the reason for the difference in the camera shots is simple: the 'typical helicopter footage' are close-ups. You guys are video producers so you know what I'm talking about. The footage of WTC was a wide shot, therefore looks steadier.
@SyndicalistTimes We are video producers and we know what we're talking about. We will do what we wish. Closeups and far shots both move, especially from a helicopter. My guess is the footage was "stabilized", chroma keyed, and the planes were added in by someone really good and really fast at great secrecy & expense. It would follow that this talented editor is probably dead.
@SyndicalistTimes No theory is garbage. Theories are ideas brought to light. Theories are easily disproven, or proven, given evidence. Prove there were planes; if it's so obvious.
I would say that overwhelming evidence has proven the no-planers to be disinformants/whackos.
More likely the US state manipulated extremists into carrying out these attacks, and aided them in such ways as standing down NORAD. No-planes, though? That's insane.
I like the fact that some people are saying this video is 'irrational'. This video presents evidence and asks questions, there's no wild accusations or idea that go off on a tangent. Please use phrases you understand, not just things you have heard other people say!
q.1, why is the plane not visible in the live feed.
the plane is obstructed by the buildings. your angles are wrong,
q.2, the orb?yes the orb could be the plane, or it could be a spec of dirt on the helicopter window???
q.3, the high stationary camera as you put it is a much lower angle that you think, you are not seeing the top of the building at all it just looks like that because of what was on the tower and the smokes position is the same in both angles making an identical optical image.
This video presents an extremely interesting and potentially alarming premise. If I hadn't been watching ABC news, and therefore seen the second plane fly in and impact with the south tower, live, I would definitely have significant doubts as to whether a second plane actually existed. Fortunately, however, I was watching a _good_ news station (opinion). Why NBC altered the video to play at half speed, I don't know. Why the background is so different, I don't know.
Why the heck the plane isn't visible in the live feed, I _DEFINITELY_ do not know, and would really like to find out... but I can guaran-da*n-tee that the second plane existed, and definitely hit the south tower precisely when it was said to. As for the rest of the conspiracy... Well, it's one heck of a quandry, isn't it?
Exactly! AND AL-SO...The [magic]helicopter's cam lens was fitted with a special purple filter that bathed the entire scene in a calming, soft violet hue - thus easing the fears and grief of all those who watched the evening news footage. la, la, la
Re: the strangely stationary camera: It seems to be higher even than the very top of the Empire State Building. I'm no expert on military hardware, but I'd guess that observation drones, or even military helicopter-mounted cameras, have far better stabilisation than your average news helicopter camera? So... most likely footage from a drone or a military helicopter...? I've seen plenty of footage from the Iraq war, taken by military drones, with almost perfect image stability. Just a thought.
I think the stationary camera was on the empire state building(probably was already their for use in news broadcasts, If it was in fact a helicopter.It would have to be a very special helicopter one with a very expensive camera like you would find on say a drone or something military. The diff angles contribute to the fireball looking different, but the speed being mollested raises ?'s. Aren't there not other videos of the actual plane flying into the second tower?
Not one new yorker south, east or west of the wtc has come forward as a witness to the absence of a plane. Thousands of people saw the south tower impact with their own eyes from NJ to Brooklyn. You guys seem totally for real and are extremely talented, i find it disturbing that you would promote the work of a sociopathic crack head who has physically assaulted members of We Are Change on a number of occasions. Ever hear of turd in the punchbowl? He shat it, you are dilligently dishing it out.
@educution Ever been downtown New York? Surrounded by buildings, I'm sure many people had a clear view of the entire skyline. What of the live NBC videos that show a blue sky and no plane? Try to answer without insults please; show the world that you have a point, besides the end of your sword!
@dayjoborchestra All my insults are aimed at a specific yet unnamed german chap. Apart from expounding on what i thought were points in my previous spurt i can only add the old one of my best mates saw the second plane from Brooklyn (true) he's described it to me vividly. Regarding the NBC clip, it hurts me to promote an eeevil show, but Hardfire(ugh!) has Ace Baker on with a wise old video expert who explains that one a billion times better than i could.ps:Fucking love the fuck outta your vids
@dayjoborchestra 1. Excellent idiom: "Show the world that you have a point, besides the end of your sword". Have to remember that one :)
2. You're right. Whether or not a plane *also* struck the South Tower, the construction of the Twin Towers was such that nobody but a determined fool would believe they could be brought down by sideways impacts to their UPPER floors. They were professionally demolished. Does nobody think it odd that they collapsed so neatly, neither to right nor left..? *sigh*
There's some pretty sophisticated image stabilization software out there for years, which TV stations would undoubtedly have. The 'pink' video could have come from a zoomed helicopter shot. Still though, the fact that there's no plane in the live footage is very odd indeed. The orb could be a missile launched from many miles away, like the one that hit the Pentagon.
Update to those who talk about the "thousands of eyewitnesses". Where are these people? Do you have a link? The eye witnesses on record come from live reports on the news. Live witness reports say small plane, no plane, cargo plane, missile, large passenger aircraft - no consensus. Those who claim to have seen the plane, if you were on the street in NY looking up you have about 10 degrees of sky & less than a second to ID what hit the towers.
That is odd. My theory would be (for what it's worth) that since the place didn't show up in the original video, the network took the towers from that video and edited it to show the plane. Not because there never WAS a plane, but because they didn't want to show a video on the news where you couldn't see anything. I don't trust the media or the government for one second, and I think there's a lot that's fishy about 9/11... but it's still hard to believe it was an inside job.
@dayjoborchestra It's really hard to tell what I'm seeing, with respect to the roof of the buildings, so I doubt the validity of these "observations."
You have a alot of "would have's" in this analysis.
I too am worried that "the creator of one of the funniest internet phenomena ever" is an irrational nutter.
@ninjanerd8 Tell me, what's wrong with wanting to know the truth? Am I to guess that you're against the truth? And what's your research technique? FOX? Also, what exactly is irrational? Questioning authority? Please try to respond without insulting if you can...
@BrassPie fact remains airhead that there are a lot of unanswered questions and closed minded patriots such as yourself dont understand. I remember seeing the planes hit here in the uk and watching it over and over again i thought to myself that somethings not right, for instance it took bin laden hours to own up for the attacks if he was so proud of what he done he would of owned up sooner plus the fact i saw a vid with no plane. explain that!!!
Aliens from Niburu who are in control of the NWO did it, this was all foretold in ancient Sumerian texts. I know it's true because I read it on the internet.
Computer graphics technology was able to fake explosions like these, too.
Compare the scene of Trinity swinging from the nylon strap in the 1999 movie "The Matrix" (probably made with 1998 tech, and the tech was rapidly evolving during those years!).
Oh, and for those of you who are actually cursing and showing border-line hatred for the guys that posted this video, WOW get a life. If you think they're wrong, just make your point without being so fucking angry.... holy shit.
I thought you guys were just goof's that made funny videos and play rock music, but as it turns out, your also geniuses for picking up on this. It's strange, I didn't notice inconsistency until they had been pointed out to me.
I think you altered the videos, i think you pixelated the video's to hide the plane i seen on the live news hit the tower. The reporter on the live broadcast said "Oh my god... Something hit the other tower, it looked like a large plane", thats from the video that you said showed nothing. Occam's Razor dude, massive cover-up involving thousands or 40 idiots with knives hijacking planes.
What about people that were actually there watching the second plane hit the south tower you ignorant f****! You people make me sick, go lick on michael moore's p****!
@sittin420duck Obviously, the citizens of New York are all in on the conspiracy, too. Or maybe flouride in the water makes them see phantom 747s everywhere. Or maybe they were abducted and had their memories altered. That's obviously the simple explanation. Because if the government did want an excuse to go to war, that's how they'd do it. There's no way they'd just stage a couple of plane hijackings. That's not crazy enough to work. Or whatever.
My two cents on what happened. There was some conspiracy theorist that edited the video, REMOVING the background and the plane, and then posting it as a live broadcast, claiming foul play.
I was talking on the phone to a friend, describing what had happened to the North Tower when I SAW the second plane hit.
I'm all for legitimate conspiracy theories - many may well be true, including some/many (?) about 9/11 - but to waste your time trying to infer that a second plane did not hit the South Tower is an insult to the people who died that day.
This absolutely is an interesting video but it doesn't explain all of the other live footage that's out there. If you watch the YouTube video "Flight 175 As it Happened" it shows multiple live network broadcasts from the moment of impact and the plane is clearly visible in multiple shots. This also doesn't explain all of the other home movies that ordinary people shot of the impact. And what about the thousands of eye witnesses there in Manhattan that saw it with their own eyes.
Notice how in the first 8 seconds of the video the background seems to change very quickly relative to the objects on the foreground. The perspective on the object on the foreground barely changes but the background seems to shift by very quickly. This happens when you zoom in on an object very far away. If you understand this, and you understand that the same effect happens if you move the camera vertically, you also understand why the 'orb' is actually the plane.
The orb is the plane. Videos were shot from different angles, but far away from the wtc. Vertical perpective may appear almost identical, while things going on in the background (plane trajectory and horizon) look totally different. It's really not that hard.
You do bring up some interesting points. However the stable footage can be explained, there are cameras that can show a stable shot mounted from a helicopter. That explains that part, but the scenery, the lack (or invserly the addition) of the plane/orb and play speed do pose questions.
You really don't have any legitimate questions, let alone answers. Just mumbo jumbo and way too much spare time. And you probably believe the Zapruder film was altered as well.
This does raise a few questions. As far as conspiracies goes, one has to be carefull with not letting ones imagination go too wild, but it is 'always' right to question something and do deep investigations.
Oh, by the way: in helicopter footage, there's this stuff called dust, and it attatches itself to the camera pod. This could alter the perception of the image, thus altering the footage as well.
The news media, consists largely of those, who have an aggressive leftist agenda. The fact that the "truth" movement, would largely attack the very system, that would most efficiently get their messsage out, is laughable. Those of us, who have brains, look at this, and almost pee our pant's from laughing at the insanity of it all.
The news media consists largely of those who have an aggressive rightist agenda. The fact that the "truth" movement would largely attack that very system, which is known for its lies and coverups, is a fairly simple concept that unfortunately some people can't seem to grasp. Those of us who have brains look at comments like this and shake our heads in dismay.
While you're changing your pants, you should clean your contacts.
I think there is something alot bigger going on than just what the US Government is letting on....that was no terrorist attack, That was a planned bombing by the US Government...probably as a distraction from something bigger...make it look like an attack
there are plenty of videos and news footage showing moltern metal material coming out of the corner of the south tower. this is beyond dispute. the 911 commission says there was no melted steel. aluminum doesn't glow when poured. forget everything else that day if you can say this is thermite/thermate or even moltern metal you have an inside job right there.
The human condition, in my opinion, well not improve by finding culprits. The human condition will improve when people (1) stop thinking everyone else is "ignorant"; (2) start looking at their own actions instead of blaming others; (3) start trying to take others into consideration before acting.
There is no need to be angry when someone's opinion is different from yours. When you feel angry, perhaps trying to understand would be a better choice.
I'm worried that the creator of one of the funniest internet phenomena ever seems to be a 9/11 'truther' with really bad research technique. Am I to be disappointed DJO?
That's entirely up to you. Do you believe building 7 fell at freefall speed into it's own footprint because of a couple of fires?? If not, then you're a "truther" too. All Thoughtcrime7 is saying is what's written at the beginning of the video. It's a hypothesis that says that footage was altered. I saw plenty of proof of this without even seeing this particular video.
I have plenty of questions, too. Something killed those innocent people and somebody is responsible. There is a definite coverup, but I would need incontrovertible proof the government committed premeditated murder. Yes, I have watched other sources. There needs to be reinvestigation with the Obama administration. I believe we as a public, we need to push for it. Many innocent people died, their families deserve to know the full truth no matter how unpleasant.
There is no need to use vulgar language and be insulting. Ah, but you make work with what "evidence" you can get. Alas, my mind is free and I look for my own answers, thank you. I have indeed explored both sides of this ..particular incident and my judgement is my own. On both sides you have those that can profit. You were proclaming I do not have a free mind? It sounds like your mind is made up and have not explored every possibility. Good Day.
There was an independent documentary being shot from ground level in NY which caught the second plane ramming into the building. To base this all on one video is pretty silly. The notion here is that every video of the event was altered?
that was the first plane that hit on the independent documentary your talking about, not the second. The Nadet brothers filmed it and you can buy it now at your local Barnes and Noble. lol
A lot of helicopters use gyros to stabilize cameras when filming, which would very easily explain why the one video angle was so steady. Just wanted to point that out.
I was on break at work on 9/11, watching tv in the staff lounge. I saw the 2nd explosion as it happened. At the time, my co-workers & I thought a bomber was in the building. We didn't see any plane crash.
I don't know all of what happaned that day, but I do know we've all been lied to by the mainstream media & those that pull the strings.
Amazing, give anyone video editing software and access to idiotic indie music and they instantly become a conspiracy theory phenomenon. Aside from the THOUSANDS of eyewitnesses to the contrary of your beliefs, the same things you try to show to be true can just as easily debunk YOUR video as well. How do I know you haven't simply edited the plane out?
And, as addendum one, how about showing footage from other news organizations, like ABC, CBS, CNN, Fox News, BBC, MSNBC, etc.?
Addendum two: why is it that the NBC icon from the "live" newscast has the Olympic rings under it? The year 2001 was, to my knowledge, neither a winter nor summer Olympic year. And if it was, why was it that the re-report didn't have the rings?
The NBC "Chopper 4" shot hasn't been edited... You can go looking for different "Chopper 4" footage all day and the only two clips you will fine are the one with no plane and all and the one with the orb (i.e. The two in this video)...
Like Dr. Morgan reynolds, 911 taboo, September Clues and many others that 911 was a media job/video fakery is being seen and analysed. I totally agree that no big body boeing jets crashed and destroyed these gigantic towers. The shills (Alex Abraham Jones, DBS and Dylan Avery) refuse to look at the phoney video people were fed on that day.
IMO
As far as who was behind it find out who exactly owns the major media/ hollywood/ Banks and you know who is to blame.
Sorry guys nice try, look at the side of both buildings here on shows a sliver of the sunlite side the other a much wider angle shot. Enough to hide a plane, not unlike the pillars in your car can hide a Motorcycle or even a small car. look at 3:57 you will see a twist in perspective between the two.
ALL "live" feed is showing a tilted WTC. I recorded 911 and ALL 2 hrs of my first tape is like the above: tilted blds. weaving blds. odd colors. realy odd camera angles and cuts.
There are also witnesses who saw: a small plane, no plane (just explosion), plane with no windows, missile. That's from live network TV on 9/11. 14 of the eye witnesses who saw an airliner are network execs. "September Clues" has all these witness clips nicely compiled. There may be real eye witnesses, I don't know, but it is clear that the videos are fake. That's all I'm trying to prove, and it's quite provable.
So, then what? No planes hit? I'm pretty sure no plane hit the pentagon, but I need an answer to believe that nothing hit the towers....
One thing I still don't understand is, why the people who believe that the towers collapsed due to structural failure because of the fire, don't realize the fact that the last tower to get hit by a plane(or whatever) was the first one to collapse.
If the fire weakened the structure to make it fall, surely the tower that was hit first would fall first.....
Yeah, if you're willing to suspend all notions of scientific method to come to a conclusion based off of what a MINORITY of witnesses claimed to be a missile. And even if it were a missile, it would cause far more damage, to the point of collapsing the tower IMMEDIATELY, rather than an hour after being hit. That's the point of something like a cruise or a tomahawk missile, to destroy or collapse targets immediately.
the 1st video is obviously from a lower more distant angle if u no nething about perspective and the fact that u cant see the roof u can only see the top of building
and the way u zoomed in and compared the levels of the antenna and roof made it SEEM like it was the same video but b4 wen it was zoomed out the 2 videos were scaled obviously differently and wen zoomed it the shots from the videos r obviously made 2 look at the same level
Of course they modified the tape. The footage was so crappy that it didn't show the plane so they added it in. What would the tape be worth if it showed nothing?
Fake or not, a lot of people still died =( What difference does it make? Whether it be terrorists or our very own government, many innocent lives were still lost due to our own human hands.
this is a decent video, one issue i noticed is that the stationary camera is not above the towers, it was pointing towards the middle. What you saw that you thought was the roof was just on the upper part of it
and just for reference ;-) Beijing just confirmed that their display of footprint fireworks witnessed by 3 BILLION awed olympic fans worldover, was computer generated.FAKE! Suckers aint we? Maybe they are trying to tell us something?
All the people I know who watched this on TV were quite hysterical when the second hit occurred.I am wondering why the helicopter newscaster is not giving commentary like 'Oh my god, there is a plane heading for the towers', or 'is that another plane flying too close', anything would be expected from live news, but there is absolutely NOTHING being said about a plane approaching the towers. Usually, tv crews consider oral commentary essential, even if its general observations. But this?? please!
.I am wondering why the helicopter newscaster is not giving commentary like 'Oh my god, there is a plane heading for the towers', or 'is that another plane flying too close', anything would be expected from live news, but there is absolutely NOTHING being said about a plane approaching the towers.
your 2nd view, thats not the roof top, its a observation deck. They even say that this angle is from the empire state building. Thats not a orb you can see the wings on it. Slow-mo dose not count as altered.
I have live (not a replay)view thats same as your live view but in mine you can clealy see the plane heading in. Mine than goes to a close up of the towers, you don't see plane hit but in the left corner you see the fireball. NOT A REPLAY_ITS LIVE
Thanks! It's possible AJ just doesn't believe the NPT, rather than acting as a gate keeper. Not that I like being called a Co-intel pro disinfo agent by the traditional truthers! We should be able to agree to disagree. AJ says MIHOP, Ron Paul says Blowback, but both are waking people up to the real issues. In the same way, I may not agree with AJ on news fakery, but I support him for waking up millions of people (incl me) to global tyranny.
There comes a point in these kinds of debates where the sheer number of questions and inconsistencies amount to a reasonable burden of proof and circumstantial concerns that any court in any country would reasonably entertain.
It is at this point that the refusal of high level public officials to respond to these concerns becomes a key aspect of this circumstantial evidence, and itself represents a serious and meaningful aspersion of guilt, complicity and cover-up by those in power.
Unless you 9/11 Truthers come up with some evidence instead of stupid films like: Loose Change Final Cut, Terror Storm, Iraq for Sale, 9/11 Mysteries, Press for Truth, Zeitgeist.
Then you have nothing to show for! Well maybe you people only show how ignorant and thoughtless you are when you can't even look up the real facts yourselves. Let me guess, you let other people do it for you with lame ass videos to make false accusations against the Government? Talk about being lazy SOB's!
If you like evidence so much why don't you provide some? Or counter some? Instead of using insults like: "thoughtless, lazy, SOB, lame-ass, retard, simpleton". Great way to win people over. If you're just here to insult, you will be blocked - last chance.
"youknow you can say what you like but if you havent noticed the evidence is just mounting up, maybe a quote from GWB would be apt here....perhaps for the first time!!! "You are either with us or against us" I never thought thought I would quote that guy!!!!"
Mounting evidence? Yeah right! "Mounting evidence" from retards who don't know what common sense is let alone physical evidence to help bring any shred of hope that the Government was involved in 9/11.
WhyAskQuestions - your name says it all. If you haven't found any evidence that 9/11 was an inside job, you haven't looked very hard. Watch Loose Change Final Cut, Terror Storm, Iraq for Sale, 9/11 Mysteries, Press for Truth, Zeitgeist. Read David Ray Griffin. Visit Pilots for 9/11 Truth, Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, Scholars for 9/11 truth, Infowars. Then maybe you'll be able to make a specific argument instead of generalizing about "simpletons".
"Then maybe you'll be able to make a specific argument instead of generalizing about "simpletons"." I'm making an argument that you retards have no evidence to say it was an "inside job". You got any type of evidence? Like a document with the presidentual seal and Bush's name signed on it claiming him and the Government was involved? Sorry but Osama Bin Laden already made it clear in 2001 that he was responsible for the 9/11 attacks.
What, you aren't familiar with the infamous Singing of the Titanic conspiracy? Lots of people believe the Titanic housed the remains and spirits of long-dead opera singers. But the government is trying to cover up this fact! Don't let the truth die!
"What, you aren't familiar with the infamous Singing of the Titanic conspiracy?"
One little typo and you ingrates take it for granted. That's why you idiots can't make a single claim stick about 9/11 cause there's no evidence on your behalf.
you pathetic fool.....have you had your eyes closed through out this vid???? or maybe fool is the wrong word....agent maybe? either way pathetic is spot on....they will get you and bring you to justice and watch you swing like you did to sadam......
You know this may sound wild but there is a theory that the titanic was sunk on purpose due to the people on board being competitors of the rockafellas...
youknow you can say what you like but if you havent noticed the evidence is just mounting up, maybe a quote from GWB would be apt here....perhaps for the first time!!! "You are either with us or against us" I never thought thought I would quote that guy!!!!
"To ignore the obvious news video anomalies for fear of being associated with the "no-planers" crowd makes as much sense as ignoring the 9/11 coverup for fear of upsetting the establishment."
BlackRabbit2264. Here is a link. The images on these are far more shaky & used as an extreme test example. Even so, if you zoom into & re-frame the stabilised images on the right, you will have full, still images.
By the way, a helicopter in stationary flight facing a still target like the WTC would have very little movement to stabilise later & require little if any zoom.
If you question this debunking evidence, then you seriously need to ask yourself why?
True. "arrogant complainers" is definately a better fit. I figure if they're smart enough to form a sentence, but too dumb to make a good argument, we could probably call them shills as well.
pinkundaztood: You want to elaborate on that? You know, with sources and other materials that exhibit what you're saying.
I'm indecisive about 9/11.. simply because I don't give a shit. So I'm not looking for an argument. Just a bit of transparency. We are all human, and deserving of it.
pinkundazwear. Hmm. Stabilizer technology, hmm... If I remember correctly the video would still show minor jerks and even with a frame zoom the picture would skip ocassionally. HOWEVER, should this still be true, you've answered one question, which still doesn't answer the other legitimate questions nor "debunk" them. Hear's a question for you, the Pentagon, if all else were to fail the plane that hit the Pentagon would still remain a mystery. Just look into that one.
ThoughtCrime7. Is it your will to remove free speech & discussion from every channel? I thought it was just the main edited BS truther channels that have worked that into a new art form. Are you not open to debate, or do you prefer to silence anyone who disagrees with you? You are welcome to discuss whatever you like on opposing channels. Your views will not be removed. Who is it exactly who wants to cover up the facts here? It's certainly not me.
I knew it, NBC erased the world for a second. I knew they could do that...
Oh and the orb, I knew it was an orb not a plane, What are the chances that an orb and a plane happen to slam into a building at the same time? Very Great it happens all the time. BTW what's an orb?
One shot is a helicopter shot from higher in the sky looking down, the horizon is therefore visible making it difficult to see the incoming plane. The other shot is from lower in the sky, no horizon in view, easier to see the plane. Why is that so hard to understand?
So you're basically saying that every person there that day that SAW WITH THEIR OWN EYES the second plane hit the tower was in on the "conspiracy" somehow because of a videotape. And BTW, I can see the plane on the live footage. Its not clear, but its there.
Did you see the people with your own eyes - the ones who saw the South Tower strike with their own eyes? There are witnesses who reported no plane, small plane, big, plane, plane with no windows, missile, etc. Show me a big list of plane eyewitnesses and I'll believe it.
I think in the larger scheme of things most would agree that I'm not the one who looks like an idiot. We leave that honor to you. You aren't aware of this, though. It's one of the drawbacks of actually BEING an idiot.
Your conclusions don't match your hypothesis you should change your hypothesis, or alter your conclusions. I'd say this is more about the legitimacy of the video. They probably spruced it up for the evening news: slowed it down, stabilised the image, put a clearer plane shot in. This doesn't mean the event didn't happen or that the 'real' events were hidden more that the footage was embelished. There are other videos from other angles out there - especially of the second plane hitting.
So you think most people would accept that the news was "spruced up"? With no mention of the news network's artistry? While most belived it to be a genuine replay? You're ok with all that?
No I don't think that is acceptable but the hypothesis implies that the video is clear evidence that it was not a plane that crashed into the second tower. The text in the video should be changed to - the media should have shown the original footage. Or acknowledge that the footage had been changed/enhanced/spruced/edited.
I mention that the motives are not part of the video's scope. NPT is one motive to roll fake news, disguising modified aircraft is another, concealing other aircraft in the area, etc, but I have not made any of these conjectures. I stick to what I can prove - video annomalies. I have video tapes of the news and there are annomalies. And not just on NBC, watch "September Clues" and "9/11 Amateur" for much more detail on all the live coverage.
believe me when i say that when you disbeleiving idiots lose family or are the victims of another false flag terror op i am not going to bat an eyelid or lose sleep the world will be a better place with all the sheep gone. i am going to stand up with or without you imbeciles. or is it u wont have to worry about that because you work for the dark side. i hope you get whats coming and then some. brilliant video by the way if they cant see things aint what they should be they never ever will fools.
Good questions but this vid is about fake news. Loose Change Final Cut has some good info on the planes and passengers. Also check out David Ray Griffin.
the reason for the difference in the camera shots is simple: the 'typical helicopter footage' are close-ups. You guys are video producers so you know what I'm talking about. The footage of WTC was a wide shot, therefore looks steadier.
Stick to making comedy vids guys :)
SyndicalistTimes 1 week ago
@SyndicalistTimes We are video producers and we know what we're talking about. We will do what we wish. Closeups and far shots both move, especially from a helicopter. My guess is the footage was "stabilized", chroma keyed, and the planes were added in by someone really good and really fast at great secrecy & expense. It would follow that this talented editor is probably dead.
dayjoborchestra 1 week ago
@dayjoborchestra
mate, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if 9/11 was an inside job, but the no-plane theory is garbage.
SyndicalistTimes 6 days ago
@SyndicalistTimes No theory is garbage. Theories are ideas brought to light. Theories are easily disproven, or proven, given evidence. Prove there were planes; if it's so obvious.
dayjoborchestra 5 days ago
@dayjoborchestra
I would say that overwhelming evidence has proven the no-planers to be disinformants/whackos.
More likely the US state manipulated extremists into carrying out these attacks, and aided them in such ways as standing down NORAD. No-planes, though? That's insane.
SyndicalistTimes 4 days ago
could the plane be the same color as the blue background, and they altered the background to increase visability?
shizumaoo 2 months ago in playlist Best of DJO
@shizumaoo Oh!
Oh wait! when you zoom in on the video 1 at around 9:00, you can make out the plane as a miragey distortion.
It's gotta be an optical illusion. :0
shizumaoo 2 months ago in playlist Best of DJO
I like the fact that some people are saying this video is 'irrational'. This video presents evidence and asks questions, there's no wild accusations or idea that go off on a tangent. Please use phrases you understand, not just things you have heard other people say!
DOBBSA87 6 months ago in playlist Best of DJO
q.1, why is the plane not visible in the live feed.
the plane is obstructed by the buildings. your angles are wrong,
q.2, the orb?yes the orb could be the plane, or it could be a spec of dirt on the helicopter window???
q.3, the high stationary camera as you put it is a much lower angle that you think, you are not seeing the top of the building at all it just looks like that because of what was on the tower and the smokes position is the same in both angles making an identical optical image.
kieron698 8 months ago
This video presents an extremely interesting and potentially alarming premise. If I hadn't been watching ABC news, and therefore seen the second plane fly in and impact with the south tower, live, I would definitely have significant doubts as to whether a second plane actually existed. Fortunately, however, I was watching a _good_ news station (opinion). Why NBC altered the video to play at half speed, I don't know. Why the background is so different, I don't know.
woundedphoenix77 9 months ago
Why the heck the plane isn't visible in the live feed, I _DEFINITELY_ do not know, and would really like to find out... but I can guaran-da*n-tee that the second plane existed, and definitely hit the south tower precisely when it was said to. As for the rest of the conspiracy... Well, it's one heck of a quandry, isn't it?
woundedphoenix77 9 months ago
Exactly! AND AL-SO...The [magic]helicopter's cam lens was fitted with a special purple filter that bathed the entire scene in a calming, soft violet hue - thus easing the fears and grief of all those who watched the evening news footage. la, la, la
Excellent video! Thanks
fischerpilne 10 months ago
Re: the strangely stationary camera: It seems to be higher even than the very top of the Empire State Building. I'm no expert on military hardware, but I'd guess that observation drones, or even military helicopter-mounted cameras, have far better stabilisation than your average news helicopter camera? So... most likely footage from a drone or a military helicopter...? I've seen plenty of footage from the Iraq war, taken by military drones, with almost perfect image stability. Just a thought.
NellJSmith 10 months ago
youtube.com/watch?v=J0Qu6eyyr4c&feature=related
MindFury 11 months ago
I think the stationary camera was on the empire state building(probably was already their for use in news broadcasts, If it was in fact a helicopter.It would have to be a very special helicopter one with a very expensive camera like you would find on say a drone or something military. The diff angles contribute to the fireball looking different, but the speed being mollested raises ?'s. Aren't there not other videos of the actual plane flying into the second tower?
MindFury 11 months ago
Not one new yorker south, east or west of the wtc has come forward as a witness to the absence of a plane. Thousands of people saw the south tower impact with their own eyes from NJ to Brooklyn. You guys seem totally for real and are extremely talented, i find it disturbing that you would promote the work of a sociopathic crack head who has physically assaulted members of We Are Change on a number of occasions. Ever hear of turd in the punchbowl? He shat it, you are dilligently dishing it out.
educution 1 year ago 2
@educution Ever been downtown New York? Surrounded by buildings, I'm sure many people had a clear view of the entire skyline. What of the live NBC videos that show a blue sky and no plane? Try to answer without insults please; show the world that you have a point, besides the end of your sword!
dayjoborchestra 1 year ago
@dayjoborchestra All my insults are aimed at a specific yet unnamed german chap. Apart from expounding on what i thought were points in my previous spurt i can only add the old one of my best mates saw the second plane from Brooklyn (true) he's described it to me vividly. Regarding the NBC clip, it hurts me to promote an eeevil show, but Hardfire(ugh!) has Ace Baker on with a wise old video expert who explains that one a billion times better than i could.ps:Fucking love the fuck outta your vids
educution 1 year ago
@dayjoborchestra 1. Excellent idiom: "Show the world that you have a point, besides the end of your sword". Have to remember that one :)
2. You're right. Whether or not a plane *also* struck the South Tower, the construction of the Twin Towers was such that nobody but a determined fool would believe they could be brought down by sideways impacts to their UPPER floors. They were professionally demolished. Does nobody think it odd that they collapsed so neatly, neither to right nor left..? *sigh*
NellJSmith 10 months ago
There's some pretty sophisticated image stabilization software out there for years, which TV stations would undoubtedly have. The 'pink' video could have come from a zoomed helicopter shot. Still though, the fact that there's no plane in the live footage is very odd indeed. The orb could be a missile launched from many miles away, like the one that hit the Pentagon.
TheAmazingRandi 1 year ago
Why would the video have to be taken from the observation posts on the ESB, rather than say a surveillance camera near the very top?
drdirs 1 year ago
Update to those who talk about the "thousands of eyewitnesses". Where are these people? Do you have a link? The eye witnesses on record come from live reports on the news. Live witness reports say small plane, no plane, cargo plane, missile, large passenger aircraft - no consensus. Those who claim to have seen the plane, if you were on the street in NY looking up you have about 10 degrees of sky & less than a second to ID what hit the towers.
ThoughtCrime7 1 year ago
That is odd. My theory would be (for what it's worth) that since the place didn't show up in the original video, the network took the towers from that video and edited it to show the plane. Not because there never WAS a plane, but because they didn't want to show a video on the news where you couldn't see anything. I don't trust the media or the government for one second, and I think there's a lot that's fishy about 9/11... but it's still hard to believe it was an inside job.
darthwinst 1 year ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
One little problem with your theory Buttwipe:
Millions of people all over the world watched it live.
I was on my weekend so I can say without fuckheads like you contradicting me to say that the only Conspiracy was those of the Taliban.
I saw the second plane hit the building.
I saw both towers fall.
There was no detonations of explosives or any other kind from hidden explosives or any other self-delusional nonsense.
Go fuck yourself.
BrassPie 1 year ago
@BrassPie You're insulting, not addressing the facts, and make no sense. Goodbye.
dayjoborchestra 1 year ago 2
@dayjoborchestra It's really hard to tell what I'm seeing, with respect to the roof of the buildings, so I doubt the validity of these "observations."
You have a alot of "would have's" in this analysis.
I too am worried that "the creator of one of the funniest internet phenomena ever" is an irrational nutter.
ninjanerd8 1 year ago
@ninjanerd8 Tell me, what's wrong with wanting to know the truth? Am I to guess that you're against the truth? And what's your research technique? FOX? Also, what exactly is irrational? Questioning authority? Please try to respond without insulting if you can...
dayjoborchestra 1 year ago
@BrassPie fact remains airhead that there are a lot of unanswered questions and closed minded patriots such as yourself dont understand. I remember seeing the planes hit here in the uk and watching it over and over again i thought to myself that somethings not right, for instance it took bin laden hours to own up for the attacks if he was so proud of what he done he would of owned up sooner plus the fact i saw a vid with no plane. explain that!!!
Wharding85 1 year ago
Aliens from Niburu who are in control of the NWO did it, this was all foretold in ancient Sumerian texts. I know it's true because I read it on the internet.
usernamear15 1 year ago
Computer graphics technology was able to fake explosions like these, too.
Compare the scene of Trinity swinging from the nylon strap in the 1999 movie "The Matrix" (probably made with 1998 tech, and the tech was rapidly evolving during those years!).
IWannabeJew 1 year ago
Oh, and for those of you who are actually cursing and showing border-line hatred for the guys that posted this video, WOW get a life. If you think they're wrong, just make your point without being so fucking angry.... holy shit.
NathanSifu 1 year ago
I thought you guys were just goof's that made funny videos and play rock music, but as it turns out, your also geniuses for picking up on this. It's strange, I didn't notice inconsistency until they had been pointed out to me.
NathanSifu 1 year ago
I think you altered the videos, i think you pixelated the video's to hide the plane i seen on the live news hit the tower. The reporter on the live broadcast said "Oh my god... Something hit the other tower, it looked like a large plane", thats from the video that you said showed nothing. Occam's Razor dude, massive cover-up involving thousands or 40 idiots with knives hijacking planes.
ZeroRyoko 1 year ago
Hey Idiot!
What about people that were actually there watching the second plane hit the south tower you ignorant f****! You people make me sick, go lick on michael moore's p****!
sittin420duck 1 year ago
@sittin420duck Obviously, the citizens of New York are all in on the conspiracy, too. Or maybe flouride in the water makes them see phantom 747s everywhere. Or maybe they were abducted and had their memories altered. That's obviously the simple explanation. Because if the government did want an excuse to go to war, that's how they'd do it. There's no way they'd just stage a couple of plane hijackings. That's not crazy enough to work. Or whatever.
drdirs 1 year ago
My two cents on what happened. There was some conspiracy theorist that edited the video, REMOVING the background and the plane, and then posting it as a live broadcast, claiming foul play.
GaseousAnomaly001 1 year ago
How much time did you waste producing this?
I was talking on the phone to a friend, describing what had happened to the North Tower when I SAW the second plane hit.
I'm all for legitimate conspiracy theories - many may well be true, including some/many (?) about 9/11 - but to waste your time trying to infer that a second plane did not hit the South Tower is an insult to the people who died that day.
KittensGotTalent 1 year ago
This absolutely is an interesting video but it doesn't explain all of the other live footage that's out there. If you watch the YouTube video "Flight 175 As it Happened" it shows multiple live network broadcasts from the moment of impact and the plane is clearly visible in multiple shots. This also doesn't explain all of the other home movies that ordinary people shot of the impact. And what about the thousands of eye witnesses there in Manhattan that saw it with their own eyes.
RadDugan 2 years ago
watch?v=0d9IMeGA7bs
Notice how in the first 8 seconds of the video the background seems to change very quickly relative to the objects on the foreground. The perspective on the object on the foreground barely changes but the background seems to shift by very quickly. This happens when you zoom in on an object very far away. If you understand this, and you understand that the same effect happens if you move the camera vertically, you also understand why the 'orb' is actually the plane.
jnoort 2 years ago
The orb is the plane. Videos were shot from different angles, but far away from the wtc. Vertical perpective may appear almost identical, while things going on in the background (plane trajectory and horizon) look totally different. It's really not that hard.
jnoort 2 years ago 2
Obama did it.
It's all he's done.
BrickhouseB2 2 years ago
You do bring up some interesting points. However the stable footage can be explained, there are cameras that can show a stable shot mounted from a helicopter. That explains that part, but the scenery, the lack (or invserly the addition) of the plane/orb and play speed do pose questions.
swthair 2 years ago 2
You really don't have any legitimate questions, let alone answers. Just mumbo jumbo and way too much spare time. And you probably believe the Zapruder film was altered as well.
brainnumber2 2 years ago
this whole arugement is based on cameras and how they don't match
TMJ112389 2 years ago
I have defeated so many debunkers...none can stand up to the evidence of the truth!!
avoozl07 2 years ago
This does raise a few questions. As far as conspiracies goes, one has to be carefull with not letting ones imagination go too wild, but it is 'always' right to question something and do deep investigations.
Andreazor 2 years ago 8
nice vid... to the point
so..can we have answers
smoketweed09 2 years ago 3
Oh, by the way: in helicopter footage, there's this stuff called dust, and it attatches itself to the camera pod. This could alter the perception of the image, thus altering the footage as well.
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
That plane in the video was a piece of dust. I totally agree...
=P
tangentabacus2000 2 years ago
Kinda like how the mountains in the distance can obscure the shadows of near objects, enabling then to appear as if they were on the moon?
Why don't you come back to Earth, your supper is getting cold.
TheReaverOfDarkness 2 years ago
The news media, consists largely of those, who have an aggressive leftist agenda. The fact that the "truth" movement, would largely attack the very system, that would most efficiently get their messsage out, is laughable. Those of us, who have brains, look at this, and almost pee our pant's from laughing at the insanity of it all.
GGcaptmandrake 2 years ago
The news media consists largely of those who have an aggressive rightist agenda. The fact that the "truth" movement would largely attack that very system, which is known for its lies and coverups, is a fairly simple concept that unfortunately some people can't seem to grasp. Those of us who have brains look at comments like this and shake our heads in dismay.
While you're changing your pants, you should clean your contacts.
TheReaverOfDarkness 2 years ago
Hahaha! Is American news channels aggressive leftists?! Hahahaha!
Andreazor 2 years ago
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wenaolong 2 years ago
interesting. thanks
weezul 2 years ago 2
I think there is something alot bigger going on than just what the US Government is letting on....that was no terrorist attack, That was a planned bombing by the US Government...probably as a distraction from something bigger...make it look like an attack
WJFuntingworthIII 2 years ago 2
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wenaolong 2 years ago
sure thing blind slaveman
WJFuntingworthIII 2 years ago
there are plenty of videos and news footage showing moltern metal material coming out of the corner of the south tower. this is beyond dispute. the 911 commission says there was no melted steel. aluminum doesn't glow when poured. forget everything else that day if you can say this is thermite/thermate or even moltern metal you have an inside job right there.
808hawk 2 years ago
I really don't care who committed 9/11 - we will probably never know all the people in involved.
What I do care about is the response which the US and the world has taken to it - it is all we can control now.
I don't think that what we've done has improved the human condition at all. In fact its probably gotten worse.
So give up the quest because that's done. All we can do now is try to become better people--or kill each other.
DerangedRanger1 2 years ago
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wenaolong 2 years ago
Wow, name calling? Ad hominem?
The human condition, in my opinion, well not improve by finding culprits. The human condition will improve when people (1) stop thinking everyone else is "ignorant"; (2) start looking at their own actions instead of blaming others; (3) start trying to take others into consideration before acting.
There is no need to be angry when someone's opinion is different from yours. When you feel angry, perhaps trying to understand would be a better choice.
DerangedRanger1 2 years ago 2
A wise word of advice, indeed.
silentsoliloquy82 2 years ago
I'm worried that the creator of one of the funniest internet phenomena ever seems to be a 9/11 'truther' with really bad research technique. Am I to be disappointed DJO?
ammonjerro47 2 years ago 2
That's entirely up to you. Do you believe building 7 fell at freefall speed into it's own footprint because of a couple of fires?? If not, then you're a "truther" too. All Thoughtcrime7 is saying is what's written at the beginning of the video. It's a hypothesis that says that footage was altered. I saw plenty of proof of this without even seeing this particular video.
dayjoborchestra 2 years ago
If there is a coverup Iam sure they are glad that everyone is wasting there time on stupid theroies
atom2009 2 years ago
I have plenty of questions, too. Something killed those innocent people and somebody is responsible. There is a definite coverup, but I would need incontrovertible proof the government committed premeditated murder. Yes, I have watched other sources. There needs to be reinvestigation with the Obama administration. I believe we as a public, we need to push for it. Many innocent people died, their families deserve to know the full truth no matter how unpleasant.
silentsoliloquy82 2 years ago
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wenaolong 2 years ago
There is no need to use vulgar language and be insulting. Ah, but you make work with what "evidence" you can get. Alas, my mind is free and I look for my own answers, thank you. I have indeed explored both sides of this ..particular incident and my judgement is my own. On both sides you have those that can profit. You were proclaming I do not have a free mind? It sounds like your mind is made up and have not explored every possibility. Good Day.
silentsoliloquy82 2 years ago 3
Tell 'em, sister!!
dayjoborchestra 2 years ago
LOL....
*proclaiming
silentsoliloquy82 2 years ago
Good post, DJO. Thanks. I don't have those answers either. But I bet I know who does...
nameofthepen 3 years ago 2
There was an independent documentary being shot from ground level in NY which caught the second plane ramming into the building. To base this all on one video is pretty silly. The notion here is that every video of the event was altered?
DanS24106 3 years ago
I don't have a notion. Just questions. Like why is there no plane in the live NBC shot?
ThoughtCrime7 3 years ago
that was the first plane that hit on the independent documentary your talking about, not the second. The Nadet brothers filmed it and you can buy it now at your local Barnes and Noble. lol
LightsOutNukeWinter 3 years ago
A lot of helicopters use gyros to stabilize cameras when filming, which would very easily explain why the one video angle was so steady. Just wanted to point that out.
xsmashxhousex 3 years ago
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Exelent video!!!
brankozpmf 3 years ago 3
Serbia rocks!
ThoughtCrime7 3 years ago
Ti mora da se salis! :|
GunmanProductionsTV 3 years ago
forget the fireball...the SMOKE is clearly moving much slower in video 1 until the playback speed is doubled
kranktank 3 years ago 2
I was on break at work on 9/11, watching tv in the staff lounge. I saw the 2nd explosion as it happened. At the time, my co-workers & I thought a bomber was in the building. We didn't see any plane crash.
I don't know all of what happaned that day, but I do know we've all been lied to by the mainstream media & those that pull the strings.
cyric1313 3 years ago 5
Amazing, give anyone video editing software and access to idiotic indie music and they instantly become a conspiracy theory phenomenon. Aside from the THOUSANDS of eyewitnesses to the contrary of your beliefs, the same things you try to show to be true can just as easily debunk YOUR video as well. How do I know you haven't simply edited the plane out?
youngrevolutionary2 3 years ago
And, as addendum one, how about showing footage from other news organizations, like ABC, CBS, CNN, Fox News, BBC, MSNBC, etc.?
Addendum two: why is it that the NBC icon from the "live" newscast has the Olympic rings under it? The year 2001 was, to my knowledge, neither a winter nor summer Olympic year. And if it was, why was it that the re-report didn't have the rings?
youngrevolutionary2 3 years ago
youngrevolutionary2:
If you want footage from the other stations, you should look up Simon Shack's "September Clues" "911 Amatuer" and "Outfoxed"...
SirBroadsword 3 years ago
youngrevolutionary2:
The NBC "Chopper 4" shot hasn't been edited... You can go looking for different "Chopper 4" footage all day and the only two clips you will fine are the one with no plane and all and the one with the orb (i.e. The two in this video)...
SirBroadsword 3 years ago
Great Job dayjoborchestra
Like Dr. Morgan reynolds, 911 taboo, September Clues and many others that 911 was a media job/video fakery is being seen and analysed. I totally agree that no big body boeing jets crashed and destroyed these gigantic towers. The shills (Alex Abraham Jones, DBS and Dylan Avery) refuse to look at the phoney video people were fed on that day.
IMO
As far as who was behind it find out who exactly owns the major media/ hollywood/ Banks and you know who is to blame.
foxxx2001 3 years ago
Sorry guys nice try, look at the side of both buildings here on shows a sliver of the sunlite side the other a much wider angle shot. Enough to hide a plane, not unlike the pillars in your car can hide a Motorcycle or even a small car. look at 3:57 you will see a twist in perspective between the two.
DestroyerRO 3 years ago
ALL "live" feed is showing a tilted WTC. I recorded 911 and ALL 2 hrs of my first tape is like the above: tilted blds. weaving blds. odd colors. realy odd camera angles and cuts.
hypnotstcollector 3 years ago
Hey !!! That's the best video i ever seen !!!
DAY JOB ORCHESTRA Can you tell me the name of the musics in this video ??? i need them !!!
...They're wonderful !!!
Congratulation again 4 the video and 4 the sound !!!
Danychampion 3 years ago
maybe you pfoto shopped out the plane in video 1, and why do you cut off the voice of the reporter? what else does she say?
LazyHippi 3 years ago
if you have time to comment, you have time to check the sources.
dayjoborchestra 3 years ago
thousands of people saw the planes hit the towers in person
LazyHippi 3 years ago
There are also witnesses who saw: a small plane, no plane (just explosion), plane with no windows, missile. That's from live network TV on 9/11. 14 of the eye witnesses who saw an airliner are network execs. "September Clues" has all these witness clips nicely compiled. There may be real eye witnesses, I don't know, but it is clear that the videos are fake. That's all I'm trying to prove, and it's quite provable.
ThoughtCrime7 3 years ago
So, then what? No planes hit? I'm pretty sure no plane hit the pentagon, but I need an answer to believe that nothing hit the towers....
One thing I still don't understand is, why the people who believe that the towers collapsed due to structural failure because of the fire, don't realize the fact that the last tower to get hit by a plane(or whatever) was the first one to collapse.
If the fire weakened the structure to make it fall, surely the tower that was hit first would fall first.....
mocthezuma 3 years ago
Damn good point!
GordonMorrice 3 years ago
Yeah, if you're willing to suspend all notions of scientific method to come to a conclusion based off of what a MINORITY of witnesses claimed to be a missile. And even if it were a missile, it would cause far more damage, to the point of collapsing the tower IMMEDIATELY, rather than an hour after being hit. That's the point of something like a cruise or a tomahawk missile, to destroy or collapse targets immediately.
youngrevolutionary2 3 years ago
youngrevolutionary2:
Well, that's just wrong, Slobodan Milošević's residence didn't collapse after having a missile hit it...
SirBroadsword 3 years ago
i have 2 problems
and u actually pointed this out urself
the 1st video is obviously from a lower more distant angle if u no nething about perspective and the fact that u cant see the roof u can only see the top of building
and the way u zoomed in and compared the levels of the antenna and roof made it SEEM like it was the same video but b4 wen it was zoomed out the 2 videos were scaled obviously differently and wen zoomed it the shots from the videos r obviously made 2 look at the same level
SparkynotSpanky 3 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
People who believe this shit are fucking stupid.
ebatton 3 years ago
Care to specify what you disagree with? Or are you too braindead to think for yourself?
mocthezuma 3 years ago
Of course they modified the tape. The footage was so crappy that it didn't show the plane so they added it in. What would the tape be worth if it showed nothing?
ebatton 3 years ago
A materpiece.U Tube has censored the other parallel video.
machfron 3 years ago 3
Fake or not, a lot of people still died =( What difference does it make? Whether it be terrorists or our very own government, many innocent lives were still lost due to our own human hands.
blooperzine 3 years ago
There's a significant difference.
You say that a lot of people died in this attack.
Not a lot compared to the people who have died in Afghanistan and Iraq in the two wars that followed this event.
If your very own government did this, then they sent your kids to die in two fake wars.
I can't believe that anybody would allow that to happen.
mocthezuma 3 years ago
this is a decent video, one issue i noticed is that the stationary camera is not above the towers, it was pointing towards the middle. What you saw that you thought was the roof was just on the upper part of it
AICorp 3 years ago
9-11 is the day i stopped believing government.
manager1101 3 years ago 2
and just for reference ;-) Beijing just confirmed that their display of footprint fireworks witnessed by 3 BILLION awed olympic fans worldover, was computer generated.FAKE! Suckers aint we? Maybe they are trying to tell us something?
withoutmercyuk 3 years ago
All the people I know who watched this on TV were quite hysterical when the second hit occurred.I am wondering why the helicopter newscaster is not giving commentary like 'Oh my god, there is a plane heading for the towers', or 'is that another plane flying too close', anything would be expected from live news, but there is absolutely NOTHING being said about a plane approaching the towers. Usually, tv crews consider oral commentary essential, even if its general observations. But this?? please!
withoutmercyuk 3 years ago
EXACTLY, GREAT POINT!!!
.I am wondering why the helicopter newscaster is not giving commentary like 'Oh my god, there is a plane heading for the towers', or 'is that another plane flying too close', anything would be expected from live news, but there is absolutely NOTHING being said about a plane approaching the towers.
pt1gard 3 years ago 4
your 2nd view, thats not the roof top, its a observation deck. They even say that this angle is from the empire state building. Thats not a orb you can see the wings on it. Slow-mo dose not count as altered.
ellisd243 3 years ago
I have live (not a replay)view thats same as your live view but in mine you can clealy see the plane heading in. Mine than goes to a close up of the towers, you don't see plane hit but in the left corner you see the fireball. NOT A REPLAY_ITS LIVE
ellisd243 3 years ago
Wow! no posts in over two weeks!
Looks like even the internet shills don't know what to say!
MrSammo1 3 years ago 3
Ya MrSammo1! But they'll be back I'm sure.
How to spot a shill:
- they use insults instead of logic
- they can form sentences, but make no sense
- they post a lot
- they have no videos of their own
- they use straw man arguments
Peace!
ThoughtCrime7 3 years ago
Excellent ANALYSIS!!! Some really good thought provoking research on a very valid subject.
Well DONE Dayjob!! 5 STARS
Also ask yourself why does Alex Jones call research like this "nuts" ? Can anyone say information "gatekeeper" ?
Nephilim70 3 years ago 2
Thanks! It's possible AJ just doesn't believe the NPT, rather than acting as a gate keeper. Not that I like being called a Co-intel pro disinfo agent by the traditional truthers! We should be able to agree to disagree. AJ says MIHOP, Ron Paul says Blowback, but both are waking people up to the real issues. In the same way, I may not agree with AJ on news fakery, but I support him for waking up millions of people (incl me) to global tyranny.
ThoughtCrime7 3 years ago
God dammit I try to post a reply to someone elses comment, and it gets placed at the VERY TOP! GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!
DrP1po 3 years ago 2
There comes a point in these kinds of debates where the sheer number of questions and inconsistencies amount to a reasonable burden of proof and circumstantial concerns that any court in any country would reasonably entertain.
It is at this point that the refusal of high level public officials to respond to these concerns becomes a key aspect of this circumstantial evidence, and itself represents a serious and meaningful aspersion of guilt, complicity and cover-up by those in power.
beggarz 3 years ago 3
Unless you 9/11 Truthers come up with some evidence instead of stupid films like: Loose Change Final Cut, Terror Storm, Iraq for Sale, 9/11 Mysteries, Press for Truth, Zeitgeist.
Then you have nothing to show for! Well maybe you people only show how ignorant and thoughtless you are when you can't even look up the real facts yourselves. Let me guess, you let other people do it for you with lame ass videos to make false accusations against the Government? Talk about being lazy SOB's!
WhyAskQuestions 3 years ago
Hey genius: explain building 7
dayjoborchestra 3 years ago
"Hey genius: explain building 7"
Fire and gravity. How simple can I put into words WTC7?
WhyAskQuestions 3 years ago
It's already been publicly stated by the owner that it was "pulled" aka DEMOLISHED on PURPOSE!
DrP1po 3 years ago 3
If you like evidence so much why don't you provide some? Or counter some? Instead of using insults like: "thoughtless, lazy, SOB, lame-ass, retard, simpleton". Great way to win people over. If you're just here to insult, you will be blocked - last chance.
ThoughtCrime7 3 years ago 2
I've got some evidence on my profile. Look up the url's and you'd find some.
You can't block me. You don't own this video Crime7.
WhyAskQuestions 3 years ago
Yeah, well I do...and you're blocked!!
dayjoborchestra 3 years ago
To WhyAskQuestions: Yes I do own the video. Maybe a policy of asking questions would make you smarter.
ThoughtCrime7 3 years ago 3
"youknow you can say what you like but if you havent noticed the evidence is just mounting up, maybe a quote from GWB would be apt here....perhaps for the first time!!! "You are either with us or against us" I never thought thought I would quote that guy!!!!"
Mounting evidence? Yeah right! "Mounting evidence" from retards who don't know what common sense is let alone physical evidence to help bring any shred of hope that the Government was involved in 9/11.
WhyAskQuestions 3 years ago
WhyAskQuestions - your name says it all. If you haven't found any evidence that 9/11 was an inside job, you haven't looked very hard. Watch Loose Change Final Cut, Terror Storm, Iraq for Sale, 9/11 Mysteries, Press for Truth, Zeitgeist. Read David Ray Griffin. Visit Pilots for 9/11 Truth, Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, Scholars for 9/11 truth, Infowars. Then maybe you'll be able to make a specific argument instead of generalizing about "simpletons".
ThoughtCrime7 3 years ago 2
"If you haven't found any evidence that 9/11 was an inside job, you haven't looked very hard."
Why should I look for aomething that doesn't exist in the realm of REALITY?
"Watch Loose Change Final Cut, Terror Storm, Iraq for Sale, 9/11 Mysteries, Press for Truth, Zeitgeist. Read David Ray Griffin."
Sen them all and nothing ever came up. They have not a shred of evidence.
WhyAskQuestions 3 years ago
"Then maybe you'll be able to make a specific argument instead of generalizing about "simpletons"." I'm making an argument that you retards have no evidence to say it was an "inside job". You got any type of evidence? Like a document with the presidentual seal and Bush's name signed on it claiming him and the Government was involved? Sorry but Osama Bin Laden already made it clear in 2001 that he was responsible for the 9/11 attacks.
Remember the 1993 WTC Bombing? Terrorist did it!
WhyAskQuestions 3 years ago
My proposal to 9/11 Truthers and their followers:
PROVIDE SUFFICANT EVIDENCE TO HELP BACK UP YOUR CLAIMS THAT THE GOVERNMENT WAS INVOLVED IN 9/11.
Without evidence there can't be a case! Simple as that you simpltons!
WhyAskQuestions 3 years ago
If there was a 9/11 "cover-up" then where's the evidence to back up that claim?
Almost 7 years later and you Truthers haven't produced a single shred of evidence for the "cover-up" or "inside job" theories.
7 years of trying, 7 years of waiting, 7 years of Truther failures.
What's next? Saying that the singing of the RMS Titanic was an inside job too???
WhyAskQuestions 3 years ago
I meant sinking, not singing.
Typos happen!
WhyAskQuestions 3 years ago
What, you aren't familiar with the infamous Singing of the Titanic conspiracy? Lots of people believe the Titanic housed the remains and spirits of long-dead opera singers. But the government is trying to cover up this fact! Don't let the truth die!
slashingraven 3 years ago 2
"What, you aren't familiar with the infamous Singing of the Titanic conspiracy?"
One little typo and you ingrates take it for granted. That's why you idiots can't make a single claim stick about 9/11 cause there's no evidence on your behalf.
Nice try but fail again!
WhyAskQuestions 3 years ago
Oh cool your jets, hothead. As a matter of fact I don't believe in the 9/11 set-up conspiracy and was being satirical.
Thanks for showing just how much of a humorless cunt you are, though.
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slashingraven 3 years ago 2
you pathetic fool.....have you had your eyes closed through out this vid???? or maybe fool is the wrong word....agent maybe? either way pathetic is spot on....they will get you and bring you to justice and watch you swing like you did to sadam......
lumpfish99 3 years ago
"have you had your eyes closed through out this vid????"
Actually they were open the whole time. Unlike you, you might have had yours closed, just like your mind.
"agent maybe?"
Agent of what exactly? Agent of Evil? Laundry Detergent Agent? Dish Detergent Agent?
Come on dumbass! Is that all you've got???
WhyAskQuestions 3 years ago
You know this may sound wild but there is a theory that the titanic was sunk on purpose due to the people on board being competitors of the rockafellas...
lumpfish99 3 years ago
"they will get you and bring you to justice and watch you swing like you did to sadam"
Oh wow I'm shaking in my work boots! Do you know what a job is BTW?
WhyAskQuestions 3 years ago
youknow you can say what you like but if you havent noticed the evidence is just mounting up, maybe a quote from GWB would be apt here....perhaps for the first time!!! "You are either with us or against us" I never thought thought I would quote that guy!!!!
lumpfish99 3 years ago
"To ignore the obvious news video anomalies for fear of being associated with the "no-planers" crowd makes as much sense as ignoring the 9/11 coverup for fear of upsetting the establishment."
Well said,and so TRUE
krokus69 3 years ago
there is no such thing as a Typical truther.
But typical shill ,yes i think so.
krokus69 3 years ago 4
Excellent vid! 5/5
msmLIES 3 years ago 4
Thanks to everyone for keeping the debate alive & for all the comments/views lately!
ThoughtCrime7 3 years ago 3
BlackRabbit2264. Here is a link. The images on these are far more shaky & used as an extreme test example. Even so, if you zoom into & re-frame the stabilised images on the right, you will have full, still images.
By the way, a helicopter in stationary flight facing a still target like the WTC would have very little movement to stabilise later & require little if any zoom.
If you question this debunking evidence, then you seriously need to ask yourself why?
watch?v=6xtSqXflRCU
pinkundaztood 3 years ago
"What about the eyewitness in the WTC who watched the plane crash into his office while he was in it?"
Paid shill like yourself Pinky :o
krokus69 3 years ago 4
Boy oh boy pinky`s been busy watching a whole lot of video`s.....
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krokus69 3 years ago 3
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Jen1001001 3 years ago
The "Debunkers" say the most dumbest things.. I swear..
Maybe they aught to be called arrogant complainers. "LALALALALA NOT LISTENING LALALALA"
BlackRabbit2264 3 years ago 2
True. "arrogant complainers" is definately a better fit. I figure if they're smart enough to form a sentence, but too dumb to make a good argument, we could probably call them shills as well.
ThoughtCrime7 3 years ago
pinkundaztood: You want to elaborate on that? You know, with sources and other materials that exhibit what you're saying.
I'm indecisive about 9/11.. simply because I don't give a shit. So I'm not looking for an argument. Just a bit of transparency. We are all human, and deserving of it.
BlackRabbit2264 3 years ago
pinkundazwear. Hmm. Stabilizer technology, hmm... If I remember correctly the video would still show minor jerks and even with a frame zoom the picture would skip ocassionally. HOWEVER, should this still be true, you've answered one question, which still doesn't answer the other legitimate questions nor "debunk" them. Hear's a question for you, the Pentagon, if all else were to fail the plane that hit the Pentagon would still remain a mystery. Just look into that one.
homer46303 3 years ago
ThoughtCrime7. Is it your will to remove free speech & discussion from every channel? I thought it was just the main edited BS truther channels that have worked that into a new art form. Are you not open to debate, or do you prefer to silence anyone who disagrees with you? You are welcome to discuss whatever you like on opposing channels. Your views will not be removed. Who is it exactly who wants to cover up the facts here? It's certainly not me.
pinkundaztood 3 years ago
Pinkubdaztood - why don't you make a video? It would probably take you less time than all the comments you post.
ThoughtCrime7 3 years ago
Dude if you don't like the video, spend your time elsewhere.
ThoughtCrime7 3 years ago
I knew it, NBC erased the world for a second. I knew they could do that...
Oh and the orb, I knew it was an orb not a plane, What are the chances that an orb and a plane happen to slam into a building at the same time? Very Great it happens all the time. BTW what's an orb?
f1br30p7ix 3 years ago
One shot is a helicopter shot from higher in the sky looking down, the horizon is therefore visible making it difficult to see the incoming plane. The other shot is from lower in the sky, no horizon in view, easier to see the plane. Why is that so hard to understand?
pinkundaztood 3 years ago
So you're basically saying that every person there that day that SAW WITH THEIR OWN EYES the second plane hit the tower was in on the "conspiracy" somehow because of a videotape. And BTW, I can see the plane on the live footage. Its not clear, but its there.
mizgeministarz 3 years ago
Did you see the people with your own eyes - the ones who saw the South Tower strike with their own eyes? There are witnesses who reported no plane, small plane, big, plane, plane with no windows, missile, etc. Show me a big list of plane eyewitnesses and I'll believe it.
ThoughtCrime7 3 years ago
You've got to be kidding me.
mizgeministarz 3 years ago
mizgeministarz = IDIOT!!!
krokus69 3 years ago
I think in the larger scheme of things most would agree that I'm not the one who looks like an idiot. We leave that honor to you. You aren't aware of this, though. It's one of the drawbacks of actually BEING an idiot.
mizgeministarz 3 years ago
Ignore the plane.
Check background of towers? wtf
domin323 3 years ago
NPT?
Tanru2000 3 years ago
Your conclusions don't match your hypothesis you should change your hypothesis, or alter your conclusions. I'd say this is more about the legitimacy of the video. They probably spruced it up for the evening news: slowed it down, stabilised the image, put a clearer plane shot in. This doesn't mean the event didn't happen or that the 'real' events were hidden more that the footage was embelished. There are other videos from other angles out there - especially of the second plane hitting.
Tanru2000 3 years ago
So you think most people would accept that the news was "spruced up"? With no mention of the news network's artistry? While most belived it to be a genuine replay? You're ok with all that?
ThoughtCrime7 3 years ago
No I don't think that is acceptable but the hypothesis implies that the video is clear evidence that it was not a plane that crashed into the second tower. The text in the video should be changed to - the media should have shown the original footage. Or acknowledge that the footage had been changed/enhanced/spruced/edited.
Tanru2000 3 years ago
I mention that the motives are not part of the video's scope. NPT is one motive to roll fake news, disguising modified aircraft is another, concealing other aircraft in the area, etc, but I have not made any of these conjectures. I stick to what I can prove - video annomalies. I have video tapes of the news and there are annomalies. And not just on NBC, watch "September Clues" and "9/11 Amateur" for much more detail on all the live coverage.
ThoughtCrime7 3 years ago
Tanru2000
"There are other videos from other angles out there - especially of the second plane hitting."
Yes and not one of them resembles a plane and not one of them looks the same so what`s yerr point Bucko :o
krokus69 3 years ago 2
believe me when i say that when you disbeleiving idiots lose family or are the victims of another false flag terror op i am not going to bat an eyelid or lose sleep the world will be a better place with all the sheep gone. i am going to stand up with or without you imbeciles. or is it u wont have to worry about that because you work for the dark side. i hope you get whats coming and then some. brilliant video by the way if they cant see things aint what they should be they never ever will fools.
myzteron 3 years ago 2
SO....where did the missing plane go? The plane took off and was never seen again? what about the passengers, the crew?
explain that one to me.....
clayt1984 3 years ago
Good questions but this vid is about fake news. Loose Change Final Cut has some good info on the planes and passengers. Also check out David Ray Griffin.
ThoughtCrime7 3 years ago