@CBALLEN It does not say "chosen", unless, of course you are using the NASB? It states "ORDAINED" in mine. How is one ordained? Faith comes by hearing. They heard. They believed. They got eternal life. They got eternal life because they believed. They didn't get eternal life and then believed.
@chapmaned Ordained,appointed,chosen ect,means the same in this context,it was all done by God before creation.And yes I know old testament SAINTS went there until Jesus took them to Heaven,but the rich man went to Hell and it could be seen from Abraham's bosom.
@CBALLEN No, it doesn't. There is no word called "chosen" within the definition. Also, I explained Romans Chapter 2 to you. We all have a conscience. And everyone who is and was a Gentile is judged by their conscience. Romans Chapter 2. Those under the law, are judged by the law. Not everyone is under the law.
@chapmaned You've got some strange ideas,they're certainly not orthodox,or recognized by the early church or the protestants of the reformation,you just make it up as you go.You're done here,this is foolishness.
@CBALLEN Romans Chapter 2. Romans Chapters 4-7. Romans Chapter 11. You also need to understand. Calvin was a former Catholic. He brought in a form of Catholicism with him. Catholicism is of pagan origin. He didn't fully give up everything in that wicked religion. While I say God Bless Luther, and God bless Calvin for the reformation, they weren't correct in everything. All I can say to you is to STUDY the Book of Romans, setting aside your Calvinist belief system.
@chapmaned Proverbs 20:24 A man's steps are directed by the LORD. How then can anyone understand his own way?Proverbs 16:1 To man belong the plans of the heart, but from the LORD comes the reply of the tongue.Proverbs 16:9 In his heart a man plans his course, but the LORD determines his steps Prv 21:1.he king’s heart is a stream of water in the hand of the LORD; he turns it wherever he will.
@CBALLEN Only a man that is a follower of God is the steps directed by God. How you twist scripture is weird. The book of Proverbs was written by who? The person who wrote it, was a follower of God, not a non-follower of God.
@CBALLEN And you say that I have strange beliefs? Any religion that thinks that Babies have the capability to sin, and the ability to suffer for all eternity in hell fire is strange beliefs. Deuteronomy 1:39 debunks that theory.
@chapmaned You don't even realize that you still are a Roman Catholic,they just have a few more works than you,but works is how you believe man is saved for sure.All R.Cs. are Arminian,if fact,they rejoiced when they infiltrated the protestant churches in America and swayed them into believing that Arminanism was the truth.There's documentation of them celebrating this in Rome,poor fellow.The first churches to come to America were reformed,Arminianism has only been in America for 200 or so yrs.
@CBALLEN Works is the ACT of obeying the law. Where do you people come up with words such as Arminian? Who the hell are they? I am a Christian. I am not a Calvinist, nor a Lutheran. Just a Christian. I have no clue what Arminians believe. I BELIEVE THE BIBLE ALONE. We are not saved by works (OBEYING THE LAW OF MOSES). We are saved by NOT OBEYING THE LAW OF MOSES. The opposite of OBEYING THE LAW OF MOSES is GRACE (NO WORKS). ROMANS CHAPTER 4. You have a problem with ROMANS.
@chapmaned Anyone who holds to a man centered gospel and believes man is the captain of his own salvation and life, is an Arminian.Reformed people know we are just lost sinners that God chose to save.We know that we are no different than people in Hell,we know that if it were not for God's grace alone we would be in Hell.We know that salvation didn't depend on our DECISION,that our faith was granted to us without any works on or part.We are grateful to God for everything& WE DESERVE NO GLORY.
@chapmaned Our works are even caused by God,He causes us to will and do good works,that's His proof to Believers that He has actually made us born again.God does everything pretty much opposite of the way man does things,that's why He chooses who will believe.Natural (lost)men can only choose a false god to worship and most Protestant churches preach a false Jesus,they preach of a Jesus whose done all he can and he wants all people to choose him but they're thwarting his will left and right.
@chapmaned Arminians always say things like,accepting Jesus is the best decision I ever made.Hey,it's your choice,either you decide to make Jesus your Savior or you don't.No one makes Jesus their Savior,Either He causes ones salvation or He doesn't.God commands all men to repent and believe and all of God's chosen will turn to Christ,but the goats will not,ever.This is God's will that His word save His people and repel the goats.
@chapmaned So how is it that you think Jesus died for people in Hell ? This is why one has to understand ALL MEN in context you must know,in most places it meant kinds of men,Gentiles ,Jews,fat,skinny,poor,rich,soldiers,civilians,and not all men who have ever lived.Is the love of money the root of all evil?Or all kinds of evil?Did Adam 's sin involve money?
@CBALLEN My question to you is this. Are you judging who is in hell, and who isn't? What gives you that authority? I am saying what the Bible states. You have no authority to judge another mans conscience. That is reserved for God alone. Romans Chapter 2. Rejecting God is a sure means for hell.
God needs no human's permission to save them at all.Look at Paul for example,he was merrily on his way to kill Christians when God played a cruel trick on him and turned him into one.Paul was certainly not looking to believe in Jesus and after Jesus told him who He was,He proceeded to tell Paul what the rest of his life's mission would be,Jesus didn't even ask him what he thought about it,it was a command about how it would be.
@CBALLEN Jesus "revealed himself" to Saul. Saul asked, WHO ARE YOU "LORD". God reveals himself thru various means...HIS WORD. It had nothing to do with CHOOSING to SAVE Paul. Paul was already a worshiper of God. He was blameless in the law.
We are saved by Grace through faith by God alone,but Arminians turn that around and believe we are saved by faith through Grace,meaning,they believe man musters up faith within himself and then trades it to God so he can them be born again.
@CBALLEN No, that is not what we believe. You twist what we believe. We believe that you are saved by faith thru grace. Grace is given to all who believe. Grace is the opposite of the law. Either you are under the law, or, you are under grace. Law = wage, Grace = no wage. Romans Chapter 4. We are saved by faith (Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things unseen) through NOT being under the law of Moses (Grace). You misuse the word GRACE.
@chapmaned God has planned everything that comes to pass,even this discussion,he's either going to change you or He's going to let you be one that says,Lord,Lord didn't I DO this and that for my salvation?
@chapmaned So God chose Christians before the world to be saved?What Christians,what are their names?All who Jesus died for will be saved,all that He did not die for will be in Hell.Remember,there were people in Hell while Jesus walked the Earth,Jesus never died for their sins or else He did and God is charging them double making them pay again for sins that have been paid for.
@CBALLEN Jesus died for the sins of everyone. For before the law, sin was in the world, but sin is NOT COUNTED where there is no law. But, before the law, people had a conscience. Gentiles who have not the law, are judged by their conscience, and before Abraham, everyone was a Gentile.
@CBALLEN When the people with a clear conscience died, including Jews (Remember Samuel?), they went to a place called Abraham's Bosom. They are now in heaven with Jesus, as he set the prisoners free, from Abraham's Bosom, and led captivity captive.
@chapmaned So if it is man that musters up faith to trade to God for salvation(grace),then salvation depends on man and you have a right to boast,so you just hung yourself by your own admission.
@CBALLEN How do you come up with that conclusion? Faith comes by HEARING, not by forcing. Faith is the substance of things hoped for. We are saved by HOPE (Romans 8:24). You have a distorted view of grace.
So then you know that God knew who would be in Heaven and who would be in Hell before He ever created them ,right?So since God has this perfect knowledge why didn't He cancell the births of the one who would not be saved to save them the pain of Hell?And why do you think He's still patiently trying to save these goats?
22 What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath—prepared for destruction? 23 What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory— 24 even us, whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles?
@CBALLEN What does that have to do with salvation? NOTHING. You think that the Pharaoh went to Hell fire, right? Why? Because God used him for destruction? Well, the Bible states that Before the law, sin was in the world, but sin is not counted against you where there is no law. Also, read Romans 2. Gentiles not under the law, are not judged by the law, but by their conscience. YOU only stick to a few verses to support your doctrines without studying the REST OF THE STORY.
@chapmaned Jesus said that Men are not able to believe in Him unless the father who sent Him draws them and then He will raise them all up on the last day.This proves man has no free will in salvation unless God causes it and when God causes it they all get saved and kept by Jesus until their glorification.
@CBALLEN And how does he do it? Thru his word. Someone must preach the word to them. But what does that have to do with SALVATION? Those naked amazon people with bones in their noses that never heard of God will be judged by their conscience. Romans Chapter 2.
@chapmaned No,Jesus willfully kept the Jews from receiving the kingdom of salvation by preaching in parables they couldn't understand on purpose so they would remain blind and lost.
@CBALLEN Jesus said to the Pharisees, "IF you were blind, you would have no sin, but since you claim that you see, your sin remains." I now reiterate, ROMANS 11.
What you are demonstrating as that you are not getting your doctrine from scripture you're trying to twist scripture to say what your doctrine says.I was an Arminian for 14 yrs before God opened my eyes and taught me the truth.Not one person that Jesus died for will end up in Hell.You also never answered.Does God know all things?
@CBALLEN On the contrary. Everything I state is in the Bible. What Calvinists do is what they accuse others of doing. I could care less about the word Arminian. Christianity existed long before strange words. And, if you care to debate it, Jesus was Arminian. You are trained to believe your doctrines. Fine. You are wrong. God gave us free will. That is in the Bible.
Isaiah 55:11 so shall my word be that goes out from my mouth; it shall not return to me empty, but it shall accomplish that which I purpose, and shall succeed in the thing for which I sent it.
Does everyone who hears the gospel repent and believe? No,but the verse says that every time God's word goes out it always accomplishes what it was sent out to do.The answer is,it always draws the sheep to God or closer to God and it repels the goats at the same time
@CBALLEN IT IS THERE CHOICE...NOT GOD'S CHOICE. God knows what man will CHOOSE, but the choice is man's..not God's. CHOOSE THIS DAY WHOM YOU WILL SERVE.
@chapmaned context context !! who is he talking to?? not the amorites nor the amelekites !! no he is talking to ISREAL and only IRAEL whom in the mist of them were some true believers like Joshua !! you cannot take this verse and aply it to anyone or everyone you are a heretic
@patriotsfan1379 It's very telling how the pelagians and semi-pelagians twist scripture anyway they want,whatever suits there doctrine is how they'll use it.
@CBALLEN you are sooo right !! I once used to hate reformed doctrine just like them and it took a long time for me to understand it all by GODS grace opening my understanding so I know how these arminians or shall we say enlightened humanists twist scripture!! thnx so much for your comments they are always right on target may GOD bless you
@patriotsfan1379 That is only because you have "itching ears". Your grace is not discussed in the Bible. You have an additional word inserted prior to the word grace. That kind of grace is not discussed in the Bible.
@patriotsfan1379 Thank you brother,I was exactly the same way too,so I know how frustrating it was for others who spoke to me when I was deceived and thought my way WAS THE ONLY WAY of understanding the Bible.Now I look back and shutter especially when I believed that I couldn't be deceived when I was an Arminian Christian.
@patriotsfan1379 Arminians can't understand that God has always had a chosen people reserved for Heaven,especially when the OT was proof of this.They never stop to think that probably 99% percent of Gentiles went to Hell without God even sending them any Gentile prophets and He sent very few Jewish ones to them.
@CBALLEN There is no such thing as God choosing people to be saved, and choosing people to not be saved. Gentiles do NOT go to hell who have no knowledge of good and evil. They are without law, and are judged by their conscience. Romans Chapter 2. Also, for the Jews, Romans chapter 11.
@chapmaned Eph. 1 Is where Paul is addressing believers ONLY and he tells them why they became believers from God point of view,it even covers the fact that God had chosen them before the world was made .It say He chose them,not on any foreseen faith,but by the counsel of His will alone.So if you think God looked through time and chose the choosers,you're wrong.
@CBALLEN You misunderstand Ephesians 1. That is classic. He did not choose INDIVIDUALS. If all you read it verse 11, then you miss it. It states that we (Christians) are predestined to (Verse 12) That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. In other words, CHRISTIANS WERE PREDESTINED TO BE THE PRAISE OF HIS GLORY...Not that individuals are predestined.
@chapmaned lol, Christians are individuals,the church is made up of individual Christians.Look,God Himself must change your heart,I only need to give you scripture to plant a seed,so it's God's job to convert you on your flawed thinking,not me.I and Patriot fan have given you the truth so if you trample it under feet then you may not know God,I don't know.
@patriotsfan1379 Oh, yes we can. The Jews and the stories within the Hebrew scriptures are a SHADOW of things to come to pass IN SPIRITUAL form. If it is discussing Israel, as you say, it is discussing Christianity, as I say. You see the carnal, i.e., the physical land of Israel, and non-calvinists see the spiritual, i.e. heaven. Hebrews Chapter 4. You talk "context", and you don't put the whole book into context.
@CBALLEN I believe that God gave man FREE WILL. I don't believe in the Calvinist PREDESTINATION. I believe that the ACTIONS of Christians were predestined, not that certain people were PREDESTINED to be saved. I believe that God's plans in regards to prophecy is based on his knowledge of what man chooses to do, rather than God choosing for the man to do them.
Act 13:48 When the Gentiles heard this, they were very glad and thanked the Lord for his message; and all who were chosen for eternal life- became believers.
Notice what's being said? only all who were chosen(by God)for eternal life believed.It doesn't say all who believed were then chosen for eternal life.
@CBALLEN Awe, the INFAMOUS choose chosen thing, huh? We are all chosen to believe. It is our choice to not believe. It is not God's choice for us to not believe. That is where Calvinists skew the word of God with the infamous choose chosen doctrines.
Street preacher lies big time @ 1:50 "Christ died for "His" people?"
No, sorry, close as Uranus. For all (1st Timothy 2:6; Isaiah 53:6). For every man (Heb. 2:9). For the world (John 3:16). For the sins of the whole world (1 John 2:2). For the ungodly (Rom. 5:6). For false teachers (2 Peter 2:1). For many (Matthew 20:28). For Israel (John 11:50-51). For the Church (Eph. 5:25). For "me" (Gal. 2:20).
@fivepointbaptist But you are missing my point and gore53's point. The Gentiles are "HIS PEOPLE" now. How did I prove YOUR point? There is only Jews and Gentiles. Not what you define as "ELECT".
@chapmaned Your point was that the preacher in question lied when they used "His people." I have demonstrated that scripture speaks of His/My people. Thus, YOU are the liar and need to repent.
@fivepointbaptist Based on the scriptures that Both myself and Gore53 provided, Both Jews and Gentiles are HIS PEOPLE. So what is your point in calling me the liar in need of repenting. I quoted scripture. We are all his people.
Acts 28:28 Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles...
Romans 3:29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also.
@fivepointbaptist The only error is in your definition of "HIS PEOPLE" and "MY PEOPLE". It is ONLY JEWS AND GENTILES. The Jews were under the law, the Gentiles were not. That is why it is said "HIS PEOPLE". His people were under the law. Now we are all HIS PEOPLE, under Christ, there is no JEW/GENTILE. NOT UNDER CHRIST, THERE IS JEW/GENTILE. You have a lot to learn in regards to JEW and Gentile.
These men in this video are preachin false doctrine its a dcotrine of works they preeach that we have to turn away from all of out sins but John 3:16 states this For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Lisen we all lied we have done all of these things But thought Christ its all paid for once we trust in him and him alone all this repent of ur sins is garbage.
@MMarvel22 really? Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
@MMarvel22 1st jhon 1;8,9,10 "" IF WE SAY WE HAVE NO SIN, WE DECIEVE OURSELVES,AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN US.""IF WE CONFESS OUR SINS,HE IS FAITHFULL AND JUST TO FORGIVE US OUR SINS AND TO CLEANSE US FROM ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS. "" IF WE SAY WE HAVE NOT SINNED, WE MAKE HIM A LIAR,AND HIS WORD IS NOT IN US"" jhon 3;16 is not the whole gospel nor is it doctrine in of itself !! you need to read the whole chapter!! and stop spreading lies!!
To whom it may concern: Repentance comes from the greek word 'metannoia' which refers to "a renewal of the mind". It means that one has to view his acts of disobedience towards God as sinful and ask for His forgiveness (which he shall recieve through the blood of Jesus Christ). Repentance doesn't mean to actually stop sinning because no one can do that, we sin all our lives. And most of the time we sin willfully. So yeah, those who sin and do not repent, are demonic. Like everything sinful.
19 Nevertheless, the firm foundation of God stands, having this seal, “The Lord knows those who are His,” and, “Everyone who names the name of the Lord is to abstain from wickedness.”
7Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 8He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
Jacksmack is a FALSE TEACHER, he says you can live like the devil and be saved??? what does the above verse say?
@patriotsfan1379 I beg to differ, big time. Deuteronomy 1:39 is discussing "THE PROMISED LAND". Do you know what that is in SPIRITUAL TERMS? Who gets to go to the PROMISED LAND in SPIRITUAL TERMS? SPIRITUAL ANSWER: Those who have FAITH (Caleb and Joshua), AND: Those who have NO KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL. Now, see Genesis Chapter 3. Before the FALL, Adam and Eve had NO KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL. That is LIFE'S PATTERN. There is no such thing as ORIGINAL SIN.
@chapmaned we know is descriving the promised land but we cannot just take any verse and make it say whatever we want apart from the context of the chapter! that is the fallacy of all arminians and humanists !!GOD is specifically talking about not knowing that particular sin not about being born in iniquity like the psalms do and other places in the bible !context context context
@patriotsfan1379 That is a standard Calvinist response that I have received time and time again. You all must use the same play book. There is something that is known as DISCERNING SPIRITUAL THINGS. Everything in the Old Test is two fold. One is carnal, and one is spiritual. In regards to PROMISED LAND, read Hebrews Chapter 11...all of it. The Promised land is HEAVEN FOR CHRISTIANS, PHYSICAL LAND OF ISRAEL FOR JEWS.
@patriotsfan1379 And, we take the whole book into context...not just the verse...not just the chapter, but the whole book, beginning with Genesis and ending with Revelation. That is how we put things into context.
@chapmaned it is ovious that you don't because this verse is not talking about original sin since its talking about kids already born a few yrs old so you are wrong psalms 58;3 psalms 51;5just to name a couple
@patriotsfan1379 Based on what I know about the definition of "original sin", children of any age are guilty of Adam's sin, & are held to account, whether they have knowledge of good & evil or not. According to 1 John 3:4, sin is the transgression of the law. Paul states, the law is the knowledge of sin...for until the law, sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed where there is no law...for where no law is, there is no transgression...Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not IMPUTE sin.
@chapmaned yea but it was david who said it therefore you are quoting david and when does a man die spiritually?? at what age does a person become accontable? that makes no sense
@patriotsfan1379 When did Adam and Eve die spiritually? Answer: When they got knowledge of Good and Evil. That is the prerequisite. That is why it is stated in Deu. 1:39 that the children had no knowledge of good and evil. They had not yet died spiritually. That is why they got to go to the "PROMISED LAND". I don't know why you keep insisting that I am quoting David. I quoted Paul to back my statements up with David. Read Romans Chapters 4-7.
@chapmaned rom ch4;7 is david from the psalms no when is a child or person than held accoutable? and if they never know anything about the bible like there are people in some parts of the world than are you saying that they go to heaven because of ignorance? lol
@patriotsfan1379 What are you talking about? "Read" Romans 4-7. SIN. SIN is what separates God from man. At the KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD & EVIL that separates God from Man. Until that time, all sin that you have done is NOT "IMPUTED". YES, I am saying that "IGNORANT" PEOPLE GO TO HEAVEN, based on Romans 2:12-16. Romans 4-7 shows that unless you KNOW the LAW, for by the law is the KNOWLEDGE of sin (Romans 3:20), then you are not held accountable, that the IGNORANT are judged by their consciences.
@chapmaned how can they go to heaven yet in an earlier post you said kids are held accountable who can't understand the concept of sin? are you saying that the mayan priests who sacrificed humans to their god are going to heaven cause they were ignorant of GODS law?they thought they were doing right
@patriotsfan1379 Romans Chapter 2. It discusses the conscience. God gave everyone a conscience. What do I have to do with the conscience of a dead society? God is the judge, not man. Romans Chapter 2. Gentiles who are NOT UNDER THE LAW are not judged by the law. Gentiles are judged by conscience. Your question's answer is in the bible.
@chapmaned God said He would spare the cities of S&G IF He found 10 righteous,well He didn't find 10,there were 4 that left,so if 6 more could have been found God would have spared them and if someone is innocent then they would be counted righteous and if Babies are righteous then God would have spared the cities.
@CBALLEN The Children were EXEMPT from the counting of ten. Didn't I say that already? The only people that God could count was those who had a CHOICE to be righteous. Babies don't choose anything. So how can babies be counted either way? Come on man!!
@chapmaned Lost people can't choose to be righteous sir,the Bible even tells us that a lost man can't even obey the commands of God,it says that it is impossible for a man without the spirit to obey.Would you like to see the verse?
@chapmaned I'm not saying that God can't cause a baby to believe in Christ,I believe God does the impossible,but I'm saying God says we are made guilty by our representative of mankind when he sinned,that's why babies die in the first place because of Adam's sin.
@CBALLEN You are a die hard Calvinist. I can see that. However, your premise is way off base. babies are not lost PERIOD. NO ONE BUT ADAM is guilty of Adams sin. The ONLY THING past on to the descendants of Adam was death, not guilt. You used the word "cause" in your first sentence. NO, it don't work that way. God doesn't "cause" a baby to believe in anything. Babies don't have the ability to reason, so how can they "believe" anything at all? They can't. They don't have KNOWLEDGE.
@CBALLEN A classic Calvinistic response. Unfortunately for those who accuse those of heresy reads only part of the bible, and leaves out "the rest of the story".
@CBALLEN That is another classic Calvinistic response. That isn't true. David Cried out to God, and he wasn't born again. No one was born again until after Jesus died on the cross, RESTORING the relationship between man and God.
@chapmaned The old testament saints were saved by putting their faith in the Messiah to come,that's how they were saved and yes,David was saved by God at an earlier age.No man wants or seeks for God unless God has regenerated them.The Bible also says the natural man(unsaved0 1Cor 2:14 NEITHER CAN KNOW OR UNDERSTAND THE THINGS OF THE SPIRIT CAUSE THEY ARE SPIRITUALLY DISCERNED,meaning only those with God's spirit imputed to them will understand and want salvation.
@CBALLEN WRONG. The Bible makes it clear that the OLD TEST brings death. There is NO FAITH in the law. And NO, David was NOT SAVED until Jesus died on the cross. No one was saved until Jesus died on the cross. And Calvinists misuse that word "regenerated". That is not a concept in the bible. Sanctification is where God changes you to THINK DIFFERENTLY, so that your actions REFLECT that of God. Calvinists really don't spiritually discern things. It isn't discussing salvation.
@chapmaned What you're saying is that a person can theoretically be sinless and not need Christ.Paul says this is impossible,none are good,none seek the Lord,none are righteous,no not one,babies included.
@chapmaned I know what impute means and Adams sin nature was imputed to us all.Through Adam sin came and through sin death came so we all die for Adam's sin.
@CBALLEN However, you place GUILT in the equation. We are NOT GUILTY OF ANYONE'S SIN but our own. And, due to the guilt that you place on everyone "FOR" Adam's sin, everyone is hellbound. But that isn't what the Bible teaches. Except, if you are a Calvinist.
@CBALLEN You are right. The bible gives NO AGE of accountability. but it does state that one must have KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL. Remember that tree in the Garden of Eden? What was the name of that tree?
@CBALLEN The ONLY ones needing to be born again are those who are spiritually dead. Again, babies are not spiritually dead. They don't spiritually die until they get knowledge of good and evil. That is really what the Bible says.
@CBALLEN NO, we are not born spiritually dead. We die when we get knowledge of good and evil. That was the name of the tree. That is what Deu. 1:39 states. That is what Romans 7 states. Paul said that before the law, he was ALIVE, but when the commandment came, he died. You don't die until KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL. We are not born WITH SIN, we are born IN sin. You can't be born again until you first die. Before that, you are not lost.
@CBALLEN Federal head? What kind of language is that? Is that an official Calvinist language? Federal head? I don't get it. Sin entered the world because sin was supposed to enter the world. The book of Revelation states that Jesus is the lamb slain from the foundation of the earth. That is before Adam. Jesus is the only one sinless, and how would the Bible read if Adam didn't sin? For all have sinned, except for Adam? Then Jesus would not need to die on the cross if Adam could do it.
@chapmaned Romans 8:7 For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God’s law; indeed, it cannot.So if the fleshly unsaved man cannot obey God's command to repent and believe the gospel,then it means God must impute His Spirit into a man before he ever will repent and believe as God has commanded.
@CBALLEN Do Christians sin? YES. Are Christians saved? YES. So what are you talking about in regards to salvation? First of all, WE ARE NOT LOST UNTIL WE GET KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL. PERIOD. No need for salvation for people that fall into that catagory. They are not lost, until they die. The IMPUTATION of God's spirit is AFTER salvation, and NOT BEFORE. The WORD OF GOD (Bible, or those preaching the word) brings us to God.
@chapmaned The Bible says in PS.58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb; they go astray from birth, speaking lies.Are they counted righteous from the womb?
@CBALLEN And what does Deuteronomy 1:39 state? It states that babies go to heaven. You won't see that until you discern that the PROMISED LAND is not just the physical land of Israel, but a SPIRITUAL story of heaven. Who gets to go to the promised land? Answer CALEB AND JOSHUA, AND...DEUTERONOMY 1:39. (FAITH, AND NO KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL). Also, read Romans Chapters 2-7. Calvinists can only come up with Ps. 58:3, when that isn't the REST OF THE STORY.
@chapmaned even thought they were ignorant of the law that does not make what they were doing right !! their concience bore witness to their wrong ding therefore condemming them justyfing GOD as a right judge to send them to hell !! no where in scripture does it say these people were going to heaven you are a heretic !!
@patriotsfan1379 We are heirs to the promise given to Abraham. What was the Promise? LAND. The physical land of Israel, with specific borders, given to those of the family line of Isaac, rather than to Ishmael. The purpose of circumcision was to show that the promise goes thru Isaac, rather than Ishmael. We are heirs to the promise of the PROMISED LAND. That promised land is Heaven. Christians are circumcised in the heart. The Jews, the flesh. Flesh=Israel, heart=Heaven.
@patriotsfan1379 And until you see that, then you will just stick with your doctrines that it does not say heaven. But, you can back it up with the mid to latter part of Hebrews 11. The promise is twofold. Carnal, and Spiritual. Carnal = Physical land of Israel with specific borders. Spiritual is heaven. If you are only looking at the carnal, you miss the story. And...Romans Chapter 2 discusses GENTILES who are without law, that their conscience is what judges them.
@chapmaned So if people haven't sinned yet,such as babies,then they would automatically would be counted as innocent and righteous?If this is true,then why did all babies die in the flood and remember,God couldn't even find 10 righteous to spare Sodom & Gomorrah,surely there was 10 babies in 2 cities?.
@CBALLEN Ask God why babies died in Sodom and Gomorrah/flood. Death of the body means nothing. Babies don't have a choice to choose right and wrong, or good and evil. They are exempt from the counting of 10 righteous. Jesus said that evil comes from the heart. If evil comes from the heart, that indicates that you must CHOOSE to do evil. Babies cannot choose anything. You make it sound as if the babies are guilty of something. What are they guilty of, prosecuting attorney?
@patriotsfan1379 The only thing from Adam's sin that passed to us was dying spiritually, not born spiritually dead. Paul discusses this, that he was alive before the law. Once the law came for him, he died. Then after you spiritually die, you are in need of being born again. You are born into this world spiritually alive...then you die, then you need to be born again. You are not born dead.
@patriotsfan1379 Look up the exact phrase "good and evil". Without knowledge of Good and Evil, you are not held accountable to your sins, until you have knowledge. Romans Chapters 4-7 also discusses this. This is why those in Deu 1:39 had no knowledge of good and evil. Besides, WE ARE BORN "IN" SIN, NOT WITH SIN.
@patriotsfan1379 Only those who fall under the law are held accountable. Read Romans Chapter 2 verses 12-15. Those not under the law will not be judged by the law. They are judged by their conscience, the law written in their hearts, not the law of Moses.
@patriotsfan1379 Those who "REJECT" Jesus are under the law. Christians are not under the law. Those Amazon people with bones in their noses who never heard of Jesus are not under the law.
I Am a Calvinist myself, but are we Really showing the Love of Christ by slandering each other as Christians? Don't the atheists have enough reason to point fingers at us without giving them more reasons. One thing all true Christians can agree on is Jesus is God, why do we all have to fight and make the world hate us even more?
Jacksmack needs to study his arguement. And haha, at his above comment. I quote, "We, as Christians need to repent of our sins on a daily basis!". Another quote, well as a matter of fact, a 'Sermon' of His. "You can live like the devil, and still be saved." Hmmm. Right. Well, atleast I dont have to take heed to Christs' words. Or Pauls. Or really, anyones. Galations 2:20, nope. Romans 6:6. Why would I? I believe you embarase 1 Peter 1:18 also. Oh, and Mark 10:21. Not needed. Hmph... God Bless.
you need to repent and get saved. You are in no way showing the love of God. I do not agree with arminianism but i don't name call like a child or bash them.
I don't know where Arminian/Pelagian heretics get the idea that Calvinism teaches we are to just sit around and twirl our thumbs. All the Calvinists I know, as do I, share the Gospel everywhere we go. It's obvious to me, that Arminians can only argue against fictitious straw men they merely call 'Calvinists' - which none of us are.
For them to have to answer to God, for all their slander of Calvinists, will be a frightful day much to be feared. May God grant them repentance.
I don't oppose repentance! I just don't add it as a requirement for salvation. if a person is worshiping something false he needs to repent of this idol and believe the gospel. We, as Christians need to repent of our sins on a daily basis! Get a life. I will not waste my time arguing anymore!
@fivepointbaptist Agreed! Prevenient Grace is another word for works righteousness. Jack, if you are reading this, believe because God first saves (and did not make a process for us to adhere to to be saved, i.e. Prevenient Grace/Works Righteousness) We are not saved because we first believed.
@jacksmack77 Get a life? I have a life. I am a slave for Jesus Christ and His Gospel. I am glad that you do not want to argue any more especially when you argue against the Word of God. It is a waste of your time to argue against the word of God. Do you still believe Lewis Sperry Chafer's quote “Nobody has ever been saved by a message of repentance"? Or do you believe Matthew 4:17, Acts 2:37-38, and Luke 13:3. Believing both Chafer's quote and the bible is not compatible.
@jacksmack77 Also, Jack, show me some examples of salvation apart from the presence of repentance in the bible. Who grants repentance Jack? Is it not God. Monergism Jack, NOT Synergism. It matters and that is why you are angry and confused. 2 Timothy 2:25 "In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;"
and all chosen for eternal life believed.Acts 13:48
CBALLEN 1 month ago
@CBALLEN It does not say "chosen", unless, of course you are using the NASB? It states "ORDAINED" in mine. How is one ordained? Faith comes by hearing. They heard. They believed. They got eternal life. They got eternal life because they believed. They didn't get eternal life and then believed.
chapmaned 1 month ago
@chapmaned Ordained,appointed,chosen ect,means the same in this context,it was all done by God before creation.And yes I know old testament SAINTS went there until Jesus took them to Heaven,but the rich man went to Hell and it could be seen from Abraham's bosom.
CBALLEN 1 month ago
@CBALLEN No, it doesn't. There is no word called "chosen" within the definition. Also, I explained Romans Chapter 2 to you. We all have a conscience. And everyone who is and was a Gentile is judged by their conscience. Romans Chapter 2. Those under the law, are judged by the law. Not everyone is under the law.
chapmaned 1 month ago
@chapmaned You've got some strange ideas,they're certainly not orthodox,or recognized by the early church or the protestants of the reformation,you just make it up as you go.You're done here,this is foolishness.
CBALLEN 1 month ago
@CBALLEN Romans Chapter 2. Romans Chapters 4-7. Romans Chapter 11. You also need to understand. Calvin was a former Catholic. He brought in a form of Catholicism with him. Catholicism is of pagan origin. He didn't fully give up everything in that wicked religion. While I say God Bless Luther, and God bless Calvin for the reformation, they weren't correct in everything. All I can say to you is to STUDY the Book of Romans, setting aside your Calvinist belief system.
chapmaned 1 month ago
@chapmaned Proverbs 20:24 A man's steps are directed by the LORD. How then can anyone understand his own way?Proverbs 16:1 To man belong the plans of the heart, but from the LORD comes the reply of the tongue.Proverbs 16:9 In his heart a man plans his course, but the LORD determines his steps Prv 21:1.he king’s heart is a stream of water in the hand of the LORD; he turns it wherever he will.
Where is man's free will in these verses?
CBALLEN 1 month ago
@CBALLEN Only a man that is a follower of God is the steps directed by God. How you twist scripture is weird. The book of Proverbs was written by who? The person who wrote it, was a follower of God, not a non-follower of God.
chapmaned 1 month ago
@CBALLEN And you say that I have strange beliefs? Any religion that thinks that Babies have the capability to sin, and the ability to suffer for all eternity in hell fire is strange beliefs. Deuteronomy 1:39 debunks that theory.
chapmaned 1 month ago
@chapmaned You don't even realize that you still are a Roman Catholic,they just have a few more works than you,but works is how you believe man is saved for sure.All R.Cs. are Arminian,if fact,they rejoiced when they infiltrated the protestant churches in America and swayed them into believing that Arminanism was the truth.There's documentation of them celebrating this in Rome,poor fellow.The first churches to come to America were reformed,Arminianism has only been in America for 200 or so yrs.
CBALLEN 1 month ago
@CBALLEN Works is the ACT of obeying the law. Where do you people come up with words such as Arminian? Who the hell are they? I am a Christian. I am not a Calvinist, nor a Lutheran. Just a Christian. I have no clue what Arminians believe. I BELIEVE THE BIBLE ALONE. We are not saved by works (OBEYING THE LAW OF MOSES). We are saved by NOT OBEYING THE LAW OF MOSES. The opposite of OBEYING THE LAW OF MOSES is GRACE (NO WORKS). ROMANS CHAPTER 4. You have a problem with ROMANS.
chapmaned 1 month ago
@chapmaned Anyone who holds to a man centered gospel and believes man is the captain of his own salvation and life, is an Arminian.Reformed people know we are just lost sinners that God chose to save.We know that we are no different than people in Hell,we know that if it were not for God's grace alone we would be in Hell.We know that salvation didn't depend on our DECISION,that our faith was granted to us without any works on or part.We are grateful to God for everything& WE DESERVE NO GLORY.
CBALLEN 1 month ago
@chapmaned Our works are even caused by God,He causes us to will and do good works,that's His proof to Believers that He has actually made us born again.God does everything pretty much opposite of the way man does things,that's why He chooses who will believe.Natural (lost)men can only choose a false god to worship and most Protestant churches preach a false Jesus,they preach of a Jesus whose done all he can and he wants all people to choose him but they're thwarting his will left and right.
CBALLEN 1 month ago
@CBALLEN WHAT!?
cuttingedg3 1 month ago
@chapmaned Arminians always say things like,accepting Jesus is the best decision I ever made.Hey,it's your choice,either you decide to make Jesus your Savior or you don't.No one makes Jesus their Savior,Either He causes ones salvation or He doesn't.God commands all men to repent and believe and all of God's chosen will turn to Christ,but the goats will not,ever.This is God's will that His word save His people and repel the goats.
CBALLEN 1 month ago
@chapmaned So how is it that you think Jesus died for people in Hell ? This is why one has to understand ALL MEN in context you must know,in most places it meant kinds of men,Gentiles ,Jews,fat,skinny,poor,rich,soldiers,civilians,and not all men who have ever lived.Is the love of money the root of all evil?Or all kinds of evil?Did Adam 's sin involve money?
CBALLEN 1 month ago
@CBALLEN My question to you is this. Are you judging who is in hell, and who isn't? What gives you that authority? I am saying what the Bible states. You have no authority to judge another mans conscience. That is reserved for God alone. Romans Chapter 2. Rejecting God is a sure means for hell.
chapmaned 1 month ago
God needs no human's permission to save them at all.Look at Paul for example,he was merrily on his way to kill Christians when God played a cruel trick on him and turned him into one.Paul was certainly not looking to believe in Jesus and after Jesus told him who He was,He proceeded to tell Paul what the rest of his life's mission would be,Jesus didn't even ask him what he thought about it,it was a command about how it would be.
CBALLEN 1 month ago
@CBALLEN Jesus "revealed himself" to Saul. Saul asked, WHO ARE YOU "LORD". God reveals himself thru various means...HIS WORD. It had nothing to do with CHOOSING to SAVE Paul. Paul was already a worshiper of God. He was blameless in the law.
chapmaned 1 month ago
@CBALLEN Paul was a sinner like the rest of us in need of a Savior,no one can be saved by the Law.
CBALLEN 1 month ago
We are saved by Grace through faith by God alone,but Arminians turn that around and believe we are saved by faith through Grace,meaning,they believe man musters up faith within himself and then trades it to God so he can them be born again.
CBALLEN 1 month ago
@CBALLEN No, that is not what we believe. You twist what we believe. We believe that you are saved by faith thru grace. Grace is given to all who believe. Grace is the opposite of the law. Either you are under the law, or, you are under grace. Law = wage, Grace = no wage. Romans Chapter 4. We are saved by faith (Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things unseen) through NOT being under the law of Moses (Grace). You misuse the word GRACE.
chapmaned 1 month ago
@chapmaned " You twist what we believe. We believe that you are saved by faith thru grace"
lol,that's what I said you believe,opposite of what scripture teaches.
Eph 2:8For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,
CBALLEN 1 month ago
@CBALLEN No, you only give part of the story. You don't finish the subject of predestination.
chapmaned 1 month ago
@chapmaned God has planned everything that comes to pass,even this discussion,he's either going to change you or He's going to let you be one that says,Lord,Lord didn't I DO this and that for my salvation?
CBALLEN 1 month ago
@CBALLEN He planned on Man to have free will.
chapmaned 1 month ago
@chapmaned So God chose Christians before the world to be saved?What Christians,what are their names?All who Jesus died for will be saved,all that He did not die for will be in Hell.Remember,there were people in Hell while Jesus walked the Earth,Jesus never died for their sins or else He did and God is charging them double making them pay again for sins that have been paid for.
CBALLEN 1 month ago
@CBALLEN No, he chose the saved to glorify him. He did not choose whom he is going to save.
chapmaned 1 month ago
@CBALLEN Jesus died for the sins of everyone. For before the law, sin was in the world, but sin is NOT COUNTED where there is no law. But, before the law, people had a conscience. Gentiles who have not the law, are judged by their conscience, and before Abraham, everyone was a Gentile.
chapmaned 1 month ago
@CBALLEN When the people with a clear conscience died, including Jews (Remember Samuel?), they went to a place called Abraham's Bosom. They are now in heaven with Jesus, as he set the prisoners free, from Abraham's Bosom, and led captivity captive.
chapmaned 1 month ago
@chapmaned So if it is man that musters up faith to trade to God for salvation(grace),then salvation depends on man and you have a right to boast,so you just hung yourself by your own admission.
CBALLEN 1 month ago
@CBALLEN How do you come up with that conclusion? Faith comes by HEARING, not by forcing. Faith is the substance of things hoped for. We are saved by HOPE (Romans 8:24). You have a distorted view of grace.
chapmaned 1 month ago
Why did Jesus hide the kingdon of Heaven secrets from many of the Jews so they couldn't be saved?
CBALLEN 1 month ago
@CBALLEN Romans 11.
chapmaned 1 month ago
@chapmaned Why did Jesus hide the truth of salvation from the Jews to keep them from being saved?
CBALLEN 1 month ago
So then you know that God knew who would be in Heaven and who would be in Hell before He ever created them ,right?So since God has this perfect knowledge why didn't He cancell the births of the one who would not be saved to save them the pain of Hell?And why do you think He's still patiently trying to save these goats?
CBALLEN 1 month ago
@CBALLEN Whether he does, or whether he doesn't, God gave man free will.
chapmaned 1 month ago
22 What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath—prepared for destruction? 23 What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory— 24 even us, whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles?
CBALLEN 1 month ago
@CBALLEN What does that have to do with salvation? NOTHING. You think that the Pharaoh went to Hell fire, right? Why? Because God used him for destruction? Well, the Bible states that Before the law, sin was in the world, but sin is not counted against you where there is no law. Also, read Romans 2. Gentiles not under the law, are not judged by the law, but by their conscience. YOU only stick to a few verses to support your doctrines without studying the REST OF THE STORY.
chapmaned 1 month ago
@CBALLEN You would have been better off staying armenian.
chapmaned 1 month ago
@chapmaned Jesus said that Men are not able to believe in Him unless the father who sent Him draws them and then He will raise them all up on the last day.This proves man has no free will in salvation unless God causes it and when God causes it they all get saved and kept by Jesus until their glorification.
CBALLEN 1 month ago
@CBALLEN And how does he do it? Thru his word. Someone must preach the word to them. But what does that have to do with SALVATION? Those naked amazon people with bones in their noses that never heard of God will be judged by their conscience. Romans Chapter 2.
chapmaned 1 month ago
@chapmaned No,Jesus willfully kept the Jews from receiving the kingdom of salvation by preaching in parables they couldn't understand on purpose so they would remain blind and lost.
CBALLEN 1 month ago
@CBALLEN Jesus said to the Pharisees, "IF you were blind, you would have no sin, but since you claim that you see, your sin remains." I now reiterate, ROMANS 11.
chapmaned 1 month ago
@CBALLEN It is obvious to me that you have a problem with the book of Romans.
chapmaned 1 month ago
@chapmaned Well,maybe God will visit you in a dream and straighten you out tonight and show you the truth.God Bless
CBALLEN 1 month ago
@CBALLEN That is just too cliche. But, same back at ya.
chapmaned 1 month ago
What you are demonstrating as that you are not getting your doctrine from scripture you're trying to twist scripture to say what your doctrine says.I was an Arminian for 14 yrs before God opened my eyes and taught me the truth.Not one person that Jesus died for will end up in Hell.You also never answered.Does God know all things?
CBALLEN 1 month ago
@CBALLEN On the contrary. Everything I state is in the Bible. What Calvinists do is what they accuse others of doing. I could care less about the word Arminian. Christianity existed long before strange words. And, if you care to debate it, Jesus was Arminian. You are trained to believe your doctrines. Fine. You are wrong. God gave us free will. That is in the Bible.
chapmaned 1 month ago
Isaiah 55:11 so shall my word be that goes out from my mouth; it shall not return to me empty, but it shall accomplish that which I purpose, and shall succeed in the thing for which I sent it.
Does everyone who hears the gospel repent and believe? No,but the verse says that every time God's word goes out it always accomplishes what it was sent out to do.The answer is,it always draws the sheep to God or closer to God and it repels the goats at the same time
CBALLEN 1 month ago
@CBALLEN IT IS THERE CHOICE...NOT GOD'S CHOICE. God knows what man will CHOOSE, but the choice is man's..not God's. CHOOSE THIS DAY WHOM YOU WILL SERVE.
chapmaned 1 month ago
@chapmaned context context !! who is he talking to?? not the amorites nor the amelekites !! no he is talking to ISREAL and only IRAEL whom in the mist of them were some true believers like Joshua !! you cannot take this verse and aply it to anyone or everyone you are a heretic
patriotsfan1379 1 month ago
@patriotsfan1379 It's very telling how the pelagians and semi-pelagians twist scripture anyway they want,whatever suits there doctrine is how they'll use it.
CBALLEN 1 month ago
@CBALLEN And we say the same about Calvinists, too. It's just way too cliche.
chapmaned 1 month ago
@CBALLEN you are sooo right !! I once used to hate reformed doctrine just like them and it took a long time for me to understand it all by GODS grace opening my understanding so I know how these arminians or shall we say enlightened humanists twist scripture!! thnx so much for your comments they are always right on target may GOD bless you
patriotsfan1379 1 month ago
@patriotsfan1379 That is only because you have "itching ears". Your grace is not discussed in the Bible. You have an additional word inserted prior to the word grace. That kind of grace is not discussed in the Bible.
chapmaned 1 month ago
@patriotsfan1379 Thank you brother,I was exactly the same way too,so I know how frustrating it was for others who spoke to me when I was deceived and thought my way WAS THE ONLY WAY of understanding the Bible.Now I look back and shutter especially when I believed that I couldn't be deceived when I was an Arminian Christian.
CBALLEN 1 month ago
@patriotsfan1379 Arminians can't understand that God has always had a chosen people reserved for Heaven,especially when the OT was proof of this.They never stop to think that probably 99% percent of Gentiles went to Hell without God even sending them any Gentile prophets and He sent very few Jewish ones to them.
CBALLEN 1 month ago
@CBALLEN There is no such thing as God choosing people to be saved, and choosing people to not be saved. Gentiles do NOT go to hell who have no knowledge of good and evil. They are without law, and are judged by their conscience. Romans Chapter 2. Also, for the Jews, Romans chapter 11.
chapmaned 1 month ago
@chapmaned Eph. 1 Is where Paul is addressing believers ONLY and he tells them why they became believers from God point of view,it even covers the fact that God had chosen them before the world was made .It say He chose them,not on any foreseen faith,but by the counsel of His will alone.So if you think God looked through time and chose the choosers,you're wrong.
CBALLEN 1 month ago
@CBALLEN You misunderstand Ephesians 1. That is classic. He did not choose INDIVIDUALS. If all you read it verse 11, then you miss it. It states that we (Christians) are predestined to (Verse 12) That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. In other words, CHRISTIANS WERE PREDESTINED TO BE THE PRAISE OF HIS GLORY...Not that individuals are predestined.
chapmaned 1 month ago
@chapmaned lol, Christians are individuals,the church is made up of individual Christians.Look,God Himself must change your heart,I only need to give you scripture to plant a seed,so it's God's job to convert you on your flawed thinking,not me.I and Patriot fan have given you the truth so if you trample it under feet then you may not know God,I don't know.
CBALLEN 1 month ago
@CBALLEN Christians as a whole, not individuals. That is the subject.
chapmaned 1 month ago
@patriotsfan1379 Oh, yes we can. The Jews and the stories within the Hebrew scriptures are a SHADOW of things to come to pass IN SPIRITUAL form. If it is discussing Israel, as you say, it is discussing Christianity, as I say. You see the carnal, i.e., the physical land of Israel, and non-calvinists see the spiritual, i.e. heaven. Hebrews Chapter 4. You talk "context", and you don't put the whole book into context.
chapmaned 1 month ago
@patriotsfan1379 I said Hebrews Chapter 4...oops...Correction...Hebrews 11.
chapmaned 1 month ago
Do you believe that God knows all things about everyone,even before He created them?
CBALLEN 1 month ago
@CBALLEN I believe that God gave man FREE WILL. I don't believe in the Calvinist PREDESTINATION. I believe that the ACTIONS of Christians were predestined, not that certain people were PREDESTINED to be saved. I believe that God's plans in regards to prophecy is based on his knowledge of what man chooses to do, rather than God choosing for the man to do them.
chapmaned 1 month ago
Act 13:48 When the Gentiles heard this, they were very glad and thanked the Lord for his message; and all who were chosen for eternal life- became believers.
Notice what's being said? only all who were chosen(by God)for eternal life believed.It doesn't say all who believed were then chosen for eternal life.
CBALLEN 1 month ago
@CBALLEN Awe, the INFAMOUS choose chosen thing, huh? We are all chosen to believe. It is our choice to not believe. It is not God's choice for us to not believe. That is where Calvinists skew the word of God with the infamous choose chosen doctrines.
chapmaned 1 month ago
so much stupidity
maldorra 1 month ago
arminians if the lord God were to reveal himself the way the reformed faith beleives; will you still worship him?...i think not"
Erap1muzik 2 months ago
Street preacher lies big time @ 1:50 "Christ died for "His" people?"
No, sorry, close as Uranus. For all (1st Timothy 2:6; Isaiah 53:6). For every man (Heb. 2:9). For the world (John 3:16). For the sins of the whole world (1 John 2:2). For the ungodly (Rom. 5:6). For false teachers (2 Peter 2:1). For many (Matthew 20:28). For Israel (John 11:50-51). For the Church (Eph. 5:25). For "me" (Gal. 2:20).
gore53 2 months ago
@gore53 Matthew 1:21 "She will bear a Son; and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save HIS PEOPLE from their sins.”
fivepointbaptist 2 months ago
@fivepointbaptist At the time that Jesus said that, Gentiles were NOT his people.
Matthew 10:5-7
...Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Matthew 15:24
...I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Acts 26:23
...and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.
Romans 9:25 (also 26)
...I will call them my people, which were not my people
chapmaned 2 months ago
@chapmaned Thanks for proving my point! "I will call the MY PEOPLE, which were not my people."
If they are "My people," then they are also "His people."
fivepointbaptist 2 months ago
@fivepointbaptist But you are missing my point and gore53's point. The Gentiles are "HIS PEOPLE" now. How did I prove YOUR point? There is only Jews and Gentiles. Not what you define as "ELECT".
chapmaned 2 months ago
@chapmaned Your point was that the preacher in question lied when they used "His people." I have demonstrated that scripture speaks of His/My people. Thus, YOU are the liar and need to repent.
fivepointbaptist 2 months ago
@fivepointbaptist Based on the scriptures that Both myself and Gore53 provided, Both Jews and Gentiles are HIS PEOPLE. So what is your point in calling me the liar in need of repenting. I quoted scripture. We are all his people.
Acts 28:28 Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles...
Romans 3:29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also.
chapmaned 2 months ago
@chapmaned I am sorry, but I can only point out your error, I can't help you understand it.
fivepointbaptist 2 months ago
@fivepointbaptist The only error is in your definition of "HIS PEOPLE" and "MY PEOPLE". It is ONLY JEWS AND GENTILES. The Jews were under the law, the Gentiles were not. That is why it is said "HIS PEOPLE". His people were under the law. Now we are all HIS PEOPLE, under Christ, there is no JEW/GENTILE. NOT UNDER CHRIST, THERE IS JEW/GENTILE. You have a lot to learn in regards to JEW and Gentile.
chapmaned 2 months ago
These men in this video are preachin false doctrine its a dcotrine of works they preeach that we have to turn away from all of out sins but John 3:16 states this For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Lisen we all lied we have done all of these things But thought Christ its all paid for once we trust in him and him alone all this repent of ur sins is garbage.
MMarvel22 2 months ago
@MMarvel22 "all this repent of ur sins is garbage."
Are you being serious?
SaintsEdified 2 months ago
@MMarvel22 really? Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
ReformedEklektos 2 months ago
@MMarvel22 1st jhon 1;8,9,10 "" IF WE SAY WE HAVE NO SIN, WE DECIEVE OURSELVES,AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN US.""IF WE CONFESS OUR SINS,HE IS FAITHFULL AND JUST TO FORGIVE US OUR SINS AND TO CLEANSE US FROM ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS. "" IF WE SAY WE HAVE NOT SINNED, WE MAKE HIM A LIAR,AND HIS WORD IS NOT IN US"" jhon 3;16 is not the whole gospel nor is it doctrine in of itself !! you need to read the whole chapter!! and stop spreading lies!!
patriotsfan1379 2 months ago
Jesus paid it alll we are not saved by work but my Grace
MMarvel22 2 months ago
To whom it may concern: Repentance comes from the greek word 'metannoia' which refers to "a renewal of the mind". It means that one has to view his acts of disobedience towards God as sinful and ask for His forgiveness (which he shall recieve through the blood of Jesus Christ). Repentance doesn't mean to actually stop sinning because no one can do that, we sin all our lives. And most of the time we sin willfully. So yeah, those who sin and do not repent, are demonic. Like everything sinful.
eliza7ioana 4 months ago
Sigh...
Domodeath 5 months ago
2 Timothy 2:19
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
19 Nevertheless, the firm foundation of God stands, having this seal, “The Lord knows those who are His,” and, “Everyone who names the name of the Lord is to abstain from wickedness.”
jaymangoinup 7 months ago
Matthew 7:23
And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’
jaymangoinup 7 months ago
7Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 8He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
Jacksmack is a FALSE TEACHER, he says you can live like the devil and be saved??? what does the above verse say?
jaymangoinup 7 months ago
Deuteronomy 1:39 proves that there is no such thing as the doctrine of Original Sin.
chapmaned 7 months ago
@chapmaned thats not talking about original sin!! its talking about having knowledge or understanding of what their fathers had not done or believed
patriotsfan1379 2 months ago
@patriotsfan1379 I beg to differ, big time. Deuteronomy 1:39 is discussing "THE PROMISED LAND". Do you know what that is in SPIRITUAL TERMS? Who gets to go to the PROMISED LAND in SPIRITUAL TERMS? SPIRITUAL ANSWER: Those who have FAITH (Caleb and Joshua), AND: Those who have NO KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL. Now, see Genesis Chapter 3. Before the FALL, Adam and Eve had NO KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL. That is LIFE'S PATTERN. There is no such thing as ORIGINAL SIN.
chapmaned 2 months ago
@chapmaned we know is descriving the promised land but we cannot just take any verse and make it say whatever we want apart from the context of the chapter! that is the fallacy of all arminians and humanists !!GOD is specifically talking about not knowing that particular sin not about being born in iniquity like the psalms do and other places in the bible !context context context
patriotsfan1379 2 months ago
@patriotsfan1379 That is a standard Calvinist response that I have received time and time again. You all must use the same play book. There is something that is known as DISCERNING SPIRITUAL THINGS. Everything in the Old Test is two fold. One is carnal, and one is spiritual. In regards to PROMISED LAND, read Hebrews Chapter 11...all of it. The Promised land is HEAVEN FOR CHRISTIANS, PHYSICAL LAND OF ISRAEL FOR JEWS.
chapmaned 2 months ago
@patriotsfan1379 And, we take the whole book into context...not just the verse...not just the chapter, but the whole book, beginning with Genesis and ending with Revelation. That is how we put things into context.
chapmaned 2 months ago
@chapmaned it is ovious that you don't because this verse is not talking about original sin since its talking about kids already born a few yrs old so you are wrong psalms 58;3 psalms 51;5just to name a couple
patriotsfan1379 2 months ago
@patriotsfan1379 Based on what I know about the definition of "original sin", children of any age are guilty of Adam's sin, & are held to account, whether they have knowledge of good & evil or not. According to 1 John 3:4, sin is the transgression of the law. Paul states, the law is the knowledge of sin...for until the law, sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed where there is no law...for where no law is, there is no transgression...Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not IMPUTE sin.
chapmaned 2 months ago
@chapmaned you are quoting david and any man who is justified by faith that has nothing to do with we being born with sin
patriotsfan1379 2 months ago
@patriotsfan1379 No, I am quoting Paul, Romans 4-7.
chapmaned 2 months ago
@chapmaned yea but it was david who said it therefore you are quoting david and when does a man die spiritually?? at what age does a person become accontable? that makes no sense
patriotsfan1379 2 months ago
@patriotsfan1379 When did Adam and Eve die spiritually? Answer: When they got knowledge of Good and Evil. That is the prerequisite. That is why it is stated in Deu. 1:39 that the children had no knowledge of good and evil. They had not yet died spiritually. That is why they got to go to the "PROMISED LAND". I don't know why you keep insisting that I am quoting David. I quoted Paul to back my statements up with David. Read Romans Chapters 4-7.
chapmaned 2 months ago
@chapmaned rom ch4;7 is david from the psalms no when is a child or person than held accoutable? and if they never know anything about the bible like there are people in some parts of the world than are you saying that they go to heaven because of ignorance? lol
patriotsfan1379 2 months ago
@patriotsfan1379 What are you talking about? "Read" Romans 4-7. SIN. SIN is what separates God from man. At the KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD & EVIL that separates God from Man. Until that time, all sin that you have done is NOT "IMPUTED". YES, I am saying that "IGNORANT" PEOPLE GO TO HEAVEN, based on Romans 2:12-16. Romans 4-7 shows that unless you KNOW the LAW, for by the law is the KNOWLEDGE of sin (Romans 3:20), then you are not held accountable, that the IGNORANT are judged by their consciences.
chapmaned 2 months ago
@chapmaned how can they go to heaven yet in an earlier post you said kids are held accountable who can't understand the concept of sin? are you saying that the mayan priests who sacrificed humans to their god are going to heaven cause they were ignorant of GODS law?they thought they were doing right
patriotsfan1379 2 months ago
@patriotsfan1379 Romans Chapter 2. It discusses the conscience. God gave everyone a conscience. What do I have to do with the conscience of a dead society? God is the judge, not man. Romans Chapter 2. Gentiles who are NOT UNDER THE LAW are not judged by the law. Gentiles are judged by conscience. Your question's answer is in the bible.
chapmaned 1 month ago
@chapmaned God said He would spare the cities of S&G IF He found 10 righteous,well He didn't find 10,there were 4 that left,so if 6 more could have been found God would have spared them and if someone is innocent then they would be counted righteous and if Babies are righteous then God would have spared the cities.
CBALLEN 1 month ago
@CBALLEN The Children were EXEMPT from the counting of ten. Didn't I say that already? The only people that God could count was those who had a CHOICE to be righteous. Babies don't choose anything. So how can babies be counted either way? Come on man!!
chapmaned 1 month ago
@chapmaned Lost people can't choose to be righteous sir,the Bible even tells us that a lost man can't even obey the commands of God,it says that it is impossible for a man without the spirit to obey.Would you like to see the verse?
CBALLEN 1 month ago
@CBALLEN Babies are not lost.
chapmaned 1 month ago
@chapmaned I'm not saying that God can't cause a baby to believe in Christ,I believe God does the impossible,but I'm saying God says we are made guilty by our representative of mankind when he sinned,that's why babies die in the first place because of Adam's sin.
CBALLEN 1 month ago
@CBALLEN You are a die hard Calvinist. I can see that. However, your premise is way off base. babies are not lost PERIOD. NO ONE BUT ADAM is guilty of Adams sin. The ONLY THING past on to the descendants of Adam was death, not guilt. You used the word "cause" in your first sentence. NO, it don't work that way. God doesn't "cause" a baby to believe in anything. Babies don't have the ability to reason, so how can they "believe" anything at all? They can't. They don't have KNOWLEDGE.
chapmaned 1 month ago
@chapmaned You're a pelagian and that was deemed heresy a long time ago.
CBALLEN 1 month ago
@CBALLEN A classic Calvinistic response. Unfortunately for those who accuse those of heresy reads only part of the bible, and leaves out "the rest of the story".
chapmaned 1 month ago
@chapmaned Here's the thing I believe you are missing.A baby can only cry after it's birth,a man can only cry out to God after his rebirth.
CBALLEN 1 month ago
@CBALLEN That is another classic Calvinistic response. That isn't true. David Cried out to God, and he wasn't born again. No one was born again until after Jesus died on the cross, RESTORING the relationship between man and God.
chapmaned 1 month ago
@chapmaned The old testament saints were saved by putting their faith in the Messiah to come,that's how they were saved and yes,David was saved by God at an earlier age.No man wants or seeks for God unless God has regenerated them.The Bible also says the natural man(unsaved0 1Cor 2:14 NEITHER CAN KNOW OR UNDERSTAND THE THINGS OF THE SPIRIT CAUSE THEY ARE SPIRITUALLY DISCERNED,meaning only those with God's spirit imputed to them will understand and want salvation.
CBALLEN 1 month ago
@CBALLEN WRONG. The Bible makes it clear that the OLD TEST brings death. There is NO FAITH in the law. And NO, David was NOT SAVED until Jesus died on the cross. No one was saved until Jesus died on the cross. And Calvinists misuse that word "regenerated". That is not a concept in the bible. Sanctification is where God changes you to THINK DIFFERENTLY, so that your actions REFLECT that of God. Calvinists really don't spiritually discern things. It isn't discussing salvation.
chapmaned 1 month ago
@chapmaned What you're saying is that a person can theoretically be sinless and not need Christ.Paul says this is impossible,none are good,none seek the Lord,none are righteous,no not one,babies included.
CBALLEN 1 month ago
@CBALLEN I didn't say that. I said to look up the word "IMPUTE". That is a word in Romans chapters 4-7. Read Romans 4-7 instead of arguing with me.
chapmaned 1 month ago
@chapmaned I know what impute means and Adams sin nature was imputed to us all.Through Adam sin came and through sin death came so we all die for Adam's sin.
CBALLEN 1 month ago
@CBALLEN However, you place GUILT in the equation. We are NOT GUILTY OF ANYONE'S SIN but our own. And, due to the guilt that you place on everyone "FOR" Adam's sin, everyone is hellbound. But that isn't what the Bible teaches. Except, if you are a Calvinist.
chapmaned 1 month ago
@CBALLEN A person does not become lost until they have knowledge of good and evil. That bible makes that clear.
chapmaned 1 month ago
@chapmaned The Bible gives no age of accountability to let one enter the kingdom without being born again.This is really what the Bible says.
CBALLEN 1 month ago
@CBALLEN You are right. The bible gives NO AGE of accountability. but it does state that one must have KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL. Remember that tree in the Garden of Eden? What was the name of that tree?
chapmaned 1 month ago
@chapmaned The Bible only says when there was no law there was no transgression,that was before Moses received the law.
CBALLEN 1 month ago
@CBALLEN No transgression means what? Answer, NO SIN CAN BE COUNTED AGAINST YOU. That is the meaning of the word "IMPUTE".
chapmaned 1 month ago
@CBALLEN The ONLY ones needing to be born again are those who are spiritually dead. Again, babies are not spiritually dead. They don't spiritually die until they get knowledge of good and evil. That is really what the Bible says.
chapmaned 1 month ago
@chapmaned All men are born spiritually dead,that's why we must be born again.
CBALLEN 1 month ago
@CBALLEN NO, we are not born spiritually dead. We die when we get knowledge of good and evil. That was the name of the tree. That is what Deu. 1:39 states. That is what Romans 7 states. Paul said that before the law, he was ALIVE, but when the commandment came, he died. You don't die until KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL. We are not born WITH SIN, we are born IN sin. You can't be born again until you first die. Before that, you are not lost.
chapmaned 1 month ago
@chapmaned But Adam was our federal head representing all of mankind,that's why through one man sin entered and by one man sin is forgiven.
CBALLEN 1 month ago
@CBALLEN Federal head? What kind of language is that? Is that an official Calvinist language? Federal head? I don't get it. Sin entered the world because sin was supposed to enter the world. The book of Revelation states that Jesus is the lamb slain from the foundation of the earth. That is before Adam. Jesus is the only one sinless, and how would the Bible read if Adam didn't sin? For all have sinned, except for Adam? Then Jesus would not need to die on the cross if Adam could do it.
chapmaned 1 month ago
@chapmaned Romans 8:7 For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God’s law; indeed, it cannot.So if the fleshly unsaved man cannot obey God's command to repent and believe the gospel,then it means God must impute His Spirit into a man before he ever will repent and believe as God has commanded.
CBALLEN 1 month ago
@CBALLEN Do Christians sin? YES. Are Christians saved? YES. So what are you talking about in regards to salvation? First of all, WE ARE NOT LOST UNTIL WE GET KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL. PERIOD. No need for salvation for people that fall into that catagory. They are not lost, until they die. The IMPUTATION of God's spirit is AFTER salvation, and NOT BEFORE. The WORD OF GOD (Bible, or those preaching the word) brings us to God.
chapmaned 1 month ago
@chapmaned The Bible says in PS.58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb; they go astray from birth, speaking lies.Are they counted righteous from the womb?
CBALLEN 1 month ago
@CBALLEN And what does Deuteronomy 1:39 state? It states that babies go to heaven. You won't see that until you discern that the PROMISED LAND is not just the physical land of Israel, but a SPIRITUAL story of heaven. Who gets to go to the promised land? Answer CALEB AND JOSHUA, AND...DEUTERONOMY 1:39. (FAITH, AND NO KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL). Also, read Romans Chapters 2-7. Calvinists can only come up with Ps. 58:3, when that isn't the REST OF THE STORY.
chapmaned 1 month ago
@chapmaned Doesn't the Bible tell us that unless one be born not only natural,but born again AGAIN he can't see the kingdom of God?
CBALLEN 1 month ago
@chapmaned even thought they were ignorant of the law that does not make what they were doing right !! their concience bore witness to their wrong ding therefore condemming them justyfing GOD as a right judge to send them to hell !! no where in scripture does it say these people were going to heaven you are a heretic !!
patriotsfan1379 1 month ago
@patriotsfan1379 Obviously, YOU have a problem with the Book of Romans as well.
chapmaned 1 month ago
@patriotsfan1379 We are heirs to the promise given to Abraham. What was the Promise? LAND. The physical land of Israel, with specific borders, given to those of the family line of Isaac, rather than to Ishmael. The purpose of circumcision was to show that the promise goes thru Isaac, rather than Ishmael. We are heirs to the promise of the PROMISED LAND. That promised land is Heaven. Christians are circumcised in the heart. The Jews, the flesh. Flesh=Israel, heart=Heaven.
chapmaned 1 month ago
@patriotsfan1379 And until you see that, then you will just stick with your doctrines that it does not say heaven. But, you can back it up with the mid to latter part of Hebrews 11. The promise is twofold. Carnal, and Spiritual. Carnal = Physical land of Israel with specific borders. Spiritual is heaven. If you are only looking at the carnal, you miss the story. And...Romans Chapter 2 discusses GENTILES who are without law, that their conscience is what judges them.
chapmaned 1 month ago
@chapmaned So if people haven't sinned yet,such as babies,then they would automatically would be counted as innocent and righteous?If this is true,then why did all babies die in the flood and remember,God couldn't even find 10 righteous to spare Sodom & Gomorrah,surely there was 10 babies in 2 cities?.
CBALLEN 1 month ago
@CBALLEN Ask God why babies died in Sodom and Gomorrah/flood. Death of the body means nothing. Babies don't have a choice to choose right and wrong, or good and evil. They are exempt from the counting of 10 righteous. Jesus said that evil comes from the heart. If evil comes from the heart, that indicates that you must CHOOSE to do evil. Babies cannot choose anything. You make it sound as if the babies are guilty of something. What are they guilty of, prosecuting attorney?
chapmaned 1 month ago
@patriotsfan1379 Just like Adam and Eve, no one is born WITH SIN. We are born IN sin, not with sin.
chapmaned 2 months ago
@patriotsfan1379 The only thing from Adam's sin that passed to us was dying spiritually, not born spiritually dead. Paul discusses this, that he was alive before the law. Once the law came for him, he died. Then after you spiritually die, you are in need of being born again. You are born into this world spiritually alive...then you die, then you need to be born again. You are not born dead.
chapmaned 2 months ago
@patriotsfan1379 I had not known sin but by the law...For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
And Finally,
1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
Do you see the word "cannot"?
chapmaned 2 months ago
@patriotsfan1379 Look up the exact phrase "good and evil". Without knowledge of Good and Evil, you are not held accountable to your sins, until you have knowledge. Romans Chapters 4-7 also discusses this. This is why those in Deu 1:39 had no knowledge of good and evil. Besides, WE ARE BORN "IN" SIN, NOT WITH SIN.
chapmaned 2 months ago
@chapmaned rom 3 says all are held accontable whether they know or not because all have sinned and fall short of the glory of GOD
patriotsfan1379 2 months ago
@patriotsfan1379 Only those who fall under the law are held accountable. Read Romans Chapter 2 verses 12-15. Those not under the law will not be judged by the law. They are judged by their conscience, the law written in their hearts, not the law of Moses.
chapmaned 2 months ago
@patriotsfan1379 Those who "REJECT" Jesus are under the law. Christians are not under the law. Those Amazon people with bones in their noses who never heard of Jesus are not under the law.
chapmaned 2 months ago
I Am a Calvinist myself, but are we Really showing the Love of Christ by slandering each other as Christians? Don't the atheists have enough reason to point fingers at us without giving them more reasons. One thing all true Christians can agree on is Jesus is God, why do we all have to fight and make the world hate us even more?
God Bless You All
Ronniecob40 7 months ago
Keep up the good work Jacksmack77. God bless.
FORMETOKNOWONLY 8 months ago
Jacksmack needs to study his arguement. And haha, at his above comment. I quote, "We, as Christians need to repent of our sins on a daily basis!". Another quote, well as a matter of fact, a 'Sermon' of His. "You can live like the devil, and still be saved." Hmmm. Right. Well, atleast I dont have to take heed to Christs' words. Or Pauls. Or really, anyones. Galations 2:20, nope. Romans 6:6. Why would I? I believe you embarase 1 Peter 1:18 also. Oh, and Mark 10:21. Not needed. Hmph... God Bless.
ItsNowWarfare 8 months ago
Calvanism is the only logical Christianity..
SHIBBYiPANDA 9 months ago
Amen.
ETHANGELIST 9 months ago
you need to repent and get saved. You are in no way showing the love of God. I do not agree with arminianism but i don't name call like a child or bash them.
walkbyfaith01 10 months ago
I don't know where Arminian/Pelagian heretics get the idea that Calvinism teaches we are to just sit around and twirl our thumbs. All the Calvinists I know, as do I, share the Gospel everywhere we go. It's obvious to me, that Arminians can only argue against fictitious straw men they merely call 'Calvinists' - which none of us are.
For them to have to answer to God, for all their slander of Calvinists, will be a frightful day much to be feared. May God grant them repentance.
RefutingSkellyism 1 year ago
I don't oppose repentance! I just don't add it as a requirement for salvation. if a person is worshiping something false he needs to repent of this idol and believe the gospel. We, as Christians need to repent of our sins on a daily basis! Get a life. I will not waste my time arguing anymore!
jacksmack77 1 year ago
@jacksmack77 Then repent of accusing Calvinist of believing in prevenient grace, liar! How about a public apology admitting your error?
fivepointbaptist 1 year ago
@fivepointbaptist Agreed! Prevenient Grace is another word for works righteousness. Jack, if you are reading this, believe because God first saves (and did not make a process for us to adhere to to be saved, i.e. Prevenient Grace/Works Righteousness) We are not saved because we first believed.
1stCorSeven22and23 1 year ago
@1stCorSeven22and23 "we believe" that is.
1stCorSeven22and23 1 year ago
@jacksmack77 Get a life? I have a life. I am a slave for Jesus Christ and His Gospel. I am glad that you do not want to argue any more especially when you argue against the Word of God. It is a waste of your time to argue against the word of God. Do you still believe Lewis Sperry Chafer's quote “Nobody has ever been saved by a message of repentance"? Or do you believe Matthew 4:17, Acts 2:37-38, and Luke 13:3. Believing both Chafer's quote and the bible is not compatible.
1stCorSeven22and23 1 year ago
@jacksmack77 Also, Jack, show me some examples of salvation apart from the presence of repentance in the bible. Who grants repentance Jack? Is it not God. Monergism Jack, NOT Synergism. It matters and that is why you are angry and confused. 2 Timothy 2:25 "In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;"
1stCorSeven22and23 1 year ago