DEN HAAG - Geert Wilders bouwt aan een internationale koepel voor organisaties en personen die in zijn ogen net als de PVV „knokken voor vrijheid en tegen de islam”. Hij streeft ernaar om de zogenoemde International Freedom Alliance (IFA) eind dit jaar te presenteren met geestverwanten in de Verenigde Staten, Canada, Verenigd Koninkrijk, Duitsland en Frankrijk.
The Imam who carried a sword in his film , he didnt do that against the west. He is an Iraqi, This happend after Abu Gharib prison scandal by the american army pigs. He called for defending the human rights agianst those animals. But look how Wilders used it. He used an Imam with a sword video with Arab clothes to terrify the westerners.But he didnt say the truth. The whole film is so . I cant right everything. Wilders offending ppl and this can not be allowed according to the law. ( see next )
Iam not against the freedom of speech. But against abusing it , and crossing the borders. I cant say lies against a group and put them in danger and say its my freedom to have my opinion. If he is civilized and modern humanbeing , he can discuss honorably with the ppl with respect . And for all the ppl who had seen the video. It was full of lies. He cut pieces of speech here and there to make muslims look bad. I give an example: The Imam who raised a sword in the film (see the next message plz)
This is not freedom of speech. Freedom of speech have limits and borders. These r : not to insult anyone and not to put anyone in danger.Geert Wilders put the muslim of the Netherlands in danger of killing and discrimination. There is a pregnant muslim lady was stabbed ten of times till death in the nearby Germany by an extremist bec she wears headscraft. It can happen anywhere in Europe. He also insulted alot of ppl and that cant be.Iam not against freedom of speech but ( see the other message)
What if to blapheme is a calling, a hobby. I certainly like it. If one may pray openly without being locked up in a mental institution then anything goes!
P V V is losing its touch in the poll of October 2009 they dropped again hhahahahahahahah
(CDA) Christian Democrats still leading in Holland no good either however better than this drop out Geert, he should have stayed in law school instead of making twisted media movies
Religion isnt teaching exterminating all non religious people you stupid fucking assholes. These islamic stone age fuckheads need to be killed, starting with the women.
This comment is really inappropriate. Advocating the death of a whole peoples is wrong - no matter how you try to justify it.
I am not censoring this comment, because it is important to show that even though this type of attitude 'is out there', we all need to realize it and speak up against it!
Militant Islam is a danger to our freedoms.
So is advocating the killing of a whole class of people.
Until they censor the net... Some places are already contemplating only allowing people onto the internet IF they have a valid INTERNET LICENSE - where all they would do, link, view, type.... would be recorded and subjected to review to make sure it is 'acceptable' and 'within guidelines'.....
You are allowed to USE the freedom of speech, but you aren't allowed to MISUSE it. Furthurmore, anyone who calls geert wilders speech as a 'freedom of expression', you have two problems with this, which either one of them is true, or both.
Wilders has said on more than one ocassion that he is NOT criticising individuals. The critique or analysis of an ideology does not constitute insult. If some individuals choose to take this as an insult, this is not Wilder's fault. There can be no growth or change without analysis or criticism.
You are mixing a few very, very different things, treating them as if they were one and the same.
Inciting violence against a group of people is NOT THE SAME THING as 'hurting someone's feelings' or 'offending someone'.
There is - and MUST NEVER BE - any such thing as 'the right to not be offended'!!!! Because if there were, we would not be able to have ANY religion (including Islam), or just about any speech beyond perhaps solving mathematical equations!!!
Geert Wilder is saying about Koran that it should be banned from society,about our prophet 'He is phedophile'! And you call this a 'freedom of speech'?
You've NEVER heard and you never will from muslims saying about Jesus those stupid 'free epressions' like phedophile and whatsoever.Are muslims stupid not to distinguish hatred between freedom of speech?I say NO! And everyone HAS the right and freedom of speech,but there must be rules and responsibilities too, on how you use that freedom.
Actually, that is NOT what Geert Wilders said. I disagree with him on most of what he says, but let's keep to the facts here.
Geert Wilders said that IF Hitler's 'Mein Kampf' is banned as hate speech, THEN the Koran should be banned also because they BOTH argue for the same thing: the extermination of all Jews.
Drawing a parallel - and a rather obvious one - is not the same as denying freedom of religion.
You say that religions disagree with each other and offend each other.
When you say disagree, I fully agree, but when I dont agree when you say that they offend each other because it is true among other religions but Islam should not be included here. You gave an example between Buddhism and Hindu, but you have never heard muslim offending christianity,and say this is a freedom of speech.
Muslims belief that Jesus was nothing but a minor prophet and that he did not die on the cross offends EVERY Christian.
The Christian belief that Jesus was the son of God offends Muslims.
There is no middle ground between the two.
The Hindu belief that there are many Gods and Goddesses offends Christians and Muslims alike. The Christian and Muslim belief that Hindu Gods and Goddesses are 'false' offends Hindus.
It is not true that christians in Arabia have been shut up,and the freedom of speech 'DOES' exist,since Islam teaches that we should respect other religions too,so christians in Arabia are safe and sound,and they have no reasons to complain for their rights. But there is amazingly such a big difference with the muslim rights in western countries,and the best example is Netherlands,where geert wilder (which you are defending) is trying to even eliminate Islam, not to exist EVEN ONE SINGE MUSLIM.
you are doing, like Geert Wilders is allone, but he represent his voting people, and all over Europe right partys get voted, because Islam get a threat with its hatefull politics, and other partys did not respond on that.
And you all are defending this people, who are terrorists in the name of Islam, that means you agree with terrorism and hate, what they preach. Is that freedom of speach for you? Geert Wilders is not the problem, but the reaction of your hateful Islamic politics. If you would condemn yourself this Imams and Terrorist who teach hate in the name of Islam, we would have no problem. Geert Wilders and his voters don't feel hate, but have to take measures against your hatefull politics, same Nazis
I personally do not agree with terrorism, but OK,there can be some muslims defending terrorism,but if a 'person' or a group of people support terrorism,not all the muslim world should be blamed.And it's not true that imams teach hate.U've never been in a mosque in reality so that you could listen to what imams teach in real.And 'HOWCOME' you complain about Israel?!That's rediculous! What do you think about Israeli p.m. Benjamin Netanjahu,who said that Jerusalem will be Capital city of Israel?!!!
You are in denial, there are many hatefull imams even on youtube, just look that and the response of muslims, not one that say, this is not good or you harm the community, so everybody agree. (or is scared) And there are more countries now, who don't agree with Israel and pressure their politics, but terrorism don't help nobody. And you are wrong, I was well in a mosque, what I saw was, muslims show outside, and secret they do different
EVERY SINGLE RELIGION has - in its time - spawned terrorists: people who would spread their religion through the use of terror!
The only way religions can be kept from destroying society (by creating conflict between different religions) is to limit their power to religious matters: teachings of their particular way of spirituality - and to prevent them from legally enforcing their 'rules' onto people: there must be no compulsion in religion!
We must all start by speaking out against limits on the freedom of speech.
We must OPPOSE all laws that limit speech which would be 'offensive', ESPECIALLY laws limiting speech which would be offensive to religions!!!
After all - if the religion is true, it is WE - the blasphemers - who will be punished, not the 'believers'. So, it is none of their problem if we choose to blaspheme...
Therefore, we must let our voices be heard. And we must reject all censorship laws.
Xanthiappaa.....the very fact that they defend themselves so violently (muslims) tells me that they know they are guilty of what we all accuse them....domination of the planet....and we have to keep fighting against them silencing us......if we don't speak up there will be no more free western world....this is what our grandfathers fought for...there are no limits to what I would do to fight islamisation......I welcome the challenge...at least it is out in the open now...
Most Islamists (not Muslims, but Islamists - BIG difference) agree they are guilty of oppressing 'freedom of speech'. However, they think that is a 'good thing'!
They WANT to oppress us - believe it is their DUTY to oppress us!
It's the whole 'golden rule' thing, taken to an extreme!
In their eyes, WE have strayed from 'THE path' - and they truly believe they are doing us a favour by trying to 'set us right'!
Xanthiappaa...thank you for this information...I am always searching to understand....this helps a lot....I am a true believer that there are no bad intentions....and you have just proved me right.....they think they are helping us....arrogance is what I call that.....how dare they say there is something wrong with us.....our path is fine....
That is THE problem with 'fanatical believers' - of EVERY type!
WHAT they believe is secondary to HOW they believe - and their absolute conviction that THEIRS is the ONLY RIGHT path, and that the world will end/be harmed/catastrophies will occur - anything apocalyptic, really - IF they don't get EVERYONE to behave in the PROPER ways.
Fanatics are part of human experience. We know that. But, we must learn to deny all fanatics the power to control the rest of us!
Now you are right. Elhamdulilah that we agreed in this. But the bad thing is that nonmuslims like ''geert wlder'' are not blaming some people who comit terrorism in the name of Kur'an, but they are using them to justify their hatred against Islam. Can't you see what geer wilder is talking bullshit about the whole muslim world, about Kor'an, about Mohammed (s.a.w.s)? Are you blind? Is this really a freedom of speech?! NO ! This is a ''freedom of hatred against Islam''. May God punish him! Amin.
Because you all defending terrorists in the name of Islam, you create people like Geert Wilders and thats why people have no good word for you. And this is no hatred, like you Islamists have, but defence against your hatefull Islamic politics, who take freedom of speech to preach hate against the west and Israel. I not everything agree with Geert Wilders, but as long you all have hatefull ideas against us, I will, like more and more people, vote him.
wherever is Islam, there is no free speech, thats why you have to read the book called quran, that you know what is good and bad, so who is stupid, schipda
EVERY religion runs into this issue at one time or another: letting people say what THEY want MIGHT offend OUR God!
THAT is why Freedom of Speech MUST trump religious sensitivities, every time! Because, there are MANY religious, and each one offends the others. Without the freedom to offend ONE religion, there would not be the freedom to worship of OTHER religions....OR the freedom NOT to worship at all!
I don't agree that other religions offend each other except Islam. Earlier I also liked Islam, till they now show their real face and it is just hatefull politics. Real Religion is about love, only the way to exercise is different, but the result should be the same. It is not possible to have one religion, because we are not all in the same spiritual level, that is OK with me, but non of them should be allowed to preach hate like Islam do.
Yes, all other religions plant hatred in peoples hearts and feelings against Islam. Islam is the most tolerant religion of all.Arabia is a muslim country, but there are christians too.Have you ever heard about non-muslim arabians complain from muslims? NOT AT ALL! Only Islam teaches love. Anti islamists have found the way how to curse islam using torrorist attacks, but only one short verse of the Holy HUR'AN , elhamdulilah, turns down all kaffirs' lies about Islam.
And tolerance you can see nowhere in Islam, just look all the dictatorships in Islamic countries and what happens to people, who don't belong to that community.....
'Not hearing complaints' is not the same as 'there are no complaints'!!!
Christians in Arabia have been marginalized and shut up: no Christian places of worship are allowed by Saudi law! Freedom of speech does not exist in Saudi Arabia!
If one is forbidden from speaking out, their complaints will hardly be 'heard'!
Of course other religions disagree with each other and offend each other's beliefs! Look at the recent conflict between Buddhists and Hindus in Sri Lanka!
The oppressive government - Buddhist.
The terrorists fighting them - Hindu.
Religion is the dogmatization of spirituality. It imposes outside rituals and laws on how spirituality may or may not be practiced: these rituals and religious laws clash with each other by necessity!
Good that you seem to have understood finally that KUR'AN teaches people what is good and what is bad. Even you would have been good to read it, and then you would have had a better opinion about Islam. I don't know how you can come up with wrong conlusions based on your low level of mind and knowledge about KUR'AN.
We have learned in school allready the difference between god and bad, and the stupid ones have to read a book of that all their lifes and still don't understand it, thats why are terrorism and hatred in Islam
Saying things that are offensive to 'religions' is the MOST IMPORTANT ROLE of Free Speech: NOTHING and NOBODY is above criticism!
Humans being what they are: if ANYTHING is 'above criticism', bad humans WILL corrupt it, no matter HOW GOOD it originally was... And people who 'run' religions have a lot of power over others: THAT is why they, and everything they teach, MUST be OK to criticize - to keep them honest!
all he did was rape freedom of speach to insult every muslim in the world.
wilders isn't a good politician because he insults muslims. his other ideas are just stupid. i'm a dutchman, i've read his political program, and its just... shit.
no sir ure hate talk is not welcome here anymore...britain is a country proud of its ppl no matter what faith we live like brothers in britain! ppl wudve reacted the same way had this movie been based on bible instead so i wud definately back ur muslim brothers over there protests...being ONE s what we in britain are all about! so piss off mate!
according to a 2004 poll by the guardian (liberal newspaper), 58% of muslims in britain want to prosecute people as criminals for criticising and insulting islam,
Of course Christians demand laws against freedom of speech!
Even here, on YouTube, many Christians are trying to shut down anti-creationist channels!
And the anti-blasphemy laws (forbidding the very belief in more than one God, or saying things against Christian dogma) are STILL on the books of many 'Western' countries!
We must see the difference between 'spirituality' and dogma (spiritual teachings chained to a specific time and place - and society).
GEERT WILDERS YOU ARE THE BEST. Fuck the UK governement, fuck the law society these days. We want Mr. Wilders for pemier. You are our hero. Those terrorists the moslims should be taken out.
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fuk youuuuu! danny huh? from denmark im assuming! stop making conspiracies aginst us britisher ure views are nt twelcome here...in the UK, muslims, christians, jews and ppl of al faith live like brothers...if someone criticizes one sect, the other automatically gets hurt..we are oneee Britain and ill be the first to defend mother britain from useless rubbish conspiracy! piss off son!!
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no fool dont put wilders words in ure mouth! stop this hatefulness...wht is happppeingggg to this worlllldddddd!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! we shd love muslims,jews,christians and everyone else!
no sir freedom of speech does not mean an outsider can come and cause harm to the beliefs of our own people!he faces charges in his own country for inciting hatred what gives him the right to spread his venom in our multi-ethinic society which we have proudly built over the years!we will not allow anyone to disrupt our national harmony..we will stand by all muslims,christians,jews and ppl of all beliefs for protecting their faith against such atrocities!this videomaker cannot be british! surely!
The Islamic Colonists in Western Societies should be EXPORTED back to their Islamic lands of origin. Human beings are resistant to give up their identities. I am surprised as to why Europeans ever thought that Muslim people would ever assimulate into the West. To ask others to assimulate is an arrogant position for which will be shown as ignorant. If Europeans don't wake up fast, they will be bowing down to Allah with a sword at their throats. Just as in the olden days in Constantinople.
Hello Im from Holland and Im really angry about the fact that this is possible in Holland now..
I like my right to say my thoughts and I will exercise my right to do so......I am really sick of hearing about Islam and their sick ideology of hate and domination...We need to fight for our rights, I will defend my right to speak my mind....The book of Islam really states that Im (and we are) a sinner a non believer and that I must be killed, look it up.Fight for your right!!!
I am standing with you Geert Wilders. I am an Iranian, ex-Muslim & I salute you for your courage and sense of duty to defend freedom. Islam or any other religion must not give any credit because those are like fantasy, those are not facts. God sent Mohammad, Allah is God, Islam is last religion all based on someone saying! Damn it, how long are we going to keep quiet and let people with such barbaric believe come to our lands & take out our best man and woman. Shame on us if we left them alone.
I am an Iranian refugee who got a safe heaven in Europe & thankful for that. I know what Islam is, it will kill every value of free world and all of US MUST stop it. How? We MUST get to power and ask muslims either change your attitude or go back where you came from and practice sharia law or bread and multiply over there. Geert MUST get enough support don't just type act too. I have asked Geert to considering establishing a universal political party with a main goal of supporting freedom.
I have found that highly religious people don't care about freedom of speech because they don't have an original thought in their head or anything of interest to say. They don't think, they just regurgitate scripture.
Pvv zionist cunts!
SiouxSyndicate 1 year ago
Yes, send your Canadian Dollars (or whatever your money is called) to Holland! Give us your money and we will save the world of the Islam. Whahaha!
knetterrrr 1 year ago
DEN HAAG - Geert Wilders bouwt aan een internationale koepel voor organisaties en personen die in zijn ogen net als de PVV „knokken voor vrijheid en tegen de islam”. Hij streeft ernaar om de zogenoemde International Freedom Alliance (IFA) eind dit jaar te presenteren met geestverwanten in de Verenigde Staten, Canada, Verenigd Koninkrijk, Duitsland en Frankrijk.
profeetmohamedis1aap 1 year ago
I wish u will let my 3 earlier messages being seen. Otherwise u r against the freedom of speech .
adl189 1 year ago
The Imam who carried a sword in his film , he didnt do that against the west. He is an Iraqi, This happend after Abu Gharib prison scandal by the american army pigs. He called for defending the human rights agianst those animals. But look how Wilders used it. He used an Imam with a sword video with Arab clothes to terrify the westerners.But he didnt say the truth. The whole film is so . I cant right everything. Wilders offending ppl and this can not be allowed according to the law. ( see next )
adl189 1 year ago
Iam not against the freedom of speech. But against abusing it , and crossing the borders. I cant say lies against a group and put them in danger and say its my freedom to have my opinion. If he is civilized and modern humanbeing , he can discuss honorably with the ppl with respect . And for all the ppl who had seen the video. It was full of lies. He cut pieces of speech here and there to make muslims look bad. I give an example: The Imam who raised a sword in the film (see the next message plz)
adl189 1 year ago
This is not freedom of speech. Freedom of speech have limits and borders. These r : not to insult anyone and not to put anyone in danger.Geert Wilders put the muslim of the Netherlands in danger of killing and discrimination. There is a pregnant muslim lady was stabbed ten of times till death in the nearby Germany by an extremist bec she wears headscraft. It can happen anywhere in Europe. He also insulted alot of ppl and that cant be.Iam not against freedom of speech but ( see the other message)
adl189 1 year ago
What if to blapheme is a calling, a hobby. I certainly like it. If one may pray openly without being locked up in a mental institution then anything goes!
isleofyew1 2 years ago
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P V V is losing its touch in the poll of October 2009 they dropped again hhahahahahahahah
(CDA) Christian Democrats still leading in Holland no good either however better than this drop out Geert, he should have stayed in law school instead of making twisted media movies
mrzwerus 2 years ago
Religion isnt teaching exterminating all non religious people you stupid fucking assholes. These islamic stone age fuckheads need to be killed, starting with the women.
skunkapotamus 2 years ago
This comment is really inappropriate. Advocating the death of a whole peoples is wrong - no matter how you try to justify it.
I am not censoring this comment, because it is important to show that even though this type of attitude 'is out there', we all need to realize it and speak up against it!
Militant Islam is a danger to our freedoms.
So is advocating the killing of a whole class of people.
WRONG!!!
And, we MUST speak up against it!!!
Xanthippaa 2 years ago
This is a eat or be eaten world. Those fuckheads dont understand our weakness. You obviously do, and perpetuate it. You obviously dont know islam.
skunkapotamus 2 years ago 2
Until they censor the net... Some places are already contemplating only allowing people onto the internet IF they have a valid INTERNET LICENSE - where all they would do, link, view, type.... would be recorded and subjected to review to make sure it is 'acceptable' and 'within guidelines'.....
This is no joke!
Xanthippaa 2 years ago
So, surtibadshah, are you claiming that the Tamils are just plain racists?
Xanthippaa 2 years ago
I hereby demand that those who say that Geert Wilders is a racist must be fined and put in jail because they hurt my feelings :o(
3xtob 2 years ago 6
You are allowed to USE the freedom of speech, but you aren't allowed to MISUSE it. Furthurmore, anyone who calls geert wilders speech as a 'freedom of expression', you have two problems with this, which either one of them is true, or both.
CURSING, OFFENDING, HURTING SOMEONE'S FEELINGS means/is:
1. Either a problem with the meaning and the concept and the understanding of the FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION
2. or insulting that person,group of people or a whole community, and inciting hatred.
BESI1980 2 years ago
BESI1980
Wilders has said on more than one ocassion that he is NOT criticising individuals. The critique or analysis of an ideology does not constitute insult. If some individuals choose to take this as an insult, this is not Wilder's fault. There can be no growth or change without analysis or criticism.
Coupal1 2 years ago 2
Actually...
You are mixing a few very, very different things, treating them as if they were one and the same.
Inciting violence against a group of people is NOT THE SAME THING as 'hurting someone's feelings' or 'offending someone'.
There is - and MUST NEVER BE - any such thing as 'the right to not be offended'!!!! Because if there were, we would not be able to have ANY religion (including Islam), or just about any speech beyond perhaps solving mathematical equations!!!
Xanthippaa 2 years ago
Geert Wilder is saying about Koran that it should be banned from society,about our prophet 'He is phedophile'! And you call this a 'freedom of speech'?
You've NEVER heard and you never will from muslims saying about Jesus those stupid 'free epressions' like phedophile and whatsoever.Are muslims stupid not to distinguish hatred between freedom of speech?I say NO! And everyone HAS the right and freedom of speech,but there must be rules and responsibilities too, on how you use that freedom.
BESI1980 2 years ago
Actually, that is NOT what Geert Wilders said. I disagree with him on most of what he says, but let's keep to the facts here.
Geert Wilders said that IF Hitler's 'Mein Kampf' is banned as hate speech, THEN the Koran should be banned also because they BOTH argue for the same thing: the extermination of all Jews.
Drawing a parallel - and a rather obvious one - is not the same as denying freedom of religion.
Xanthippaa 2 years ago
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BESI1980 2 years ago
Xanthippa
You say that religions disagree with each other and offend each other.
When you say disagree, I fully agree, but when I dont agree when you say that they offend each other because it is true among other religions but Islam should not be included here. You gave an example between Buddhism and Hindu, but you have never heard muslim offending christianity,and say this is a freedom of speech.
BESI1980 2 years ago
I am not sure I understand your comment.
Muslims belief that Jesus was nothing but a minor prophet and that he did not die on the cross offends EVERY Christian.
The Christian belief that Jesus was the son of God offends Muslims.
There is no middle ground between the two.
The Hindu belief that there are many Gods and Goddesses offends Christians and Muslims alike. The Christian and Muslim belief that Hindu Gods and Goddesses are 'false' offends Hindus.
Where is the middle ground?
Xanthippaa 2 years ago
It is not true that christians in Arabia have been shut up,and the freedom of speech 'DOES' exist,since Islam teaches that we should respect other religions too,so christians in Arabia are safe and sound,and they have no reasons to complain for their rights. But there is amazingly such a big difference with the muslim rights in western countries,and the best example is Netherlands,where geert wilder (which you are defending) is trying to even eliminate Islam, not to exist EVEN ONE SINGE MUSLIM.
BESI1980 2 years ago
Islam teaches that IT (Islam) is the only religion, and that 'freedom of religion' means 'freedom TO be Muslim' - but NOT 'freedom NOT to be Muslim'.
Be honest here. I am well educated on this.
Xanthippaa 2 years ago
you are doing, like Geert Wilders is allone, but he represent his voting people, and all over Europe right partys get voted, because Islam get a threat with its hatefull politics, and other partys did not respond on that.
jeanblanche666 2 years ago
And you all are defending this people, who are terrorists in the name of Islam, that means you agree with terrorism and hate, what they preach. Is that freedom of speach for you? Geert Wilders is not the problem, but the reaction of your hateful Islamic politics. If you would condemn yourself this Imams and Terrorist who teach hate in the name of Islam, we would have no problem. Geert Wilders and his voters don't feel hate, but have to take measures against your hatefull politics, same Nazis
jeanblanche666 2 years ago
I personally do not agree with terrorism, but OK,there can be some muslims defending terrorism,but if a 'person' or a group of people support terrorism,not all the muslim world should be blamed.And it's not true that imams teach hate.U've never been in a mosque in reality so that you could listen to what imams teach in real.And 'HOWCOME' you complain about Israel?!That's rediculous! What do you think about Israeli p.m. Benjamin Netanjahu,who said that Jerusalem will be Capital city of Israel?!!!
BESI1980 2 years ago
You are in denial, there are many hatefull imams even on youtube, just look that and the response of muslims, not one that say, this is not good or you harm the community, so everybody agree. (or is scared) And there are more countries now, who don't agree with Israel and pressure their politics, but terrorism don't help nobody. And you are wrong, I was well in a mosque, what I saw was, muslims show outside, and secret they do different
jeanblanche666 2 years ago
EVERY SINGLE RELIGION has - in its time - spawned terrorists: people who would spread their religion through the use of terror!
The only way religions can be kept from destroying society (by creating conflict between different religions) is to limit their power to religious matters: teachings of their particular way of spirituality - and to prevent them from legally enforcing their 'rules' onto people: there must be no compulsion in religion!
THAT is why secular laws MUST allow insults!
Xanthippaa 2 years ago
Thats the best comment in this whole conversation, but what we can do about that and who will start?
jeanblanche666 2 years ago
Thank you!
We must all start by speaking out against limits on the freedom of speech.
We must OPPOSE all laws that limit speech which would be 'offensive', ESPECIALLY laws limiting speech which would be offensive to religions!!!
After all - if the religion is true, it is WE - the blasphemers - who will be punished, not the 'believers'. So, it is none of their problem if we choose to blaspheme...
Therefore, we must let our voices be heard. And we must reject all censorship laws.
Xanthippaa 2 years ago
Xanthiappaa.....the very fact that they defend themselves so violently (muslims) tells me that they know they are guilty of what we all accuse them....domination of the planet....and we have to keep fighting against them silencing us......if we don't speak up there will be no more free western world....this is what our grandfathers fought for...there are no limits to what I would do to fight islamisation......I welcome the challenge...at least it is out in the open now...
preservwestculture 2 years ago
Yes. But,
Most Islamists (not Muslims, but Islamists - BIG difference) agree they are guilty of oppressing 'freedom of speech'. However, they think that is a 'good thing'!
They WANT to oppress us - believe it is their DUTY to oppress us!
It's the whole 'golden rule' thing, taken to an extreme!
In their eyes, WE have strayed from 'THE path' - and they truly believe they are doing us a favour by trying to 'set us right'!
Xanthippaa 2 years ago
Xanthiappaa...thank you for this information...I am always searching to understand....this helps a lot....I am a true believer that there are no bad intentions....and you have just proved me right.....they think they are helping us....arrogance is what I call that.....how dare they say there is something wrong with us.....our path is fine....
preservwestculture 2 years ago
That is THE problem with 'fanatical believers' - of EVERY type!
WHAT they believe is secondary to HOW they believe - and their absolute conviction that THEIRS is the ONLY RIGHT path, and that the world will end/be harmed/catastrophies will occur - anything apocalyptic, really - IF they don't get EVERYONE to behave in the PROPER ways.
Fanatics are part of human experience. We know that. But, we must learn to deny all fanatics the power to control the rest of us!
Xanthippaa 2 years ago
You all just repeat the quran, same brainwashed, but I doubt you understand what it means. The book is not bad, but the people who read it.
jeanblanche666 2 years ago
Now you are right. Elhamdulilah that we agreed in this. But the bad thing is that nonmuslims like ''geert wlder'' are not blaming some people who comit terrorism in the name of Kur'an, but they are using them to justify their hatred against Islam. Can't you see what geer wilder is talking bullshit about the whole muslim world, about Kor'an, about Mohammed (s.a.w.s)? Are you blind? Is this really a freedom of speech?! NO ! This is a ''freedom of hatred against Islam''. May God punish him! Amin.
BESI1980 2 years ago
Because you all defending terrorists in the name of Islam, you create people like Geert Wilders and thats why people have no good word for you. And this is no hatred, like you Islamists have, but defence against your hatefull Islamic politics, who take freedom of speech to preach hate against the west and Israel. I not everything agree with Geert Wilders, but as long you all have hatefull ideas against us, I will, like more and more people, vote him.
jeanblanche666 2 years ago
'Hate' is a human emotion.
It is wrong to pass laws which try to control human emotions!
People MUST be FREE to hate stuff - even religions - just as they MUST be free to LOVE these things.
These are the opposite sides of the same coin: if you allow one, you must allow the other!
Xanthippaa 2 years ago
KUR'AN says:
''Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error...' 2:256
This is clear enough for those whose eyes can see, whose ears can hear and whose hearts are open for the truth.
BESI1980 2 years ago
vote geert
fritsnl 2 years ago 4
Islam is a stupid cult for stupid people. It is hatefull and therefore no Religion
jeanblanche666 2 years ago 4
Islam is stupid forstupid people like you and the WILD geert wilder who offends others' religion and prophet in the name of 'free speech'.
BESI1980 2 years ago
wherever is Islam, there is no free speech, thats why you have to read the book called quran, that you know what is good and bad, so who is stupid, schipda
jeanblanche666 2 years ago
EVERY religion runs into this issue at one time or another: letting people say what THEY want MIGHT offend OUR God!
THAT is why Freedom of Speech MUST trump religious sensitivities, every time! Because, there are MANY religious, and each one offends the others. Without the freedom to offend ONE religion, there would not be the freedom to worship of OTHER religions....OR the freedom NOT to worship at all!
Xanthippaa 2 years ago
I don't agree that other religions offend each other except Islam. Earlier I also liked Islam, till they now show their real face and it is just hatefull politics. Real Religion is about love, only the way to exercise is different, but the result should be the same. It is not possible to have one religion, because we are not all in the same spiritual level, that is OK with me, but non of them should be allowed to preach hate like Islam do.
jeanblanche666 2 years ago
Yes, all other religions plant hatred in peoples hearts and feelings against Islam. Islam is the most tolerant religion of all.Arabia is a muslim country, but there are christians too.Have you ever heard about non-muslim arabians complain from muslims? NOT AT ALL! Only Islam teaches love. Anti islamists have found the way how to curse islam using torrorist attacks, but only one short verse of the Holy HUR'AN , elhamdulilah, turns down all kaffirs' lies about Islam.
BESI1980 2 years ago
And tolerance you can see nowhere in Islam, just look all the dictatorships in Islamic countries and what happens to people, who don't belong to that community.....
jeanblanche666 2 years ago
'Not hearing complaints' is not the same as 'there are no complaints'!!!
Christians in Arabia have been marginalized and shut up: no Christian places of worship are allowed by Saudi law! Freedom of speech does not exist in Saudi Arabia!
If one is forbidden from speaking out, their complaints will hardly be 'heard'!
Xanthippaa 2 years ago
Of course other religions disagree with each other and offend each other's beliefs! Look at the recent conflict between Buddhists and Hindus in Sri Lanka!
The oppressive government - Buddhist.
The terrorists fighting them - Hindu.
Religion is the dogmatization of spirituality. It imposes outside rituals and laws on how spirituality may or may not be practiced: these rituals and religious laws clash with each other by necessity!
The spirituality is NOT the problem.
The DOGMA is!
Xanthippaa 2 years ago
jeanblanche666
Good that you seem to have understood finally that KUR'AN teaches people what is good and what is bad. Even you would have been good to read it, and then you would have had a better opinion about Islam. I don't know how you can come up with wrong conlusions based on your low level of mind and knowledge about KUR'AN.
BESI1980 2 years ago
We have learned in school allready the difference between god and bad, and the stupid ones have to read a book of that all their lifes and still don't understand it, thats why are terrorism and hatred in Islam
jeanblanche666 2 years ago
I have read it.
Xanthippaa 2 years ago
Saying things that are offensive to 'religions' is the MOST IMPORTANT ROLE of Free Speech: NOTHING and NOBODY is above criticism!
Humans being what they are: if ANYTHING is 'above criticism', bad humans WILL corrupt it, no matter HOW GOOD it originally was... And people who 'run' religions have a lot of power over others: THAT is why they, and everything they teach, MUST be OK to criticize - to keep them honest!
Xanthippaa 2 years ago
all he did was rape freedom of speach to insult every muslim in the world.
wilders isn't a good politician because he insults muslims. his other ideas are just stupid. i'm a dutchman, i've read his political program, and its just... shit.
vikingskippen 2 years ago
no sir ure hate talk is not welcome here anymore...britain is a country proud of its ppl no matter what faith we live like brothers in britain! ppl wudve reacted the same way had this movie been based on bible instead so i wud definately back ur muslim brothers over there protests...being ONE s what we in britain are all about! so piss off mate!
nomi108 3 years ago
Support Wilders. Wilders for president.
dannyesth 3 years ago 5
i support yo mama...
nomi108 3 years ago
according to a 2004 poll by the guardian (liberal newspaper), 58% of muslims in britain want to prosecute people as criminals for criticising and insulting islam,
cyklonb1989 3 years ago 4
they shd be prosecued! absolutely...i cant see christians not responding the same way if bible was criticized
nomi108 3 years ago
Lol, Christians don't demand a law against freedom of speech.
tnolte 2 years ago 2
Of course Christians demand laws against freedom of speech!
Even here, on YouTube, many Christians are trying to shut down anti-creationist channels!
And the anti-blasphemy laws (forbidding the very belief in more than one God, or saying things against Christian dogma) are STILL on the books of many 'Western' countries!
We must see the difference between 'spirituality' and dogma (spiritual teachings chained to a specific time and place - and society).
Religions are about DOGMA!
Xanthippaa 2 years ago
GEERT WILDERS YOU ARE THE BEST. Fuck the UK governement, fuck the law society these days. We want Mr. Wilders for pemier. You are our hero. Those terrorists the moslims should be taken out.
dannyesth 3 years ago 3
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fuk youuuuu! danny huh? from denmark im assuming! stop making conspiracies aginst us britisher ure views are nt twelcome here...in the UK, muslims, christians, jews and ppl of al faith live like brothers...if someone criticizes one sect, the other automatically gets hurt..we are oneee Britain and ill be the first to defend mother britain from useless rubbish conspiracy! piss off son!!
nomi108 3 years ago
stay the fukkkkkk away from britain u hate preaching moron u are not welcome here! UK makes me proud today!!!
nomi108 3 years ago
His movie simply quotes from your precious quran.
soupcan7 3 years ago 4
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no fool dont put wilders words in ure mouth! stop this hatefulness...wht is happppeingggg to this worlllldddddd!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! we shd love muslims,jews,christians and everyone else!
nomi108 3 years ago
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no sir freedom of speech does not mean an outsider can come and cause harm to the beliefs of our own people!he faces charges in his own country for inciting hatred what gives him the right to spread his venom in our multi-ethinic society which we have proudly built over the years!we will not allow anyone to disrupt our national harmony..we will stand by all muslims,christians,jews and ppl of all beliefs for protecting their faith against such atrocities!this videomaker cannot be british! surely!
nomi108 3 years ago
The petition supporting Geert Wilders has now reached 29425 signatures.
That means :
• consistent weight for Geert Wilder's defense
• support on Geert Wilder's political engagements
• consideration regarding freedom of speech
• people awareness about the global islamization process
• pain in the ass to that bunch of islamist bigots
If you're concerned with the above statements then link to the petition and sign it now!
To get the link, Google "In Defense of Geert Wilders"
Conterminatie666 3 years ago 4
I contribute to a site called 'Defend Geert Wilders' - we also have a link to the petition!!!
Xanthippaa 3 years ago
The Islamic Colonists in Western Societies should be EXPORTED back to their Islamic lands of origin. Human beings are resistant to give up their identities. I am surprised as to why Europeans ever thought that Muslim people would ever assimulate into the West. To ask others to assimulate is an arrogant position for which will be shown as ignorant. If Europeans don't wake up fast, they will be bowing down to Allah with a sword at their throats. Just as in the olden days in Constantinople.
BraveNoble 3 years ago 3
Free Geert T-shirts!
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I bought one it was all i could afford to spend. Wish i had more money to give to his legal fund. God bless you Geert.
joy00923 3 years ago
Geert for President!
Aristotelezz 3 years ago
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Hello Im from Holland and Im really angry about the fact that this is possible in Holland now..
I like my right to say my thoughts and I will exercise my right to do so......I am really sick of hearing about Islam and their sick ideology of hate and domination...We need to fight for our rights, I will defend my right to speak my mind....The book of Islam really states that Im (and we are) a sinner a non believer and that I must be killed, look it up.Fight for your right!!!
EStokvis 3 years ago
I am standing with you Geert Wilders. I am an Iranian, ex-Muslim & I salute you for your courage and sense of duty to defend freedom. Islam or any other religion must not give any credit because those are like fantasy, those are not facts. God sent Mohammad, Allah is God, Islam is last religion all based on someone saying! Damn it, how long are we going to keep quiet and let people with such barbaric believe come to our lands & take out our best man and woman. Shame on us if we left them alone.
babak64 3 years ago 3
I am an Iranian refugee who got a safe heaven in Europe & thankful for that. I know what Islam is, it will kill every value of free world and all of US MUST stop it. How? We MUST get to power and ask muslims either change your attitude or go back where you came from and practice sharia law or bread and multiply over there. Geert MUST get enough support don't just type act too. I have asked Geert to considering establishing a universal political party with a main goal of supporting freedom.
babak64 3 years ago 4
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beShemHaMashiakh 3 years ago
I have found that highly religious people don't care about freedom of speech because they don't have an original thought in their head or anything of interest to say. They don't think, they just regurgitate scripture.
Claudia7778 3 years ago 3
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bernarnack 3 years ago 4
incredible fast after just 7 days dont you think ? :P Perhaps we will get more than 120000+ in the end of next months
DotAxLegend 3 years ago 4
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Yeap ! The more signatures this petition gets will result in :
More weight for Geert Wilders defense
More support on Geert Wilders political engagements
More consideration regarding freedom of speech
More people awareness about islamisation of the Netherlands
More failures in the overall islamisation process in Europe
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bernarnack 3 years ago 3
In Iran, they just punished a mixed male/female soccer team for playing together in public!
Just to make sure you know who your are dealing with!
cassandralibra 3 years ago 4
I do not believe this!!!
cassandralibra 3 years ago 3
This unbelievable that the dutch is attacking their own.
Eddie3dfx 3 years ago 5
The main problems are the politions they do anything to remain in their seats. But I am worry for our children and their children.
babak64 3 years ago
Yes, so am I.
I am not doing this 'for' Geert Wilders. I don't know him and I don't much like what he says.
But, if we give the politicians the power to shut him up, we will ALSO give them the power to shut US up! And our children.....
THAT is what I am fighting!
I also grew up in totalitarian state. I KNOW what is at stake here! That is why I am so upset about all this...
Xanthippaa 3 years ago
do you know where you can watch his film 'fitna'
DrewsAnimation 3 years ago 2
Look it up on youtube, Ive seen it.
camino1ca 3 years ago 3
I've got it on my Geert Wilders playlist, click my name to channel.
EncompassedRunner 3 years ago 2
Free Geert.
newtonbrook 3 years ago 7