Trading Faiths: Why We Chose to Leave and Believe? ( Rebuttals - 3 of 4 )

[syimang]

Nabeel is an x-ahmadiyyah sect which remains 'out of the islamic teachings'..these sect r ban & not recognised by all muslim countries in the world including India where it was originally formed!Other famous 'Islamic' sect that r not recognised by Muslims r the Nations of Islam or 'The Black Muslim' in the United States.Well!!...he was already 'out of Islam' or it's teaching before he converted to Christianity!So i guess it doesn't make any difference..anyway..right!!

[modis67]

I thought Jesus was himself baptised?The signs is very clear. You just have to open your eyesmind and heart.If you choose to be misguided,do not blame Allah.

[amiracars]

i think Nabeel is a bit too green for debating

[FireFlyWW]

wake up little nabeel, your inferiority complex is gonna lead you to ur doom.

[ovaisreza]

Nabeel was never a Muslim to begin with.

[mustafagtgt]

I my self would love to die severla times over for the love of Allah. Nabeel was completely avoiding the point of what our beloved prophet was emphasizing when he stressed this noble cause! Commitng your self to struggle in the path of Allah even against all material posessions is the best way to show your love and devotion. Nothing evil here is intended unless you want to conceal the truth whilst distorting the meanings!

[mustafagtgt]

Narrated Qatadah: I asked Anas Ibn Malik: Who collected the Quran at the time of Prophet? He replied: Four, all of whom were from the Ansar: Ubay Ibn Kaab, Muadh Ibn Jabal, Zayd Ibn Thabit and Abu Zayd. (Bukhari, Kitab Fadailul-Quran) Nabeel needs to brush up on his supposed facts..this one hadith refutes his entire position.

[Abdulbaseerkhan]

:) these people just lie to shoot them selves on the foot. Jazak Allahu khayr akhi.

[mustafagtgt]

Appeadr to them...Yes, to those who insisted on killing the prophet who were then put under the impression that they achieved their motive! However his OWN family knew of the truth! How can he conveniantyl forget to mention that! The Quran itself attests to that fact that Jesus companions were steadfast and were amongst the succesful

[muslim9x9x]

Can you prove from the New Testament where Paul said he was persecuting the JEWISH-Christians (who considered it Blasphemy to worship a Human being, let alone the Messiah) because they claimed Jesus was God or Divine? They considered it Blasphemy to worship a Human Being.

The Jewish-Christians whom SAUL persecuted DID NOT claim the Messiah was Divine, the Hebrew Scriptures taught THEM that the Messiah is completely Human, just read the Psalms! Hence, Paul is the fabricator of Jesus' divinity.

[daome2012]

"the Hebrew Scriptures taught THEM that the Messiah is completely Human,"

Can you prove from the OT that the Messiah is ONLY human?

Isaiah 9:6 demonstrates Islams ignorance of the previous revelations.;-)

[muslim9x9x]

Read the Jewish interpretation of Isa. 9:6, it actually refers to a Human Being. The very titles used in Isa. 9:6 DO NOT apply to Jesus, he never claimed to be the "everlasting Father" and "mighty god".

Here is what the OT says about the Messiah:

The LORD is the strength of his people, a fortress of salvation for his anointed one. (Psalms 28:8)

Look upon our shield, O God; look with favor on your anointed one. (Psalms 84:9)

The Messiah (anointed) is not Divine, so nabeel has been defeated

[daome2012]

Isaiah 9 IS a Messianic chapter which speaks of a child being born(human) and that one of his names is Mighty God(Divine).

So Islam remains ignorant.;-)

[sammy1528]

Child being human and the name divine does not make the human divine.

Isn't this common sense?

Just blind faith from you christians

[daome2012]

Thx for proving my point.;-)

[sammy1528]

Thank you for admitting that christianity is of blind faith.

One honest christian , at long last.

[Tchado1000]

@daome2012

There are 2 versions of Isa 9:6 , either the deceitful Christians version which puts it in the future tense , or the original hebrew which puts it in the PAST tense which speaks about a prohet that already came .

Isaiah 9 is not a messianic chapter ! you people can't name chapters messianic when ever it fits your pagan agenda !

and even if I concead this , it speaks about a human being born , and he is a mighty god similar to how Moses was a god over pharaoh , NOT DIVINE

[daome2012]

@Tchado1000

"...speaks about a prohet that already came..."

Which prophet is that?

"...he is a mighty god similar to how Moses was a god over pharaoh..."

Where, in Isaiah 9, does it say that?;-)

[Tchado1000]

@daome2012

According to Jewish commentaries , It's Ezekiel .

I dont need to show u where in ISA does it say that because its the only explanation that wont contradict the OT itself.

[daome2012]

@Tchado1000

"...its the only explanation... "

Apart from Ezekiel' name meaning "God is strong", that "explanation" contradicts Isa.9:6-7.

Did/Could Ezekiel sit on David' throne and rule over his kingdom?;-)

[Tchado1000]

@daome2012

What does Ezekiel's name have to do with it ?? Read any Jewish commentary ON THE MANUSCRIPTS , these names were the titles given to ezekiel according to jewish custom , but in the end this isn't my argument, my argument is that ISA 9:6 is in the past tense , therefore its not a prophecy about Jesus

[Tchado1000]

@daome2012

and ISA 9:6 can't be Jesus !!

Jesus is not an "ever lasting father" , the son is not the father according to christian doctrine .

Jesus is not "the prince of peace" , Jesus said he did not come to bring peace but a sword , I dont care what the sword is , Jesus is saying he did not come to bring peace

[Tchado1000]

@daome2012

The truth is I don't know how could Ezekiel sit on David' throne and rule over his kingdom , I'd like to ask you the same Question , the Gospels don't give us a clear geneolgy , and jesus was not a king .

Other Jewish commentaries point out this is speaking about King Hezekiah .

There are many MORE LOGICAL interpretations to the text according to its context , WHICH IS NOT A PROPHECY .

IT IS IMPOSSIBLE THAT ISA 9:6 IS REFERRING TO JESUS

[daome2012]

@Tchado1000

"...my argument is..."

Not only is your "past tense" argument weak but your subsequent assertions are proof that you don't know what you're talking about.

"...I'd like to ask you the same Question..."

Only descendants of David can rule as King.Jesus was one.;-)

[Tchado1000]

@daome2012

Whats weak about my argument ??? ALL THE MANUSCRIPTS , ALL THE JEWISH BIBLES put it in the past , which means it not a prophecy , where is your evidence that its referring to Jesus ?

Jesus was never king , he didn't rule for one day , so what makes him king ??? NOTHING !

[daome2012]

@Tchado1000

"Whats weak about my argument? "

Your ignorance of what constitutes a bilblical prophecy is what makes your "argument" weak.

You have yet to identify who is being spoken of.Ezekiel is not a descendant of David.Hezekiah is not ruling "...forevermore".

Who is Isa.9:6-7 talking about?;-)

[muslim9x9x]

A Challenge for "nabeel qureshi"

Can you explain why Justin Martyr (d. 150 CE) DOES NOT mention the "apostle" Paul? He lived only 60 years after Paul and DOES NOT mention him. Does that mean Paul did not exist? The oldest manuscripts for Paul's epistles date from the early 3rd century!

IN contrast, the Prophet Muhammad's life is documented in detail. The Historians confirm the existence of Prophet Muhammad very early

w w w islamic - awareness org /History /Islam/Inscriptions /earlysaw html

[mustafagtgt]

Nabeel ignores Mohammed (pbuh) when he clearly told the Jews that Jesus did NOT die...

so NO, Allah did not leave the people is complete confusion, instead TRUTH did prevail until most people were lead astray...