When you run your hose into your throttle body, you should have a vinyl hose inside cut at a 45 degree angle for a better vacuum. i think it s called the Ventury effect???
My electrician mentioned about using lye and the need for having white vinegar in the bubbler to neutralize the lye in the hho gas before it enters into the engine. He says it can eat up the aluminum??
Also says that need to regulate it as not to lean out the fuel into the engine as it will get hot?
Your electrician is absolutely right. On our website we have an installation diagram that states this when referring to the bubbler. Someone I know destroyed the turbo on his big rig diesel this way. Dual bubblers are ideal. He is also correct about the fuel lean mixture. Leaning the fuel on the engine can lead to burned holes in the pistons. More reason why more research is necessary in this field.
Hey! i have a wet cell and i know how tat works for the most part. but a dry cell i dont get thou. a dry cell has water tubes running in between the cell plates and it uses EMF's (electro magnetic fields) put off by the plates to separate the water into HHO gas right?
The plates are seperated by gaskets which allow a gap between the metal electrodes. This allows the electrolyte to occupy the gap. As electrical current flows between the plates through the electrolyte it seperates the H2O into H H O. Much like a wet cell, only the outer edges are sealed shut. This keeps the electrolyte INSIDE the cell, instead of all around the cell.
Hey steve! after reading your blog about changing to a dry cell on your website....i'm going to take on that challenge of building one instead of a wet cell. but what kind gauge of stainless steel did you use?and where did you aquire the gaskets for the cell? great research on all of the saftey equiptment you have put together by the way :)
There are several ways to manufacture a dry cell. We first acquired the steel, rubber and plastic(for outer plates) from mcmaster (.) com We originally cut everything by hand. now we have everything made. You can use anywhere from 1/16 to 1/8 rubber, and 24-20 gauge 304L or 316L stainless steel(316L is better) If you don't want to cut out gaskets, then you can use large o-rings found at mcmaster between the plates.
Email us at contact @ hhoglabs (.) com with questions!
I have seen people turning the ignition on and the cell starts producing. That could be dangerous if you don´t turn on the engine on right after. Correct me if Im wrong, but I haven´t seen a self controlled PWM yet on the net. Does it make sense to control a PWM using the throttle body sensor value? All I have seen are PWMs with a potentiometer, so you need to ajust it manually.
So when you talk about eliminating manual ajustments, you mean creating an "automatically managed PWM" alike?
Generally there is no immediate danger, because the output is located on the air intake of the throttle body. If you suffer a flashback, it will simply go out the other end of the air intake. Of course a flashback must be controlled at the water/gas seperator. Hence the reason for the EPD attached.
Yes...this circuit finds the resonant frequency of the cell it is attached to, and applies an oscillation based on that. It has a lot to do with the individual cell's capacitance.
Thanks for the video. That's an awesome job. Seems very promissing! What do you think is the voltage between the plates? 15 waterways = around 1v each? Did you align the plates magnetically? 316L is expensive man! but of course it's the best one.
That's a great job. I can't wait for your test results.
True, the 316L is more expensive, but with the thinner .024 it isn't all that bad.
You know, I didn't test the voltage between the plates...slipped by me...haha. Anyway, it's the amperage that's important to us. I don't have all the data, yet, but we'll post a video when we have it.
We didn't worry about aligning the plates magnetically...in fact, we didn't even test for magnetism!
After these first tests you should get one of those PWMs ZeroFossilFuel is assembling, and run the tests again!
Im really excited about the work you all guys are doing. Im not a techie, Im a very, very curious guy who reads a lot and watches a lot of videos, and Im planning to build a cell myself, using the experience from you great guys. I will spread the word here in Brazil man. You can count on that. Peace.
When you run your hose into your throttle body, you should have a vinyl hose inside cut at a 45 degree angle for a better vacuum. i think it s called the Ventury effect???
HondaRiderCBR954RR 2 years ago
My electrician mentioned about using lye and the need for having white vinegar in the bubbler to neutralize the lye in the hho gas before it enters into the engine. He says it can eat up the aluminum??
Also says that need to regulate it as not to lean out the fuel into the engine as it will get hot?
partwerks 2 years ago
Your electrician is absolutely right. On our website we have an installation diagram that states this when referring to the bubbler. Someone I know destroyed the turbo on his big rig diesel this way. Dual bubblers are ideal. He is also correct about the fuel lean mixture. Leaning the fuel on the engine can lead to burned holes in the pistons. More reason why more research is necessary in this field.
Thanks for the comment!
Steve
InstallGuys 2 years ago
Hey! i have a wet cell and i know how tat works for the most part. but a dry cell i dont get thou. a dry cell has water tubes running in between the cell plates and it uses EMF's (electro magnetic fields) put off by the plates to separate the water into HHO gas right?
lgnkotr 3 years ago
Sort of.
The plates are seperated by gaskets which allow a gap between the metal electrodes. This allows the electrolyte to occupy the gap. As electrical current flows between the plates through the electrolyte it seperates the H2O into H H O. Much like a wet cell, only the outer edges are sealed shut. This keeps the electrolyte INSIDE the cell, instead of all around the cell.
See our website for an photo.
I hope this helps!
Steve
InstallGuys 3 years ago
Hey steve! after reading your blog about changing to a dry cell on your website....i'm going to take on that challenge of building one instead of a wet cell. but what kind gauge of stainless steel did you use?and where did you aquire the gaskets for the cell? great research on all of the saftey equiptment you have put together by the way :)
lgnkotr 3 years ago
There are several ways to manufacture a dry cell. We first acquired the steel, rubber and plastic(for outer plates) from mcmaster (.) com We originally cut everything by hand. now we have everything made. You can use anywhere from 1/16 to 1/8 rubber, and 24-20 gauge 304L or 316L stainless steel(316L is better) If you don't want to cut out gaskets, then you can use large o-rings found at mcmaster between the plates.
Email us at contact @ hhoglabs (.) com with questions!
Steve
InstallGuys 3 years ago
We aren't convinced that PWM is the answer.
We are currently working with engineers on our own circuit. It will be a self-resonant circuit that won't require manual adjustments.
It is the HHOG II SMRC or "Smerk"
We are excited about it.
Thanks for commenting! Spread the word! HAHA
Steve
InstallGuys 3 years ago
I have seen people turning the ignition on and the cell starts producing. That could be dangerous if you don´t turn on the engine on right after. Correct me if Im wrong, but I haven´t seen a self controlled PWM yet on the net. Does it make sense to control a PWM using the throttle body sensor value? All I have seen are PWMs with a potentiometer, so you need to ajust it manually.
So when you talk about eliminating manual ajustments, you mean creating an "automatically managed PWM" alike?
starkarcadia 3 years ago
Generally there is no immediate danger, because the output is located on the air intake of the throttle body. If you suffer a flashback, it will simply go out the other end of the air intake. Of course a flashback must be controlled at the water/gas seperator. Hence the reason for the EPD attached.
Yes...this circuit finds the resonant frequency of the cell it is attached to, and applies an oscillation based on that. It has a lot to do with the individual cell's capacitance.
Steve
InstallGuys 3 years ago
Thanks for the video. That's an awesome job. Seems very promissing! What do you think is the voltage between the plates? 15 waterways = around 1v each? Did you align the plates magnetically? 316L is expensive man! but of course it's the best one.
That's a great job. I can't wait for your test results.
starkarcadia 3 years ago
True, the 316L is more expensive, but with the thinner .024 it isn't all that bad.
You know, I didn't test the voltage between the plates...slipped by me...haha. Anyway, it's the amperage that's important to us. I don't have all the data, yet, but we'll post a video when we have it.
We didn't worry about aligning the plates magnetically...in fact, we didn't even test for magnetism!
Thanks for the comment.
Steve
InstallGuys 3 years ago
After these first tests you should get one of those PWMs ZeroFossilFuel is assembling, and run the tests again!
Im really excited about the work you all guys are doing. Im not a techie, Im a very, very curious guy who reads a lot and watches a lot of videos, and Im planning to build a cell myself, using the experience from you great guys. I will spread the word here in Brazil man. You can count on that. Peace.
starkarcadia 3 years ago
Great job! It looks pretty good, can't wait for more info.
PS
as hhouk has stated your website is not working
4HITMAN7 3 years ago
I'm sorry about the website problem, our hosting service told us they are performing a security update.
InstallGuys 3 years ago
Bravo! It wasn't all that long ago that people were boasting of getting 3MMW. keep up the good work.
DMC
UrnDMC 3 years ago
your page is down, from the uk anyway...
how many neutral plates are you running?
great job!
hhouk 3 years ago
I'm sorry about the website problem, our hosting service told us they are performing a security update.
Should be up, again, soon.
I guess 99% uptime means just that...hahah...we must be seeing that other 1%.
Steve
InstallGuys 3 years ago
4 Neutrals, 4 Electrodes +NNNN-NNNN+NNNN-
+ terminal at e-lite input side
thanks for the comment
steve
InstallGuys 3 years ago
Nice job Steve looks good let us know what your test results are.
Bonze
Jcarr62 3 years ago
You bet!
InstallGuys 3 years ago