@VeeR666T Rather your lucky your not dead. Never trust surplus ammo or old firing pin springs. Don't want to see you get killed even though your video was informative.
@VeeR666T I’m with everyone above, seriously, it did spook the crap out of me. I’m sticking to my one loads rather than toy with old stuff, when firing rapidly I mean. It was stupid on my part to have rapid fired with old ammo, hindsight is 20/20... My lesson learned…
At last, a decent response to all the NONSENSE conspiracy theorists.
"The bolts too stiff"...Oil it?
"Not accurate enough"...Practice? The gun is only as accurate as the shooter firing the gun.
I have to say the conspiracy theory does make great reading. But in the end. its all information from people who have never done the sort of experiments you have done.
I hawe a carcano 6.5 from 1940 that my grandfather brought from WWII and it has not been cleaned for more than 30 years I hawe found it behind a locker. The gun was rusty but it only changed its colour the steel and thee wood were intact when I oiled the (back part where the gun is reloading) it had a goog bolt action and it was not hard to operate it .Your video is greath and I'm with you, but if american goverment claims that JFK is not killed with carcane what rifle do they think it's used ?
@Ahlywog Yes, read on, they based that on acoustics, which they later reversed.... Nice try. There is still not one single molecule supporting the assassination as a conspiracy, zip, zero, nothing..
"Ladies and gentlemen I would like to present to you the following as evidence of a conspiracy, you would then show then a blank empty table.... impressive…
@Ahlywog 1 of 6 It is not a “retraction” on my part; it would be a retraction on your part. Secondly, I prefer to debate the aspect of the “lack of ANY physical evidence” in this so-called “conspiracy.”
2 of 6 Your argument, sourced from the Select Committee on Assassinations of the U.S. House of Representatives stated of a probable conspiracy and high probability of two shooters. You left out why/how they reached that “footnote” in their final conclusion. It was based upon the “unexplainable” acoustic evidence which was presented at the investigation.
3 of 5 This argument is rarely used by conspiracy theorists anymore. Conspiracy theorists took the police radio transmissions/acoustic evidence of a conspiracy from the HSCA investigation from 1978-79. They had reason to believe that from the audio recordings of the police microphone, that possible as many as five shots were fired at JFK. Blakey and Billings, Plot to Kill the President, pp.68--69.
4 of 5 What the conspiracy theorists, and your statement, leave out was that in 1982, twelve physicists and scientists under the national research council, MIT, Lawrence Berkley Laboratory, University of California and the Bell telephone Laboratory in New Jersey, headed by Harvard professor Norman Ramsey,concluded that the sounds that were interpreted as gunshots by the HSCA investigation had occurred one minute after the assassination.Report of the Committee on Ballistic Acoustics p.5.
5 of 5 Finally, the FBI report pointed out that it was impossible to determine how the impulse sounds were the result of a gunshot blast and not some other sound. The FBI noted that scientific literature shows that all sounds (not just gunshots) produce echoes off hard surfaces; one of the ways the HSCA acoustic team said they had determined these were gunshots. The FBI's Technical Services Division concluded that the findings of the HSCA's three acoustic experts were almost a joke.
Thanks for this video. I studied the assasination for 15 years looking for a conspiracy and never found one. The true physics of the headshot are that the bullet entered from the rear and it is the blast of the exit wound that moved the head backwards. With regards to accuracy, Oswalds first shot missed completely, second hit 19 inches low if you assume the target was the head, and the third hit the pumpkin,
agree with everything but the fatal shot, you can't prove by the reaction of the head either way...and witness accounts that day all suggest at least one shot from that direction of the picket fence, thats not a conspiracy or a myth...
@Alexn1067 1 of 2 What I can prove as fact regarding the head movement is that hundreds (if not thousands) of conspiracy theorists claim the motion of JFK’s head Is PROOF of a frontal (or second) shot, but at the same time, not once, in 50 years, has a single conspiracy theorist been able to shoot either a head, or a simulated head, with a medium to high powered rifle, and cause the head the snap in the same direction as the bullet travel.
2 of 2 The fact is, it would violate the laws of physics. So while you have trouble with that part of this video, the fact is, that what I have explained is factual, and not once, has any conspiracy theorist been able to disprove it with any sort of demonstration.
Secondly your “shots from the picket fence” these same witnesses claim to have seen “puffs of smoke.” What modern rifle, since the 1880s, smokes?
80 yards with a scope is not all that of a challenge to a seasoned rifle shooter. and the rifle isn't exactly a "horrible rifle" with the range and accuracy of an airsoft gun.
Nice Video bro. Just shows what a "Motivated Marine and his rifle can do" haha I know sick joke. But seriously that is a good rifle and its very easy to do what he did. Being a former Devil Dog accuracy is the name of the game.
Well........ I guess that settles it. You've proven that not only could Oswald have done the impossible but made it look like the most probable scenario of what happened. Very irresponsible to say the least. Despite all the latent heroes who try to support the Warren Commission fantasy/cover up all one has to do is remember that the conspiracy was proven mostly by the assassination of the alleged perpetrator. All this other stuff is just garbage in, garbage out.
@orbitsun As I always ask, do you know of, or are you aware of, any, even as much as a molecule, of “PHYSICAL” evidence which supports the theory that the assassination of JFK was a conspiracy? Anything? Because the truth is, there is not. Please enlighten me….
Watch the assassination of JFK. Every one who hunts knows that when your bullet hits the target you get a small entry maybe a little bigger than the bullet but you get a very large exit wound if you have a large enough caliber (.22Lr wont exit)
The folks here should do a little more reading and less YouTube. The views found here are generally ignorant and lacking scholarship. This video is meant for you. Enjoy.
@mag30th Well for one, the second and third shots were 4.8 seconds apart on not just a moving target, but the moving President. Imagine the nerves of someone who is attempting to shoot JFK. 2 world class shots in 4.8 seconds one of them being a perfect head shot. If u can replicate that performance, make a video and send it to me. ill give you a 1000 dollars. Take all the chances you want. Put something of value of yours close to the target to raise your heart level.
@66ott7 1 of 2 I have openly offered a wager of $10,000 for over three years to anyone willing to accept, that I can easily strike a head sized target with a 6.5 Carcano Carbine, one out of three shots, moving away from me at 11MPH, between 60-88 yards distance. I have had this as an open wager for over three years, and only twice have people taken me up on it only to withdraw at the last minute. If you wish to do it for only $1,000, I’m game.
2 of 2 It will have to be in 5-6 months though, I’m having another neck surgery (I broke my neck 11 years ago) and I’ll take you up on your wager when I can shoot again. But please, let’s do it, in fact, I’ll even take you up on it for one dollar, I don’t care, 1 dollar, or 10,000, it makes zero difference to me. All I ask, is that it is videotaped, and it gets posted here on youtube afterwards. Do we have a deal?
@66ott7 Outstanding, it should be a kick; in fact, when I’m done, I’ll let you have a few cracks at it. I’ll be willing to bet you a dollar that after a few tries you could even do it yourself. I shoot every Monday at the Shooting range called, "A place to shoot" 33951 San Francisquito Canyon Road Saugus, CA 91350 (661) 296-5552. Like I said, it will be a kick. But this next surgery in next Thursday, and I won’t be shooting for at least four months afterwards, but let’s do it.
@mag30th well good luck with the surgery. I would love to test that shot myself! But isn't safe to say tho that you are a better shot then LHO considering you have been doing this your whole life? Oswald by Military standards was a average shot. People say he was a expert but the data i have seen over the years indicate he was an average but better then civilian stantard shot. The question is, could LHO do it, not you.
@66ott7 1 of 2 Thanks. I am an above average shooter, so by me doing it really doesn’t prove much. What I am confident of, is that nearly anyone with the slightest amount of familiarization with one of these rifles, will realize that most of what they have read and heard about them is nonsense. These rifles are very easy to shoot, they are very accurate, and they produce almost zero recoil, while producing significantly more power than a modern AR-15.
2 of 2 My goal with be for you to complete the shots. And I’m confident that all you have to do is a few minutes of familiarizing yourself with the rifle, I feel that in a very short time you will be able to do the sequence of shots very easily.
Also, I want you to see how close a head sized target at 60-88 yards looks through a 4x scope. I’m confident that you, or even most people, will have a change of opinion once they have actually shot one of these rifles.
@66ott7 - Oswald had the LOWEST grade of shooter (Marksman). It just means he didn't miss the whole target with all his shots. He didn't fire any shots from the TSBD - was waiting in the break room, just like he said. If he did it, why would he wait around to be taken into custody, rather than immediately leaving the building?...AND he wouldn't waste time "hiding" the rifle or taking it out into the open outside the sniper's nest, when it's obvious where the nest was and easy to find.
@Tomaji69 I don't think he fired shots. Never did. But he did leave the building. He went home and left for the theater. (possible meeting with someone he thought). The one thing i never understood is why he would leave the cartridges at the window. Anyone would have picked those up. He may as well left the rifle there too. That never made sense to me.
@mag30th - How did ANYBODY fire two shots BANG-BANG (the last two shots)?? The SECRET SERVICE said that's what happened....explain away, let's hear it. And NO it wasn't "echos" because that would mean that ALL "three" shots would have also been "bang-bang". It was OBVIOUSLY at least TWO shooters, probably more. Oswald just put the Carcano in place, in his "role" as undercover agent doing his duty. He was expecting to be a hero due to guys getting arrested for attempted assassination.
@66ott7 1 of 2 4.8 seconds is a very long time… and moving target? Technically yes, but he was not a “moving target” as you describe when he was moving directly away from LHO’s position. Anyone claiming JFK was a moving target is grasping at straws. Would you have any trouble shooting Hitler? I don’t think LHO viewed JFK any different, so while JFK may have been the president, LHO despised him, I don’t think it rattled him much at all
2 of 2 And “World Class Shots.” Wow, I’ve been competing over 30 years with high-powdered rifles, I’ll tell you, shooting a man sized target at 60-80 yards distance is not a “World class shot.” And a “Perfect head shot,” what is that? And decent rifle striking the skull would have been a fatal hit. And a $1,000 dollars? I look forward to it.
Follow up to comment below: I am 60 years old and would love to know about the rifle: I am a gun collector, reloader and somewhat of a marksman. How was the rifle that LHO used in the assassination (6.5 Carcino) modified, if that is the case? And how did that prove or disprove any of the theories surrounding the assassination? Someone posted conversion to 7.mauser something, I didn't write it down, my bad, I'll go bad and look. Any keepers now, let me know!!!
@bibbler227 Thanks for the response, I never heard anything about a modification to the original 6.5 rifle (over the past 40+ yrs) until I looked at some posts on youtube recently. (oh well!!) As best I remember about the bolt action, the main difference between it and modern day actions is that the firing pin is cocked when the bolt is pushed forward, not when the bolt is pulled down, thus requiring more force to seat the cartridge. It's been a long time, my memory is not as good now..thanks
I admire anyone that comments on this video that has actually owned and fired the 6.5 Carcano. I owned one, back in the old days, I hunted deer (ballistics are similiar to the 30-30 round, bullet weight, muzzle energy, etc. Fairly accurate. sluggish bolt action, but could be rapidly fired if practiced. Many references (comments on this video) to a conversion to another cartridge, I know nothing of this. I would love to know more! Please post what caliber you believe the conversion to be, thanks
BOGUS test which in NO WAY should be compared to LHO trying to hit a moving target. Even the Italian miltary said that the Mannlicher Carcano rifle was the reason they lost WWII since it was so inaccurate and so prone to blowing the firing bolt back into the eye of the shooter. But there is so much evidence that it was a conspiracy which was even PROVED in a Federal Court against E. Howard Hunt, that all this is just noise.
@exenrontexas Where do you get this information? I own several of these rifles, and they are all very accurate, in fact I demonstrate shooting mine on a small metal plate posted at 650 yards. And as far as blowback?!?! That would only occur if the case or primer ruptured; it had nothing to do with the rifle. In fact, the paraffin results were negative on the facial areas of LHO and anyone who tested his rifle, no “blowback whatsoever. Seriously, where do you hear this nonsense?
@mag30th It was a report from a group of senior Italian military brass. I will try to find it and send it to you. I am pleased that you have a safe and accurate weapon but the Italian report and the method that LHO purchased his Carcano makes the safety and accuracy of his weapon questionable. Furthermore, some of LHO Marine buddies testified that he was a terrible shot and got the lowest qualifying mark on the range.
@mag30th This is not the original article which I saw but it confirms the negatve view of this outdated weapon. "The M-91's used in WW II were, in the main, not very well made rifles; nor were they particularly accurate. During the long years of production the bore and groove sizes of barrels varied considerably, which certainly did not help the rifle's reputation for accuracy.
@exenrontexas (cont.) By the end of the Second World War many of the M-91's had actions that were rather loose. For all of these reasons the M-91 is not the best military rifle to use,it is probably one of the worst.
@exenrontexas My goodness, that is a different rifle. And as far as accuracy, my 91s are very accurate. Ive posted a video on mine, Open sights, I can hit a 24 inch plate with mine nearly 100% of the time, and that is with standard stuff. Do you own any of these rifles?
@exenrontexas My goodness, that is a compelty different rifle. And as far as accuracy, my 91s are very accurate. Ive posted a video on mine, Open sights, I can hit a 24 inch plate with mine nearly 100% of the time, and that is with standard stuff. Do you own any of these rifles?
Hey Ernie, I see you have a small resurgence of conspiracy theorist/e-thugs again on here...easier to believe a conspiracy theory than cold hard facts I guess...
@urbman29 It is more than possible when you are shooting and have nothing to lose, think about Oswald's situation, he going to kill the leader of the free world, his heart is pumping, he adrenaline is racing, he is thinking about his escape route, probably also thinking about his wife and kid, there are a lot of factors that could hinder your aim! Not to mention that he chose the hardest location to hit a moving target with trees blocking his view. What would you be thinking of?
Simple fact, Oswald was a qualifed Marksman ( a USMC rating ) using a military weapon. If he could hit a target on the range at 500m with open sights why would he have trouble up close with a scope? I'd guess 90% of the guys I knew in the Corps could have done as well (or better)
i own a carcano and the bolt is ten times harder when u actually fire the weapon as you have to cock back the firing pin while ejecting the shell ur first mythbust is completely wrong
@VTGunSnHunting I own serveral and when they are dirty, very dirty, yes, that can happen. Try cleaning it. Or, if you are ever in Southern California, bring it to a local range, Ill meet you there, Ill clean it for you, and then Il lshoot your just as fast as I can shoot all of mine. In fact, unless something is broken on your rifle, Ill shoot it much faster than one accurate shot per second. And Ill back that up.
@mag30th i never said it was slow its fast but to disprove a myth on how fast he reloaded after shooting u have to show how fast you can reload after shooting not just cyling un fired rounds through as it is harder when its been fired
@VTGunSnHunting Not really, I have another clip posted here on YouTube where I’ve shot 7 rounds in 5 seconds. It is not a big deal, this little rifle is like a kid’s pop-gun, in fact my 16 year old sons girlfriend shoot the thing faster than I can and she is only 14... I own several, and they all fired easily, and none are modified… Anyone who says these rifles are difficult to shoot is nuts....
@SUSSTURUCU - JFK was hit in the throat and then in the back and THAT (back) shot drove into his thorax, so he started to lose consciousness and instinctively he is trying to get down by falling to his left, but Jackie holds him up to ask him "Hey honey, what's wrong?", while he's maybe thinking "Get me DOWN, I've been HIT, you idiot!!". It all happens in 6 seconds remember. The last two "bang bang" shots were JFK hit from the front and Connally hit by a miss from the back.
Amazingly in Italy nobody could not own nor shoot a war-caliber gun as 91 original 6,5mm. Thus LHO owned 91 was modified & re barreled, Oswald was not "an amateur ", he was instinctive sniper skilled for 400 mts- quarter of mile firing.
Half assed attempt.Why not replicate what actually happened.Like shooting a moving target 6 stories up.What the hell was that at the end a grape juice filled mannequin head thats not attached to a simulated body.Other then that theres some interesting stuff here
There was more than one witness to a bullet through the windshield and there is photographic evidence of a bullet impact to the metal edge of the windshield too.
Assuming all shots came from Oswald, that's 5 shots in 8.4 seconds against a moving target - and all done with a misaligned scope.
Warren Commission and FBI marksmen could not even replicate 3 accurate shots in 8.4 seconds under the same conditions
As a footnote - the Carcano had a reputation for a sticky bolt and frequently jamming
This might be more believable if Secret Service agent Greer had parked the Limousine between the shots, or if the assassination occurred in an open Desert, and Oswald was permitted to wear hearing protection, or if they found some place where he could buy ammunition for the World War II archaic Italian rifle. Otherwise. I am not so sure what it proves.
You have to remember that Oswald's rifle was new, therefore I could see the bolt action not being so quick. It talkes a lot of work to get the bolt action loosened up. Now whether he took the time to oil and lube everything properly, we will never know.
@JENDALL714 of course he did, he was a marine, marines take better care of their weopons than they do themselfs, especially if he knew he was going to possibly need a quick follow up shot.
when this video demonstrate the supposed rapidity of fire of the riffle it doesn't show us how far and accurate these shots are. it's a thing to have an accurate riffle and an easily operable one but it's another one to aim every shot at a certain distance on a moving target. in such situation even if you don't waste time on manipulations you loose it on aiming.
It is simple to prove the conspiracy.Between the second and third shots, LHO had to reload the weapon, find the head of JFK and shoot again, the time marked on the video zapruther between the second and third shots are 4 seconds in the video is a tangible proof. This maneuver like hitting the lottery. It is impossible for a boy of 24 years can do it. He missed the first shot to 20 feet without having to maneuver. Moving target changes everything. for the caseof JFK this video above is not valid.
I'm not sure id Oswald even intended to kill Kennedy at any cost. His rifle did have a tendency to jam, that was proven in the re-enactments when nearly half of the 37 attempts with his Carcarno failed due to a sticky bolt. It was possible to get off the shots in the time required though. If he killed him then good. If he missed or wounded him then he would get a chance to state his beliefs to the world. I dont think he went up to that 6th floor with an unshakable mission to kill at any cost.
Thanks for the video, mag30th. Most conspiracy theorists base their info on the movie JFK which is filled with inaccuracies. The movie has the people sitting in the car incorrectly. The movie has Gov. John Connally sitting directly in front of JFK. Actually Connally's seat was set 6 inches away from the outside of the car and 3 inches lower than the back seat. The bullet that went through JFK's neck and wounded Connally would have a straight path. No magic bullet needed.
@43m1garand In order for that shot to line up correctly, they had to change the location of the back wound on Kennedy. Well, for this shot to line up the way you want, its not even a back wound. So, yeah it fits but you have to raise the wound on kenndy's back. Iv seen this test done several times. Its one of the more important ones. I laughed when i saw the location of his back wound on the discovery channel. Also, connoly's wrist wound does not seem to fit with the single shot.
@43m1garand that's the dumbest statement I've heard in a long time. How dare you say something like that-"Most conspiracy theorists base their info on the movie JFK..."
1. The Warren Commission ignored all key witnesses that didn't back the concept of Oswald as the lone assassin
2. In the documentary ' Rush to judgement ' one of Oswald's former marine buddies states that Oswald was NOT a good shot
3. Oswald was shooting at a MOVING target
4. There was an unaccounted for shot straight through the windshield (FRONT to BACK) - there is testimony to its existence at Parkland hospital and from those that replaced the windshield.
A Mauser rifle was recovered from the 6th floor of the TSBD. Roger Craig and Seymour Weitzman both saw it and noted ' Mauser 7.65 ' engraved or stamped on the barrel. Weitzman signed a SWORN affidavit to this. Weitzman was a firearms expect who owned a gunstore and could not make such a basic mistake. He recanted his affidavit obviously because pressure had been put on him to do so. Roger Craig refused to change his story and paid with his job, his health and then his life
LHO para matar o homem mais poderoso do mundo em seu plano elegeu.
1- Um fuzil dificilíssimo de manobrar. 2 Um local onde tinha uma árvore atrapalhando sua visão do alvo. 3. Após ter matado o presidente para facilitar sua prisão ficou na cidade não fugiu para outro local, qualquer garoto iniciando no crime iria para outra cidade e nunca seira pego. LHO era um louco solitário ou um Burro..!! ou um bode espiatório.
Snipeer, que fosse matar o Presidente em seu planejamento:
1- Escolheria uma arma semi-automática como centenas que existiam na época. 2- Nunca escolheria atirar, com o carro em movimento, onde uma árvore estaria na passagem do alvo atrapalhando o tiro como era o deposito de livros 3- O atirador escolheria ficar viaduto, visão ampla local, facil para fugir, para outra cidade, nunca seira pego.
AÇÕES DE LHO são contraditorias NÃO TEM SENTIDO, no planejamento do evento seriam descartadas.
Não houve a conspiração, LHO era um louco solitário, LHO foi assassinado dois dias após ter matado JFK por um conhecido MAFIOSO, ainda durante o ano de 1962 foram assassinadas 12 pessoas, que tinham ligação com o caso, o surpreendente em 1976 ainda foram assassinadas cerca de 80 pessoas ligadas ao caso. Se rastrearmos todos eventos do caso JFK são contraditórios, vemos um elefante em cima de uma árvore, e existe os que acreditam que o elefante subiu sozinho na árvore.
Very Good Video man, if one gets used to the rifle he will be able to shoot it, I think that is a problem with a lot of the other "experts" that have tried to re-create this.
If the shot came from some never do an entry angle of 20 degrees .. difissil think much about the shooter make a Algul 20 degrees, so your shot pierced the head of JFK Algul in another, the frame 313 we clearly see the bullet go ahead and take off from JFK's head facing the side ..
O frame 313 do filme de zapruter e conclusivo se ve claramente o terceiro tiro é disparado de frente para JFK em um algulo de 15 20 graus, para mim do viaduto que estava a frente deles, veja que a foto da autopsia mostra claramente a entrada da bala e na testa de kennedy, LHO não deu o terceiro tiro, ele e um bode espiatorio
@LoneWolf051 If you want to see something hilarious. Watch Jessie Ventura struggle to operate this rifle. This man was a Navy UDT, it's said SEALs get more range time than any other mos in the military. But maybe not Jessie, or perhaps he's just trying very hard to look bad while demonstrating it was impossible for Oswald to get off 3 accurate shots w/ that rifle. What's sad is, there's a legion of fruit bats out there who believe him.
@frankdrebin lol I saw that, and of course if you complain about something it will be hard to operate it. Im sure if you bought this riffle and trained on it you could shoot it as good as this guy. Everyone wants a conspiracy, and the fact is that a lone gunman can take away a great man like JFK, came with 911 it was the terrorists.
@andrelebaron LOL! He always had it out for the refs, too. Clearly problems w/ authority. I get this guy has to make a living now, but wtf? Most SEALs don't forget the oaths they took. This fuckin banana head sure did.
@gorilla199uncensored Better than that, the first 4 men to handle the "stretcher bullet" didn't id as the same bullet CE 399 when they were shown CE 399.
Best of all no army sharp shooter given unlimited tries at a stationary target on level ground could do the same feat, even after remounting the scope so it would be on the target. (Call me fussy but if i was going to assinate somone I would mount the scope so I could actually see the target)
Then they accidently lost the brain. After all its easy to do right!
There have been conspiracy test TV shows with more accurate human targets and experienced marksman replicated Oswald's shooting AND the path of travel between JFK and the Mayor.
As for leaving behind ammo boxes, that could be explained by a man who has panicked realizing hundreds of police and federal agents are after you. No prints on the 3 cases can be explained by carefully wiping them down before the shooting took place.
Others say the bullet was deflected off bone substancially.
What do youthink about the fact that whne the best shooters in the usa army tried to do what oswald "did" they could nto achieve it USING THE ACTUAL RIFLE even after THEY SCOPE WAS REMOUNTED so they could see the target?
Personally I would have sighted the scope in would have you?
The photos of oswalds rifle the front sling is attached at the bottom, Where is the one in the nat archive? ON THE SIDE!
The WC photos of the rifle compared to the Life magazine photos, the font of the serial has changed (Expecially on the 2) another marking has dissapeared.
The Italian government verafied the photos of the rifle was a pre 1940 6.5 which has been converted to the latter 7.35 as shown by the contradicting year and year of reign marks.
Condemn the conspiracy, an organization would not put in the hands of a boy of 24 years the responsibility of killing the most powerful man in the world.
Validate the conspiracy, LHO would not have had time to make a lethal shot at JFK, 100 times he could not do the 3 shot at 6.7 Mon no more than 10 times.
The magic bullet of the second shot is a moving cinematic to be true.
1 - LHO was a crazy and out of nowhere for no reason strong shot and killed jfk
2 - LHO was planted at the scene to divert attention from the real shooters and spoiling the plot, would be impossible to think that murderers and gangsters send a boy to do the job.
3 - LHO was part of the conspiracy that did not have the Zapruder film, and not relied on LHO's arrest, fearing being caught jack silence LHO ordered.
The "magic bullet" theory seems more likley as the bullet went through JFK's left shoulder exiting his trachea, kept going through the govenor of texas's 5th rib on the left side through his upper body into his wrist and then lodged into his thigh!!! Check because there are vids on this and someone almost perfectly recreated this!!!!!!
BELIEVE THAT THE RESUMPTION OF THE FOCUS ON TARGET 2 SHOTS CAN NOT BE DONE IN 6 SECONDS LOSE HIM MORE TIME TO FIND THE HEAD DURING MANEUVERS OF KENNEDY reload the weapon, see that he misses the first shot WITHOUT HAVING TO MANEUVER THE GUN, AND THE TREE TAKES SECOND AT LEAST 1 OF EHM.
Y BELIEVE IN CONSPIRACY TO ME BECAUSE I HAVE DURING THE 6 SECONDS OF TIME THAT HAD TO SHOOT LHO, if it considers that the target was moving FIRST SHOT FOR THE SECOND AND THIRD TO SECOND FOR MANEUVER WITH THE BOLT TO LOAD THE GUN, HE LOSES FOCUS TARGET,
7. RESEARCH DID NOT RESPOND TO ANYTHING FOR NOTHING PEOPLE, just claim that Oswald acted alone THIS IS A STRENGTH TO VALIDATE A CONSPIRACY, NO ONE LOOKED FOR CLARIFICATION OF THE STATE OF THOUSANDS TO DOUBT THAT WE HAVE TODAY. RESEARCH was ridiculous.
1 - ALL MEASURES TAKEN BY JFK OPPOSITE INTERESTS OF WEAPONS OF AMERICAN INDUSTRY.
2 - THE CONTEXT OF CUBA.
3 - 27 THE CASE AGAINST THE MAFIA.
THE CONTRADICTIONS OF LHO
1. A YOUNG 24 YEARS OF JUST HOW MUCH WOULD HAVE TO BE TRAINED TO SET THE TIME SO DIFISSIL SHOT IN AN AREA SO LITTLE TIME. NEVER read anything about LHO have been an excellent Snippe. HOW MANY SHOTS LHO GAVE LIFE IN ARMY TRAINING OR SKILL TO HAVE AS MUCH.
QUESTION TO ALL! YOU ARE A GROUP LEADER ARCHITECT AND THE ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT OF THE GREATEST NATION IN THE WORLD The error cost CLEAR YOUR HEAD AND THE ENTIRE ORGANIZATION!
STAF AFFIRM THAT NO ONE PUT A BOY OF 24 YEARS TO DO THIS JOB, with a nut of a rifle OLD. This makes no sense.
IF YOU PUT THERE A CONSPIRACY ON THE SCENE OF THE CRIME LHO To conceal and cover up other shooters. If the insulation LHO BECAUSE NO EVENT WILL NEVER BE CONSIDERED AN CONSPIRACY.
Loved your video. Any reasonable position I think is welcome. I don't however believe in coincidence theory JFK,RFK,MLK that was all about people who stuck there necks out too far. How do you feel about Carlos Hathcock saying that he couldn't replicate the shots?
Great video. Kennedy was only about 80 yards away from Oswald at the time of the last shot. 80 yards with a scoped rifle is like a layup in basketball.
The fact that the car was moving obviously makes a head shot much tougher, but certainly not impossible. Assuming Oswald was aiming for Kennedy's head each time, he only hit his target 1 time out of 3 tries. The fact that he was shooting from a building gave him a perfect position to take the shots.
I own 2 carcano rifles. Legally ofcourse, its allowed to own these rifles in belgium without a license. Everything what mag30th stated about the carcano rifle is true.
About the carcano itself, this has ALWAYS Been a rifle that was subject to mocking and jokes. But that underated carcano will hit targets at long ranges better then a 7.92mm mauser or a 7.62mm mosin.
i have fired my friends carcano and tried doing 3 in 6 sec. the quickest i got was 8 to 10 sec. did it several times. Also had the bolt stick on me. So i ask was the rifle in this video modify in any way?
There's no way to know whether this spin doctor oiled the rifle beforehand.
Sure, anyone can fire 3 rounds in 8 seconds with the Mannlicher-Carcano but let's see him replicate those shots six floors up, the same distance as to where Kennedy was when the first shot was fired and the biggest variable being a moving target which Kennedy was in the limousine traveling at 10-12 mph and actually hit the target using iron sights. A moving target is much more difficult than a stationary one.
@autoad I'm being more impartial than most on here. I'll take the report of the experts who handled the rifle the day after the shooting over one who handled it more than a decade later as to the condition of the rifle on the day of the shooting.
It was a conspiracy, plain and simple, triangulation shots, pure CIA stuff, Kennedy hacked a LOT of people off. Does not mean he was wrong to, but the vested interests were too many. The yanks got creamed in Vietnam, so Kennedy had the last laugh.
If you are the only shooter, why not shoot when the car is at the base of the building,Slowed down to seven mph?
Why would a right handed man shoot at a target( barrel out the window) at a target moving to the right? And Why is the Third shot the kill shot?...LT COLUMBO
@mag30th I haven't personally handled Oswald's rifle, but I've read the reports and testimony of experts who have. There is nobody who would agree with the notion that it could be operated as easily as you imply.
@msg30th Were we in a structured debate forum, I would have asked the moderator to have you rephrase the question, for relevance. It's YOU who would've been the laughing stock. I make a comment to another writer about the C2766 rifle's sticky bolt, and YOU ask if I agree with my stated source's conclusions concerning the entire JFK murder case. This whole line of questions was evidently designed to make it appear I contradict myself; how sad. I was badly mistaken in thinking you CONT'D
@mag30thIs this how you convince yourself that you're right? By misrepresenting and mischaracterizing the positions and answers of anyone who disagrees with you? You misrepresented my position with a loaded and rhetorical question, then mischaracterized my correction as "dancing" around that "question." There's no such thing as "dancing" around a loaded or rhetorical question, and yours was both.
@smartalek65 If we were debating this in a structured forum, with the response you just gave you would have been laughed off stage.
This was not a rhetorical question. You stated that because the FBI reached that conclusion, we are to assume that their conclusion was a fact.
Again, “Do you agree with all the conclusions the FBI made regarding the JFK assassination, or do you only agree with some of their conclusions (the ones that support your “theory”)?
@mag30th I agree with FACTS, and it doesn't matter who presents them. Note, sir, FACTS, not interpretations. In this instance, it's the FACT that Oswald's rifle had a sticky bolt action; unlike the smooth action of yours.
@smartalek65 Nice job dancing around the question.
Ill ask you again, "Do you only support the FBI conclusions that support your position, and if they don’t support your position you toss those conclusions out."
@Chew1964 The FBI cited the facts that Oswald's rifle had a sticky bolt action, making it MUCH more difficult to operate than mag30th's, demo'd in this vid.
@smartalek65 So you are in agreement with the conclusions made by the FBI? Or do you only support the FBI conclusions that support your position, and if they don’t support your position you toss those conclusions out. Which is it?
@smartalek65 You're interpretation of the FBI report can hardly be impartial. You're adding your own "spin" to their report. If the bolt action of LHO's rifle was "sticky" and "difficult to operate" how was Monty Lutz able to fire LHO's rifle with little difficulty?
Great video. Thanks for all the work you put into it. 3 shots in 2.1 seconds! But... But... all the conspiracy nuts say it can't even be done in 6 seconds! *snicker*
@Chew1964 - "we" *snicker* are not denying the results and performance of THIS rifle. It is the actual rifle Oswald allegedly used in the fall of '63 that is in question.
It's amazing that one person can become an expert on ballistics, bullet trajectory, laws of inertia, physics, metallurgy, gun smithing, biology, medical forensics, securing crime scenes, collecting evidence, proper laboratory protocol, fingerprint collection/identification/preservation, proper police protocols, witness interrogation, criminal forensics, autopsy procedures, the examination and report writing, embalming, casketing and entombing the deceased and exhumation from reading a book. Wow.
Wow dude, you almost had a bad day. Watch those hang fires.
VeeR666T 2 days ago
@VeeR666T Yes, seriously, that was one of the closest calls I've have, it scarred the crap out of me.
mag30th 2 days ago
@mag30th Or even worse, it could have been a squib. lucky he is not dead.
VeeR666T 1 day ago
@VeeR666T Rather your lucky your not dead. Never trust surplus ammo or old firing pin springs. Don't want to see you get killed even though your video was informative.
VeeR666T 1 day ago
@VeeR666T I’m with everyone above, seriously, it did spook the crap out of me. I’m sticking to my one loads rather than toy with old stuff, when firing rapidly I mean. It was stupid on my part to have rapid fired with old ammo, hindsight is 20/20... My lesson learned…
mag30th 21 hours ago
@mag30th Word, we have all had a "oh shit" moment. Mine was a ricochet.
VeeR666T 4 hours ago
I bloody love this video!
At last, a decent response to all the NONSENSE conspiracy theorists.
"The bolts too stiff"...Oil it?
"Not accurate enough"...Practice? The gun is only as accurate as the shooter firing the gun.
I have to say the conspiracy theory does make great reading. But in the end. its all information from people who have never done the sort of experiments you have done.
rorrt 3 days ago
I hawe a carcano 6.5 from 1940 that my grandfather brought from WWII and it has not been cleaned for more than 30 years I hawe found it behind a locker. The gun was rusty but it only changed its colour the steel and thee wood were intact when I oiled the (back part where the gun is reloading) it had a goog bolt action and it was not hard to operate it .Your video is greath and I'm with you, but if american goverment claims that JFK is not killed with carcane what rifle do they think it's used ?
Sasko97 4 days ago
w w w(.)archives(.)gov/research/jfk/select-committee-report/
Select Committee on Assassinations of the U.S. House of Representatives says probable conspiracy and high probability of two shooters.
Ahlywog 6 days ago
@Ahlywog Yes, read on, they based that on acoustics, which they later reversed.... Nice try. There is still not one single molecule supporting the assassination as a conspiracy, zip, zero, nothing..
"Ladies and gentlemen I would like to present to you the following as evidence of a conspiracy, you would then show then a blank empty table.... impressive…
mag30th 6 days ago
@mag30th Care to cite that retraction?
Ahlywog 4 days ago
@Ahlywog 1 of 6 It is not a “retraction” on my part; it would be a retraction on your part. Secondly, I prefer to debate the aspect of the “lack of ANY physical evidence” in this so-called “conspiracy.”
mag30th 4 days ago
2 of 6 Your argument, sourced from the Select Committee on Assassinations of the U.S. House of Representatives stated of a probable conspiracy and high probability of two shooters. You left out why/how they reached that “footnote” in their final conclusion. It was based upon the “unexplainable” acoustic evidence which was presented at the investigation.
mag30th 4 days ago
3 of 5 This argument is rarely used by conspiracy theorists anymore. Conspiracy theorists took the police radio transmissions/acoustic evidence of a conspiracy from the HSCA investigation from 1978-79. They had reason to believe that from the audio recordings of the police microphone, that possible as many as five shots were fired at JFK. Blakey and Billings, Plot to Kill the President, pp.68--69.
mag30th 4 days ago
4 of 5 What the conspiracy theorists, and your statement, leave out was that in 1982, twelve physicists and scientists under the national research council, MIT, Lawrence Berkley Laboratory, University of California and the Bell telephone Laboratory in New Jersey, headed by Harvard professor Norman Ramsey,concluded that the sounds that were interpreted as gunshots by the HSCA investigation had occurred one minute after the assassination.Report of the Committee on Ballistic Acoustics p.5.
mag30th 4 days ago
5 of 5 Finally, the FBI report pointed out that it was impossible to determine how the impulse sounds were the result of a gunshot blast and not some other sound. The FBI noted that scientific literature shows that all sounds (not just gunshots) produce echoes off hard surfaces; one of the ways the HSCA acoustic team said they had determined these were gunshots. The FBI's Technical Services Division concluded that the findings of the HSCA's three acoustic experts were almost a joke.
mag30th 4 days ago
Thanks for this video. I studied the assasination for 15 years looking for a conspiracy and never found one. The true physics of the headshot are that the bullet entered from the rear and it is the blast of the exit wound that moved the head backwards. With regards to accuracy, Oswalds first shot missed completely, second hit 19 inches low if you assume the target was the head, and the third hit the pumpkin,
RogersGarage 1 week ago
Excellent video.
Miata822 1 week ago
agree with everything but the fatal shot, you can't prove by the reaction of the head either way...and witness accounts that day all suggest at least one shot from that direction of the picket fence, thats not a conspiracy or a myth...
Alexn1067 1 week ago
@Alexn1067 1 of 2 What I can prove as fact regarding the head movement is that hundreds (if not thousands) of conspiracy theorists claim the motion of JFK’s head Is PROOF of a frontal (or second) shot, but at the same time, not once, in 50 years, has a single conspiracy theorist been able to shoot either a head, or a simulated head, with a medium to high powered rifle, and cause the head the snap in the same direction as the bullet travel.
mag30th 1 week ago
2 of 2 The fact is, it would violate the laws of physics. So while you have trouble with that part of this video, the fact is, that what I have explained is factual, and not once, has any conspiracy theorist been able to disprove it with any sort of demonstration.
Secondly your “shots from the picket fence” these same witnesses claim to have seen “puffs of smoke.” What modern rifle, since the 1880s, smokes?
mag30th 1 week ago
80 yards with a scope is not all that of a challenge to a seasoned rifle shooter. and the rifle isn't exactly a "horrible rifle" with the range and accuracy of an airsoft gun.
Alexn1067 1 week ago
Nice Video bro. Just shows what a "Motivated Marine and his rifle can do" haha I know sick joke. But seriously that is a good rifle and its very easy to do what he did. Being a former Devil Dog accuracy is the name of the game.
bber45 1 week ago
why did the gun fire while you were cocking it to reload another bullet?
hshksw 2 weeks ago
also do it on a moving target..?
hshksw 2 weeks ago
@hshksw Sure, Id love to. You set it up, Ill shoot it.
mag30th 2 weeks ago
@hshksw It is called a "Hang-fire" like I pointed out in the video.
mag30th 2 weeks ago
I never understand why this video doesn't have more views!
governator45 2 weeks ago
Well........ I guess that settles it. You've proven that not only could Oswald have done the impossible but made it look like the most probable scenario of what happened. Very irresponsible to say the least. Despite all the latent heroes who try to support the Warren Commission fantasy/cover up all one has to do is remember that the conspiracy was proven mostly by the assassination of the alleged perpetrator. All this other stuff is just garbage in, garbage out.
orbitsun 2 weeks ago
@orbitsun As I always ask, do you know of, or are you aware of, any, even as much as a molecule, of “PHYSICAL” evidence which supports the theory that the assassination of JFK was a conspiracy? Anything? Because the truth is, there is not. Please enlighten me….
mag30th 2 weeks ago
semper fi
Gilvin 3 weeks ago
This gun isn't anything like the one that is claimed Oswald used...
zgomer1 3 weeks ago
@zgomer1 As in how? Would you like to examine it? Would you like to shoot it? Do you own one? Is mine modified? Please explain....
mag30th 3 weeks ago
Well done...my friend ...well done...oh the librals will squeal but well done...News flash....some crazy guy shot Kennedy...
Tolinkar44 3 weeks ago
JFK was killed because he tried to shut down the privately owned federal reserve bank, the 3 tramps were cia operatives who shot him.
spystyle 3 weeks ago
@spystyle ... I heard Israel knocked him off as JFK won't give them nukes ... LBJ was a push over for Israel
inscrible 3 weeks ago
Great video thanks for posting this.
bigboy45454545 1 month ago
Watch the assassination of JFK. Every one who hunts knows that when your bullet hits the target you get a small entry maybe a little bigger than the bullet but you get a very large exit wound if you have a large enough caliber (.22Lr wont exit)
Ratkill9000 1 month ago
The folks here should do a little more reading and less YouTube. The views found here are generally ignorant and lacking scholarship. This video is meant for you. Enjoy.
ronbennettmusic 1 month ago
@ronbennettmusic And what points have I raised here that are incorrect?
mag30th 1 month ago
@mag30th Well for one, the second and third shots were 4.8 seconds apart on not just a moving target, but the moving President. Imagine the nerves of someone who is attempting to shoot JFK. 2 world class shots in 4.8 seconds one of them being a perfect head shot. If u can replicate that performance, make a video and send it to me. ill give you a 1000 dollars. Take all the chances you want. Put something of value of yours close to the target to raise your heart level.
66ott7 1 month ago
@66ott7 1 of 2 I have openly offered a wager of $10,000 for over three years to anyone willing to accept, that I can easily strike a head sized target with a 6.5 Carcano Carbine, one out of three shots, moving away from me at 11MPH, between 60-88 yards distance. I have had this as an open wager for over three years, and only twice have people taken me up on it only to withdraw at the last minute. If you wish to do it for only $1,000, I’m game.
mag30th 1 month ago
2 of 2 It will have to be in 5-6 months though, I’m having another neck surgery (I broke my neck 11 years ago) and I’ll take you up on your wager when I can shoot again. But please, let’s do it, in fact, I’ll even take you up on it for one dollar, I don’t care, 1 dollar, or 10,000, it makes zero difference to me. All I ask, is that it is videotaped, and it gets posted here on youtube afterwards. Do we have a deal?
mag30th 1 month ago
@mag30th 2 hits in 5 seconds at the correct moving speed, one of them a head shot. Same distance, same height. Yeah ill give u a buck.
66ott7 1 month ago
@66ott7 Outstanding, it should be a kick; in fact, when I’m done, I’ll let you have a few cracks at it. I’ll be willing to bet you a dollar that after a few tries you could even do it yourself. I shoot every Monday at the Shooting range called, "A place to shoot" 33951 San Francisquito Canyon Road Saugus, CA 91350 (661) 296-5552. Like I said, it will be a kick. But this next surgery in next Thursday, and I won’t be shooting for at least four months afterwards, but let’s do it.
mag30th 1 month ago
@mag30th well good luck with the surgery. I would love to test that shot myself! But isn't safe to say tho that you are a better shot then LHO considering you have been doing this your whole life? Oswald by Military standards was a average shot. People say he was a expert but the data i have seen over the years indicate he was an average but better then civilian stantard shot. The question is, could LHO do it, not you.
66ott7 1 month ago
@66ott7 1 of 2 Thanks. I am an above average shooter, so by me doing it really doesn’t prove much. What I am confident of, is that nearly anyone with the slightest amount of familiarization with one of these rifles, will realize that most of what they have read and heard about them is nonsense. These rifles are very easy to shoot, they are very accurate, and they produce almost zero recoil, while producing significantly more power than a modern AR-15.
mag30th 1 month ago
2 of 2 My goal with be for you to complete the shots. And I’m confident that all you have to do is a few minutes of familiarizing yourself with the rifle, I feel that in a very short time you will be able to do the sequence of shots very easily.
Also, I want you to see how close a head sized target at 60-88 yards looks through a 4x scope. I’m confident that you, or even most people, will have a change of opinion once they have actually shot one of these rifles.
mag30th 1 month ago
@66ott7 - Oswald had the LOWEST grade of shooter (Marksman). It just means he didn't miss the whole target with all his shots. He didn't fire any shots from the TSBD - was waiting in the break room, just like he said. If he did it, why would he wait around to be taken into custody, rather than immediately leaving the building?...AND he wouldn't waste time "hiding" the rifle or taking it out into the open outside the sniper's nest, when it's obvious where the nest was and easy to find.
Tomaji69 1 month ago
@Tomaji69 I don't think he fired shots. Never did. But he did leave the building. He went home and left for the theater. (possible meeting with someone he thought). The one thing i never understood is why he would leave the cartridges at the window. Anyone would have picked those up. He may as well left the rifle there too. That never made sense to me.
66ott7 1 month ago
@mag30th Good luck with your surgery.
tfoshohoe 1 month ago
@tfoshohoe Thanks, :-)
mag30th 1 month ago
@mag30th - How did ANYBODY fire two shots BANG-BANG (the last two shots)?? The SECRET SERVICE said that's what happened....explain away, let's hear it. And NO it wasn't "echos" because that would mean that ALL "three" shots would have also been "bang-bang". It was OBVIOUSLY at least TWO shooters, probably more. Oswald just put the Carcano in place, in his "role" as undercover agent doing his duty. He was expecting to be a hero due to guys getting arrested for attempted assassination.
Tomaji69 1 month ago
@66ott7 1 of 2 4.8 seconds is a very long time… and moving target? Technically yes, but he was not a “moving target” as you describe when he was moving directly away from LHO’s position. Anyone claiming JFK was a moving target is grasping at straws. Would you have any trouble shooting Hitler? I don’t think LHO viewed JFK any different, so while JFK may have been the president, LHO despised him, I don’t think it rattled him much at all
mag30th 1 month ago
2 of 2 And “World Class Shots.” Wow, I’ve been competing over 30 years with high-powdered rifles, I’ll tell you, shooting a man sized target at 60-80 yards distance is not a “World class shot.” And a “Perfect head shot,” what is that? And decent rifle striking the skull would have been a fatal hit. And a $1,000 dollars? I look forward to it.
mag30th 1 month ago
Follow up to comment below: I am 60 years old and would love to know about the rifle: I am a gun collector, reloader and somewhat of a marksman. How was the rifle that LHO used in the assassination (6.5 Carcino) modified, if that is the case? And how did that prove or disprove any of the theories surrounding the assassination? Someone posted conversion to 7.mauser something, I didn't write it down, my bad, I'll go bad and look. Any keepers now, let me know!!!
91fatboy51 1 month ago
@91fatboy51 Oswald's rifle was not modified. I am 54 years old and studied the assassination for the better part of 40 years.
Conspiracy believers make it up as they go, but Oswald's shot wasn't particularly difficult and he was more than competent to make the shot.
bibbler227 1 month ago
@bibbler227 Thanks for the response, I never heard anything about a modification to the original 6.5 rifle (over the past 40+ yrs) until I looked at some posts on youtube recently. (oh well!!) As best I remember about the bolt action, the main difference between it and modern day actions is that the firing pin is cocked when the bolt is pushed forward, not when the bolt is pulled down, thus requiring more force to seat the cartridge. It's been a long time, my memory is not as good now..thanks
91fatboy51 1 month ago
I admire anyone that comments on this video that has actually owned and fired the 6.5 Carcano. I owned one, back in the old days, I hunted deer (ballistics are similiar to the 30-30 round, bullet weight, muzzle energy, etc. Fairly accurate. sluggish bolt action, but could be rapidly fired if practiced. Many references (comments on this video) to a conversion to another cartridge, I know nothing of this. I would love to know more! Please post what caliber you believe the conversion to be, thanks
91fatboy51 1 month ago
BOGUS test which in NO WAY should be compared to LHO trying to hit a moving target. Even the Italian miltary said that the Mannlicher Carcano rifle was the reason they lost WWII since it was so inaccurate and so prone to blowing the firing bolt back into the eye of the shooter. But there is so much evidence that it was a conspiracy which was even PROVED in a Federal Court against E. Howard Hunt, that all this is just noise.
exenrontexas 1 month ago
@exenrontexas Where do you get this information? I own several of these rifles, and they are all very accurate, in fact I demonstrate shooting mine on a small metal plate posted at 650 yards. And as far as blowback?!?! That would only occur if the case or primer ruptured; it had nothing to do with the rifle. In fact, the paraffin results were negative on the facial areas of LHO and anyone who tested his rifle, no “blowback whatsoever. Seriously, where do you hear this nonsense?
mag30th 1 month ago
@mag30th It was a report from a group of senior Italian military brass. I will try to find it and send it to you. I am pleased that you have a safe and accurate weapon but the Italian report and the method that LHO purchased his Carcano makes the safety and accuracy of his weapon questionable. Furthermore, some of LHO Marine buddies testified that he was a terrible shot and got the lowest qualifying mark on the range.
exenrontexas 1 month ago
@mag30th This is not the original article which I saw but it confirms the negatve view of this outdated weapon. "The M-91's used in WW II were, in the main, not very well made rifles; nor were they particularly accurate. During the long years of production the bore and groove sizes of barrels varied considerably, which certainly did not help the rifle's reputation for accuracy.
exenrontexas 1 month ago
@exenrontexas (cont.) By the end of the Second World War many of the M-91's had actions that were rather loose. For all of these reasons the M-91 is not the best military rifle to use,it is probably one of the worst.
exenrontexas 1 month ago
@exenrontexas My goodness, that is a different rifle. And as far as accuracy, my 91s are very accurate. Ive posted a video on mine, Open sights, I can hit a 24 inch plate with mine nearly 100% of the time, and that is with standard stuff. Do you own any of these rifles?
mag30th 3 weeks ago
@exenrontexas My goodness, that is a compelty different rifle. And as far as accuracy, my 91s are very accurate. Ive posted a video on mine, Open sights, I can hit a 24 inch plate with mine nearly 100% of the time, and that is with standard stuff. Do you own any of these rifles?
mag30th 3 weeks ago
Hey Ernie, I see you have a small resurgence of conspiracy theorist/e-thugs again on here...easier to believe a conspiracy theory than cold hard facts I guess...
txstang84 1 month ago
I did this with a bolt action rifle,actually tested to see if you could *statistically* shoot that fast in 8 seconds. IT IS MORE THAN POSSIBLE.
urbman29 1 month ago
@urbman29 It is more than possible when you are shooting and have nothing to lose, think about Oswald's situation, he going to kill the leader of the free world, his heart is pumping, he adrenaline is racing, he is thinking about his escape route, probably also thinking about his wife and kid, there are a lot of factors that could hinder your aim! Not to mention that he chose the hardest location to hit a moving target with trees blocking his view. What would you be thinking of?
JENDALL714 1 month ago
Simple fact, Oswald was a qualifed Marksman ( a USMC rating ) using a military weapon. If he could hit a target on the range at 500m with open sights why would he have trouble up close with a scope? I'd guess 90% of the guys I knew in the Corps could have done as well (or better)
alfrjuen 1 month ago
it was the elite takin out a threat to them that was all it was
potymouf1 1 month ago
i own a carcano and the bolt is ten times harder when u actually fire the weapon as you have to cock back the firing pin while ejecting the shell ur first mythbust is completely wrong
VTGunSnHunting 1 month ago
@VTGunSnHunting I own serveral and when they are dirty, very dirty, yes, that can happen. Try cleaning it. Or, if you are ever in Southern California, bring it to a local range, Ill meet you there, Ill clean it for you, and then Il lshoot your just as fast as I can shoot all of mine. In fact, unless something is broken on your rifle, Ill shoot it much faster than one accurate shot per second. And Ill back that up.
mag30th 1 month ago 4
@mag30th i never said it was slow its fast but to disprove a myth on how fast he reloaded after shooting u have to show how fast you can reload after shooting not just cyling un fired rounds through as it is harder when its been fired
VTGunSnHunting 1 month ago
@VTGunSnHunting Not really, I have another clip posted here on YouTube where I’ve shot 7 rounds in 5 seconds. It is not a big deal, this little rifle is like a kid’s pop-gun, in fact my 16 year old sons girlfriend shoot the thing faster than I can and she is only 14... I own several, and they all fired easily, and none are modified… Anyone who says these rifles are difficult to shoot is nuts....
mag30th 1 month ago
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@VTGunSnHunting r u stupid? Did you not watch the entire video? He does exactly what you say in the video.
Youzentubo 1 month ago
@mag30th I think OSWALD DİD İT..
BUT SOME PEOPLE HELPED HİM LİKE DAVİD FERRİE,GUY BANASTER,CLAY SAW and JACK RUBY...
AND I DON'T BELİEVE TO ZAPRUDER FİLM..
İN THİS FİLM JFK İS SHOOT AND HE İS WAİTİNG FOR SECOND BULLET...
THİS İS İMPOSSİBLE..THİS İS BULLSHİT..
WHY DİD NOT JFK PROTECT HİS BODY AND HEAD LİKE CONALLY ??
SUSSTURUCU 1 month ago
@SUSSTURUCU - JFK was hit in the throat and then in the back and THAT (back) shot drove into his thorax, so he started to lose consciousness and instinctively he is trying to get down by falling to his left, but Jackie holds him up to ask him "Hey honey, what's wrong?", while he's maybe thinking "Get me DOWN, I've been HIT, you idiot!!". It all happens in 6 seconds remember. The last two "bang bang" shots were JFK hit from the front and Connally hit by a miss from the back.
Tomaji69 1 month ago
@Tomaji69 Maybe after first shoot he had stroke and he can't incline....
BECAUSE FİRST SHOOT CAME TO PRESİDENT's NECK..
İN HUMANS, NECK HAS GOT A LOT OF NERVOUS CELLS WHİCH COME FROM BRAİN
I THİNK AFTER FİRST SHOOT HE HAD STROKE AND HE HAD LİVED SHOCK
SUSSTURUCU 1 month ago
@Tomaji69 Oswald had 12 - 14 seconds to shoot. dont mean he did it tho.
66ott7 1 month ago
absurd video,nothing scientific going on here
unclevito777 2 months ago
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@unclevito777 no, just pure reality.
uomoeeta 1 month ago
@unclevito777 are you fucking dumb?This experiment is VERY accurate
urbman29 1 month ago
Amazingly in Italy nobody could not own nor shoot a war-caliber gun as 91 original 6,5mm. Thus LHO owned 91 was modified & re barreled, Oswald was not "an amateur ", he was instinctive sniper skilled for 400 mts- quarter of mile firing.
patsematary 2 months ago
Half assed attempt.Why not replicate what actually happened.Like shooting a moving target 6 stories up.What the hell was that at the end a grape juice filled mannequin head thats not attached to a simulated body.Other then that theres some interesting stuff here
unclevito777 2 months ago
@unclevito777 and how fast was the car actually traveling? it is very easy to hit a moving target that is moving TOWARDS you.
urbman29 1 month ago
There was more than one witness to a bullet through the windshield and there is photographic evidence of a bullet impact to the metal edge of the windshield too.
Assuming all shots came from Oswald, that's 5 shots in 8.4 seconds against a moving target - and all done with a misaligned scope.
Warren Commission and FBI marksmen could not even replicate 3 accurate shots in 8.4 seconds under the same conditions
As a footnote - the Carcano had a reputation for a sticky bolt and frequently jamming
funkmasterjee 2 months ago
This might be more believable if Secret Service agent Greer had parked the Limousine between the shots, or if the assassination occurred in an open Desert, and Oswald was permitted to wear hearing protection, or if they found some place where he could buy ammunition for the World War II archaic Italian rifle. Otherwise. I am not so sure what it proves.
TrueNovice 2 months ago
You have to remember that Oswald's rifle was new, therefore I could see the bolt action not being so quick. It talkes a lot of work to get the bolt action loosened up. Now whether he took the time to oil and lube everything properly, we will never know.
JENDALL714 2 months ago
@JENDALL714 of course he did, he was a marine, marines take better care of their weopons than they do themselfs, especially if he knew he was going to possibly need a quick follow up shot.
deadtofall666 1 month ago
when this video demonstrate the supposed rapidity of fire of the riffle it doesn't show us how far and accurate these shots are. it's a thing to have an accurate riffle and an easily operable one but it's another one to aim every shot at a certain distance on a moving target. in such situation even if you don't waste time on manipulations you loose it on aiming.
ClaireetReid 2 months ago
It is simple to prove the conspiracy.Between the second and third shots, LHO had to reload the weapon, find the head of JFK and shoot again, the time marked on the video zapruther between the second and third shots are 4 seconds in the video is a tangible proof. This maneuver like hitting the lottery. It is impossible for a boy of 24 years can do it. He missed the first shot to 20 feet without having to maneuver. Moving target changes everything. for the caseof JFK this video above is not valid.
joaoisobr 3 months ago
I'm not sure id Oswald even intended to kill Kennedy at any cost. His rifle did have a tendency to jam, that was proven in the re-enactments when nearly half of the 37 attempts with his Carcarno failed due to a sticky bolt. It was possible to get off the shots in the time required though. If he killed him then good. If he missed or wounded him then he would get a chance to state his beliefs to the world. I dont think he went up to that 6th floor with an unshakable mission to kill at any cost.
genericgeorge 3 months ago
Thanks for the video, mag30th. Most conspiracy theorists base their info on the movie JFK which is filled with inaccuracies. The movie has the people sitting in the car incorrectly. The movie has Gov. John Connally sitting directly in front of JFK. Actually Connally's seat was set 6 inches away from the outside of the car and 3 inches lower than the back seat. The bullet that went through JFK's neck and wounded Connally would have a straight path. No magic bullet needed.
43m1garand 3 months ago 5
@43m1garand In order for that shot to line up correctly, they had to change the location of the back wound on Kennedy. Well, for this shot to line up the way you want, its not even a back wound. So, yeah it fits but you have to raise the wound on kenndy's back. Iv seen this test done several times. Its one of the more important ones. I laughed when i saw the location of his back wound on the discovery channel. Also, connoly's wrist wound does not seem to fit with the single shot.
66ott7 1 month ago
@43m1garand that's the dumbest statement I've heard in a long time. How dare you say something like that-"Most conspiracy theorists base their info on the movie JFK..."
flapjack9999 4 weeks ago
Fact -
1. The Warren Commission ignored all key witnesses that didn't back the concept of Oswald as the lone assassin
2. In the documentary ' Rush to judgement ' one of Oswald's former marine buddies states that Oswald was NOT a good shot
3. Oswald was shooting at a MOVING target
4. There was an unaccounted for shot straight through the windshield (FRONT to BACK) - there is testimony to its existence at Parkland hospital and from those that replaced the windshield.
funkmasterjee 3 months ago 2
Fact -
A Mauser rifle was recovered from the 6th floor of the TSBD. Roger Craig and Seymour Weitzman both saw it and noted ' Mauser 7.65 ' engraved or stamped on the barrel. Weitzman signed a SWORN affidavit to this. Weitzman was a firearms expect who owned a gunstore and could not make such a basic mistake. He recanted his affidavit obviously because pressure had been put on him to do so. Roger Craig refused to change his story and paid with his job, his health and then his life
funkmasterjee 3 months ago 2
LHO para matar o homem mais poderoso do mundo em seu plano elegeu.
1- Um fuzil dificilíssimo de manobrar. 2 Um local onde tinha uma árvore atrapalhando sua visão do alvo. 3. Após ter matado o presidente para facilitar sua prisão ficou na cidade não fugiu para outro local, qualquer garoto iniciando no crime iria para outra cidade e nunca seira pego. LHO era um louco solitário ou um Burro..!! ou um bode espiatório.
joaoisobr 3 months ago
Snipeer, que fosse matar o Presidente em seu planejamento:
1- Escolheria uma arma semi-automática como centenas que existiam na época. 2- Nunca escolheria atirar, com o carro em movimento, onde uma árvore estaria na passagem do alvo atrapalhando o tiro como era o deposito de livros 3- O atirador escolheria ficar viaduto, visão ampla local, facil para fugir, para outra cidade, nunca seira pego.
AÇÕES DE LHO são contraditorias NÃO TEM SENTIDO, no planejamento do evento seriam descartadas.
joaoisobr 3 months ago
Não houve a conspiração, LHO era um louco solitário, LHO foi assassinado dois dias após ter matado JFK por um conhecido MAFIOSO, ainda durante o ano de 1962 foram assassinadas 12 pessoas, que tinham ligação com o caso, o surpreendente em 1976 ainda foram assassinadas cerca de 80 pessoas ligadas ao caso. Se rastrearmos todos eventos do caso JFK são contraditórios, vemos um elefante em cima de uma árvore, e existe os que acreditam que o elefante subiu sozinho na árvore.
joaoisobr 3 months ago
Very Good Video man, if one gets used to the rifle he will be able to shoot it, I think that is a problem with a lot of the other "experts" that have tried to re-create this.
Good Job
mandaltby 3 months ago
cherry picking fbi reports is fun to some i guess
blindjfk 3 months ago
If the shot came from some never do an entry angle of 20 degrees .. difissil think much about the shooter make a Algul 20 degrees, so your shot pierced the head of JFK Algul in another, the frame 313 we clearly see the bullet go ahead and take off from JFK's head facing the side ..
joaoisobr 4 months ago
O frame 313 do filme de zapruter e conclusivo se ve claramente o terceiro tiro é disparado de frente para JFK em um algulo de 15 20 graus, para mim do viaduto que estava a frente deles, veja que a foto da autopsia mostra claramente a entrada da bala e na testa de kennedy, LHO não deu o terceiro tiro, ele e um bode espiatorio
joaoisobr 4 months ago
Ouch. Conspiracy fruit loops aren't going to like this.
And, yes Oswald practiced. Well documented by witnesses at the range. He also had someone help him zero his sight at the range.
frankdrebin 4 months ago
@frankdrebin Not to mention he was already a trained Marine marksman with top marks in accuracy and weapon proficiency by his instructors
LoneWolf051 4 months ago
@LoneWolf051 If you want to see something hilarious. Watch Jessie Ventura struggle to operate this rifle. This man was a Navy UDT, it's said SEALs get more range time than any other mos in the military. But maybe not Jessie, or perhaps he's just trying very hard to look bad while demonstrating it was impossible for Oswald to get off 3 accurate shots w/ that rifle. What's sad is, there's a legion of fruit bats out there who believe him.
frankdrebin 4 months ago
@frankdrebin lol I saw that, and of course if you complain about something it will be hard to operate it. Im sure if you bought this riffle and trained on it you could shoot it as good as this guy. Everyone wants a conspiracy, and the fact is that a lone gunman can take away a great man like JFK, came with 911 it was the terrorists.
mandaltby 3 months ago
@frankdrebin Jesse didn't even see Machoman use that ring bell on Ricky Steamboat. How credible is he?
andrelebaron 3 months ago
@andrelebaron LOL! He always had it out for the refs, too. Clearly problems w/ authority. I get this guy has to make a living now, but wtf? Most SEALs don't forget the oaths they took. This fuckin banana head sure did.
frankdrebin 3 months ago
The scope had to remounted on the rifle so that the testers could shoot it!
I tend to have a scope that I can see the target in even when im not trying to assinate a president, maybe im just fussy?
gorilla199uncensored 4 months ago
@gorilla199uncensored Better than that, the first 4 men to handle the "stretcher bullet" didn't id as the same bullet CE 399 when they were shown CE 399.
smartalek65 4 months ago
What kind of ammo do you put through it?
mst3k4evur 4 months ago
Best of all no army sharp shooter given unlimited tries at a stationary target on level ground could do the same feat, even after remounting the scope so it would be on the target. (Call me fussy but if i was going to assinate somone I would mount the scope so I could actually see the target)
Then they accidently lost the brain. After all its easy to do right!
gorilla199uncensored 4 months ago
Most of the claims are irrelivant to the situation and the home made dummy doesnt quite hold up to scienctific standards.
The test of firing where not left handed or held to shoulder, or at a moving target....SO
Some thing we do know.
Oswald picked up the 3 cases and placed them on the window ledge without leaving any finger prints.
He took the rifle but left behind ammo boxes with his finger prints on them.
gorilla199uncensored 4 months ago
@gorilla199uncensored
There have been conspiracy test TV shows with more accurate human targets and experienced marksman replicated Oswald's shooting AND the path of travel between JFK and the Mayor.
As for leaving behind ammo boxes, that could be explained by a man who has panicked realizing hundreds of police and federal agents are after you. No prints on the 3 cases can be explained by carefully wiping them down before the shooting took place.
mst3k4evur 4 months ago
@mst3k4evur
"path of travel between JFK and the Mayor."
Yes I have seen several of these.
Some say the bullet flew straight
Others say the bullet was deflected off bone substancially.
What do youthink about the fact that whne the best shooters in the usa army tried to do what oswald "did" they could nto achieve it USING THE ACTUAL RIFLE even after THEY SCOPE WAS REMOUNTED so they could see the target?
Personally I would have sighted the scope in would have you?
gorilla199uncensored 4 months ago
@mst3k4evur
The photos of oswalds rifle the front sling is attached at the bottom, Where is the one in the nat archive? ON THE SIDE!
The WC photos of the rifle compared to the Life magazine photos, the font of the serial has changed (Expecially on the 2) another marking has dissapeared.
The Italian government verafied the photos of the rifle was a pre 1940 6.5 which has been converted to the latter 7.35 as shown by the contradicting year and year of reign marks.
gorilla199uncensored 4 months ago
@mst3k4evur
Best of all the 2 people who found the bullet on the strecher say it was POINTED NOSE (7.35) NOT rounded and not the e399 from the WC!
Please look at the photo of oswald with the rifle and tell me if the front sling is mounted in the same positon.
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@mst3k4evur
Best of all the 2 people who found the bullet on the strecher say it was POINTED NOSE (7.35) NOT rounded and not the e399 from the WC!
Please look at the photo of oswald with the rifle and tell me if the front sling is mounted in the same positon.
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@mst3k4evur
Best of all the 2 people who found the bullet on the strecher say it was POINTED NOSE (7.35) NOT rounded and not the e399 from the WC!
Please look at the photo of oswald with the rifle and tell me if the front sling is mounted in the same positon.
gorilla199uncensored 4 months ago
Critical points of the case
Condemn the conspiracy, an organization would not put in the hands of a boy of 24 years the responsibility of killing the most powerful man in the world.
Validate the conspiracy, LHO would not have had time to make a lethal shot at JFK, 100 times he could not do the 3 shot at 6.7 Mon no more than 10 times.
The magic bullet of the second shot is a moving cinematic to be true.
joaoisobr 5 months ago
three situations have to believe!
1 - LHO was a crazy and out of nowhere for no reason strong shot and killed jfk
2 - LHO was planted at the scene to divert attention from the real shooters and spoiling the plot, would be impossible to think that murderers and gangsters send a boy to do the job.
3 - LHO was part of the conspiracy that did not have the Zapruder film, and not relied on LHO's arrest, fearing being caught jack silence LHO ordered.
joaoisobr 5 months ago
But murderers experienced a probable conspiracy LHO put in a car to another city and would never find him.
It is very intriguing .. I can not reach a conclusion.
joaoisobr 5 months ago
The "magic bullet" theory seems more likley as the bullet went through JFK's left shoulder exiting his trachea, kept going through the govenor of texas's 5th rib on the left side through his upper body into his wrist and then lodged into his thigh!!! Check because there are vids on this and someone almost perfectly recreated this!!!!!!
Toxicspida99 5 months ago
BELIEVE THAT THE RESUMPTION OF THE FOCUS ON TARGET 2 SHOTS CAN NOT BE DONE IN 6 SECONDS LOSE HIM MORE TIME TO FIND THE HEAD DURING MANEUVERS OF KENNEDY reload the weapon, see that he misses the first shot WITHOUT HAVING TO MANEUVER THE GUN, AND THE TREE TAKES SECOND AT LEAST 1 OF EHM.
joaoisobr 5 months ago
Y BELIEVE IN CONSPIRACY TO ME BECAUSE I HAVE DURING THE 6 SECONDS OF TIME THAT HAD TO SHOOT LHO, if it considers that the target was moving FIRST SHOT FOR THE SECOND AND THIRD TO SECOND FOR MANEUVER WITH THE BOLT TO LOAD THE GUN, HE LOSES FOCUS TARGET,
joaoisobr 5 months ago
2. Because he denied the murder.
3. WHY was wiped out the next day.
4. WHY NOT had traces of shooting.
5. WHY WERE NOT AGENTS Ago President's limousine.
6. REASONS WHY HE KILLED JFK. IT WAS NOT THE?
7. RESEARCH DID NOT RESPOND TO ANYTHING FOR NOTHING PEOPLE, just claim that Oswald acted alone THIS IS A STRENGTH TO VALIDATE A CONSPIRACY, NO ONE LOOKED FOR CLARIFICATION OF THE STATE OF THOUSANDS TO DOUBT THAT WE HAVE TODAY. RESEARCH was ridiculous.
joaoisobr 5 months ago
COLLABORATE FOR CONSPIRACY
1 - ALL MEASURES TAKEN BY JFK OPPOSITE INTERESTS OF WEAPONS OF AMERICAN INDUSTRY.
2 - THE CONTEXT OF CUBA.
3 - 27 THE CASE AGAINST THE MAFIA.
THE CONTRADICTIONS OF LHO
1. A YOUNG 24 YEARS OF JUST HOW MUCH WOULD HAVE TO BE TRAINED TO SET THE TIME SO DIFISSIL SHOT IN AN AREA SO LITTLE TIME. NEVER read anything about LHO have been an excellent Snippe. HOW MANY SHOTS LHO GAVE LIFE IN ARMY TRAINING OR SKILL TO HAVE AS MUCH.
joaoisobr 5 months ago
CONSPIRACY AGAINST COLLABORATE
QUESTION TO ALL! YOU ARE A GROUP LEADER ARCHITECT AND THE ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT OF THE GREATEST NATION IN THE WORLD The error cost CLEAR YOUR HEAD AND THE ENTIRE ORGANIZATION!
STAF AFFIRM THAT NO ONE PUT A BOY OF 24 YEARS TO DO THIS JOB, with a nut of a rifle OLD. This makes no sense.
IF YOU PUT THERE A CONSPIRACY ON THE SCENE OF THE CRIME LHO To conceal and cover up other shooters. If the insulation LHO BECAUSE NO EVENT WILL NEVER BE CONSIDERED AN CONSPIRACY.
joaoisobr 5 months ago
Why was it reported to be a Mauser? The agents didn't know the difference between a cheap file and a high power rifile? Mauser is also stamped on it.
JENDALL714 5 months ago
why some part of the rifle , are not blued ?
druisteen2 5 months ago
Loved your video. Any reasonable position I think is welcome. I don't however believe in coincidence theory JFK,RFK,MLK that was all about people who stuck there necks out too far. How do you feel about Carlos Hathcock saying that he couldn't replicate the shots?
UNIVERSITYHI 5 months ago
Great video. Kennedy was only about 80 yards away from Oswald at the time of the last shot. 80 yards with a scoped rifle is like a layup in basketball.
The fact that the car was moving obviously makes a head shot much tougher, but certainly not impossible. Assuming Oswald was aiming for Kennedy's head each time, he only hit his target 1 time out of 3 tries. The fact that he was shooting from a building gave him a perfect position to take the shots.
46spoony 5 months ago
My god you americans and your goddam conspiracies
I own 2 carcano rifles. Legally ofcourse, its allowed to own these rifles in belgium without a license. Everything what mag30th stated about the carcano rifle is true.
About the carcano itself, this has ALWAYS Been a rifle that was subject to mocking and jokes. But that underated carcano will hit targets at long ranges better then a 7.92mm mauser or a 7.62mm mosin.
F4Wildcat 5 months ago
@F4Wildcat My mate used to fire with a carcano.(Had to stop because of ammo shortage) and he confirmed this rifle's performance aswel
F4Wildcat 5 months ago
i have fired my friends carcano and tried doing 3 in 6 sec. the quickest i got was 8 to 10 sec. did it several times. Also had the bolt stick on me. So i ask was the rifle in this video modify in any way?
lovejen01 5 months ago
@ITALOVER2
exactly. i mean you're planning to shoot the president so you:
1. bring YOUR OWN RIFLE to do the deed INTO YOUR OWN PLACE OF BUSINESS?
2. then, LEAVE IT UP THERE ON THE SAME FLOOR AS THE SNIPER'S NEST?
3. then, stop in the 2nd floor lunch room for a coke and wait to get caught?
LiquorWreckedEmGood 6 months ago
There's no way to know whether this spin doctor oiled the rifle beforehand.
Sure, anyone can fire 3 rounds in 8 seconds with the Mannlicher-Carcano but let's see him replicate those shots six floors up, the same distance as to where Kennedy was when the first shot was fired and the biggest variable being a moving target which Kennedy was in the limousine traveling at 10-12 mph and actually hit the target using iron sights. A moving target is much more difficult than a stationary one.
SMACsonic 6 months ago 2
Very good,well like a lot of what happens
with our idiot politicians in DC these days,
we may never learn the truth!
Jman
Kabul81 6 months ago
Great video, mate. Even when u show them photgraphic proof, they resort to their final weak line of defense:
If a photograph is favorable to them, they show it
If a photgraph is not favorable to them, they claim it has been altered.
Keep up the good work.
shaboo2 6 months ago
@autoad I'm being more impartial than most on here. I'll take the report of the experts who handled the rifle the day after the shooting over one who handled it more than a decade later as to the condition of the rifle on the day of the shooting.
smartalek65 6 months ago
It was a conspiracy, plain and simple, triangulation shots, pure CIA stuff, Kennedy hacked a LOT of people off. Does not mean he was wrong to, but the vested interests were too many. The yanks got creamed in Vietnam, so Kennedy had the last laugh.
ARLO999 6 months ago
If you are the only shooter, why not shoot when the car is at the base of the building,Slowed down to seven mph?
Why would a right handed man shoot at a target( barrel out the window) at a target moving to the right? And Why is the Third shot the kill shot?...LT COLUMBO
Dion1957 6 months ago
@Dion1957
hell, just drop a hand grenade into the limo as it passes beneath your window.
LiquorWreckedEmGood 6 months ago
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vlunney 6 months ago
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vlunney 6 months ago
@mag30th I haven't personally handled Oswald's rifle, but I've read the reports and testimony of experts who have. There is nobody who would agree with the notion that it could be operated as easily as you imply.
smartalek65 6 months ago
CONT'D such actions. I must again ask your forgiveness for thinking you were better than that.
smartalek65 6 months ago
@msg30th Were we in a structured debate forum, I would have asked the moderator to have you rephrase the question, for relevance. It's YOU who would've been the laughing stock. I make a comment to another writer about the C2766 rifle's sticky bolt, and YOU ask if I agree with my stated source's conclusions concerning the entire JFK murder case. This whole line of questions was evidently designed to make it appear I contradict myself; how sad. I was badly mistaken in thinking you CONT'D
smartalek65 6 months ago
@mag30thIs this how you convince yourself that you're right? By misrepresenting and mischaracterizing the positions and answers of anyone who disagrees with you? You misrepresented my position with a loaded and rhetorical question, then mischaracterized my correction as "dancing" around that "question." There's no such thing as "dancing" around a loaded or rhetorical question, and yours was both.
smartalek65 6 months ago
@smartalek65 If we were debating this in a structured forum, with the response you just gave you would have been laughed off stage.
This was not a rhetorical question. You stated that because the FBI reached that conclusion, we are to assume that their conclusion was a fact.
Again, “Do you agree with all the conclusions the FBI made regarding the JFK assassination, or do you only agree with some of their conclusions (the ones that support your “theory”)?
mag30th 6 months ago
@mag30th I agree with FACTS, and it doesn't matter who presents them. Note, sir, FACTS, not interpretations. In this instance, it's the FACT that Oswald's rifle had a sticky bolt action; unlike the smooth action of yours.
smartalek65 7 months ago
@smartalek65 Nice job dancing around the question.
Ill ask you again, "Do you only support the FBI conclusions that support your position, and if they don’t support your position you toss those conclusions out."
A simple yes or no would do.
mag30th 7 months ago
@smartalek65 Smart states, "it's the FACT that Oswald's rifle had a sticky bolt action."
Did you personally examine it? Or do you base this "fact" only upon the FBI's conclusion?
mag30th 6 months ago
@smartalek65
How do you know that was not a result of neglect? The rifle was evidence in a murder and would not have been regularly cleaned and oiled by the FBI.
mst3k4evur 4 months ago
@Chew1964 The FBI cited the facts that Oswald's rifle had a sticky bolt action, making it MUCH more difficult to operate than mag30th's, demo'd in this vid.
smartalek65 7 months ago
@smartalek65 So you are in agreement with the conclusions made by the FBI? Or do you only support the FBI conclusions that support your position, and if they don’t support your position you toss those conclusions out. Which is it?
mag30th 7 months ago
@smartalek65 You're interpretation of the FBI report can hardly be impartial. You're adding your own "spin" to their report. If the bolt action of LHO's rifle was "sticky" and "difficult to operate" how was Monty Lutz able to fire LHO's rifle with little difficulty?
autoad 6 months ago
Great video. Thanks for all the work you put into it. 3 shots in 2.1 seconds! But... But... all the conspiracy nuts say it can't even be done in 6 seconds! *snicker*
Chew1964 7 months ago
@Chew1964 - "we" *snicker* are not denying the results and performance of THIS rifle. It is the actual rifle Oswald allegedly used in the fall of '63 that is in question.
LaneEternalmaster 7 months ago
It's amazing that one person can become an expert on ballistics, bullet trajectory, laws of inertia, physics, metallurgy, gun smithing, biology, medical forensics, securing crime scenes, collecting evidence, proper laboratory protocol, fingerprint collection/identification/preservation, proper police protocols, witness interrogation, criminal forensics, autopsy procedures, the examination and report writing, embalming, casketing and entombing the deceased and exhumation from reading a book. Wow.
LoneNutter1 7 months ago
hey guys!: who cares? jfk is dead and thats that
thundermonty 7 months ago