@Millipedecult no Joseph was not a medium. I do know from what account your refering from though... He did have devine connection at first, but with a feeble gentile mentality, a lot fell on his shoulders. He couldnt contend with the fame. He was only to preach baptism and repentance after his work and only work (translation). But allowed things to get out of hand by the pleasures of men, allowing mens glory to fall on him. Things escalated, he needed the temporal aid, from what he was not...
How are they misunderstood? If your not a mason then your the least candidate to explain Joseph Smith's connections with freemasonry. Like I said at first just an attempt to sugar coat an inconvinient truth.
Is a snake misunderstood? They are peacefull creatures everyone hates but if you provide an unfavorable situation for them, they will strike with no mercy to defend themselfs. Note the analogy.
The sword of His mouth, it cuts deep doesn't it. Learn what has never before been considered. The words of Isaiah speak of todays stumbling block. But I tell you, it pains me and makes me bitter to my stomach to say of these things to my fellow LDS friends, it is not a desireable feeling, but I do wish to disclose of plainess of the truth appointed for its time. And it will soon be time (Rev 10:8-11) is there not yet more things to come? Why do you stand idle when after you think you are learned
I say criminal because of the secret combinations hidden from the world, good or bad, its a severe crime against the Lord. It is written.
You may not see this because you are inside the box, distracted and influencing your perception to justify a well standing of your own identidy. Somewhat married to your understanding, and will naturaly defend your spouse from any negativity. It is who you are... but overcome this, have the strength to run. Enough of walking on the sholders of babylon.
@IZ1111 - Every man must follow Christ according to the dictates of his heart. I am not a Mason but I have been asked on more than 1 occasion to consider joining. The Masons do not offer a plan for "salvation" apart from Christ or suggest that somehow it comes through participating with them but I find what they do falls in line with much of what we learn from all Universal Truths. Don't have a dog in the fight but living in the world & not of the world is the key.
Dont change the subject, you have a nack for that in all your responses to comments.
Yes I do, I live among them, as many do, they are of good cheer. Still it like saying, my father is a criminal for a living, but because he is my father and does shows me kindness, I do not find fault in what he does.
Romans 9:33 (Don't be ashamed, there is a reason, overcome it)
This is directed towards you THELDSLIFE, I know you've ignored me this long either cause I trouble you or you dont want to deal with a percieved fool like me. Please respond though.
@IZ1111 - some have the misconception that I have an abundance of time. I probably get 100 comments a day and I'm sorry if your comments have fallen to the wayside.
We have proverbs of our own, in the church, which includes the Articles of Faith.
Article of faith 13, suggests that if there be anything .... of good report or praiseworthy, that we should seek after those things.
Every Freemason that I have met has generally been a good man and has mastered his passions. Do you know any Masons?
@ryanlifts100 - you can't wrap yourself around the Bible when it's convenient to you. Would not Deuteronomy disqualify Joshua and every other prophet after Moses from writing anything? Wouldn't Moses's disappearance seem odd to you? Are we supposed to believe that Moses simply... "Disappeared???" - Hey there's a conspiracy theory in all of us but using those passages without context and without power makes them the weakest interpretations of scripture above badly interpreting Galatians 1:6-9...
Smith was a 33rd degree freemason. Charles Taze Russell, founder of Jehovas Witness was another freemason. See the connection? I did ask God, and I am being led towards Protestant even though I have a catholic background. I'll leave you with some quotes too (Matthew 7:15, Galatian 1:8,)
There is LOTS of satanic symbolism in freemasonry, the illuminati hijacked the freemason movemment to advance their globalist agenda (washington wrote a letter addressing this fact) and Joseph smith is a clear false prophet and blasphemor, do not add on to or take away from the bible is a rule from the bible. We are waiting for Jesus second coming, nothing more, not some Masonic scam artist trying to stray people off path
@ryanlifts100 - there is lots of Symbolism that has been hijacked by Satanic and other groups who follow the occult but it is not up to me to convince you that God has called prophets once more. That responsibility alone belongs to God and he can confirm to you the true path. God has called Israel home for one final time and there are prophets in Israel once more. The burden of proof is not on men alone. (See 1 John 5:9 and know by which power I know these things. See also James 1:5-6)
For those of you that dont know about or see the connection between freemasonry and old jewish (judah) beliefs. Well freemasonry is very much based around Solomon's temple, which included many ancient religions and beliefs from outside pegan countries at that time. From Egypt to Babylon beliefs and others. Lets not forget the infamous Hiram. Dont you find it strange where the fountain for the baptism for the dead came from? Brazen/Molten Sea? Theres a reason God destroyed Jerusalem so many times
Imaging if The BoM was never hid from the world after the extinction of the Nephites. What if it would have eventualy fallen into the hands of the Laminites. Then corrupting its stories and events in the manner that they would want it to be understood. Well thats exactly what happened to the Bible, the Old Testament has been corrupted by the victor tribe of the land, Judah and its idolatry ways. While the House of Israel remains lost, only known to God. This is the mystery that many stumble upon
...So is the same with the house of Israel and the house of Judah. Judah being the eldest son, his tribe was very prideful just has Lamans tribe. The house of Israel holding most of the tribes but Judahs one tribe always separated themselves because of their pride, leading to their own wicked idolatry and ways. Once Judah became reigning tribe by King David, there was no stopping Judah. But by the hand of God all the other tribes were guided away, thus making the lost tribes of Israel.
Very well explained stonerownalien. But allow me to explain this mystery into a better understanding or point of view that my LDS friends may comprehend...
Just has there were two tribes (Nephites and Lamanites) that split from the family of Lehi. One being righteous and the other wicked. But the wicked tribe came out victor in the end result, while the righteous tribe was dispersed into other lands by the hand of God or mixed with the wicked tribe because of their own wickedness....
freemasonry is derived from the ancient mystery religions, and promotes pagan/occult symbols in the lodge. It also derives some of their rituals from the ancient jewish kaballah, it is a pagan occult institution and is not compatible with Christianity in any way.
And many will say; Why do you hate so much this great establishment that God has placed in our modern times, a great new Jerusalem. Yes there will be some flaws but they are of man, we today just seek to come closer to God with good will. So our flaws will be strengthen. We are good people seeking only the goodwill of our Lord. We are in the wonderful truth, we have no need to go away from this glory, its foolishness.... to my LDS bretheren, did not Laman and Lemuel think and say the same?
...the "unlearned servant" and the "chosen seer" spoken in the BoM are NOT THE SAME PERSON. Read and search and understand it well. I will not unfold it all, you must discover the broader truth for yourselfs...
Oliver Cowdery, David Whitmer, Martin Harris, all very good and close freinds to Joseph Smith. The very witnesses to the BoM, that do not deny its truth. They left Joseph, the very men from the beginning of it all, felt as if things have gone wrong, and couldnt continue in the direction that Joseph was taking things. So they are classified as "dissenters" because of Joseph. His very own friends, knew how bad things became in the early church. Why did they truly leave??? Hhmmmm....
Ok and Im back... Its just simple, Joseph Smith was a failed prohpet because he wasnt meant to be a prophet in the first place. But just a servant. He knowing this, had to outreach for other aid and protection from constant persacution. Which persecution God said will deliver if they would transgress against His will. Joseph definetly needed a gameplan change that met his needs and wishes. So he became friends with Mammon....
@Millipedecult - that scripture dooms the mission of Jesus Christ if applied to Mary and Joseph receiving an angelic messenger because Jesus came and preached a different gospel. Any good Jew knows that Jesus preached a different gospel. The problem with reading Galatians 1: 6-9 is that no one can take you seriously. You read this verse seriously out of context, you forget chapters 2 and 3 which helps clarify it, most of Acts, and ignoring that Peter, Paul, John, and others saw MANY angels!
@THELDSLIFE Read this. It says gospel of Christ. Jesus came here to put the law of God into our hearts, by fulfilling the law, and making the ultimate sacrifice. The Old Testament is NOT a gospel of Christ. And Joseph didn't just see angels, he saw dead people, Jesus, and God himself. Despite the dozens of scriptures that warn people of messages sent by dead spirits, Joseph still allowed himself to become deceived by moroni, the devil in disguise. In this sense, Joseph is a medium.
@Millipedecult Further more, the gospel of Christ is complete, his parables intact, the path of salvation outlined, and yet despite the multitude of bible verses that back these claims up, Joseph Smith perverted the truth, and outlined the Aaronic priesthood. Funny thing is that the 'powers' of the Aaronic priesthood, are the ones that Jesus imparted unto his believers. Priesthood, whether it be Catholic or Mormon, is heretical.
@Millipedecult Joseph talked with dead spirits, making him a medium. He failed in more than one prophecy, making him a liar. And has perverted the Gospel of Christ, making him accursed by God.
masonry is satanism plain and simple, no ifs, ands, or buts. if you read ANY of the works of early masons you would KNOW this, just as you KNOW GOD. i dont know the connection between LDS nowadays and masonry, but if Joe smith was a mason i would be worried.
@torymorton - the Satanic builders of the Masons hold places in history for the building up of this great nation. It's not a perfect nation but striving to become a more perfect union... but I do not hold men like George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Norman Vincent Peale and other greats throughout history with the disdain that you seem to hold for those men who have been responsible for taking men out of the stone age and into the industrial/information age. They above all others use their mind
Ok, my great grandfather was a step or steps above a master mason and my uncle is a master mason. What does this mean for me? Should I study masonry? By the way, I was just told this when I turned 21. Im paralyzed, and my Dad and uncle wanted to take me to "Shriners"? can someone help me out with these questions. please.
The message that they are in constant encouragement is completely regarding being the best person you can be with the thought of God as your guider, protector, and actions that are to please God. And Charity... there should be revered as a model in the giving of alms and charity for those in need... NOT even the Catholic church can be compared to their good works in this area. As for Joseph Smith... dunno enough but I do believe their actions and faith is a great example for all!!!
Nice Vid... I would like to say perhaps slow the time frame between words because one in reading and absorbing what is being written... could use more processing time. 2nd for the people that are slamming this vid... Show me an example of a comparable religion today that is more virtuous.... Young men devote 2 years of their life... to live, breath and teach others with a pure heart with only the reward of God in their sight... that is noble (IMHO).
This person obviously has no knowledge on the origin of Freemasonry or the frats, and if they do they are purposefully deceiving the viewers in gearing their minds away from looking at such truth. "To you sovereign grand inspector general, we say this and you may repeat it to the brethren of the 32nd, 31st and 30th degrees - the Masonic religion should be by all of us initiates of the high degrees [ J.Smith], MAINTAINED IN THE PURITY OF THE LUCIFERIAN DOCTRINE." - Albert Pike 33rd degree Master
@THELDSLIFE Here's a good place for you to start: Morals and Dogma by Albert Pike, The Secret Teachings of All the Ages by Manly P. Hall, The Two Babylons by Alexander Hislop, Behold a Pale Horse by William Cooper, The God Makers by Ed Decker and Dave Hunt. These are just a few books with documented facts that will help those who seek truth to find it. Study what the "Jupiter" talisman is and used for in the pagan occult rituals. It's a documented fact that Joseph Smith died and was buried w/one
@maarango1- I didn't ask about someone elses ability to write books. I am asking about your credentials. Of which, I do not know you nor do I know any of those men who write books... except for the Ed Deckers of the world. If you associate men with "Ed Decker" then you must have the same caliber of men.
Ed Decker: Was capable of being excommunicated by the church for committing adultery against his wife and companion he was once sealed to in a temple and was guilty. What makes him credible?
@THELDSLIFE look man, you really don't know what your talking about at all. What good is a credential? That has not a thing to do with anything that I or you have stated. The facts are there for anyone who wants to research. I suggest you stop following a religion and use the common sense that God gave you. The key word in ignorance is "ignore" which is why people are called such a thing. They ignore the things that make them uncomfortable. I love you and I hope that you'll think for yourself ..
@maarango1 I own two BOM and they are completely different, but all the mormons swear that the other one is wrong and theirs is right. I personally study material. I don't need a piece of paper to prove my studies. God gave me a brain and the choice to use it. Man is who tells you your not good enough unless you meet their standards. Do me just one favor and answer me this, Luke 23:44 says the darkness covered for only 3 hours, 3 Nephi 8:19 & 23 clearly says 3 days? Which one is lying?
@maarango1 And just to throw it out there, the Live in Girlfriend comment was unnecessary. I challenge the false doctrines with the Word of God and the wisdom of the Lord. I pray God enlightens you. Here are some credentials from God, I suggest you look them up and compare them to your teachings. (Jn 4:24 - Lk24:9) (Isah 44:6,8,24, 45:5-7, 21-22, 46:5,9) (Mal 3:6) (Gal 1:6-9) (Rev 22:19) Gods Word lines up from the OT to the NT. He will not contradict Himself. But the BOM is full of contrary.
and you may research why the event of the darkness in the bible, and the book of mormon are different.
Read the article that talks about the volcanoes and earthquakes, and you'll see why the events were different. Central america has geological evidence that such an event happened at the time of Christ's death/resurrection.
This video is the typical Mormons reply on anything that contradicts what they believe. "You just have to have faith that its real...You have to have faith that Joseph Smith is telling the truth" Well I have faith that the Bible is true and as far as I've researched, the BOM is calls the Bible a lie, is blasphemy. I own 2 different kinds of BOM, so different from each other and each sect of Mormon says the same thing, "You have to have faith that it's true. God tells us through the spirit.WRONG
God didn't place Moses in the hands of Egyptian royalty to become a leader. Exodus 4:10-12 Moses said himself to God that he has NEVER been good with speaking to people. A trait that would be developed in becoming a leader. God said, " Who made mans mouth? I did?" So you can obviously see that Moses became the leader from trusting in God, not learning from Egypt.
@LDS4life71 hmm Im a lousy ex mormon because I've been doing my own homework on my own religion. Searching and praying with the actual scriptures and church historical documents, instead of just relying on what the basic and very norrow view of joseph smith's story everyone is told. Yeah, I'm pretty lousy.
None of todays aligations against the LDS church is a cause of the Book of Mormon, but infact the Book of Mormon itself speaks agaisnt such abominations that the church has adopted. Its the churchs traditions itself that has corrupted its name! This is why Im bitter! Because this beautiful book of God has been abused and stepped on like a FLOORMAT by this church. So I say that YOU must read the Book of Mormon thoroughly to understand its true prophesies!
Also you advise me to read the scriptures? Well to that I say that The Book of Mormon is the true word of God, that in fact it speaks against this LDS church itself. It is this modern restoration corrupted by freemasonry that has caused a "stumbling stone" to exist upon it. Causing the confusion and hate towards the Book of Mormon by everyone else. D&C and todays modern revelations have corrupted the Book of Mormon and have stained it as being seen as cult like and devilsh....
Now to all those that sat my problem is a failure to understand the holy spirit. That I must be wrong, I cannot possibly be right. How can the "true" church that God himself placed be wrong, we have men that talk directly with God. Its blasphemy to think otherwise. That I must be wrong, theres no other explination... To this I say, Do you not detect at least the slightest bit of "pride" from this way of thinking??
@THELDSLIFE so what kind of videos are you presenting and focusing on, how to ride a bike? Your clearly defending mormonism with a deceitful and cunning approach. Still, using gospel doctine to acquire this task. I may have bitterness, but only towards such abominations that many defend just because it goes agaisnt ones religion. As if one is defending his spouse from accusations of cheating, even if true, one still defends the spouse because of ones devotion towards.
@THELDSLIFE your unpleasant sarcasm in a your video responses are not the level of what I would expect from someone who promotes the true gospel. Instead of understanding them, you mock them. And your deceitful aproach in most are your vids is alarming in comparison to how the gospel should be known.
@IZ1111 - this isn't a video about the Gospel in general and I wasn't worried about hurting your feelers with my comments because you weren't concerned with spatting off what you wanted to say as a bitter, spiteful exmormon. You left the path a long time ago so no amount of sweetness is going to entice you home, Unless you do as the scriptures suggest and yield to the enticings of his holy spirit and put off the natural man, you may remain in that state of bitterness which is self created.
@alexgomez2 ....But so many dont have this desire to "run" and become stronger in the truth of His ways and understanding. So they 'stay' and are humbled, which is a great virtue in His sight. But there are many that stay and walk, and find their happiness His rock. But how proud would He be for those who pray for the strength to RUN.
@alexgomez2 ...He knows them well, and when they ask for His wisdom and mysteries of this world, be it for or against His purpose for His rock. He will pour down his truths according to their faith and capable understanding. Isnt it tought that He will only allow you to suffer only what one has strength to suffer during hardships. Or if you pray for patience, will He not cause a situation for you to increase and learn patience from. So is the same if you would ask Him to "run"....
@alezgomez2 ...He knows who is strong and who is weak and must needs stay in on a rock. His secure rock of foundation. But He knows that are some, a few, who desire to 'run', to understand more things, wiser things, His wonderful mysteries. But only He knows who is capable of 'running' and not falling from it. For He doesnt desire for us to fall from by this world. So He counsels us to stay in our hearts, on His rock. But to those who He knows well can perhaps endure the run....
@alexgomez2 I respect your humble understanding on what your heart has found, it is a wonderful find, a rock, the rock of His salvation. But in response to you, i say that our Heavenly Father knows all his children. He knows every soul that He created so well, that he knows who can 'walk' or must stand still. He knows who can 'run' for He knows he is capable of the strength... There are many truths in this world, that our Lord knows in whom has the strength to accept and endure harder truths...
Faith is the abscense of critical thinking... If you have faith that a 14 year old boy saw god and jesus and then made recounted three different versions, then I don't believe you've done much critical thinking. The last version, created in 1838, is the one the Mormons adhere to today.
@THELDSLIFE Actually I do believe in God and his son Jesus Christ. To the rest I have no opinions. But I do say that FreeMasonry is the abomination spoken of and prophesied by Both BoM and Book of Revelations as the "secret combinations". Thats right I believe in the Book of Mormon, IT IS A TREASURE that the whore of this world has infultrated, using it as a FLOOR MAT! to welcome all believers in christ into it. Instead of it being truly its center, D&C has taken over to rule over Gods word...
@THELDSLIFE Why do you uphold masonry???? It is an abominations in the eyes of our God. Why do you not ask God to tell you the truth? Why do you seek and search the scriptures, are they not plain and true??? Why do you alter what is wrong and what is right??? Seek for righteousness, Seek for truth. Knock and you shall recieve. Why do you make a wolf be percieved as a lamb????
@IZ1111 - Thank you for inviting this LDS friend and vicariously all LDS to seek the truth. I have to confess that my search ended thirty something years ago when I found the truth in the Gospel of Jesus Christ and His only true and living Church, The Church of Jesus Chris of Latter Day Saints. I´m happy to acknowledges that God is alive and that He DOES answer prayers and that, contrary to the enemies of truth believe, God actually speak to men who see Him (James 1:5). Now you ask and learn.
@THELDSLIFE I pray you realize the Egyptian Occultist ideals that masons hold true to, as well as mormons. It is not cooincedence, that Joseph bought the papyri and dis-translated into something about Abraham. Nor is it cooincedence, that he practiced magic, was a mason, indoctrinated baptism for the dead, and taught exaltation.
@THELDSLIFE I also pray that you discontinue to thrive from this back and forth. I hope you do some serious bible study, and search in the bible for things like "god was once a man", exaltation, baptism for the dead, you will not find any bible verses supporting these viewpoints. Priesthood is about works, salvation is by grace.
Romans 4:5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness
@Millipedecult - thank you for watching this video and making just one more view more popular and leaving a comment. This too attracts people to view this wonderful channel set apart for the opinion free showings of the restored gospel of Jesus Christ and what also interests others in the LDS faith including but not limited to Church History, actual doctrine, and other things that have come forward to this earth. Truly, knowledge is filling the whole earth as per Habakkuk 2:14
The first five presidents of the LDS church were free masons, and so were a few US presidents, senators and well respected businessmen. The big question is, how much of the temple endowment ceremony did Joseph Smith Jr. pilfer? As far as I can tell, not much.
@mserovey - If anything, it was a blue print on HOW TO DO A CEREMONY... remembering that before this day, he was a farm boy who did manual labor and wasn't raised up to understand those kinds of things. Still... I think it was an inspired move by God to put him in this position or to inspire him onto learning a few things from his environment? God can't create something from nothing so Joseph could neither do what he had to do with little or NO knowledge of what a ritual should look like. Right?
"I do not regard my own life. I am ready to be offered a sacrifice for this people; for what can our enemies do? Only kill the body, and their power is then at an end. Stand firm, my friends; never flinch. Do not seek to save your lives, for he that is afraid to die for the truth, will lose eternal life.... God has tried you. You are a good people; therefore I love you with all my heart. Greater love hath no man than that he should lay down his life for his friends."
those that doubt or are trying to disprove evidence as it emerges (and yes, more and more will show up), are the same people that will demand to see the wounds when our savior returns.
@schnucklefutz - OR WORSE! They will seek ways to tell God that it's not POSSIBLE for the Book of Mormon to have been inspired by the same God of the Old and New Testaments and they will argue with God over the matter!!!!!!!!!!!
@THELDSLIFE I wonder if the so called "Born agains" or "Evangelicals" actually know that the Freemasons came about from the original Crusaders Templar Knights? This group was around 1 thousand years before the born again and evangelicals were even a glimer in some ones eye. maybe they're thinking these 2 groups are cults..lol :-)
and since the ones who dare post here seem to think they know so much. i have a question for you. Who are you going to shake your secret hand shakes to?
God? Should I really believe that we need to have a secret to shake Gods hand in a Mason way for him to recognize me as some one who is saved?
@pepstuge - how prepared are you to become Kings and Priests unto the Most High God? - See Revelations 1:5-6, Revelations 3:19-21 - this may help answer your question. Since if it is up to US to be found as Kings and Priests unto the Most High (in order to be Exalted) then u should probably suppose that there's much that one must have left to learn about this action. (Since none others venture to teach this or prepare its members to become)
@pepstuge - either I have reason and have stumped you or you simply don't want to continue the discussion. What most people fail to remember is that the "House of Israel" is laden with ritual and temple worship. Modern Israel would have also many of those temple rites restored into their perfected forms of restitution along with anything else that existed in the primitive church namely apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists and so forth as outlined in the New Test. See Acts 3:19-21
i know that in the bible Christ said don't preach to these people. only preach to these other people. ok what else? did he brake laws? or did he share laws with people and then broke them? im sick of learning of laws that J Smith broke all the while claiming he was a true profit and was restoring the only true gospel. do your brother here a favor and shade me some light so that i can go back to church with a full understanding of how god works in shady secretive hand shake ways. :)
since we are not stating here that god told us that this is not the true church. at least Im not doing so. but simply stating things that are found in the mormon church records. how about if your going to say something that contradicts it. you also try and use some factual facts that make since. Explain me why God would use a shady secretive way for people to get to him. as well as restore the true gospel in such opposite why then what Christ did. or maybe shed light on how christ was shady
and why did J Smith have to marry woman who were at the time married to living man? this is a strange commandment of god for him since it brakes many laws and make little to no since. maybe if i trust blindly and don't care about anything such as this i could also join the reform polygamist church as well. after all they have not changed anything from the time J Smith was alive. i think as mormons we run out of ways to cover up the past. we just want to believe.
profit gordon b said on an interview trying to shift the blame away from him self. that it was the way the leaders (j Smith) interpreted the doctrine at that time!
well the story the church tells us from the church history and church records does not match. so how are we to trust on the leaders who claim to be interpreting the doctrine today? are we to be blind and trust blinded that now they are not making mistakes? they have behaved in shady ways from the start. so help me understand here pls
Why would God want to restore the gospel on earth with a profit that is shady? if he was not then why does the church history and records show that he was? why would he be so weak to need a gun to kill humans who want his blood?
lams going to a stutter house don't bring guns with them! do they? pls give some information here that shows you do know our church history. so that we can best understand where you are getting your testimony from! thank you
and J Smith broke the word of wisdom when he had a few drinks in the last days of his life. this is not the behavior of a man with a mantel of god. this leaves a lot to be desired and investigated. why is the mormon god so small that he hides behind secret hand shakes and temples? pls explain this to me
oh and lies about polygamy. if it was the way you say it was. then why the need to hide from anything or anyone? remember also that there has been no revelation to stop polygamy so.....?
so god tells J Smith to have many woman. but then he cant teach him some temple rituals that are different then that of the Masons? hmm this sounds like fanatic want to believe in what ever the leaders say bs. why does a profit of god who is a seer. and has visions to come up with things like D&C etc. need to learn some retarded free Masons crap. and then make them part of temple work for salvation. this sounds like bullshit really. pls explain active ones
@pepstuge Joseph smith never had multiple wives, polygamy was not placed till Brigham young was placed as a prophet and many men lost their lives because of religious persecution i really dont know much of this free mason thing.D&C well that's a chapter of the life of an LDS its a story on how he received revelation and stuff, its pretty good you should read it .. well the first temple was the kirtland temple in Ohio which he received revelation of the lord to build a house of god, read d&c 88
@LDS4Life71 Wrong! -- Educate yourself before responding. Do the research. Even the "Church" knows this is true. They don't deny it. They also don't deny the "fact" that the Book of Abraham is now proven fiction. Educate yourself.
@LDS4Life71 You're not understanding my original comment. Yes, of course temple work was done in ancient times. What I was saying is: "Modern day Free Masons" added new rituals in the 17th century...that would be in the mid 1600's...that's NOT ancient times. The MASON's added NEW rituals...not by revelation. J.S. used those "new" rituals in creating the pre 1990 temple ceremony and then claimed it was "restored". Not possible, since the new rituals didn't exist in ancient times.
@LDS4Life71 I see you have no intentions of addressing the question or comment, or you clearly don't understand it. The double talk is evidence of that. I won't continue.
@LDS4Life71 I have no idea what your reply means. I'm not being fallacious! I really don't know understand what you're saying. My point was, if a ritual was "added" to the Masonic ceremony in the 17th century, it couldn't possibly have been part of the original ritual from Biblical days, which was supposedly "restored" by J.S.?
I don't fear the Free Masons, quite the opposite. Church members are raised on the untruth that their are "similarities" in their ceremonies and the Mason's because the Masons "passed down" the original ceremony over the centuries from the era of Kind David. Then J.S. "restored" the original ceremony through revelation from God. This can't be true because some of the Mason's rituals were "added" in the 17th century...but "showed up" in the Mormon rituals as part of the "restored" rituals. Hmm..
@fairlds.org I still think the real question is, why would God have his Prophet join the Freemasons who actively work againt Churches and promote Agnositicism? Joeseph Smith had a continual hunger for mystery and buried treasure. He enjoyed making things up. How many Freemasons believe that any part of the Book of Mormon is true? Why was the Temple in Nauvoo built only a few blocks away from the Masonic Lodge? I think the answers are self evident.
As The Zionists Masons are all Controlled by the UNHOLY EVIL VATICAN JESUIT ORDER. One does not have to look to far to learn the TRUTH it is all written down their plan for A NWO total enslavement of the HUMAN-RACE a micro chipped population they are total Satanic.. MAY GOD HELP US HUMAN-RACE against the EVIL ONES.
@blueangel528hz WELL HERES SOMEONE WITH SOME REAL SENSE MY RESPECT TO YOU AND THOUGH WE CAN DO LITTLE TO FIGHT THE MONSTER ATLEAST WE KNOW WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON IN THE WORLD...HELL NO INGNORANCE IS NOT BLISS!!! THEY THINK THEY ARE SO SLICK WITH ALL THEIR SYMBOLISM, BUT WHEN YOU KNOW THEIR TRICKS ITS EASY TO IDENTIFY THEM...
@copperman1964 - P.S. Read on... Jacob 2: 27-31... it goes on to explain righteous reasons to follow through with the practice of actual PLURAL MARRIAGE and no, the kind that the Nephite Dissenters were practicing did not involve "marriage" or "permission" so reading scriptures under the PROPER CONTEXT is actually worth it's weight.
I CALL BULSHIG ON THIS VIDEO MAN!!! DONT FEED PEOPLE THIS SHIT!!! THE FREEMASONS ARE THE SAME MOTHERFUCKERS WHO ARE WORKING TOWARDS A ONE WORLD GOVERMENT THE SAME PEOPLE WHO COMMIT POLITICAL ASSASINATIONS THE SAME PEOPLE WHO ASSASINATED J.F.K. AND OTHER FAMILY MEMBERS FOR NOT BEING PART OF THEIR SECRET OCCULT SOCIETIES THE FUCKERS WHO BROUGHT DOWN THE TOWERS SO YEA I WOULD FEAR THOSE ASSHOLES TOO!!! TELL PEOPLE THE TRUTH...LOOK AT ALL THE SHIT JOSEPH SMITH MADE UP WE ALL KNOW THAT ITS BULLSHIT!!
@THELDSLIFE YEA??? WELL WE WILL SEE IN THE END ITS CUS OF MORONS LIKE YOU THAT DONT WANT TO OPEN THEIR EYES THAT THESE ASSHOLES GET AWAY WITH SO MUCH SHIT....YOU HAVE YOUR HEAD SO FAR UP YOUR ASS YOU DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON AROUND YOU IN YOUR OWN COUNTRY!!! SO RELAX HAVE ANOTHER BURGER AND SOME FRYS WHILE YOUR FREEDOMS ARE TAKEN FROM YOU!!! ANDMOST TIMESTHEY DONT HAVE TO TAKE THEM YOU JUST GIVE THEM UP CUS YOUBUY INTO ALL THEIR SHIT!!!
@CASTANEDA83 yes all one has to do is read the PROTOCOLS OF THE ELDERS OF ZION !! The FREEMASONS are Totally EVIL they work for their MASTER SATAN to bring in the NWO. Anyone that takes OUR GOD Given FREEWILL away For Their Master Blue-Blood Elites are a total disgrace to Humanity and they all Know it as a lot of them work in the Police force banking,political protecting our EVIL Controllers It is Called ZIONISM The EVIL cabal!! The Truth will set Humanity Free ..
@blueangel528hz YES THATS SO RIGHT! IM GLAD THERE IS STILL PEOPLE WHO HAVENT BOUGHT INTO ALL THIS CRAP...I FINALLY GET A REAL RESPONSE BACK FROM SOMEONE WHO HAS REAL KNOWLEDGE...
James, a Martin Harris scholar, is the author of "The Man Who Knew," the dramatic production of Harris' life held at his gravesite in Clarkston, Utah, each year.
Last week my wife and I not only drove to Cache Valley to see "The Man Who Knew," but, along with several others, spent part of the evening with Rhett and his wife, Alice, before making the trip.
Making fun of Mormons is easy stuff. Mainstream Christians and Jews have the mists of time to cushion any inspection of their peculiar stories.We've got accustomed to the Red Sea parting, Lazarus rising. It was all so long ago. The patina of antiquity, backed up by great religious institutions reaching back a thousand years or more, bequeaths respectability.
Masons worship a god not the God. They believe they can become a God. Rightly dividing truth for them selfs. Because they are at the top they feel as though they can make and change reality. they believe in truth as long as it fits there own idea of truth. I believe it was the Masons that tarred and feathered Mr.
Smith and then went on to killed him. There was a mob of Masons out side the Jail and he gave the sign for help and no one came to his aid. I could go on..
While the exact geographical setting for the Book of Mormon is still an open question, Dr. Allen was one of the pioneers in researching and publishing on the possible settings beginning with his dissertation on the legendary white god, Quetzalcoatl in 1970. In this rebroadcast of an audio interview recorded several years ago,
Dr. Allen talks about why he became interested in the subject and how a knowledge of Book of Mormon culture and place as drawn from the scripture itself can bless us spiritually.
@copperman1964 - it would be very similar but God uses what already exists on earth to fulfill purposes... (unless you think he waved a magic wand and made matter appear from out of no where.)
Could what the masons did have added structure to the already complex, ancient temple rites and ritual?
That would be like saying, as an author, that if I began writing Suspense Thrillers with an original story of my own, that some would say that I wouldn't be a writer if it weren't for Tom Clancy...
John Lynch is FAIR's Chairman of the Board. He thinks the Mormon Defense League is a type of anti-defamation league. "Except with Mormon nice. We bite, but we are polite," Lynch said, then added, "And afterwards we show an increase in love."
According to the newspapers and court records of his time and place. And his racism can be shown by the disgustingly racist quality of his "reelations"; his sexism and terrible actions towards women can be checked in your own church's records.
@NixonisLord - so because you see "written words" and "phrases" taken out of context, it makes perfect sense to suggest that the sources are 100% credible? The arguments are tired and boring; refuted time and time again. The law of Plural Marriage has always been greatly misunderstood, even by Christians brandishing a bible and call it scripture (forgetting much of the Old Testament I may add) there is nothing really save your word only or the words of others like yourself to condemn the man.
@NixonisLord - remembering this; The Jews used the scriptures and their cultural beliefs to kill Jesus. In fact, he was accused of being a heretic and a liar and a blasphemer and who knows what else. They used men who gave testimony against Jesus and they did not question their credibility and he was 100% guilty without a defense but what exists today are the facts and none of them are hiding; they are simply being interpreted and subject to assessment. Whose assessment do you follow after?
Actually, people mock Mormons because Smith was a fraud and a liar and racist and terrible to women. Contributed precisely nothing to the good of the world.
Nearly 60 youth volunteers hailing from throughout West Virginia and parts of Ohio lent a helping hand Thursday to the neighborhood around the Boys & Girls Club of Parkersburg.
The West Virginia Mormon Youth Conference is working this week to build a Habitat for Humanity home on Stephenson Avenue.
Nearly 60 youth volunteers hailing from throughout West Virginia and parts of Ohio lent a helping hand Thursday to the neighborhood around the Boys & Girls Club of Parkersburg.
The West Virginia Mormon Youth Conference is working this week to build a Habitat for Humanity home on Stephenson Avenue.
Setu is tearing into a slice of pizza inside the Mormon church's Welsh headquarters when we arrive to catch a glimpse of an existence about as far removed from that of an NRL professional as one can imagine. The 23-year-old, a quality second-rower who played 64 games for the Dragons and the Broncos as well as two Tests for Samoa, greets us with a full mouth, then a large smile.
@omiolo It's a Masonic cry for help that rose from a ficticious story about masons working on Solomons temple. Joseph and Hyrums death were the wages of their sins.
J.S. married the widow of William Morgan, of "The Morgan Affair" (posted). He was murdered by Knights Templar FM for writing a book on the 1st 3 degrees of FM. Odd thing, widow Morgan was already married to Mr Harris when she married JS. JS and everyone In jail, was a FM and was killed in a FM jail fully controlled by FM, the Deputy, Sheriff, Gov', etc. THEN Widow Morgan-Harris married Joe! For eternity! and Hubby Harris for Time! How did she feel loosing 2 husbands to ritual Freemason murders?
@omiolo You're about as funny as that smiley face of yours. "The Nauvoo Endowment Companies, a Documentary History...." a book by Mormons for Mormons clearly delineates JS many marriages and those marriages of zillions of other Mormons. Polygamy was packed in the prairie schooners and pampers of pilgrims prancing to Utah. There are so many testimonies of Mormon women saying they married JS. Did everyone but JS practice polygamy? the real question is who amongst the hierarchy didn't practice it
@dorisfenella - yes but this is the point entirely! Anti-Mormons suggest that those things ARE what we teach but we do not. It does not make those events of church history ANY LESS relevant. At church, it's all about Salvation and Sticking to the basics. Nothing is HIDDEN... nothing is KEPT from our knowledge. The only thing that they admonish is that we take those things, events, and happenings with a grain of salt and understand that our assessment of the matter is better than the quitters'.
NOPE, go to new.familysearch*org and look at the OFFICIAL LDS marriage documents for the church. ONLY active members have access to them. We can START there.
You do realize that Joseph Smith was a polygamist and was a convicted fraud he also carried something called a Jupiter Talisman which supposedly throughout your entire life if you wore it would give u power over people,women, the government and it would give u the power go control peoples minds
@omiolo More Mormon Mincing of words. How about Celestial Plural Marriage? that soothe you and lull you into a sense of security. JS had Many Plural wives. He wrote the revelation and he practiced it.
I've done ALOT of research into this and other history...
..masons are not bad..im sure their may be a extremist group of them some where like any other world wide group...the rest is just people scared of the unknown.
Mormon leader Joseph Smith was a Freemason (Scottish Rite), its well documented that the illuminati order is part of Freemasonry (study Albert Pike). So ask your missionaries or Bishop's why was Joseph Smith apart of the Freemason order when, 1: Freemasonry is an occult belief not a religion, 2: Freemasons worship Lucifer, 3: Why didn't Joseph expose the Freemason occult when he started the Church, 4: Why are Masonic symbols and teachings evident in Mormon temples and churches.
@THELDSLIFE I just watched part 3. This is what I have to say. The symbols on the temple veil correspond exactly in shape and almost exactly in meaning with certain tools and moments in a masonic ritual. Also, what happens at the veil, including position assumed is identical to a masonic ritual. Only the words are different since masonry is not religion and mormonism is. Problem is for more details I would have to disrespect either mormons or masons. I would do neither.
@Millipedecult no Joseph was not a medium. I do know from what account your refering from though... He did have devine connection at first, but with a feeble gentile mentality, a lot fell on his shoulders. He couldnt contend with the fame. He was only to preach baptism and repentance after his work and only work (translation). But allowed things to get out of hand by the pleasures of men, allowing mens glory to fall on him. Things escalated, he needed the temporal aid, from what he was not...
IZ1111 13 hours ago
How are they misunderstood? If your not a mason then your the least candidate to explain Joseph Smith's connections with freemasonry. Like I said at first just an attempt to sugar coat an inconvinient truth.
Is a snake misunderstood? They are peacefull creatures everyone hates but if you provide an unfavorable situation for them, they will strike with no mercy to defend themselfs. Note the analogy.
IZ1111 1 day ago
The sword of His mouth, it cuts deep doesn't it. Learn what has never before been considered. The words of Isaiah speak of todays stumbling block. But I tell you, it pains me and makes me bitter to my stomach to say of these things to my fellow LDS friends, it is not a desireable feeling, but I do wish to disclose of plainess of the truth appointed for its time. And it will soon be time (Rev 10:8-11) is there not yet more things to come? Why do you stand idle when after you think you are learned
IZ1111 1 day ago
I say criminal because of the secret combinations hidden from the world, good or bad, its a severe crime against the Lord. It is written.
You may not see this because you are inside the box, distracted and influencing your perception to justify a well standing of your own identidy. Somewhat married to your understanding, and will naturaly defend your spouse from any negativity. It is who you are... but overcome this, have the strength to run. Enough of walking on the sholders of babylon.
IZ1111 1 day ago
@IZ1111 - Every man must follow Christ according to the dictates of his heart. I am not a Mason but I have been asked on more than 1 occasion to consider joining. The Masons do not offer a plan for "salvation" apart from Christ or suggest that somehow it comes through participating with them but I find what they do falls in line with much of what we learn from all Universal Truths. Don't have a dog in the fight but living in the world & not of the world is the key.
Voting: They're Misunderstood
THELDSLIFE 1 day ago
Dont change the subject, you have a nack for that in all your responses to comments.
Yes I do, I live among them, as many do, they are of good cheer. Still it like saying, my father is a criminal for a living, but because he is my father and does shows me kindness, I do not find fault in what he does.
IZ1111 1 day ago
Rev 2:12-16 ( note the many similarities )
Romans 9:33 (Don't be ashamed, there is a reason, overcome it)
This is directed towards you THELDSLIFE, I know you've ignored me this long either cause I trouble you or you dont want to deal with a percieved fool like me. Please respond though.
IZ1111 2 days ago
@IZ1111 - some have the misconception that I have an abundance of time. I probably get 100 comments a day and I'm sorry if your comments have fallen to the wayside.
We have proverbs of our own, in the church, which includes the Articles of Faith.
Article of faith 13, suggests that if there be anything .... of good report or praiseworthy, that we should seek after those things.
Every Freemason that I have met has generally been a good man and has mastered his passions. Do you know any Masons?
THELDSLIFE 1 day ago
@THELDSLIFE And can't forget Deuteronomy 4:2 and Revelation 22:19
ryanlifts100 2 days ago
@ryanlifts100 - you can't wrap yourself around the Bible when it's convenient to you. Would not Deuteronomy disqualify Joshua and every other prophet after Moses from writing anything? Wouldn't Moses's disappearance seem odd to you? Are we supposed to believe that Moses simply... "Disappeared???" - Hey there's a conspiracy theory in all of us but using those passages without context and without power makes them the weakest interpretations of scripture above badly interpreting Galatians 1:6-9...
THELDSLIFE 2 days ago
Smith was a 33rd degree freemason. Charles Taze Russell, founder of Jehovas Witness was another freemason. See the connection? I did ask God, and I am being led towards Protestant even though I have a catholic background. I'll leave you with some quotes too (Matthew 7:15, Galatian 1:8,)
ryanlifts100 2 days ago
There is LOTS of satanic symbolism in freemasonry, the illuminati hijacked the freemason movemment to advance their globalist agenda (washington wrote a letter addressing this fact) and Joseph smith is a clear false prophet and blasphemor, do not add on to or take away from the bible is a rule from the bible. We are waiting for Jesus second coming, nothing more, not some Masonic scam artist trying to stray people off path
ryanlifts100 3 days ago
@ryanlifts100 - there is lots of Symbolism that has been hijacked by Satanic and other groups who follow the occult but it is not up to me to convince you that God has called prophets once more. That responsibility alone belongs to God and he can confirm to you the true path. God has called Israel home for one final time and there are prophets in Israel once more. The burden of proof is not on men alone. (See 1 John 5:9 and know by which power I know these things. See also James 1:5-6)
THELDSLIFE 2 days ago
For those of you that dont know about or see the connection between freemasonry and old jewish (judah) beliefs. Well freemasonry is very much based around Solomon's temple, which included many ancient religions and beliefs from outside pegan countries at that time. From Egypt to Babylon beliefs and others. Lets not forget the infamous Hiram. Dont you find it strange where the fountain for the baptism for the dead came from? Brazen/Molten Sea? Theres a reason God destroyed Jerusalem so many times
IZ1111 6 days ago
Imaging if The BoM was never hid from the world after the extinction of the Nephites. What if it would have eventualy fallen into the hands of the Laminites. Then corrupting its stories and events in the manner that they would want it to be understood. Well thats exactly what happened to the Bible, the Old Testament has been corrupted by the victor tribe of the land, Judah and its idolatry ways. While the House of Israel remains lost, only known to God. This is the mystery that many stumble upon
IZ1111 6 days ago
...So is the same with the house of Israel and the house of Judah. Judah being the eldest son, his tribe was very prideful just has Lamans tribe. The house of Israel holding most of the tribes but Judahs one tribe always separated themselves because of their pride, leading to their own wicked idolatry and ways. Once Judah became reigning tribe by King David, there was no stopping Judah. But by the hand of God all the other tribes were guided away, thus making the lost tribes of Israel.
IZ1111 6 days ago
Very well explained stonerownalien. But allow me to explain this mystery into a better understanding or point of view that my LDS friends may comprehend...
Just has there were two tribes (Nephites and Lamanites) that split from the family of Lehi. One being righteous and the other wicked. But the wicked tribe came out victor in the end result, while the righteous tribe was dispersed into other lands by the hand of God or mixed with the wicked tribe because of their own wickedness....
IZ1111 6 days ago
freemasonry is derived from the ancient mystery religions, and promotes pagan/occult symbols in the lodge. It also derives some of their rituals from the ancient jewish kaballah, it is a pagan occult institution and is not compatible with Christianity in any way.
stonebrownalien 1 week ago
And many will say; Why do you hate so much this great establishment that God has placed in our modern times, a great new Jerusalem. Yes there will be some flaws but they are of man, we today just seek to come closer to God with good will. So our flaws will be strengthen. We are good people seeking only the goodwill of our Lord. We are in the wonderful truth, we have no need to go away from this glory, its foolishness.... to my LDS bretheren, did not Laman and Lemuel think and say the same?
IZ1111 1 week ago
...the "unlearned servant" and the "chosen seer" spoken in the BoM are NOT THE SAME PERSON. Read and search and understand it well. I will not unfold it all, you must discover the broader truth for yourselfs...
IZ1111 1 week ago
Oliver Cowdery, David Whitmer, Martin Harris, all very good and close freinds to Joseph Smith. The very witnesses to the BoM, that do not deny its truth. They left Joseph, the very men from the beginning of it all, felt as if things have gone wrong, and couldnt continue in the direction that Joseph was taking things. So they are classified as "dissenters" because of Joseph. His very own friends, knew how bad things became in the early church. Why did they truly leave??? Hhmmmm....
IZ1111 2 weeks ago
Ok and Im back... Its just simple, Joseph Smith was a failed prohpet because he wasnt meant to be a prophet in the first place. But just a servant. He knowing this, had to outreach for other aid and protection from constant persacution. Which persecution God said will deliver if they would transgress against His will. Joseph definetly needed a gameplan change that met his needs and wishes. So he became friends with Mammon....
IZ1111 2 weeks ago
I am an American. I am a Freemason. And a proud Mormon.
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Galatians 1:6-8
6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Millipedecult 2 weeks ago
@LDS4Life71 Come to the truth :)
Galatians 1:6-8 6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Millipedecult 2 weeks ago
@Millipedecult - that scripture dooms the mission of Jesus Christ if applied to Mary and Joseph receiving an angelic messenger because Jesus came and preached a different gospel. Any good Jew knows that Jesus preached a different gospel. The problem with reading Galatians 1: 6-9 is that no one can take you seriously. You read this verse seriously out of context, you forget chapters 2 and 3 which helps clarify it, most of Acts, and ignoring that Peter, Paul, John, and others saw MANY angels!
THELDSLIFE 2 weeks ago
@THELDSLIFE Read this. It says gospel of Christ. Jesus came here to put the law of God into our hearts, by fulfilling the law, and making the ultimate sacrifice. The Old Testament is NOT a gospel of Christ. And Joseph didn't just see angels, he saw dead people, Jesus, and God himself. Despite the dozens of scriptures that warn people of messages sent by dead spirits, Joseph still allowed himself to become deceived by moroni, the devil in disguise. In this sense, Joseph is a medium.
Millipedecult 16 hours ago
@Millipedecult Further more, the gospel of Christ is complete, his parables intact, the path of salvation outlined, and yet despite the multitude of bible verses that back these claims up, Joseph Smith perverted the truth, and outlined the Aaronic priesthood. Funny thing is that the 'powers' of the Aaronic priesthood, are the ones that Jesus imparted unto his believers. Priesthood, whether it be Catholic or Mormon, is heretical.
Millipedecult 16 hours ago
@Millipedecult Joseph talked with dead spirits, making him a medium. He failed in more than one prophecy, making him a liar. And has perverted the Gospel of Christ, making him accursed by God.
Millipedecult 16 hours ago
@Millipedecult - your subscription at Magic Monthly has been renewed, it looks like...
THELDSLIFE 13 hours ago
masonry is satanism plain and simple, no ifs, ands, or buts. if you read ANY of the works of early masons you would KNOW this, just as you KNOW GOD. i dont know the connection between LDS nowadays and masonry, but if Joe smith was a mason i would be worried.
torymorton 3 weeks ago
@torymorton - the Satanic builders of the Masons hold places in history for the building up of this great nation. It's not a perfect nation but striving to become a more perfect union... but I do not hold men like George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Norman Vincent Peale and other greats throughout history with the disdain that you seem to hold for those men who have been responsible for taking men out of the stone age and into the industrial/information age. They above all others use their mind
THELDSLIFE 2 weeks ago
Ok, my great grandfather was a step or steps above a master mason and my uncle is a master mason. What does this mean for me? Should I study masonry? By the way, I was just told this when I turned 21. Im paralyzed, and my Dad and uncle wanted to take me to "Shriners"? can someone help me out with these questions. please.
TCALEGIC 3 weeks ago
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The message that they are in constant encouragement is completely regarding being the best person you can be with the thought of God as your guider, protector, and actions that are to please God. And Charity... there should be revered as a model in the giving of alms and charity for those in need... NOT even the Catholic church can be compared to their good works in this area. As for Joseph Smith... dunno enough but I do believe their actions and faith is a great example for all!!!
di4homes 4 weeks ago
Nice Vid... I would like to say perhaps slow the time frame between words because one in reading and absorbing what is being written... could use more processing time. 2nd for the people that are slamming this vid... Show me an example of a comparable religion today that is more virtuous.... Young men devote 2 years of their life... to live, breath and teach others with a pure heart with only the reward of God in their sight... that is noble (IMHO).
di4homes 4 weeks ago
This person obviously has no knowledge on the origin of Freemasonry or the frats, and if they do they are purposefully deceiving the viewers in gearing their minds away from looking at such truth. "To you sovereign grand inspector general, we say this and you may repeat it to the brethren of the 32nd, 31st and 30th degrees - the Masonic religion should be by all of us initiates of the high degrees [ J.Smith], MAINTAINED IN THE PURITY OF THE LUCIFERIAN DOCTRINE." - Albert Pike 33rd degree Master
maarango1 4 weeks ago
@maarango1 - well whip out your credentials!!!
THELDSLIFE 4 weeks ago
@THELDSLIFE Here's a good place for you to start: Morals and Dogma by Albert Pike, The Secret Teachings of All the Ages by Manly P. Hall, The Two Babylons by Alexander Hislop, Behold a Pale Horse by William Cooper, The God Makers by Ed Decker and Dave Hunt. These are just a few books with documented facts that will help those who seek truth to find it. Study what the "Jupiter" talisman is and used for in the pagan occult rituals. It's a documented fact that Joseph Smith died and was buried w/one
maarango1 4 weeks ago
@maarango1- I didn't ask about someone elses ability to write books. I am asking about your credentials. Of which, I do not know you nor do I know any of those men who write books... except for the Ed Deckers of the world. If you associate men with "Ed Decker" then you must have the same caliber of men.
Ed Decker: Was capable of being excommunicated by the church for committing adultery against his wife and companion he was once sealed to in a temple and was guilty. What makes him credible?
THELDSLIFE 4 weeks ago
@THELDSLIFE look man, you really don't know what your talking about at all. What good is a credential? That has not a thing to do with anything that I or you have stated. The facts are there for anyone who wants to research. I suggest you stop following a religion and use the common sense that God gave you. The key word in ignorance is "ignore" which is why people are called such a thing. They ignore the things that make them uncomfortable. I love you and I hope that you'll think for yourself ..
maarango1 3 weeks ago
@maarango1 I own two BOM and they are completely different, but all the mormons swear that the other one is wrong and theirs is right. I personally study material. I don't need a piece of paper to prove my studies. God gave me a brain and the choice to use it. Man is who tells you your not good enough unless you meet their standards. Do me just one favor and answer me this, Luke 23:44 says the darkness covered for only 3 hours, 3 Nephi 8:19 & 23 clearly says 3 days? Which one is lying?
maarango1 3 weeks ago
@maarango1 And just to throw it out there, the Live in Girlfriend comment was unnecessary. I challenge the false doctrines with the Word of God and the wisdom of the Lord. I pray God enlightens you. Here are some credentials from God, I suggest you look them up and compare them to your teachings. (Jn 4:24 - Lk24:9) (Isah 44:6,8,24, 45:5-7, 21-22, 46:5,9) (Mal 3:6) (Gal 1:6-9) (Rev 22:19) Gods Word lines up from the OT to the NT. He will not contradict Himself. But the BOM is full of contrary.
maarango1 3 weeks ago
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@maarango1 Go to BMAF.org
and you may research why the event of the darkness in the bible, and the book of mormon are different.
Read the article that talks about the volcanoes and earthquakes, and you'll see why the events were different. Central america has geological evidence that such an event happened at the time of Christ's death/resurrection.
EvangelicalsRLiars 2 weeks ago
@maarango1 - Ed Decker? Morals? Indeed, let's talk Morals and Dogma a la the
"Ed Deckers" of this world.
Whatever makes it easier for you to sleep with your "Live In Girlfriend" better at night!
THELDSLIFE 4 weeks ago
This video is the typical Mormons reply on anything that contradicts what they believe. "You just have to have faith that its real...You have to have faith that Joseph Smith is telling the truth" Well I have faith that the Bible is true and as far as I've researched, the BOM is calls the Bible a lie, is blasphemy. I own 2 different kinds of BOM, so different from each other and each sect of Mormon says the same thing, "You have to have faith that it's true. God tells us through the spirit.WRONG
maarango1 4 weeks ago
God didn't place Moses in the hands of Egyptian royalty to become a leader. Exodus 4:10-12 Moses said himself to God that he has NEVER been good with speaking to people. A trait that would be developed in becoming a leader. God said, " Who made mans mouth? I did?" So you can obviously see that Moses became the leader from trusting in God, not learning from Egypt.
maarango1 4 weeks ago
@LDS4life71 hmm Im a lousy ex mormon because I've been doing my own homework on my own religion. Searching and praying with the actual scriptures and church historical documents, instead of just relying on what the basic and very norrow view of joseph smith's story everyone is told. Yeah, I'm pretty lousy.
IZ1111 1 month ago
It's not about you. It's all about God...the living, almighty God that created you.
hollygraphics1 1 month ago
Jesus Lives. Prepare for the after-life. It may not be what you expected.
hollygraphics1 1 month ago
None of todays aligations against the LDS church is a cause of the Book of Mormon, but infact the Book of Mormon itself speaks agaisnt such abominations that the church has adopted. Its the churchs traditions itself that has corrupted its name! This is why Im bitter! Because this beautiful book of God has been abused and stepped on like a FLOORMAT by this church. So I say that YOU must read the Book of Mormon thoroughly to understand its true prophesies!
IZ1111 1 month ago
Also you advise me to read the scriptures? Well to that I say that The Book of Mormon is the true word of God, that in fact it speaks against this LDS church itself. It is this modern restoration corrupted by freemasonry that has caused a "stumbling stone" to exist upon it. Causing the confusion and hate towards the Book of Mormon by everyone else. D&C and todays modern revelations have corrupted the Book of Mormon and have stained it as being seen as cult like and devilsh....
IZ1111 1 month ago
Now to all those that sat my problem is a failure to understand the holy spirit. That I must be wrong, I cannot possibly be right. How can the "true" church that God himself placed be wrong, we have men that talk directly with God. Its blasphemy to think otherwise. That I must be wrong, theres no other explination... To this I say, Do you not detect at least the slightest bit of "pride" from this way of thinking??
IZ1111 1 month ago
@THELDSLIFE so what kind of videos are you presenting and focusing on, how to ride a bike? Your clearly defending mormonism with a deceitful and cunning approach. Still, using gospel doctine to acquire this task. I may have bitterness, but only towards such abominations that many defend just because it goes agaisnt ones religion. As if one is defending his spouse from accusations of cheating, even if true, one still defends the spouse because of ones devotion towards.
IZ1111 1 month ago
@THELDSLIFE your unpleasant sarcasm in a your video responses are not the level of what I would expect from someone who promotes the true gospel. Instead of understanding them, you mock them. And your deceitful aproach in most are your vids is alarming in comparison to how the gospel should be known.
IZ1111 1 month ago
@IZ1111 - this isn't a video about the Gospel in general and I wasn't worried about hurting your feelers with my comments because you weren't concerned with spatting off what you wanted to say as a bitter, spiteful exmormon. You left the path a long time ago so no amount of sweetness is going to entice you home, Unless you do as the scriptures suggest and yield to the enticings of his holy spirit and put off the natural man, you may remain in that state of bitterness which is self created.
THELDSLIFE 1 month ago
@alexgomez2 ....But so many dont have this desire to "run" and become stronger in the truth of His ways and understanding. So they 'stay' and are humbled, which is a great virtue in His sight. But there are many that stay and walk, and find their happiness His rock. But how proud would He be for those who pray for the strength to RUN.
IZ1111 1 month ago
@alexgomez2 ...He knows them well, and when they ask for His wisdom and mysteries of this world, be it for or against His purpose for His rock. He will pour down his truths according to their faith and capable understanding. Isnt it tought that He will only allow you to suffer only what one has strength to suffer during hardships. Or if you pray for patience, will He not cause a situation for you to increase and learn patience from. So is the same if you would ask Him to "run"....
IZ1111 1 month ago
@alezgomez2 ...He knows who is strong and who is weak and must needs stay in on a rock. His secure rock of foundation. But He knows that are some, a few, who desire to 'run', to understand more things, wiser things, His wonderful mysteries. But only He knows who is capable of 'running' and not falling from it. For He doesnt desire for us to fall from by this world. So He counsels us to stay in our hearts, on His rock. But to those who He knows well can perhaps endure the run....
IZ1111 1 month ago
@alexgomez2 I respect your humble understanding on what your heart has found, it is a wonderful find, a rock, the rock of His salvation. But in response to you, i say that our Heavenly Father knows all his children. He knows every soul that He created so well, that he knows who can 'walk' or must stand still. He knows who can 'run' for He knows he is capable of the strength... There are many truths in this world, that our Lord knows in whom has the strength to accept and endure harder truths...
IZ1111 1 month ago
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Synth3t1cs 2 months ago
@Synth3t1cs - Funny... thats why the Jews killed Christ. And they used the SCRIPTURES to prove their points!
THELDSLIFE 2 months ago
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Synth3t1cs 1 month ago
Faith is the abscense of critical thinking... If you have faith that a 14 year old boy saw god and jesus and then made recounted three different versions, then I don't believe you've done much critical thinking. The last version, created in 1838, is the one the Mormons adhere to today.
Judyiack 2 months ago
I AM A FORMER MORMON AND LEARNED HOW MISLEADING THIS CHURCH CAN BE.
THESE CLIPS IS NOTHING SHORTER THAN JUST SIMPLY "SUGERCOATING" AN INCONVENIENT TRUTH.
IZ1111 2 months ago
@IZ1111 - I suppose you think that Global Warming is man made, that we didn't land on the moon, or that there is no God either.
THELDSLIFE 2 months ago
@THELDSLIFE Actually I do believe in God and his son Jesus Christ. To the rest I have no opinions. But I do say that FreeMasonry is the abomination spoken of and prophesied by Both BoM and Book of Revelations as the "secret combinations". Thats right I believe in the Book of Mormon, IT IS A TREASURE that the whore of this world has infultrated, using it as a FLOOR MAT! to welcome all believers in christ into it. Instead of it being truly its center, D&C has taken over to rule over Gods word...
IZ1111 2 months ago
@THELDSLIFE Why do you uphold masonry???? It is an abominations in the eyes of our God. Why do you not ask God to tell you the truth? Why do you seek and search the scriptures, are they not plain and true??? Why do you alter what is wrong and what is right??? Seek for righteousness, Seek for truth. Knock and you shall recieve. Why do you make a wolf be percieved as a lamb????
IZ1111 2 months ago
@IZ1111 - Thank you for inviting this LDS friend and vicariously all LDS to seek the truth. I have to confess that my search ended thirty something years ago when I found the truth in the Gospel of Jesus Christ and His only true and living Church, The Church of Jesus Chris of Latter Day Saints. I´m happy to acknowledges that God is alive and that He DOES answer prayers and that, contrary to the enemies of truth believe, God actually speak to men who see Him (James 1:5). Now you ask and learn.
alexgomez2 2 months ago
@THELDSLIFE I pray you realize the Egyptian Occultist ideals that masons hold true to, as well as mormons. It is not cooincedence, that Joseph bought the papyri and dis-translated into something about Abraham. Nor is it cooincedence, that he practiced magic, was a mason, indoctrinated baptism for the dead, and taught exaltation.
Millipedecult 2 months ago
@Millipedecult - ZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz........... Snore... Boring!
THELDSLIFE 2 months ago
@THELDSLIFE I also pray that you discontinue to thrive from this back and forth. I hope you do some serious bible study, and search in the bible for things like "god was once a man", exaltation, baptism for the dead, you will not find any bible verses supporting these viewpoints. Priesthood is about works, salvation is by grace.
Romans 4:5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness
Millipedecult 1 month ago
@Millipedecult - thank you for watching this video and making just one more view more popular and leaving a comment. This too attracts people to view this wonderful channel set apart for the opinion free showings of the restored gospel of Jesus Christ and what also interests others in the LDS faith including but not limited to Church History, actual doctrine, and other things that have come forward to this earth. Truly, knowledge is filling the whole earth as per Habakkuk 2:14
THELDSLIFE 1 month ago
The first five presidents of the LDS church were free masons, and so were a few US presidents, senators and well respected businessmen. The big question is, how much of the temple endowment ceremony did Joseph Smith Jr. pilfer? As far as I can tell, not much.
mserovey 2 months ago
@mserovey - If anything, it was a blue print on HOW TO DO A CEREMONY... remembering that before this day, he was a farm boy who did manual labor and wasn't raised up to understand those kinds of things. Still... I think it was an inspired move by God to put him in this position or to inspire him onto learning a few things from his environment? God can't create something from nothing so Joseph could neither do what he had to do with little or NO knowledge of what a ritual should look like. Right?
THELDSLIFE 2 months ago
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"I do not regard my own life. I am ready to be offered a sacrifice for this people; for what can our enemies do? Only kill the body, and their power is then at an end. Stand firm, my friends; never flinch. Do not seek to save your lives, for he that is afraid to die for the truth, will lose eternal life.... God has tried you. You are a good people; therefore I love you with all my heart. Greater love hath no man than that he should lay down his life for his friends."
Joseph Smith 1844
dorisfenella 2 months ago
Hello, please, I need this video to be translated into Spanish with subtitles if someone is so kind ... I will thank you
Mrmarianpriest 3 months ago
those that doubt or are trying to disprove evidence as it emerges (and yes, more and more will show up), are the same people that will demand to see the wounds when our savior returns.
schnucklefutz 3 months ago
@schnucklefutz - OR WORSE! They will seek ways to tell God that it's not POSSIBLE for the Book of Mormon to have been inspired by the same God of the Old and New Testaments and they will argue with God over the matter!!!!!!!!!!!
THELDSLIFE 3 months ago
@THELDSLIFE I wonder if the so called "Born agains" or "Evangelicals" actually know that the Freemasons came about from the original Crusaders Templar Knights? This group was around 1 thousand years before the born again and evangelicals were even a glimer in some ones eye. maybe they're thinking these 2 groups are cults..lol :-)
schnucklefutz 3 months ago
SAN ANTONIO -- The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has launched a massive media campaign targeting a dozen cities, including San Antonio.
omiolo 3 months ago
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The free masonry is the Illuminati, worshipping Lucifer, and lying about Jesus Christ. THey will all end up in the Lake of Fire.
chanses2 4 months ago
and since the ones who dare post here seem to think they know so much. i have a question for you. Who are you going to shake your secret hand shakes to?
God? Should I really believe that we need to have a secret to shake Gods hand in a Mason way for him to recognize me as some one who is saved?
shed some light pls
pepstuge 4 months ago
@pepstuge - how prepared are you to become Kings and Priests unto the Most High God? - See Revelations 1:5-6, Revelations 3:19-21 - this may help answer your question. Since if it is up to US to be found as Kings and Priests unto the Most High (in order to be Exalted) then u should probably suppose that there's much that one must have left to learn about this action. (Since none others venture to teach this or prepare its members to become)
THELDSLIFE 4 months ago
@pepstuge - either I have reason and have stumped you or you simply don't want to continue the discussion. What most people fail to remember is that the "House of Israel" is laden with ritual and temple worship. Modern Israel would have also many of those temple rites restored into their perfected forms of restitution along with anything else that existed in the primitive church namely apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists and so forth as outlined in the New Test. See Acts 3:19-21
THELDSLIFE 3 months ago
i know that in the bible Christ said don't preach to these people. only preach to these other people. ok what else? did he brake laws? or did he share laws with people and then broke them? im sick of learning of laws that J Smith broke all the while claiming he was a true profit and was restoring the only true gospel. do your brother here a favor and shade me some light so that i can go back to church with a full understanding of how god works in shady secretive hand shake ways. :)
pepstuge 4 months ago
since we are not stating here that god told us that this is not the true church. at least Im not doing so. but simply stating things that are found in the mormon church records. how about if your going to say something that contradicts it. you also try and use some factual facts that make since. Explain me why God would use a shady secretive way for people to get to him. as well as restore the true gospel in such opposite why then what Christ did. or maybe shed light on how christ was shady
pepstuge 4 months ago
and why did J Smith have to marry woman who were at the time married to living man? this is a strange commandment of god for him since it brakes many laws and make little to no since. maybe if i trust blindly and don't care about anything such as this i could also join the reform polygamist church as well. after all they have not changed anything from the time J Smith was alive. i think as mormons we run out of ways to cover up the past. we just want to believe.
pepstuge 4 months ago
profit gordon b said on an interview trying to shift the blame away from him self. that it was the way the leaders (j Smith) interpreted the doctrine at that time!
well the story the church tells us from the church history and church records does not match. so how are we to trust on the leaders who claim to be interpreting the doctrine today? are we to be blind and trust blinded that now they are not making mistakes? they have behaved in shady ways from the start. so help me understand here pls
pepstuge 4 months ago
Why would God want to restore the gospel on earth with a profit that is shady? if he was not then why does the church history and records show that he was? why would he be so weak to need a gun to kill humans who want his blood?
lams going to a stutter house don't bring guns with them! do they? pls give some information here that shows you do know our church history. so that we can best understand where you are getting your testimony from! thank you
pepstuge 4 months ago
and J Smith broke the word of wisdom when he had a few drinks in the last days of his life. this is not the behavior of a man with a mantel of god. this leaves a lot to be desired and investigated. why is the mormon god so small that he hides behind secret hand shakes and temples? pls explain this to me
oh and lies about polygamy. if it was the way you say it was. then why the need to hide from anything or anyone? remember also that there has been no revelation to stop polygamy so.....?
pepstuge 4 months ago
so god tells J Smith to have many woman. but then he cant teach him some temple rituals that are different then that of the Masons? hmm this sounds like fanatic want to believe in what ever the leaders say bs. why does a profit of god who is a seer. and has visions to come up with things like D&C etc. need to learn some retarded free Masons crap. and then make them part of temple work for salvation. this sounds like bullshit really. pls explain active ones
pepstuge 4 months ago
@pepstuge Joseph smith never had multiple wives, polygamy was not placed till Brigham young was placed as a prophet and many men lost their lives because of religious persecution i really dont know much of this free mason thing.D&C well that's a chapter of the life of an LDS its a story on how he received revelation and stuff, its pretty good you should read it .. well the first temple was the kirtland temple in Ohio which he received revelation of the lord to build a house of god, read d&c 88
sonicvap4 4 months ago
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@LDS4Life71 Thank you for showing your true colors for the world to see. I have no doubt that you are capable of getting ugly.
victorias50 4 months ago
@LDS4Life71 Wrong! -- Educate yourself before responding. Do the research. Even the "Church" knows this is true. They don't deny it. They also don't deny the "fact" that the Book of Abraham is now proven fiction. Educate yourself.
victorias50 4 months ago
@LDS4Life71 You're not understanding my original comment. Yes, of course temple work was done in ancient times. What I was saying is: "Modern day Free Masons" added new rituals in the 17th century...that would be in the mid 1600's...that's NOT ancient times. The MASON's added NEW rituals...not by revelation. J.S. used those "new" rituals in creating the pre 1990 temple ceremony and then claimed it was "restored". Not possible, since the new rituals didn't exist in ancient times.
victorias50 4 months ago
@LDS4Life71 I see you have no intentions of addressing the question or comment, or you clearly don't understand it. The double talk is evidence of that. I won't continue.
victorias50 4 months ago
@LDS4Life71 I have no idea what your reply means. I'm not being fallacious! I really don't know understand what you're saying. My point was, if a ritual was "added" to the Masonic ceremony in the 17th century, it couldn't possibly have been part of the original ritual from Biblical days, which was supposedly "restored" by J.S.?
victorias50 4 months ago
I don't fear the Free Masons, quite the opposite. Church members are raised on the untruth that their are "similarities" in their ceremonies and the Mason's because the Masons "passed down" the original ceremony over the centuries from the era of Kind David. Then J.S. "restored" the original ceremony through revelation from God. This can't be true because some of the Mason's rituals were "added" in the 17th century...but "showed up" in the Mormon rituals as part of the "restored" rituals. Hmm..
victorias50 4 months ago
@LDS4Life71 EAT me looser!!
blueangel528hz 4 months ago
@fairlds.org I still think the real question is, why would God have his Prophet join the Freemasons who actively work againt Churches and promote Agnositicism? Joeseph Smith had a continual hunger for mystery and buried treasure. He enjoyed making things up. How many Freemasons believe that any part of the Book of Mormon is true? Why was the Temple in Nauvoo built only a few blocks away from the Masonic Lodge? I think the answers are self evident.
Colfax11000 4 months ago
As The Zionists Masons are all Controlled by the UNHOLY EVIL VATICAN JESUIT ORDER. One does not have to look to far to learn the TRUTH it is all written down their plan for A NWO total enslavement of the HUMAN-RACE a micro chipped population they are total Satanic.. MAY GOD HELP US HUMAN-RACE against the EVIL ONES.
blueangel528hz 4 months ago
@blueangel528hz WELL HERES SOMEONE WITH SOME REAL SENSE MY RESPECT TO YOU AND THOUGH WE CAN DO LITTLE TO FIGHT THE MONSTER ATLEAST WE KNOW WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON IN THE WORLD...HELL NO INGNORANCE IS NOT BLISS!!! THEY THINK THEY ARE SO SLICK WITH ALL THEIR SYMBOLISM, BUT WHEN YOU KNOW THEIR TRICKS ITS EASY TO IDENTIFY THEM...
CASTANEDA83 4 months ago
@copperman1964 - P.S. Read on... Jacob 2: 27-31... it goes on to explain righteous reasons to follow through with the practice of actual PLURAL MARRIAGE and no, the kind that the Nephite Dissenters were practicing did not involve "marriage" or "permission" so reading scriptures under the PROPER CONTEXT is actually worth it's weight.
THELDSLIFE 4 months ago
I CALL BULSHIG ON THIS VIDEO MAN!!! DONT FEED PEOPLE THIS SHIT!!! THE FREEMASONS ARE THE SAME MOTHERFUCKERS WHO ARE WORKING TOWARDS A ONE WORLD GOVERMENT THE SAME PEOPLE WHO COMMIT POLITICAL ASSASINATIONS THE SAME PEOPLE WHO ASSASINATED J.F.K. AND OTHER FAMILY MEMBERS FOR NOT BEING PART OF THEIR SECRET OCCULT SOCIETIES THE FUCKERS WHO BROUGHT DOWN THE TOWERS SO YEA I WOULD FEAR THOSE ASSHOLES TOO!!! TELL PEOPLE THE TRUTH...LOOK AT ALL THE SHIT JOSEPH SMITH MADE UP WE ALL KNOW THAT ITS BULLSHIT!!
CASTANEDA83 4 months ago
@CASTANEDA83 - wow guy. You belong on an episode of the "X-Files"
THELDSLIFE 4 months ago
@THELDSLIFE YEA??? WELL WE WILL SEE IN THE END ITS CUS OF MORONS LIKE YOU THAT DONT WANT TO OPEN THEIR EYES THAT THESE ASSHOLES GET AWAY WITH SO MUCH SHIT....YOU HAVE YOUR HEAD SO FAR UP YOUR ASS YOU DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON AROUND YOU IN YOUR OWN COUNTRY!!! SO RELAX HAVE ANOTHER BURGER AND SOME FRYS WHILE YOUR FREEDOMS ARE TAKEN FROM YOU!!! ANDMOST TIMESTHEY DONT HAVE TO TAKE THEM YOU JUST GIVE THEM UP CUS YOUBUY INTO ALL THEIR SHIT!!!
CASTANEDA83 4 months ago
@CASTANEDA83 yes all one has to do is read the PROTOCOLS OF THE ELDERS OF ZION !! The FREEMASONS are Totally EVIL they work for their MASTER SATAN to bring in the NWO. Anyone that takes OUR GOD Given FREEWILL away For Their Master Blue-Blood Elites are a total disgrace to Humanity and they all Know it as a lot of them work in the Police force banking,political protecting our EVIL Controllers It is Called ZIONISM The EVIL cabal!! The Truth will set Humanity Free ..
blueangel528hz 4 months ago
@blueangel528hz YES THATS SO RIGHT! IM GLAD THERE IS STILL PEOPLE WHO HAVENT BOUGHT INTO ALL THIS CRAP...I FINALLY GET A REAL RESPONSE BACK FROM SOMEONE WHO HAS REAL KNOWLEDGE...
CASTANEDA83 4 months ago
@CASTANEDA83 - Yay! We finally get another opinion!!! Woohoooooooooo!
THELDSLIFE 4 months ago
James, a Martin Harris scholar, is the author of "The Man Who Knew," the dramatic production of Harris' life held at his gravesite in Clarkston, Utah, each year.
Last week my wife and I not only drove to Cache Valley to see "The Man Who Knew," but, along with several others, spent part of the evening with Rhett and his wife, Alice, before making the trip.
omiolo 5 months ago
Making fun of Mormons is easy stuff. Mainstream Christians and Jews have the mists of time to cushion any inspection of their peculiar stories.We've got accustomed to the Red Sea parting, Lazarus rising. It was all so long ago. The patina of antiquity, backed up by great religious institutions reaching back a thousand years or more, bequeaths respectability.
omiolo 5 months ago
Masons worship a god not the God. They believe they can become a God. Rightly dividing truth for them selfs. Because they are at the top they feel as though they can make and change reality. they believe in truth as long as it fits there own idea of truth. I believe it was the Masons that tarred and feathered Mr.
Smith and then went on to killed him. There was a mob of Masons out side the Jail and he gave the sign for help and no one came to his aid. I could go on..
soldatna 5 months ago
@soldatna "Masons worship a god not the God"
while NOT a Mason expert myself, I can STILL tell you are wrong and confused.
omiolo 5 months ago
While the exact geographical setting for the Book of Mormon is still an open question, Dr. Allen was one of the pioneers in researching and publishing on the possible settings beginning with his dissertation on the legendary white god, Quetzalcoatl in 1970. In this rebroadcast of an audio interview recorded several years ago,
omiolo 5 months ago
Dr. Allen talks about why he became interested in the subject and how a knowledge of Book of Mormon culture and place as drawn from the scripture itself can bless us spiritually.
omiolo 5 months ago
@copperman1964 - I will answer you in PM...
THELDSLIFE 5 months ago
@copperman1964 - it would be very similar but God uses what already exists on earth to fulfill purposes... (unless you think he waved a magic wand and made matter appear from out of no where.)
Could what the masons did have added structure to the already complex, ancient temple rites and ritual?
That would be like saying, as an author, that if I began writing Suspense Thrillers with an original story of my own, that some would say that I wouldn't be a writer if it weren't for Tom Clancy...
THELDSLIFE 5 months ago
John Lynch is FAIR's Chairman of the Board. He thinks the Mormon Defense League is a type of anti-defamation league. "Except with Mormon nice. We bite, but we are polite," Lynch said, then added, "And afterwards we show an increase in love."
omiolo 5 months ago
According to the newspapers and court records of his time and place. And his racism can be shown by the disgustingly racist quality of his "reelations"; his sexism and terrible actions towards women can be checked in your own church's records.
NixonisLord 5 months ago
@NixonisLord - so because you see "written words" and "phrases" taken out of context, it makes perfect sense to suggest that the sources are 100% credible? The arguments are tired and boring; refuted time and time again. The law of Plural Marriage has always been greatly misunderstood, even by Christians brandishing a bible and call it scripture (forgetting much of the Old Testament I may add) there is nothing really save your word only or the words of others like yourself to condemn the man.
THELDSLIFE 5 months ago
@NixonisLord - remembering this; The Jews used the scriptures and their cultural beliefs to kill Jesus. In fact, he was accused of being a heretic and a liar and a blasphemer and who knows what else. They used men who gave testimony against Jesus and they did not question their credibility and he was 100% guilty without a defense but what exists today are the facts and none of them are hiding; they are simply being interpreted and subject to assessment. Whose assessment do you follow after?
THELDSLIFE 5 months ago
Actually, people mock Mormons because Smith was a fraud and a liar and racist and terrible to women. Contributed precisely nothing to the good of the world.
NixonisLord 5 months ago
@NixonisLord - according to whom?
THELDSLIFE 5 months ago
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Nearly 60 youth volunteers hailing from throughout West Virginia and parts of Ohio lent a helping hand Thursday to the neighborhood around the Boys & Girls Club of Parkersburg.
The West Virginia Mormon Youth Conference is working this week to build a Habitat for Humanity home on Stephenson Avenue.
omiolo 5 months ago
Nearly 60 youth volunteers hailing from throughout West Virginia and parts of Ohio lent a helping hand Thursday to the neighborhood around the Boys & Girls Club of Parkersburg.
The West Virginia Mormon Youth Conference is working this week to build a Habitat for Humanity home on Stephenson Avenue.
omiolo 5 months ago
Setu is tearing into a slice of pizza inside the Mormon church's Welsh headquarters when we arrive to catch a glimpse of an existence about as far removed from that of an NRL professional as one can imagine. The 23-year-old, a quality second-rower who played 64 games for the Dragons and the Broncos as well as two Tests for Samoa, greets us with a full mouth, then a large smile.
omiolo 5 months ago
Have all of the bridges have been repaired after Josephs failed attempt at, "is there no help for the widows son"?
awolLDSasap 5 months ago
@awolLDSasap "is there no help for the widows son"
you have NO idea what that means do you?
omiolo 5 months ago
@omiolo It's a Masonic cry for help that rose from a ficticious story about masons working on Solomons temple. Joseph and Hyrums death were the wages of their sins.
awolLDSasap 5 months ago
Joseph said there were plain and precious truths removed from the Bible. What are they? People would like to know.
awolLDSasap 5 months ago
@awolLDSasap "Joseph said there were plain and precious truths removed from the Bible"
Yes, did you LOOK them up or does YOUR ignorance continue?
omiolo 5 months ago
@omiolo haha.. Where are these plain a precious truths? In Joseph ignorant translation of the Bible?
awolLDSasap 5 months ago
@awolLDSasap "In Joseph ignorant "
The ONLY person IGNORANT here is YOU. It is YOU that is NOT aware of things. That should be OBVIOUS.
omiolo 5 months ago
@awolLDSasap "It's a Masonic cry for help that rose from a ficticious story"
NO, It is similar to what Christ said before He died. But please continue to verbally STONE the Prophets, it will make the day of Judgment easier.
omiolo 5 months ago
I have 20 gallons of whitewash if you need more.
awolLDSasap 5 months ago
J.S. married the widow of William Morgan, of "The Morgan Affair" (posted). He was murdered by Knights Templar FM for writing a book on the 1st 3 degrees of FM. Odd thing, widow Morgan was already married to Mr Harris when she married JS. JS and everyone In jail, was a FM and was killed in a FM jail fully controlled by FM, the Deputy, Sheriff, Gov', etc. THEN Widow Morgan-Harris married Joe! For eternity! and Hubby Harris for Time! How did she feel loosing 2 husbands to ritual Freemason murders?
IExposeMormonism 5 months ago
@IExposeMormonism "J.S. married the widow of William Morgan"
Actually Joseph Smith ONLY married Emma Hale Smith. Nice try though.
omiolo 5 months ago
@omiolo You're about as funny as that smiley face of yours. "The Nauvoo Endowment Companies, a Documentary History...." a book by Mormons for Mormons clearly delineates JS many marriages and those marriages of zillions of other Mormons. Polygamy was packed in the prairie schooners and pampers of pilgrims prancing to Utah. There are so many testimonies of Mormon women saying they married JS. Did everyone but JS practice polygamy? the real question is who amongst the hierarchy didn't practice it
IExposeMormonism 5 months ago
@omiolo - he had multiple wives, my friend, and it's not a shame or a secret.
THELDSLIFE 5 months ago
@THELDSLIFE The problem is that the church doesn´t teach. So when I heard outside the church or just read by internet, it´s still very shocking.
Also there´s a lot of rumors. It´s uncertain what is true and what isn´t.
And the antimormons are taking advantage of that.
They are very vile on this.
dorisfenella 5 months ago
@dorisfenella - yes but this is the point entirely! Anti-Mormons suggest that those things ARE what we teach but we do not. It does not make those events of church history ANY LESS relevant. At church, it's all about Salvation and Sticking to the basics. Nothing is HIDDEN... nothing is KEPT from our knowledge. The only thing that they admonish is that we take those things, events, and happenings with a grain of salt and understand that our assessment of the matter is better than the quitters'.
THELDSLIFE 5 months ago
@THELDSLIFE "he had multiple wives, my friend"
NOPE, go to new.familysearch*org and look at the OFFICIAL LDS marriage documents for the church. ONLY active members have access to them. We can START there.
omiolo 5 months ago
You do realize that Joseph Smith was a polygamist and was a convicted fraud he also carried something called a Jupiter Talisman which supposedly throughout your entire life if you wore it would give u power over people,women, the government and it would give u the power go control peoples minds
Jackass333303 5 months ago
@Jackass333303 "You do realize that Joseph Smith was a polygamist"
NOPE he was NOT. I don't think ANYTHING you posted is true. Was that your OBJECTIVE?
omiolo 5 months ago
@omiolo More Mormon Mincing of words. How about Celestial Plural Marriage? that soothe you and lull you into a sense of security. JS had Many Plural wives. He wrote the revelation and he practiced it.
IExposeMormonism 5 months ago
liar
megame23 5 months ago
@megame23 - your comment was short but pointless
THELDSLIFE 5 months ago
and as usual nothing to back it up. Laziness...
THELDSLIFE 5 months ago
The rituals in every group of people finding their path to enlightenment/god are there to explain the unexplainable.
paulksycki 6 months ago
I've done ALOT of research into this and other history...
..masons are not bad..im sure their may be a extremist group of them some where like any other world wide group...the rest is just people scared of the unknown.
paulksycki 6 months ago
mormons stop lie please!!!
HdeMILP 6 months ago
@HdeMILP - what puts you in a position to say that we do not speak the truth?
THELDSLIFE 6 months ago
no answer... a deafening silence...
THELDSLIFE 5 months ago
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MrPayincash 6 months ago
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MrPayincash 6 months ago
Mormon leader Joseph Smith was a Freemason (Scottish Rite), its well documented that the illuminati order is part of Freemasonry (study Albert Pike). So ask your missionaries or Bishop's why was Joseph Smith apart of the Freemason order when, 1: Freemasonry is an occult belief not a religion, 2: Freemasons worship Lucifer, 3: Why didn't Joseph expose the Freemason occult when he started the Church, 4: Why are Masonic symbols and teachings evident in Mormon temples and churches.
RaykwonDaKilluminati 6 months ago
Not a bad comparison. but having sen both rituals, I must confess they are identical in almost every part.
sarissaki 6 months ago
@sarissaki - hardly identical... see Joseph Smith and the Masons Part 3 - watch?v=7cfdW0p1EKg
THELDSLIFE 6 months ago
@THELDSLIFE I just watched part 3. This is what I have to say. The symbols on the temple veil correspond exactly in shape and almost exactly in meaning with certain tools and moments in a masonic ritual. Also, what happens at the veil, including position assumed is identical to a masonic ritual. Only the words are different since masonry is not religion and mormonism is. Problem is for more details I would have to disrespect either mormons or masons. I would do neither.
vottiaia 6 months ago