Francis Crick was a prominent proponent of Directed Panspermia. Darwinist Ken Miller said that it was a scientific theory. and requires intelligent design for it's basis. You can argue with Miller if you like. He's one of your boys.
jsloan777 11 months ago
@sculpt2live Aw boohoo, the trolls are all unhappy that they can't get their vulgarities posted on my threads and are jumping up and down stomping their feet like little children.
That's what troll filters are for genius !!
People who actually have something to present in the form of argumentation and informed rebuttal have no problem getting approved.
jsloan777 11 months ago
@sculpt2live The only thing that is tripe is your response. You're the typical no-nothing Darwinist lemming. Instead of addressing a point or two in rebuttal all you can do is give unsubstantiated.criticism. What a surprise !!!
jsloan777 11 months ago
science is never Truth with a big T. Every scientist know that new evidence will change what is known , and may alter the theory. "Blowhard" is a classic example of ad hominem, doesnt help your position. Padian is more recent than Gould, he should know what current theory says.
SqueakerAlpha 1 year ago
@SqueakerAlpha So let me get this straight, you're suggesting that Padian knew that the Gould quote was dated because of some alleged new discoveries over the past 20 years and instead of informing the examining attorney of this fact, Padian instead chose to berate Gould in absentia for not knowing what he was talking about ? I don't think Padian would take kindly to such a suggestion that he would of such low character to do that. Especially from someone on his side of the fence.
jsloan777 1 year ago
@jsloan777 no not at all. I am saying that Padian is currently working in the field and Gould is dead. Dead people can not stay current in a changing field , so any thoughts they had are of neccesity dated. The idea of taking any opinion as relevant because of its source is absurd.
SqueakerAlpha 1 year ago
@SqueakerAlpha I'm not aware of anything recently discovered that has changed what Gould argued against.
If there had been any such finds they would have made headline news. If you've got something to point to go ahead.
jsloan777 11 months ago
I hope you aren't supporting the views of the whackjob giving the speech in this video. Intelligent Design is Creationism, and Creationism is a biased religious viewpoint, not science.
NUTCASE71733 1 year ago
@NUTCASE71733 Try growing up and learn something. Apparently all you know how to do is ridicule and call people names. Very juvenile. I noticed you had nothing to offer in rebuttal to anything from the video. what a surprise.
jsloan777 1 year ago