Lol! :D I'm always astonished at the shameless unflinching claims of Egalitarians! Really? Wow. What happened to using the Didactic method? The clear portions of the Bible to clarify the unclear? Pheobe was a great help to Paul? Perhaps Deaconesses are allowable, but to construe a new doctrine of women Apostles because of an unclear name (Junia) and ignore that not one of the 12 disciples was a man is bias eisegesis. Why not 6 men 6 women? Or was Jesus suddenly subject to social constraints?
@sarevor Mostly because they're in denial, seriously. Read Egyptian mythology, specifically the section on Horus. And you will realize that Jesus is a load of shit. Do you want me to link you?
@MunisAwesome Why would secular scholars seeking to debunk Christianity not want to look into Jesus as a myth? They would have a field day with it, no? I already know all about the copy cat theory but if you feel the need, sure go ahead.
@MunisAwesome I would recommend interacting with some mainstream scholars on these so called parallels between Horus and Jesus. If these parallels actually existed then mainstream scholars would be dealing with them. Instead the majority of scholars in that field, no matter their beliefs, have no doubt that Jesus lived, gathered disciples, taught about the kingdom of God, was crucified and that shortly after that his followers began to say that they had seen him alive.
@wolficog1 There are christian scholars who have read them but choose to ignore them even with so much evidence. If the past things I have posted on this video are too insignificant, then your basically saying some of the most important parts of Christianity were insignificant. And no doubt he had lived? There is no proof except for scriptures that tells about Jesus. Just like there are scriptures about Horus and Osiris except their scriptures came 3000 years before the birth of christ.
@wolficog1 And no doubt he taught about the kingdom of god?Followers actually said he was seen alive after he was crucified?Again,this is all from scriptures and there was no actual real proof of anyone saying it.Yes, there were historical figures in the bible who were actually real like Pilate,but Pilate was written as someone who was sympathetic.In real life he was a murderous prefect who ordered many soldiers to beat people down with spiked maces.Seehow the bible twisted the truth on Pontius?
@sarevor 4. Horus birth accompanied by three solar deities [star gazers] who followed by the morning star of Sirius bearing gifts. Jesus birth accompanied by three wise men [Zoroastrian star gazers] who followed by a star “in the east” bearing gifts.
5. The birth of Horus announced by angels. The birth of Jesus announced by angels.
6. Herut tried to murder the infant Horus. Herod slaughtered every first born in an attempt to kill Jesus the forthcoming messiah.
@sarevor 7. Horus is baptized at age 30 by Anup the Baptiser at a river.Jesus is baptized at age 30 by John the Baptist at a river.
8. Horus resists temptation by the evil Sut [Sut was to be the precursor for the Hebrew Satan] on a high mountain. Jesus resists temptation by Satan on a high mountain.
9. Horus had 12 followers. Jesus had 12 disciples.
@sarevor 10. Horus performed miracles like healing the sick and walking on water. Jesus performed miracles like healing the sick and walking on water.
11. Horus raised someone from the grave [his father Osiris]. Jesus raised Lazarus [notice the name similarity] from the grave. Lazarus is short for Elasarus - the “us” on the end is romanized. Elasarus was derived from “El-Asar” which was the name given to Osiris.
12. Horus was buried and resurrected in the city of Anu. The place Bethany mentioned in John was a derivative of the words “Bet” and “Anu” which translates “the house of Anu”. The ‘y’ on the end of bethany is interchangeable with the letter ‘u’.
13. Horus was killed by crucifixtion.Jesus was crucified.
14. Horus was accompanied by two thieves at the crucifixtion.Jesus was crucified with two thieves.
18. Horus was given the titel KRST which means “anointed one”. Jesus was given the title Christ [Christos] meaning “anointed one”
And they are just some of the ones the new testament stole, All these things are extremely significant part of jesus's life. And these stories came 3000 years before his birth.
@MunisAwesome There is evidence that shows the Horus myth stole from the account of Jesus. I know all about this. I actually read a good amount of the religious text of Horus. That points you address are all wrong. sacred-texts(dot)com /egy/ leg/index(dot)htm read it for yourself or check out the zeitgeist rebuttals here on youtube.
@sarevor How is it all stolen? It was made 3000 years before his death. I'm sorry but you are delusional. When I get on my laptop, I'll send you reference links to the story of horus as proof of what I have just previously said.
The reality is most pagan beliefs have derived from sections of egyptian mythology, such as Osiris and Horus.
@MunisAwesome The year may be correct, but that wasn't my point. The account that Horus raised from the dead was only included into the tale 150 years after the telling of the Jesus account. Therefore, if anything copied from anything it was the Egyptian Tale. Btw the first telling of a Messiah were by the Jews thousands of years ago and maybe longer since a pottery shard showing the Hebrew language older than previously thought was found.
@sarevor Give me the link that says that, and if what your saying is true. And what your saying would be impossible, since no one ever added information about the mythology after it was already written. They never changed the mythology after 3000 years, they only discovered more information from ruins. And yes the jews did speak of a messiah, but it was never Jesus specificly, and they never knew anything about the crucifixion. Until the story of jesus was written then people knew.
@sarevor And there are older religious scriptures found that show that the belief of a foretold messiah would come forth. It isn't only the Judaic belief that told of a messiah.
@MunisAwesome First century Jews were monotheistic. Not polytheistic like the Egyptians were. The idea of atonement is lacking in any mythology prior to the first century when Jesus died, and resurrected. It's possible that you can be delusional too. The internet is not the greatest place for accurate information. Read The Gospel and Greeks by Ronald Nash. The idea of the only true God incarnating himself and dying in place of others is far removed from anything in Egyptian, or Babylonian belief
@bzagar1 An centuries old book without evidence is also not the greatest place for accurate information. The reality is, pagan religions were highly influenced by two of the most important figures of Egyptian Mythology. Osiris and Horus. They actually have proof that these stories came millenniums before the birth of jesus christ and they didn't 100% steal everything from the Egyptians. But some of the major events of Jesus's life were obviously taken from the egyptians.
@MunisAwesome Which book are you talking about that doesn't have evidence? Lol, the New Testament? Theres more evidence for the NT than any book from antiquity. There 5700 Greek manuscripts throughout the world, in part or whole of the NT, from 150 AD-1800AD. There are 21,000 in about 8 other languages. So there's 26,000 manuscripts total we have of the NT from 150-to the 1800's. Homers Illiad is the book that has the most after the NT at 643 copes. After that its 200 from Sophyciles.
@bzagar1 The scriptures tell of a story, nothing of evidence. When the greeks and romans told of their history. They had proof, such as shields dating back to centuries ago. The Iliad is an epic poem by Homer, which used real events but over exaggerated. And there really is evidence for the New Testament? If there was then there wouldn't be a discussion whether the Judaic god is real or not.
@MunisAwesome So you're defining evidence as archaeology? There are thousands of archaeological discoveries that support the BIble. What books are reading that is telling you that? More than 4000 things in the Bible have been discovered. Not once has archaeological discoveries disagreed with anything in the Bible. There is more of that kind of evidence for the Bible than any other book from antiquity. The is 66 books; roman and Greek history were empires.
@MunisAwesome the good modern translations of the Bible are 99.9% accurate of what the originals said. We don't need a piece of the cross to know Jesus resurrected. Lol. The writers of the NT were eyewitnesses of Jesus, pre and post resurrection. They were in a position to know and accurately describe what he did. THe NT is the most accurate piece from history, and no where does it resemble anything Egyptian, but rather, Jewisjh since all the writers were Jews. What places in the NT are Egyptn?
@MunisAwesome If a centuries old book can't be accurate, then, if the NT borrowed fro Egyptian writings, those Egyptian writings the NT writers had weren't accurate. It doesn't matter if they pre-dated first century Christians. Monotheistic Jews--who wrote the NT; 9 writers total--would not have used polytheistic, pagan, writings in there Gospels, and epistles in the first century. The 9 NT writers got their information because they were eyewitnesses of the resurrected Jesus, or got info from
@bzagar1 And no writing is always fully accurate, I mean there are omitted scriptures talking of jesus fighting dragons(Serious). And many story tellers always over-exaggerated to make stories more interesting. And eyewitnesses? You can't actually prove the sources from the bible actually had eyewitnesses. Unless they had something that was a direct item from the crucifixion or someone who saw jesus actually coming back alive. I mean I could tell some random person I saw Jesus yesterday.
@MunisAwesome No writing is full accurate? That would include your writing, too. Therefore, your writing is not fully accurate by your own admition.
Name some "many things" that are obvious when compared to Egyptian writings. Jews have been monothiestic (one God) the whole time there has been a Jewish race. No first century Jew would've used Egyptian sources that were considered false by them, lol. The Gnostic Gospels are not Scripture. They are not Christian, and were not written by Christians.
@bzagar1 Ok, clearly what you're saying isn't accurate. I was speaking of the story of Jesus ripping off the stories of Osiris and Horus. I never once said that the Story of Moses or the ten plagues were ripped off Egyptian Mythology. I used the word Judaic God was because that is the god the Christians believe in. And And not over exaggerated? Are they even real since there is no writing but scriptures who claim that all what would seem crazy to be real.
@MunisAwesome The genre's the 27 books of the NT was not over-exageratted style work. They were biographies, history, not a first century style that was some made up story. They state themselves the kind of writings they are. Yes, theres more evidence for the NT than any other book in history. I just told you there are 5700 papyri manuscripts in Greek in museums, and libraries through out the world. Another 21,000 in other languages. Know what Textual Criticism is? That's how we know the
@bzagar1 And your telling me there is more evidence for the New Testament then any other history book? Unless you mean the New Testament is real then yes it is, and there is evidence for that. But is there any evidence for what happened in the new testament are real? I don't think so, or scientists wouldn't be debating on whether Jesus was real or not.
@MunisAwesome from people who saw the resurrected Jesus of they writer wasn't an eyewitness of the resurrected Jesus i.e Luke, and Paul (who saw Jesus appear to him a couple years after the resurrection in Acts 9). Why where they obviously taken? Which accounts in the Gospels resemble without misinterpretation Egyptian events?
@bzagar1 Many things from the new testament concerning Jesus were obviously inspired by egyptian mythology (Not events, but stories told by the egyptians and what they believed.) That came before the story telling and the so called events of Jesus. Obviously the stories weren't identical, names had to change and little bits of the story of jesus were to change to fit in with the old testament and make sense.
Dr Witherington is right on, spot on, slam on, right, awesome and correctly dividing the word of GOD.
indianpilgrim 3 months ago
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19toews 9 months ago
Lol! :D I'm always astonished at the shameless unflinching claims of Egalitarians! Really? Wow. What happened to using the Didactic method? The clear portions of the Bible to clarify the unclear? Pheobe was a great help to Paul? Perhaps Deaconesses are allowable, but to construe a new doctrine of women Apostles because of an unclear name (Junia) and ignore that not one of the 12 disciples was a man is bias eisegesis. Why not 6 men 6 women? Or was Jesus suddenly subject to social constraints?
androcracy 10 months ago
Dr Ben Witherington is my new hero
JesusSavedme78 10 months ago
Jesus had amazing respect and love for women. Jesus is the greatest revolutionary.
sarevor 1 year ago
@sarevor He is also the biggest lie, If you know Egyptian mythology well enough you'd know the whole story of Jesus was just a rip off of Horus.
MunisAwesome 1 year ago
@MunisAwesome Christ Myth theory isn't held by any scholar that is taken seriously.
sarevor 1 year ago
@sarevor Mostly because they're in denial, seriously. Read Egyptian mythology, specifically the section on Horus. And you will realize that Jesus is a load of shit. Do you want me to link you?
MunisAwesome 1 year ago
@MunisAwesome Why would secular scholars seeking to debunk Christianity not want to look into Jesus as a myth? They would have a field day with it, no? I already know all about the copy cat theory but if you feel the need, sure go ahead.
sarevor 1 year ago
@MunisAwesome I have read about Horus, the supposed parallels are unremarkable.
sarevor 1 year ago
@sarevor
MunisAwesome 1 year ago
@sarevor You are in denial: Some parallels between Horus and Jesus Christ:
1. Horus born of a virgin.Jesus born of a virgin.
2. The foster father of Horus was Seb or Seph. Jesus was fostered by Joseph.
3. Horus was of royal descent. Jesus was of royal descent.
More to come...
MunisAwesome 1 year ago
@MunisAwesome I would recommend interacting with some mainstream scholars on these so called parallels between Horus and Jesus. If these parallels actually existed then mainstream scholars would be dealing with them. Instead the majority of scholars in that field, no matter their beliefs, have no doubt that Jesus lived, gathered disciples, taught about the kingdom of God, was crucified and that shortly after that his followers began to say that they had seen him alive.
wolficog1 1 year ago
@wolficog1 There are christian scholars who have read them but choose to ignore them even with so much evidence. If the past things I have posted on this video are too insignificant, then your basically saying some of the most important parts of Christianity were insignificant. And no doubt he had lived? There is no proof except for scriptures that tells about Jesus. Just like there are scriptures about Horus and Osiris except their scriptures came 3000 years before the birth of christ.
MunisAwesome 1 year ago
@wolficog1 And no doubt he taught about the kingdom of god?Followers actually said he was seen alive after he was crucified?Again,this is all from scriptures and there was no actual real proof of anyone saying it.Yes, there were historical figures in the bible who were actually real like Pilate,but Pilate was written as someone who was sympathetic.In real life he was a murderous prefect who ordered many soldiers to beat people down with spiked maces.Seehow the bible twisted the truth on Pontius?
MunisAwesome 1 year ago
@sarevor 4. Horus birth accompanied by three solar deities [star gazers] who followed by the morning star of Sirius bearing gifts. Jesus birth accompanied by three wise men [Zoroastrian star gazers] who followed by a star “in the east” bearing gifts.
5. The birth of Horus announced by angels. The birth of Jesus announced by angels.
6. Herut tried to murder the infant Horus. Herod slaughtered every first born in an attempt to kill Jesus the forthcoming messiah.
MunisAwesome 1 year ago
@sarevor 7. Horus is baptized at age 30 by Anup the Baptiser at a river.Jesus is baptized at age 30 by John the Baptist at a river.
8. Horus resists temptation by the evil Sut [Sut was to be the precursor for the Hebrew Satan] on a high mountain. Jesus resists temptation by Satan on a high mountain.
9. Horus had 12 followers. Jesus had 12 disciples.
MunisAwesome 1 year ago
@sarevor 10. Horus performed miracles like healing the sick and walking on water. Jesus performed miracles like healing the sick and walking on water.
11. Horus raised someone from the grave [his father Osiris]. Jesus raised Lazarus [notice the name similarity] from the grave. Lazarus is short for Elasarus - the “us” on the end is romanized. Elasarus was derived from “El-Asar” which was the name given to Osiris.
MunisAwesome 1 year ago
@sarevor
12. Horus was buried and resurrected in the city of Anu. The place Bethany mentioned in John was a derivative of the words “Bet” and “Anu” which translates “the house of Anu”. The ‘y’ on the end of bethany is interchangeable with the letter ‘u’.
13. Horus was killed by crucifixtion.Jesus was crucified.
14. Horus was accompanied by two thieves at the crucifixtion.Jesus was crucified with two thieves.
MunisAwesome 1 year ago
@sarevor
15. Horus was buried in a tomb at Anu. Jesus was buried in a tomb located in Bethany [Bet-Anu].
16. Horus was resurrected after 3 days.Jesus was “said” to resurrected after over a period of three days.
17. The resurrection of Horus was announced by three women.The resurrection of Jesus was announced by three women.
MunisAwesome 1 year ago
@sarevor
18. Horus was given the titel KRST which means “anointed one”. Jesus was given the title Christ [Christos] meaning “anointed one”
And they are just some of the ones the new testament stole, All these things are extremely significant part of jesus's life. And these stories came 3000 years before his birth.
MunisAwesome 1 year ago
@MunisAwesome There is evidence that shows the Horus myth stole from the account of Jesus. I know all about this. I actually read a good amount of the religious text of Horus. That points you address are all wrong. sacred-texts(dot)com /egy/ leg/index(dot)htm read it for yourself or check out the zeitgeist rebuttals here on youtube.
sarevor 1 year ago
@sarevor How is it all stolen? It was made 3000 years before his death. I'm sorry but you are delusional. When I get on my laptop, I'll send you reference links to the story of horus as proof of what I have just previously said.
The reality is most pagan beliefs have derived from sections of egyptian mythology, such as Osiris and Horus.
MunisAwesome 1 year ago
@MunisAwesome The year may be correct, but that wasn't my point. The account that Horus raised from the dead was only included into the tale 150 years after the telling of the Jesus account. Therefore, if anything copied from anything it was the Egyptian Tale. Btw the first telling of a Messiah were by the Jews thousands of years ago and maybe longer since a pottery shard showing the Hebrew language older than previously thought was found.
sarevor 1 year ago
@sarevor Give me the link that says that, and if what your saying is true. And what your saying would be impossible, since no one ever added information about the mythology after it was already written. They never changed the mythology after 3000 years, they only discovered more information from ruins. And yes the jews did speak of a messiah, but it was never Jesus specificly, and they never knew anything about the crucifixion. Until the story of jesus was written then people knew.
MunisAwesome 1 year ago
@sarevor And there are older religious scriptures found that show that the belief of a foretold messiah would come forth. It isn't only the Judaic belief that told of a messiah.
MunisAwesome 1 year ago
@MunisAwesome First century Jews were monotheistic. Not polytheistic like the Egyptians were. The idea of atonement is lacking in any mythology prior to the first century when Jesus died, and resurrected. It's possible that you can be delusional too. The internet is not the greatest place for accurate information. Read The Gospel and Greeks by Ronald Nash. The idea of the only true God incarnating himself and dying in place of others is far removed from anything in Egyptian, or Babylonian belief
bzagar1 1 year ago
@bzagar1 An centuries old book without evidence is also not the greatest place for accurate information. The reality is, pagan religions were highly influenced by two of the most important figures of Egyptian Mythology. Osiris and Horus. They actually have proof that these stories came millenniums before the birth of jesus christ and they didn't 100% steal everything from the Egyptians. But some of the major events of Jesus's life were obviously taken from the egyptians.
MunisAwesome 1 year ago
@MunisAwesome Which book are you talking about that doesn't have evidence? Lol, the New Testament? Theres more evidence for the NT than any book from antiquity. There 5700 Greek manuscripts throughout the world, in part or whole of the NT, from 150 AD-1800AD. There are 21,000 in about 8 other languages. So there's 26,000 manuscripts total we have of the NT from 150-to the 1800's. Homers Illiad is the book that has the most after the NT at 643 copes. After that its 200 from Sophyciles.
bzagar1 1 year ago
@bzagar1 The scriptures tell of a story, nothing of evidence. When the greeks and romans told of their history. They had proof, such as shields dating back to centuries ago. The Iliad is an epic poem by Homer, which used real events but over exaggerated. And there really is evidence for the New Testament? If there was then there wouldn't be a discussion whether the Judaic god is real or not.
MunisAwesome 1 year ago
@MunisAwesome So you're defining evidence as archaeology? There are thousands of archaeological discoveries that support the BIble. What books are reading that is telling you that? More than 4000 things in the Bible have been discovered. Not once has archaeological discoveries disagreed with anything in the Bible. There is more of that kind of evidence for the Bible than any other book from antiquity. The is 66 books; roman and Greek history were empires.
bzagar1 1 year ago
@MunisAwesome the good modern translations of the Bible are 99.9% accurate of what the originals said. We don't need a piece of the cross to know Jesus resurrected. Lol. The writers of the NT were eyewitnesses of Jesus, pre and post resurrection. They were in a position to know and accurately describe what he did. THe NT is the most accurate piece from history, and no where does it resemble anything Egyptian, but rather, Jewisjh since all the writers were Jews. What places in the NT are Egyptn?
bzagar1 1 year ago
@MunisAwesome If a centuries old book can't be accurate, then, if the NT borrowed fro Egyptian writings, those Egyptian writings the NT writers had weren't accurate. It doesn't matter if they pre-dated first century Christians. Monotheistic Jews--who wrote the NT; 9 writers total--would not have used polytheistic, pagan, writings in there Gospels, and epistles in the first century. The 9 NT writers got their information because they were eyewitnesses of the resurrected Jesus, or got info from
bzagar1 1 year ago
@bzagar1 And no writing is always fully accurate, I mean there are omitted scriptures talking of jesus fighting dragons(Serious). And many story tellers always over-exaggerated to make stories more interesting. And eyewitnesses? You can't actually prove the sources from the bible actually had eyewitnesses. Unless they had something that was a direct item from the crucifixion or someone who saw jesus actually coming back alive. I mean I could tell some random person I saw Jesus yesterday.
MunisAwesome 1 year ago
@MunisAwesome No writing is full accurate? That would include your writing, too. Therefore, your writing is not fully accurate by your own admition.
Name some "many things" that are obvious when compared to Egyptian writings. Jews have been monothiestic (one God) the whole time there has been a Jewish race. No first century Jew would've used Egyptian sources that were considered false by them, lol. The Gnostic Gospels are not Scripture. They are not Christian, and were not written by Christians.
bzagar1 1 year ago
@bzagar1 Ok, clearly what you're saying isn't accurate. I was speaking of the story of Jesus ripping off the stories of Osiris and Horus. I never once said that the Story of Moses or the ten plagues were ripped off Egyptian Mythology. I used the word Judaic God was because that is the god the Christians believe in. And And not over exaggerated? Are they even real since there is no writing but scriptures who claim that all what would seem crazy to be real.
MunisAwesome 1 year ago
@MunisAwesome The genre's the 27 books of the NT was not over-exageratted style work. They were biographies, history, not a first century style that was some made up story. They state themselves the kind of writings they are. Yes, theres more evidence for the NT than any other book in history. I just told you there are 5700 papyri manuscripts in Greek in museums, and libraries through out the world. Another 21,000 in other languages. Know what Textual Criticism is? That's how we know the
bzagar1 1 year ago
@bzagar1 And your telling me there is more evidence for the New Testament then any other history book? Unless you mean the New Testament is real then yes it is, and there is evidence for that. But is there any evidence for what happened in the new testament are real? I don't think so, or scientists wouldn't be debating on whether Jesus was real or not.
MunisAwesome 1 year ago
@MunisAwesome from people who saw the resurrected Jesus of they writer wasn't an eyewitness of the resurrected Jesus i.e Luke, and Paul (who saw Jesus appear to him a couple years after the resurrection in Acts 9). Why where they obviously taken? Which accounts in the Gospels resemble without misinterpretation Egyptian events?
bzagar1 1 year ago
@bzagar1 Many things from the new testament concerning Jesus were obviously inspired by egyptian mythology (Not events, but stories told by the egyptians and what they believed.) That came before the story telling and the so called events of Jesus. Obviously the stories weren't identical, names had to change and little bits of the story of jesus were to change to fit in with the old testament and make sense.
MunisAwesome 1 year ago
@MunisAwesome Also, I want to reply saying that I appreciate the effort and respect you've shown.
sarevor 1 year ago
Ephesians 5 : 22
christianity lost
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