WS6 vs GTO

[20TooSlow]

It IS a WS6...owner traded the hood for a stockers + cash.

[sglaser123]

not a WS6 btw.. idiots

[tannershanksftw]

that passenger musta been huge!

[papi69pa]

oohh i get it the problem was the stupid passenger too much weight 

[rangere3rd]

2001 Trans Am WS.6 with LS6 intake, ram air intake, 80MM throttle body and MAS, lightweight crank+alt pulleys, no A/C, titanium valve springs, 1.85 roller rockers, crome moly PR's, lightweight crank and cam, gasket ported SLP tuned longtube headers 3" loudmouth exhaust, 4.10 gears with lightweight gear cover, tuned by competition auto and drag slicks ran 11.7 at 126 ill beat your GTO any day of the week

[rangere3rd]

all ws.6 LS1's are rated at least 345RWHP do your research and you will see i am rite, the 01 vettes were rated at omg 350RWHP thats fuckin amazing same engine same performance WTF and dont try to pull that power to weight BS bc my best friend has an 01 zo6 and we weighed them one after another i took out my jack, spare tire, back seats and i was less than 100lbs over him so for u none beleivers out there STFU

[DaltonTheAngry]

The T/A sounds so nice!

[ThatShibbyOne]

pretty awesome cars, the LS2 GTO stock is faster than the fastest stock WS6 (01-02 WS6 with LS6 intake and upgraded clutch)

Quarter Mile Times:

6.0L LS2 GTO: 12.8-13.0

5.7L LS1 WS6: 13.3-13.5

and the LS2 GTO's 0 to 60 is almost half a second faster than the WS6. I love both cars but my heart has always been with a WS6. It's a shame both cars are extinct. Nobody should hate on either car but to lay the others to rest about the GTO...IT IS FASTER in almost every sense of the word. PONTIAC<3

[iceman0502me]

I'm gonna drop a juiced out ls7 in a hover-round and spank that ass on some TAs and goats and vettes and stangs. That's what's up!

[iroctransam]

Drivers race usually. Also the LS seems faster because they are underrated. That looks like a Sleek beak Trans Am not a WS6. I do agree with Butthurt on one thing more, 00+ do make 300+ to the wheels on average. My T/A is a 2000 4L60E car and completly stock made 301RWHP and 319ft/lbs. Plus it is a 6 speed LS f-car, they can break a high 12 in stock form with drag radials usually not all the time.

[W31350]

who the f*** was the passenger? Jaba the hut? damn that ar slowed down with a passenger.

[619Niners]

@W31350 lmao good1.

[TrollingForYou]

@W31350 Yea but, because of everyone beating on these cars. Everyone thought they were "unreliable" so it just gave pontiac a bad name, and their sales went down.

[Fenyx6]

doesn't the GTO have almost 400hp? I guess the Ws6 has alot of work right? Sounds like it didn't hook on the last run

[BobbyHaet]

I would take either car I love them both .. An Ls1 can beat an LS2 any day of the week, an LS2 can beat and Ls1 any day of the week.. Its a drivers race in my opinion, just look at the the 1/4 mile and 0-60 times of each car, almost identical. The clear winner in this video for me is Pontiac. I wish GM cut Buick instead of Pontiac.

[ibarna90]

@BobbyHaet if GM cut buick, what would all the old people drive.

[sergeantfunk52]

@ibarna90 Hover-Rounds

[tyler62292]

@BobbyHaet hell ya driver not car and i agree why did they cut pontiac it made them waay more money than buick ever brought it and pontiacs arre just better they are low maintenance and last forever

[drewski4144]

@tyler62292 You need to go back to grade school and work on your grammar skills. One just one thing you need to know. Pontiacs are designed to fall apart. They do not last for ever, unless for ever to you is 2 years.

[xgongiveittoya44]

@drewski4144 Haha really? Why is it then that GTO's and Firebirds and other cars from times past can still be driven? Sure they gotta be restored but that goes for any car from the 50's and 60's that werent garage kept... Plus my car is 15 years old and has almost 115K on the engine and chassis 'am the 3rd owner and had it about a year and no problems yet ofcourse it's no honda that go 200k before breaking down but hey she still runin strong.

[SSCamaroMan345]

@BobbyHaet I wish the same thing but I did some research and found that Buick's sales in some other country doubled, almost tripled Pontiac's in the states so I guess it was only a matter of time. I hate it though, I only wish the true muscle cars in 02 had more support than what they had. Seriously, your choices in the Ford world were slim to none for competing with an LS1, so i say WTF America. I mean what could I do, I was 14 when it happened, but the first car I bought was a 02 SLP Camaro...

[Quatermain98526]

@BobbyHaet The LS1 has 350HP the LS2 has 400HP, that's really not that close.

[sar32386]

@Quatermain98526 the gto weighs over 300 pounds more than the T/A...the extra weight can definately even things out

[Pyrotoxic92]

@BobbyHaet yeah, but if you look at it in the long run buick made more reliable cars, pontiac really only had the GTO and the trans am, fiero was great but not the most reliable and dont get me started on the astecks -.-

[06GOAT56943]

@BobbyHaet drivers race.... yea ok that must be why the ls2 goat runs a half a second faster 1.4 mile and 4.6 to 60 vs 5.3 to 60 for the ls1

[soonerman94]

@BobbyHaet you dumbass the ws6 would walk all over the gto, the gto is so damn heavy.

[YouSoundButtHurt]

GTOs are ugly and still get beat on by LS1 f-bodies. LOL If you disagree, look at my name and let it sink in.

[lamppost1972]

What a difference a passenger makes. It never ceases to amaze me, good race.

[Kevin2589]

@MrChevyBird, nice comeback dork

[Quatermain98526]

That is definitely not a WS6, it looks more like a Formula. Also, I'm betting that GTO was an '04 with the LS1 engine in it.

[MrChevyBird]

Good video guys!...But that's not a WS.6

[Kevin2589]

@MrChevyBird how do u know... i know a guy that took his ws6 hood off and put on a none ws6 hood cuz he thought it looked better

[MrChevyBird]

@Kevin2589 Then your friend was one or two things, one, he was a complete idiot. Or two, he wasn't after power. Tell me...WHY would you take off a "functional" hood for a non-functional hood??? You're loosing a ton of power right off the bat. No one in their right mind would do that bud, AND, the two guys in this video are obviously all about power, which tells me if that were a true WS.6, there would definitely be a Functional RAM AIR hood on that car; & THAT is how I know this is not a WS.6.

[Kevin2589]

@MrChevyBird hahah wow sorry to burst your bubble and make you go off into an awkward rant lol.

[MrChevyBird]

@Kevin2589 haha wow bud, technically, I just burst your bubble here, mr no ram air. It's all good though lol. Take care.

[BBBSCHOTT]

prob a 300lb fat fuck

[njwolf2k9]

I've seen a stock ls1 ws6 make 308rwhp. Yes they're underated, the trans am and the camaro. I also know that a full exhaust and a lid will bring a ls1 ws6 to 344rwhp. Read ls1tech, people post tons of dyno results on there. Do your research kids.

[Ensilvanation]

@njwolf2k9 You have to consider climate, elevation, dyno..So maybe with perfect conditions and a generous dyno, and some good synthetic motor oil a car rated at 325HP to the crank will only lose on 17hp to the rear. Not saying its impossible, but its rare.

[001jigsaw]

Looks like Jabba the Hut was riding shotgun

[gloredo100]

@001jigsaw HAHA NICE THATS SO WRONG LOL o_O

[moe4show9]

wow just a passenger makes a huge difference

[Feenyxxx95]

lol what surprises ppl about a passenger changing things like that? even a 150 pound person can change things by a good bit since power/weight ratio is really important. Why do you thinan ls1 corvette with equal drivers will outrun a ls1 fbody by a decent amount. Tk he GTOs biggest short coming is its weight. Even stock for stock an LS1 fbody will outrun the heavier GTO even though the LS2 is the more powerful motor. The GTO weighs a good 2-300 pounds more.

[Ensilvanation]

@Feenyxxx95 No absolutely not will the LS1 fbody outrun an LS2 GTO stock for stock..An LS1 foxbody will not even outrun and LS1 GTO stock for stock. I've experience both scenerios. Plus I have an LS1 GTO, and I have yet to lose to a T/A. My buddy has one with bolt-ons, and all I have is headers, exhaust and CAI, and I still walk away from him

[camarospade]

@Ensilvanation foxbody? do you mean f-body? not the same thing. and an ls1 stock for stock with an ls2 gto is a drivers race and an ls1 fbody will pull on an ls1 gto they have the same engine and the gto weighs more and is less aerodynamic. 

[Ensilvanation]

@camarospade Yes I meant F-body. I don't know why I typed foxbody, heat of the moment. If we are talking about a 2002 WS6 T/A. No a race with an LS2 is not a drivers race. The LS2 will pull everythime 400hp 395lbs. The T/A was rated at 325 HP 340 TRQ. I don't know where you get your info from. Check the track times of all three. Do some research both GTO's are faster then a stock T/A even if its slightly lighter than the two.

[camarospade]

@Ensilvanation ls2s do not put down 400 to the wheels. they put down about 340-350. while a stock ls1 will put down about 310 and the fact the gto weighs about 400lbs more and is less aerodynamic evens out the power difference. and have read many forums. and i had a stock ls1 fbody and ran gto's both ls1 and ls2. go watch some dyno videos and race videos. or go line them up and see.

[Ensilvanation]

@camarospade no shit I know they don't put down 400 at the wheel. With the IRS on the GTO's they lose 17% of their power to the wheels. So the LS2 is putting around 330 to the wheel which is still more then what the WS6 put down at the crank. The WS6 puts down around 270 to the wheel and they curb at around 3490, The LS1 puts down around 295 to the wheel. No stock Fbody is walking either GTO with a competent driver. I've raced a stock WS6 in my bolt-on LS1, and destroyed it. Mine puts 363 rwhp.

[camarospade]

@Ensilvanation i never said it would walk an ls2. i said it would be a drivers race which means it's basically even and an ls1 fbody will pull on a ls1 gto. and almost all ls1s put down more than 300 to the wheels. they were a very underrated engine that's why the same engine in the corvette was rated at 350.. a slightly different cam in the engines. and there have been many times where an fbody will put more to the wheels than a vette. and a ws6 is an ls1. same motor.

[Ensilvanation]

@camarospade Dude I'm telling you a stock WS6 and LS2 GTO is not a driver's race..lol Maybe the LS1 GTO and the WS6 is. I am very well aware of the manufacturers HP ratings for ea. car. Your not telling me anything I don't know. The WS6 T/A came factory stock with 325HP at the crank. It is no way making 300 to the wheel no matter what the scenerio. The T/A has the same IRS as the GTO. It loses 17% to the wheel. I make 363 to the wheel and I eat bolt-on T/A's. Honestly..I speak from experience.

[camarospade]

@Ensilvanation the t/s has the same engine as the corvette and the corvette is rated at 350. they put the t/a at 325 for sale purposes. and most t/a's will put down 300 or a little more to the wheels bone stock. ws6 ls1=camaro ss ls1=04 gto ls1= c5 corvette ls1.

[Ensilvanation]

@camarospade Wow your dense bro...LMAO I fucking know which cars have and share the LS1. The Camaro SS and WS6 T/A have the same exact HP and TRQ ratings. THEY DO NOT PUT OVER 300 TO THE WHEEL STOCK!!! I'm just trying to make you understand that the LS2 will DESTROY your stock LS1 WS6! Case Closed.

[camarospade]

@Ensilvanation corvettes put down more than 300. so do camaros and ws6s and gtos. i'm assuming you have an ls2 cause an ls1 won't get 360 with bolt ons. and this seems why your so biased with the ls2.

[camarospade]

@Ensilvanation you're an idiot. i feel like i'm talking with a 5 year old. bolt ons will not add over 60hp you idiot. you're saying they dyno less than 300 yet they can get more than 360 with just  bolt ons? are you three years old? i'm done with this "debate" i've seen it first hand. raced. been there with dynos. and i'm not retarded. have a good day.

[Ensilvanation]

@camarospade Do you know what bolt-ons are? I will name just three that can get you that can get you over to 50 to the flywheel Moron! Coated Kook's L/T headers 30HP, stainless works full exhaust high flow cats 12HP, K&N CAI Thermal wrapped 15HP. I've had my car dynoe'd plus I live up North cars are just faster and run better in cooler conditions. Think about it LS1 350HP to the crank plus 57HP in 3 bolt-ons 407 HP to the crank it loses 17% of its power through the drivetrain 337 rwhp!

[Ensilvanation]

@Ensilvanation Ported TB, SLP underdrive pulley, SLP higher ration rocker arms, MSD racing wires and racing plugs, LS7 clutch, and custom tune. Not to mention the use of Royal Purple increases HP by 3%. SO you tell me how getting 360HP to the rear is impossible with bolt-ons. My next step is getting LS6 heads then a mild cam. That will put me up over 400 rwhp. I'm no idiot. Im 30 yrs old , and know exactly what Im talking about. You've never seen my car dyno'd.

[camarospade]

@Ensilvanation lololol well since you're so certain of everything you say i'm assuming i'm talking to God incarnate. you have some valid points but you're an idiot and are so closed minded it's ridiculous.

[camarospade]

@Ensilvanation when someone asks you about what kind of power it's putting down they are not asking BHP they are asking RWHP.

[Ensilvanation]

@camarospade oh not you again. The denses most hard headed baphoon on youtube. Who obviously doesn't comprehend what he reads or doesn't read through the comment before firing back with a rebuttle. Please read my comments over again and then get back to me.

[YouSoundButtHurt]

@Ensilvanation Most STOCK LS1 f-bodies dyno at over 300 hp. You better recognize.

[Ensilvanation]

@YouSoundButtHurt I better recognize? Or what...lol? Are you gonna try and sodomize me mr. Butthurt.

[YouSoundButtHurt]

Respond to this video...  LS1 f-bodies, especially the 2000+ models make OVER 300 to the wheels stock. You sound ignorant. I walked a LS2 easily the other day.

[Ensilvanation]

@YouSoundButtHurt Ok well guess what? That's your opinion. This is a forum to do so, so that's ok, but if your gonna sit here and tell me you walked an LS2 GTO with a stock T/A than you either raced an auto, a noob, or a paraplegic, but you won't beat me with a stock T/a that's for sure.

[rangere3rd]

@Ensilvanation1998-2002 ran LS1's and everyone says they only run 325RWHP wrong do your research gm underated them so they could sell them cheaper gm High performance tested this, stock WS.6 LS1's made 410 to 420hp and you should know that V8 engines loose 15% to the wheels comes out to 350 to 360RWHP the LS2's were rated at 375RWHP but they weighed more so it came out almost dead evan but if u take out the jack and tire ect you can have an advantage over the GTo by power to weight ratio.

[DJVADO17]

that's a pretty heavy cameraman =/

[elnrownr]

wow i just dont see how a passenger made that much of a difference

[mitchellsealcoating]

sorry typo 3

[mitchellsealcoating]

well the ta hit it on and the gto hit on 3 then go but i still love both cars

[jh2586]

it's actually more than 185lbs.. by you switching the passenger to the trans am.. it's removing 185lbs from the gto while simultaneously adding it to the trans am.. which means.. 185 + 185 = 370lbs

the weight difference is setting each car back by about 2 full sized adults.. which is around 370lbs

good race though

[Bigmaker223]

That's a bad ass t/a bro Dame!

[HiImCaysE]

That's one heavy passenger. ;)

[ronj82]

The extra weight wasnt everything in that race.

[ronj82]

The torque management kills the gtos performance. I notice with my 05 I have to launch it just right to get maximum performance. And it takes a pretty tuned in driver to coax it out. Thats why a lot of these gtos are getting walked by cars with 100 less hp. They are hard to drive with all the factory BS in the tuning.

[Bigmaker223]

@ronj82 TRUE my brother 06 GTO has cai, an a tune he tears me a new ass everytime, I was beating him before the tune.

[ohnevergoingtoquit]

a fucking 2005 gto, gay. get a fucking 1966.

[Pontisti]

Okay....so you want everybody to throw there hands in the air like a bunch of stupids....and get a 1966...something's wrong with you, you need to immediately go to your doctor and get your head examined, nobody in the right mind thinks that way let alone types it in so the world can try to figure out whats loose in your head.

[LETHLSS]

LS1 FTW!!!