Hahaahahahahhahahahaha you know nothing about evolution. Im not going to explain it here cause im not allowed to have a long tekst. But think about this. If you have 2 organisms that are prey for instance, and 1 organism is slightly better camouflaged than the other, who of the 2 has the highest chaces of getting noticed by the hunter? And if the selection pressure is there for several generations, what kind of individuals do survive?
@hakim0436 Evolution could well turn out to be wrong or need to be refined, that is the whole point of science. I'll use it as a working hypothesis for the moment though. The alternative (that everything was created intentionally) is full of inconsistencies. Religious creation theories in poly-syllabic words are more silly: youtube.com/watch?v=L9EVMzVQKTk&hl=un
SubhanAllah what a great god is ALLAH, he gives us many miracles so we can
see and believe. This is just not possible to be created/evolve by itself. Notice that EVERYTHING has a designer, like a man designs a house, a boat, a car, nothing creates or evolves out of nothing, only the true and 1 god ALLAH can.
Thanks for this movie and showing us some miracles of Allah.
Natural Selection is the cause of camouflage. Creatures which are best suited to survive reproduce their offspring. In this case, creatures who are better able to hide from predators will carry on their genes. There is a global scientific consensus on this issue. Zeus, Baal, Thor, Horus or Allah are likely not the cause of camouflage.
@ 2:46, does anyone think why the seahorse can look like seaweed? I think maybe this seahorse has eaten those seaweed, so its gene blend with the gene of seaweed, so it changes to look like seaweed, do you think so? But I don't know how to explain octopus has the color of rock, did the octopus eat rock? ;/
I don't think so Leafy sea dragon (Phycodurus eques) look like seaweed, it's use it for camouflage, and i don't think leafy sea dragon eat seaweed but small fishes or shrimps. Leafy sea dragon is closly related to the seahorse
You're kidding right? How old are you? Six? Do you not know anything about how evolution works? The fact that you think that's how the seahorse looks like seaweed makes my brain bleed a little from your utter ignorance and sheer stupidity.
If you're six years old or under, I apologize.
Ok, if you eat a tomato, do you then begin looking like a tomato? Your logic is seriously flawed.
The Seahorse, over many years and many generations, adapted to its environment to better hide from predators. Seahorses which displayed characteristics of seaweed were more likely to avoid being eaten. Thus, they were more able to pass on their offspring. Each surviving generation looks more like seaweed than the last. Natural Selection is the answer.
In other words: In my opinion both the idea that everything works with chance / natural selection ànd the idea that one God created everything in 1 time could be wrong, or could both be only a part of it.
I peronally see evolution as a spiritual development process of the Earth and everything that lives on it.
There is a litle bit of God in every living creature and that's why every creature has an individual development.
Why are we all so sure that these insects didn't choose to have such a camoflage?
What do we realy, realy know about it? What do we know about their way to "think" or to make choices? This video has conclusions about things which are not so sure as they want you to believe!
I personally believe it's possible that the insects can program the shape of their children. That also explains why the don't draw a leaf on their own body! It might just be managed at the moment of their reproduction.
this person assumes if something cannot speak, it cannot think. True maybe, that no other being possesses our exact idea of "thought", but that idea differs from person to person even. Observing the displays of nature built the idea of perfection, but we assume noting them is the only way to recognize they're importance. No wonder this kind of limited "rationality" leads one to assume everything must have been built by a large man in the sky who owns everything.
"There is no doubt that the designs are proof of the creator who brought them into being. It is well-known that [evolution] claims that all things are the work of chance. However, the leaf design [...] is sufficient to show that the wings are the work of the Creator."
It's so simple-minded! I'm blown away by how much resistance there is to the Theory of Evolution. I guess scientists are known for being stupid, right? Or maybe there are people who need to admit that they just don't understand.
"NOT by chance!!! Also "Natural Selection" has no mind. Does it?"
...Your kidding right, saying this you suggest that we think natural selection and thus exists as a being. Natural Selection is the the name put to the process. Natural selection does not have a mind, but the creatures that go through that process DO have a mind and a need to survive.
Why didn't God just create a world where insects didn't NEED camouflage to protect itself from ENEMIES that God put her to kill them. Illogical. Believers are dumb. Atheist are smart. Ha Ha Ha
It's not coincidence, it's evolution. The animals born of these same species without these traits were killed by exactly what these traits protect them from. Over millions of years all that's left are the animals that were born with these traits. An example of this amongst humans is when plagues were all over Europe. The people that survived were the ones born with a natural immunity, and their children.
I think you're missing the point... They don't have to be AWARE of how they look. If a family member in their genetic lineage survived because it looked the most like a leaf, the ones that look less like leaves would be eaten, leaving the more successful, most leaf-like bug would survive to procreate, giving his spawn the same leafy appearance.
Did not expect the allah, halfway through. The amount of begging the question, strawman arguments against evolution, and false premise is consistent with any Christian creationist. Kent Hovind would be proud.
I would use the argument from "Growing Up in the Universe." The main selective pressure for camouflage being predation; animals that had better camouflage would be less likely to be eaten. Why do these organisms need such thorough camouflage? The reason is, sharp-eyed birds from longer distances wouldn't be able to see the slightly better camouflaged but not exactly leaf-like bugs. But when the birds are closer they can see all but the best mimics, and these mimics would leave more offspring.
Also just for the record evolution isn't against god.. as god is all seeing he created everything on the creation of the universe as all the atoms bound by laws are guaranteed to have the same outcome. So by god making the universe he would have designed everything between the beginning to the end
I myself do not believe in god, however i don't see why in anyway evolution should be against god...
But the more the eye developed the more leaf-like they became, because only the ones that could fool the eyes o predictors survived so 400 million years ago all they needed to be green for animals to not see any difference between them, then 100 years later shape then 300 million years later (present day) you need to convince predictors with advanced eyes (the same as our own)
Sorry for going into the eyes development too much If you are interested at all read my comments from bottom to top
wtf evolution explains exactly how these insects became how they are today, basically to begin with there would be an insect some green some black.... the black ones are seen by predictors and the green ones live on DNA mutations may cause the insect to look more like a leaf.. those would live on to breed and this would happen many many times until they look how they do today,
You may say that is absurd but don't forget insects have been evolving for over 407 million years
Also at the same time predators with the best eye sight would find food easily live long and have allot of offspring, so the evolution of the eye would help cause the evolution of insect camouflage (The eye at 400 million years ago would be evolving to have a better lens by the fluid in the eye becoming more dense, to begin with the eye would have been flat and would only detect light, then by dna mutation a lucky organism would have an eye that slightly domes inward giving a small sense of
direction, this would happen many times as by chance DNA mutations cause a slightly more deep inward dome until light source could be pinpointed very sufficiently, then eye fluid becoming denser would be the next advantage as clear images could be formed as the fluid becomes more dense. This development of the eye also sped up the development of camouflage because only the insects that are not seen could survive, when the eye was in low development all they needed was color
"It is well-known that Darwin's theory of evolution claims that all living things are the work of chance"
That's nothing more than a bold lie. Please stop bearing false witness, evolution makes no such claim. The proposed mechanism works by natural selection, which is the exact opposite of chance.
It is as incorrect as saying: "according to the Bible, the only way into heaven is to reject Jesus".
Please, know what the theory actually says before rejecting it.
No matter what the theory states, it is not based on truth! Speculation drive this theory and it take more faith do believe that over billions of years that this planet came to be the way it is in preasent day. Science continually proves itself wrong so why believe in something that will be outdated in a few years when you can beleive in a never changing, never failing God! Not Allah as it states in the video but God whos son is Jesus!
No science is based on truth. It's based on observable reality, the closest thing we have to truth. But it's not THE TRUTH, nor should it be. Scientists are most humble in that regard. You could take a page from that book.
The theory is based on speculation which has then been turned into testable hypotheses which after successful testing and constriction of a rigid framework has become a scientific theory, every bit as valid as plate tectonics or heliocentricism.
The beauty of science is that it doesn't require faith. If you doubt any specific part of a theory, you can test it for yourself, or research it in any number of ways.
Science doesn't prove itself wrong, it knows it's wrong to begin with. This is called instrumentalism - it's all about useful models for understanding nature, not the final truth about EVERYTHING. How infinitely arrogant of you to think YOU know what that truth is when even the most gifted scientists readily admit that they don't
Why accept fact as fact when facts can be reinterpreted? Your "never changing" God has changed quite a bit over the years, you know. Every time science makes another advance, you have to reinterpret your Bible to make it fit. "Earth goes around the Sun? Throw that man in prison!" (centuries pass) "What, everyone accepts that thing about the Sun now? Well how lucky that this is exactly what the Bible says, if we just focus on this bit and ignore this other bit.."
Your God changes constantly. Or do you still want to take credit for the Spanish Inquisition? Torturing innocent people is your thing, is it? Does cutting people's skin off make you feel holy? Death by slow disembowelment? WWJD?
Obviously you'd say that's not Christianity, but it WAS at one time. So get over this idea that your God is unchanging.
And the reason we accept science, even though it always improves itself, that should be obvious: Science is really, really useful BECAUSE it improves itself.
I encourage you to sit down one day with the Bible, page through it and find the blueprints for a computer, or the cure for smallpox. The key words you want to look for are "cognitive" and "dissonance".
Allah, God, Jehovah all are the same creator. It is the path you choose to follow that makes the difference as well as your actions in obeying righteous laws. Religions are created to hold masses of people to their demographic area, by race, ethnicity, language,culture, wealth including politics.
Freud could not cope the idea that a great entity, the creator made him, But God, Allah, and all the other names you would like to use it, is NATURE.. I love nature...
This video was really great, until it got near the end talking about religion. My mother is Muslim, and I showed her this video. We simply came to the conclusion that religion might not have been the best mix of topic. It's result, the numerous arguments in the comment section. I rather just appreciate the creatures than to hear an influencing speech, religious or political.
Three exclamation points doesn't make it true. This video is intellectually lazy. If you believe the world is 6k years old, then sure this camouflage could only come about by a god.
I don't want to change your mind. All I want is that you honestly investigate yourself.
hey there. have commented on this strand a few times and find the answers and defensive attitude of muhaddithorg very immature. he's in his sixties but his reasoning seems like that of a 7 year old that desperately wants to still believe in santa. keep posting mate and keep thinking!!!
you say that without seeing the programme. you are an apologist for your old fashioned belief system and jihad is your aim. be honest and stop acting as if you wish peace on earth. we saw how many muslims rejoiced when the twin towers went down. zealous, ill informed and brainwashed like many believers whatever the faith. look after your fellow humans and let your god look after himself, he's a big boy!
i'm from england mate and we are at least trying to put our barbaric past behind us. we don't rejoice in murder and punishment. even in america it's behind closed doors and saved for serious murderers not unfaithful wives so get off your high horse. it's a pastime for people like you yet you pretend yours is a peaceful faith. bullsh*t!
rational conviction? i suggest you watch the british tv programme'dispatches- the secret mosque' to get an inside look at how your faith is being utilised by angry militants in the name of allah.
of course you mean only muslims will get to heaven? not the others who believe in their gods? what about the abrahamic god of the jews and christians, are you actually aware that it's the same one but with mohammeds interpretation from the same writings? crazy, silly superstitions given weight through time and mind control.
mocking is not allowed but stoning for adultery is? that's as laughable as the iranian leader stating that there are no homosexuals in iran. Who would dare admit to it? that's control not truth. mocking is necessary to hold the mirror up to anti human faiths.
it seems to be you who is confused about what evirus has put plainly. if you were not raised a muslim you would not be 'compelled' to believe in allah or the Quran. it is exactly your upbringing and indoctrination that has supplied you with your belief not compulsion.
are you saying that the greeks didn't believe in a creator? go back to school!
you are giving two choices 1 monotheism 2 atheism
there are more than that because of the amount of religions that preach that they alone hold the key to heaven, because of this they can't logically be lumped into one group, which is what your trying to do.
false diachotemy, your forgetting a third possability, both of us are wrong, it could have been the greeks that got it right, or some ancient group of hunter gatherers that died off before spreading their beliefs.
"there is no compulsion" so do you vow to not raise your children in the traditions of islam, as to not unfairly bias its' dicision towards the religion it has be taught by parents to believe?
your answers would be insufficent, telling us why a god would care about us dosn't make that god exist, "timmy the five horned unicorn with wings cares about you alot because he respects all life, does that mean he exists?"
we have the right to evaluate your beliefs on logical grounds, to shrug it off as us mocking you not only insults your own ability to reason but also degrades how intelligent and mature others may think your are.
my argument is not that deterrent dosn't work, its the validity of the deterrent, why should we invent, or rely on, concepts such as hell just to make people do good things when it has been varified in studies that you get similar resualts with a secular legal system. and when it comes to inforcing morals, whos morals, if we brought a man from the past through time to the present, some things he will note as a clue of societie's decline, and others of society's enlightenment.
the only way i would be interested in following any religion would be if i felt something missing from my life. the natural world is amazing and beautiful enough without the idea of invisible father figures. it is also disinterested in me you or anything but that doesn't mean life is worthless from a human viewpoint. i like living and i hope to do plenty more before my body finally quits through old age. (and no i'm not a hedonist but i don't want to live like a monk either).
the question is how you justify the concept of hell as something other than a fear based deterance. it takes several bricks to build a house, much like it takes several good answers to make me believe in a god
and you whole "islam encurages rational though" grandstanding dosn't make islam the one true religion, just because it says good things dosn't mean the supernatural claims are true.
but they do fit in context. why would god really care if you faced mecca or not? it's a way to keep you fearful and thankful. you call it duty most would consider it conditioning. also mecca was a 'holy' place before mohammed and an agreement was struck between mohammeds followers and the old faith to keep the visitors coming. shocking eh?
so eternal damnation as a concept is not an attempt to scare people into doing the right thing? if not than why would your god even bother creating such a "world"?
its a friggen example ok. and secondly chemical reactions arn't random, gravity's effects on matter also arn't random, so to assume it is random for sepcific things to happen like the hydrogen bonds of water, and than apply a probability estimate to it, is absurd.
it's 10^1259999920 times the number of atoms in the universe. yet this doesn't reall matter because every mathematician would aproximate this to be infinite!
probability is the measure of likelyhood of an event happening again, again being the key word.
and too suggest that its so improbable for a complex being to evolve, and require a god to have created it, you not only increase the complexity of god but tbe improbability of god. this is a clear violation of occam's razor, explanitions of the complex need to end in simplicity not exponentialy more complexity.
but the point you are forgetting is, that the result you get with your 10 dice has to make SENCE!!!! if you take just one of the possible DNAs how big do you think the chance is that it contains any useful information at all?
your comment proves the terrible blindness of your faith (and the others). 'proving allah will never happen' because you 'want to have something to blindly follow'. why the urge to feel like you owe somebody? that has been indoctrinated into you. how can that be free will. you see your imprisoned mind as a rebellious free one. quite scary to most humans. you should love your children above any invisible entity but your book says otherwise! that is weakness, not strength!
i wouldn't say its so much as people trying to redefine what your god is but to show you how contradictory your statement is internally;
1 the universe REQUIRES a creator just like everything in it.
2 God created the universe
3 God dosn't require a creator
the only way you can give them some closure on what you think is to give evidence that says your god is in fact what you say he is, because otherwise your beliefs just echo of ad-hoc rationalization.
you were asking a question in that post? anyways, your arguement, or belief what ever, is that god dosn't need a cause but the universe does, or what ever made the universe(a quantum fluctuation for example) does. but im not so sure about that, would you define the quantum fluctuation as allah if it turns out to not need a cause?
ad-hoc rationalization combined with a hint of emotional appeal. first you say that god can't be proven because he dosn't want to be proven(yah nice way to skirt around the issue). than you go on about "testing the good punishing the evil" answer me this do you define allah as "all powerful" "all knowing" and "all good"?
yet the question how such a diversity of living things came to be is in fact a matter of believe, because the human brain is limited in its posibilities and we there for can't know / find out everything!
personally i think the mahtematical chance of a first living beeing to be created by coincidence is almost infinitely small and therefor there must be some higher power which we can't grasp.
if that is what you think than you are misapplying probability. if you roll a set of six dice and record the resualts, work out the probability of rolling that number you will see that the probability is extremely small, the problem is that you just rolled it. probability is about things happening again, not once.
now:4^5 =1024 -> 4^2100000000 is about 10^1260000000 this is 10^2099999920 times the number of atoms in the universe! it's impossible to imagine such a big number!
again like i said you are incorrect in you useage of probability. when you look at the probability for any event to happen, that has happened, it will always be massivly improbable because the amount of things that are required for it to happen, but it DID happen. this is why i gave you the dice example, roll 10 dice, record the resualts, whats the probability of you getting those resualts again? extremly small, but you just got those resualts.
... so therefore you can't infer that a god MUST be responsable for an event which seems improbable. improbability dosn't equal impossability. it is an arguement from incredulity, you can't understand something so its false by defualt. and the diversity has been explained and varified several times with mountains of evidences(sometimes litterally) by evolution.
ah yes the ad homenem arguement, "ignore what that man is saying, he dosn't believe in god therefore everything he says is a lie." honestly i could say the same thing about you, "don't listen to psf1busta hes just some radical towel head thats living in the dark ages!"
no practicing muslim, jew, hindu, christian or john frum worshipper should use 'brainwashing' as an argument about others who are trying to be honest and discuss facts. if dawkins said i had to face his house and pray 5 times a day then i'd think he'd lost the plot and was trying to brainwash me.
1- To the gentleman who's reading Dawkins: Did you realize the stupidity and implications of his "multiverse"? (and of the universe that existed since "eternity", which Dawkins does not dare suggest)?
Dawkins CONCEDED the possibility that the laws of the universe are too finely tuned as to be an accident": youtube . com/watch?v=bEPUn__hYso
what's your argument? dawkins admits he doesn't know everything so there must be a god? believe what you will but your faith is regressive not progressive these days. if a muslim scientist could put real time and effort in i'm sure he could prove allahs existence once and for all with clear evidence not words from an old book.
natural its just as the word describes it, natural, just trow something in the air all day and eventually something may last on the other side, thats natural!! nvm ill apreciate if you stop sending me pointless videos
science isn't going to concern itself with every crack pot saying that the only way to disprove their world view is to create some specific life form! If you think that qualifies your beliefs i have a bridge in brooklyn i want to sell you!
i dont see where does the word tackles fit in, i just cant believe you are actually trying to say that the idea an inteligent being made the universe out of nothingness then controled the change of the animals just to reach a point into our evolution, then just trying to understan the fact of evolution and natural selection,
WTF HFD !!!1 there i cant believe you actually said that!!!! natural selection doesnt have a mind!!! well it doesnt have too!!! its like saying electricity doesnt have a mind!!! of course it doesnt!!!! its just a reaction animals evolved and theyr changes didnt work ....^^
'there is NO doubt that these conscious designs are the work of a creator' says the narrator. well i doubt it so that's one for a start. natural selection is a much more fulfilling and reasonable explanation for all that exists and has existed. god is a lazy answer to difficult questions.
Ok but then I ask you the next logical question: where did evolution come from? Something doesn't come from nothing! If it were that simple, then why can't scientists create a seed from scratch, that then evolves into a flower and reproduces etc (for example) Simply put; there had to be a Creator, cause there is a creation.
And natural selection doesn't explain human brain size. Nature would favor small brains, cause small heads are easier to give birth to. In fact, in a pre-modern time many women died while giving birth, because of the large skulls of baby's. Again, random natural selected processes would favor smaller brainsizes in humans for the simple fact that the mother would risk death with a to large skull of the baby. Explain that please..
it really is simple. the babies born with bigger brains survived in competion with smaller brained relatives. not by choice but by natural selection. the mothers didn't consciously think about childbirth any more than a male praying mantis worries about getting eaten by it's mate. urges ensured offspring. animals without those urges have passed no genes onto us. evolution is ongoing
No it's not that simple. You don't get the point. Natural selection would favor small brainsize, cause mothers risk death when giving birth to baby's with large skulls. Nature would 'choose' small brainsize just for that reason, cause like you said, it's all about the survival of the species. So why would risk extinction with big-brained-baby's when it would be more natural to produce small-brained-baby's?
christ man.understand this..the mothers of your ancestors gave birth to the size of skull that they could manage. some died some didn't. the ones that didn't could pass on the characteristics that meant survival for bigger brained kids. NOT BY CHOICE but BY ADAPTING to circumstances and perhaps being more attracted to problem solvers than numbskulls.
Read what scientists have to say about this, cause this point is a major problem with natural selected processes. If 1 in 5 mothers died while giving birth, nature wouldn't continue the process of enlarging brains. I'm not saying evolution is a myth, I believe Allah created the entire universe and life according to natural laws and stages. So believe what you want and let others believe what they want to believe. You say I can't proove there is a God, well you can't proove there isn't.
You go and read every book that claims that it came from God and since God created the entire universe, any book that seems to contradict science can't be from God, cause the Creator would know His creation right. That's why the Qur'an is so unique from other books. Here you have a book that's claiming to be from God and is making statements that refer to the creation nobody at the time of revelation could've possibly known.
because a book says it's from god it must be true? that is so strong an argument why not base a whole ideology and religion on it? wait a minute someone already did and it sucks. Why you say? because mohammed took the scriptures that make up the bible and taught people like jesus did but his teachings are abused and misinterpreted or are archaic in the extreme (women=cattle). plus a larger amount of people have different beliefs so need assimilating. an awful concept
which scientists. i've read most of dawkins' books and am halfway through Darwins Origin of Species. no mention that nature would spot that one in five equation that you are using. look how many sperm get wasted every time you have sex, what a waste of tiny potential lives but there are still plenty of us about. islam, like all religions, can provide nothing that can't be provided by non believers too.
Yeah whatever dude, like I said, if a book claims to be from the Creator, you should find proof for that in the book itself. Science came to know that the entire universe originated out of the BigBang and that all living things came from water. The one who 'wrote' the Qur'an 1400 years ago somehow knew this and many other scientifac facts, that only recently could be verified and somehow failed to make a single false statement..
If you can show me a book like that, perhaps a book from Zeus or Baal, with scientific statements, all of them agreeing with modern science, you would have a point, but the Qur'an is unique in that way. (women = cattle? lol Islam gave women and men equality. Perhaps you should also read some history books)
i've read plenty and believe me, i've understood early muslims to be open minded and progressive. they protected ancient greek parchments and learned from them. they passed these onto renaissance italy and also brought the zero into the west's numerical system doing away with roman numerals. so thanks, i know some stuff. doesn't mean your book is any truer than any other faith book.
of course i've not read the koran, life's too short and too good for that. i have read the bibles claims to the creation though and the koran is based on the same scrolls so i'm guessing it has the same vague parables that can be made to fit in with what has been discovered for real since. if it said that allah created dna and used it populate the earth with variety through evolution, then i would consider it. post me some quotes from it that you say correspond with todays knowledge please.
(6:133)Your Lord, the Rich and Merciful, if He wishes, can discard you and succeed you with whatever He wishes; Just like He created you from the seed of another clan. - The Quran specifically uses the word "Whatever" or "What" ("ma" in Arabic). This Arabic word "ma" cannot refer to humans; this word is strictly reserved for nonhumans (the Arabic word that does refer to humans is "men", meaning "who" or "whoever").
(24:45) And Allah has created every animal from water; of them there are some that creep on their bellies; some that walk on two legs; and some that walk on four. Allah creates what He wills: for Allah has power over all things. - Quran says here that the entire animal kingdome came from water
that's a bit like the judeo christian claim that god made man from dust/clay so creationists say that proves the scribes knew that we are made from earthly materials. vague enough to fit what we now know is true.
logical must mean something different to the faithful! science, like life is not simply black and white. the answers to creation so far are incredibly complex (quantum theory) but that doesn't mean they are not valid. god as creator still poses the same question 'who created the creator?' please don't quote scripture!!
Did I? Allah wasn't created. That's the concept of God right, He created and sustains all. Where did evolution evolve from? How could dead things produce life? Were there any natural selected processes that led to the BigBang? Lot of questions, that seem quite important. You look at the universe and the earth and conclude that there is no God, I do the same and come to the conclusion that there had to be a God. Don't go saying I'm being illogical just cause I came to a different conclusion
also evolution irrefutably shows how complex organisms evolve over time from simple ones. god however was ultimately complex and arrived like that? then created the universe? then created man as well as dung beetles and pubic lice? and has time to listen to all our prayers and answer them? show me the logic my good man!!!
Your concept of God is wrong, simple as that. God isn't like anything He created. He created time, so how can He not have it to listen to prayers and answer them? You believe in the BigBang and that all living things evolved from water right.. the Qur'an confirms both in 1 sentence 1400 years ago. You can't explain how the BigBang came to be or how life evolved from nothing, the Qur'an gives the anwser: Allah did it...
not that old chestnut! if i'm wrong about your god then he's in the company of zeus, thor, baal, shiva and many many more. you happen to believe in allah. i simply cannot submit to an invisible entity who never shows up and only works in mysterious ways. it is quite simply a nonsense that exists because of mans fear of death and desire to be led and comforted. sorry
It's quite simple: 1400 years ago a man claimed that he recieved revelation from the Creator of the universe. In the book revealed to him it says, that Creator caused the BigBang and created from water all living beings. Centuries later man comes to the same conclusion, but can't explain how something could evolve from nothing, while the book says 'the Creator did it' I understand that's a big leap of faith for you and I respect your opinions.
its argueing from ignorance to pin the answer as "god did it" just because you don't know any other answere. it is not science to explain something using an untestable unfalsifiable resualt. and finally the creation of life wasn't an act of evolution, because only living things evolve, the best evidence today points to live arrising as a resualt of simple chemical reactions.
Yeah well you send me this vid to watch, but to me it's clear; evolution is a fact! The amazing camouflage that species possess doesn't proove your point. You're trying to say that this couldn't happen by chance and I agree, we differ in that you believe Allah put all these animals in their present form on earth, where I believe Allah created them through different stages (evolution) The Qur'an nowhere says anything that contradicts evolution.
If Allah created from water all living beings, then you have to explain how all these land-animals that are alive today could come out of the water, if not in a different form. Or were birds flying in the oceans? Offcourse not. Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala created the entire universe through natural laws and processes and the 'theory' of evolution does not affect Islam and its teachings in any way. I agree with it, but dissagree with people like themadhair who conclude that there is no God.
Why did you send me this video? You are giving me the impression that you ignorant of the subject of biological evolution and sending me videos like this in combination with not addressing anything I say amounts to a complete waste of time for both of us.
Natural selection doesn't have a mind, but why do think that prevents such camouflage evolving? Considering that is the claim being made it is piss poor that the claim is nowhere addressed here.
So how does camouflage evolve? Simple really. Because of mutations you end up with variation in a population -- and natural selection with select those better camouflaged while not selecting those that are worse camouflaged. This happens because of the slight statistical survival advantage such improved camouflage gives against predators. The result of this process over many generations is a gradual steady improvement in camouflage. It is logically inevitable.
But apparently this type of reasoning seems to be beyond you -- whether by deliberate choice and/or lack of intelligence is always difficult to say.
Even programmers have cottoned on to the power of natural selection as an improvement mechanism. Utilising the central tenets of such they computed better orbits for communications satellites (technology . newscientist . com/article/dn1437).
But hey, this work must be false if natural selection has no mind right?
This whole notion of God is really just another way to justify evil and ignorance. If we don't know how something works, then it must be supernatural and God doesn't want us to know... QUIT LOOKING! If we see something that we don't like, or goes against what most people think is normal, then it's evil and God wants us to destroy it. We'll never grow up until we learn to look at these remarkable creatures and ask "how" without jumping to the invisible man conclusion.
i reply on the chance , that your reply being unanswered , may appear to suggest i believe evolution [micro evolution within a species ;yes ,macro ;into other species [no]
and worse presume it by chance ,chance has nothing to do with micro evolution ,every thing to do with other principles held by darwin[and mendel]
I'll admit that post below wasn't terribly polite, and for that I apologise - I must have been tired. And angry.
I took umbrage when the video said that diversity is the work of chance. Random mutation could be seen as chance, I suppose, but that is only half of the evolution picture. Natural selection, though, is the opposite of chance, and I wish that just one creationist would see that. Just one!
please paul we are all searching for something weether we believe in god or not god loves our passion it isnt sop much what we believe [but that we believe something] no man can know how [god] [or natural selection or natural selector]did 'it' sure we can speculate [but in the end and i hope we can agree nothing was by chance that in time all will know egsactly how it all went down
thanx for your kind help,but natural selection doesn't have mind,i repeat,why don't you watch the other video on my main page,about wise,chance or inspiration.
Chance? CHANCE?! Oh, what the hell, I can't even be bothered. If you think evolution occurs by chance, read a fucking book. Well, first learn to read. Then read a fucking book.
of course u will get angry,delusional brain-washed humanbeing!
ur only chance to "create" something by "evil-lotion" is using stupid mutations,which can be called "chance" as well.then already i pointed natural selection doesn't have mind.
go on satisfying yourself,u r close to learn the sooths.
but will it blend?
21creed 3 days ago
Hahaahahahahhahahahaha you know nothing about evolution. Im not going to explain it here cause im not allowed to have a long tekst. But think about this. If you have 2 organisms that are prey for instance, and 1 organism is slightly better camouflaged than the other, who of the 2 has the highest chaces of getting noticed by the hunter? And if the selection pressure is there for several generations, what kind of individuals do survive?
dekippiesip 4 days ago
the video turns to shit once he starts arguing against darwin, this guys a fuckin idiot
Nicelynice17 4 months ago
METAL GEAR!?!?!?!
dah9vandals 6 months ago
@hakim0436 Evolution could well turn out to be wrong or need to be refined, that is the whole point of science. I'll use it as a working hypothesis for the moment though. The alternative (that everything was created intentionally) is full of inconsistencies. Religious creation theories in poly-syllabic words are more silly: youtube.com/watch?v=L9EVMzVQKTk&hl=un
cr4k 7 months ago
i dont understand why everyone is hating, Allah seems like a great guy...
THISISAVERYCOOLNAME 8 months ago
Octopus r awesome!
ruckaisawesome 8 months ago
amazing , I love the animal´s camouflage !
mosqueteraz 10 months ago
I hate it when nature videos are religious and talk about other gods. Allah? Really? What are we, Islam people or whatever?
MITBfromROBLOX 11 months ago
yeah brother... not by any stupid chance...
iamlokingforchange 11 months ago
la ilahe ilallah
sendelse 1 year ago
Everyone who knows even a little bit about biology, knows that it's not at all about chance. Evolution is driven by selection!
afhdfh 1 year ago
i thought it was very good till the allah thing (religion)came, why would alla create such things.... anyway its great ( withought the comentry )
nicoandalexshow 1 year ago
SubhanAllah what a great god is ALLAH, he gives us many miracles so we can
see and believe. This is just not possible to be created/evolve by itself. Notice that EVERYTHING has a designer, like a man designs a house, a boat, a car, nothing creates or evolves out of nothing, only the true and 1 god ALLAH can.
Thanks for this movie and showing us some miracles of Allah.
kalliber5 1 year ago
Natural Selection is the cause of camouflage. Creatures which are best suited to survive reproduce their offspring. In this case, creatures who are better able to hide from predators will carry on their genes. There is a global scientific consensus on this issue. Zeus, Baal, Thor, Horus or Allah are likely not the cause of camouflage.
stantheman120 2 years ago
HAHA!!
i was like; dam another god video... but it wasnt the christian god they where referring too loL!!!
hmmz the christians are using this same argument for their god. loL_! i laughed
mastela88 2 years ago
lmfao everything was gr8 untill he mentioned a creator...
mastela88 2 years ago
4:10 Maybe a adult Phyllium giganteum female
DXmmuauaua 2 years ago
@ 2:46, does anyone think why the seahorse can look like seaweed? I think maybe this seahorse has eaten those seaweed, so its gene blend with the gene of seaweed, so it changes to look like seaweed, do you think so? But I don't know how to explain octopus has the color of rock, did the octopus eat rock? ;/
NvideoG 2 years ago
I don't think so Leafy sea dragon (Phycodurus eques) look like seaweed, it's use it for camouflage, and i don't think leafy sea dragon eat seaweed but small fishes or shrimps. Leafy sea dragon is closly related to the seahorse
DXmmuauaua 2 years ago
You're kidding right? How old are you? Six? Do you not know anything about how evolution works? The fact that you think that's how the seahorse looks like seaweed makes my brain bleed a little from your utter ignorance and sheer stupidity.
If you're six years old or under, I apologize.
Ok, if you eat a tomato, do you then begin looking like a tomato? Your logic is seriously flawed.
aoisenshi05 2 years ago
NvideoG:
The Seahorse, over many years and many generations, adapted to its environment to better hide from predators. Seahorses which displayed characteristics of seaweed were more likely to avoid being eaten. Thus, they were more able to pass on their offspring. Each surviving generation looks more like seaweed than the last. Natural Selection is the answer.
stantheman120 2 years ago
In other words: In my opinion both the idea that everything works with chance / natural selection ànd the idea that one God created everything in 1 time could be wrong, or could both be only a part of it.
I peronally see evolution as a spiritual development process of the Earth and everything that lives on it.
There is a litle bit of God in every living creature and that's why every creature has an individual development.
jongeduard 2 years ago
Why are we all so sure that these insects didn't choose to have such a camoflage?
What do we realy, realy know about it? What do we know about their way to "think" or to make choices? This video has conclusions about things which are not so sure as they want you to believe!
I personally believe it's possible that the insects can program the shape of their children. That also explains why the don't draw a leaf on their own body! It might just be managed at the moment of their reproduction.
jongeduard 2 years ago
Aw, this video was good until the magic part.
Carl Sagan has a video on camouflaged insects without all the superstition.
harris3810 2 years ago
this person assumes if something cannot speak, it cannot think. True maybe, that no other being possesses our exact idea of "thought", but that idea differs from person to person even. Observing the displays of nature built the idea of perfection, but we assume noting them is the only way to recognize they're importance. No wonder this kind of limited "rationality" leads one to assume everything must have been built by a large man in the sky who owns everything.
Dargortheshadowlord 2 years ago
I was enjoying this video up until it got all creationist on me. Not gonna rant and start a flame war though.
HailToTheThief28 2 years ago
"There is no doubt that the designs are proof of the creator who brought them into being. It is well-known that [evolution] claims that all things are the work of chance. However, the leaf design [...] is sufficient to show that the wings are the work of the Creator."
It's so simple-minded! I'm blown away by how much resistance there is to the Theory of Evolution. I guess scientists are known for being stupid, right? Or maybe there are people who need to admit that they just don't understand.
LordOfTheGnus 2 years ago
is this supposed to be an anti-evolution vid? evolution by natural selection is the exact opposite of coincidence lol
spl0uf 2 years ago
lol at 2:50 it looks like an asian fish
rikufan12345 2 years ago
"NOT by chance!!! Also "Natural Selection" has no mind. Does it?"
...Your kidding right, saying this you suggest that we think natural selection and thus exists as a being. Natural Selection is the the name put to the process. Natural selection does not have a mind, but the creatures that go through that process DO have a mind and a need to survive.
L8519 3 years ago
Nature do exists as a being...soft of....
MobileFreedom122 2 years ago
In what sense?
In the sense of nature being the name/general term put towards the existance of an envoriment sure...in a weird way.
but in the sense of nature itself having a mind...no : P
L8519 2 years ago
I didn't say nature had mind BUT it alive...
MobileFreedom122 2 years ago
Why didn't God just create a world where insects didn't NEED camouflage to protect itself from ENEMIES that God put her to kill them. Illogical. Believers are dumb. Atheist are smart. Ha Ha Ha
MisterParky 3 years ago
lol yes
zandone45 2 years ago
It's not coincidence, it's evolution. The animals born of these same species without these traits were killed by exactly what these traits protect them from. Over millions of years all that's left are the animals that were born with these traits. An example of this amongst humans is when plagues were all over Europe. The people that survived were the ones born with a natural immunity, and their children.
dougzick 3 years ago
If camouflage protects the insects from being eaten, it also provides easy pray. So, it is not proof of god
mildpace 3 years ago
Science is ruined by people using it's unexplainable wonder as evidence of god.
mortuus8 3 years ago 3
I think you're missing the point... They don't have to be AWARE of how they look. If a family member in their genetic lineage survived because it looked the most like a leaf, the ones that look less like leaves would be eaten, leaving the more successful, most leaf-like bug would survive to procreate, giving his spawn the same leafy appearance.
Candorf 3 years ago 6
Did not expect the allah, halfway through. The amount of begging the question, strawman arguments against evolution, and false premise is consistent with any Christian creationist. Kent Hovind would be proud.
kamijk 3 years ago
just assume the result was left to the viewers
bring your argument as an ending
HighFlyingDutchman 3 years ago
I would use the argument from "Growing Up in the Universe." The main selective pressure for camouflage being predation; animals that had better camouflage would be less likely to be eaten. Why do these organisms need such thorough camouflage? The reason is, sharp-eyed birds from longer distances wouldn't be able to see the slightly better camouflaged but not exactly leaf-like bugs. But when the birds are closer they can see all but the best mimics, and these mimics would leave more offspring.
kamijk 3 years ago 4
Also just for the record evolution isn't against god.. as god is all seeing he created everything on the creation of the universe as all the atoms bound by laws are guaranteed to have the same outcome. So by god making the universe he would have designed everything between the beginning to the end
I myself do not believe in god, however i don't see why in anyway evolution should be against god...
bradkey98765 3 years ago
But the more the eye developed the more leaf-like they became, because only the ones that could fool the eyes o predictors survived so 400 million years ago all they needed to be green for animals to not see any difference between them, then 100 years later shape then 300 million years later (present day) you need to convince predictors with advanced eyes (the same as our own)
Sorry for going into the eyes development too much If you are interested at all read my comments from bottom to top
bradkey98765 3 years ago
wtf evolution explains exactly how these insects became how they are today, basically to begin with there would be an insect some green some black.... the black ones are seen by predictors and the green ones live on DNA mutations may cause the insect to look more like a leaf.. those would live on to breed and this would happen many many times until they look how they do today,
You may say that is absurd but don't forget insects have been evolving for over 407 million years
bradkey98765 3 years ago
Also at the same time predators with the best eye sight would find food easily live long and have allot of offspring, so the evolution of the eye would help cause the evolution of insect camouflage (The eye at 400 million years ago would be evolving to have a better lens by the fluid in the eye becoming more dense, to begin with the eye would have been flat and would only detect light, then by dna mutation a lucky organism would have an eye that slightly domes inward giving a small sense of
bradkey98765 3 years ago
direction, this would happen many times as by chance DNA mutations cause a slightly more deep inward dome until light source could be pinpointed very sufficiently, then eye fluid becoming denser would be the next advantage as clear images could be formed as the fluid becomes more dense. This development of the eye also sped up the development of camouflage because only the insects that are not seen could survive, when the eye was in low development all they needed was color
bradkey98765 3 years ago
this god, or that god;
if one god, then all god,
are same god...
...belief or not.
The individual names are just metaphors for the same reality, yes?
cryptoprocta 3 years ago
i like it but why give a name to the creator? there is no proof of that
intemperate7 3 years ago
Jesus Christ
Not no Suicide lovin allah
icelez 3 years ago
Jesus Christ there is no other name in heaven which men can be saved
Suicide Lovin allah O.o Idiots
Suicide = Unforgivable Sin = Hell For Sure
icelez 3 years ago
Sobhan allah
mimoo11111 3 years ago
toasted brain
XAlejossX 3 years ago
"It is well-known that Darwin's theory of evolution claims that all living things are the work of chance"
That's nothing more than a bold lie. Please stop bearing false witness, evolution makes no such claim. The proposed mechanism works by natural selection, which is the exact opposite of chance.
It is as incorrect as saying: "according to the Bible, the only way into heaven is to reject Jesus".
Please, know what the theory actually says before rejecting it.
drdirs 3 years ago 4
No matter what the theory states, it is not based on truth! Speculation drive this theory and it take more faith do believe that over billions of years that this planet came to be the way it is in preasent day. Science continually proves itself wrong so why believe in something that will be outdated in a few years when you can beleive in a never changing, never failing God! Not Allah as it states in the video but God whos son is Jesus!
reubenqb12 3 years ago
No science is based on truth. It's based on observable reality, the closest thing we have to truth. But it's not THE TRUTH, nor should it be. Scientists are most humble in that regard. You could take a page from that book.
The theory is based on speculation which has then been turned into testable hypotheses which after successful testing and constriction of a rigid framework has become a scientific theory, every bit as valid as plate tectonics or heliocentricism.
drdirs 3 years ago 2
The beauty of science is that it doesn't require faith. If you doubt any specific part of a theory, you can test it for yourself, or research it in any number of ways.
Science doesn't prove itself wrong, it knows it's wrong to begin with. This is called instrumentalism - it's all about useful models for understanding nature, not the final truth about EVERYTHING. How infinitely arrogant of you to think YOU know what that truth is when even the most gifted scientists readily admit that they don't
drdirs 3 years ago
Why accept fact as fact when facts can be reinterpreted? Your "never changing" God has changed quite a bit over the years, you know. Every time science makes another advance, you have to reinterpret your Bible to make it fit. "Earth goes around the Sun? Throw that man in prison!" (centuries pass) "What, everyone accepts that thing about the Sun now? Well how lucky that this is exactly what the Bible says, if we just focus on this bit and ignore this other bit.."
drdirs 3 years ago
Your God changes constantly. Or do you still want to take credit for the Spanish Inquisition? Torturing innocent people is your thing, is it? Does cutting people's skin off make you feel holy? Death by slow disembowelment? WWJD?
Obviously you'd say that's not Christianity, but it WAS at one time. So get over this idea that your God is unchanging.
drdirs 3 years ago
And the reason we accept science, even though it always improves itself, that should be obvious: Science is really, really useful BECAUSE it improves itself.
I encourage you to sit down one day with the Bible, page through it and find the blueprints for a computer, or the cure for smallpox. The key words you want to look for are "cognitive" and "dissonance".
drdirs 3 years ago
Allah, God, Jehovah all are the same creator. It is the path you choose to follow that makes the difference as well as your actions in obeying righteous laws. Religions are created to hold masses of people to their demographic area, by race, ethnicity, language,culture, wealth including politics.
Freud could not cope the idea that a great entity, the creator made him, But God, Allah, and all the other names you would like to use it, is NATURE.. I love nature...
gyedownsouth 4 years ago
Incorrect claim in video:
"Darwinism states that all living things were created by chance."
Darwinism claims that chance is a part of the process by which all living things were created.
It's a shame you haven't evolved far enough to understand ideas like incremental change over time.
cr4k 4 years ago 12
YESH LETS GO WITH THAT
captincaveman89 3 years ago
incremental changes counting on chance mutations, im simply cannot beleive it as of yet, i
zenithar6666 1 year ago
This video was really great, until it got near the end talking about religion. My mother is Muslim, and I showed her this video. We simply came to the conclusion that religion might not have been the best mix of topic. It's result, the numerous arguments in the comment section. I rather just appreciate the creatures than to hear an influencing speech, religious or political.
sadhaven 4 years ago 4
Three exclamation points doesn't make it true. This video is intellectually lazy. If you believe the world is 6k years old, then sure this camouflage could only come about by a god.
I don't want to change your mind. All I want is that you honestly investigate yourself.
thErusteDbunnY 4 years ago
hey there. have commented on this strand a few times and find the answers and defensive attitude of muhaddithorg very immature. he's in his sixties but his reasoning seems like that of a 7 year old that desperately wants to still believe in santa. keep posting mate and keep thinking!!!
daltriani 4 years ago
you say that without seeing the programme. you are an apologist for your old fashioned belief system and jihad is your aim. be honest and stop acting as if you wish peace on earth. we saw how many muslims rejoiced when the twin towers went down. zealous, ill informed and brainwashed like many believers whatever the faith. look after your fellow humans and let your god look after himself, he's a big boy!
daltriani 4 years ago 2
i'm from england mate and we are at least trying to put our barbaric past behind us. we don't rejoice in murder and punishment. even in america it's behind closed doors and saved for serious murderers not unfaithful wives so get off your high horse. it's a pastime for people like you yet you pretend yours is a peaceful faith. bullsh*t!
daltriani 4 years ago
evolution by natural selection
TranceDevotee 4 years ago
omg lol u the most primitive type of believers^^
strongdwarvenale 4 years ago
I pity for Mahatma Gandhi and Mother Theresa then. They'll go to hell even if they have better moral than your prophet.
mephis 4 years ago
rational conviction? i suggest you watch the british tv programme'dispatches- the secret mosque' to get an inside look at how your faith is being utilised by angry militants in the name of allah.
daltriani 4 years ago
and beheadings?
daltriani 4 years ago
of course you mean only muslims will get to heaven? not the others who believe in their gods? what about the abrahamic god of the jews and christians, are you actually aware that it's the same one but with mohammeds interpretation from the same writings? crazy, silly superstitions given weight through time and mind control.
daltriani 4 years ago
mocking is not allowed but stoning for adultery is? that's as laughable as the iranian leader stating that there are no homosexuals in iran. Who would dare admit to it? that's control not truth. mocking is necessary to hold the mirror up to anti human faiths.
daltriani 4 years ago
muhaddithORG.
it seems to be you who is confused about what evirus has put plainly. if you were not raised a muslim you would not be 'compelled' to believe in allah or the Quran. it is exactly your upbringing and indoctrination that has supplied you with your belief not compulsion.
daltriani 4 years ago
are you saying that the greeks didn't believe in a creator? go back to school!
you are giving two choices 1 monotheism 2 atheism
there are more than that because of the amount of religions that preach that they alone hold the key to heaven, because of this they can't logically be lumped into one group, which is what your trying to do.
evirus 4 years ago
false diachotemy, your forgetting a third possability, both of us are wrong, it could have been the greeks that got it right, or some ancient group of hunter gatherers that died off before spreading their beliefs.
evirus 4 years ago
"there is no compulsion" so do you vow to not raise your children in the traditions of islam, as to not unfairly bias its' dicision towards the religion it has be taught by parents to believe?
evirus 4 years ago
your answers would be insufficent, telling us why a god would care about us dosn't make that god exist, "timmy the five horned unicorn with wings cares about you alot because he respects all life, does that mean he exists?"
evirus 4 years ago
we have the right to evaluate your beliefs on logical grounds, to shrug it off as us mocking you not only insults your own ability to reason but also degrades how intelligent and mature others may think your are.
evirus 4 years ago
my argument is not that deterrent dosn't work, its the validity of the deterrent, why should we invent, or rely on, concepts such as hell just to make people do good things when it has been varified in studies that you get similar resualts with a secular legal system. and when it comes to inforcing morals, whos morals, if we brought a man from the past through time to the present, some things he will note as a clue of societie's decline, and others of society's enlightenment.
evirus 4 years ago
the only way i would be interested in following any religion would be if i felt something missing from my life. the natural world is amazing and beautiful enough without the idea of invisible father figures. it is also disinterested in me you or anything but that doesn't mean life is worthless from a human viewpoint. i like living and i hope to do plenty more before my body finally quits through old age. (and no i'm not a hedonist but i don't want to live like a monk either).
daltriani 4 years ago
the question is how you justify the concept of hell as something other than a fear based deterance. it takes several bricks to build a house, much like it takes several good answers to make me believe in a god
and you whole "islam encurages rational though" grandstanding dosn't make islam the one true religion, just because it says good things dosn't mean the supernatural claims are true.
evirus 4 years ago
but they do fit in context. why would god really care if you faced mecca or not? it's a way to keep you fearful and thankful. you call it duty most would consider it conditioning. also mecca was a 'holy' place before mohammed and an agreement was struck between mohammeds followers and the old faith to keep the visitors coming. shocking eh?
reesestevebaralade 4 years ago
so eternal damnation as a concept is not an attempt to scare people into doing the right thing? if not than why would your god even bother creating such a "world"?
evirus 4 years ago
its a friggen example ok. and secondly chemical reactions arn't random, gravity's effects on matter also arn't random, so to assume it is random for sepcific things to happen like the hydrogen bonds of water, and than apply a probability estimate to it, is absurd.
evirus 4 years ago
sry, the last number was wrong!
it's 10^1259999920 times the number of atoms in the universe. yet this doesn't reall matter because every mathematician would aproximate this to be infinite!
amoose77 4 years ago
to reitterate my point more breifly:
probability is the measure of likelyhood of an event happening again, again being the key word.
and too suggest that its so improbable for a complex being to evolve, and require a god to have created it, you not only increase the complexity of god but tbe improbability of god. this is a clear violation of occam's razor, explanitions of the complex need to end in simplicity not exponentialy more complexity.
evirus 4 years ago 2
but the point you are forgetting is, that the result you get with your 10 dice has to make SENCE!!!! if you take just one of the possible DNAs how big do you think the chance is that it contains any useful information at all?
amoose77 4 years ago
DNA was the evolutionary resualt of RNA which is itself self replicating. so to assume that was the vary first type of genetic material is wrong.
evirus 4 years ago
muhaddithorg.
your comment proves the terrible blindness of your faith (and the others). 'proving allah will never happen' because you 'want to have something to blindly follow'. why the urge to feel like you owe somebody? that has been indoctrinated into you. how can that be free will. you see your imprisoned mind as a rebellious free one. quite scary to most humans. you should love your children above any invisible entity but your book says otherwise! that is weakness, not strength!
daltriani 4 years ago
i wouldn't say its so much as people trying to redefine what your god is but to show you how contradictory your statement is internally;
1 the universe REQUIRES a creator just like everything in it.
2 God created the universe
3 God dosn't require a creator
the only way you can give them some closure on what you think is to give evidence that says your god is in fact what you say he is, because otherwise your beliefs just echo of ad-hoc rationalization.
evirus 4 years ago
you were asking a question in that post? anyways, your arguement, or belief what ever, is that god dosn't need a cause but the universe does, or what ever made the universe(a quantum fluctuation for example) does. but im not so sure about that, would you define the quantum fluctuation as allah if it turns out to not need a cause?
evirus 4 years ago
ad-hoc rationalization combined with a hint of emotional appeal. first you say that god can't be proven because he dosn't want to be proven(yah nice way to skirt around the issue). than you go on about "testing the good punishing the evil" answer me this do you define allah as "all powerful" "all knowing" and "all good"?
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EmbracingTheTruth 4 years ago
yet the question how such a diversity of living things came to be is in fact a matter of believe, because the human brain is limited in its posibilities and we there for can't know / find out everything!
personally i think the mahtematical chance of a first living beeing to be created by coincidence is almost infinitely small and therefor there must be some higher power which we can't grasp.
amoose77 4 years ago
if that is what you think than you are misapplying probability. if you roll a set of six dice and record the resualts, work out the probability of rolling that number you will see that the probability is extremely small, the problem is that you just rolled it. probability is about things happening again, not once.
evirus 4 years ago
you're making the wrong example!!
the human DNA consists of about 3'000'000'000 pbs. 70% of the DNA of all living creatures is identical!! there are 4 differend bps.
-> the possibility that these 70% come to be is 1 out of 4^(3*10^9*0.7)=1/(4^2100000000)
amoose77 4 years ago
now:4^5 =1024 -> 4^2100000000 is about 10^1260000000 this is 10^2099999920 times the number of atoms in the universe! it's impossible to imagine such a big number!
amoose77 4 years ago
again like i said you are incorrect in you useage of probability. when you look at the probability for any event to happen, that has happened, it will always be massivly improbable because the amount of things that are required for it to happen, but it DID happen. this is why i gave you the dice example, roll 10 dice, record the resualts, whats the probability of you getting those resualts again? extremly small, but you just got those resualts.
evirus 4 years ago
... so therefore you can't infer that a god MUST be responsable for an event which seems improbable. improbability dosn't equal impossability. it is an arguement from incredulity, you can't understand something so its false by defualt. and the diversity has been explained and varified several times with mountains of evidences(sometimes litterally) by evolution.
evirus 4 years ago
every religion has its own name for god and its own description of how he created everything in the universe.
that therefor can't be use to proove one religion more true than another.
amoose77 4 years ago
OMG evirus at it again
ignore that nub, he is too far gone for us to help him, only allah can open his heart to the truth.
psf1busta 4 years ago
ah yes the ad homenem arguement, "ignore what that man is saying, he dosn't believe in god therefore everything he says is a lie." honestly i could say the same thing about you, "don't listen to psf1busta hes just some radical towel head thats living in the dark ages!"
evirus 4 years ago
2- (also in youtube. com/watch?v=bEPUn__hYso)
Notice how Dawkins attacks the person, Anthony Flew (because he is not an atheist any more!!!)
First Dawkins "subliminaly" directs us to his "old age"
Then he says that: he does not have the surviving powers that he once had as an intellectual...
Look at the choice of word "surviving", in order to reinfoce the issue of old age.
Yuch!!!
He is just atempting to brainwash his listeners AGAINST another person.
This is not scientific argument.
muhaddithORG 4 years ago
no practicing muslim, jew, hindu, christian or john frum worshipper should use 'brainwashing' as an argument about others who are trying to be honest and discuss facts. if dawkins said i had to face his house and pray 5 times a day then i'd think he'd lost the plot and was trying to brainwash me.
daltriani 4 years ago
1- To the gentleman who's reading Dawkins: Did you realize the stupidity and implications of his "multiverse"? (and of the universe that existed since "eternity", which Dawkins does not dare suggest)?
Dawkins CONCEDED the possibility that the laws of the universe are too finely tuned as to be an accident": youtube . com/watch?v=bEPUn__hYso
muhaddithORG 4 years ago
what's your argument? dawkins admits he doesn't know everything so there must be a god? believe what you will but your faith is regressive not progressive these days. if a muslim scientist could put real time and effort in i'm sure he could prove allahs existence once and for all with clear evidence not words from an old book.
daltriani 4 years ago
natural its just as the word describes it, natural, just trow something in the air all day and eventually something may last on the other side, thats natural!! nvm ill apreciate if you stop sending me pointless videos
moonanddarkness 4 years ago
Easy, the Holy Quran, which non-Muslims claim NOT to be from God, presents them a challenge:
CREATE A FLY.
It has been 1400 years and the clock is still ticking
We still don't hear any buzz...
We are still waiting...
As they say in scientific circles: "PUBLISH OR PERISH"
"PRODUCE" or accept defeat.
muhaddithORG 4 years ago
science isn't going to concern itself with every crack pot saying that the only way to disprove their world view is to create some specific life form! If you think that qualifies your beliefs i have a bridge in brooklyn i want to sell you!
evirus 4 years ago
i dont see where does the word tackles fit in, i just cant believe you are actually trying to say that the idea an inteligent being made the universe out of nothingness then controled the change of the animals just to reach a point into our evolution, then just trying to understan the fact of evolution and natural selection,
moonanddarkness 4 years ago
WTF HFD !!!1 there i cant believe you actually said that!!!! natural selection doesnt have a mind!!! well it doesnt have too!!! its like saying electricity doesnt have a mind!!! of course it doesnt!!!! its just a reaction animals evolved and theyr changes didnt work ....^^
moonanddarkness 4 years ago
AllahuAkbar!
redman19892003 4 years ago
This explains alote to people
mus132 4 years ago
'there is NO doubt that these conscious designs are the work of a creator' says the narrator. well i doubt it so that's one for a start. natural selection is a much more fulfilling and reasonable explanation for all that exists and has existed. god is a lazy answer to difficult questions.
daltriani 4 years ago
Ok but then I ask you the next logical question: where did evolution come from? Something doesn't come from nothing! If it were that simple, then why can't scientists create a seed from scratch, that then evolves into a flower and reproduces etc (for example) Simply put; there had to be a Creator, cause there is a creation.
XaeeD 4 years ago
And natural selection doesn't explain human brain size. Nature would favor small brains, cause small heads are easier to give birth to. In fact, in a pre-modern time many women died while giving birth, because of the large skulls of baby's. Again, random natural selected processes would favor smaller brainsizes in humans for the simple fact that the mother would risk death with a to large skull of the baby. Explain that please..
XaeeD 4 years ago
it really is simple. the babies born with bigger brains survived in competion with smaller brained relatives. not by choice but by natural selection. the mothers didn't consciously think about childbirth any more than a male praying mantis worries about getting eaten by it's mate. urges ensured offspring. animals without those urges have passed no genes onto us. evolution is ongoing
daltriani 4 years ago
No it's not that simple. You don't get the point. Natural selection would favor small brainsize, cause mothers risk death when giving birth to baby's with large skulls. Nature would 'choose' small brainsize just for that reason, cause like you said, it's all about the survival of the species. So why would risk extinction with big-brained-baby's when it would be more natural to produce small-brained-baby's?
XaeeD 4 years ago
The male can't suckle the baby and nature didn't think 'oh well they'll find another female that will suckle the infant' Get my point?
XaeeD 4 years ago
christ man.understand this..the mothers of your ancestors gave birth to the size of skull that they could manage. some died some didn't. the ones that didn't could pass on the characteristics that meant survival for bigger brained kids. NOT BY CHOICE but BY ADAPTING to circumstances and perhaps being more attracted to problem solvers than numbskulls.
daltriani 4 years ago
Read what scientists have to say about this, cause this point is a major problem with natural selected processes. If 1 in 5 mothers died while giving birth, nature wouldn't continue the process of enlarging brains. I'm not saying evolution is a myth, I believe Allah created the entire universe and life according to natural laws and stages. So believe what you want and let others believe what they want to believe. You say I can't proove there is a God, well you can't proove there isn't.
XaeeD 4 years ago
okay it must be true then, like zeus, thor, baal etc which one shall i choose cos i can't disprove any of them either.
daltriani 4 years ago
You go and read every book that claims that it came from God and since God created the entire universe, any book that seems to contradict science can't be from God, cause the Creator would know His creation right. That's why the Qur'an is so unique from other books. Here you have a book that's claiming to be from God and is making statements that refer to the creation nobody at the time of revelation could've possibly known.
XaeeD 4 years ago
because a book says it's from god it must be true? that is so strong an argument why not base a whole ideology and religion on it? wait a minute someone already did and it sucks. Why you say? because mohammed took the scriptures that make up the bible and taught people like jesus did but his teachings are abused and misinterpreted or are archaic in the extreme (women=cattle). plus a larger amount of people have different beliefs so need assimilating. an awful concept
daltriani 4 years ago
which scientists. i've read most of dawkins' books and am halfway through Darwins Origin of Species. no mention that nature would spot that one in five equation that you are using. look how many sperm get wasted every time you have sex, what a waste of tiny potential lives but there are still plenty of us about. islam, like all religions, can provide nothing that can't be provided by non believers too.
daltriani 4 years ago
Yeah whatever dude, like I said, if a book claims to be from the Creator, you should find proof for that in the book itself. Science came to know that the entire universe originated out of the BigBang and that all living things came from water. The one who 'wrote' the Qur'an 1400 years ago somehow knew this and many other scientifac facts, that only recently could be verified and somehow failed to make a single false statement..
XaeeD 4 years ago
If you can show me a book like that, perhaps a book from Zeus or Baal, with scientific statements, all of them agreeing with modern science, you would have a point, but the Qur'an is unique in that way. (women = cattle? lol Islam gave women and men equality. Perhaps you should also read some history books)
XaeeD 4 years ago
i've read plenty and believe me, i've understood early muslims to be open minded and progressive. they protected ancient greek parchments and learned from them. they passed these onto renaissance italy and also brought the zero into the west's numerical system doing away with roman numerals. so thanks, i know some stuff. doesn't mean your book is any truer than any other faith book.
daltriani 4 years ago
Oki we'll just leave it at that.. peace daltriniani
XaeeD 4 years ago
ok mate. peace to you and yours. keep thinking
daltriani 4 years ago
of course i've not read the koran, life's too short and too good for that. i have read the bibles claims to the creation though and the koran is based on the same scrolls so i'm guessing it has the same vague parables that can be made to fit in with what has been discovered for real since. if it said that allah created dna and used it populate the earth with variety through evolution, then i would consider it. post me some quotes from it that you say correspond with todays knowledge please.
daltriani 4 years ago
(6:133)Your Lord, the Rich and Merciful, if He wishes, can discard you and succeed you with whatever He wishes; Just like He created you from the seed of another clan. - The Quran specifically uses the word "Whatever" or "What" ("ma" in Arabic). This Arabic word "ma" cannot refer to humans; this word is strictly reserved for nonhumans (the Arabic word that does refer to humans is "men", meaning "who" or "whoever").
XaeeD 4 years ago
This verse says that if God wishes He can make our descendents Whatever He wishes (nonhuman), just like he created us from our ancestors.
XaeeD 4 years ago
(24:45) And Allah has created every animal from water; of them there are some that creep on their bellies; some that walk on two legs; and some that walk on four. Allah creates what He wills: for Allah has power over all things. - Quran says here that the entire animal kingdome came from water
XaeeD 4 years ago
that's a bit like the judeo christian claim that god made man from dust/clay so creationists say that proves the scribes knew that we are made from earthly materials. vague enough to fit what we now know is true.
daltriani 4 years ago
that means sweet FA mate. beowulf has a similar storyline. doesn't make it a truth worth following.
daltriani 4 years ago
logical must mean something different to the faithful! science, like life is not simply black and white. the answers to creation so far are incredibly complex (quantum theory) but that doesn't mean they are not valid. god as creator still poses the same question 'who created the creator?' please don't quote scripture!!
daltriani 4 years ago
Did I? Allah wasn't created. That's the concept of God right, He created and sustains all. Where did evolution evolve from? How could dead things produce life? Were there any natural selected processes that led to the BigBang? Lot of questions, that seem quite important. You look at the universe and the earth and conclude that there is no God, I do the same and come to the conclusion that there had to be a God. Don't go saying I'm being illogical just cause I came to a different conclusion
XaeeD 4 years ago
also evolution irrefutably shows how complex organisms evolve over time from simple ones. god however was ultimately complex and arrived like that? then created the universe? then created man as well as dung beetles and pubic lice? and has time to listen to all our prayers and answer them? show me the logic my good man!!!
daltriani 4 years ago
Your concept of God is wrong, simple as that. God isn't like anything He created. He created time, so how can He not have it to listen to prayers and answer them? You believe in the BigBang and that all living things evolved from water right.. the Qur'an confirms both in 1 sentence 1400 years ago. You can't explain how the BigBang came to be or how life evolved from nothing, the Qur'an gives the anwser: Allah did it...
XaeeD 4 years ago
not that old chestnut! if i'm wrong about your god then he's in the company of zeus, thor, baal, shiva and many many more. you happen to believe in allah. i simply cannot submit to an invisible entity who never shows up and only works in mysterious ways. it is quite simply a nonsense that exists because of mans fear of death and desire to be led and comforted. sorry
daltriani 4 years ago
It's quite simple: 1400 years ago a man claimed that he recieved revelation from the Creator of the universe. In the book revealed to him it says, that Creator caused the BigBang and created from water all living beings. Centuries later man comes to the same conclusion, but can't explain how something could evolve from nothing, while the book says 'the Creator did it' I understand that's a big leap of faith for you and I respect your opinions.
XaeeD 4 years ago
its argueing from ignorance to pin the answer as "god did it" just because you don't know any other answere. it is not science to explain something using an untestable unfalsifiable resualt. and finally the creation of life wasn't an act of evolution, because only living things evolve, the best evidence today points to live arrising as a resualt of simple chemical reactions.
evirus 4 years ago
God is a RESPONSIBLE answer to IRRESPONSIBLE people, who do not want to accept the possibility to consider that they may owe gratitude to a Creator
muhaddithORG 4 years ago
thats the weakest arguement for the existance of god i have ever heard muhaddithorg.
evirus 4 years ago
Yeah well you send me this vid to watch, but to me it's clear; evolution is a fact! The amazing camouflage that species possess doesn't proove your point. You're trying to say that this couldn't happen by chance and I agree, we differ in that you believe Allah put all these animals in their present form on earth, where I believe Allah created them through different stages (evolution) The Qur'an nowhere says anything that contradicts evolution.
XaeeD 4 years ago
If Allah created from water all living beings, then you have to explain how all these land-animals that are alive today could come out of the water, if not in a different form. Or were birds flying in the oceans? Offcourse not. Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala created the entire universe through natural laws and processes and the 'theory' of evolution does not affect Islam and its teachings in any way. I agree with it, but dissagree with people like themadhair who conclude that there is no God.
XaeeD 4 years ago
GREAT!!
rukiyefr 4 years ago
Why did you send me this video? You are giving me the impression that you ignorant of the subject of biological evolution and sending me videos like this in combination with not addressing anything I say amounts to a complete waste of time for both of us.
Natural selection doesn't have a mind, but why do think that prevents such camouflage evolving? Considering that is the claim being made it is piss poor that the claim is nowhere addressed here.
themadhair 4 years ago
So how does camouflage evolve? Simple really. Because of mutations you end up with variation in a population -- and natural selection with select those better camouflaged while not selecting those that are worse camouflaged. This happens because of the slight statistical survival advantage such improved camouflage gives against predators. The result of this process over many generations is a gradual steady improvement in camouflage. It is logically inevitable.
themadhair 4 years ago
But apparently this type of reasoning seems to be beyond you -- whether by deliberate choice and/or lack of intelligence is always difficult to say.
Even programmers have cottoned on to the power of natural selection as an improvement mechanism. Utilising the central tenets of such they computed better orbits for communications satellites (technology . newscientist . com/article/dn1437).
But hey, this work must be false if natural selection has no mind right?
/sarcasm
themadhair 4 years ago
This whole notion of God is really just another way to justify evil and ignorance. If we don't know how something works, then it must be supernatural and God doesn't want us to know... QUIT LOOKING! If we see something that we don't like, or goes against what most people think is normal, then it's evil and God wants us to destroy it. We'll never grow up until we learn to look at these remarkable creatures and ask "how" without jumping to the invisible man conclusion.
mcan2333 4 years ago
Lets see what "Original" scriptures of Famous religions have to say over this !
honeywords 4 years ago
What has chance got to do with evolution? Please, google these words; Natural Selection
Anarkokommunist 4 years ago
please google this in your brain
"consciousness"
lol
HighFlyingDutchman 4 years ago
paul bottom lay
your reply dosnt seem to be addressed at any one
i reply on the chance , that your reply being unanswered , may appear to suggest i believe evolution [micro evolution within a species ;yes ,macro ;into other species [no]
and worse presume it by chance ,chance has nothing to do with micro evolution ,every thing to do with other principles held by darwin[and mendel]
1oneundergod1 4 years ago
I'll admit that post below wasn't terribly polite, and for that I apologise - I must have been tired. And angry.
I took umbrage when the video said that diversity is the work of chance. Random mutation could be seen as chance, I suppose, but that is only half of the evolution picture. Natural selection, though, is the opposite of chance, and I wish that just one creationist would see that. Just one!
paulbottomley42 4 years ago
1oneundergod1 4 years ago
;=)
thanx for your kind help,but natural selection doesn't have mind,i repeat,why don't you watch the other video on my main page,about wise,chance or inspiration.
or read a detailed book about bees.
or start thinking "deeply" logically,
or go on helping us.
or do what u want.. :P
peace.
HighFlyingDutchman 4 years ago
Chance? CHANCE?! Oh, what the hell, I can't even be bothered. If you think evolution occurs by chance, read a fucking book. Well, first learn to read. Then read a fucking book.
paulbottomley42 4 years ago
of course u will get angry,delusional brain-washed humanbeing!
ur only chance to "create" something by "evil-lotion" is using stupid mutations,which can be called "chance" as well.then already i pointed natural selection doesn't have mind.
go on satisfying yourself,u r close to learn the sooths.
lol.
HighFlyingDutchman 4 years ago