Uh, could you clarify this confusing note? Who you talking about, dude? Who is this LIFE SKILLS teacher? If he's one of the West Chester cops in this arrest, he needs to attend classes on how to properly interact with citizens.
Wednesday April 9, 2008. House Armed Services Committee Hearing on Iraq.
"Americans have invested a great deal in Iraq in blood, as well as treasure, and they have the right to ask whether this is worth it, whether it is now time to walk away and let the Iraqis fend for themselves."
These are the comments made by US Ambassador to Iraq Ryan Crocker in his opening statement to the House Armed Services Committee.
"War, when necessary, is unspeakable. When unnecessary, it is unforgivable. It is not an occasion for heroism. It is an occasion only for survival and death. To regard war in any other way only guarantees its inevitable reappearance"
I'm also still awaiting, Grant or Meicht, the girl hitter, a reply about your affiliation with ANSWER.
They are Stalinazis, pal. And you are run by them.
If you are true American veterans you'd be damned ashamed of yourselves to goosestep with baby killing enthusiasts. ANSWER, if you never knew, have aligned themselves with North Korea, with Syria and Iran, with Hamas, and Chavez. They'd goosestep with Hitler if he were still around.
Thanks for visiting my You Tube site, but since you won't identify yourself there's nothing more to say to you. I have nothing to do with ANSWER and have no interest in trying to chip away at the cement in your head. Our goal is to address reasonable Americans on the fence, of which there are many.
They - Al Qaeda - are both in Iran and Iraq. Ahmedinejedad has never said what happened to the scores of Qaedists driven into Iran from Afghanistan. In your world, they are selling pistachio ice cream on the streets of Tehran, Grant.
The nerve of those who stand on street corners advocating for others to fight and die for their cause while they stay safely at home here in America is just oh so convenient. For example, Tania and Sean -- who are able-bodied, of age, and perfectly capable of serving, but out of cowardice choose not to. They just rely on others to do the grunt work while they serve as cheerleaders. Unfortunately there are no cheerleaders for vets like Bruhns, Grant, and Meicht, who actually fought a war.
welcome back into the frey. Do you know that grant's VFPers have taken to pushing blue star wives into traffic and hitting (twice)woman videographers? Did he tell you these things? Like winter soldier II, his campaign in West Chester is failing and he obviously needs help. Once again, welcome aboard.
I could care less what your perception is of Grant and VFP. All I know is that he, along with Meicht, fought for this country and should not be called traitors. I don't for a second buy that they pushed "blue star wives" into traffic. Thanks for the welcoming -- a tidal wave is along with me.
I have no concern. You'll get nowhere talking to me. You're lucky to be dealing with John Grant, others, such as myself, you would have a more difficult time with. I lack regard for the work of Tania, the videographer you speak of .. calling a Vietnam veteran a "traitor" is enough to send any veteran through the roof. I'm just wondering who you are ... scared ?
I'll not give you my personal info over the internet, I'm a regular at the rallies if you want to speak with me. Accasionally I miss due to Family activities.
I guess you didn't get the word, Marines aren't scared of anything.
Iv'e met you and would agree that if you landed in a body of water, you would indeed cause a tital wave.
Accasionally? No it is "occasionally." It is "tidal wave" not "tital wave." It is "I've" not "Iv'e." No need to thank me -- the spelling lesson is on the house. Also, I think I know you. You sound a lot like a "20 year E-6" who called me a deserter while he was waving a foreign flag. Anyway, I'm not going to argue with you. I said my piece here and I'm gone, you can just fire away with the insults, have a blast.
Yes, you are a 20year career reservist who only managed to make it to E-6. Page 11? Can't do your MCI courses because you can't spell? Problems being "squared away?" Plus you managed to avoid every combat zone for 20 years? WOW. You spent 20 years training on the weekends for what I spent a year doing. Damn -- I spent 8 years in and was recommended to be promoted to E-6, but I got out. I would probably be an E-7 by now. .
Unlike you, attaining rank & status is not important to me. I was more concerned with being a steady, reliable Marine, that knew his job well and gave his unit performance & continuity over the long term.
It would take fifty marines like Bruhn to make one of you, or have one drop of your courage. He just isn't use to having people call him what he is. He is used to his way, and now that they don't have their way anymore, their true colors are showing....and it isn't red, white, and blue...it looks more like a yellowish color with a chicken foot in it.
Your type of thinking gets us into wars like Iraq. Its the Bruhns of the world who have the backbone to serve bravely under fire, then to come home and tell his fellow citizens how and why he feels betrayed by those who so dishonestly took the nation to war in Iraq, a war he witnessed close up. Vets like Bruhns have a greater loyalty than yours, which only protects the lies used to bamboozle Americans into a disastrous quagmire. Bruhns is a true American Hero.
Yes, JG, you would think so. The ones who are truly Great American Heros, though, would not agree. You have a twisted idea of what a hero is or a great person. You think B. Hussien Obama is worthy of leading our country, too. Nothing more needs to be said about you. You chum around with Chavez, which puts you in the same category as Jane Fonda, probably another great American hero to you. Ask true vets what they would like to do or seen done to her. Great American Traitor, you and Bruhn.
Lot of nerve. I would enjoy grammatically correcting your passages. Have a problem with writing? You have a sanctimonious attitude, which one expects of people like you. Any person who wore the uniform is as good as any other. Of course, people like you take the superior attitude. I once said to a pro-American Viet Nam Vet that I did not feel like a veteran compared to him, and he told me that I had my job to do and without me doing mine, he couldn't do his. You should be so humble.
My name is "Bruhns" not "Bruhn." I don't know who you are. However, it appears that you are 59 year old who calls himself "williebird." How can you expect to be taken seriously with a name like "williebird?" Cheers.
Bruhn, typical libtard, perhaps because it is my name, but figures that instead of responding, you have to resort to trying to belittle others. Coward, traitor, and woman beater. Fortunately, there were not traitors like you among the brave Marines who stormed Imo Jima, otherwise, we still would be fighting WWII. Man up and stop crying. You are not a true American hero in my eyes or the eyes of those who truly serve our country. Semper Fi does not mean "do and cry".
Are you calling me a traitor and woman beater? Two things I am obviously not -- I never hit a woman in my life so it is laughable that you would resort to such an outrageous accusation. So now we not only know that you are a 59 year old who calls himself cute names like williebird, but you also telling lies about me. Accusing me a falsehoods that are actually "crimes" I didn't commit is probably criminal. And the men I served with would never stand for you calling me a traitor -- you quack
Like Truman said, "If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen." If you can't engage in dialogue stay off the internet. The next thing I expect to hear from your childish mind is "Sticks and stones can break my bones..." Grow up and try engaging in some intellectual activities that would broaden your mind.
By the way, please proofread. You viciously and maliciously attacked kevelhed for his misspelling and yet you continuously use bad grammer. Have literacy problems?
You have falsely & publicly accused me of a crime that I didn't commit -- that is bad news that you could end up getting sued for "williebird." Gosh -- I laugh every time I hear it. A grown man calling himself "williebird." Last I checked, traitor is a crime too, that warrants the harshest punishment. We do have lawyers now, finally. This will be referred to a lawyer for a legal opinion. Be careful not to engage your mouth without checking the facts -- OK, you quack.
Running your mouth on a street corner is the most "combat" you ever had the courage to participate in. Keep waving that foreign flag -- it suits you well. Oh yeah -- keep advocating for others to fight a battle you are afraid to fight yourself. Real American hero you are - LOL
Marines get little material reward or attention for their efforts and have the dicipline to acknowledge that the success of one's unit & their mission is far more important then any individual, moving the "ball" forward instead of scoring touchdowns, so-to-speak.
You obviously lack the warrior ethos to understand these things.
This is why we can never have a conversation. Things are not this black & white, the situation isn't this simplistic. As much as both of us would like it to be -- I wish it were that easy.
You are the type of person that makes one a believer in pro-choice and the sincere wish that your mother had been pro-choice. You do not deserve a thank you, the men and women who served our country with honor and love deserve it and get it from me with every check I send to disabled Veterans and other worthy veteran groups. Kevlarhed, you don't need to explain your spelling to this pompous idiot, we know where you are coming from. We make allowances for sleepiness, the tolerant side doesn't.
Calling a Vietnam veteran who served his country honorably a "traitor" "Nazi" or a "Deserter" is deplorable, disgraceful, and reprehensible. A dissenting view constitutes none of these disgusting accusations. Especially those who were jipped out of their distorted view of war and combat, for example Kevlarhed. If you ever faced the barrel of gun maybe you would have a different point of view. You trained to do what us combat vets actually did. You should show respect to combat vets.
Bottom line, Vet, we were attacked on 9/11 by the forces of Islamofascism - and Bin Laden, despite what you ignorant, goosestepping fools and the Democratic Party think - was in cahoots with Saddam. As he is in cahoots now with Ahmedinejedad. If he isn't, then what are Al Qaeda operatives and his own son doing in Iran?
Oh, playing with babies - or killing them ala Brian Becker, Karen Porter's hero.
You give aid and comfort to the enemy - and you do behave worse than Benedict Arnold did.
Al Qaeda is not in Iran. Read anything on Iran and al Qaeda -- anything!! -- and you'll learn al Qaeda is Sunni and Iran is Shiite. Get it? They don't like each other. John McCain, candidate for Presidency of the US, made the same mistake recently in Iraq. That McCain doesn't understand it any better than you is what's really scary. It's basic Sun Tzu: Know Your Enemy. Years in a Vietnamese POW camp doesn't mean much if one doesn't really know who he's fighting.
You've just proven how stupid and disingenuous you really are, Grant.
Sunni and Shi'ite do hate each other if they are together in a situation like Lebanon - but if there's Jews, Christians or Americans involved, they have NO problems getting together to kill.
One of Bin Laden's sons are in Iran right now. Don't believe me? Read Lawrence Wright. Saddam's terror camp at Salman Pak trained Hamas and Hizbullah, bud. Get an education, and change your name to Lee.
If that's you, Meicht, you don't deserve a response as I don't care for Nazis shoving women around. If it isn't, well, let me ask you this, chum.
Is your organization under the auspisces of ANSWER - as it is listed as such? If so, then you are a d&mn traitor. ANSWER is part and parcel of the Socialist Workers Party, a formerly Trotskyite, now Stalinazi organization led by a babykilling enthusiast named Brian Becker. Miss Porter has signed on - and so have you.
Traitors; for publicly siding with America's enemies during times of war.
Liars; For lying and spreading false propaganda and information about our soldiers in wars past & present.
Deserters; For publicly turning their backs on their fellow soldiers in the face of the enemy and for violating the sacred oath & trust to defend our country.
Hello? Have you ever heard of the CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES and the idea that citizens have the right to "redress their government?" VFP, VVAW and IVAW are -- despite your rant to the contrary -- good, decent Americans who have served in their country's military, often in war, and actually learned something that they are not afraid to share -- despite folks like you -- with other Americans and to address to their government. It's what makes this a great country.
In 1789, General and President George Washington spoke these words,
"The willingness with which our young people are likely to serve in any war, no matter how justified, shall be directly proportional as to how they perceive the Veterans of earlier wars were treated and appreciated by their country." Thanks John Grant, for your courage.
You're a joke. We veterans who fought on foreign soil, like me, Grant, and Meicht earned a right to the first amendment, and fought for your right -- we are still waiting for a "thank you" from you instead of your hateful condemnation of freedom of Americans to dissent. If you don't like it, go pound sand. I'm so sorry that you were jipped out of your overhyped view of what combat in Iraq actually is.
Veterans for Peace are veterans -- mostly combat veterans.
In 1789, General and President George Washington spoke these words,
"The willingness with which our young people are likely to serve in any war, no matter how justified, shall be directly proportional as to how they perceive the Veterans of earlier wars were treated and appreciated by their country."
You'd make great Hitlerite soldiers. Especially when it comes to hitting women. Skye had the right to protest just as you Fascists had the right - unfortunately to sing your "we shall overcome" nonsense.
Remember to sing to Bin Laden when he slits your throat - and you are a traitor.
Know anything about ANSWER, who leads it? If not, Grant, I suggest you find out. If you can still goosestep to them after that, then everything I've written here is true about you.
If you guys took just a minute to stop listening to the one idea bouncing around in your heads and actually, really listened to something new, maybe you would get it. Bin Laden and his ilk thrive on your thinking. Like we drove the Soviets to bankruptcy, Bin Laden & company are doing the same to us. Look out the window! The economy is headed into the toilet and the bill for Iraq alone will be upwards of $3 Trillion before we're done. Bin Laden is laughing in his cave.
I would need to see the full, unedited video--both this one, and Skye's--before trusting either account.
All I know is, Skye's camera was way too close to this vet's face right before whatever happened happened (& if she ever puts her vid back up, it'll show that... ...as would the rest of this one, I suspect.)
Whether a slap or brushing the camera aside, it's a shame it happened...
Obviously, you weren't there. Her camera was not too close to his face. He approached her and yelled to get the camera out of his face, as he was striking her. He may not have meant to hit her, but he did in anger....IN ANGER...listen to his voice. They are all angry, then accuse us of being angry. I have a great time out there each week, but have been accused of being angry...no just defending my country from those who betray it.
Obivously, I wasn't, which is why I'm relying on the videos to tell the true story. I don't see him approach her; from what I can tell from both videos, she was moving toward him before it happened. Yes, he was angry... Calling any vet a traitor will likely provoke that reaction in them, as well it should. No excuse for the actions he took, but also no surprise that anger was the response to your words (& hers, I suspect, though I cannot make out what she was saying...)
I finally got it... Skye was crying "censorship," perhaps because of the person who was blocking her camera shot of Dee with the sign...
The more I see of these two videos, the more I wish the raw footage of this one (or another, if there are any) showed the remainder of this altercation. John overreacted regardless, but I still think it very well might've been because Skye got too close, perhaps to get her shot back...
The guy's a vet who opposes a war, not a flower child opposing all violence under all circumstances. While you folks seem flummoxed that a person opposing the Iraq occupation might fight back when verbally attacked, I'm not the least bit surprised... I don't condone it--in fact, I think he responded poorly, even if he was just brushing the camera aside--but I'm not surprised by it, either... Whatever the stereotype, we ain't all followers of Ghandi & MLK as concerns non-violence.
I am a female vet, my ex husband is an iraq vet and a great man. My father a member of the W.C. peace group is a vietneam vet, His father a WW2 vet. That woman is an abomination. Those who have never seen combat should never utter the words traitor to a war vet. The pro war side should do some serious weeding in their ranks. Some being vets themselves, if they are not horrified by this woman then they are traitors themselves,to there fellow combat soldiers in arms.
I don't care where you or your family served. If you publicly trash the USA in public, during time of war, you are a friggin traitor & deserter. You help kill our troops in the field and ecourage our radical enemiies. While we are at, go get sized for a Berka!!!
Dee, you are an awesome and patriotic woman. You would have made a good Marine. kevlarhed
What country are you from? Public dissent is imbeded in our Bill of Rights. It is your attitude expressed so well here that is un-American and anti-American. To repeatedly called a Vietnam Vet who was wounded a traitor because he protests a war is simply wrong.
what a weak-cheese response!! How about adressing the points I made. The constitution does not give you the right to get our soldiers killed by weakening our resovle and helping our enemies. Not these soldiers, not this war, never again!!! Peace thru strength, we will win this war with or without the leftist like you who constantly shit on our Country. kevlarhed
Victory is not possible in a military occupation like we have in Iraq. The question is, instead, one of how long one chooses to continue the occupation. The British kept theirs going in Iraq for 24 years; given our faltering economy and the extreme cost of the occupation, pressure to end ours can only grow, lest we bankrupt our own nation.
Opps....you just called a vet (me) a traitor, where is the condemnation from your side? I am a true vet, not one who uses my country and vet status to spread lies and violence. The peacniks should also do some weeding, as all of your people have serious problems holding their tongues. They approach me and comment and I respond. Don't ask if you don't want the truth. Your side cannot get anything real on us so they invent things to smear and discredit us, typical leftards. I agree with Kevlarhed
Why does this video edit out the footage of beret-guy TWICE smacking around a young woman? Why does this video edit out the "peacenik" assaulting a policeman? "War is not the answer" but assaulting women and police officers is the answer? Hyprocrits!
Maybe, it's because there is no footage of skye (aka-tanya) being slapped around not twice, not even once. And maybe there is no video of a policeman being pushed. Maybe there IS video showing clearly and unequivocally that these things did not happen. It is interesting to watch the hysteria, rumors and outright lies that the pro war side is spreading around. It shows how you use rumor & falsehood as fact. You are not concerned about facts related to this incident or facts about the Iraq war.
You are absolutely right. This is why I find it so curious, that so many pro war people are promoting this story without knowing "THE WHOLE." If they knew "THE WHOLE" they would not be saying that skye was slapped around or smacked around. The whole truth would show clearly that she wasn't.
That is exactly my point. A neutral court will decide in the end. But, what I see on this site and others is the pro war people intentionally spreading falsehoods before the know the "whole Truth." Skye certainly knows she wasn't "slapped," but yet she does not speak up to stop these rumors. She did release a 44 second video which just showed her camera going dead, and nothing more. Then she quickly removed the video. She is helping to promote these falsehoods.
peaceveteran, As stated earlier, I've seen other videos. They "show" more than video. There is the natural audio. But again, the issue of the arrest is not about competing claims on either movement side. The arrest was for assaulting a police officer who was called to the scene to restore order. Let's concentrate on that. Do you think assaulting a police officer is justified in this particular event?
It is not appropriate to assault a police officer in this situation. But again you don't seem to understand no specific charges have been filed. But when there is video being shot of the entire scene, that does not support assault of a police officer, I am sure there will be no assault charges filed.
No police officer was "assaulted" or "pushed" in any way, shape or form in this case. Anything to suggest that is nothing but self-serving hysteria on the part of the pro-war folks. The cops could have been much more professional and more sensitive to the situation; if so, there would have been no arrests. According to the cop himself, the second man was arrested for "raising his voice." As for the editing of raw video, it is simply a matter of standard journalistic story-telling.
I will stress, as I did in other comments, I was there and no police officer was "assaulted." To suggest that is self-serving fiction. With more training in civil affairs policing (after all, this incident is, in essence, about constitutionally protected behavior) the police would have acted more professionally and these arrests would not have happened.
peaceveteran, [1/2]Let's be clear (for the benefit of less-informed readers), the beret-guy (is he John Grant?) was arrested for assaulting a police officer, not for assaulting anyone else -- a police officer! Now, even IF he had been "provoked", as he claims, by Victory Movement members, how does that lead to him assaulting a police officer?
No the individual is definitely not John Grant. Your friend Dee can confirm that. You are operating under the assumption that the police officer was assaulted. The video evidence does not support that. Specific charges have not even been assigned yet. If the video supported that I could agree with your general premise.
peaceveteranm [2/2] The police officer was called to the scene - not "provoking." Hypothetically, if I am provoked by my husband, does that mean I get to assault a police officer called to restore order to the scene? The two issues (animosity between the two movements & the arrest for assaulting a police officer) is convenient for some to blur together, but they are not legitimate cause/effect events.
xdhimmi, You are operating under the assumption that the police officer was assaulted. The video evidence does not support that. Specific charges have not even been assigned yet. If the video supported that I could agree with your general premise.
peaceveteran, You are correct. I made that assumption from Porter's words which I've just now re-checked. She says the beret-guy had "conflict" with a police officer, also the 2nd person arrested had "conflict" with a police officer.
BTW, I have written you a private correspondence via YT. Please be sure to read it.
The word "conflict can mean anything from a war i.e. The Korean Conflict," to an argument with a neighbor. It can mean having two appointments at the same time. "I have a scheduling conflict" We should not jump to conclusion because of a misunderstanding of words. The pro war people are spreading lots of falshoods before they know the facts.
peaceveteran, I am pleased you separate the two issues: (1) conflict between opposing movements, and (2) conflict between beret-guy & police officer. One is not the cause of the other.
And I am pleased that you are willing to have a civil, thoughtful and rational discussion. Many of the pro war folk are not willing to do this. I only talk about my personal experience. If we could all tone down the rhetoric, and have more civility, we might just take a big step in understanding each others point of view. I have no delusions of changing anyone's point of view, but I would like to advance the cause of treating each other with more civility.
JG, How is it possible to have a civil, thoughtful, and rational discussion with you when your video clearly shows you are no more than a propagandist? First, the accompanying music to the video states that the dice were loaded and everyone knows that. Your suggesting that the CCVM and police conspired in the arrest of the two peacniks. As a video journalist I suggest you attempt to portray the truth. SUggestion: how about music that fits what happened. I fought the law and the law won.
For my taste, the Cohen song nailed it. To be clear, my video does not suggest "the CCVM and police conspired in the arrest." Life and video imagery are more complex than that. Despite you trying to suggest we do, the fact is, members of VFP and CCPM have no "fight" with the police. What I'd say my video suggests is that, in a politically volatile situation like Saturday's, West Chester cops would benefit from some training in modern civil affairs policing methods.
JG, your response calls to mind a line from 1984-The governing body has opposing points of view and believes in each. You stated that the VFP and CCPM have no fight with the police, but then say that they need sensitivity training (such a liberal concept). You don't have a fight with the police but then you do have a fight. The police did not cause your buddy to act criminally, as evidenced by Skye's video, he did that on his own. Your teammates should receive the same training, don't you think?
It's amazing how you edited your film to conveniently leave off the part where that GUY struck a GIRL, twice. AND when that same guy struck the Police Officer that was trying to ask him what happened. You can edit anything to say and look the way you want. That will NEVER stand up in court.
The hysteria in this case is over the top. I'll leave the issue of Skye to the courtroom. Fact: No one "struck" a police officer in any way, shape or form. I was there. No one is saying these cops are bad men; but I'm saying their professionalism would benefit greatly from some training in civil affairs policing.
Your side just cannot stand that people think you are wrong and have twisted thinking. Before you comment you should have your story straight. We all know how John lies...opps, I guess it is called a mistatement nowadays, because the libtards think lie is an unnice word. I think I smell a RINO in the audience here? You are as right-wing as Osama, I mean Obama is.
Dee- you are an embarrassment to conservatives. I'm serious. You make us all look bad. Did you really have to call a vet a traitor? Did that make you feel better?
You act like a angry child who just learned about politics. Your obnoxiousness has me taking the side their side on this! Do you know how that makes me feel?
In all honestly, watching this video, after coming here from Malkin's site, almost broke my heart. Your behavior was absolutely disgusting.
No more of an embarassment than you are pretending to be a conservative. You don't like what I have to say, don't listen, I have as much right to say what I want as the girls on their side have to call our troops children killers. Quite frankly, my dear, I don't give a hoot how you feel. You should feel bad defending them. Their so-called vets call our troops children killers, where is your outrage about that? He is a traitor and so are you. I am not angry, just disgusted with your kind.
He shouldn't be a traitor and hide behind his veteran status. What? Does being a vet give him a free pass to engage in bad behavior? I was looking for conflict...look again, moron, obviously he was saying something to me before I conflicted with him. He tried to intimidate me and he can't.
I never was a "hippy," though I have inhaled. Thanks for your conversion. An attorney friend just defended an 83-year-old woman in NW PA charged with "assault" for kicking a 30-year-old Iraq vet in the pants who screamed in her 85-year-old husband's face that he was a "coward" and a "traitor" for opposing the war. The guy has 4 bronze stars for driving a landing craft under fire onto Japanese held islands. Such behavior is indefensible and intentionally provocative.
John: I didn't mean you were a hippy, I was using the term in the broad sense. I truly am sorry for what happened to you. Please know that most conservatives don't act like that. At least none of the ones I know. My brother's an Iraq vet and he's against the war. I disagree with him strongly, but if someone called him a traitor...
The hippy remark was a joke. I like to engage with true "conservatives," with whom I share many things, especially the notion of struggling to live within your means and to avoid putting your grandchildren in hock for imperial ambition. My leftist credentials focus on a sense of justice for the little guy and against the bullies of the world; thus, my antipathy for George Bush and some -- not all -- of these pro-war folks in West Chester.
John Grant, you disgust me, Of course you edited-out your fellow deserter smacking our videographer (a woman) twice. You are a failure, just like winter soldier II.
You were not there. I was. This episode was a case of clear provocation, something easily preventable, which the CCVM leader said he wanted to do. The fact is, you guys want this kind of thing. Skye was delighted after what happened. The truth will come out in court -- not here.
Yes, JG, this was staged, and you had your video on because.....? We want this thing? Who was the one screaming, (and I mean really screaming, not the manufactured screaming I am accused of, as well as using profanity, which I do not do), of telling us to get off your corner? Why is it that you guys come to our corner and nobody threatens you, but we come to your corner and we get threatened? Why is that, JG? Yes, the truth will out, but you guys will find a way to spin it.
Dee, I was referring to an agreement we had with Rich Davis from a meeting on 3/18 he sought with me to, he claimed, avoid things "getting out of hand." We agreed that at 12 Noon you would go get your photo made etc and we would not bother you and we would go to the bank entrance and you would not bother us. Apparently, Rich had no business seeking & making such an agreement, since he clearly can't deliver what he agrees to, apparently in secret from you. THAT is what I was referring to.
Let me get this straight, you made a deal with Rich, and because we did not know of such a deal, and we were on YOUR corner, you had the right to yell and scream at the top of your lungs that we were not allowed on your corner? Your side wouldn't interfere with our group picture, that would take courage, something sorely lacking in peacniks. BTW, nothing justifies your tampering with the video to push your cause. We are not the liars and troublemakers, and you know it, JG. Show the real thing.
Dee, You state that "Why is it that you guys come to our corner and nobody threatens you..." I have stood next to you on several occasions and you have threatened me and others with physical harm. You do not speak the truth.
Are you crazy? I never would threaten physical violence, that is not my style. Sorry...have me confused with one of your women, which I most definitely am not. On the other hand, your little side kick has called me foul words, and threatened me. If you are talking about that time she told me she would kick my a--, and I laughing told her to come and do it, as I could squash her with one foot. If you notice I said laughingly. I wouldn't lose my job over that nitwit loser. Don't start trouble.
You have threatened physical violence. I have heard it as well as others. You have called me a traitor and anti-american on several occasions. Now you have called a vietnam vet a traitor repeatedly. You actions are designed to provoke, provoke, provoke.
Get the evidence of who heard Dee threaten violence and not your leftard sidekick who truly threatens people by saying that she would kick our butts, but she used a cuss word, of course. Put your money where your mouth is.
The first casualty in war is the truth. Dee screams at a Vietnam Vet that he is a TRAITOR while Sky takes the video. Is this a provocateur setup or what?
The first casualty in war is the truth. While Dee screams at a Vietnam Vet that he is a TRAITOR, Sky takes the video. Is this a provocateur setup or what?
How like a leftard...seeing a conspiracy in anything they want to see it in. I do believe that this film was taken by one of yours? I did not scream at that traitor, and you don't know what happened before that because conveniently, John edits what makes his side look like what they are...angry, hateful people. I, too, am a vet and he shouldn't talk to me the way he does, or glare with such hatred.
Another obvious point, this is not Skye's video, so obviously one of the peacniks had a camera rolling, too. He is a traitor. He hurts our troops with his words and deeds. If you don't like the truth, too bad. I can call anybody anything I want, after all, freedom of speech and all that stuff. You are supposed to be ardent supporters of that...oh..that's right, only if you say what the libs want you to say. I am a vet and he said some nasty things to me, but...that isn't taped....what a surprise
Calling a wounded Viet Nam veteran a traitor is one of the most shameful things an American can do. Such insults express rage at a man who is using his moral authority to unravel a myth many base their lives on - the myth that America's wars are noble.
Vets - Thanks for facing the indignities of standing for truth on the front lines - exposing yourself to attacks of Americans who haven't yet learned we have the right and responsibility to criticize policies that undermine our American principles.
Anti-war vets stand strong! We need your strength for peace. Your leadership at this time is heroic.
I believe that unarmed truth and unconditional love will have the final word in reality. That is why right, temporarily defeated, is stronger than evil triumphant. [info][add][mail] Martin Luther King Jr.
Like an unchecked cancer, hate corrodes the personality and eats away its vital unity. Hate destroys a man's sense of values and his/her objectivity. It causes him to describe the beautiful as ugly and the ugly as beautiful, and to confuse the true with the false and the false with the true. Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.
Dear Dee, I am saddened by your disrespect for a man who sacrificed & gave his blood when he was wounded in Viet Nam. I don't understand how you can think he hates his country. He's using his Constitutionally protected right of free speech to tell us what he learned in the heat of battle. America can handle criticism. That's what makes democracy work.
"We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. When the loyal opposition dies, I think the soul of America dies with it." Edward R. Murrow
He hates his country because he stands over there spewing vile and vicious lies about our country. Obviously, you don't know your own kind. Don't take a patronizing attitude, it doesn't work. He is a traitor to my country. Just as he has a right to spew his lies, others have a right to call him on it. Isn't that democracy, too...oh no...that's right freedom of speech only works for the leftards, right? They are the only ones who can say what they feel such as our troops kill children.
I know that Bill Mahr said (about a month ago) that Barack Hussein Obama's beating of Hillary in the primaries was: "The greatest beating of a woman, since Ike hit Tina Turner." Well, I think the beating of Skye (sp?) has now trumped that one. Hey, why take the high road when you can be funny? I'm just glad I wasn't there on Saturday, because I may have done something stupid...
Enough hysteria. Fact: Rich Davis, the leader of the Chester County Victory Movement sought a meeting with me and another VFP member to (his words) "talk about how to keep things from getting out of hand." At his request, we met on 3/18 in a West Chester restaurant where Rich fully agreed to one ground rule: At 12 Noon both groups would withdraw to secure corners un-harassed by anyone from the opposition. If Rich had been good for his word, none of this would have happened.
Police state? If the peace protester did not harass the police they would not have been arrested...did anybody mention that? Respect the troops, they do not...so why respect the police? They showed their true colors. Radar said he had it on tape that Skye did not get hit....where is that?
Skye did not deserve to get smacked in the face, nor did the two girls who were pushed off the corner by a peace protester-yes a man- several weeks ago, deserve to be shoved into traffic. These are not very nice people. The accusations in the posts below, of warmongering and police states, are ridiculous. It's a free country- thanks to our troops- which his why we can all be there. Get over it, and try not to cry so loud in your koolaid...
The Support the Troops people are NOT pro-war! Many of the Support the troops people are veterans who despise war. The Support the Troops people know war is a necessary evil to protect our freedom and keep the Hitlers of the world from detroying our liberty. The 'peace' group sure seems to be traitors who hate our American way of life, and see Communism as positive. The peace group wants to destroy our democracy. BTW, there is a video of the cowardly traitor punching a girl in the face!
Why didn't this video show the 'peace' protester punching the "Support The Troops" rally preson, who is a girl, in the face? As usual,the 'peace' protesters are in favor of anything that is anti-American, including punching innocent girls in the face! Again, SHAME on the peace group. There is a video that shows the usual cowardice of the peace group. Show it!
Bless you Vets for Peace, for having courage when our country is losing its mind. Your film clearly shows the insane level of delusion some have reached when a woman supposedly "in support" of the troops calls an honered veteren a "traitor," and is willing, like so many others, to send even more young men and women to their deaths in a mockery of "freedom" and "liberation".
Mission accomplished. 5 Years of Bush's lies and 4,000 U.S soldiers dead. We have a criminal running our country. Who are the heroes? those who have the courage to stand-up to a criminal administration. Thank you my friends. Do not let the insults from the warmongers touch your souls!
i was jk i think we really need a change and we should stop war and my cousin lives there he said to post that as a joke i live in Pheonixlle
KDBHproductions 3 years ago
hahahaha the guy aresting him is our teacher for life skills he told us to watch this lol and VOTE MCAIN 08!!
KDBHproductions 3 years ago
KDBH Productions:
Uh, could you clarify this confusing note? Who you talking about, dude? Who is this LIFE SKILLS teacher? If he's one of the West Chester cops in this arrest, he needs to attend classes on how to properly interact with citizens.
JG
vetagainstwar 3 years ago
Wednesday April 9, 2008. House Armed Services Committee Hearing on Iraq.
"Americans have invested a great deal in Iraq in blood, as well as treasure, and they have the right to ask whether this is worth it, whether it is now time to walk away and let the Iraqis fend for themselves."
These are the comments made by US Ambassador to Iraq Ryan Crocker in his opening statement to the House Armed Services Committee.
JBRUHNS5 3 years ago
Women are sweet, too, when you don't smack them around.
williebird1 3 years ago
"War is sweet for those who have never tasted it.
Erasmus (1469-1536)
peaceveteran 3 years ago
I abhor war and view it as the greatest scourge of mankind.
Thomas Jefferson
JBRUHNS5 3 years ago
"War, when necessary, is unspeakable. When unnecessary, it is unforgivable. It is not an occasion for heroism. It is an occasion only for survival and death. To regard war in any other way only guarantees its inevitable reappearance"
TOM BISSELL
peaceveteran 3 years ago
I'm also still awaiting, Grant or Meicht, the girl hitter, a reply about your affiliation with ANSWER.
They are Stalinazis, pal. And you are run by them.
If you are true American veterans you'd be damned ashamed of yourselves to goosestep with baby killing enthusiasts. ANSWER, if you never knew, have aligned themselves with North Korea, with Syria and Iran, with Hamas, and Chavez. They'd goosestep with Hitler if he were still around.
Would you, Bud?
rockon1898 3 years ago
Rockon1898:
Thanks for visiting my You Tube site, but since you won't identify yourself there's nothing more to say to you. I have nothing to do with ANSWER and have no interest in trying to chip away at the cement in your head. Our goal is to address reasonable Americans on the fence, of which there are many.
JG
vetagainstwar 3 years ago
They - Al Qaeda - are both in Iran and Iraq. Ahmedinejedad has never said what happened to the scores of Qaedists driven into Iran from Afghanistan. In your world, they are selling pistachio ice cream on the streets of Tehran, Grant.
rockon1898 3 years ago
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.
Thomas Jefferson
JBRUHNS5 3 years ago
I abhor war and view it as the greatest scourge of mankind.
Thomas Jefferson
JBRUHNS5 3 years ago
The nerve of those who stand on street corners advocating for others to fight and die for their cause while they stay safely at home here in America is just oh so convenient. For example, Tania and Sean -- who are able-bodied, of age, and perfectly capable of serving, but out of cowardice choose not to. They just rely on others to do the grunt work while they serve as cheerleaders. Unfortunately there are no cheerleaders for vets like Bruhns, Grant, and Meicht, who actually fought a war.
JBRUHNS5 3 years ago
bruhns,
welcome back into the frey. Do you know that grant's VFPers have taken to pushing blue star wives into traffic and hitting (twice)woman videographers? Did he tell you these things? Like winter soldier II, his campaign in West Chester is failing and he obviously needs help. Once again, welcome aboard.
kevlarhed
kevlarhed 3 years ago
kevlarhed,
I could care less what your perception is of Grant and VFP. All I know is that he, along with Meicht, fought for this country and should not be called traitors. I don't for a second buy that they pushed "blue star wives" into traffic. Thanks for the welcoming -- a tidal wave is along with me.
JBRUHNS5 3 years ago
By the way -- am I speaking with Ray? What is your real name? I'm front and center
JBRUHNS5 3 years ago
Kevlarhed,
I have no concern. You'll get nowhere talking to me. You're lucky to be dealing with John Grant, others, such as myself, you would have a more difficult time with. I lack regard for the work of Tania, the videographer you speak of .. calling a Vietnam veteran a "traitor" is enough to send any veteran through the roof. I'm just wondering who you are ... scared ?
JBRUHNS5 3 years ago
bruhns,
I'll not give you my personal info over the internet, I'm a regular at the rallies if you want to speak with me. Accasionally I miss due to Family activities.
I guess you didn't get the word, Marines aren't scared of anything.
Iv'e met you and would agree that if you landed in a body of water, you would indeed cause a tital wave.
kevlarhed
kevlarhed 3 years ago
Accasionally? No it is "occasionally." It is "tidal wave" not "tital wave." It is "I've" not "Iv'e." No need to thank me -- the spelling lesson is on the house. Also, I think I know you. You sound a lot like a "20 year E-6" who called me a deserter while he was waving a foreign flag. Anyway, I'm not going to argue with you. I said my piece here and I'm gone, you can just fire away with the insults, have a blast.
JBRUHNS5 3 years ago
bruhns,
gimme' a break on the spelling, I think it was near midnight when I wrote it and was half asleep.
It was the Israeli flag that I was holding, our little brother in the middle east, and the only democracy.
kevlarhed
kevlarhed 3 years ago
Yes, you are a 20year career reservist who only managed to make it to E-6. Page 11? Can't do your MCI courses because you can't spell? Problems being "squared away?" Plus you managed to avoid every combat zone for 20 years? WOW. You spent 20 years training on the weekends for what I spent a year doing. Damn -- I spent 8 years in and was recommended to be promoted to E-6, but I got out. I would probably be an E-7 by now. .
JBRUHNS5 3 years ago
bruhns,
I thought you said your piece, oh well?
Unlike you, attaining rank & status is not important to me. I was more concerned with being a steady, reliable Marine, that knew his job well and gave his unit performance & continuity over the long term.
kevlarhed
kevlarhed 3 years ago
All I can say to that is "thank you for your service." -- Sincerely
JBRUHNS5 3 years ago
It would take fifty marines like Bruhn to make one of you, or have one drop of your courage. He just isn't use to having people call him what he is. He is used to his way, and now that they don't have their way anymore, their true colors are showing....and it isn't red, white, and blue...it looks more like a yellowish color with a chicken foot in it.
williebird1 3 years ago
Willy Bird:
Your type of thinking gets us into wars like Iraq. Its the Bruhns of the world who have the backbone to serve bravely under fire, then to come home and tell his fellow citizens how and why he feels betrayed by those who so dishonestly took the nation to war in Iraq, a war he witnessed close up. Vets like Bruhns have a greater loyalty than yours, which only protects the lies used to bamboozle Americans into a disastrous quagmire. Bruhns is a true American Hero.
JG
vetagainstwar 3 years ago
Yes, JG, you would think so. The ones who are truly Great American Heros, though, would not agree. You have a twisted idea of what a hero is or a great person. You think B. Hussien Obama is worthy of leading our country, too. Nothing more needs to be said about you. You chum around with Chavez, which puts you in the same category as Jane Fonda, probably another great American hero to you. Ask true vets what they would like to do or seen done to her. Great American Traitor, you and Bruhn.
williebird1 3 years ago
Bruhn,
Lot of nerve. I would enjoy grammatically correcting your passages. Have a problem with writing? You have a sanctimonious attitude, which one expects of people like you. Any person who wore the uniform is as good as any other. Of course, people like you take the superior attitude. I once said to a pro-American Viet Nam Vet that I did not feel like a veteran compared to him, and he told me that I had my job to do and without me doing mine, he couldn't do his. You should be so humble.
williebird1 3 years ago
My name is "Bruhns" not "Bruhn." I don't know who you are. However, it appears that you are 59 year old who calls himself "williebird." How can you expect to be taken seriously with a name like "williebird?" Cheers.
JBRUHNS5 3 years ago
Bruhn, typical libtard, perhaps because it is my name, but figures that instead of responding, you have to resort to trying to belittle others. Coward, traitor, and woman beater. Fortunately, there were not traitors like you among the brave Marines who stormed Imo Jima, otherwise, we still would be fighting WWII. Man up and stop crying. You are not a true American hero in my eyes or the eyes of those who truly serve our country. Semper Fi does not mean "do and cry".
williebird1 3 years ago
Are you calling me a traitor and woman beater? Two things I am obviously not -- I never hit a woman in my life so it is laughable that you would resort to such an outrageous accusation. So now we not only know that you are a 59 year old who calls himself cute names like williebird, but you also telling lies about me. Accusing me a falsehoods that are actually "crimes" I didn't commit is probably criminal. And the men I served with would never stand for you calling me a traitor -- you quack
JBRUHNS5 3 years ago
Like Truman said, "If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen." If you can't engage in dialogue stay off the internet. The next thing I expect to hear from your childish mind is "Sticks and stones can break my bones..." Grow up and try engaging in some intellectual activities that would broaden your mind.
williebird1 3 years ago
By the way, please proofread. You viciously and maliciously attacked kevelhed for his misspelling and yet you continuously use bad grammer. Have literacy problems?
williebird1 3 years ago
You have falsely & publicly accused me of a crime that I didn't commit -- that is bad news that you could end up getting sued for "williebird." Gosh -- I laugh every time I hear it. A grown man calling himself "williebird." Last I checked, traitor is a crime too, that warrants the harshest punishment. We do have lawyers now, finally. This will be referred to a lawyer for a legal opinion. Be careful not to engage your mouth without checking the facts -- OK, you quack.
JBRUHNS5 3 years ago
Your whining is a bore. Waaa Waaa. What a little crybaby the bully turns out to be.
williebird1 3 years ago
Running your mouth on a street corner is the most "combat" you ever had the courage to participate in. Keep waving that foreign flag -- it suits you well. Oh yeah -- keep advocating for others to fight a battle you are afraid to fight yourself. Real American hero you are - LOL
JBRUHNS5 3 years ago
bruhns,
Marines get little material reward or attention for their efforts and have the dicipline to acknowledge that the success of one's unit & their mission is far more important then any individual, moving the "ball" forward instead of scoring touchdowns, so-to-speak.
You obviously lack the warrior ethos to understand these things.
kevlarhed
kevlarhed 3 years ago
bruhns,
As always, myself & the CCVM stand ready to marginalize you & your puny scrum of disgruntled vets.
Go write your leftist, anti-American blog rants, hold hands with jane fonda & george sorros, but you will not go un-challenged.
You have deserted our troops and support our enemies.
Unlike Vietnam, Americans across this country are demanding victory & success in IRAQ.
"not these troops, not this war, never again"
kevlarhed
kevlarhed 3 years ago
This is why we can never have a conversation. Things are not this black & white, the situation isn't this simplistic. As much as both of us would like it to be -- I wish it were that easy.
JBRUHNS5 3 years ago
We can have a conversation with you and your kind; we're jusy waiting for you Soldier-haters to actually SAY SOMETHING!
paulgeneral 3 years ago
You are the type of person that makes one a believer in pro-choice and the sincere wish that your mother had been pro-choice. You do not deserve a thank you, the men and women who served our country with honor and love deserve it and get it from me with every check I send to disabled Veterans and other worthy veteran groups. Kevlarhed, you don't need to explain your spelling to this pompous idiot, we know where you are coming from. We make allowances for sleepiness, the tolerant side doesn't.
williebird1 3 years ago
But what if tghe "vietnam veteran" in question really IS a traitor?
paulgeneral 3 years ago
Calling a Vietnam veteran who served his country honorably a "traitor" "Nazi" or a "Deserter" is deplorable, disgraceful, and reprehensible. A dissenting view constitutes none of these disgusting accusations. Especially those who were jipped out of their distorted view of war and combat, for example Kevlarhed. If you ever faced the barrel of gun maybe you would have a different point of view. You trained to do what us combat vets actually did. You should show respect to combat vets.
JBRUHNS5 3 years ago
But what if the gutless, hate-filled, woman-beating traitor in question really IS a traitor?
paulgeneral 3 years ago
Bottom line, Vet, we were attacked on 9/11 by the forces of Islamofascism - and Bin Laden, despite what you ignorant, goosestepping fools and the Democratic Party think - was in cahoots with Saddam. As he is in cahoots now with Ahmedinejedad. If he isn't, then what are Al Qaeda operatives and his own son doing in Iran?
Oh, playing with babies - or killing them ala Brian Becker, Karen Porter's hero.
You give aid and comfort to the enemy - and you do behave worse than Benedict Arnold did.
rockon1898 3 years ago
Rockon1898:
Al Qaeda is not in Iran. Read anything on Iran and al Qaeda -- anything!! -- and you'll learn al Qaeda is Sunni and Iran is Shiite. Get it? They don't like each other. John McCain, candidate for Presidency of the US, made the same mistake recently in Iraq. That McCain doesn't understand it any better than you is what's really scary. It's basic Sun Tzu: Know Your Enemy. Years in a Vietnamese POW camp doesn't mean much if one doesn't really know who he's fighting.
JG
vetagainstwar 3 years ago
Oh, they're not in Iraq?
You've just proven how stupid and disingenuous you really are, Grant.
Sunni and Shi'ite do hate each other if they are together in a situation like Lebanon - but if there's Jews, Christians or Americans involved, they have NO problems getting together to kill.
One of Bin Laden's sons are in Iran right now. Don't believe me? Read Lawrence Wright. Saddam's terror camp at Salman Pak trained Hamas and Hizbullah, bud. Get an education, and change your name to Lee.
rockon1898 3 years ago
For so-called Vet...
If that's you, Meicht, you don't deserve a response as I don't care for Nazis shoving women around. If it isn't, well, let me ask you this, chum.
Is your organization under the auspisces of ANSWER - as it is listed as such? If so, then you are a d&mn traitor. ANSWER is part and parcel of the Socialist Workers Party, a formerly Trotskyite, now Stalinazi organization led by a babykilling enthusiast named Brian Becker. Miss Porter has signed on - and so have you.
rockon1898 3 years ago
VFP =
Traitors; for publicly siding with America's enemies during times of war.
Liars; For lying and spreading false propaganda and information about our soldiers in wars past & present.
Deserters; For publicly turning their backs on their fellow soldiers in the face of the enemy and for violating the sacred oath & trust to defend our country.
PS. If this was WWII you would be in prison.
kevlarhed 3 years ago
Kevlarhead:
Hello? Have you ever heard of the CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES and the idea that citizens have the right to "redress their government?" VFP, VVAW and IVAW are -- despite your rant to the contrary -- good, decent Americans who have served in their country's military, often in war, and actually learned something that they are not afraid to share -- despite folks like you -- with other Americans and to address to their government. It's what makes this a great country.
JG
vetagainstwar 3 years ago
In 1789, General and President George Washington spoke these words,
"The willingness with which our young people are likely to serve in any war, no matter how justified, shall be directly proportional as to how they perceive the Veterans of earlier wars were treated and appreciated by their country." Thanks John Grant, for your courage.
JBRUHNS5 3 years ago
What's so good about disgruntled former soldiers who now support the political ideologies of America's enemies?
paulgeneral 3 years ago
kevlarhed,
You're a joke. We veterans who fought on foreign soil, like me, Grant, and Meicht earned a right to the first amendment, and fought for your right -- we are still waiting for a "thank you" from you instead of your hateful condemnation of freedom of Americans to dissent. If you don't like it, go pound sand. I'm so sorry that you were jipped out of your overhyped view of what combat in Iraq actually is.
JBRUHNS5 3 years ago
VFP = Traitors, Liars, Deserters.
kevlarhed 3 years ago
Veterans for Peace are veterans -- mostly combat veterans.
In 1789, General and President George Washington spoke these words,
"The willingness with which our young people are likely to serve in any war, no matter how justified, shall be directly proportional as to how they perceive the Veterans of earlier wars were treated and appreciated by their country."
JBRUHNS5 3 years ago
"veterans" for "peace" aren't for peace; they're against the military!
paulgeneral 3 years ago
JG, and JM,
You'd make great Hitlerite soldiers. Especially when it comes to hitting women. Skye had the right to protest just as you Fascists had the right - unfortunately to sing your "we shall overcome" nonsense.
Remember to sing to Bin Laden when he slits your throat - and you are a traitor.
Know anything about ANSWER, who leads it? If not, Grant, I suggest you find out. If you can still goosestep to them after that, then everything I've written here is true about you.
rockon1898 3 years ago
Rockon1898:
If you guys took just a minute to stop listening to the one idea bouncing around in your heads and actually, really listened to something new, maybe you would get it. Bin Laden and his ilk thrive on your thinking. Like we drove the Soviets to bankruptcy, Bin Laden & company are doing the same to us. Look out the window! The economy is headed into the toilet and the bill for Iraq alone will be upwards of $3 Trillion before we're done. Bin Laden is laughing in his cave.
JG
vetagainstwar 3 years ago
No, your gutless ragheaded buddy bin laden thrives on YOUR unpatriotic thinking!
paulgeneral 3 years ago
I would need to see the full, unedited video--both this one, and Skye's--before trusting either account.
All I know is, Skye's camera was way too close to this vet's face right before whatever happened happened (& if she ever puts her vid back up, it'll show that... ...as would the rest of this one, I suspect.)
Whether a slap or brushing the camera aside, it's a shame it happened...
repsac3 3 years ago
Obviously, you weren't there. Her camera was not too close to his face. He approached her and yelled to get the camera out of his face, as he was striking her. He may not have meant to hit her, but he did in anger....IN ANGER...listen to his voice. They are all angry, then accuse us of being angry. I have a great time out there each week, but have been accused of being angry...no just defending my country from those who betray it.
deeberk25 3 years ago
Obivously, I wasn't, which is why I'm relying on the videos to tell the true story. I don't see him approach her; from what I can tell from both videos, she was moving toward him before it happened. Yes, he was angry... Calling any vet a traitor will likely provoke that reaction in them, as well it should. No excuse for the actions he took, but also no surprise that anger was the response to your words (& hers, I suspect, though I cannot make out what she was saying...)
repsac3 3 years ago
I finally got it... Skye was crying "censorship," perhaps because of the person who was blocking her camera shot of Dee with the sign...
The more I see of these two videos, the more I wish the raw footage of this one (or another, if there are any) showed the remainder of this altercation. John overreacted regardless, but I still think it very well might've been because Skye got too close, perhaps to get her shot back...
"Is this censorship, yet again?"
repsac3 3 years ago
The guy's a vet who opposes a war, not a flower child opposing all violence under all circumstances. While you folks seem flummoxed that a person opposing the Iraq occupation might fight back when verbally attacked, I'm not the least bit surprised... I don't condone it--in fact, I think he responded poorly, even if he was just brushing the camera aside--but I'm not surprised by it, either... Whatever the stereotype, we ain't all followers of Ghandi & MLK as concerns non-violence.
repsac3 3 years ago
yo repsac3,
wrong answers weak sister.
The VFP traitors/deserters, along with Sen John Heinz Kerry, did the same crap during the vietnam war. They betrayed their country then & now.
Hitting a woman under almost any circumstance is intolerable, the least of which for pointing a camera in someones direction.
kevlarhed
kevlarhed 3 years ago
I am a female vet, my ex husband is an iraq vet and a great man. My father a member of the W.C. peace group is a vietneam vet, His father a WW2 vet. That woman is an abomination. Those who have never seen combat should never utter the words traitor to a war vet. The pro war side should do some serious weeding in their ranks. Some being vets themselves, if they are not horrified by this woman then they are traitors themselves,to there fellow combat soldiers in arms.
1greenmonster 4 years ago
I don't care where you or your family served. If you publicly trash the USA in public, during time of war, you are a friggin traitor & deserter. You help kill our troops in the field and ecourage our radical enemiies. While we are at, go get sized for a Berka!!!
Dee, you are an awesome and patriotic woman. You would have made a good Marine. kevlarhed
kevlarhed 4 years ago
What country are you from? Public dissent is imbeded in our Bill of Rights. It is your attitude expressed so well here that is un-American and anti-American. To repeatedly called a Vietnam Vet who was wounded a traitor because he protests a war is simply wrong.
IBEW654 4 years ago
what a weak-cheese response!! How about adressing the points I made. The constitution does not give you the right to get our soldiers killed by weakening our resovle and helping our enemies. Not these soldiers, not this war, never again!!! Peace thru strength, we will win this war with or without the leftist like you who constantly shit on our Country. kevlarhed
kevlarhed 3 years ago
You can thank George Bush for putting our troops in harms way in an illegal, immoral and unjustifed war in Iraq.
IBEW654 3 years ago
Yawn, get new talking points, or haven't the Kool-aid dispensers given you any new ones lately?
deeberk25 3 years ago
So WHY did your draft-dodging, pot-smoking, womanizing buddy cliton sent troops to countries that NEVER attacked us, like Bosnia and Somalia?
paulgeneral 3 years ago
Just vote Republican and keep your mouth shut. For the good of the party.
minimumgrade 3 years ago
HOW?????? I'm an Independent!
paulgeneral 3 years ago
Kevlarhead:
Victory is not possible in a military occupation like we have in Iraq. The question is, instead, one of how long one chooses to continue the occupation. The British kept theirs going in Iraq for 24 years; given our faltering economy and the extreme cost of the occupation, pressure to end ours can only grow, lest we bankrupt our own nation.
JG
vetagainstwar 3 years ago
But what if he really IS a traitor?
paulgeneral 3 years ago
Opps....you just called a vet (me) a traitor, where is the condemnation from your side? I am a true vet, not one who uses my country and vet status to spread lies and violence. The peacniks should also do some weeding, as all of your people have serious problems holding their tongues. They approach me and comment and I respond. Don't ask if you don't want the truth. Your side cannot get anything real on us so they invent things to smear and discredit us, typical leftards. I agree with Kevlarhed
deeberk25 3 years ago
But what if the asshole who ASSAULTED Skye really IS a traitor?
paulgeneral 3 years ago
Porter's "jack-booted thugs" have finally arrived on the scene, and they are carrying "peace" signs.
xdhimmi 4 years ago
Why does this video edit out the footage of beret-guy TWICE smacking around a young woman? Why does this video edit out the "peacenik" assaulting a policeman? "War is not the answer" but assaulting women and police officers is the answer? Hyprocrits!
xdhimmi 4 years ago
Maybe, it's because there is no footage of skye (aka-tanya) being slapped around not twice, not even once. And maybe there is no video of a policeman being pushed. Maybe there IS video showing clearly and unequivocally that these things did not happen. It is interesting to watch the hysteria, rumors and outright lies that the pro war side is spreading around. It shows how you use rumor & falsehood as fact. You are not concerned about facts related to this incident or facts about the Iraq war.
peaceveteran 4 years ago
peaceveteran, The video on this page is not the only video I have seen.
xdhimmi 4 years ago
And it is not the only video I have seen!
peaceveteran 4 years ago
peaceveteran, The whole tells the story, doesn't it?
xdhimmi 4 years ago
You are absolutely right. This is why I find it so curious, that so many pro war people are promoting this story without knowing "THE WHOLE." If they knew "THE WHOLE" they would not be saying that skye was slapped around or smacked around. The whole truth would show clearly that she wasn't.
peaceveteran 4 years ago
peaceveteran, I'm assuming a neutral court will decide that if charges are pressed.
xdhimmi 4 years ago
That is exactly my point. A neutral court will decide in the end. But, what I see on this site and others is the pro war people intentionally spreading falsehoods before the know the "whole Truth." Skye certainly knows she wasn't "slapped," but yet she does not speak up to stop these rumors. She did release a 44 second video which just showed her camera going dead, and nothing more. Then she quickly removed the video. She is helping to promote these falsehoods.
peaceveteran 4 years ago
peaceveteran, As stated earlier, I've seen other videos. They "show" more than video. There is the natural audio. But again, the issue of the arrest is not about competing claims on either movement side. The arrest was for assaulting a police officer who was called to the scene to restore order. Let's concentrate on that. Do you think assaulting a police officer is justified in this particular event?
xdhimmi 3 years ago
It is not appropriate to assault a police officer in this situation. But again you don't seem to understand no specific charges have been filed. But when there is video being shot of the entire scene, that does not support assault of a police officer, I am sure there will be no assault charges filed.
peaceveteran 3 years ago
No police officer was "assaulted" or "pushed" in any way, shape or form in this case. Anything to suggest that is nothing but self-serving hysteria on the part of the pro-war folks. The cops could have been much more professional and more sensitive to the situation; if so, there would have been no arrests. According to the cop himself, the second man was arrested for "raising his voice." As for the editing of raw video, it is simply a matter of standard journalistic story-telling.
JG
vetagainstwar 3 years ago
If no police officer was assaulted or puched, then WHY did dickweed meitz get arrested? For being ugly?????
paulgeneral 3 years ago
I will stress, as I did in other comments, I was there and no police officer was "assaulted." To suggest that is self-serving fiction. With more training in civil affairs policing (after all, this incident is, in essence, about constitutionally protected behavior) the police would have acted more professionally and these arrests would not have happened.
John Grant
vetagainstwar 3 years ago
I guess Skye's constitutional right to not get ASSAULTED buy a gutless, hate-filled, anti-military extremist doesn't count????
paulgeneral 3 years ago
peaceveteran, [1/2]Let's be clear (for the benefit of less-informed readers), the beret-guy (is he John Grant?) was arrested for assaulting a police officer, not for assaulting anyone else -- a police officer! Now, even IF he had been "provoked", as he claims, by Victory Movement members, how does that lead to him assaulting a police officer?
xdhimmi 4 years ago
No the individual is definitely not John Grant. Your friend Dee can confirm that. You are operating under the assumption that the police officer was assaulted. The video evidence does not support that. Specific charges have not even been assigned yet. If the video supported that I could agree with your general premise.
peaceveteran 3 years ago
No, John Grant made this video. He was not arrested.
John Grant
vetagainstwar 3 years ago
peaceveteranm [2/2] The police officer was called to the scene - not "provoking." Hypothetically, if I am provoked by my husband, does that mean I get to assault a police officer called to restore order to the scene? The two issues (animosity between the two movements & the arrest for assaulting a police officer) is convenient for some to blur together, but they are not legitimate cause/effect events.
xdhimmi 4 years ago
xdhimmi, You are operating under the assumption that the police officer was assaulted. The video evidence does not support that. Specific charges have not even been assigned yet. If the video supported that I could agree with your general premise.
peaceveteran 3 years ago
peaceveteran, You are correct. I made that assumption from Porter's words which I've just now re-checked. She says the beret-guy had "conflict" with a police officer, also the 2nd person arrested had "conflict" with a police officer.
BTW, I have written you a private correspondence via YT. Please be sure to read it.
xdhimmi 3 years ago
The word "conflict can mean anything from a war i.e. The Korean Conflict," to an argument with a neighbor. It can mean having two appointments at the same time. "I have a scheduling conflict" We should not jump to conclusion because of a misunderstanding of words. The pro war people are spreading lots of falshoods before they know the facts.
peaceveteran 3 years ago
peaceveteran, I am pleased you separate the two issues: (1) conflict between opposing movements, and (2) conflict between beret-guy & police officer. One is not the cause of the other.
xdhimmi 3 years ago
And I am pleased that you are willing to have a civil, thoughtful and rational discussion. Many of the pro war folk are not willing to do this. I only talk about my personal experience. If we could all tone down the rhetoric, and have more civility, we might just take a big step in understanding each others point of view. I have no delusions of changing anyone's point of view, but I would like to advance the cause of treating each other with more civility.
peaceveteran 3 years ago
JG, How is it possible to have a civil, thoughtful, and rational discussion with you when your video clearly shows you are no more than a propagandist? First, the accompanying music to the video states that the dice were loaded and everyone knows that. Your suggesting that the CCVM and police conspired in the arrest of the two peacniks. As a video journalist I suggest you attempt to portray the truth. SUggestion: how about music that fits what happened. I fought the law and the law won.
williebird1 3 years ago
Williebird:
For my taste, the Cohen song nailed it. To be clear, my video does not suggest "the CCVM and police conspired in the arrest." Life and video imagery are more complex than that. Despite you trying to suggest we do, the fact is, members of VFP and CCPM have no "fight" with the police. What I'd say my video suggests is that, in a politically volatile situation like Saturday's, West Chester cops would benefit from some training in modern civil affairs policing methods.
John Grant
vetagainstwar 3 years ago
JG, your response calls to mind a line from 1984-The governing body has opposing points of view and believes in each. You stated that the VFP and CCPM have no fight with the police, but then say that they need sensitivity training (such a liberal concept). You don't have a fight with the police but then you do have a fight. The police did not cause your buddy to act criminally, as evidenced by Skye's video, he did that on his own. Your teammates should receive the same training, don't you think?
williebird1 3 years ago
Then WHY did dickweed meitz get arrested?
paulgeneral 3 years ago
Because this TRAITOR attacked someone. I notice that the scum peachniks edited THAT out of the video.
justabill61 3 years ago
What prowar people?
paulgeneral 3 years ago
What "pro-war" people are you referring to? Your gutless, hate-filled, ragheaded moslem terrorist buddies?
paulgeneral 3 years ago
It's amazing how you edited your film to conveniently leave off the part where that GUY struck a GIRL, twice. AND when that same guy struck the Police Officer that was trying to ask him what happened. You can edit anything to say and look the way you want. That will NEVER stand up in court.
account32008 4 years ago
The hysteria in this case is over the top. I'll leave the issue of Skye to the courtroom. Fact: No one "struck" a police officer in any way, shape or form. I was there. No one is saying these cops are bad men; but I'm saying their professionalism would benefit greatly from some training in civil affairs policing.
John Grant
vetagainstwar 3 years ago
Your side just cannot stand that people think you are wrong and have twisted thinking. Before you comment you should have your story straight. We all know how John lies...opps, I guess it is called a mistatement nowadays, because the libtards think lie is an unnice word. I think I smell a RINO in the audience here? You are as right-wing as Osama, I mean Obama is.
deeberk25 4 years ago
Dee- you are an embarrassment to conservatives. I'm serious. You make us all look bad. Did you really have to call a vet a traitor? Did that make you feel better?
You act like a angry child who just learned about politics. Your obnoxiousness has me taking the side their side on this! Do you know how that makes me feel?
In all honestly, watching this video, after coming here from Malkin's site, almost broke my heart. Your behavior was absolutely disgusting.
minimumgrade 4 years ago
No more of an embarassment than you are pretending to be a conservative. You don't like what I have to say, don't listen, I have as much right to say what I want as the girls on their side have to call our troops children killers. Quite frankly, my dear, I don't give a hoot how you feel. You should feel bad defending them. Their so-called vets call our troops children killers, where is your outrage about that? He is a traitor and so are you. I am not angry, just disgusted with your kind.
deeberk25 3 years ago
I hate hippies as much as the next guy, and I'm as right-wing as anyone, but these pro-troop activists are complete assholes.
Screaming "traitor" at a vet?!? That's unacceptable. No matter how wrong he is now. The lady was asking for conflict.
Hippies- I actually empathize with you on this one. Never thought I'd say that.
minimumgrade 4 years ago
He shouldn't be a traitor and hide behind his veteran status. What? Does being a vet give him a free pass to engage in bad behavior? I was looking for conflict...look again, moron, obviously he was saying something to me before I conflicted with him. He tried to intimidate me and he can't.
deeberk25 4 years ago
I agree that the left uses the "moral superiority" card all the time. The perfect example is using sick children to pitch the socialist s-chip scheme.
His being a veteran doesn't make him right on this issue, but it does mean you don't call him a traitor.
minimumgrade 4 years ago
They use children to push all their evil agendas. That is what they are expert at.
deeberk25 4 years ago
Sounds like child abuse to me Dee!
paulgeneral 4 years ago
But what if he really IS a traitor?
paulgeneral 4 years ago
minimumgrade:
I never was a "hippy," though I have inhaled. Thanks for your conversion. An attorney friend just defended an 83-year-old woman in NW PA charged with "assault" for kicking a 30-year-old Iraq vet in the pants who screamed in her 85-year-old husband's face that he was a "coward" and a "traitor" for opposing the war. The guy has 4 bronze stars for driving a landing craft under fire onto Japanese held islands. Such behavior is indefensible and intentionally provocative.
John Grant
vetagainstwar 4 years ago
John: I didn't mean you were a hippy, I was using the term in the broad sense. I truly am sorry for what happened to you. Please know that most conservatives don't act like that. At least none of the ones I know. My brother's an Iraq vet and he's against the war. I disagree with him strongly, but if someone called him a traitor...
minimumgrade 4 years ago
minimumgrade,
The hippy remark was a joke. I like to engage with true "conservatives," with whom I share many things, especially the notion of struggling to live within your means and to avoid putting your grandchildren in hock for imperial ambition. My leftist credentials focus on a sense of justice for the little guy and against the bullies of the world; thus, my antipathy for George Bush and some -- not all -- of these pro-war folks in West Chester.
John Grant
vetagainstwar 3 years ago
And the broad got her ass handed to her by the judge!
paulgeneral 4 years ago
But what if the asshole-jerkoff really IS a traitor?
paulgeneral 4 years ago
John Grant, you disgust me, Of course you edited-out your fellow deserter smacking our videographer (a woman) twice. You are a failure, just like winter soldier II.
kevlarhed 4 years ago
Kevlarhead:
You were not there. I was. This episode was a case of clear provocation, something easily preventable, which the CCVM leader said he wanted to do. The fact is, you guys want this kind of thing. Skye was delighted after what happened. The truth will come out in court -- not here.
JG
vetagainstwar 4 years ago
Yes, JG, this was staged, and you had your video on because.....? We want this thing? Who was the one screaming, (and I mean really screaming, not the manufactured screaming I am accused of, as well as using profanity, which I do not do), of telling us to get off your corner? Why is it that you guys come to our corner and nobody threatens you, but we come to your corner and we get threatened? Why is that, JG? Yes, the truth will out, but you guys will find a way to spin it.
deeberk25 4 years ago
Dee, I was referring to an agreement we had with Rich Davis from a meeting on 3/18 he sought with me to, he claimed, avoid things "getting out of hand." We agreed that at 12 Noon you would go get your photo made etc and we would not bother you and we would go to the bank entrance and you would not bother us. Apparently, Rich had no business seeking & making such an agreement, since he clearly can't deliver what he agrees to, apparently in secret from you. THAT is what I was referring to.
JG
vetagainstwar 4 years ago
Let me get this straight, you made a deal with Rich, and because we did not know of such a deal, and we were on YOUR corner, you had the right to yell and scream at the top of your lungs that we were not allowed on your corner? Your side wouldn't interfere with our group picture, that would take courage, something sorely lacking in peacniks. BTW, nothing justifies your tampering with the video to push your cause. We are not the liars and troublemakers, and you know it, JG. Show the real thing.
deeberk25 4 years ago
Dee, You are impossible.
JG
vetagainstwar 4 years ago
No, she's Dee!
paulgeneral 4 years ago
Dee, You state that "Why is it that you guys come to our corner and nobody threatens you..." I have stood next to you on several occasions and you have threatened me and others with physical harm. You do not speak the truth.
IBEW654 4 years ago
And the EVIDENCE of Dee "threatening" you is where???
paulgeneral 4 years ago
Are you crazy? I never would threaten physical violence, that is not my style. Sorry...have me confused with one of your women, which I most definitely am not. On the other hand, your little side kick has called me foul words, and threatened me. If you are talking about that time she told me she would kick my a--, and I laughing told her to come and do it, as I could squash her with one foot. If you notice I said laughingly. I wouldn't lose my job over that nitwit loser. Don't start trouble.
deeberk25 4 years ago
Dee,
You have threatened physical violence. I have heard it as well as others. You have called me a traitor and anti-american on several occasions. Now you have called a vietnam vet a traitor repeatedly. You actions are designed to provoke, provoke, provoke.
IBEW654 4 years ago
Get the evidence of who heard Dee threaten violence and not your leftard sidekick who truly threatens people by saying that she would kick our butts, but she used a cuss word, of course. Put your money where your mouth is.
williebird1 3 years ago
Damn right the REAL truth will come out; and you gutless hate-filled anti-military extremists will have your asses handed to you big time!
paulgeneral 4 years ago
The first casualty in war is the truth. Dee screams at a Vietnam Vet that he is a TRAITOR while Sky takes the video. Is this a provocateur setup or what?
IBEW654 4 years ago
No, the asshole really IS a traitor!
paulgeneral 3 years ago
The first casualty in war is the truth. While Dee screams at a Vietnam Vet that he is a TRAITOR, Sky takes the video. Is this a provocateur setup or what?
IBEW654 4 years ago
How like a leftard...seeing a conspiracy in anything they want to see it in. I do believe that this film was taken by one of yours? I did not scream at that traitor, and you don't know what happened before that because conveniently, John edits what makes his side look like what they are...angry, hateful people. I, too, am a vet and he shouldn't talk to me the way he does, or glare with such hatred.
deeberk25 4 years ago
Another obvious point, this is not Skye's video, so obviously one of the peacniks had a camera rolling, too. He is a traitor. He hurts our troops with his words and deeds. If you don't like the truth, too bad. I can call anybody anything I want, after all, freedom of speech and all that stuff. You are supposed to be ardent supporters of that...oh..that's right, only if you say what the libs want you to say. I am a vet and he said some nasty things to me, but...that isn't taped....what a surprise
deeberk25 4 years ago
Well you can... but it makes you look stupid.
repsac3 4 years ago
Calling a wounded Viet Nam veteran a traitor is one of the most shameful things an American can do. Such insults express rage at a man who is using his moral authority to unravel a myth many base their lives on - the myth that America's wars are noble.
truthcarver 4 years ago
Vets - Thanks for facing the indignities of standing for truth on the front lines - exposing yourself to attacks of Americans who haven't yet learned we have the right and responsibility to criticize policies that undermine our American principles.
Anti-war vets stand strong! We need your strength for peace. Your leadership at this time is heroic.
truthcarver 4 years ago
I believe that unarmed truth and unconditional love will have the final word in reality. That is why right, temporarily defeated, is stronger than evil triumphant. [info][add][mail] Martin Luther King Jr.
truthcarver 4 years ago
Not if the gutless, hate-filled anti-military extremist in question really IS a gutless TRAITOR!!!!
paulgeneral 4 years ago
Like an unchecked cancer, hate corrodes the personality and eats away its vital unity. Hate destroys a man's sense of values and his/her objectivity. It causes him to describe the beautiful as ugly and the ugly as beautiful, and to confuse the true with the false and the false with the true. Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.
truthcarver 4 years ago
Yes, it does, the the CCPM proves what HATRED can do; just look at the gutless HATRED they spew on a weekly basis in West Chester!
paulgeneral 4 years ago
No rage involved, truthcarver, just a lack of respect for a man who hates his country and hides behind the honorable label of vet to avoid criticism.
deeberk25 4 years ago
Dear Dee, I am saddened by your disrespect for a man who sacrificed & gave his blood when he was wounded in Viet Nam. I don't understand how you can think he hates his country. He's using his Constitutionally protected right of free speech to tell us what he learned in the heat of battle. America can handle criticism. That's what makes democracy work.
"We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. When the loyal opposition dies, I think the soul of America dies with it." Edward R. Murrow
truthcarver 4 years ago
That asshole is no man, he's a gutless COWARD! Maybe I'll show up some Saturday so he can assault a REAL Veteran!
paulgeneral 4 years ago
He hates his country because he stands over there spewing vile and vicious lies about our country. Obviously, you don't know your own kind. Don't take a patronizing attitude, it doesn't work. He is a traitor to my country. Just as he has a right to spew his lies, others have a right to call him on it. Isn't that democracy, too...oh no...that's right freedom of speech only works for the leftards, right? They are the only ones who can say what they feel such as our troops kill children.
williebird1 3 years ago
I know that Bill Mahr said (about a month ago) that Barack Hussein Obama's beating of Hillary in the primaries was: "The greatest beating of a woman, since Ike hit Tina Turner." Well, I think the beating of Skye (sp?) has now trumped that one. Hey, why take the high road when you can be funny? I'm just glad I wasn't there on Saturday, because I may have done something stupid...
lb561388 4 years ago
Enough hysteria. Fact: Rich Davis, the leader of the Chester County Victory Movement sought a meeting with me and another VFP member to (his words) "talk about how to keep things from getting out of hand." At his request, we met on 3/18 in a West Chester restaurant where Rich fully agreed to one ground rule: At 12 Noon both groups would withdraw to secure corners un-harassed by anyone from the opposition. If Rich had been good for his word, none of this would have happened.
John Grant VFP
vetagainstwar 4 years ago
Police state? If the peace protester did not harass the police they would not have been arrested...did anybody mention that? Respect the troops, they do not...so why respect the police? They showed their true colors. Radar said he had it on tape that Skye did not get hit....where is that?
williebird1 4 years ago 2
Skye did not deserve to get smacked in the face, nor did the two girls who were pushed off the corner by a peace protester-yes a man- several weeks ago, deserve to be shoved into traffic. These are not very nice people. The accusations in the posts below, of warmongering and police states, are ridiculous. It's a free country- thanks to our troops- which his why we can all be there. Get over it, and try not to cry so loud in your koolaid...
Trishnmac 4 years ago 2
A Blue Star Wife, nonetheless. The Peace movement says they support the troops but then push a Blue Star Wife into oncoming traffic. VERY PEACEFUL!
account32008 4 years ago
The Support the Troops people are NOT pro-war! Many of the Support the troops people are veterans who despise war. The Support the Troops people know war is a necessary evil to protect our freedom and keep the Hitlers of the world from detroying our liberty. The 'peace' group sure seems to be traitors who hate our American way of life, and see Communism as positive. The peace group wants to destroy our democracy. BTW, there is a video of the cowardly traitor punching a girl in the face!
lordbudpa 4 years ago 3
Why didn't this video show the 'peace' protester punching the "Support The Troops" rally preson, who is a girl, in the face? As usual,the 'peace' protesters are in favor of anything that is anti-American, including punching innocent girls in the face! Again, SHAME on the peace group. There is a video that shows the usual cowardice of the peace group. Show it!
lordbudpa 4 years ago
maybe because he didn't punch her in the face. Again, SHAME on you PROWAR people for the constant harassment of our country's veterans.
sarahc05 4 years ago
There were no prowar people there.
paulgeneral 3 years ago
Bless you Vets for Peace, for having courage when our country is losing its mind. Your film clearly shows the insane level of delusion some have reached when a woman supposedly "in support" of the troops calls an honered veteren a "traitor," and is willing, like so many others, to send even more young men and women to their deaths in a mockery of "freedom" and "liberation".
FIVE YEARS OF WAR=
1,000,000 PLUS DEAD IRAQIS
4000 DEAD AMERICANS
$720 MILLION A DAY
victorvitocat 4 years ago
Yes, the gutless, hate-filled anti-military extremosts of the "vets" for "peace" need to be blessed BIG TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
paulgeneral 3 years ago
Mission accomplished. 5 Years of Bush's lies and 4,000 U.S soldiers dead. We have a criminal running our country. Who are the heroes? those who have the courage to stand-up to a criminal administration. Thank you my friends. Do not let the insults from the warmongers touch your souls!
cacoune 4 years ago