Who is Jesus? Traditional Judaism vs Messianic Judaism

[templebethhashem]

The problem with this debate is that it not between a real Messianic Jew and an Orthodox Jew. It is between a Nicene Christian and an Orthodox Jew. Nicene Christianity, whether it calls itself Messianic or not, is at odds with the Bible and Judaism. Authentic Messianic Judaism is not. Authentic Messianic Jews are Jews not Christians. Rebbe Y'shua's teachings are as Jewish as those of the Lubavitcher Rebbe's, Rav Nachman's and so on.

[4trahasis]

This has nothing to do with whether or not Yeshua is Moshiach: where in TaNaKh is there evidence of A) G-d incarnating as a man, and B) that man being Moshiach, C) necessity of his death and resurrection, D) salvation only through belief in this incarnation?

What of all the men who spoke with G-d, without intermediation of a son? What of repentance then?

Maybe more Jews might consider the potential of Yeshua as Moshiach if there wasn't this Christian insistence on Moshiach being G-d Himself.

[bupkiss2009]

@4trahasis @4trahasis A: Isaiah 9:6-7, B: Isaiah 9:7, 11:1-2, 11:10, 22:22, 42:1-4, 53:3, 53:9, 53:12 C: Isaiah 50:6, 53, 25:8, 60:1-3 D: Isaiah 28:16, 49:6, 59:20-21.

These are only a few answers to your questions and found in one book. These are undisputed messianic texts found in Isaiah, I would challenge you to read them, esp chapter 53.

[bupkiss2009]

As for Christians believing Yeshua Moshiach being G-d Himself, it is best said by prophet Isaiah For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders;And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace. Cont....

[bupkiss2009]

@4trahasis Continuation: sorry its posted backwards ....There will be no end to the increase of His government or of peace,On the throne of David and over his kingdom,To establish it and to uphold it with justice and righteousness From then on and forevermore.The zeal of the LORD of hosts will accomplish this. Isaiah 9:6-7

[bupkiss2009]

@4trahasis The book of Isaiah refers to three different servants that God will use. 1: Israel or the house of Jacob was to be a light to all nations holding fast to the knowledge of the One True God while all other tribes and nations forgot God so that they could turn to their own ways; however Israel had failed at this task and was to be sent into exile in Babylon. 2: Isaiah was instructed by God to ease the minds and hearts of those who remained faithful to him in Israel..Cont..

[bupkiss2009]

@4trahasis continuation...by prophesying the second servant whom He would raise up to free Israel from bondage, his name was Cyrus, his name foretold by God through Isaiah long before Cyrus was born. 3: The third Servant of the lord would be a light to all nations fulfilling the task that Israel had failed to achieve. He would be the Salvation of jacob and would reconcile him with Judah. This Servant would rid Israel of the sin that caused it to be sent into exile in the first place.

[DrPunjabi]

Mr Roth by this wonderful inspiring lecture you have shown what true

pure christianity in its real meaning is:

its purest messianic judaism. Todah rabah, you have given me the

most pleasant christmas lecture I ever heard.

[hesedken]

What determines a Jew, a Hebrew? The answer is simple: Patrilineal law. See Numbers 36: 5-13. Today we have many people claiming to be Jews who are not of the Hebrew (Jew) succession inheritance. Many are not even Semitic! Even if some are partially Semitic, if their lineage is not patrilineally Hebrew, such still can not qualify for participation in authentic, Hebrew congregation. Simply, Jewish people are deceived and contradict the Torah. And the misled world doesn't even notice the delusion!

[yahokobbenyah]

Christians, Muslims, Jews, and Messianics are all wrong and are going to be exiled into outer darkness for their crimes against the Kingdom of Heaven. 1John 3:4-10 shows you who truly is saved from their sins (crimes). Those who break (transgress) the Laws of Yahuwah are criminals and deserve to be punished. God is fixing to kill billions of people to cleanse this earth of the Illuminati and all the rest of those who rebel against the commandments (laws).

[ghostdancer1984]

exodus 23:2.... just because the majority of jews today are rabbinical, doesn't make them right.

[ghostdancer1984]

rabbi blumofe misquotes, misinterprets, and just plain makes things up. but i can understand why. the jewish people have been abused by those who walk under the the christian flag for 2,000 years. i can understand why they'd want to reject the religion and it's founder. shalom.

[ghostdancer1984]

wow....Rabbi Blumofe is so ignorant it's not even funny. speaking of mithras or egyptian myths is ridiculous. he's making some of it up. he's not even worth it.

[ghostdancer1984]

fulfilling the law in the hebrew mindset is not the same in the english. when the text says yeshua 'fulfilled', it means he explained it and demonstrated the proper way to observe the commandment. when it says destroy or 'downtrodden', it means your not explaining it or demonstrating it correctly. shalom.

[knightsofstjoan2004]

The faith of the Messianic Jews is the Judaism of the Bible (Biblical Judaism) and is centered on the Messiah and the salvation He brings, and they don't have to go through the Sages or the Rabbis to know God. They have access to God because of the great atoning work of Yeshua HaMashiach, Israel's Chief Rabbi, who has fulfilled them as Jewish Believers and fulfilled Judaism itself.

[mumswording]

Christians must understand Lev 23 & the 7 feast of the lord. Christ fulfilled the first 4 feasts on the day god comanded jews to celebrate on. The next 3 will be fulfilled on christs return. God was clear, these feast are HIS & not that of the jews. The very psalm sung at jewish Passover, point to the stone that was rejected becoming the chief cornerstone.

[ljackso]

The Jewish Rabbi's arguments are so weak it is almost funny. Yeshua is the Messiah and He will save all Israel in the Last Days. As a Christian I am very grateful to the Jewish people because without them I would be without hope. Yeshua was 100% Jewish and fulfilled the Law. He is coming again very soon. Accept His sacrifice and be saved. Yeshua loves you and is calling you to Himself. Maranatha! Baruch haba b'Shem Adonai. Sha-alu Shalom Yirushalayim. Shema Yisrael Adonai Eloheinu Adonai Echad.

[RabbiWerner]

Shalom Y'shua is truely the Messiah King

[johnofallfaith]

This starts off with a very inaccurate comment by Sid Roth (the announcer) and goes downhill. Jews who do not accept Y'shua as Moshiach are absolutely still Jews! They should have had a real Messianic Jew instead of a closet Christian in the discussion.

[JesusxXxLovesxXxYou]

at 33:35 "they didn't know the language"

Hes entirely wrong, there is strong evidence that supports the aramaic primacy which proves they knew aramaic and hebrew.

[JesusxXxLovesxXxYou]

It's Yeshua the Messiah not Jesus the Messiah, Jesus just doesn't even sound right. In fact Yeshua hameshiac sounds even better.

[regelemihai]

Boy was Dr. Brown young here.

Also as articulate and on-point as usual.