I aint got pissed off of anyone but i am so pissed off because of your derogatory comments. you can not even hold a discussion or debate normally. you tend to swear unnecessarily. you are likely to have coprolalia.
, "china" as a term for porcelain was spelled differently from the name of the country, the two words being derived from separate Persian words.[15] Both these words are derived from the Sanskrit word Cīna (चीन),[15] used as a name for China as early as AD 150.[16]. SO NO SANSKRIT NO CHINA..LOL ..NO INDIA NO CHINA..
CHINA = jAHNANA/DHYANA.. SANSKRIT WORD IS CINA. pls do a wikipedia serach type etymology. check 18 arhats on wiki, you will find it came from buddhism in china.it compares 18 indian terms to chinese. so no point in there while arguing it existed before.atleast you need to agree that buddhism introduced 18 hands. so your claims are invalid when you say "it existed before" ..otherwords no chance to exist before buddhism.. Only bodydharma did it ( dedcutive reasoning)because he went there.
BTW, this guy was pissed off at ChrisCrudelli during one of the episodes of KickAss Miracles. Chris pretty much embarrassed this guy by insisting & suggesting that kalaripayatu & his teachings specifically is not original and is only a copy of different other martial arts.
YEA, monk created lol.. and named it in Sankrit where Monks can only speak Chinese.. lmao..... Chinese monks named it as ARHAT ? ahaha and why it is 18 as same as in kalari?
what is SHAOLIN DAMO CANE THEN? why it is DAMO ? who is it ? Why it is related to Bodhi ? Just for a respect ?
Argument against Yi Jin Jing is an allegation then only It favours Chinese. This case has not been taken internationally but Chinese Scholars.No wonder what a Chinese Scholar would do.
YEA, monk created lol.. and named it in Sankrit where Monks can only speak Chinese.. lmao..... Chinese monks named it as ARHAT ? ahaha and why it is 18 as same as in kalari?
what is SHAOLIN DAMO CANE THEN? why it is DAMO ? who is it ? Why it is related to Bodhi ? Just for a respect ?
Argument against Yi Jin Jing is an allegation then only It favours Chinese. This case has not been taken internationally but Chinese Scholars.No wonder what a Chinese Scholar would do.
stop lying to make yourselves feel better about your sad history. how can something as big as bodhi transferring kung fu not have ONE credible record? not ONE indian source AT ALL?
how come its ONLY SOURCE was regarded by scholars of its time (Qing) as written by "AN IGNORANT VILLAGE MASTER"?
for anyone who isnt a dumbass and seriously want to know the truth of the source to all these fantasy claims that indian love to use so much.
1. WIKI YI JIN JING
2. first section, ORIGINS
3. RIGHT BENEATH IT, "MODERN SCHOLARLY RESEARCH"
READ FOR YOURSELF, ALL THE MISTAKES THAT PREFACE of 1800s version of Yi Jin Jing has. THAT is the ONLY source that credit kung fu to bodhi, and its a source historians (even ones during its time period) DISCREDIT.
this is all a game. you spend all your time linking shaolin kung fu to 18 luo han hands, but completely ignore how the monks created the 18 luo han hands by looking at statues. right there, your base is gone.
but even before that, you dont have a single record that says bodhi brought kung fu in the first place. theres only 1 place, PREFACE of 1800s versions of yi jin jing that credits bodhi. it is FULL of historical errors and even Qing scholars of that time (1800s) said author was ignorant
At the Shaolin Monastery, these Eighteen Lohan Hands evolved into a kungfu set called Eighteen Lohan Fist, which forms the prototype of Shaolin Kungfu today. Nevertheless, the Eighteen Lohan Hands continued to be practised as chi kung exercise. From 18 lohan hands ,lohan boxing.. lol.pls refer further , i cant edify your idiocy
@shobyms HOLY SHIT, YOU'RE HERE TO. SO NOW YOU'RE SAYING THAT 18 ARHAT IS THE BASIS OF KUNG FU, UNFUCKINGBELIEVABLE. THE 18 LOHAN HANDS IS NOTHING BUT A FUCKING EXERCISE. AND THE 18 ARHAT IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. 18 ARHAT: 1Calico Bag 2Deer Sitting 3Doorman 4Elephant Riding 5Happy 6Laughing Lion 7Long Eyebrow 8Meditating 9Open Heart 10Oversea 11Plantain 12Raised Bowl 13Raised Hand 14Raised Pagoda 15Scratched Ear 16Taming Dragon 17Taming Tiger 18Thinking
@gbb357 is it? look at what wikipedia says then.. it shows clearly how indian arhats related to lohan 18 hands.. what is shaolin damo then? is not it from bodhi damo? hehe.. read my others posts well,it is more than enough to do a further research on this topic.. your postings lack logic and you rely on swearing when you argue..so it is completely manipulative to suppress.. ( classic sign of suppression online = swearing against the opponent"s comment"
@shobyms ...I didn't say it wasn't related, i simply said they're different and 18 lohan hands is just a fucking exercise. And how the fuck did you come to the conclusion that the 18 ASSHAT is the basis of Kung Fu. You're just pulling these info's out of your ASS without any credible factual proof. So how does it prove that Bodhi fucking taught Kung Fu when Kung Fu is more than an exercise & stretching, tell me how. My swearing is just an expression, can't handle it, then GTFO.
so18 hands were chi gung excercise ?lol. your modicum of Kung fu knowledge.. lets see what CMA article can say ----> bgtent*com/naturalcma/CMAarticle29.htm
first read this because i cant explain all in here and next one link for bodhidarma.Btw, how did they name "arhat or Bodhistavas 18 hand if it has nothing to do with bodhi? ahaha .ALL YOU COULD DO IS JUST ATTACK THE LINK WHICH SHOWS BODHI HAS A MARTIAL ART RELATION WITH CHINA...SO YOUR TRICK IS BODHI NEVER INTRODUCED "ARHAT" AHAHHA..
@angryaznman The characteristics of the Arhat boxing are plain and simple. It combines simplicity with the beauty of the expressions of the Arhats. It hides its combative skills and blows in the Arhat-like actions. Movements are smoothly comfortable and fully spread out with clear cut rhythms and the cooperation and coordination of attack and defence are rational. pls refer further about "Lohan Boxing styles from 18 hands" . you forgot and attacked me by saying LOHAN HANDS ARE JUST yogic..lol
@shobyms NOPE, you dont even get to claim the 18 luo han hands.
"The traditional story of its creation states that it was created by monks in the Shaolin Temple, by observing and imitating the forms and expressions of each Arhat Statue in the temple. "
it was NOT transferred by bodhi. it CLEARLY states the monks created the 18 luo han hands by observing the statues, NOT taught by someone else.
that is in the wiki page you keep telling me to read.
@angryaznman even if i quote the evidence, you will ignore it so whats the point..however, check wikipedia about lohan boxing or arhat and its relation with bodhi. Wikipedia clearly mentions Bodhi taught monks Kung fu. Why Monks needed a stretch session from bodhi if they are physically good? on the other hand, Bodhi found monks are too weak physically.. ahaha..I think I must ignore by this because you already started call others as "idiot" cause you are short tempered. you cant handle it.period
@shobyms you dont have any evidence. im still waiting for any historical record that credit bodhi with kung fu. you are just making things up and making inferences because you DONT HAVE ANY SOLID EVIDENCE.
BTW, i already know which "source" the claims come from. i already know martial arts historians disregard it. you lost from the start.
even from its BASE, the monks introduced all sorts of chinese kung fu elements in to THEIR version of luo han hands. and a base is all it is. if you actually see the 18 luo han stretches and see practicing style of one of the animal forms of kung fu, the difference is child and adult.
chuvattadi is the Indian name for 18 lohan hands in Kalari.. chuvattadi is 18 as same as lohan hands..all the throws,punches,blocks and cuts as same as lohan hands.. so any more evidence you need..i already showed similarities between animal styles and circling..
@angryaznman : en.wikipedia*org/wiki/Shaolin_Kung_Fu GO THrough the reference links in the end and read the whole wikipedia page given above. once you finish reading come back and answer me how ARHAT hand related to India. you already lost this argument because your style is ad hominem
@shobyms whats wrong? cant name any? i already told you, they are warm up chi gung exercises, not a martial art. you are an idiot if you tell people that you fight using luo han hands.
the 5 animal styles had its base in them, 18 stretches. in the end, 172 techniques were divided into the 5 animal styles. the difference is too great for something as BASIC as 18 luo han hands to claim.
LOL you cant even name 1 historical record that isnt the preface of 1800s yi jin jing and you say i lost.
if anyone wants to argue further,please try to argue about the origin18 lohan arhat hands after reading my previous posts. it is waste of time when someone has no idea about scientific dating,referencing or so on.
do you want me to go further? dude , i practised both styles ( shaolin and wudang ).Shuai jiao means wrestling not skilled martial art or so.. every nation had wrestling styles so you cant generalise and conclude that it is from shiao Jiao.Shiao Jiao just had wrestling,nothing else.
do you know what it means by "pakoda" ? huh? pak= god , oda = house check dictionary com for word origin.. noodles = nool( string) appam or idiyappam. lion dance ? drums ? what else..
would you rather say Chinese Pagodas are form China and no relation to India? wow.. refer again the origin of pagoda and how it travelled through. 18 adavukal( hand skills) of kalari = 18 lohan hands.There is an expression in South India therefore, " tried my 18 skills ( adavukal). kalari animal styles = kung fu animal styles..
so,no shiuan jiao animal style or 18 hands to compare with shaloin.. Tai chi circling = circle spinning of nepal.. tell what India got from China? noodles? still no.
even if you dont care if you dare to argue. Prove me ARHAT is not a sanskrit word and it has no relation to Bodhi darmas skill or his teaching en.wikipedia*org/wiki/Eighteen_Arhats .It is very clear that 18 hands are Indian style and pls refer further lionsroar.name/david_cox_history_of_northern_white_crane.htm
18 hands style never existed in China before Shaolin and found no evidence to prove it is from China or not. only link is go back to Kalari. you need to understand both side dude.
shuai jiao and kung fu has little relation in comparison and no evidence to back up.on the other hand, kalari or bodhidarma ( arhat) has more evidences. See, what China doing to Taiwan; power trip..same with Bhutan.. do not admit it even if you have no chance and your counterpart has evidence..I have noticed that you say " it has been dismissed" but do you have any proof? or just quacking out of nothing ?
they do dismiss for sure because it is your country or their country.I am not surprised when a scholar works for their own country. There is a bias then with their research. you couldn"t even come up with an explanation about "arahat" and you ignored it because if you try to respond , you will fail.You know that for sure. ARHAT cant be named without any reason. He taught 18 lohan hands or arhat,thats why its been called boshidarmas 18 hands.please read the shaolin history.
@6arcsn1sky not very sure though, kalari is one of the few very very ancient and old MA who knows man it MAY be longer than kung fu etc. This subject will forever be controversial one, which is older.
@MechPhantom Yeah, that's what these kalari experts claim, for the author of the Yi Jin Jing claims Shaolin martial arts came from that style though a few CMA are much older than Shaolin.
@6arcsn1sky yea i heard form most if not all sources shaolin come from kalari, pretty true i think form a monk alled Bodhidarma or damo, he learnt/studied kalari brought it there and taught the monks there, because of him shaolin kung fu was born ,still CMA lke qinna shuai jiao is like 3000 yrs old even older than shaolin kung fu
@6arcsn1sky ' so how Chinese got "Shaolin Luo Han Pu Shen Shi Ba Shou - Arhat Protect Body 18 Hands aka Da Tongbi Quan" ? ARHAT is an Indian sanskrit word.If China borrowed that word from India,then it has something to do with India. period. China wanted to have insularity over their culture where they borrowed many things from India.. but current Indian culture is so sickening..
@shobyms They probably got that terminology when Buddhism came to China. Keep in mind, the first two monks were former soldiers and had some martial skills to share with their fellow monks.
@6arcsn1sky So they just named it to respect Buddhism? huh.. Pali is the language of Buddhism not Sankrit..Sankrit word had been named by Bodhidarma because the language of South India was Samskritham or similar.S.indians preserved Sanskrit. The 18 arhat hands belongs to Bodhi still according to Shaolin monastery.Before, Bodhi they had a little practice from Chinese Wrestling or perhaps some manchurian influence.However,buddhism never promoted kung u widely before Bodh darmai in China.
@shobyms Learn to what respect to Buddhism? I know that the Chinese started out with shuai jiao, their native wrestling style during the dynasty years. Besides, why don't you mind my business since kalari wasn't in existence before Shaolin existed. The only thing Bodhidharma did was give Indian Buddhist lectures to the monks, and probably in the same, show some them a thing or two about yoga and stuff like that.
Shuai Jiao is just wrestling perhaps from Mongolia so China had to admit it is not from China..lol.. China wanted to have Nepal so they can claim Buddha..they almost did it with Bhutan..
@shobyms Probably to you shuai jiao came from the Mongols though records date it back further before the first ever recorded document about the Mongols. And leave out these later parts since I less care for them.
@6arcsn1sky .so tell me where "18 arhat hands" came from ? Do you know ARHAT is a sanskrit word ? for sure, it is because of Bodhi darma.. it is your pride to admit it..there is no other way that China can have Sanskrit word.If it is because of Buddhism then it must be through Pali. So only chance is Bodhidarma from South India who was a master of Kalari and other arts like Thang ta. you need to see Thang ta as well.. we have historical records and reports to back up not just mythologies.
@shobyms Why should I even care what arhat is? Guys like you are lame to believe such false story of kalaripayattu being the back bone to Chinese martial arts since most Chinese scholars and martial artists dismissed the whole thing. And like I said, CMA were around much longer than that Indian craft.
@6arcsn1sky ; so where are about shuai jiao - Mongol Style (蒙古) (This is the lineage from Mongolian wrestling) from ?tell me? you are an ignorant who wants to keep Chinese pride when you lost the plot with this argument. please refer the origin of shuai Jiao. you have no evidence to back up first of all and all you do is "it has been debunked".Mind you, Chinese people are very racist ( ask any international travellers).Even emigrants from China to UK,USA,Australia or New zealand.
@shobyms Oh no, you're the one who's being dumb in here since you believe in the whole idea of CMA coming from kalaripayattu and Mongol wrestling. Oh, you're also dumb to believe that about this whole Chinese pride crap. If you still believe on this nonsense, I pity you. I don't care on what you think of us martial artists that dismissed the whole thing since some CMA are older than kalaripayattu itself. I'm done dealing with dummies, such as you.
@6arcsn1sky PROVE IT THEN. ANY PROOF CMA existed prior to Kalari.. find out the historical dating atleast.. still it doesnt approve your claim because you then need to prove CMA influenced Shaloin.. oh man.. you need to read or get education..all you do is "quacking" ..just out of your obstinacy..goodluck
@shobyms All right, lets see. There's sword fighting, archery, and pole weapons, such as spears and glaives, and of course, shuai jiao since every culture all over the world would start out fighting by grappling. Happy?
A CLEAR COMBAT MOMENT: Mesopotamians were the first to engage in warfare over 8,000 years ago. Mongolian wrestling is the first combat art dating 7,000 years ago. From here i would say it is a toss up between India and China. Greece is next, then possibly Korea with its Ssireum wrestling. Then we go to Rome where all combatives are explored, armed and unarmed. Japan, Cambodia, Burma, Thailand, Indonesia, Fillipines, England, Norway, Scottland, Brazil, America and Canada.
cont- But people in power in India who are tyring to change history for thier own agenda are propogating myths that it was the Christian missionary who invented the "concept" of Dravidians and "pure tamil" that were corrupted by Hinduism/Aryanism and Sanskrit.Might is Right, not truth I suppose.Or those who can shout louder and farther than anybody are heard and the truth is no more valued.
cont- and some scholars have proved so.Tamil is the only language that has contributed innumerable words to other languages and yet "Scholars" are saying that those words have come from other languages to the tamil.There has always been consious attempts by hindi and sanskrit folks since Sangam time to do this an note that this was originally noted by foreign christian tamil scholars who came here as christian missionary during colonial times that includes Reverend G.U. Pope
-cont The term payityru nool is in current usage meaning book for learning or practice. Kalaripayitru is 100 percent tamil word, it is pretty obvious.It's like saying "batlle field learning time machine" is not a English word and some scholars are saying its from Arabic.
China and India separately developed martial art and both have heavy influence of each other. Both countries have underlying martial philosphies yoga, pranayama,kundalini, and taoism, tai chi, chi, qi gong.No other country has these underlying philopshies and such depth. They just have combat martial techniques.
Phillip Zarrilli, a professor at the University of Exeter and one of the few Western authorities on kalari payat, estimates that the art dates back to at least the 12th century CE. The historian Elamkulam Kunjan Pillai attributes the birth of kalari payat to an extended period of warfare between the Cheras and the Cholas in the 11th century CE.
In Sangam, Kalari was not used as a martial act according to dick Luijendijk, a researcher at the university of Nijmegen. "Kalari" is a centre of learning in Kerala. they taught language, math etc. later on, there were fight schools, thats what "payattu kalari" means.
@angryaznman Kalam is used to mean battle field in Sangam in numerous instances.The payitru is used is thiurukural and other sangam literature. whether "scholars" agree or not. payitryu means practice, in modern tamil it is tamil payirtchi but the root is payil and payitru is pure verbal noun meaning learning or practice. So it is generally battle field learning/practive or field leanring/practice. kalaripayitru is hundred percent pure tamil word and an ancient one that is. cont-
7. So in conclusion, there was kung fu before shaolin. There was shaolin kung fu before bodhi. The creation of the animal styles is documented, no bodhi. The one source that credits bodhi is faulty and the author of that one preface was viewed as an “IGNORANT VILLAGE MASTER”
6. Sinews Changing Classic: Scholars disregard this preface because it has many anachronistic mistakes and the fact that popular fictional characters from Chinese literature, including the "Bushy Bearded Hero" (虬髯客), are listed as lineage masters. In fact, Ling Tinkang (1757-1809), a SCHOLAR of the QING Dynasty, described the author (Li Jing) as an “IGNORANT VILLAGE MASTER”
5. The painting in Shaolin does NOT depict bodhi teaching shaolin monks. It actually only shows many shades of monks, all wearing Chinese clothes, practicing kung fu. Leave it to dreamers to think anyone who is a shade darker than light is Indian. Even if they were, no indication whatsoever about bodhi. PLUS the painting was done a THOUSAND years after bodhi’s time. It CANNOT be used as an indication of the past.
4. The ONE place that credits bodhi is discredited: ONLY the PREFACE of the 1800s VERSION of the Yijin Jing mentions Bodhi with kung fu at all. Historians (like Tang Hao, Xu Zhen and Matsuda Ryuchi) discredit this preface because it is FULL of INACCURACIES. Even getting the Emperor Reigns wrong.
3. Creation of 5 animal kung fu styles is documented, NO BODHI: Jueyuan was a master of the 18 Luohan Hands. the original 18 techniques of Shaolin. He expand to 72, but wanted to do more. He travel to Gansu Province to the city of Lanzhou and met Li Sou. He was a master of Hong Quan. they work with Bai YuFeng and expand the 72 techniques to around 170. Those 170 techniques were than divided into the 5 animal forms.
2. Shaolin kung fu predates bodhi: The 2 men who became the VERY FIRST Shaolin monks were ALREADY experts in kung fu. Shaolin kung fu came from them. ("History of Chinese Martial arts: Jin Dynasty to the Period of Disunity") Also, they found weapons in the monestaries of Chang'an. ("Martial arts Myths of Shaolin Monastery, Part I: The Giant with the Flaming Staff") Suggesting the monks already practied martial arts.
1. Kung Fu predates shaolin: Spring and Autumn Annals of Wu and Yue, the Bibliographies in the Book of the Han Dynasty and the Records of the Grand Historian all document martial arts that predate Shaolin. A good example is Shuai Jiao, grappling martial art.
From my research Greece had Pankration about 4000 years ago. Then came China with Shuaii Jiao about 4600 years ago. Then came India and so on and so fort.
Elamkulam Kunjan Pillai was a historian and scholar from Kerala, India, who through his works enriched the field of historical research of Kerala
Dick Luijendijk, a researcher at the university of Nijmegen
Phillip Zarrilli practitioner of Kalarippayattu and Marma Adi. One of the notable Western authorities on the subject of Indian martial arts. Zarrilli authored the first definitive study of Kalarippayattu, "When the Body Becomes All Eyes:"
kalari is a centre of learning in Kerala. they taught math etc. later, there were fight schools, thats what payattu kalari means.
kalari the word in Sangam was NOT used as a martial act according to Dick Luijendijk, a researcher at the university of Nijmegen.
Phillip Zarilli, one of the few western scholars on KP and Elamkulam Kunjan Pillai an Indian historian. both are recognized authorities on KP. they date the MARTIAL ART at 11 and 12 century, not the term/tradition.
so not only did the FIRST 2 shaolin monks already know kung fu, not only was there chinese MA BEFORE kalari.
but last but not least, the ONE source that give bodhi credit, is the PREFACE of the 1800s VERSION of the Yi Jin Jing (not in the YJJ itself). This preface is also full of errors. Martial Arts Historians Tang Hao, Xu Zhen and Matsuda Ryuchi have now discredited the preface and the bodidharma myth as well. END.
18 luo han hands were by the 18 luo han monks. The 5 animal styles were from Li Sou, Hong Quan and Jueyuan. There is nothing left for bodhi to claim LMAO.
Yes, I heard of the painting. One problem, first, it only shows various shaded monks all wearing Chinese clothes practicing. Second, it doesn’t say anything about bodhidharma. Third, it was done during Ming, a MILLENIUM AFTER bodhi’s time. So way to go.
You have missed the point. Whether or not Bodhidharma taught the monks fighting techniques is not important. The important thing is that he was a spiritual teacher, and it was the spiritual discipline and focus of the monks that elevated Shaolin Kung Fu above other fighting disciplines. If you ever come across a true spiritual master you will find you value them above all other teachers. In this way it can be said Bodhidharma was the founder of Shaoilin Kung Fu.
@KDS3000 like i said, you can only give credit where credits due.
spiritual stuff for MONKS only. all the forms, all the techniques were already created by others. you cant magically make him a founder of something that was already found.
Shaolin Kung Fu is inextricably linked with Buddhism. I would argue that If you remove the Spiritual side then it would become something fundamentally different. As far as I am aware, Buddhism originated in India, not China.
For some reason you do not seem to give much importance to the spiritual aspect of the art. Maybe you were unaware but Shaolin was a MONASTERY.
Canzonieri, Salvatore (FebruaryMarch 1998). "History of Chinese Martial arts: Jin Dynasty to the Period of Disunity". Han Wei Wushu 3 (9).
explains that the two men who became the FIRST shaolin monks, were already experts in kung fu. Senchou's skill with the Tin Staff is recorded in the Chinese Buddhist Canon.
Once again you missed the point. I am not disputing the fact that Martial Arts existed in China before Bodhidharma’s arrival. What I am saying is that the Spiritual knowledge and practices that Bodhidharma brought from India are what elevated Shaolin Kung Fu above other Martial Arts. Without the Spiritual element Shaolin Kung Fu would just have been one style among many, and would not have spread around the world.
@angryaznman jin Dynasty is not so long ago, you should watch the video "5000 year old indian martial arts" about a russian professor who has decoded ancient 5000 yr. old sanskrit texts,which the nazi's also tried to decode because they were looking for a secret weapon but they did not succeed. This professor did, and desrcibes this a collection of al the knowledge there is in martial arts with al death striking and breaking as well as nervepoints and is now teaching it to the spetsnaz! reallly
@angryaznman The Chinese had a wrestling art called Shuai Jaio, not sure I spelled it right. They claim that this art is 4600 years old. In Egypt they had tumbling wrestling, stick fighting and wrapped hand fighting. It dates back to 6000 years. Before them was the Sumerians of Mesopotania, 10000 BC. This was old Iraq, armies developed here with all types of combat. Most was with arrows and swords, but some was hand to hand.
its amazing...people dont even know basic fighting and they want to learn win chung,aikido etc...man learn something basic and be good at it..thats all u need in everyday life...ever be in a street fight? you dont know when and how you get hit or how many punches coming your way at once. you just learn to block or duck and hit back with bad ass intent... basics and be good at it....
It is my experience that these demonstrations fool people who don't know anything about knife fighting. having an uke who does predetermined moves is much different than facing someone who is trying to cut you. As my sensei always said. "If you get in a knife fight with someone who knows nothing you are going to get cut, if you knife fight with someone who knows something...you are going to get cut badly. Knife fights are brutal, ask anyone who has been in a real one.
Suprise is a martial artists only hope against a gun. Guns and firearm technologys are the ultimate martial arts of killing, Hand to hand combat is obsolete compared to these.
Remember that the introduction of fire arms in Japan ended the centuries old Samurai culture. The only thing we as martial artist can do when it comes to guns is to learn how to use them and in learning disarming techniques never try them in real life unless you're close enough and are ready to die if you make a mistake.
Well killing is fine in war and thogh I carry a gun irl Id rather use my fists simply because unless they use leathal force. I dont need to use it either? Whats wrong? You afraid of getting an ass kicking? At least then both of ya live. Wounds heal.
According to the famed Karate Grandmaster Masutatsu Oyama in his book "Advanced Karate" on pg.13 "The oldest known records concerning combat techniques, hierogylphic scrolls, dating as far back as 4000 B.C." He also stated that Bhodhidharma traveled to China and combined his combat and yogic breathing exercises with indigenous Chinese martial arts at a temple called Shaolin.
I think if Indians plan to study in western countries, they should take a page out of the books of Kalari, then maybe they wont be mugged by drug additcs and criminals who see Indians as soft targets.
This is one of the best documentaries I have ever seen. Yes Bodhi Dharma did teach Kalaripayat to the Shaolin monks which became Chuan Fa aka Kung Fu -- its totally true and accurately researched. Thanks so much for posting.
i dont know if i beleive that kalari was the first form of martial art, but i would shure like to seethe indian martial arts peaople and the shoulin munks train together for a few years and see what comes of it.
true sometimes am just amazed at how similar both these arts are yet both also have a lot to offer individually... the core principles are probably same
i did mma before and I'd say those guys are fast and in very good condition. Impressive stuff. I wouldn't want one of them attacking me with a knife or sword. Just because someone can't beat up Chuck Liddel doesn't mean it is a useless art against the average attacker. How many top UFC guys are going to be street muggers ? Stop the hating and have some respect!
Tis must be what Altaiir from assassin's creed must've done, I want to learn it, but there are no schools for it near me and, I to finish karate first and get my black belt. But this looks amazing!! :D
It`s very very interesting, but... looks like a dance.
That Guru master it`s an interesting person, but I don`t think he could use that moves in a street fight. Pherhaps they should go to a tournament and prove they style against others...
I say so. Maybe I`m wrong. But Thsi Gurumaster could do anything against a fighter like Masatatsu Oyama?
I know this is not a video game. But have Kalaripayat tested in a fight with other styles? Did Kalary fighters compete with Shaolin anytime? It would be absolutly awsome. Don`t get me wrong, bro. I`m just a martial arts lover. I dream with Parasuram and his unleashed skills..
I must say that I`ve never seen a real Kalaripayat fight. All videos I`ve seen are about training and coreographies.
Does they fight for real sometime? please don`t tell me "somebody could die in a real fight because techniques are so dangerous..." cause you can say that in every styles. Other martial arts have real combats, obviously with some rules. But they can show very good techniques anyway. Can you imagine a Kalaripayat in an open tournament?
As for street fights any martial art that develops the power of Chi is good enough. But masters at that level do not get themselves into street fights. Developing Chi also develops spiritual power so there is no need to prove ones power. It is usually half baked idiots with ego problems who go looking for street fights. I am sure some of those elderly Tai chi masters in Wudang could easily kill if they had the desire to do so.
A great master or a student don`t need to search a street fight. You don`t ask "hey, attack me, I wanna have some troubles". You can learn a ver mystic and internal martial art, or you can learn boxing or maybe you just are a natural born fighter. In every cases you could be in a problem if a criminal wants your wallet and kill you.
You don`t need a stupid ego to prove your skills in a tournament. You can go and compete as a sport with more or less combat. Not every people who goes to a competition are stupid...
My point is about to test the skills of Kalaripayat practicioners.
They don`t need to kill anybody to show it.
Every styles go to tournaments sometime.
Kalaripayat looks great but I have seen only coreographies. And, as I said, you don`t need to search for a street fight. Troubles come suddenly. A master or whoever needs to defend himself sometime. Of course, a real master doesn`t start a street fight, but he can go to a tournament...
Troubles do not come suddenly. Your mind creates your reality. Humans are 100% responsible for what happens in their life. People get attacked because they expect it in their subconcious mind. The Buddha was faced by one the most ferocious killers in history (Angulimala) and his powerful energy was enough to bring the bandit to his knees.
Explain about Buddha, inlightment, mind, and RESPONSABILITY to a woman who is raped when SUDDENLY a violator attack her. Explain about all that think when, SUDDENLY a criminal ambush you. Cause SUDDENLY that things happen. You and me are not inlightment Buddhas. When a little girlo or boy are attacked by a criminal, it`s not their responsability. Martial arts could help us to defend our selves, not garantee, but could help...
But we create our future through thoughts. That is fact whether you like it or not. I used Buddha as an example but there are ordinary people who can attest to this
So, a lil child who died after been raped is responsable by his toughts?...
There is a lot of theory, but this is the world, with terrible and great things. Martial arts can help people sometimes if they are in a dangerous situation. Not %100 efective but can save your life. Has you can see aplications of differents styles in a tournament or even in the streets I`d like to see Kalaripayat in action...
but not everybody is buddha my friend to deliver such a powerful force of love against a serial killer like angulimala.that is why we indians(boddhidharma) tought the buddhist monks of china shaolin kung fu to protect themselves from bandits and pirates.
My point is that the traditional arts do not have practitioners who understand the true philosophy and mindset. The understanding of prana and universal mind is vital to being an invincible fighter. That is why these days traditional arts are dismissed because they dont have the real practitioners anymore.
This is why most MA will get killed on the street if they are attacked by criminals with guns and knives.
First, read and then, coment. this is what sonofthedestroyer said....
"My point is that the traditional arts do not have practitioners who understand the true philosophy and mindset. The understanding of prana and universal mind is vital to being an invincible fighter. That is why these days traditional arts are dismissed because they dont have the real practitioners anymore.
This is why most MA will get killed on the street if they are attacked by criminals with guns and knives. "
im sorry that is the most stupidest thing i have ever heard lol... now dont go abt getting bitter over me and start swearing. i was just being honest.
why dont you explain what you felt was stupid about the video instead of branding it with you limited vocabulary . it would be no surprise then you would receive bittterness or swear words
hey you, I wasn't talking about the video I was responding to someone's remarks about the video. Please don't go around randomly replying to everyone's hate comments. Thanks.
@DIEGOKEN242 its more like street fight than kung fu or karate . kalari uses grappling or throwing movements like kravmaga, if the fight ended in ground A guru like him easily manage to fight like bjj if i compare but kalarippayattu is smooth and flowy as kung fu(Im from kerala and have personal experiances with it but i train karate, also a good art but i wanna learn this)
Every styles of martial arts have combats. With some rules of course. But anyway you can see great techniques.
I`d like to see Kalaripayat in an open tournament.
Every style has techniques that could kill someone, but they can also put some rules and organize tournaments. If Kalaripayat is the best they could show some techniques in a tournament. I like too much this style. It`s very intresting and I respect this master.
Kalaripayattu is a killing art. It was used by warriors to kill their enemy. Bodhidharma who was a Kalari master modified it when he went to China so it was in accordance with Buddhist non violent values.
I aint got pissed off of anyone but i am so pissed off because of your derogatory comments. you can not even hold a discussion or debate normally. you tend to swear unnecessarily. you are likely to have coprolalia.
shobyms 5 months ago
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en.wikipedia*org/wiki/China#Etymology ( read below)
, "china" as a term for porcelain was spelled differently from the name of the country, the two words being derived from separate Persian words.[15] Both these words are derived from the Sanskrit word Cīna (चीन),[15] used as a name for China as early as AD 150.[16]. SO NO SANSKRIT NO CHINA..LOL ..NO INDIA NO CHINA..
shobyms 5 months ago
CHINA = jAHNANA/DHYANA.. SANSKRIT WORD IS CINA. pls do a wikipedia serach type etymology. check 18 arhats on wiki, you will find it came from buddhism in china.it compares 18 indian terms to chinese. so no point in there while arguing it existed before.atleast you need to agree that buddhism introduced 18 hands. so your claims are invalid when you say "it existed before" ..otherwords no chance to exist before buddhism.. Only bodydharma did it ( dedcutive reasoning)because he went there.
shobyms 5 months ago
BTW, this guy was pissed off at ChrisCrudelli during one of the episodes of KickAss Miracles. Chris pretty much embarrassed this guy by insisting & suggesting that kalaripayatu & his teachings specifically is not original and is only a copy of different other martial arts.
gbb357 5 months ago
Ying Yang = Indian Swastika.. nothing else..no ying yand , no tai chi internal arts..lol
shobyms 5 months ago
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YEA, monk created lol.. and named it in Sankrit where Monks can only speak Chinese.. lmao..... Chinese monks named it as ARHAT ? ahaha and why it is 18 as same as in kalari?
what is SHAOLIN DAMO CANE THEN? why it is DAMO ? who is it ? Why it is related to Bodhi ? Just for a respect ?
Argument against Yi Jin Jing is an allegation then only It favours Chinese. This case has not been taken internationally but Chinese Scholars.No wonder what a Chinese Scholar would do.
shobyms 5 months ago
YEA, monk created lol.. and named it in Sankrit where Monks can only speak Chinese.. lmao..... Chinese monks named it as ARHAT ? ahaha and why it is 18 as same as in kalari?
what is SHAOLIN DAMO CANE THEN? why it is DAMO ? who is it ? Why it is related to Bodhi ? Just for a respect ?
Argument against Yi Jin Jing is an allegation then only It favours Chinese. This case has not been taken internationally but Chinese Scholars.No wonder what a Chinese Scholar would do.
shobyms 5 months ago
stop lying to make yourselves feel better about your sad history. how can something as big as bodhi transferring kung fu not have ONE credible record? not ONE indian source AT ALL?
how come its ONLY SOURCE was regarded by scholars of its time (Qing) as written by "AN IGNORANT VILLAGE MASTER"?
angryaznman 5 months ago
for anyone who isnt a dumbass and seriously want to know the truth of the source to all these fantasy claims that indian love to use so much.
1. WIKI YI JIN JING
2. first section, ORIGINS
3. RIGHT BENEATH IT, "MODERN SCHOLARLY RESEARCH"
READ FOR YOURSELF, ALL THE MISTAKES THAT PREFACE of 1800s version of Yi Jin Jing has. THAT is the ONLY source that credit kung fu to bodhi, and its a source historians (even ones during its time period) DISCREDIT.
games over.
angryaznman 5 months ago
this is all a game. you spend all your time linking shaolin kung fu to 18 luo han hands, but completely ignore how the monks created the 18 luo han hands by looking at statues. right there, your base is gone.
but even before that, you dont have a single record that says bodhi brought kung fu in the first place. theres only 1 place, PREFACE of 1800s versions of yi jin jing that credits bodhi. it is FULL of historical errors and even Qing scholars of that time (1800s) said author was ignorant
angryaznman 5 months ago
At the Shaolin Monastery, these Eighteen Lohan Hands evolved into a kungfu set called Eighteen Lohan Fist, which forms the prototype of Shaolin Kungfu today. Nevertheless, the Eighteen Lohan Hands continued to be practised as chi kung exercise. From 18 lohan hands ,lohan boxing.. lol.pls refer further , i cant edify your idiocy
shobyms 5 months ago
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gbb357 5 months ago
@shobyms HOLY SHIT, YOU'RE HERE TO. SO NOW YOU'RE SAYING THAT 18 ARHAT IS THE BASIS OF KUNG FU, UNFUCKINGBELIEVABLE. THE 18 LOHAN HANDS IS NOTHING BUT A FUCKING EXERCISE. AND THE 18 ARHAT IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. 18 ARHAT: 1Calico Bag 2Deer Sitting 3Doorman 4Elephant Riding 5Happy 6Laughing Lion 7Long Eyebrow 8Meditating 9Open Heart 10Oversea 11Plantain 12Raised Bowl 13Raised Hand 14Raised Pagoda 15Scratched Ear 16Taming Dragon 17Taming Tiger 18Thinking
gbb357 5 months ago
@gbb357 is it? look at what wikipedia says then.. it shows clearly how indian arhats related to lohan 18 hands.. what is shaolin damo then? is not it from bodhi damo? hehe.. read my others posts well,it is more than enough to do a further research on this topic.. your postings lack logic and you rely on swearing when you argue..so it is completely manipulative to suppress.. ( classic sign of suppression online = swearing against the opponent"s comment"
shobyms 5 months ago
@shobyms ...I didn't say it wasn't related, i simply said they're different and 18 lohan hands is just a fucking exercise. And how the fuck did you come to the conclusion that the 18 ASSHAT is the basis of Kung Fu. You're just pulling these info's out of your ASS without any credible factual proof. So how does it prove that Bodhi fucking taught Kung Fu when Kung Fu is more than an exercise & stretching, tell me how. My swearing is just an expression, can't handle it, then GTFO.
gbb357 5 months ago
@shobyms 18 LOHAN HANDS: 1 Lifting the Sky 2Shooting Arrows 3Plucking Stars 4Turning Head 5Thrust Punch 6Merry-go-Round 7Carrying the Moon
8Nourishing Kidneys 9Three Levels to Ground 10Dancing Crane 11Carrying Mountains 12Drawing Knife 13Presenting Claws 14Pushing Mountains 15Separating Water 16Big Windmill 17Deep Knee Bending 18Rotating Knees
gbb357 5 months ago
im still waiting for any historical document that can say that bodhi is credited with kung fu???
angryaznman 5 months ago
so18 hands were chi gung excercise ?lol. your modicum of Kung fu knowledge.. lets see what CMA article can say ----> bgtent*com/naturalcma/CMAarticle29.htm
first read this because i cant explain all in here and next one link for bodhidarma.Btw, how did they name "arhat or Bodhistavas 18 hand if it has nothing to do with bodhi? ahaha .ALL YOU COULD DO IS JUST ATTACK THE LINK WHICH SHOWS BODHI HAS A MARTIAL ART RELATION WITH CHINA...SO YOUR TRICK IS BODHI NEVER INTRODUCED "ARHAT" AHAHHA..
shobyms 5 months ago
YOUR SITE
"They kept many of Shuai Chiao's wu shu (martial arts) concepts
they kept the Rou Qi Gong and Rou Quan movements and postures found in these secret sets and made them part of the Luohan forms"
here is YOUR ARHAT"Originally, the style was composed of one set of loose techniques, the "18 Routines of the Lohan" (routines meaning "patterns")."
its clear to anyone who can read i was right and you are using some basic stretches to claim complex kung fu styles.
HUGE JOKE.
angryaznman 5 months ago
@angryaznman The characteristics of the Arhat boxing are plain and simple. It combines simplicity with the beauty of the expressions of the Arhats. It hides its combative skills and blows in the Arhat-like actions. Movements are smoothly comfortable and fully spread out with clear cut rhythms and the cooperation and coordination of attack and defence are rational. pls refer further about "Lohan Boxing styles from 18 hands" . you forgot and attacked me by saying LOHAN HANDS ARE JUST yogic..lol
shobyms 5 months ago
@shobyms NOPE, you dont even get to claim the 18 luo han hands.
"The traditional story of its creation states that it was created by monks in the Shaolin Temple, by observing and imitating the forms and expressions of each Arhat Statue in the temple. "
it was NOT transferred by bodhi. it CLEARLY states the monks created the 18 luo han hands by observing the statues, NOT taught by someone else.
that is in the wiki page you keep telling me to read.
angryaznman 5 months ago
@angryaznman even if i quote the evidence, you will ignore it so whats the point..however, check wikipedia about lohan boxing or arhat and its relation with bodhi. Wikipedia clearly mentions Bodhi taught monks Kung fu. Why Monks needed a stretch session from bodhi if they are physically good? on the other hand, Bodhi found monks are too weak physically.. ahaha..I think I must ignore by this because you already started call others as "idiot" cause you are short tempered. you cant handle it.period
shobyms 5 months ago
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@shobyms NO IT DOESNT. you keep lying because you know what you are saying is BULLSHIT.
under origin-history. where they say
"The attribution of Shaolin's martial arts to Bodhidharma has been discounted by several 20th century martial arts historians"
angryaznman 5 months ago
@shobyms you dont have any evidence. im still waiting for any historical record that credit bodhi with kung fu. you are just making things up and making inferences because you DONT HAVE ANY SOLID EVIDENCE.
BTW, i already know which "source" the claims come from. i already know martial arts historians disregard it. you lost from the start.
angryaznman 5 months ago
@shobyms YOU KEEP SAYING CHECK WIKI. I THINK YOU NEED TO.
1. WIKI SHAOLIN KUNG FU
2. ORIGIN
3. READ THE "HISTORY" PART YOU CLOWN. it is RIGHT AFTER the myth on bodhidharama
angryaznman 5 months ago
even from its BASE, the monks introduced all sorts of chinese kung fu elements in to THEIR version of luo han hands. and a base is all it is. if you actually see the 18 luo han stretches and see practicing style of one of the animal forms of kung fu, the difference is child and adult.
angryaznman 5 months ago
chuvattadi is the Indian name for 18 lohan hands in Kalari.. chuvattadi is 18 as same as lohan hands..all the throws,punches,blocks and cuts as same as lohan hands.. so any more evidence you need..i already showed similarities between animal styles and circling..
shobyms 5 months ago
@shobyms stop wasting everyones time making things up. which historical record say kung fu came from bodhi?
you idiot, the 18 lohan hands were chi gung exercises. there is no combat element to it. that is what indian monks do. stretch and meditate.
angryaznman 5 months ago
@angryaznman : en.wikipedia*org/wiki/Shaolin_Kung_Fu GO THrough the reference links in the end and read the whole wikipedia page given above. once you finish reading come back and answer me how ARHAT hand related to India. you already lost this argument because your style is ad hominem
shobyms 5 months ago
@shobyms whats wrong? cant name any? i already told you, they are warm up chi gung exercises, not a martial art. you are an idiot if you tell people that you fight using luo han hands.
the 5 animal styles had its base in them, 18 stretches. in the end, 172 techniques were divided into the 5 animal styles. the difference is too great for something as BASIC as 18 luo han hands to claim.
LOL you cant even name 1 historical record that isnt the preface of 1800s yi jin jing and you say i lost.
angryaznman 5 months ago
@shobyms LMFAO, your wiki page, you clearly MISSED the part under origin-history. you know, where they say
"The attribution of Shaolin's martial arts to Bodhidharma has been discounted by several 20th century martial arts historians"
angryaznman 5 months ago
if anyone wants to argue further,please try to argue about the origin18 lohan arhat hands after reading my previous posts. it is waste of time when someone has no idea about scientific dating,referencing or so on.
shobyms 5 months ago
do you want me to go further? dude , i practised both styles ( shaolin and wudang ).Shuai jiao means wrestling not skilled martial art or so.. every nation had wrestling styles so you cant generalise and conclude that it is from shiao Jiao.Shiao Jiao just had wrestling,nothing else.
shobyms 5 months ago
do you know what it means by "pakoda" ? huh? pak= god , oda = house check dictionary com for word origin.. noodles = nool( string) appam or idiyappam. lion dance ? drums ? what else..
shobyms 5 months ago
would you rather say Chinese Pagodas are form China and no relation to India? wow.. refer again the origin of pagoda and how it travelled through. 18 adavukal( hand skills) of kalari = 18 lohan hands.There is an expression in South India therefore, " tried my 18 skills ( adavukal). kalari animal styles = kung fu animal styles..
so,no shiuan jiao animal style or 18 hands to compare with shaloin.. Tai chi circling = circle spinning of nepal.. tell what India got from China? noodles? still no.
shobyms 5 months ago
even if you dont care if you dare to argue. Prove me ARHAT is not a sanskrit word and it has no relation to Bodhi darmas skill or his teaching en.wikipedia*org/wiki/Eighteen_Arhats .It is very clear that 18 hands are Indian style and pls refer further lionsroar.name/david_cox_history_of_northern_white_crane.htm
18 hands style never existed in China before Shaolin and found no evidence to prove it is from China or not. only link is go back to Kalari. you need to understand both side dude.
shobyms 5 months ago
shuai jiao and kung fu has little relation in comparison and no evidence to back up.on the other hand, kalari or bodhidarma ( arhat) has more evidences. See, what China doing to Taiwan; power trip..same with Bhutan.. do not admit it even if you have no chance and your counterpart has evidence..I have noticed that you say " it has been dismissed" but do you have any proof? or just quacking out of nothing ?
shobyms 5 months ago
they do dismiss for sure because it is your country or their country.I am not surprised when a scholar works for their own country. There is a bias then with their research. you couldn"t even come up with an explanation about "arahat" and you ignored it because if you try to respond , you will fail.You know that for sure. ARHAT cant be named without any reason. He taught 18 lohan hands or arhat,thats why its been called boshidarmas 18 hands.please read the shaolin history.
shobyms 5 months ago
this is the root of shaolin kung fu , very nice kalari !
MechPhantom 10 months ago
@MechPhantom Nope, Chinese martial arts had been in existence before kalaripayattu.
6arcsn1sky 6 months ago
@6arcsn1sky not very sure though, kalari is one of the few very very ancient and old MA who knows man it MAY be longer than kung fu etc. This subject will forever be controversial one, which is older.
MechPhantom 6 months ago
@MechPhantom Yeah, that's what these kalari experts claim, for the author of the Yi Jin Jing claims Shaolin martial arts came from that style though a few CMA are much older than Shaolin.
6arcsn1sky 6 months ago
@6arcsn1sky yea i heard form most if not all sources shaolin come from kalari, pretty true i think form a monk alled Bodhidarma or damo, he learnt/studied kalari brought it there and taught the monks there, because of him shaolin kung fu was born ,still CMA lke qinna shuai jiao is like 3000 yrs old even older than shaolin kung fu
MechPhantom 6 months ago
@6arcsn1sky ' so how Chinese got "Shaolin Luo Han Pu Shen Shi Ba Shou - Arhat Protect Body 18 Hands aka Da Tongbi Quan" ? ARHAT is an Indian sanskrit word.If China borrowed that word from India,then it has something to do with India. period. China wanted to have insularity over their culture where they borrowed many things from India.. but current Indian culture is so sickening..
shobyms 5 months ago
@shobyms They probably got that terminology when Buddhism came to China. Keep in mind, the first two monks were former soldiers and had some martial skills to share with their fellow monks.
6arcsn1sky 5 months ago
@6arcsn1sky So they just named it to respect Buddhism? huh.. Pali is the language of Buddhism not Sankrit..Sankrit word had been named by Bodhidarma because the language of South India was Samskritham or similar.S.indians preserved Sanskrit. The 18 arhat hands belongs to Bodhi still according to Shaolin monastery.Before, Bodhi they had a little practice from Chinese Wrestling or perhaps some manchurian influence.However,buddhism never promoted kung u widely before Bodh darmai in China.
shobyms 5 months ago
Buddhism never brought Sanskrit to China but Bodhidarma for sure. do a retrospective deductive reasoning..
shobyms 5 months ago
@shobyms Learn to what respect to Buddhism? I know that the Chinese started out with shuai jiao, their native wrestling style during the dynasty years. Besides, why don't you mind my business since kalari wasn't in existence before Shaolin existed. The only thing Bodhidharma did was give Indian Buddhist lectures to the monks, and probably in the same, show some them a thing or two about yoga and stuff like that.
6arcsn1sky 5 months ago
Shuai Jiao is just wrestling perhaps from Mongolia so China had to admit it is not from China..lol.. China wanted to have Nepal so they can claim Buddha..they almost did it with Bhutan..
shobyms 5 months ago
@shobyms Probably to you shuai jiao came from the Mongols though records date it back further before the first ever recorded document about the Mongols. And leave out these later parts since I less care for them.
6arcsn1sky 5 months ago
@6arcsn1sky .so tell me where "18 arhat hands" came from ? Do you know ARHAT is a sanskrit word ? for sure, it is because of Bodhi darma.. it is your pride to admit it..there is no other way that China can have Sanskrit word.If it is because of Buddhism then it must be through Pali. So only chance is Bodhidarma from South India who was a master of Kalari and other arts like Thang ta. you need to see Thang ta as well.. we have historical records and reports to back up not just mythologies.
shobyms 5 months ago
@shobyms Why should I even care what arhat is? Guys like you are lame to believe such false story of kalaripayattu being the back bone to Chinese martial arts since most Chinese scholars and martial artists dismissed the whole thing. And like I said, CMA were around much longer than that Indian craft.
6arcsn1sky 5 months ago
@6arcsn1sky ; so where are about shuai jiao - Mongol Style (蒙古) (This is the lineage from Mongolian wrestling) from ?tell me? you are an ignorant who wants to keep Chinese pride when you lost the plot with this argument. please refer the origin of shuai Jiao. you have no evidence to back up first of all and all you do is "it has been debunked".Mind you, Chinese people are very racist ( ask any international travellers).Even emigrants from China to UK,USA,Australia or New zealand.
shobyms 5 months ago
@shobyms Oh no, you're the one who's being dumb in here since you believe in the whole idea of CMA coming from kalaripayattu and Mongol wrestling. Oh, you're also dumb to believe that about this whole Chinese pride crap. If you still believe on this nonsense, I pity you. I don't care on what you think of us martial artists that dismissed the whole thing since some CMA are older than kalaripayattu itself. I'm done dealing with dummies, such as you.
6arcsn1sky 5 months ago
@6arcsn1sky PROVE IT THEN. ANY PROOF CMA existed prior to Kalari.. find out the historical dating atleast.. still it doesnt approve your claim because you then need to prove CMA influenced Shaloin.. oh man.. you need to read or get education..all you do is "quacking" ..just out of your obstinacy..goodluck
shobyms 5 months ago
@shobyms All right, lets see. There's sword fighting, archery, and pole weapons, such as spears and glaives, and of course, shuai jiao since every culture all over the world would start out fighting by grappling. Happy?
6arcsn1sky 5 months ago
A CLEAR COMBAT MOMENT: Mesopotamians were the first to engage in warfare over 8,000 years ago. Mongolian wrestling is the first combat art dating 7,000 years ago. From here i would say it is a toss up between India and China. Greece is next, then possibly Korea with its Ssireum wrestling. Then we go to Rome where all combatives are explored, armed and unarmed. Japan, Cambodia, Burma, Thailand, Indonesia, Fillipines, England, Norway, Scottland, Brazil, America and Canada.
allinthemix10 10 months ago
cont- But people in power in India who are tyring to change history for thier own agenda are propogating myths that it was the Christian missionary who invented the "concept" of Dravidians and "pure tamil" that were corrupted by Hinduism/Aryanism and Sanskrit.Might is Right, not truth I suppose.Or those who can shout louder and farther than anybody are heard and the truth is no more valued.
bostafffighter 10 months ago
cont- and some scholars have proved so.Tamil is the only language that has contributed innumerable words to other languages and yet "Scholars" are saying that those words have come from other languages to the tamil.There has always been consious attempts by hindi and sanskrit folks since Sangam time to do this an note that this was originally noted by foreign christian tamil scholars who came here as christian missionary during colonial times that includes Reverend G.U. Pope
bostafffighter 10 months ago
-cont The term payityru nool is in current usage meaning book for learning or practice. Kalaripayitru is 100 percent tamil word, it is pretty obvious.It's like saying "batlle field learning time machine" is not a English word and some scholars are saying its from Arabic.
bostafffighter 10 months ago
China and India separately developed martial art and both have heavy influence of each other. Both countries have underlying martial philosphies yoga, pranayama,kundalini, and taoism, tai chi, chi, qi gong.No other country has these underlying philopshies and such depth. They just have combat martial techniques.
bostafffighter 10 months ago
Namaskaram! Tell me please how to find the Gurukkal Balachandran's school of Kalaripayattu in Trivandrum?
anjaneyashishin 1 year ago
A very complete style.
MrSupertwo 1 year ago
Phillip Zarrilli, a professor at the University of Exeter and one of the few Western authorities on kalari payat, estimates that the art dates back to at least the 12th century CE. The historian Elamkulam Kunjan Pillai attributes the birth of kalari payat to an extended period of warfare between the Cheras and the Cholas in the 11th century CE.
angryaznman 1 year ago
Kalari TRUTH:
In Sangam, Kalari was not used as a martial act according to dick Luijendijk, a researcher at the university of Nijmegen. "Kalari" is a centre of learning in Kerala. they taught language, math etc. later on, there were fight schools, thats what "payattu kalari" means.
angryaznman 1 year ago
@angryaznman Kalam is used to mean battle field in Sangam in numerous instances.The payitru is used is thiurukural and other sangam literature. whether "scholars" agree or not. payitryu means practice, in modern tamil it is tamil payirtchi but the root is payil and payitru is pure verbal noun meaning learning or practice. So it is generally battle field learning/practive or field leanring/practice. kalaripayitru is hundred percent pure tamil word and an ancient one that is. cont-
bostafffighter 10 months ago
7. So in conclusion, there was kung fu before shaolin. There was shaolin kung fu before bodhi. The creation of the animal styles is documented, no bodhi. The one source that credits bodhi is faulty and the author of that one preface was viewed as an “IGNORANT VILLAGE MASTER”
The End, dreams over.
angryaznman 1 year ago
6. Sinews Changing Classic: Scholars disregard this preface because it has many anachronistic mistakes and the fact that popular fictional characters from Chinese literature, including the "Bushy Bearded Hero" (虬髯客), are listed as lineage masters. In fact, Ling Tinkang (1757-1809), a SCHOLAR of the QING Dynasty, described the author (Li Jing) as an “IGNORANT VILLAGE MASTER”
angryaznman 1 year ago
5. The painting in Shaolin does NOT depict bodhi teaching shaolin monks. It actually only shows many shades of monks, all wearing Chinese clothes, practicing kung fu. Leave it to dreamers to think anyone who is a shade darker than light is Indian. Even if they were, no indication whatsoever about bodhi. PLUS the painting was done a THOUSAND years after bodhi’s time. It CANNOT be used as an indication of the past.
angryaznman 1 year ago
4. The ONE place that credits bodhi is discredited: ONLY the PREFACE of the 1800s VERSION of the Yijin Jing mentions Bodhi with kung fu at all. Historians (like Tang Hao, Xu Zhen and Matsuda Ryuchi) discredit this preface because it is FULL of INACCURACIES. Even getting the Emperor Reigns wrong.
angryaznman 1 year ago
3. Creation of 5 animal kung fu styles is documented, NO BODHI: Jueyuan was a master of the 18 Luohan Hands. the original 18 techniques of Shaolin. He expand to 72, but wanted to do more. He travel to Gansu Province to the city of Lanzhou and met Li Sou. He was a master of Hong Quan. they work with Bai YuFeng and expand the 72 techniques to around 170. Those 170 techniques were than divided into the 5 animal forms.
angryaznman 1 year ago
2. Shaolin kung fu predates bodhi: The 2 men who became the VERY FIRST Shaolin monks were ALREADY experts in kung fu. Shaolin kung fu came from them. ("History of Chinese Martial arts: Jin Dynasty to the Period of Disunity") Also, they found weapons in the monestaries of Chang'an. ("Martial arts Myths of Shaolin Monastery, Part I: The Giant with the Flaming Staff") Suggesting the monks already practied martial arts.
angryaznman 1 year ago
Pure Facts that destroy delusional dreamers:
1. Kung Fu predates shaolin: Spring and Autumn Annals of Wu and Yue, the Bibliographies in the Book of the Han Dynasty and the Records of the Grand Historian all document martial arts that predate Shaolin. A good example is Shuai Jiao, grappling martial art.
angryaznman 1 year ago
From my research Greece had Pankration about 4000 years ago. Then came China with Shuaii Jiao about 4600 years ago. Then came India and so on and so fort.
clearcombat 1 year ago
@clearcombat your research is flawed!
akavitsuma 10 months ago
TRUTH OF KALARI 2
Elamkulam Kunjan Pillai was a historian and scholar from Kerala, India, who through his works enriched the field of historical research of Kerala
Dick Luijendijk, a researcher at the university of Nijmegen
Phillip Zarrilli practitioner of Kalarippayattu and Marma Adi. One of the notable Western authorities on the subject of Indian martial arts. Zarrilli authored the first definitive study of Kalarippayattu, "When the Body Becomes All Eyes:"
angryaznman 1 year ago
TRUTH OF KALARI 1
kalari is a centre of learning in Kerala. they taught math etc. later, there were fight schools, thats what payattu kalari means.
kalari the word in Sangam was NOT used as a martial act according to Dick Luijendijk, a researcher at the university of Nijmegen.
Phillip Zarilli, one of the few western scholars on KP and Elamkulam Kunjan Pillai an Indian historian. both are recognized authorities on KP. they date the MARTIAL ART at 11 and 12 century, not the term/tradition.
angryaznman 1 year ago
part 3
so not only did the FIRST 2 shaolin monks already know kung fu, not only was there chinese MA BEFORE kalari.
but last but not least, the ONE source that give bodhi credit, is the PREFACE of the 1800s VERSION of the Yi Jin Jing (not in the YJJ itself). This preface is also full of errors. Martial Arts Historians Tang Hao, Xu Zhen and Matsuda Ryuchi have now discredited the preface and the bodidharma myth as well. END.
angryaznman 1 year ago
part 2.
18 luo han hands were by the 18 luo han monks. The 5 animal styles were from Li Sou, Hong Quan and Jueyuan. There is nothing left for bodhi to claim LMAO.
Yes, I heard of the painting. One problem, first, it only shows various shaded monks all wearing Chinese clothes practicing. Second, it doesn’t say anything about bodhidharma. Third, it was done during Ming, a MILLENIUM AFTER bodhi’s time. So way to go.
end part 2...
angryaznman 1 year ago
seems too many indians believe this funny joke. i will burst all your bubbles.
Kung Fu did NOT come from India. Boddhidharma only taught zen techniques like breathing first of all.
Also, the men who became the FIRST shaolin monks already knew kung fu.(Canzonieri, Salvatore;1998).
end part 1
angryaznman 1 year ago
You have missed the point. Whether or not Bodhidharma taught the monks fighting techniques is not important. The important thing is that he was a spiritual teacher, and it was the spiritual discipline and focus of the monks that elevated Shaolin Kung Fu above other fighting disciplines. If you ever come across a true spiritual master you will find you value them above all other teachers. In this way it can be said Bodhidharma was the founder of Shaoilin Kung Fu.
KDS3000 1 year ago
@KDS3000 like i said, you can only give credit where credits due.
spiritual stuff for MONKS only. all the forms, all the techniques were already created by others. you cant magically make him a founder of something that was already found.
angryaznman 1 year ago
@angryaznman
Shaolin Kung Fu is inextricably linked with Buddhism. I would argue that If you remove the Spiritual side then it would become something fundamentally different. As far as I am aware, Buddhism originated in India, not China.
For some reason you do not seem to give much importance to the spiritual aspect of the art. Maybe you were unaware but Shaolin was a MONASTERY.
KDS3000 1 year ago
@KDS3000
Canzonieri, Salvatore (FebruaryMarch 1998). "History of Chinese Martial arts: Jin Dynasty to the Period of Disunity". Han Wei Wushu 3 (9).
explains that the two men who became the FIRST shaolin monks, were already experts in kung fu. Senchou's skill with the Tin Staff is recorded in the Chinese Buddhist Canon.
angryaznman 1 year ago
@angryaznman
Once again you missed the point. I am not disputing the fact that Martial Arts existed in China before Bodhidharma’s arrival. What I am saying is that the Spiritual knowledge and practices that Bodhidharma brought from India are what elevated Shaolin Kung Fu above other Martial Arts. Without the Spiritual element Shaolin Kung Fu would just have been one style among many, and would not have spread around the world.
KDS3000 1 year ago
@KDS3000 we arent going to have the same convo on 2 vids, that would be stupid.
angryaznman 1 year ago
@angryaznman jin Dynasty is not so long ago, you should watch the video "5000 year old indian martial arts" about a russian professor who has decoded ancient 5000 yr. old sanskrit texts,which the nazi's also tried to decode because they were looking for a secret weapon but they did not succeed. This professor did, and desrcibes this a collection of al the knowledge there is in martial arts with al death striking and breaking as well as nervepoints and is now teaching it to the spetsnaz! reallly
teambeastofeast77 1 year ago
@angryaznman The Chinese had a wrestling art called Shuai Jaio, not sure I spelled it right. They claim that this art is 4600 years old. In Egypt they had tumbling wrestling, stick fighting and wrapped hand fighting. It dates back to 6000 years. Before them was the Sumerians of Mesopotania, 10000 BC. This was old Iraq, armies developed here with all types of combat. Most was with arrows and swords, but some was hand to hand.
clearcombat 1 year ago
holy shit, i would not mess with anyone with swordplay like that. damn
ogskeetdizzle 1 year ago
its amazing...people dont even know basic fighting and they want to learn win chung,aikido etc...man learn something basic and be good at it..thats all u need in everyday life...ever be in a street fight? you dont know when and how you get hit or how many punches coming your way at once. you just learn to block or duck and hit back with bad ass intent... basics and be good at it....
fijianz1 1 year ago
It is my experience that these demonstrations fool people who don't know anything about knife fighting. having an uke who does predetermined moves is much different than facing someone who is trying to cut you. As my sensei always said. "If you get in a knife fight with someone who knows nothing you are going to get cut, if you knife fight with someone who knows something...you are going to get cut badly. Knife fights are brutal, ask anyone who has been in a real one.
clintonjonnwebb 1 year ago
naaa i still believe in wing-chun..
nanoboti 2 years ago
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Suprise is a martial artists only hope against a gun. Guns and firearm technologys are the ultimate martial arts of killing, Hand to hand combat is obsolete compared to these.
Remember that the introduction of fire arms in Japan ended the centuries old Samurai culture. The only thing we as martial artist can do when it comes to guns is to learn how to use them and in learning disarming techniques never try them in real life unless you're close enough and are ready to die if you make a mistake.
MfalmeBwana 2 years ago
the samurai katana(sword) of Japan can actually cut right through bullets. Martial arts is for the brave.
cidrose 2 years ago
Well killing is fine in war and thogh I carry a gun irl Id rather use my fists simply because unless they use leathal force. I dont need to use it either? Whats wrong? You afraid of getting an ass kicking? At least then both of ya live. Wounds heal.
RenmarStriff 2 years ago
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According to the famed Karate Grandmaster Masutatsu Oyama in his book "Advanced Karate" on pg.13 "The oldest known records concerning combat techniques, hierogylphic scrolls, dating as far back as 4000 B.C." He also stated that Bhodhidharma traveled to China and combined his combat and yogic breathing exercises with indigenous Chinese martial arts at a temple called Shaolin.
MfalmeBwana 2 years ago
I think if Indians plan to study in western countries, they should take a page out of the books of Kalari, then maybe they wont be mugged by drug additcs and criminals who see Indians as soft targets.
-Muski
muski27 2 years ago
Pretty cool weapons and integration of Filosophy and religion with marcial Arts...
moigranespiritu 2 years ago
This is actually insane! Imagine being in a melee fight with any one of these guys. That speed combined with effective weapons is incredible.
Victorinox99 3 years ago
Zafina's Fighting Style =D
kmde666 3 years ago
that was my repy to sonofthedestroyer's statement
sushanalone 3 years ago
dude, this is cool, how do i learn this?
serpentphoenix 3 years ago
u can learn this...first come 2 kerala,in india...u can achv it...
vinurom 3 years ago
only place you can learn this is in India.
XtraSd 3 years ago
This is one of the best documentaries I have ever seen. Yes Bodhi Dharma did teach Kalaripayat to the Shaolin monks which became Chuan Fa aka Kung Fu -- its totally true and accurately researched. Thanks so much for posting.
thestudiio 3 years ago
i dont know if i beleive that kalari was the first form of martial art, but i would shure like to seethe indian martial arts peaople and the shoulin munks train together for a few years and see what comes of it.
mudvayne332 3 years ago
Seeing as how the Shaolin arts were based on kalaripayattu my guess is what developped wouldn't be incredibly different from either art.
Jimalcoatl 3 years ago
true sometimes am just amazed at how similar both these arts are yet both also have a lot to offer individually... the core principles are probably same
sidhyarth 3 years ago
i did mma before and I'd say those guys are fast and in very good condition. Impressive stuff. I wouldn't want one of them attacking me with a knife or sword. Just because someone can't beat up Chuck Liddel doesn't mean it is a useless art against the average attacker. How many top UFC guys are going to be street muggers ? Stop the hating and have some respect!
beginnersgambling 3 years ago 11
wow he is a nice sexy hairy bear.
casalumina 3 years ago
whats with all these haters in here??
serpentphoenix 3 years ago
man has his instincts to fight..
serpentphoenix 3 years ago
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I tink dis gi's a fraud...
reedb13 3 years ago
kalaripayattu is the mother of all martial arts!hurray fer kalari! jai hind!
anirudhkrishnamani 3 years ago
lol! No my friend. Jay Sri Krsna!
danrivera3 3 years ago
Kalarippayat is the mother of keralan martial arts not all martial arts
templeofwarriors 3 years ago
agree
DIEGOKEN242 3 years ago
Are you sure?
6arcsn1sky 2 years ago
Tis must be what Altaiir from assassin's creed must've done, I want to learn it, but there are no schools for it near me and, I to finish karate first and get my black belt. But this looks amazing!! :D
RapsLivinLife 3 years ago
this is the mother of kung fu!
darrellriv 4 years ago
@darrellriv No, it isn't.
6arcsn1sky 1 year ago
@6arcsn1sky its widely considered as the moter of alll martial arts imean asian..
karthikthomask 1 year ago
@karthikthomask Well, it isn't to Chinese martial art historians since other styles existed a lot longer than kalairpayattu.
6arcsn1sky 1 year ago
ummmmmmh... I don`y know...
It`s very very interesting, but... looks like a dance.
That Guru master it`s an interesting person, but I don`t think he could use that moves in a street fight. Pherhaps they should go to a tournament and prove they style against others...
DIEGOKEN242 4 years ago
lol not proven in street fights???? says who??? This is the closest thing to a complete science of Martial Art and the oldest 6000+ years.
RanaRaethana 4 years ago
I say so. Maybe I`m wrong. But Thsi Gurumaster could do anything against a fighter like Masatatsu Oyama?
I know this is not a video game. But have Kalaripayat tested in a fight with other styles? Did Kalary fighters compete with Shaolin anytime? It would be absolutly awsome. Don`t get me wrong, bro. I`m just a martial arts lover. I dream with Parasuram and his unleashed skills..
DIEGOKEN242 4 years ago
I can guarantee you that the guru in this video would hold his own against Masutatsu Oyama and Vajramushti is much younger than Kalari.
RanaRaethana 4 years ago
I must say that I`ve never seen a real Kalaripayat fight. All videos I`ve seen are about training and coreographies.
Does they fight for real sometime? please don`t tell me "somebody could die in a real fight because techniques are so dangerous..." cause you can say that in every styles. Other martial arts have real combats, obviously with some rules. But they can show very good techniques anyway. Can you imagine a Kalaripayat in an open tournament?
DIEGOKEN242 4 years ago
As for street fights any martial art that develops the power of Chi is good enough. But masters at that level do not get themselves into street fights. Developing Chi also develops spiritual power so there is no need to prove ones power. It is usually half baked idiots with ego problems who go looking for street fights. I am sure some of those elderly Tai chi masters in Wudang could easily kill if they had the desire to do so.
sonofthedestroyer 4 years ago
A great master or a student don`t need to search a street fight. You don`t ask "hey, attack me, I wanna have some troubles". You can learn a ver mystic and internal martial art, or you can learn boxing or maybe you just are a natural born fighter. In every cases you could be in a problem if a criminal wants your wallet and kill you.
DIEGOKEN242 4 years ago 2
You don`t need a stupid ego to prove your skills in a tournament. You can go and compete as a sport with more or less combat. Not every people who goes to a competition are stupid...
DIEGOKEN242 4 years ago 2
I said 'streetfight' not 'tournament'. There is a big difference.
sonofthedestroyer 4 years ago
Sure, there is an enormeous difference.
My point is about to test the skills of Kalaripayat practicioners.
They don`t need to kill anybody to show it.
Every styles go to tournaments sometime.
Kalaripayat looks great but I have seen only coreographies. And, as I said, you don`t need to search for a street fight. Troubles come suddenly. A master or whoever needs to defend himself sometime. Of course, a real master doesn`t start a street fight, but he can go to a tournament...
DIEGOKEN242 4 years ago
Troubles do not come suddenly. Your mind creates your reality. Humans are 100% responsible for what happens in their life. People get attacked because they expect it in their subconcious mind. The Buddha was faced by one the most ferocious killers in history (Angulimala) and his powerful energy was enough to bring the bandit to his knees.
sonofthedestroyer 4 years ago
Explain about Buddha, inlightment, mind, and RESPONSABILITY to a woman who is raped when SUDDENLY a violator attack her. Explain about all that think when, SUDDENLY a criminal ambush you. Cause SUDDENLY that things happen. You and me are not inlightment Buddhas. When a little girlo or boy are attacked by a criminal, it`s not their responsability. Martial arts could help us to defend our selves, not garantee, but could help...
DIEGOKEN242 4 years ago 2
But we create our future through thoughts. That is fact whether you like it or not. I used Buddha as an example but there are ordinary people who can attest to this
sonofthedestroyer 4 years ago
So, a lil child who died after been raped is responsable by his toughts?...
There is a lot of theory, but this is the world, with terrible and great things. Martial arts can help people sometimes if they are in a dangerous situation. Not %100 efective but can save your life. Has you can see aplications of differents styles in a tournament or even in the streets I`d like to see Kalaripayat in action...
DIEGOKEN242 4 years ago
eveybody is not so patient to be like buddha my friend..
anirudhkrishnamani 3 years ago
but not everybody is buddha my friend to deliver such a powerful force of love against a serial killer like angulimala.that is why we indians(boddhidharma) tought the buddhist monks of china shaolin kung fu to protect themselves from bandits and pirates.
anirudhkrishnamani 3 years ago
My point is that the traditional arts do not have practitioners who understand the true philosophy and mindset. The understanding of prana and universal mind is vital to being an invincible fighter. That is why these days traditional arts are dismissed because they dont have the real practitioners anymore.
This is why most MA will get killed on the street if they are attacked by criminals with guns and knives.
sonofthedestroyer 3 years ago
A Kalaripayattu practicioner could survive or fight against a gun?
DIEGOKEN242 3 years ago
What idiot question, dou you think in the posibility that A Kalaripayattu practicioner can fire a gun too.?
NOMERCY777 2 years ago
First, read and then, coment. this is what sonofthedestroyer said....
"My point is that the traditional arts do not have practitioners who understand the true philosophy and mindset. The understanding of prana and universal mind is vital to being an invincible fighter. That is why these days traditional arts are dismissed because they dont have the real practitioners anymore.
This is why most MA will get killed on the street if they are attacked by criminals with guns and knives. "
DIEGOKEN242 2 years ago
i dun think so lol
jattankashoraaa 2 years ago
OK, we are not Buddha.
I hope we could! but we live in this world with bad an good things.
My point is: none martial art can save you %100 in a dangerous situation. They can help you!! that`s all.
I love self defense. And i`d like to see Kalaripayattu in a tournament competing with other styles.
DIEGOKEN242 3 years ago
but atleast it gives you the 99% possibility to survive an attack.
but if we try buddha we'll certainly die.
anirudhkrishnamani 3 years ago
"if we try Buddha"?
I don`t understand.
Try to attack Buddha? bad idea...
I wouldn`t. I love Him.
Peace.
DIEGOKEN242 3 years ago
u fool i meant if we try to be buddha,
which is impossible.
i'm a gr8 fan of gautama buddha!
anirudhkrishnamani 3 years ago
No offenses please.
Thanks for explain.
DIEGOKEN242 3 years ago
99% Is too high, and you know that.
Nobody knows how effective a martial art can be. Because every situation is different.
You cannot be sure about how hogh are your chances to survive in a vicious and danger attack,
DIEGOKEN242 3 years ago
i'm done arguing with you
get a life!
anirudhkrishnamani 3 years ago
Hold it hold it!!
Let`s talk!!
As I told you, my english it`s very bad.
Don`t talk to me like that!!
Actually, you have talking to me since a several days, and now you tell me "get a life"?
Dude, let`s talk without ofend
DIEGOKEN242 3 years ago
no offence.. but i'm done!
anirudhkrishnamani 3 years ago
I wonder why, I mean, about which one of my posts, but it`s your choice, dude.
Bye
DIEGOKEN242 3 years ago
some things are best left in books and minds
sushanalone 3 years ago
im sorry that is the most stupidest thing i have ever heard lol... now dont go abt getting bitter over me and start swearing. i was just being honest.
shay2707 2 years ago
why dont you explain what you felt was stupid about the video instead of branding it with you limited vocabulary . it would be no surprise then you would receive bittterness or swear words
harrish29 2 years ago
hey you, I wasn't talking about the video I was responding to someone's remarks about the video. Please don't go around randomly replying to everyone's hate comments. Thanks.
shay2707 2 years ago
@DIEGOKEN242 its more like street fight than kung fu or karate . kalari uses grappling or throwing movements like kravmaga, if the fight ended in ground A guru like him easily manage to fight like bjj if i compare but kalarippayattu is smooth and flowy as kung fu(Im from kerala and have personal experiances with it but i train karate, also a good art but i wanna learn this)
sreekanth5252 1 year ago 2
I`d love to see a real Kalaripayat fight.
Every styles of martial arts have combats. With some rules of course. But anyway you can see great techniques.
I`d like to see Kalaripayat in an open tournament.
Every style has techniques that could kill someone, but they can also put some rules and organize tournaments. If Kalaripayat is the best they could show some techniques in a tournament. I like too much this style. It`s very intresting and I respect this master.
DIEGOKEN242 4 years ago
Kalaripayattu is a killing art. It was used by warriors to kill their enemy. Bodhidharma who was a Kalari master modified it when he went to China so it was in accordance with Buddhist non violent values.
sonofthedestroyer 4 years ago
Karate, Hapkido, Judo, Jiu Jitsu, Tae Kwon Do, Kung Fu, Shorinji Kempo...
There`s a loooooooooong list with martial art styles with a non violence principles.
What`s the problem in going to a tournament?
You know? in a lot of martialarts you`ll find technques to rip troat, kick testicles, rip eyes and kill in different ways...
In tournaments people doesn`t go to kill or die, it`s just a competition ... in India exist martial arts tournaments too.
DIEGOKEN242 3 years ago
i knw that.
i meant that even killing martial arts are useful.
anirudhkrishnamani 3 years ago
Karate, Hapkido, King Fu and so manyother martial artsstyles are killing art also. With non violence principles also.
And they go to tournaments also. And they don`t kill anybody...
In India are martial arts tournaments also.
DIEGOKEN242 3 years ago
no not kiiling is aatma raksha.. or self defense.
sometimes killing of some pests is necessary for our well being.;)
anirudhkrishnamani 3 years ago