Is Muslim integration in Europe possible? ( 2 of 2 )

[barwariable]

Tarik Rammadan is TOOO smart for this little girl, he must speak street language to her ..... Islam = Peace , think about it.... After Every action there is a Reaction... If some guy wants to hurt you, then you will fight back! Stop fighting the moslims in EU we are now part of EU accept this and let us be, I'm very sure after this we will live in HARMONY

[MrFreezeframe666]

I have no confidence in Rammadan. I as an non-believer do not question Maajid Awez or Ed Hussien in that way. I feel they a genuine in their intentions. Tariq gives me an uneasy feeling.

[VenusCapricorn]

ayaan's last bit of speech - she just had to get it in. "Forced marriages" .....Like that was the whole crux of the matter.

No, pathetic ayaan, no. In this vast world of Muslims, "forced marriages" is a tiny % and fast becoming an invention on YOUR part.

In a cynical tone - "Good looking Muslim men saying that Islam is peace and love".... Why are we even commenting on looks? What exactly was the point?

Good job creating bigotry against Muslims - especially the good looking ones.

[akaoshi1]

she dont even know what she is talking about. and i am not intrastate to hear her history in the pass. most of the thing she said about muslim is not true thats all i can say

[mjale1]

He is right She just wants to please her audience, she is even opposing muslim reformist, so if we gonna follow her in the end she wants us to do genocide against entire muslims, staring from europe.

[lornelz]

Tariq seems to not want to answer anthing directly. He wants to be all things to all people. Either Islam allows seperation of state and religion or it does not. Either Sharia Law is compatible with an open society and freedom of choice or is not.

[ByChoiceMuslim]

Tariq Ramadan is too good for this

[ThinkkAboutit]

LOL They cant follow what Tariq is saying because his level of linguistic ability is too high for them.

[andreaandrewmilne]

@ThinkkAboutit I don't think so. 1:20-2:00 Smarty-pants Tariq thinks you can avoid patent contradictions by saying, oh no, these statements that look contradictory, they actually belong to different "planes of discourse". Whereas Ayaan knows that this sort of drivel goes down well in an Oxford common room, but cuts no ice in the real world. How many times has some smug male clericalist lectured a woman by saying her common sense is too simplistic for his "higher wisdom". Kiss my arse, Tariq!

[MrSmibby]

Is European integration in Arabia possible? The truth is, the Jewish elite want to genocide the west with mass immigration, and they seem to be doing very well while we sleep. Time to wake up.

[mdinka]

she really nailed him with the consistency-debate

[siaisjack]

he talks a lot and says noting

[EdugeBDroN]

That woman is not a reference and quite frankly is not qualified to debate Mr Ramadan.

She just found good ear and make a leaving complaining about what her family did to her , not islam but her family

[yakov321]

@EdugeBDroN - not true. Ayaan Hirsi Ali has an extensive knowledge of the koran, hadiths, and Sharia Law. She is a supporter of Human rights, which Islam doesn't understand, because Islam is a totalitarian political Ideology, where the Religion and the State are one in the same. French Law, should not allow Sharia, and should not allow a "Theocracy" - Freedom must prevail for Humanitarians, who want to live in peace. Muslims can leave, and move to an Islamic State to practice their barbaric ways

[koora8]

@yakov321 Ayaan was kicked of the first european country she lived in bcoz they discovered she was lieing to the immigration authourity , she claimed her family was abusing here and that she lived in somalia , the fact is they discovered that her family still in contact with her and she didnt came from somalia .

u just love her bcoz she says what u want to hear.

BTW , sharia is not meant to the non muslim countries , this whole debate is ridicules in the same time sharia isnt wat u are saying.

[EdugeBDroN]

@koora8 indeed and now she is making a leiving on the back of some right wing american think tank , she must be cracking up how easy it was so far ......hate of islam is a market and she manage totake advantage of it ......i feel sorry for her one cannot have had some relationship with the almighty in their heart and speak in such a way ,and if she didnt she is used to live a life of fraud

[koora8]

@EdugeBDroN lool yea did u see when that guy Spencer or watever invited her lol

just check LoonwatchDOTcom ,

when i need some money ill go to the US and say im an ex muslim , it seems easy way to make money.

[libanboom]

@koora8 its true, look all the Muslim who were non Muslim(Christine) like hamza yusuf, he did say that fake should be put to death no he left it came to Islam and talked about the religion of Islam , not how Christianity is bad for you

[EdugeBDroN]

@yakov321 LEt me clarify.....We are not going anywhere .You are so afraid you are blind I am in the US by choice I am comfortable with the politic system .The french System however under the slogan of Cradle of Human right" is quasi totalitarian ,you dont have freedom of religion you have no right to any religion especially Islam for the sole reason that is the time of the days . France now is like France in 1934 .Petain was not alone ,if they openned death camps for muslims ,

[alexei3333]

inposeble

[Bobbo110]

What Prof. Ramadan doesn't seem to realize is that people have three different ways muslims can deal with the French veil ban, not just two. They can a: Wear a veil and not go to school, B. Wear a veil but go to school anyway or C. Take off the veil, go to school, come home and then put it back on. They don't suddenly stop "being muslims" because they have to walk around without a veil for a few hours. (BTW out of curiousity... where does it say in the Koran that women have to wear veils?)

[spicykimchi2009]

@Bobbo110

It is said in the surah 33:59

[nimbunimbu]

@Bobbo110 if you read that one verse, you may notice that the arabic word for hijab, burka, etc. is NEVER mentioned-not ONCE in the quran so there is variation in the way muslims interpret it. it's mostly a cultural adaptation, as scarves were common in PRE-Islamic arabia (protection from harsh sunlight and sandstorms). what IS clear, however, is modesty of BOTH sexes, and of course, this isn't limited to head covering. this is a fundamental misreading that fuels much anti-islamic diatribe.

[yakov321]

@Bobbo110- there is no modesty for a woman wearing a burka... in fact, it is the opposite effect. It brings unecessary attention to the women... making them mysterious - and reduces them to "Less than Human" which makes them animals, and then "men" feel they have a right to rape.... beat... etc. Men, as in "relatives" in the Muslim family - it is barbaric.a cloake of death. black. nothingness..... it needs to be outlawed in every western country. period.

[koora8]

@yakov321 where in islam women ordered to wear burka ?

its the afghani women cloth , and just bcoz u want to invade afghanistan u made it a big deal to stir up the hate and make people ready to the war .

by the way , why u didnt bitch about the israeli rabbis who are clrearly saying everyday non jews are animals and just born to serve jews and women shouldnt vote ??

[yakov321]

@Bobbo110 - The Koran only refers to Modesty and what should be covered. Ironically, the Burka actually brings more sexual attention to women in Muslim countries, then women dressed in Jeans and a low cut top in Western Countries.

either way, it makes women "Less than Human" - just the way Islam likes it.

[EdugeBDroN]

@yakov321 who said islam had anything to do with taliban, if you think Jesus had anything to do with inquisition and the torture it displayed then you are just a sponge to propaganda

[januk36]

Ramadan is the friendly face of muslim brotherhood trying to undermine western institutions.

[phsr0001]

@januk36 hahaha very good argument. you are cool.

[61111982]

pierre lellouche agent du MOSSAD

[Realiteit01]

Kick them all out, Europe for Europeans only.

[ghostmanno12]

@Realiteit01 what about European Muslims?

[dodamoaz]

Throughout the history of life there has been killings in the name of religion. Its wrong!!!! Its terrible. But people should understand that the act of some people is not the main standard for all!!!! PEACE TO EVERYBODY!!!

[dodamoaz]

She clearly not like to really hear what Mr. Tariq Ramadan explains, unfortunately!!!

She just say what is too easy that Islam is not good, because of terrorism. Alhamdulillah I experience that Islam is a religion of peace. And insha'Allah more people will see this.

[dodamoaz]

I have become muslim without force. I wear hijab (headscarf) by free choice. Sure there are women being supressed in all religions, cultures, even in the Western world. that is not specifically just among muslims. What Hirshi Ali have done in my country is causing more confusion based on her own personal experiences and frustrations.

[MrBLAKK88]

FUCK EUROPE BURN DAT SHIT

[DariusCeg]

If you don't like it, Go back! Hommie !!!

[supertoaster7]

Fuck europe ? fine if europe is "shit" then ur people should fucking leave europe

[hawzed]

They do not want integration - the goal is conquest - history shows it .

[koora8]

@hawzed history shows that the west occuping the muslim countries for centuries .

[TheAraber93]

@hawzed The crusade's, the Roman empire, the Persian empire, the Mongolian empire, oh and let's not forget the American empire. And you still think that history shows that Muslims wants conquest. Maybe you should read a bit more history.

[MsFay8]

It's my personal point ofview, i think Ayaan had difficult chilshood, maybe she is kind, not aggressive, but as she participated in the debate, at least she could read more.

[naybobdenod]

well well, this guy thinks he`s an interlect does he,well my friend,let me tell you this.I can see right throught your veil of deception.All you are trying to do is integrate your rediculous beliefs on this western society.Just fuck off to where you can fast all day and pray all night,leave us alone to get on with our western way of life.We like what we are,probably because we fought long and hard for our freedoms.I`ll be pleased when the oil runs dry.its the only reason you are tolerated :)

[Billy0110]

this ayaan hirsli is so stupid. she only can laugh.

thats a sign of lack of arguments....

she is not interested in debate...

she only wants to insult....

[Egu022]

How is she wrong? Please point to the inconsistency in her line of arguments.

[dodamoaz]

@Billy0110 EXACTLY!!!!

[RifleOfAllah]

Wow it really shocks me to see such a kafir to say that we muslims can integrate into europe.

Where the fuck did he get his islamic education, from a corner shop I guess. No but it's nonesense, integration into europe means you need to amend your religious teachings, which is fine if your a kafir but otherwise is extremely sinful to do.

[londonladdy]

YOU ARE A JEW

[lieberat]

Well true, the funny thing is, the discrimination is already in the Title.

Europeans see this rights reserved for them.

[TheTollundWoman]

Assimilation up to this point in time has always required people to surrender part of their identity- their cultural practices, their language or even their ideals. This has unfortunately happened to every immigrant group in the UK and the US.

Assimilation is a demand frequently made of immigrants, and it is often an unreasonable demand.

[TheTollundWoman]

Because of massive immigration from the third world to the first world- from Mexico to America, and from the middle east to the UK, the "free world" will soon have to relax its requirements of "assimilation." When it finally does this, the right wing will react violently, stirring up fears that "our culture" is disappearing.

The only way to preserve both "western" culture and the cultures of immigrants will be to address the root cause of immigration- global inequality.

[srhtt]

sura 60 ayet 6 (and many others) regulates those things between muslims and non-muslims(in this case christians) and i would take it as integration. integration between muslims and non-muslims has actually been in ottoman empire age according to ottoman archives. regards

[dodamoaz]

@RifleOfAllah Its wrong what u say. I am sorry. But sure we can integrate, cuz whats between Allah and u have nothing to d where u live. to integrate does not mean u should forget urself and where u are from and what ur faith is. it means to be urself and respect eachother. There is nowhere written u can not respect eachother.

[johren86]

This was great. I have had doubts if Muslims could integrate in Europe without getting in to conflict with our democracy.

To hear a Muslim talk so sensible about his faith really gives me hope.

I can only hope that other European Muslims will listen to him.

BTW was this in Sweden?

[celticrebel2]

You cant be serious ! Get it into your head - islam means 'submission'. It is incompatable with the Western concepts of tolerance and liberalism which underscore democratic systems. There are no real muslim democracies. Islam is the ultimate form of imperialism the world has ever known and Europeans are too stupid to realise this. Instead they cower behind false hope and left-wing ideologies such as 'multiculturalism'. The 21st century will witness Europe's suicide.

[dodamoaz]

@celticrebel2 islam means submission but submission to Allah dont mean we are not normal humans. We just have to live with eachother and respect eachother. if there is no mutual respect, than it all fails.

[yakov321]

@celticrebel2- You can submit to Allah, Sharia law, or whatever the fuck you want - but don't try to tell me that Islam is a European religion, and that the societies of Islam, i.e., Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Iran, are "Equal" to Western European culture, because they are not. you keep Islam in your house with your koran or in the Mosque. Do not bring your Political Islam to my Free Country. We don't want it.

[EdugeBDroN]

@yakov321 So you think God has a zip code , how you are gonna limit a creator in his creation , you are so limited you cant even see that you contradict yourself

[csacta]

Celtic - can you please explain what you mean by mutliculturalism? Kindly define this. I'd appreciate your input. Thanks.

[yakov321]

@csacta - Multiculturalism is when you lie about inferior cultures, and say, for example: Iranian culture gives women just as many rights, socially and legally as in the United States. Or........Multiculturalism combined with Political correctness, is when you say....."Our founding Fathers were freedom fighters just Like Hamas and Hezbolah" - (and all the stupid Americans believe the bullshit, because they are afraid of being called racists. even though all of the words are Saudi funded lies

[benjiemooncakes]

lmao Ayaan got PWNED.

Tariq Ramadan is the best.

[Egu022]

How did she get owned? Please exemplify.

[jislboy]

A lion against one thousand cats. Ayaan Hersi left Islam, so why is she saying "we muslims".

[Fazeefaz]

the african lady is acting like a dam child not taking other individual seriously. and how can some one listen to such a person who isnt ready to come to common terms to solve or understand problem or da issue

[Socialboy08]

Fazeefaz, she is utterly and trully illiterate, any one wants to know the truth doesn't go further but just in youtube, you fin out the truth about this true liar (Ayan Hersi or Ayan Magan or what)from her own family in this case her mother and brother, the documentaries were made after her lies were exposed, she has no credibility at all, she is not even worth to debate with a conducter let alone a professor.

[mounir1426]

These two are so not at the same knowledge and intellectual level it's not even funny. I would imagine it would be less excruciating watching Einstein explaining relativity to a 5th grader. I really admire Tariq Ramadan's patience through the exercise.

[proprog5000]

I am a muslim(sunni) & I'm religious & I my self say there is trouble with many many many many of my brothers in youtube & in the real world I lots of muslims are extremist even in youtube I heard from lots of my christian & atheist friends that they got threatened from muslims!!! is this islam noooo common muslims do not make others hate islam be a good example.

[imadhurata]

haven't u read the sira?

[activemuslim]

its funny thing to have a debate between an educated Professor and a fake opportunist.

I wonder why Tariq Ramadan agreed to debate her !!

[LadyBlackReign]

Hmmm, Ayaan is a fake opportunist just because she choose to tell her point of view and what she knows to be true? Tariq is only giving his point of view and what he knows to be true, so is he also not a fake opportunist?

[imadhurata]

opportunist, maybe, but not fake.

[activemuslim]

who are you to talk in the name of islam. you are not a muslim. so you dont have any right to talk in the name of Islam. and you have no right to act like a scholar of our age.

if you want talk about Islam, you may insult it, tell ppl islam is a bad religion and satanism is good. no problem in that.

but stop talking in our name...

[activemuslim]

its funny thing to have a debate between an educated Professor and a fake opportunist.

I wonder why Tariq Ramadan agreed to debate her !!

[Socialboy08]

The world needs like Tariq (securalist) to challenge those been brain washed by sick media, simply these people believe what they read (so not their blame) but some one like Tariq needs to educate them- well done Tariq and show us all the light.

[LKHK76]

@Socialboy08 The problem and danger of a hypocrite like Ramadan is that he tells one thing to fool the naive infidels and a completely different story to fellow musulmans when no one else is listening

[nimbunimbu]

@LKHK76 wow. like what? any links to prove that? recordings? books? anything at all?

[Socialboy08]

Not again this bitch, lies and lies and lies, that is why she been kicked out of Netherlands, she is simply psychopath who is filled with hatred.

[LadyBlackReign]

Do you feel better now that you've slandered Ayaan's name? How is she lying when what she speaks about is what she's lived, experienced and witnessed first hand? Seems you're feeling threatened by what she has to say.

[traitor323]

ok now im completely sure u havent watched the documentary. 4 part series. want me to link u?

[imadhurata]

link me up.

[traitor323]

tariq ramadan..is a secularist... =(

and i cannot understand y some one would debate ayan hirsi magan after the liar she has been proven to be. European Islam

[LadyBlackReign]

Time and time again Ayaan has admitted to lying about her status so that she could obtain asylum in the Netherlands. She clearly details this in her memior, Infidel. Good reading if you haven't read it already.

[traitor323]

correct me if i am wrong. she did it after she was exposed by the documentary. doesnt change the fact shes a liar. And u kno even though i dislike ppl like tariq ramadan who wants to edit my religion to appease ppls desire, i dont think even he should debate with such a ignorant/ deceiver about islam. her points r so ridiculous even i could refute her with no notes. peace