1 - the geological evidence shows that a great flood occured in recent history, as well as historical accounts from all major civilisations (Egypt, Babylon, Greece, India, China, etc).
2 - the variability observed between any of two races of dogs can be reproduced in less than 20 generations.
Your arguments are not scientific, but since evolution is a pseudo-science, I won't criticize your lack of knowledge or rigor.
@jb0433628 Pure Nonsense! Many geologic strata like desert varnish or Tillite are not even formed by water, geology proves no flood ever happened. Neither do popular fairy tales.
2. Is irrelevant, he is talking about inbreeding, not races.
3. Many animals do not have a "male and female" gender, so the Bible story is hogwash.
well aybe the animals who boarded the ark had more genetic variability than modern animals, if time deteriorates genomes, then it is fare to assume that in the past genomes where more complete in the past.
let alone that God choosed the animals that whent in to the ark, so he would chose healthy animals with healthy genomes.
@Answerquestions1 sorry, your argument is wrong from the start. One single animal can't have variability. It has his very own set of genes, in which there are only two versions of each gene (one coming from the mothers chromosomes, one from the fathers) and that's it. If you study the most basic of genetic laws, the Mendelian ones, you'll see that inside the same species different animals can have different versions of the same gene. That said, please, first study, then comment
All Im saying is that ancient animals had more genetic material than modern animals, meaning that the cheetah argument is a strawman since no creationists claims that modern-like cheetah boarded the ark.
@Answerquestions1 so if the modern cheetah didn't board the arc, how did modern cheetahs come to be? and what proof do you creationists have that ancient animals had more genetic material? that's clearly false, we have their fossils and we know that is untrue.
because time (mutations) deteriorate genoems modern cheetah has acumulated mutations for 6,000 years, those who boarded the ark only accumulated mistakes for 1600 years this is why ancient animals had healthier genomes
but the fact is that proving that cheetah came from an ancient cat does not prove that cheetahs and fish have a common ancestor nor that fish can devole feet.
@ahuntsman1107 But you also wouldn't want such a beautiful creature to die out, which is a distinct possibility given its lack of genetic diversity. BTW, there are many examples of cheetah kittens being domesticated as pets - not that I recommend or endorse such a practice. Such a cheetah regularly featured in the ITV drama "Wild at Heart"
@mandolinic first i greatly appreciat the conduct of your response. second i dont want to see such beautiful creatures die out. and third i often here of cases where someone has raised a wolf from a pup and thought it was domesticated, just to one day be killed by it.
@ahuntsman1107 There are certainly enough cases of dogs turning on their owners for me to accept your comment about wolves. I don't think it's happened with cheetahs, but then again the number of domesticated cheetahs is far far lower; no doubt a cheetah could do you a lot of damage if it turned nasty. I think I'll stick with my common or garden pussy cat and leave the wild animals to the experts.
i think this video made a good point but pretty much all the points athiests make are not as brutal as the ones that disprove evolution for example if a dog evolved from a fish, right and in the middle we have a dogfish which wouldbe a transitional stage, it would take millions of years and the earth would be be litered with the fossils all kinds of transitional stage animals
“For example if a dog evolved from a fish, right and in the middle we have a dogfish”
It is clear that you are trying to comment on a subject that you know nothing about. You actually think there should be a half fish / half dog fossil out there. Did you think to ‘Google’ transitional fossils before posting? Did you research evolution for posting? Next time maybe you should do a little research before posting on a topic you know nothing about.
@stewpotb62 no i was showing you an example that you could easily picture in your small brain, you obviously would know what a procynosucus was if i said that.
“No i was showing you an example that you could easily picture in your small brain”
You leave a post saying that there should be a half fish / half dog fossil. When I pointed out the absurdity of this somehow I’m the stupid one. Its all OK researching mammal ancestors and naming one at random trying to make yourself look clever now. The point of my comment was that you should have done this research before leaving your first post.
The problem with that is, the bedrock of human problems isn’t reasonable, rational or logical. That is why reason and logic will never be able to solve our problems, our hatreds, our bitterness, pettiness and corrupted self-love.
Atheists are infamous for saying:
“I don’t need God in order to be a good person.”
The path of “logic” that follows that belief is:
a) “I don’t need God.”
b) “Therefore I must see myself as a good person.”
“The problem with that is, the bedrock of human problems isn’t reasonable, rational or logical.” Etc.
Cutting and pasting on another video I see. This is lifted directly from Makarios’ blog (an old favourite of yours). Have you told them all that you have an IQ of 135 yet? Or are you saving that for when someone points out your atrocious spelling?
Christians say, “The Truth that I have is something that was revealed to me, so there is no room for me to boast.”
- Christians say, “The Truth that matters in life can be found, not just by the intelligent, but even by those of limited intellectual ability, by those with little education and even by children. It’s simple. It’s easy. It can be yours.
- The Atheist says, “That’s insulting, demeaning, embarrassing and disgusting. I’ll have none of it!”
So let me get this straight. You’ve been found out cutting and pasting from the Makarios’ blog and passing it off as your own words and your answer is to cut and paste further bullshit from Makarios’ blog and passing it off as your own answer. Typical creationist dishonesty.
“Why do you make such assertions why you have no proof”
“You lie like a rug”
Because you have been arguing against evolution on another video, you’re a theist and you’ve crapped on about the accuracy of the bible. The main people who deny the reality of evolution are fundamentalist jihadists like yourself. The only person lying is the idiot passing off cut and paste shit as his own words.
And this claim turns out to another lying creationist. Why hasn't he had his 'research' peer reviewed?"-stewpotheadboiled62 >And what is a peer? Why a peer is anyone who believes in a particular "ism" as deeply as you do. "Peer review" is nothing more than a pat on the back from those who share your deeply held religious beliefs. You see, if you deny global warming then you are not a peer. Only those scientists who agree are credible "peers". That is how we get 'junk' science
Have we been transported to the fucking playground or something? You’re profile says you are 52, are you sure you haven’t misplaced the decimal point? Here’s a question for you. If your IQ is 135 as you claim. Why don’t you ever have an original thought of your own and have to rely on cutting and pasting for almost all of your posts?
I can't believe you actually spent all this time on Noah's ark. Seriously. Would you spend that much time proving the race between the tortoise and the hare never happened?
Very good arguments. I actually put this theory to the test for my university thesis on genetic algorithms. What I was essentialy trying to do there was to preserve diversity in a population, because if diversity is gone, evolution stops.
Lets see who the stupid ones are...debate me on scripture! Studying the bible is how I became an atheist. Not knowing scripture, and the fact that Judaism was originally polytheistic, is why you're still a christisn...unless you're just stupid.
The militant atheist are not happy merely to reject God themsevles as they want the world to reject God and accept their godless world veiw where there is no Moral Absolutes. Morols are opinons and no one does evil
@yeshuahfullofit you didn't ask me but i believe god is neither male or female, he chose to be called father because he designated man as leader in the families/churches it was 50/50 it would be man or woman. and you cant call the almighty Creator "it".
The conversation here has gotten stale. Is it my fault or yours? I'll start: Many xians explain that the flood was a local event. Can any atheist see how this interpretation would destroy the very power and significance of the myth to begin with? Can any xian explain how it would not? Discuss. ; )
@InternetDarkLord It would seem to save an awful lot of time and effort, wouldn't it? Instead of God commanding Noah to build this enormous craft, a simple "Head for the hills!" would have sufficed.
This video make quite a few erroneous assumptions about the flood. Here are two pages with links to dozens upon dozens of pages answering critiques on the plausibility of Noah's flood.
Do you think it makes any sense to learn your science from religious web-sites with a known agenda? Is it acceptable to use web-sites that are known to distort the truth and tell outright lies without fact checking any of their claims?
They weren’t claims they were statements of fact.. All the shit you sent is the usual creationist bollocks that has been refuted time and time again. For instance Haeckel's embryo drawings. Today they use photomicrographs. By the way nice source your using there, The lying discovery institute. Look up the Kitzmiller vs Dover trial.
This is more creationist lies. This is what the discovery institute’s pet molecular biologist, Michael Behe, had to admit under cross examination:
“The definition of 'theory' as he applied it to intelligent design was so loose that astrology would qualify as a theory by definition as well”
The DI relies on people like you. People that will never question or research the bollocks that they spew up. So they can tell people like you any old bullshit
@stewpotb62 I've already countered your claim that creationists lie, and if you really took the time to look at the counters, you would realize that what I'm saying is true. You are doing nothing more than spreading the lies of others.
“bollocks? no wonder your country is in the shitter being overrun by the muslim hordes. speak REAL english you limey faggot”
Wow! Homophobia, religious intolerance and stupidity in a single sentence. That requires a special level of ignorance that only come from a true a dick for Jesus
You’re the perfect example of evolution. It is said that man leapt from apes. It’s clear that you haven’t quite leapt far enough.
“hey dickless douche, mind your own business before i bitch slap ya.”
Have we suddenly been transported to the play ground? I fear you have drifted into an adult discussion. The rest of the little girls are giggling about Justin Bieber on another video. You better get over there quick or they will be talking about you
No idea what a chicken hawk is supposed to be. I don’t speak redneck. Maybe it’s your turn to speak "real" English and not the slang spoken around your trailer park.
Have you ever thought about getting an education? Just think you could be the first person on your trailer park that looks at more than the comic strips in the newspaper. You are a real advert for Christianity. You’re a better drum sergeant for atheism than I could ever be.
@stewpotb62 chicken hawk=pedophile=you. typical atheistic response of trailer park and lack of education jokes is booooooring. is your mind so beset with little girls that you can't come up with anything better or are you really as insipid and impotent as the world knows all british males are? ponder this as you lay in your shitty little two room flat: your country is dying, your culture is dying, your species is dying. cheerio.
The level of your education is clear by the quality of your posts. I remind you of your first post to me.
“bollocks? no wonder your country is in the shitter being overrun by the muslim hordes. speak REAL english you limey faggot”
These are not the words of an intelligent person. This is a post by a juvenile uneducated mind. A person that knows nothing about the subject they are trying to speak about save what he has misunderstood from television, Grow up
@stewpotb62 yaaaaaawn..............still boring. no wonder your enervated,feeble country is sliding into oblivion and your women live in quiet desperation. b.t.w. isn't it pronounced telly?
A simpleton says what? Did mummy have to help you with some of the big words? Now I’m sure you have some food stamps to cash in I so won’t keep you. Now why don’t you pop off and get you education above that of a mollusk and come back when you’ve grown up a little. Don’t bother replying with another of ill-educated rants. I think I’m about done with you. Give my regards to the rest of the invertebrates at your end of the evolutionary tree.
@stewpotb62 Trying to reason with these creatards is a waste of time. They invariably resort to incredibly childish name calling. I'm guessing "bucky" is a baptist hillbilly from Kentucky or someplace. I couldn't believe the ignorance of some of these posts. Is he for real, do you think?
“I'm guessing "bucky" is a baptist hillbilly from Kentucky or someplace. I couldn't believe the ignorance of some of these posts. Is he for real, do you think?”
Most creationists think that, like them, most people dropped out of education at the age of eight. They don’t realize that the stupidity of their posts are apparent to everyone reading them. They become recruitment sergeants for the cause of atheism with every word they type
@stewpotb62 your shitty little country is truly overrun by satanic muslim murderers and because of pissant,nutless,heartless,mindless,Godless,delusional,narcissistic faggots like you, its only going to get worse.
@TChapman500 *Facepalm* Dover trial...scripted. There seems to be a pattern. 1) Come up with BS 2) Use more BS to cover the BS. 3) When called on your BS, claim more BS 4) When you are utter slaughtered in public, make a BS conspiracy theory 5) Cover the conspiracy theory with BS 6) Make more BS claims.... Repeat. Dude, just go back to praying. The rest of us have meaningful lives to live.
How did the 'Stephens Island Wren', a flightless, nocturnal bird, get to New Zealand from Noah's Ark's resting point on Mt. Ararat? Inquiring minds.... ; )
very well done.but sadly I have no doubt that no matter how many real facts are brought forth those who argue against science will not bat an eye.I appreciate your hard work .
Cheetahs were almost extinct 10,000 years ago, forcing the entire species to inbreed.
This means the entire species of cheetahs have a similar genetic makeup.
IF events in story of Noah's Ark DID occur this would be the same for EVERY LIVING creature.
This is clearly false since there are so many genetic differences among humans. (Just ONE species that were supposedly on the ark according to the "Noah's Ark" story.)
I can't believe I actually used all 500 characters!
@InternetDarkLord Energy cannot be created nor destroyed only changed in form. Proves their must be a creator of this system. For something cannot be created from nothing. Look around the proof of intelligent design is everywhere. It is easy to disprove the theory of evolution because it is just a theory - an idea. There is not one piece of proof to sustain the theory except that some people look like apes.
@AikenBruce Bull Shit, physics applies differently on the quantum level, in quantum mechanics, energy is constantly created and destroyed. Gravity, electricity, and magnetism are also theories, they are all true. (In fact, this argument of yours is a moronic, discredited cliche. You are incompetent even at creationism! Are you new at this?) Evolution does not merely say people look like apes. And who designs the designer? Where did he get that energy?
@InternetDarkLord "Gravity, electricity, and magnetism are also theories, they are all true."
BS, yourself. There is no solid theory of gravity, no one knows how it really works. We have laws of gravity that accurately describe what it does, but no one know HOW it does what it does. Particle force theories have trouble with gravity because it seems to require particle faster than the speed of light.
@42base13 General Relativity describes gravity. String theory studies it. If you want to hear bull shit with no theory, ask any religious fanatic, "How do supernatural beings create life?"
@InternetDarkLord String theory has gone nowhere in 20 years of intensive study. We simply do not have a working theory of gravity that matches observation. ("Trouble with Physics" by Lee Smolin and "Not Even Wrong" by Peter Woit)
Maybe you don't want to compare theory of evolution with theory of gravity?
@42base13 Science moves forward by successive approximations of the truth. We have theory of gravity of general relativity. that matches the facts to a certain degree of accuracy. Someday, another theory will match it better, just like General Relativity improved on Newton. Newton can still be used for many gravity calculations, and so can Einstein, and someday, so will another one, by successive approximations of the truth.
@InternetDarkLord Newton's laws approximately described what gravity does. Einstein described what it does more accurately and under more extreme conditions. Neither explain how or why it does what it does.
I know what happens when I press keys on my keyboard. That's separate from knowing how the software and hardware interact to produce those results.
We know what gravity does. A theory of gravity would explain how and why it does what it does.
@42base13 General Relativity does have a model for gravity, curvature of space-time. So gravity also slows time down too. And the next theory will have a more accurate model of what gravity is as well.
@InternetDarkLord approximations of truth? you mean like einstein's relativity and the neutrinos that destroyed it?chalk another one up for cosmology.
@bucky14701 I expect another approximation of the truth will succeed relativity someday. But if you don't believe in science, why are you using a computer, running on electricity, using electronics, running on quantum mechanics...just go back to using parchment scrolls and quills, like the Old Days.
@AikenBruce Creationists claim that there was no death in the world before Eve ate the apple. What anatomy did the original created animals e.g scorpions, crocodile, cheetah, lion, killer whale, spider,have? The present anatomy of carnivores is intrinsically adapted to catching, killing & eating other animals. Did satan wave a magic wand and change the animals overnight from herbivores into the present day form? Will lions & kestrels go to hell for eating other animals?
@AikenBruce Do you know what a theory is? I do not think you do! A theory is not just an idea, a theory works when tested, but not 100% known. A theory requires evidence and must run the gauntlet of the academic process. I suggest reading up on some journal articles and quite getting your science from the bible.
@InternetDarkLord ahh, the typical mindless atheistic response to the legitimate question of origins. did you know that the Godless morons from whom you parrot have changed the paradigm once again? let me fill you in:cosmologists now say there must have been something BEFORE the big bang. wow, another brilliant proclamation from the "masters" of science.are family and friends impressed with your acute stupidity or merely ashamed. i'm pro-life but in your case i would've made an exception.
@InternetDarkLord you aren't too bright are ya? let me make this clear: GOD is eternal with no beginning or end. mmmkay? the universe is not, it had a beginning.and dont speak of the old and new testaments, you know nothing of either. b.t.w. the reductionist view of so called m theory is the biggest cop-out against any legitimate answers to existence and is used by pinheads like you to avoid the question of origins.
@AikenBruce The Conservation of Energy Law only applies to 'closed' or 'isolated' systems, it does not apply to 'open' systems. How are you doing with your creationist explanation of human endogenous retroviruses and pseudogenes? ; )
The problem with this video and the arguments it presents is that it attempts to critique a supernatural event by invoking natural principles. Even if one does not believe in the ultramundane, one still cannot justify using natural principles in an attempt at refuting a supernatural event. Simply apply this obvious principle and the straw-men blow away.
the euphratis river floods every spring, so thousands of years ago it flooded but it rained for 6 days, thus making the flooding very severe. a king put his goods and livestock onto a boat and sailed it downstream to the gulf,, this story expanded and thus became the basis for the story of noahs ark, you have to be an idiot to think that the story of the ark is ment to be literal, there is no way noah could have gotten all the billions of species on the ark etc...impossable.
I would say that clearly Satan caused the unnaturally low genetic variation of the cheetah to cast doubt on God's word.
This is really interesting to people who are already educated, but remember that if you can't say it in one breath with words that are two syllables or less, creationists are physically incapable of understanding it.
I assume the Ark carried two 100 ton Argentinosauruses, two 60 ton Sauroposeidons, and pairs of all the 200 known species of carnivorous dinosaurs including Tyrannosaurus Rex - and enough meat to feed them all for 40 days.
@EqualAndFree Of course if you were to deny the only recorded account of the creation of man you would have to make many assumptions and most of them would be false.
@AikenBruce "only recorded account"??? EVERY religion has it's own ancient 'record' of the creation of man. Depending on which 'recorded account' you read humans emerged from trees, descended from the sky, emerged like maggots from the rocks, were made from clay, came from other planets.... There's no evidence for any of these fanciful mythical 'accounts'. The only real evidence for the origin of humans are the millions of years of fossil records documenting our evolution.
@EqualAndFree Please give one example. Yes I know all about the fairy tales of evolution, and how Sir Charles Darwin already refuted his own theory. No mutation is beneficial. No matter how many mutations you have it does not change the amount of chromosones which determines the species. Seriously there is no evidence of evolution. If there was I would believe it myself.
@AikenBruce "Seriously there is no evidence of evolution. If there was I would believe it myself". Great! Try 'endogenous retroviruses and pseudogenes'. Explain those without evolution. ; )
@AikenBruce Why did god create cave insects and fishes with eyes that cannot see? Why did god create beetles with wing covers that are fused and cannot open, only to reveal withered wings that are useless for flight? "What makes the musk ox guard his musk"? -- Cowardly Lion, Wizard of Oz (1939)
@AikenBruce Examples of fossils of primate precursors of modern humans (Homo sapiens) in date order from 6 million BC to now inc: Ardipithecus kadabba, Ardipithecus ramidus, Australopithecus anamensis, Australopithecus afarensis, Australopithecus africanus, Australopithecus garhi, Homo habilis, Homo ergaster, Homo erectus and Homo heidelbergensis (look them up).
If major mutation cannot occur over time then:
a) where are the true human fossils from 6 million BC?
@AikenBruce its long term breeding. like how u get a pug out of a wolf. the animal that live the longest hase the most sex and passis on its jeens. the mutations mentions arnt like having a 3ed arm. its like if u run faster than ur mom and dad. if u have a brother thats not as fast as u and u were being hunted u would live longer and past on u "run like a bitch" jeens to ur kids. ps im dislexic so lay off my spelling
@EqualAndFree However, you should not neglect that even ancient written or oral accounts can have a point of validity. They can give us hints of e.g. natural catastrophies, extinction, migration etc. But all is wrapped up in a way that people saw the world. I'm not advocating creationism here, my comment has nothing to do with this debate, but I am saying that one shouldn't look down on these recordings. They are still part of our heritage.
It is good for us to question everything and find the truth for ourselves. Keep doing research you will find the account of the flood to be entirely accurate. Read the book of Genesis. Believe me: there are unseen powers that try and mislead the whole world so they can never realise their true potential. Please note that reading scripture without prayer is like driving with your eyes closed.
@AikenBruce "The reason your argument is false is because it is based on false assumptions" This statement is completely meaningless unless you actually state what the assumptions are and explain why they are false.
@ScientificBob Basically everything he says is assumptions. First off he states that not every animal was within walking distance of the Ark. This arrogance is typical of the uneducated who do not realise there have been many advanced civilisations that have existed. Yes I can visit my zoo within a hour and find plenty of animals already in cages. Just because you do not understand how it happened only shows that you do not have the Spirit which gives knowledge and understanding.
@AikenBruce "First off he states that not every animal was within walking distance of the Ark" Seeing as we find fossils ALL OVER THE WORLD, this seems a pretty safe assumption.
It's clear in today's world that species are geographically spread out. We don't see african apes in asia for example. If YOU wish to say that it used to be differently, you are gonna have to prove that. Until then, this assumption is a very reasonable one. What is unreasonable is assume that it was different before.
There are a myriad of explanations as to the lack of genetic variability of cheetahs. Even tigers are under threat of extinction because of it. Disease, famine, environmental changes and men hunting them for skins are just some reasons how this could occur.
This guy talks like he has intelligence. Of course 3 colours (red, blonde, brown) is more than one colour (black). Of course a bigger animal will generally have more ejaculate than a small one. In nature some species show peculiarities unique only to that species so basing your theory on one species is not scientific.
@AikenBruce "basing your theory on one species is not scientific" That's not what he is doing. He's using the cheetah as an EXAMPLE to make a point. The point being that IF the flood and the ark actually happened... EVERY species on earth would need to have low variability LIKE the cheetah. But that's not the case. At all. Instead, we see a LOT of variability in practically ALL species.
What about it? There is 0 evidence that this was caused by a single flood. In fact, all evidence points to the absolute opposite... The canyon formed over millions of years of erosion. If you wish to see what a valley looks like that has been carved out violently and rapidly by a flood, look at the Badlands. This was done in a matter of days after an ice-dam broke off. THAT's what the entire world should look like if the flood story is real.
Basically the reason why you just have all questions and no answers is because you deny the possibility of other life forms or that some supreme intelligence actually created the universe.
@AikenBruce "because you deny the possibility of other life forms" I don't quite understand this point. Elaborate?
And how is it related to the issue at hand?
"that some supreme intelligence actually created the universe. " Which is irrelavent. Wheter the universe was created by a god or a farting unicorn is irrelavent to wheter the earth was flooded or not. Floods leave traces, no matter if they are caused supernaturally or not. The question "was there a flood" is a factual question.
1 - the geological evidence shows that a great flood occured in recent history, as well as historical accounts from all major civilisations (Egypt, Babylon, Greece, India, China, etc).
2 - the variability observed between any of two races of dogs can be reproduced in less than 20 generations.
Your arguments are not scientific, but since evolution is a pseudo-science, I won't criticize your lack of knowledge or rigor.
jb0433628 2 days ago
@jb0433628 Pure Nonsense! Many geologic strata like desert varnish or Tillite are not even formed by water, geology proves no flood ever happened. Neither do popular fairy tales.
2. Is irrelevant, he is talking about inbreeding, not races.
3. Many animals do not have a "male and female" gender, so the Bible story is hogwash.
InternetDarkLord 1 day ago
@InternetDarkLord
Your ignorance only has your arrogance as an equivalent.
jb0433628 1 day ago
@jb0433628 So disprove what I said.
InternetDarkLord 1 day ago
are you an athiest?
Mathbaker04 4 days ago
People who believe the Noah's arc tale are dumber than the flat earth society.
dawkins20ish 1 week ago
@dawkins20ish
I kinda rank them to be equally dumb given todays readily available sources of information on both subjects... :o)
Zouljab 3 days ago
VERY convincing, practically irrefutable proof of the fallibility of the bible. Thank you!
SoCalAries 2 weeks ago
well aybe the animals who boarded the ark had more genetic variability than modern animals, if time deteriorates genomes, then it is fare to assume that in the past genomes where more complete in the past.
let alone that God choosed the animals that whent in to the ark, so he would chose healthy animals with healthy genomes.
Answerquestions1 3 weeks ago
@Answerquestions1 sorry, your argument is wrong from the start. One single animal can't have variability. It has his very own set of genes, in which there are only two versions of each gene (one coming from the mothers chromosomes, one from the fathers) and that's it. If you study the most basic of genetic laws, the Mendelian ones, you'll see that inside the same species different animals can have different versions of the same gene. That said, please, first study, then comment
RisingAtheists 3 weeks ago
@RisingAtheists
All Im saying is that ancient animals had more genetic material than modern animals, meaning that the cheetah argument is a strawman since no creationists claims that modern-like cheetah boarded the ark.
you comment has nothig to do with my argument
Answerquestions1 3 weeks ago
@Answerquestions1
"All Im saying is that ancient animals had more genetic material than modern animals,"
Why isn't there any science that you can cite to back that ridiculous claim?
odinata 2 weeks ago
@odinata
´´Why isn't there any science that you can cite to back that ridiculous claim?
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more time = more mutations = more deterioration this is basic science
Answerquestions1 2 weeks ago
@Answerquestions1
deleterious mutations aren't passed on.
odinata 2 weeks ago
@odinata
´´deleterious mutations aren't passed on.´´
yes they are, for example in the cheetah (that was the whole point in this video)
Answerquestions1 2 weeks ago
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@Answerquestions1
Np, the point of the video is that Cheetahs have less genetic variability.
Did you not watch it?
odinata 2 weeks ago
@Answerquestions1 so if the modern cheetah didn't board the arc, how did modern cheetahs come to be? and what proof do you creationists have that ancient animals had more genetic material? that's clearly false, we have their fossils and we know that is untrue.
SoCalAries 2 weeks ago
@SoCalAries
because time (mutations) deteriorate genoems modern cheetah has acumulated mutations for 6,000 years, those who boarded the ark only accumulated mistakes for 1600 years this is why ancient animals had healthier genomes
Answerquestions1 2 weeks ago
@Answerquestions1 so modern cheetahs came from ancient cheetahs through evolution,which doesn't exist?
Mallkav 2 weeks ago
@Mallkav
you can call it evolution is you what to.
but the fact is that proving that cheetah came from an ancient cat does not prove that cheetahs and fish have a common ancestor nor that fish can devole feet.
Answerquestions1 2 weeks ago
@Answerquestions1
Do you know what the word "cite" means?
odinata 2 weeks ago
@Answerquestions1
"you can call it evolution is you what to."
IS English not your native language?
odinata 2 weeks ago
@Answerquestions1 Cheetah and fish do actually have a common ancestor and the whale can actually grow legs if we experiment with its genetic make up
Smokemalboro 5 days ago
all im going to say is that i wouldnt want the fastest land mammal to have one of the largest populations.
ahuntsman1107 4 weeks ago
@ahuntsman1107 But you also wouldn't want such a beautiful creature to die out, which is a distinct possibility given its lack of genetic diversity. BTW, there are many examples of cheetah kittens being domesticated as pets - not that I recommend or endorse such a practice. Such a cheetah regularly featured in the ITV drama "Wild at Heart"
mandolinic 4 weeks ago
@mandolinic first i greatly appreciat the conduct of your response. second i dont want to see such beautiful creatures die out. and third i often here of cases where someone has raised a wolf from a pup and thought it was domesticated, just to one day be killed by it.
ahuntsman1107 3 weeks ago
@ahuntsman1107 There are certainly enough cases of dogs turning on their owners for me to accept your comment about wolves. I don't think it's happened with cheetahs, but then again the number of domesticated cheetahs is far far lower; no doubt a cheetah could do you a lot of damage if it turned nasty. I think I'll stick with my common or garden pussy cat and leave the wild animals to the experts.
Have a good 2012!
mandolinic 3 weeks ago
@mandolinic you too.
ahuntsman1107 3 weeks ago
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mandolinic 3 weeks ago
Haha that was great. Creationists are such idiots!
Floortjahh 1 month ago
@Floortjahh so by you saying that i assume you have a renown career as a teacher or scientist?
ahuntsman1107 3 weeks ago
Hi @ahuntsman1107 I would love that yes! I would love to make a real contribution to this planet. Wouldn't you?
Floortjahh 3 weeks ago
i think this video made a good point but pretty much all the points athiests make are not as brutal as the ones that disprove evolution for example if a dog evolved from a fish, right and in the middle we have a dogfish which wouldbe a transitional stage, it would take millions of years and the earth would be be litered with the fossils all kinds of transitional stage animals
meee2014 1 month ago
@meee2014
“For example if a dog evolved from a fish, right and in the middle we have a dogfish”
It is clear that you are trying to comment on a subject that you know nothing about. You actually think there should be a half fish / half dog fossil out there. Did you think to ‘Google’ transitional fossils before posting? Did you research evolution for posting? Next time maybe you should do a little research before posting on a topic you know nothing about.
stewpotb62 1 month ago
@stewpotb62 no i was showing you an example that you could easily picture in your small brain, you obviously would know what a procynosucus was if i said that.
meee2014 1 month ago
@meee2014
“No i was showing you an example that you could easily picture in your small brain”
You leave a post saying that there should be a half fish / half dog fossil. When I pointed out the absurdity of this somehow I’m the stupid one. Its all OK researching mammal ancestors and naming one at random trying to make yourself look clever now. The point of my comment was that you should have done this research before leaving your first post.
stewpotb62 1 month ago
@meee2014 @stewpotb62 Nahh he's a troll! No one can be that stupid!
Floortjahh 1 month ago
you Don't think believing in God is reasonable
The problem with that is, the bedrock of human problems isn’t reasonable, rational or logical. That is why reason and logic will never be able to solve our problems, our hatreds, our bitterness, pettiness and corrupted self-love.
Atheists are infamous for saying:
“I don’t need God in order to be a good person.”
The path of “logic” that follows that belief is:
a) “I don’t need God.”
b) “Therefore I must see myself as a good person.”
mrlucky1232002 1 month ago
@mrlucky1232002
“The problem with that is, the bedrock of human problems isn’t reasonable, rational or logical.” Etc.
Cutting and pasting on another video I see. This is lifted directly from Makarios’ blog (an old favourite of yours). Have you told them all that you have an IQ of 135 yet? Or are you saving that for when someone points out your atrocious spelling?
stewpotb62 1 month ago
@stewpotb62
Christians say, “The Truth that I have is something that was revealed to me, so there is no room for me to boast.”
- Christians say, “The Truth that matters in life can be found, not just by the intelligent, but even by those of limited intellectual ability, by those with little education and even by children. It’s simple. It’s easy. It can be yours.
- The Atheist says, “That’s insulting, demeaning, embarrassing and disgusting. I’ll have none of it!”
mrlucky1232002 1 month ago
@mrlucky1232002
So let me get this straight. You’ve been found out cutting and pasting from the Makarios’ blog and passing it off as your own words and your answer is to cut and paste further bullshit from Makarios’ blog and passing it off as your own answer. Typical creationist dishonesty.
stewpotb62 1 month ago
@stewpotb62
I am not a creationist my friend
Why do you make such assertions why you have no proof
You lie like a rug
mrlucky1232002 1 month ago
@mrlucky1232002
“I am not a creationist my friend”
“Why do you make such assertions why you have no proof”
“You lie like a rug”
Because you have been arguing against evolution on another video, you’re a theist and you’ve crapped on about the accuracy of the bible. The main people who deny the reality of evolution are fundamentalist jihadists like yourself. The only person lying is the idiot passing off cut and paste shit as his own words.
stewpotb62 1 month ago
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@stewpotb62
Because you have been arguing against evolution on another video
I believe in evolution in a small scale because there is evidence of adaptation
The is no evidence for Macro evolution and that is what I am against
Since no scientist can answer effectively the cause of the beginning of life I don't assume it just happened
mrlucky1232002 1 month ago
@stewpotb62
who deny the reality of evolution are fundamentalist jihadists
Well not to worry my friend I am not a fundamentalist jihadist
where ever that is
Seem like a made up term to me
You don't think you lie when you make up you bigoted terms for your enemies but you do worse than lie you spread hate and distrust
you are truly a vile smelly Boy child
mrlucky1232002 1 month ago
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And this claim turns out to another lying creationist. Why hasn't he had his 'research' peer reviewed?"-stewpotheadboiled62 >And what is a peer? Why a peer is anyone who believes in a particular "ism" as deeply as you do. "Peer review" is nothing more than a pat on the back from those who share your deeply held religious beliefs. You see, if you deny global warming then you are not a peer. Only those scientists who agree are credible "peers". That is how we get 'junk' science
mrlucky1232002 1 month ago
@stewpotb62
So let me get this straight.
"you only shower once a week and wonder why people claim you smell "
If I smelled as bad as you I would not live near people
True Grit
I guess you mother does not mine LOL
mrlucky1232002 1 month ago
@stewpotb62 most creationist are Christians, so now your trying to say Christians are liars too? because you've already called us stupid.
ahuntsman1107 3 weeks ago
@ahuntsman1107 No their not. There are many times more Muslim and Hindu creationists than Christian ones.
ADADEL1 3 weeks ago
@ADADEL1 ok my bad but my point remains that they are largely religoius so as to not lie.
ahuntsman1107 3 weeks ago
@stewpotb62
What up smelly?
mrlucky1232002 1 month ago
@mrlucky1232002
“What up smelly?”
Have we been transported to the fucking playground or something? You’re profile says you are 52, are you sure you haven’t misplaced the decimal point? Here’s a question for you. If your IQ is 135 as you claim. Why don’t you ever have an original thought of your own and have to rely on cutting and pasting for almost all of your posts?
stewpotb62 1 month ago
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@stewpotb62
why do you smell so bad?”
"if I smell as bad as you I would not liver near people"
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I can't believe you actually spent all this time on Noah's ark. Seriously. Would you spend that much time proving the race between the tortoise and the hare never happened?
redddbaron 1 month ago
Very good arguments. I actually put this theory to the test for my university thesis on genetic algorithms. What I was essentialy trying to do there was to preserve diversity in a population, because if diversity is gone, evolution stops.
NoctumTuber 1 month ago
God is Great. Atheists: you are just stupid ignorant fools.
AikenBruce 1 month ago
@AikenBruce
Which of the 2,000 odd gods are you talking about?
stewpotb62 1 month ago 10
@stewpotb62 I believe he is referring to Zeus.
InternetDarkLord 1 month ago
@InternetDarkLord
“I believe he is referring to Zeus.”
Now there’s a deity that knew how to kick ass.
stewpotb62 1 month ago 15
AikenBruce
Which one??
Lets see who the stupid ones are...debate me on scripture! Studying the bible is how I became an atheist. Not knowing scripture, and the fact that Judaism was originally polytheistic, is why you're still a christisn...unless you're just stupid.
Cootabux 1 month ago
@AikenBruce
The militant atheist are not happy merely to reject God themsevles as they want the world to reject God and accept their godless world veiw where there is no Moral Absolutes. Morols are opinons and no one does evil
mrlucky1232002 1 month ago
dude you have to work on your german word order
Gannnjjjjjaaaaaaa 1 month ago
how can something that is non-sentient create everything including sentience? is the non-thinking universe smarter than the conscious mind?
bucky14701 1 month ago
Xians: If GOD turned out to be a female, or an hermaphrodite, would you love it any less? If so, why? Does that thought disturb you? If so, w-h-y?
yeshuahfullofit 2 months ago
@yeshuahfullofit you didn't ask me but i believe god is neither male or female, he chose to be called father because he designated man as leader in the families/churches it was 50/50 it would be man or woman. and you cant call the almighty Creator "it".
ahuntsman1107 3 weeks ago
@ahuntsman1107 I most certainly can. It is a concept. It is a thing. It is an it. It.
yeshuahfullofit 3 weeks ago
The conversation here has gotten stale. Is it my fault or yours? I'll start: Many xians explain that the flood was a local event. Can any atheist see how this interpretation would destroy the very power and significance of the myth to begin with? Can any xian explain how it would not? Discuss. ; )
yeshuahfullofit 2 months ago
@yeshuahfullofit If the Flood was local, why build an ark? Why not walk?
InternetDarkLord 2 months ago
@InternetDarkLord It would seem to save an awful lot of time and effort, wouldn't it? Instead of God commanding Noah to build this enormous craft, a simple "Head for the hills!" would have sufficed.
yeshuahfullofit 2 months ago
This video make quite a few erroneous assumptions about the flood. Here are two pages with links to dozens upon dozens of pages answering critiques on the plausibility of Noah's flood.
[creation(.)com/noahs-flood-questions-and-answers]
[creation(.)com/noahs-ark-questions-and-answers]
TChapman500 2 months ago
@TChapman500
Do you think it makes any sense to learn your science from religious web-sites with a known agenda? Is it acceptable to use web-sites that are known to distort the truth and tell outright lies without fact checking any of their claims?
stewpotb62 2 months ago
@stewpotb62 Your claims are greatly exaggerated.
[creation(.)com/creationists-are-liars]
/watch?v=eTA5zm9jYDQ
/playlist?list=PL38CDEF24F6F21FCB
TChapman500 2 months ago
@TChapman500
“Your claims are greatly exaggerated”
They weren’t claims they were statements of fact.. All the shit you sent is the usual creationist bollocks that has been refuted time and time again. For instance Haeckel's embryo drawings. Today they use photomicrographs. By the way nice source your using there, The lying discovery institute. Look up the Kitzmiller vs Dover trial.
stewpotb62 2 months ago 4
@stewpotb62 No, they are exaggerated. And the Dover trial was scripted.
Dover Trial Ref 1 [discovery(.)org/a/4300]
Dover Trial Ref 2 [idthefuture(.)com/2007/11/pbs_darwin_and_dover_an_interv(.)html]
Dover Trial Ref 3 [evolutionnews(.)org/2007/11/3_myths_about_the_dover_intell004483.html]
TChapman500 2 months ago
@TChapman500
“The Dover trial was scripted.”
This is more creationist lies. This is what the discovery institute’s pet molecular biologist, Michael Behe, had to admit under cross examination:
“The definition of 'theory' as he applied it to intelligent design was so loose that astrology would qualify as a theory by definition as well”
The DI relies on people like you. People that will never question or research the bollocks that they spew up. So they can tell people like you any old bullshit
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@stewpotb62 I've already countered your claim that creationists lie, and if you really took the time to look at the counters, you would realize that what I'm saying is true. You are doing nothing more than spreading the lies of others.
TChapman500 2 months ago
@stewpotb62 bollocks? no wonder your country is in the shitter being overrun by the muslim hordes. speak REAL english you limey faggot.
bucky14701 1 month ago
@bucky14701 Are you mentally ill?
InternetDarkLord 1 month ago
@InternetDarkLord your mom didnt think so.
bucky14701 1 month ago
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InternetDarkLord 1 month ago
@InternetDarkLord i already have your mother's number.
bucky14701 1 month ago
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InternetDarkLord 1 month ago
@bucky14701
“bollocks? no wonder your country is in the shitter being overrun by the muslim hordes. speak REAL english you limey faggot”
Wow! Homophobia, religious intolerance and stupidity in a single sentence. That requires a special level of ignorance that only come from a true a dick for Jesus
stewpotb62 1 month ago 2
@stewpotb62 english originates from your country and he claims to be speaking "real" english. Gotta love that arrogance.
kotoroshinoto 1 month ago
@kotoroshinoto hey dickless douche, mind your own business before i bitch slap ya.
bucky14701 1 month ago
@bucky14701 (pulls pants a bit forward and looks down), nope still there.
kotoroshinoto 1 month ago
@bucky14701
You’re the perfect example of evolution. It is said that man leapt from apes. It’s clear that you haven’t quite leapt far enough.
“hey dickless douche, mind your own business before i bitch slap ya.”
Have we suddenly been transported to the play ground? I fear you have drifted into an adult discussion. The rest of the little girls are giggling about Justin Bieber on another video. You better get over there quick or they will be talking about you
stewpotb62 1 month ago
@stewpotb62 funny how you know where the little girls are. you're a perfect example of a chicken hawk. what did they evolve from?
bucky14701 1 month ago
@bucky14701
No idea what a chicken hawk is supposed to be. I don’t speak redneck. Maybe it’s your turn to speak "real" English and not the slang spoken around your trailer park.
Have you ever thought about getting an education? Just think you could be the first person on your trailer park that looks at more than the comic strips in the newspaper. You are a real advert for Christianity. You’re a better drum sergeant for atheism than I could ever be.
stewpotb62 1 month ago
@stewpotb62 chicken hawk=pedophile=you. typical atheistic response of trailer park and lack of education jokes is booooooring. is your mind so beset with little girls that you can't come up with anything better or are you really as insipid and impotent as the world knows all british males are? ponder this as you lay in your shitty little two room flat: your country is dying, your culture is dying, your species is dying. cheerio.
bucky14701 1 month ago
@bucky14701
The level of your education is clear by the quality of your posts. I remind you of your first post to me.
“bollocks? no wonder your country is in the shitter being overrun by the muslim hordes. speak REAL english you limey faggot”
These are not the words of an intelligent person. This is a post by a juvenile uneducated mind. A person that knows nothing about the subject they are trying to speak about save what he has misunderstood from television, Grow up
stewpotb62 1 month ago 2
@stewpotb62 yaaaaaawn..............still boring. no wonder your enervated,feeble country is sliding into oblivion and your women live in quiet desperation. b.t.w. isn't it pronounced telly?
bucky14701 1 month ago
@bucky14701
A simpleton says what? Did mummy have to help you with some of the big words? Now I’m sure you have some food stamps to cash in I so won’t keep you. Now why don’t you pop off and get you education above that of a mollusk and come back when you’ve grown up a little. Don’t bother replying with another of ill-educated rants. I think I’m about done with you. Give my regards to the rest of the invertebrates at your end of the evolutionary tree.
stewpotb62 1 month ago 2
@stewpotb62 nope still boring. do all british males evolve into a sloppy,doughy,sterile turd as yourself or is it just you?
bucky14701 1 month ago
@stewpotb62 Trying to reason with these creatards is a waste of time. They invariably resort to incredibly childish name calling. I'm guessing "bucky" is a baptist hillbilly from Kentucky or someplace. I couldn't believe the ignorance of some of these posts. Is he for real, do you think?
8698gil 1 month ago
@8698gil
“I'm guessing "bucky" is a baptist hillbilly from Kentucky or someplace. I couldn't believe the ignorance of some of these posts. Is he for real, do you think?”
Most creationists think that, like them, most people dropped out of education at the age of eight. They don’t realize that the stupidity of their posts are apparent to everyone reading them. They become recruitment sergeants for the cause of atheism with every word they type
stewpotb62 1 month ago
@stewpotb62 your shitty little country is truly overrun by satanic muslim murderers and because of pissant,nutless,heartless,mindless,Godless,delusional,narcissistic faggots like you, its only going to get worse.
bucky14701 1 month ago
@TChapman500 *Facepalm* Dover trial...scripted. There seems to be a pattern. 1) Come up with BS 2) Use more BS to cover the BS. 3) When called on your BS, claim more BS 4) When you are utter slaughtered in public, make a BS conspiracy theory 5) Cover the conspiracy theory with BS 6) Make more BS claims.... Repeat. Dude, just go back to praying. The rest of us have meaningful lives to live.
taiwanoob 2 months ago
Hey have you made a video of the origin of different ethnicity's?
Inkbleedful 2 months ago
How did the 'Stephens Island Wren', a flightless, nocturnal bird, get to New Zealand from Noah's Ark's resting point on Mt. Ararat? Inquiring minds.... ; )
yeshuahfullofit 2 months ago
@yeshuahfullofit I want to know how those sloths crossed the Atlantic.
InternetDarkLord 2 months ago
@InternetDarkLord backstroke. ; )
yeshuahfullofit 2 months ago 2
@Meatbag211 ..Really? I bring up a very valid point and you respond like that?
Laylow4now 2 months ago
very well done.but sadly I have no doubt that no matter how many real facts are brought forth those who argue against science will not bat an eye.I appreciate your hard work .
bryankorth 2 months ago
Too Long; Didn't Watch:
Cheetahs were almost extinct 10,000 years ago, forcing the entire species to inbreed.
This means the entire species of cheetahs have a similar genetic makeup.
IF events in story of Noah's Ark DID occur this would be the same for EVERY LIVING creature.
This is clearly false since there are so many genetic differences among humans. (Just ONE species that were supposedly on the ark according to the "Noah's Ark" story.)
I can't believe I actually used all 500 characters!
814ckd347h 3 months ago
christfags....
whitelighter27club 3 months ago
Poor cheetahs. Such very pretty kittys, yet in such trouble...
SenMysrana 3 months ago
Damn, Noah must have to a super athlete to have caught 2 cheetah and 2 pergrine falcons. Oh, I just remembered, he didnt exist.
aaqucnaona94 3 months ago
Nice try - keep doing your bias 'scientific' research whilst ignoring the Law of Conservation of Energy. Only a fool says : "There is no God."
AikenBruce 3 months ago
@AikenBruce Only a fool believes physics proves there is a god.
InternetDarkLord 3 months ago
@InternetDarkLord Energy cannot be created nor destroyed only changed in form. Proves their must be a creator of this system. For something cannot be created from nothing. Look around the proof of intelligent design is everywhere. It is easy to disprove the theory of evolution because it is just a theory - an idea. There is not one piece of proof to sustain the theory except that some people look like apes.
AikenBruce 3 months ago
@AikenBruce Bull Shit, physics applies differently on the quantum level, in quantum mechanics, energy is constantly created and destroyed. Gravity, electricity, and magnetism are also theories, they are all true. (In fact, this argument of yours is a moronic, discredited cliche. You are incompetent even at creationism! Are you new at this?) Evolution does not merely say people look like apes. And who designs the designer? Where did he get that energy?
InternetDarkLord 3 months ago
@InternetDarkLord "Gravity, electricity, and magnetism are also theories, they are all true."
BS, yourself. There is no solid theory of gravity, no one knows how it really works. We have laws of gravity that accurately describe what it does, but no one know HOW it does what it does. Particle force theories have trouble with gravity because it seems to require particle faster than the speed of light.
42base13 2 months ago
@42base13 General Relativity describes gravity. String theory studies it. If you want to hear bull shit with no theory, ask any religious fanatic, "How do supernatural beings create life?"
InternetDarkLord 2 months ago
@InternetDarkLord String theory has gone nowhere in 20 years of intensive study. We simply do not have a working theory of gravity that matches observation. ("Trouble with Physics" by Lee Smolin and "Not Even Wrong" by Peter Woit)
Maybe you don't want to compare theory of evolution with theory of gravity?
42base13 2 months ago
@42base13 Science moves forward by successive approximations of the truth. We have theory of gravity of general relativity. that matches the facts to a certain degree of accuracy. Someday, another theory will match it better, just like General Relativity improved on Newton. Newton can still be used for many gravity calculations, and so can Einstein, and someday, so will another one, by successive approximations of the truth.
InternetDarkLord 2 months ago
@InternetDarkLord Newton's laws approximately described what gravity does. Einstein described what it does more accurately and under more extreme conditions. Neither explain how or why it does what it does.
I know what happens when I press keys on my keyboard. That's separate from knowing how the software and hardware interact to produce those results.
We know what gravity does. A theory of gravity would explain how and why it does what it does.
42base13 2 months ago
@42base13 General Relativity does have a model for gravity, curvature of space-time. So gravity also slows time down too. And the next theory will have a more accurate model of what gravity is as well.
InternetDarkLord 2 months ago
@InternetDarkLord approximations of truth? you mean like einstein's relativity and the neutrinos that destroyed it?chalk another one up for cosmology.
bucky14701 1 month ago
@bucky14701 I expect another approximation of the truth will succeed relativity someday. But if you don't believe in science, why are you using a computer, running on electricity, using electronics, running on quantum mechanics...just go back to using parchment scrolls and quills, like the Old Days.
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InternetDarkLord 1 month ago
@InternetDarkLord science ceases to be science when it precludes the ONE who created it.
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InternetDarkLord 1 month ago
@AikenBruce
"Look around the proof of intelligent design is everywhere"
Really, I would like to take the Intelligent designer to task for:
1) Wisdom Teeth
2) Blind spot in the eyes
3) The fact that we eat and breath through the same tube ensuring that some of us choke
4) Ineffectiveness of gene that produces vitamin C in great apes (but not most other mammals), giving rise to scurvy in those who don't get enough.
5) Most of all, running waste management though the same building as procreation
KPhysicsGeek 3 months ago
@AikenBruce So, looking at this we can say that the designer does a pretty piss poor job. Is that really the kind of God you believe in?
KPhysicsGeek 3 months ago 3
@AikenBruce Creationists claim that there was no death in the world before Eve ate the apple. What anatomy did the original created animals e.g scorpions, crocodile, cheetah, lion, killer whale, spider,have? The present anatomy of carnivores is intrinsically adapted to catching, killing & eating other animals. Did satan wave a magic wand and change the animals overnight from herbivores into the present day form? Will lions & kestrels go to hell for eating other animals?
zytigon 3 months ago 2
@AikenBruce Do you know what a theory is? I do not think you do! A theory is not just an idea, a theory works when tested, but not 100% known. A theory requires evidence and must run the gauntlet of the academic process. I suggest reading up on some journal articles and quite getting your science from the bible.
lordrazr 2 months ago
@InternetDarkLord only a fool believes that physics created physics.
bucky14701 1 month ago
@bucky14701 Only a fool believes in strawmen.
InternetDarkLord 1 month ago
@InternetDarkLord ahh, the typical mindless atheistic response to the legitimate question of origins. did you know that the Godless morons from whom you parrot have changed the paradigm once again? let me fill you in:cosmologists now say there must have been something BEFORE the big bang. wow, another brilliant proclamation from the "masters" of science.are family and friends impressed with your acute stupidity or merely ashamed. i'm pro-life but in your case i would've made an exception.
bucky14701 1 month ago
@bucky14701 Read M Theory. The multiverse preceded the Big Bang. If God preceded it, where did He come from?
Religion does change, unless you disavow the entire New Testament. And the Old Testament, a composite of earlier texts.
InternetDarkLord 1 month ago
@InternetDarkLord you aren't too bright are ya? let me make this clear: GOD is eternal with no beginning or end. mmmkay? the universe is not, it had a beginning.and dont speak of the old and new testaments, you know nothing of either. b.t.w. the reductionist view of so called m theory is the biggest cop-out against any legitimate answers to existence and is used by pinheads like you to avoid the question of origins.
bucky14701 1 month ago
@bucky14701 The multiverse has no need for a start. If God needs no start, reality does not. If Reality does, so does God.
InternetDarkLord 1 month ago
@InternetDarkLord GOD created everything you idiot. only in your demented,delusional world would reality create itself.
bucky14701 1 month ago
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@AikenBruce Only a fool believes physics proves there is a god.
InternetDarkLord 3 months ago
@AikenBruce The Conservation of Energy Law only applies to 'closed' or 'isolated' systems, it does not apply to 'open' systems. How are you doing with your creationist explanation of human endogenous retroviruses and pseudogenes? ; )
yeshuahfullofit 3 months ago
Thumb up for that introduction!
bgiv2010 3 months ago in playlist DonExodus2 さんのその他の動画
The problem with this video and the arguments it presents is that it attempts to critique a supernatural event by invoking natural principles. Even if one does not believe in the ultramundane, one still cannot justify using natural principles in an attempt at refuting a supernatural event. Simply apply this obvious principle and the straw-men blow away.
StoneCampbellforLife 3 months ago
@StoneCampbellforLife
I couldn't heolp but notice that you didn't posit a supernatural explanation for this event, which is claimed to be a NATURAL event....
odinata 3 months ago
the euphratis river floods every spring, so thousands of years ago it flooded but it rained for 6 days, thus making the flooding very severe. a king put his goods and livestock onto a boat and sailed it downstream to the gulf,, this story expanded and thus became the basis for the story of noahs ark, you have to be an idiot to think that the story of the ark is ment to be literal, there is no way noah could have gotten all the billions of species on the ark etc...impossable.
crazyknight2008 3 months ago
I would say that clearly Satan caused the unnaturally low genetic variation of the cheetah to cast doubt on God's word.
This is really interesting to people who are already educated, but remember that if you can't say it in one breath with words that are two syllables or less, creationists are physically incapable of understanding it.
htomerif 3 months ago
I assume the Ark carried two 100 ton Argentinosauruses, two 60 ton Sauroposeidons, and pairs of all the 200 known species of carnivorous dinosaurs including Tyrannosaurus Rex - and enough meat to feed them all for 40 days.
EqualAndFree 3 months ago
@EqualAndFree Of course if you were to deny the only recorded account of the creation of man you would have to make many assumptions and most of them would be false.
AikenBruce 3 months ago
@AikenBruce "only recorded account"??? EVERY religion has it's own ancient 'record' of the creation of man. Depending on which 'recorded account' you read humans emerged from trees, descended from the sky, emerged like maggots from the rocks, were made from clay, came from other planets.... There's no evidence for any of these fanciful mythical 'accounts'. The only real evidence for the origin of humans are the millions of years of fossil records documenting our evolution.
EqualAndFree 3 months ago
@EqualAndFree Please give one example. Yes I know all about the fairy tales of evolution, and how Sir Charles Darwin already refuted his own theory. No mutation is beneficial. No matter how many mutations you have it does not change the amount of chromosones which determines the species. Seriously there is no evidence of evolution. If there was I would believe it myself.
AikenBruce 3 months ago
@AikenBruce "Seriously there is no evidence of evolution. If there was I would believe it myself". Great! Try 'endogenous retroviruses and pseudogenes'. Explain those without evolution. ; )
yeshuahfullofit 3 months ago 3
@AikenBruce Why did god create cave insects and fishes with eyes that cannot see? Why did god create beetles with wing covers that are fused and cannot open, only to reveal withered wings that are useless for flight? "What makes the musk ox guard his musk"? -- Cowardly Lion, Wizard of Oz (1939)
yeshuahfullofit 3 months ago 3
@yeshuahfullofit correction: muskrat
yeshuahfullofit 3 months ago
@AikenBruce Examples of fossils of primate precursors of modern humans (Homo sapiens) in date order from 6 million BC to now inc: Ardipithecus kadabba, Ardipithecus ramidus, Australopithecus anamensis, Australopithecus afarensis, Australopithecus africanus, Australopithecus garhi, Homo habilis, Homo ergaster, Homo erectus and Homo heidelbergensis (look them up).
If major mutation cannot occur over time then:
a) where are the true human fossils from 6 million BC?
b) what are these other fossils?
EqualAndFree 3 months ago
@AikenBruce its long term breeding. like how u get a pug out of a wolf. the animal that live the longest hase the most sex and passis on its jeens. the mutations mentions arnt like having a 3ed arm. its like if u run faster than ur mom and dad. if u have a brother thats not as fast as u and u were being hunted u would live longer and past on u "run like a bitch" jeens to ur kids. ps im dislexic so lay off my spelling
Shard18 3 months ago
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@EqualAndFree However, you should not neglect that even ancient written or oral accounts can have a point of validity. They can give us hints of e.g. natural catastrophies, extinction, migration etc. But all is wrapped up in a way that people saw the world. I'm not advocating creationism here, my comment has nothing to do with this debate, but I am saying that one shouldn't look down on these recordings. They are still part of our heritage.
GaolisVideoLog 3 months ago
It is good for us to question everything and find the truth for ourselves. Keep doing research you will find the account of the flood to be entirely accurate. Read the book of Genesis. Believe me: there are unseen powers that try and mislead the whole world so they can never realise their true potential. Please note that reading scripture without prayer is like driving with your eyes closed.
AikenBruce 3 months ago
@AikenBruce So why do different praying people reading Genesis come to different conclusions?
InternetDarkLord 3 months ago
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BadVoodo0 3 months ago
The reason your argument is false is because it is based on false assumptions. Seriously.
AikenBruce 3 months ago
@AikenBruce "The reason your argument is false is because it is based on false assumptions" This statement is completely meaningless unless you actually state what the assumptions are and explain why they are false.
ScientificBob 3 months ago 16
@ScientificBob Basically everything he says is assumptions. First off he states that not every animal was within walking distance of the Ark. This arrogance is typical of the uneducated who do not realise there have been many advanced civilisations that have existed. Yes I can visit my zoo within a hour and find plenty of animals already in cages. Just because you do not understand how it happened only shows that you do not have the Spirit which gives knowledge and understanding.
AikenBruce 3 months ago
@AikenBruce "First off he states that not every animal was within walking distance of the Ark" Seeing as we find fossils ALL OVER THE WORLD, this seems a pretty safe assumption.
It's clear in today's world that species are geographically spread out. We don't see african apes in asia for example. If YOU wish to say that it used to be differently, you are gonna have to prove that. Until then, this assumption is a very reasonable one. What is unreasonable is assume that it was different before.
ScientificBob 3 months ago
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AikenBruce 3 months ago
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@ScientificBob It is quite possible that originally there was one giant land mass and it has broken up to form the various continents.
AikenBruce 3 months ago
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@AikenBruce "It is quite possible that originally there was one giant land mass and it has broken up to form the various continents"
It's called Pangea and it happened 250 million years ago.
ScientificBob 3 months ago
There are a myriad of explanations as to the lack of genetic variability of cheetahs. Even tigers are under threat of extinction because of it. Disease, famine, environmental changes and men hunting them for skins are just some reasons how this could occur.
AikenBruce 3 months ago
This guy talks like he has intelligence. Of course 3 colours (red, blonde, brown) is more than one colour (black). Of course a bigger animal will generally have more ejaculate than a small one. In nature some species show peculiarities unique only to that species so basing your theory on one species is not scientific.
AikenBruce 3 months ago
@AikenBruce "basing your theory on one species is not scientific" That's not what he is doing. He's using the cheetah as an EXAMPLE to make a point. The point being that IF the flood and the ark actually happened... EVERY species on earth would need to have low variability LIKE the cheetah. But that's not the case. At all. Instead, we see a LOT of variability in practically ALL species.
ScientificBob 3 months ago
Geological records contradict the idea of a global flood? So explain the Grand Canyon.
AikenBruce 3 months ago
@AikenBruce "explain the Grand Canyon."
What about it? There is 0 evidence that this was caused by a single flood. In fact, all evidence points to the absolute opposite... The canyon formed over millions of years of erosion. If you wish to see what a valley looks like that has been carved out violently and rapidly by a flood, look at the Badlands. This was done in a matter of days after an ice-dam broke off. THAT's what the entire world should look like if the flood story is real.
ScientificBob 3 months ago
Basically the reason why you just have all questions and no answers is because you deny the possibility of other life forms or that some supreme intelligence actually created the universe.
AikenBruce 3 months ago
@AikenBruce "because you deny the possibility of other life forms" I don't quite understand this point. Elaborate?
And how is it related to the issue at hand?
"that some supreme intelligence actually created the universe. " Which is irrelavent. Wheter the universe was created by a god or a farting unicorn is irrelavent to wheter the earth was flooded or not. Floods leave traces, no matter if they are caused supernaturally or not. The question "was there a flood" is a factual question.
ScientificBob 3 months ago