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  • so many intelligent americans here it's confusing^^

  • @Kamelkatze LOL. Check out kazukiseirei's channel for some intelligent Americans. We do exist.

  • Obama is just an extension of Bush, same policies and same type of crimes. How about impeaching Obama?

  • JESSE VENTURA 2012

  • Impeach and hang, and hang the men in black next to them

  • @ChristianMuslum Those words will come back to you. Is called Karma. You know that.

  • i always thought a class war was more likely than a race war...most blacks are completely aware that poor whites are treated like shit too...

  • How would you know this?

  • how could they not know?...every time i went to jail there were plenty of white people there...

  • Oh, I'm sorry, totally my bad, I for some reason thought you said "unaware". Sorry again, I totally agree that most are aware.

  • What's the deal? No disabling autoplay and making a comment?

  • someone smart please help me

    i cant watch this video G1

  • Who was that heckler?

  • John McCain

  • I hope the ideas that Ralph's been talking about like: congressional watchdog groups public demands for time slot ownership on our TV and radio airwaves, then selling prime time slots to finance true public programming (like debates).

     Instant Runoff Voting

    become the focus of ALL progressives, regardless of the many factions they may align themselves with (it will benefit them all).

    Imagine the effect.

  • I don't. Tinkering at reforming what is gets you what is. Then who's to blame? You. Do things that are revolt!

  • I come from a dictatorship: we have one candidate.

    Here, in land of democracy we have two.

    So whats the big fuss all about?!!!

    Its a shame they do not allow Ralphand Matt participate in the debates.

    They are the candidates with a record of getting thing done for the people and have clear definition of change and hope, (not fluff) and are not planning to Obliterate Iran from the map.

    So I want to use the media of the people by the people and do this the old fashioned way by volunteering

  • What happened to Nader? It seems as though the liberal corporate media has conspired to keep him off TV. I heard Nader complaining about PBS's Bill Moyers and Terri Gross blacklisting him. LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING: THE BIGGEST DESTROYERS OF FREE SPEECH IN AMERICA ARE LIBERALS. I read that there is a move afoot in Missouri that Obama people want the police to arrest people who disagree with Obama. What will things be like if he gets in the White House?

  • Interestingly, Google was prepared to host its own debate including all ballot-qualified candidates, but Obama refused.

  • you think the ones who did this were liberals?

    they're smart, rich and have good lawyers. but they're not liberals

    - a liberal '08

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  • TYRANT - any person in a position of authority who exercises power oppressively or despotically.

    With his sending thousands of soldiers to death, excessive war efforts and choices, and his flagrant overriding the choice of the majority...I truly believe that Bush will first go down in history as the worst US president, and in time, as a tyrant.

    Unlike most historical tyrants, though, he was not acting alone.

  • Bush is awfull but not the worst. Woodrow Wilson, his sec of navy, lyndon johnson, nixon and reagan we are worst. As awfull as that is to say.

  • each president is trained to be bad enough to make you accept the rule next president until we reach the NEW WORLD ORDER

    Obama is going to destroy the middle class, encourage a race war, bring socialism, expand the war of terror, that will have people choose a new president that will further bushes fascist agenda

    Bush senior: fascism

    Clinton: socialism

    Bush Jr. Fascism

    Obama: Socialism

    Future President: Fascism

    Future Future: Anti Christ???

  • you want a race war,but sorry not gonna happen.

  • wow down voted i feel so bad....NOT!

    i never suggested a race war, your introducing that idea to try and discreet my argument

    Bush was told to carry out an agenda and when he wanted to invade IRAN which those in power did not want; he was shut down

    its clear that the future presidents will be instructed to restrict and shrink the middle class which has always brought about a class war

    just watch "The men behind Barack Obama"

  • Can you imagine an american president afflicted with altruism? a president that doesn't need a translator since he speaks 7 languages? can you imagine democracy? it's time we went from the dumbest president we've ever had to one whose IQ is somewhere around 170! it's time we elect ralph nader for president!

  • democrats, you say i'm splitting the vote with you? think again, i don't vote for either of the two major parties! abandon that sinking ship and join nadergonzalez o8!!! that goes for you too republicans! we're all people, who needs political parties!

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  • @luijoc Nader speaks seven languages? Cool...

  • Why?

  • Watch Dr. Phil Friday Sept 26th. Ralph Nader is on.

  • COMMENTS BLOCKED on Obama youtube vids!!

    see: "Barack Obama: Yes We Can" vid

    and try and post an opposing comment...

    NADER/Gonzalez = WE the PEOPLE

    Democrats and Republicans = THEY the CORPORATIONS

    OPEN the DEBATES / Let NADER Debate!!

  • Notice that the Ralph Nader video: Isral/jewish lobby robbery of America HAS BEEN REMOVED. Imagine that.

  • vote NADER

    and it's very important to, Spread-The-Word.

    WE MUST BECOME THE MEDIA!! (utilizing the Internet)

    "Any dictator would admire the uniformity

    and obedience of the U.S. media"

    -Noam Chomsky

  • Everyone should see this.

  • Here's an example of how the elites who control the democrats and republicans blackout anyone telling the truth. I'm from atlanta,ga home to Cynthia Mckinney and Bob Barr. BOth are from atlanta and are running for President. Yet my home newspaper mentions nothing of them! lol! Of course those who control the media also run both parties. Its all desigened to persuade the masses that no one is viable except obama/mccaain. Propaganda such as "spoiler" is used for truthtellers like nader.

  • Aug 26, 2008- 90 Afghan civilians massacred by US airstrike.

    youtube search- Afghanistan: The Good War

  • For these words to come out of the mouths of these sort of men who are not just some random conspiracy theorist is deeply unsettling and says a lot about where our nation is headed.

  • When we got into office,the thing that surprised methe most was that things were as bad as we'd been saying they were.

    ( John F. Kennedy )

    Now Ralph Nader is saying Congress has painted itself into a corner.

    Impeach Bush, and he will declare Martial Law first.

    Don't Impeach Bush, and Martial Law provision will be kept by him on the burner.

    So Bush is already Emperor Bush.

    Who can touch him even if he is Star War Emperor in disguise?

    It is funny if it is not also tragic. :)

  • Woody Allen said "comedy is well timed tragedy".

    We sometimes need to laugh at the absurdity of what we, as a civilization, have wrought upon our selves.

    The important thing to realize is that the entire world it at a crossroad. We're all going in different directions. But there are some who are saying that we should all be going in one direction. They don't care if the majority wants to go their own separate ways. Humans everywhere are losing the ability to have,or express our own opinions.

  • America Needs Open Debates! Please contact MySpace officials to continue to apply the pressure to OPEN UP THE DEBATES!

    Email: Liba Rubenstein, Manager decision08, Myspace Public Affairs lrubenstein(a) myspace dott com

    Call and/or Email:

    Dani Dudeck, VP Corporate Communications, MySpace Ddudeck(a) myspace dott com 3-1-0- 9-6-9-7-1-4-8

    Ann Burkart, VP Corporate Communications, Fox Interactive Media Ann.Burkart(a) fox dottt com 3-1-0- 9-6-9-7-2-2

  • Favorite this. Text comment this. Rate ALL comments as thumbs up. We can make this viral if WE do it.

  • There's only one logical reason on earth to support Ralph Nader: if you want to see McCain get elected. Nader supporters have in fact been suspected of being Republican operatives. It's actually a good strategy for them.

  • did you listen to a single word of this video, dumbass?

  • so, you think there is a difference between the democrats and the republicans? no healthcare, forever war, redundant military spending, no labor union support, no end to warrantless domestic espionage, no livable wages and on and on and on. well, friend, if Nader doesn't win, you can be sure Mr. Six or Mr. Half-Dozen will. so rest easy. hooray fascism!

  • There was Ron Paul and Kucinich, but Americans just don't get it.

    Are they fat, lazy, stupid, etc...? Whatever you blame it on, Americans have let their country go to crap.

  • Right. I forgot that NADER's the one who got Bush and Cheney elected in 2000 with his "22,000 votes" from NH. Did you forget that over 3 million people voted for Bush? They're just a TAD more integral in getting him elected than the ones who DIDN'T vote for him. Using your logic, if more people had voted for NADER, then we wouldn't have this issue. Why not blame all those Gore/Kerry voters for spoiling Nader's chances?

  • Huh? Please, take another stab at this. But next time, try to make one or two of your sentences (?) have at least a smattering of logical relationship to each other.

    Also, try to do some really simple math (I know you can do it!). Add 22,000 votes for Nader (by people who imagine themselves to be intelligent social progressives) to the Democratic column for New Hampshire in 2000, and see what happens to the national electoral vote. What happens? C'mon, don't be shy.

  • I would not vote at all if Nader were not running.

  • thats not right, if you really hate everyone you should at least write him in

  • WOW! Nader has been instituting change since the 70's. It's ignorant to suggest a struggle for the right candidate is wrong if he doesn't win the 1st x. The next time you're issued a voucher for a missed/cancelled flight, your neighbor gets help with her addiction while pregant, your kid doesn't choke on an unsafe toy, your drinking water is cleaner, your parents got help with a denied pension, you get a Pell Grant, your cigatette doesn't burn your house down you can thank Ralph Nader. JACKASS!

  • Nader Paul Kucinich Gravel

    McKinney Ventura

    Perot charts...

    RATM

    Honesty compassion intelligence guts

    - or more lies?

  • Supporters of Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich, and Mike Gravel:

    It is imperative that you vote for Ralph Nader in the upcoming general elections this November. Nader is the one running candidate remaining that promises to bring US Military Personnel home from Iraq and to put a stop to the escalating military threats against Iran and Russia.

  • I'm writing in Ron Paul, unless my state is going to go to McCain.

    I voted for Nader before, but we can't let McCain win.

    Obama is a smidge better and that's the problem with the 2 party system, isn't it?

  • Obama is not a "smidge better" than mccain. HEs the same. He is not going to expose the federal reserve's control over our country. He's for the war in iraq, 700 military bases, deficit spending, the unconstitutional income tax, NAFTA(which cant be abolished), He's for the FISA bill, the patrtiot act,etc. They offer different party names not political philosophies. In short hes for the warfare state and the welfare state, national security state.They offer difference in party names not ideas

  • The expenditures of the war in Iraq have amounted to over $545 billion worth of American Taxpayers' incomes since the U.S. invasion of Iraq in March of 2003 and it is expected to cost the U.S. government over $3 trillion in the near future. There are a growing number of websites all across the internet that validate the actual pretexts for the invasion of Iraq as an instrument for large corporations to take possession of the major oil reserves in Iraq and other Middle Eastern regimes.

  • To find out more about the uncovering of the war in Iraq, go to:

    infoshout com and votenader org

    Remember that it is not too late for us to put a stop to this madness once and for all!!

  • I agree. I do not think the founding fathers had it right. Their system does not work in today's world.

  • Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

    NO NWO!

  • I would love to hear what Nader things of Ron Paul, In all honesty I think Nader does not realize the hold cultural and fiscal conservatives have over this country.

  • BTW, this is EXACTLY what they told Nancy Polosi. She is hinting that she can't impeach because "it would tear the country apart."

  • single payer healthcare is not good. If anything, we should be on a state by state system. Single payer for all Americans is just too much bureaucracy to be any good.

  • Nonsense! Anything less than single-payer healthcare is insufficient!

  • grow up!

  • Sexual torture of children is not good. The health care crap is a distraction to the actual crimes that are documented.

  • What we have now is a senseless bureaucracy. To many people go without care, the ones who do have care are shafted by the industry either with payment refusals or just silly technicalities. Health care handled by the private companies breeds corruption it's a horrible system. A health care system needs to accommodate for the needs of the people, being treated based on your health rather then your wallet.

  • Most Americans treat politics like a spectator sport, rather than as our solemn duty -- the "price" by which we "pay for" our freedom.

    As a result, what we mostly care about is making sure that "our team" wins. And, as a result of *that*, we are willing to forgive "our team" any wrong.

    We've given up our conscience. More importantly, we've given up that fierce love of liberty that makes us America.

    Ralph was right. Things are a lot worse than we thought: Americans have failed to be free.

  • Things are a LOT worse than we thought, but it seems like no one even realizes it.

  • I had the same revaltion. A big attack would allow the Wigs to cancel the 2008 election, create martial law and then we're F*CKED! U.S. Concentration Camps DO EXIST!

  • I sure do hope he makes this an issue at a major Presidential Debate.

  • He won't make it into the Presidential Debates without a massive public outcry. The CPD is controlled by former Democratic and Republican party members and funded by the corporations that run Washington and fear people like Ralph that threaten the status quo. The present electoral system is rigged and biased. In order to get Ralph in the debates we need to take action and convince others to do the same. It is not a lost cause. see opendebates . org

    Also, see this video: watch?v=MyvVQYf6XWk

  • Get Nader and Gonzalez on Larry King Live! Send your viewers choice request to larrykingguests@cnn . com

    We need to reach a wider audience to spread the word of Nader/Gonzalez!

    Nader/Gonzalez can't gain considerable ground on Obama or McCain without sufficient media coverage!

    It only takes a few seconds of your time to request Nader/Gonzalez to be on Larry King Live! What have you got to lose?

  • they [democrats] are not, a proper opposition party..... enough said.

  • gravel kucinich paul nader

    perot charts

    truth

    fisa...

  • Right on!

    VOTE AGAINST THE CFR MACHINE!

  • Fck those other two pieces of shit, Obama and McCain. They are both sell outs and the fact that dems and GOP think they are diff nd to wake up. They stand for the same thing-they support big business and screw the majority of Americans. I voted for N and felt proud. 2004 I voted for Kerry and I felt sick afterward. Blah! What a dork. Wake up people. That's what we need to do-ÚSA is messed up and dems and gop are making it worse

  • I voted for him the first time he ran. That was 3 elections ago. The man is not going to win and just wastes a ton of money trying. His chances shrink every time he runs. Great ideas - bad marketing.

  • the reason nader has lost is b/c majority of americans cant see past reps or dems. most ppl vote out of fear of one party or the other. alot of ppl have said the same thing he cant win and wastes money. if all those ppl rid their minds of those thoughts he could. ppl need to wake up.

  • Where's the "race card"?

  • where's the racism?

  • you're an idiot

  • lol. you're a jackass. it wasn't even his information he was offering. he was reading a letter you dumbshit.

  • Obama is just as phony as the rest of the politicians in washington, he is just better at it. This is why i am voting for nader.

  • I would vote for Nader/Gonzalez if he would come out for a 30 hour work week for all Federal employees. This is the key step to moving the whole nation towards full employment. NO, I am not a federal employee.

  • I demand Impeachment !!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Oh, there will be IMPEACHMENT. The lawyers are really ANGRY. Things are CHANGING .. LOL

    Keep reading Raw Story and C&L's.

    RUN RALPH RUN !!

    Go RALPH !

  • We NEED to IMPEACH Bush IMMEDIATELY before he can attack IRAN and start World War III.

    Just be sure the IMPEACH Cheney FIRST!!!!!!

  • Impeach Bush NOW but there is danger! 'Torture, war of aggression, illegal surveillance (a felony-a fiver year term)), arrest without charges ("detainees") are reasons to impeach. If Bush were impeached, however, the autocratic ruler, would attack Iran from the air, declare a national emergency, institute martial law and call off the 2008 election were the democrats to initiate impeachment,' Mr. Ralph Nader. We need a new opposition party! Stop fascism today before the world becomes doomed!

  • This is pretty frightening

  • IMPORTANT NOTICE:

    SPREAD THE WORD:

    ***** If McCain and Obama don't agree to let Ron Paul and Ralph Nader into the summer debates being planned, we NEED to PROTEST and RAISE A MAJOR RUCKUS!!!!

    We NEED to send the political establishment a LOUD AND CLEAR message that if they try to block out our voice, WE WILL REVOLT.

    If they try to block our voice out we NEED to LET THEM KNOW that we WILL, to quote Dylan: "shake your windows and rattle your walls."

  • from gravel kucinich paul nader:

    NO clintons as VP...

  • McCain voted to give immunity to telecom companies for spying on American citizens. Obama voted against immunity. Clinton didn't bother to vote.

  • Senator Joe Lieberman has penned a letter to Google, asking them to ban content on YouTube that is produced by organizations considered to be terrorist, such as Al Qaeda. Lieberman asserts that Islamic terrorist groups are using YouTube to "'disseminate their propaganda, enlist followers and provide weapons training.'

  • FUCK THAT, the internet is the only free source of info we have

  • Fuck Lieberman!!! I ain't seen one video yet on here that resembles anything such! WHat he wants is to stop the exchange of free thoughts and ideas, especially in an election year. Censorship is always a slippery slope. He wants You Tube to be like corporate media, censoring people like Ralph.

    Fuck that and fuck him!!!

  • My apologies, Mr. Lieberman. Even though I do not agree with what you were trying to do, I should have more respect for you as a public figure. You know, attacks on our leaders should never get too personal, even with George W.

    But hey, give George some props! He introduced "flip-flopper" into the modern political lexicon. C'mon, you didn't hear that shit until Bush-Kerry! "He's flip-floppin'"

    We owe him that one.

    I still think George W. would be a great party guest.

    Nader/Gonzalez '08

  • I was just an angry man at the time.(But that was still wrong with what you were pullin', amigo.)

  • I whole heartedly support the idea of a breaking of the two party system that has controlled America for far too long. However, when a man like Ralph Nader, who has a tiny following, but just large enough to sway an election in George Bush's favor, is considering to run, (dare I say it?) he should follow practicality rather than principal.

    It needs done. But YOU are not the man Ralph. After countless presidential campaigns and support dwindling, one would think you'd realize it by now.

  • its not naders fault bush won, watch the videos on election fraud, or read about the Ohio fraud with electronic voting machines. me and nader both know that it wasnt his fault. if the numbers on ur tv represented the true votes, then gore would have won, and nader would have done better, i promise you, just RESEARCH THE ELECTION FRAUD, i mean voting machines with no paper trail, and only one final number thats easily changed by any programmer? its been proven, they did tests on these machines!

  • Don't forget about the outdated and unneeded piece of the US election system: The Electoral College. Between that and election fraud, it's a wonder that any votes count at all.

  • The people who vote for bush are the ones getting him elected.

  • A vote for Ralph Nader is a vote for Impeachment. Thank you, Ralph Nader.

  • this is scary stuff

  • In 2000, a vote for Ralph Nader was a vote for Bush. In 2004, a vote for Raplh Nader was a vote for Bush. In 2008, a vote for Ralph Nader will be a vote for Bush... Yeah, that's right, because a vote for McCain will be a vote for Bush. Nader attacks and attacks the President in this video, but if it were not for him, we would not have President Bush. Shame on you, Mr. Nader! Shame on you!

  • LIE-berman/Al-Gore VS Bush/Cheney

    SAME SHIT...

    LIE-berman:

    Author of the Iraq Resolution.

    Author of the Iran Resolution.

    RALPH NADER '08 !!!

  • I want to take a big broom into the U.S. Capitol and SWEEP OUT all the corrupt politicians.

  • Hes talking about the dems being an incapable opposition party. People voted the dems back into Congress to counter Bush, & they haven't.

    The Democrats should be able to eviserate Bush, but they can't, & when they're in Congress they don't. REASON is on their side.

    If they can't muster the courage of their conviction to let reason and Constitutional law "hang" Bush & his policy-clone McCain, then what makes them more fit than Nader to hold the Executive office.

    Put Nader in the debates.

  • You're right. We elected the Democrats in 2006 to impeach Bush and throw his ass in prison and they have failed at this miserably. They betrayed us. I am not a fan of either party, but I especially hate the Republicans. They're all evil (except Ron Paul, a genuinelly good man). As far as I'm concerned, most of the Democratic Party has greater trouble finding a spine than the Republicans have at finding weapons of mass destruction.

  • I, however, believe in Barack Obama. He is the real thing and he has the strength, the intellect, and most importantly, the 'spine' to battle our Corporate oppressors and clean up as much of Bush's mess as any person can in 4-8 years. Ralph Nader is NOT the real deal. He accepts funding from the Republican GOP because they know that he has no chance 'whatsoever' of winning. Ralph Nader knows he has no chance. No one who accepts funding from the Republican GOP is fit to run this nation.

  • I hate the neo-cons as well, and voted for Barack in the primaries, but I'm not entirely sold on him. I tend to believe that he's just a great speaker, who is holding his cards close in this long primary to protect himself from McCain. He's super intelligent and different. I think he may over estimate himself at times, and the voters may be doing so as well in their desperation. It is cliche, and gop noise, but there is truth to the fact that he has not really been tested.

  • Like Nader said, I think Obama knows what time it is in regards to corporate power and such, but I'm just not sure he has the cunning and fortitude to weather the fight, and guide foreign policy. I think the reality we'll get will probably fall short of the dream we're being sold - b/c if he does take on corporate power, the WTO/World Bank, etc they will try to strangle the economy and destroy all his efforts. Those are just my concerns.

  • All politics and strategy aside, when I compare them side by side..

    Barack might be great, and the uncertainty about him gives him a lot of room to surprise himself and others.

    You can't deny that Ralph Nader is an amazing person though. He has done more for Americans than probably any other living person..

    The man can speak Nader can speak Arabic, Chinese, Portuguese, Russian, and Spanish - just saying he's impressive.

    Either way, his presence in the debates would be a blessing.

  • He is impressive. I think that he's right about almost every issue and he would probably make a good President if elected. He was definitely the best candidate in 2004, because I am no fan of John Kerry. He probably would have done better than Gore, as well, because I don't always like him, either. But I can never forgive Ralph Nader because he gave us Bush in both elections and he knows that he gave us Bush. I believe him to be an odd individual, to put it kindly, who strokes his own ego.

  • But as you also implied, this isn't 2000 or 2004. This is 2008 and I believe Barack Obama to be the real deal. I can give no proof for this, of course, but I can be a very good judge of character. I look at Obama and I can see the honestly and integrity behind his speeches. I don't like him because of his ability to give a speech, I like him because I believe him to be honest.

  • A great example of his integrity is in the way he handles all the negative attacks he has to endure from Hilary and McCain. Never once has he sunk to their level. Never once has he approved of a negative attack ad, and he has always, always, treated them with respect no matter what. This is the candidate we've been waiting for. I can just feel it in my gut. But if by some chance Barack Obama doesn't live up to his slogan and promises, I will be among the first people to call him on it.

  • Protest Oil Industry Price Gouging!

    Tuesday May 20,2008.

    American Petroleum Institute

    1220 L Street NW

    Washington, D.C.

    Organized by Nader/Gonzalez for president!

  • Ralph Nader is a true patriot who tells the TRUTH. Some people can't handle the truth because it hits them where they know, deep down, they and their chosen "leaders" are WEAK. They are so insecure about it that they'll do ANYTHING to prevent the truth getting out and will do ANYTHING to discredit anyone who dares to tell it; even try to DESTROY them.

    But the TRUTH will rise like cream to the top when the people realize they've been LIED to, and then the REVOLUTION of the PEOPLE will begin.

  • You gotta have NO COMMON SENSE to not be for Ralph Nadar. When are people gonna catch on to how dangerous Ron Paul is and join the NADAR 2008 campaign? Best edeucational movement that there is.

  • ladybroadoak:

    That's NOT true. I am a BIG fan of BOTH Ralph Nader and Ron Paul.

    I'm tired of people on the right saying Ralph Nader is "dangerous". And it's no better when people on the left use that adjective to describe Paul.

    Aside from differences on economics, they are the SAME on the MOST important issues facing us today: The war in Iraq, the U.S.'s misguided foreign policy, and the erosion of civil liberties.

    BOTH are TRUTH tellers. WATCH my videos and see why Paul is NOT "dangerous".

  • well said ! 

    ron paul ! nader! gravel !

    a new coalition ..........

    whoever doesn't get it by now is a moron !

  • i agree....i'm starting to think people are morons ....

  • As a woman I take grave exception to Ron Paul trying to overturn Roe v. Wade.

  • ladybroadoak:

    I respect your position, but you've missed what Ron Paul has been saying on this issue.

    His position is that although he is against abortion in his personal beliefs and feels the fetus has rights too, as President, he would NOT act one way or the other because the President, technically, does not have Constitutional authority to act on this issue (remember: he's ALL about actually FOLLOWING the Constitution). He would allow the decision to be made independently by each state.

  • You are incorrect. I missed NOTHING. The whole idea of trying to run things through the states is insane in today's globalist aociety. This is only ONE reason I don't care for Ron Paul anyway. I get very tired of arguing with the Ron Paul people. I am disabled and really don't care for his antiPEOPLE attitudes.  I don't care for ideologues.

  • What would be the problem with running things through the States?

    It'd certainly make representatives more accountable for their voting, and more beholden to their voters. George Bush is banking on the fact that he only has to control 535 members of congress, rather than millions of active citizens who will oust candidates that take direction from the Executive brand, rather than themselves.

    What about living in a 'globalized' means we have to surrender our power/rights? For what?

  • ladybroadoak:

    We ARE NOT "antiPEOPLE". This is a revolution OF the PEOPLE, from BOTH the the left and the right, to TAKE back OUR government, bring PEACE and RESTORE civil liberties.

    Where you're really missing the point is that this is about Ron Paul. It is NOT. Many of his followers are pro choice. Many of us are from the anti war left. We could just as easy latch on to Nader in the fall, but see Paul as the main one who CAN really kick the door of CHANGE in.

    Please watch my videos. Cheers.

  • There are social issues where the truth tellers diverge. But putting their ideas together would make quite a revolutionary coalition. I support Gravel because he has economic ideals similar to Paul's but diverges in the monetary policies and theories (and I do not support gold standard like Paul does, as gold is highly speculative). Gravel's views on social aspects in politics are more to my liking than Paul's. He and Nader are very good friends and very much alike. Hope we can see them unite.

  • mindtraveler2350:

    Though Paul prefers gold, if you read his platform, you'll notice he is NOT going to just switch the currency over to gold.

    His plan is to have TWO competing currencies: One backed by gold and one paper fiat. He knows the arguments in favor of fiat, so he will allow BOTH. In times of strong gold (like NOW), Americans can CHOOSE gold. When it goes down, or when situations warrant advantageous, they would have the CHOICE to switch back to paper fiat. It would create SOUND money

  • Wait, that doesn't make much sense. In times of strong gold he will allow people to CHOOSE gold (only to cause further speculative inflation???)? First off, people have lost the notion of what money really is. Money is as arbitrary as what you use to back it (if anything). The thing that I liked about Ron Paul is that he openly attacks our current monetary system and overspending, but to promote two competing currencies still does nothing to curtail spending and stabilize the dollar.

  • No. You'd have a choice ANY time. There would be 2 currencies: 1 backed by gold and 1 fiat.

    The responsibility would fall on the individual to decide which one to be invested in at any given time.

    Until '71 the money was backed by gold (at Fort Knox-the gold is still there!). The Constitution MANDATES it. The Founding Fathers were BIG on backing the currency with something of intrinsic value so it could NOT go into a free fall like the Continental Dollar did to PROTECT against inflation

  • That's where we differ. And the Constitution does not mandate gold backed currency. It just gives provisions to the government to coin money. The founding fathers knew the benefits of circulating a fiat currency (Colonial Scrip) and reaped the benefits. It was being forced to accept the gold backed currency of the Crown and the war that forced the currency to become inflated. Money is arbitrary. Hard currency has many pitfalls and is highly speculative in nature. We need to think beyond that.

  • To mindtraveler2350: Part 2:

    There are fair arguments pro and con for/against fiat or gold backed money. Perhaps it is fair to say that at one point in time, one might be more advantageous, but in another, the other may be better. This argument is moot because Ron Paul would allow BOTH. An advantage of gold is that it goes UP in times of uncertainty or calamity. If the individual wants to safeguard himself, he can do so with gold. But when gold appears headed down, he could switch over to fiat

  • midtraveler2350: Part 1

    The Constitution mandates that only gold & silver can be legal tender. Research the Continental Dollar and its collapse and the ensuing hyper inflation which soured the Founding Fathers on the notion of fiat. With gold/silver, the big advantage is that the money is backed by something of intrinsic value underneath it instead of just thin air (prevents a free fall). It forces the government to spend within its means since it can't print money out of thin air to pay debts

  • I've researched the issue enough. The ensuing inflation of Colonial Scrip was due to the war. There is not big advantage to using hard currency because the intrinsic value of the currency is just as arbitrary as anything you can base the fiat system. There is short term stability (longer short terms than with fiat) with backing but it You do not realize the arbitrariness of money, which is the problem with people trying to use monetary theory to base policy on.

  • mindtravler2350:

    There are fair arguments in favor/disfavor for both. I'm not trying to get in a debate about whether gold backed or fiat is better. Nor is Ron Paul. His plan is to give you and I a CHOICE between BOTH (1 gold backed, 1 fiat COMPETING against one another like the Euro vs. the pound). If one is devaluating, you have the option of going into the other to safeguard stability. If you like fiat, then you'd have the CHOICE to stay with it. He's NOT stopping you.

  • True, I know what Ron Paul is advocating, and such debating really doesn't get us anywhere unless we study the monetary theory and the macro/micro economic forces controlling the value of the currency. There are some obvious things that need to be done and I like the fact that Ron Paul proposes rational solutions to these problems (though I do not agree with some of his other social and environmental policies). The only thing that we can do now is to educate everyone about these problems.

  • mindtraveler2350:

    It certainly doesn't take a fancy PHD to understand that the county is piling on WAY too much debt which is forcing the currency to devaluate. This is where Paul shines.

    The only way to build down the debt (without throwing millions of people out in the street that is) is to build down this massive empire we're running abroad. Paul doesn't just stop at questioning the Iraq. He's challenging the whole screwed up premiss of the $trillion/year world policing U.S. foreign policy

  • Too bad I hate his stances on various social and environmental issues. Paul is not the only one challenging the fiscal gap and our runaway spending. I like what he stands for and I think if you combine him with Gravel, Nader, and the rest of the truth tellers, we can have a winning combination. As it stands however, I cannot give him my vote. American imperialism must stop, the control of our money supply must be put back in the hands of the Congress, and we must wake up and smell the garbage.

  • Things are a lot worse than we think because the American people are to apathetic to stop what is happening to our country.

    You say how can we do that?

    Vote Nader/Gonzalez that is how!

  • bush is a joke and the next president will be one too Nader knows what's going on unlike everyone else

  • ron paul certainly knows what's goin' on ...

    he is runnin' for prez' ....so is gravel ....

    both are NON- CFR members ..

  • he makes a shit ton of money off of his investments lol and almost all of it goes to non-profit organization

  • ALL of the "frontrunners" R CORRUPT MF's! VOTE 4 MIKE GRAVEL!! This GR8 MAN (who's CONSTANTLY been DISSED by mainstream media, SOLELY 4 BEING A MAJOR THREAT TO ALL THAT IS CORRUPT) is THE ONLY INTELLIGENT, ETHICAL, & COURAGEOUS candidate remaining, who IMPLEMENTS "CHANGE", rather than merely TALKING about it, LOOK UP HIS PAST POLITICAL HISTORY YOURSELF, THEN BE SURE TO SPREAD THE WORD ASAP (btw, in order to vote for him, U MUST change your party to "LIBERTARIAN" by AUGUST 4 OF THIS YEAR)!

  • Scotty, please please please do some research. Al Gore is one of the elite, untouchables in this country. If he even wanted to be president, he would have been!! Remember, the Supreme Court decided the election in 2000!! What the - !? Al Gore rolled over like a good little boy - like I'm sure he was told to - and got to keep his riches and status. Face it, there was a coup in this country (corporation?)in 2000, and we the people watched it happen!! Nader is a true patriot, my friend.

  • Truer words were never spoken!

  • Yes, things are worse thank to you, you dumbass. If you hadn't run a meaningless campaign for president in 2000 Al Gore would be president now, and the US wouldn't be facing half the problems it's facing.

  • Scotty, that is bullshit. Nader's campaign was anything but meaningless. He was the best candidate in '00 and he's the best candidate now.

  • Yeah, maybe he was the best, but in America, if you're not a member of the two major parties you will NOT win, and it was futile for Nader to try to do so in 2000. If he hadn't, Bush would not have won.

  • Scotty7617:

    You are correct that the cards were stacked against Nader in 2000 being not in one of the 2 parties (and are still now), however, people who oppose the status quo have a moral, ethical, and PATRIOTIC duty to oppose the corrupt mainstream in BOTH parties and vote 3rd Party if necessary if the nominated candidates are from the corrupt ruling mainstream of the 2 party's and not be blind sheep.

    Nader's voters in 2000 are the types that would have voted 3rd party even if he had NOT run.