I wouldn't go for the eurofighter if we were to go for a jet.Its too expensive.Maybe a small jet will do like the BAE Hawk or maybe the Alpha-Jet. We don't necessarily need a fancy air-to-air jet. We aren't invading a country anyway.Nice vid.
am irish/english and have to say that britan have better pilots and jets and that they have the best enginers in europe sorry lads but the irish air core is still fucking class
@HASO101 Erm, the Pilatus trainers/GAP are current day models. For a prop-plane, it certainly isn't shitty (and due to a lower max speed, it's even somewhat better for the ground attack role than a jet would be. I do agree, though, that a few smaller and cheaper jet fighters (newer versions of the Northrop F-5 ?) would be an improvement for the Air Corps. It's not like Ireland never had any jets in its air forces : During the Cold War, you had some pretty good (mostly British) models in service.
@ZemplinTemplar We had no british models during the war we only had the fouga majesta which wasn't amazing which we got second hand from the french air display team
@HASO101 actully we got turbo props which r very good nd r basically a jet engine with a propellar on the front the turbo prop was designed after the jet engine
it would be nice to see the air corps with a few jets such as the BAE Hawk or L-39. but the pc-9s are still excellent trainers, well done to our air corps ,
Are those 2.75 inch rockets CRV7's? and the whole air force seems like a waste of money, but it doesn't have to be a waste, take the The Navy for example, they actually do something, Couldn't the Air Force assist the Navy with intercepting those trespassing into Irish waters? and begin to pay their way? Beannacht
C'MON, get some Typhoons, RAF Typhoons have in exercises destroyed Russian built Su-30's, MiG-29's and American built AV-8's, F-15's and F-18's, the yanks dont like admitting it though but either way, i wouldn't like to be picking out 12.7mm rounds and 2.75 rockets out of my arse
@MRWALKER500000 Don't you think having Eurofighters as our first actual fighter jet would be stepping off the deep end a bit? Those things do cost about 70m a pop, plus maintenance costs. I say we get some Mirage 2000s and F1s, or MiG 29 or Su-27s. The Russians are selling those for no more than 20m USD last time I checked.
@SuperJimmyT That is very true, Look at the Russian Su-27's. Old soviets fighters like the SU-15 are just left there on a grass runaway and once every so often an engine check is preformed and i think they are flown once a year
do u know whats funny the pc9s max speed is 368mph but the american World War 2 fighter P-51s max speed is 437mph so the americans were ahead of us know back then for a developed country we need a fast well equipped fighter
@XxBIAxXEmpire no we dont :( i do wish we had eurofighters though. we only have 27 aircrafts and 8 small warships. but we have a great army i hope they put some money a side to buy some new suff.
@emmetgb we should trie to buy hms ark royal and her aircraft from britian it was retired recently and make the air corps and the navy look a whole lot better
@JackGallo71 well i feel ireland is doing a fine job on there on. 11m is cheap for a warship but, i dont think irish men/women would want to do there job on a british ww2 ship.
@emmetgb its not from ww2 a ship in world war 2 had the same name the one they just retired was built 25 years ago and it we bought shipps from the british b4
I'm a bit ashamed of The Irish Navy because after the Civil War they bought a British Gun boat that was used to shell those fighting in the Easter Rising, sad but true.
@JackGallo71 Well considering how we are BANKRUPT right now, I don't see the government spending cash on an aircraft carrier. Besides that, do you know how outdated Ark Royal is? It can only launch Harrier's and helicopters.
Song choice cracked me up; 'here come the boys from the South' indeed.
This debate has been done to death on other fora, but increasing our spending on the military would be absolute lunacy. The only signifigant threat to Ireland is from internal non-state entities. This is not the sort of thing that can be combatted with tools intended for conventional warfare. Furthermore, we don't have and indigenous defence industry, so we'd just be sending more cash overseas.
Haha Norway are one of the most agressive neutral countries I've ever seen then. Were they not one of the US's strongest supporters after 9/11 The "War on Terror" no?
Norway have always placed an emphasis on their military, sure they fought in both world wars.
i agree im english and the irish budget is stupidly low and dont see any sectors of your country even growing hopefully it will change but the test will come when you go to war, hopefully wont happen but war allways happens falklands cold and far away from britain
best aircraft ever we are even making another one better than it best fighter jet ever
the conservatives are in power now (fine gael) so they will want a strong army i would think .maybe this might be the first government that cares about our military because it simply isnt given enough credit or importance from the population and countless governments have simply never invested enough money into the military, just look at the defence budget . i always believe a country needs a strong army to defend itself otherwise you will be easily overrun and wiped out ,ireland or not .
Historically the real military accomplishments of Ireland are symbiotic to American Military successes in every American campaign! And that's a fact Jack!
I have heard nothing but praise from our US military people that have worked with or had some experience with the Irish Forces in regards to UN missions/liaisons Air and Naval capabilities they are extremely efficient within the given limitations of peacetime duties.Your government needs to re-think it's position on IRE/ PDF
@Grambo2009 Yes we do, every country in the world has a half decent air force. Im sick of this neutral aurguement. There are lots of neutral countries in europe with decent air forces. Do we not have the self respect to defend ourselves? leave it to the brits? pathetic
It all very well to say we don't need jet fighters, by the time we find out we do, it will be too late . Here's a better idea, lets spend loads of money overpaying civil servants, teachers doctors etc, and spend the rest on layabouts on the dole who wouldnt work in a fit ! , BTW, im not really cynical
True, but my casual view reflects cultivation of perception by our media. I'm only a tiny minority who is even aware of the IRA, regardless of fact or conjecture.
Americans have long become accustomed to creeping bondage. We have been in the chute to the slaughter house for a long time now. There are still a few who remember the days of the open range! What is alarming is that we are finally inside and seeing the instruments of our destruction before our eyes!
@ChaosDynamics Come to think of it, Ireland would benefit a great deal from insurgency! Joining up with the EU vampires was stupid and there were plenty of strong arguments against the idea. It's time for Dublin to regain some sanity and get out of the EU.
If Dublin doesn't have the balls, then bring the fightin' IRA out of retirement. This time, they can fight the Eurocrats if they try to start a color revolution to bring Ireland back under the EU's thumb!
i wish ireland bougth sum real air fighters...mabey an f-16 even 1 or a apache helicopter im shur the pilots would love to be flying jet power...instead v a propellor.....and ireland would be able to peacekeep much better with good air support
Actually, the PC9's are all you need for routine patrols. They are very capable machines for counter-insurgency, ground attack, and first response upon discovery. Don't need jets for those missions.
@ChaosDynamics Norway has an established oil industry, heavy manufacturing base, and blue water merchant fleet. Plus, they are allied with the Danish Crown. They can afford modern military stuff.
Ireland doesn't have any of that and is allied with the parasitic British Crown and all the Rothschilds vampires inside it. Plus, Ireland is on the Hit List of the global banking mafia, along with Portugal, Italy, Greece, and Spain. THAT is why Ireland can't afford the better stuff.
How is it embarrassing these are proper jet's to defend Ireland if they were not able for the job the army air corps would not have taken them in plus they have hell fire missiles and gatling guns the only thing that can get better is speed but they are all ready fast
How is it embarrasing these are proper jet's to defend Ireland if they were not able for the job the army air corps would not have taken them in plus they have hell fire missiles and gatling guns the only thing that can get better is speed but they are all ready fast
How is it embarrasing these are proper jet's to defend Ireland if they were not able for the job the army air corps would not have taken them in plus they have hell fire missiles and gatlen guns the only thing that can get better is speed but they are all ready fast
whats the point in having these planes? Rescue helicopters, Police helicopters, maratime partol aircraft etc all play a vital role. Ireland has a miniscule defence budget, why waste it on PC9's?? What purpose does PC9's have? The PC9's should be sold off.
The Pc-9 is a modern aircraft, it uses a turboprop which is basically a JET engine with a propellor attached and was developed after the original jet engine, everytime people see the prop they think of the 1940s though
@CW507 Yeah, it's hard for non-pilots to get around that. To them, there's only jet and piston. Also, didn't the Flying corps operated SF-260's prior to the PC-9?
They look seriously fun to fly. As a pilot myself I think this is a bit of a waste though. What purpose do these aircraft serve? Its military a2a or strike capability is seriously limited and its air intercept and escort abilities poor. If we want to train out pilots to fly the Beechs, CASA, Learjet or Gulfstream why not just pay for simulator time or normal CPL training ? Progressing from the PC9s to any other aircraft isnt a sensible training path for any purpose except just for fun. Money :(
Don't know why people are rubbishing the PC 9M, it's a top drawer aircraft - turboprop trainers don't get much better apart from this ones bigger brother. Video is very well shot btw.
@Lronsjetpack You are a disgrace, If you had any knowledge of what happened in Cornamona then you should be ashamed of yourself. Even if you don't, to wish something like that and the associated likelihood of loss of life in such an event you describe, is despicable to say the least
@Lronsjetpack Are you deliberately referring to the death of the two Air Corps personnel killed in a PC9 crash in the Connemara Mountains last year? Your comments are despicable and should be immediately removed.
@Lronsjetpack You are a disgrace, If you had any knowledge of what happened in Cornamona then you should be ashamed of yourself. Even if you don't, to wish something like that and the associated likelihood of loss of life in such an event you describe, is despicable to say the least
@0oPadmano0 Ireland Neutral? Nothing in constitution or under law that claims neutrality! Ireland fails to fulfill articles 5&13 of Hague conventions defining neutrality. Small neutral countries, like Sweden, FInland & Swizerland, tend to spend much more on defence to fulfill their obligations under Hague conventions than is the case for small NATO countries. Iceland is a full NATO member and has no Army! Ireland should decide where it stands either provide for its own security or join NATO.
@Elvis7823 not too mention Ireland violated their state of neutrality in WWII by sending 10,000 soldiers to join the British army as well as allowing American fighter planes to land, refuel and use Irish military bases at their own will.
Its very simple, the Air Corp for years have being flying these little planes which as regarding as trainers, ever stop to thing training for what , eh this!
We are a neutral country which means in so many words "We are not at war with you, but if you engage use we are ready for you". Thats the basics of neutrality. Now how can we say that and not have some kind of air corp with weapons on board. Unless they are armed they are simply spotter planes.
yh ireland was not the richest contrie yaers ago but now it is now. has moden citys in ireland we do not need imagrants in ireland or the uk im half irish my self look on wiki by GDP its not the hight but not the lowest k
@0oPadmano0 Provision of national security and civil services are not mutually exclusive. Every other western European country can do both, Ireland can do neither.
Looks like the Irish Air Force is well prepared to fight World War II. Just kidding, guys. That PC 9 has got to be a hoot to fly. I'd love to see you tangle with P-51s at Oshkosh some year. Bet you'd give them a real run for their money.
@RoscoesRiffs Fuck knows who they think they are going to defeat with those aircraft,it also looks like they only buy the rockets one at a time along with one belt of cartridges at a time.Maybe they are to be used to fight angry Irish farmers armed with pitch forks and dung? I suppose they could use them to shoot up the rubber dingy's with 40 african crammed immigrants in, the ones they get trying to paddle accross the channel to claim their free house/money/healthcare etc
yh ireland was not the richest contrie yaers ago but now it is now. has moden citys in ireland we do not need imagrants in ireland or the uk im half irish my self look on wiki by GDP its not the hight but not the lowest k
What's up with the dumb and loud music in the background??? It takes away the seriousness of the exercise. Do u think the fighters have music on their mind during such activities? We wanna hear the engines roaring, the guns firing, etc, etc. We can save the music for party our.
reading some posts about the air corp planes makes me laugh
look most jets that other EU armies have were bought to stop the russians AF helping the tanks stroming into their countries, nowadays they are air-to-air made fighters fitted with nearly the same wepaons as the pc-9, sure they can fly faster, but all they do nowadyas is COIN ops in afghanistan or escorts, nothing they were made to do, so whats the point of one of those jets? cmon gimme a good reason, other then they look cool
Great vid of the PC 9 in action!Does any one know when the air corps will be taking on cadets?Want to be a pilot in the IAC badly!! Any advice to help get in would be well recieved! Thanks.
I'm putting a question out there to anyone who gives a crap about this. Does anyone else think we should join NATO and give up on the whole neutrality thing?? its just a question so don't fucking loose the head with me ok!!!
We are really lacking in Air and sea defence . It`s quite worrying . Your going to put troops on to a battlefield without any air support . You my aswell surrender . Navy also can do nothing to stop invasion fleets . They really should invest more in the air corps and navy .
This is awful . The only good aircraft the air corps purchased were the aw139s and that is the truth ! Honestly if anyone from the armed forces is looking at these comments ! get the hint ? we want modern aircraft capable of actually doing something rather than air shows or fishery protection . Please listen to the people .
Honestly let`s be real here people . We have a good enough army , well equipped , trainned etc but are you seriosuly proud of the aircraft in the video ? In a modern Airforce we are going to depend on these pc9s to lead the main attack and protect our troops on the ground ? Seriously ... Buy a few jets when funding gets better in the future please please please .
i was lucky enough to randomly go to casement aerodrome yesterday and see the air corps flying the pc9m's taking off and landing, oh and a cessna 175 :P
you know these things can take LGB's and guided AT missiles? plus just cause a jet can fly a mach 1.5 doesnt they do,most attack runs by a jet would be at around 400-600 kph,which a PC-9 could match(not sure if the IAC do it that way )
just my two cents,and yea i do want jets :P but money is the main concern
I know that money is the main concern, but the fact is that there are two sides to running any state, and neglecting defense simply means that the country won't survive the next major war. The PC-9 is totally inadequate, not so much due to speed but because it has no real air-to-air capability against fighters, and the Irish PC-9 force wouldn't survive the first 48 hours of a war. They are trainers, nothing more. If we want trainers that can actually fight we should buy Hawks.
who the fuck is gonna invade ireland,dog-fights over ireland get a grip lets be serious here,search and rescue thats it with a bit of customs and fisheries thrown in.
Military planners have to plan for the future, not just the status quo. Belgium did not think that it was likely to be invaded in 1914 either. The fact is in the fog of war there are few certainties. With the Irish Defense Forces seeing most of their deployment far abroad, and in participation with EU battlegroups the Irish forces should be able to operate independently.
if the air force did get jets idots would protest look at new zeland thay had 15 f 15 jets on order then people protested and the new government was sworn in and the oreder was cancelled now thay dont even have there old fighter planes and new zeland has about the same poulation as ireland '''''''
F16's would be a poor choice for the Air Corps, Ideally some Saab JAS 39 Gripens would be perfect, they're designed to operate even when they don't have air superiority. Guerrilla tactics are the only we we would be able to repel anyone
The Harrier may be another good choice that no one has mentioned. While they are not exactly air superiority aircraft the RAF proved in the Falklands with the Sea Harrier that with well trained pilots (one thing the Air Corps does have) they are capable of gaining air superiority. They are cheaper than the likes of the Gripen, can operate without airfields, an important advantage given that an enemy would probably have total air superiority over Ireland, and can double as attack aircraft.
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This is all a waste of money. Those soldiers are on playing silly games. We don't need this. I would like to someone who really knows what they are talking about to explain the need for this kind of air power. Who are we going to be killing? Our own people, the Chinese? Iceland manages very well without an army.
Iceland, unlike Ireland, has practically no foreign policy commitments. The Irish Defense Forces are very important, as they are the only meaningful or influential element of Ireland's foreign policy. It is also the only branch of the Irish civil service, perhaps along with the Gardai, that actually works efficiently.
Most likely the Air Corps will purchase some F-16s. I've no idea why we haven't yet. I guess it's because our fantastic government is busy spending it on other important things. Like themselves.
but look i support all aspects of the defence forces and hope to join when im older. i would love to c a few jets in the air corps it doesnt look likely as the government put more emphasis on the ground forces and navy. we have good well trained ground forces but drastic improvements in the likes of the air corps planes and ground vehicles should be delt with. never the less i support the idf and love the air navy and ground forces and ave full confidence in them if they are needed in de future.
listen u idioits against our air corps WE DONT NEED JETS !!! our air corps assits our troops and the has other roles like patrol we are small neutral and most likely never going to be invaded!! so u idiots if u dont like our air corps go look at the RAF or US air force because i like the air corps and besides we have anti aircraft materials and missles so if planes were a problem then these materials would sort them out! are air corps is growing along with the irish defence forces! thank you
If the Defense Forces are actually to defend anything, they will need a combat capable air element, which at present the Air Corps is not. Ireland also lacks the target acquisition radars to effectively coordinate and operate its anti-aircraft weaponry in a wartime scenario.
The Irish Defense Forces is optimized as best as they can for todays operational climate. ie against dissidents, terrorists on land. And against smugglers and illegal activities at sea. They are doing the best they can with the resources available.
I'm sure the top brass are well aware of the situation and have alot more info then you.
If you have the money, then by all means, buy some jets for the air corps.
norway with a 4-5 million population has advanced fighter jets, heavy main battle tanks, destroyers, frigates and submarines. and a 35,000 strong army (land force)
Stating the obvious isn't necessary. You are clearly an idiot. Obviously the Irish Defense Forces are trying to do what they can with hopelessly paltry resources. No need to post it. My comment was the clear fact that the Irish Defense Forces are inadequate for the task of either defending the Republic or for operating abroad. Too many people on youtube get bogged down in a childish blame game. The point is that the Department of Finance has always neglected national defense.
No, you are an idiot because you are actually making excuses for an unsustainable and potentially disastrous apathy and status quo as if it was good enough. Your smart arse comment about buying some jets for the Air Corps clearly proved it. You haven't a notion that the situation itself isn't good enough.
And yet your going on like Ireland has to be the most powerful country in the world to take part in a war.
Ireland doesn't have jets because there is no threat for the foreseeable future. If the environment changes in that a threat does emerge the DF will take steps to counter it and acquire better air-air capability which may include jets.
At the moment it's not the air corps we should be worrying about it's the Naval Service. Army is too large, AC and NS are too small!
Look Drama Queen! The Irish Defense Forces couldn't be less powerful, being the most powerful in the world isn't even on the cards. The PDF has enough ammunition for three days of warfare, few heavy weapons, negligible AAA, no air cover, little mobility and is barely even large enough for peacetime garrison duties. In wartime it is just not capable of doing more than waging a fighting retreat for a couple of days before scattering to the hills.
A nation's defense is served by having a powerful defense forces, not a negligible military force. The nicety of having a minimal defense forces is an own goal when the reality is that in war the only thing that decides the outcome is winning the battles. Who attacked who is irrelevant. The PDF is not capable of winning anything more than minor tactical skirmishes and is not even fully adequate for its peacetime garrison duties. Claiming that 9 battalions and 4 squadrons is 'too large' is bull.
All of the branches of the PDF are completely inadequate. Just because we need a larger Naval Service does not mean that we should reduce our army; they are both completely inadequate. Concentrating on the army makes sense when Ireland hasn't a hope of defeating an invasion at sea or in the air. Ireland's defense will be fought on land, so if Ireland can't outfit a sufficient army than a meagre supplementation of the Naval Service is superfluous; all three branches need major strengthening.
The Irish State has always tried to scrape by with completely inadequate defense forces. The fact that the two occasions when they were needed as a resort, 1940 and 1969, the government suddenly recognized that they were completely inadequate. To quote Sun Tzu; 'to rely on rustics and not to prepare is the greatest of calamities'. The lack of any credible defense forces simply mean that Ireland is not truly sovereign; it can not maintain its independence if threatened.
@Kampfer1445 It doesn't mean it isn't truly soverign, it means it is neutral.
A large and powerful military is not necessary, they have the EU to call on if truly threatened.. And lets be honest, who will invade Ireland in the modern world
A country that is not capable of defending its sovereignty may be legally sovereign, but in wartime it is not truly sovereign in real terms.
The only safeguard to neutrality is a powerful military. That is why Germany invaded the Low Countries, Norway and Denmark, and left Switzerland alone. You are clearly missing the difference between 'a large and powerful military' and a negligible military force such as the PDF. No country is fully sovereign if it has to rely entirely on its allies.
A potent military is a potent force of national unity and national pride, something that Ireland almost entirely lacks in recent years. The Irish Defense Forces are a paltry peacetime garrison force devoid of any air cover. The Regular Army consists of nine infantry battalions and four cavalry squadrons. While highly trained their operational mobility is very low, with negligible helicopter lift and only enough Piranha APC's for a single battalion. The Irish Cavalry is a motley force.
I wouldn't go for the eurofighter if we were to go for a jet.Its too expensive.Maybe a small jet will do like the BAE Hawk or maybe the Alpha-Jet. We don't necessarily need a fancy air-to-air jet. We aren't invading a country anyway.Nice vid.
MrConcordski 1 day ago
hon the air corp !! best propped plane pilots in the world
F18afterburn 2 weeks ago
Would be cool to have some footage of the Irish pilots practice some dogfighting. I dont know if thats what they do, but it would be awesome!
NKjetkid 2 weeks ago
wer do u get this footage its unreal!
seancorcoran11 4 weeks ago
am irish/english and have to say that britan have better pilots and jets and that they have the best enginers in europe sorry lads but the irish air core is still fucking class
Metallica3761 1 month ago
great video
markg3191 3 months ago
pity all we got is shity WW2 planes and no proper jets :P
HASO101 4 months ago
@HASO101 Erm, the Pilatus trainers/GAP are current day models. For a prop-plane, it certainly isn't shitty (and due to a lower max speed, it's even somewhat better for the ground attack role than a jet would be. I do agree, though, that a few smaller and cheaper jet fighters (newer versions of the Northrop F-5 ?) would be an improvement for the Air Corps. It's not like Ireland never had any jets in its air forces : During the Cold War, you had some pretty good (mostly British) models in service.
ZemplinTemplar 3 months ago 2
@ZemplinTemplar We had no british models during the war we only had the fouga majesta which wasn't amazing which we got second hand from the french air display team
IrishAirCorps98 2 months ago
@IrishAirCorps98
we had the vampire during the cold war ;)
TheBlinkMIDF 1 month ago
@HASO101 actully we got turbo props which r very good nd r basically a jet engine with a propellar on the front the turbo prop was designed after the jet engine
IrishAirCorps98 2 months ago
Another great video spoiled by the fucking hard rock soundtrack. Grow up, guys.
voyagesdedavid 4 months ago
what other weapon can these carry?
Leonidas261910 4 months ago
@MrBroxi1873 fuck off
JackGallo71 5 months ago
it would be nice to see the air corps with a few jets such as the BAE Hawk or L-39. but the pc-9s are still excellent trainers, well done to our air corps ,
motorsiegefan931 5 months ago
@motorsiegefan931 the l39 is out of date and practally useless
BOLLIX58 4 months ago
@BOLLIX58 meh. at least it's a jet. i can't believe the air corps didn't expand during the celtic tiger....
motorsiegefan931 4 months ago
@MrBroxi1873 we dont need a big milatry we dont invade countiers...
Aviationnation10 6 months ago
@Aviationnation10
4 this reason really your Air Force are one of the Best in world because exist only
4 serve to the people in home and dont 4 fuck other countries , like Criminal forces of RAF and USAF.
Long live to Irish Air Force
icaruss88 5 months ago
@icaruss88 True! we dont need F-16's etc
Aviationnation10 5 months ago
Pity about the ole music, would have been nice to hear the live firing. Usefull weapon to have all the same.
urbanguerrilla64 6 months ago
Great flying, great vid, great shooting, What a crap tune!!
librero46 6 months ago
Are those 2.75 inch rockets CRV7's? and the whole air force seems like a waste of money, but it doesn't have to be a waste, take the The Navy for example, they actually do something, Couldn't the Air Force assist the Navy with intercepting those trespassing into Irish waters? and begin to pay their way? Beannacht
marmaladekamikaze 7 months ago
C'MON, get some Typhoons, RAF Typhoons have in exercises destroyed Russian built Su-30's, MiG-29's and American built AV-8's, F-15's and F-18's, the yanks dont like admitting it though but either way, i wouldn't like to be picking out 12.7mm rounds and 2.75 rockets out of my arse
MRWALKER500000 7 months ago
@MRWALKER500000 Don't you think having Eurofighters as our first actual fighter jet would be stepping off the deep end a bit? Those things do cost about 70m a pop, plus maintenance costs. I say we get some Mirage 2000s and F1s, or MiG 29 or Su-27s. The Russians are selling those for no more than 20m USD last time I checked.
SuperJimmyT 7 months ago
@SuperJimmyT That is very true, Look at the Russian Su-27's. Old soviets fighters like the SU-15 are just left there on a grass runaway and once every so often an engine check is preformed and i think they are flown once a year
MRWALKER500000 5 months ago
top air force and top pilots, makes one proud to be irish, viva iris air corps!
AW139FAN 8 months ago 4
Adagio for Strings... Tune! haha
2010MConnolly 8 months ago
do u know whats funny the pc9s max speed is 368mph but the american World War 2 fighter P-51s max speed is 437mph so the americans were ahead of us know back then for a developed country we need a fast well equipped fighter
Sean201213 9 months ago
@Sean201213 we dont were neutral.
stfergus608 8 months ago
@Sean201213 were are'nt planing on goin 2 war
JackGallo71 8 months ago
this was ages ago fs i fink we have eurofighters now
XxBIAxXEmpire 9 months ago
@XxBIAxXEmpire Sorry bud, no fast jets in the IAC.
nibunker 8 months ago
@XxBIAxXEmpire seriously wish we had eurofighters...
MrFreeMinecraft 8 months ago
@XxBIAxXEmpire no we dont :( i do wish we had eurofighters though. we only have 27 aircrafts and 8 small warships. but we have a great army i hope they put some money a side to buy some new suff.
emmetgb 8 months ago
@emmetgb we should trie to buy hms ark royal and her aircraft from britian it was retired recently and make the air corps and the navy look a whole lot better
JackGallo71 7 months ago
@JackGallo71 i dont think the rest of irelad would wont british ships/aircrafts though
emmetgb 7 months ago
@emmetgb i dont think they would like a destroyed air corp and a sunk navy in a war
JackGallo71 7 months ago
@JackGallo71 well i feel ireland is doing a fine job on there on. 11m is cheap for a warship but, i dont think irish men/women would want to do there job on a british ww2 ship.
emmetgb 7 months ago
@emmetgb its not from ww2 a ship in world war 2 had the same name the one they just retired was built 25 years ago and it we bought shipps from the british b4
JackGallo71 7 months ago
@JackGallo71 we may have (i didnt know that) but brish ships that where made in the uk, but not a ship that british have used
emmetgb 7 months ago
@emmetgb ye we did use british ships go on irish defence forces.com and go into the naval service and go into the history
JackGallo71 7 months ago
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@emmetgb
I'm a bit ashamed of The Irish Navy because after the Civil War they bought a British Gun boat that was used to shell those fighting in the Easter Rising, sad but true.
marmaladekamikaze 7 months ago
@JackGallo71 Well considering how we are BANKRUPT right now, I don't see the government spending cash on an aircraft carrier. Besides that, do you know how outdated Ark Royal is? It can only launch Harrier's and helicopters.
SuperJimmyT 7 months ago
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marmaladekamikaze 7 months ago
Ah the gizelle ,great chopper shame we phased them out of service..
TheJWalshVlog 9 months ago
PC 21 w szarym malowaniu tak jak PZL 130 ORLIK.
kuba140272 9 months ago
Song choice cracked me up; 'here come the boys from the South' indeed.
This debate has been done to death on other fora, but increasing our spending on the military would be absolute lunacy. The only signifigant threat to Ireland is from internal non-state entities. This is not the sort of thing that can be combatted with tools intended for conventional warfare. Furthermore, we don't have and indigenous defence industry, so we'd just be sending more cash overseas.
Catcrumbs 9 months ago
thumbs up if this is what u want to train as
nissanferrari1 9 months ago
@ChaosDynamics
Haha Norway are one of the most agressive neutral countries I've ever seen then. Were they not one of the US's strongest supporters after 9/11 The "War on Terror" no?
Norway have always placed an emphasis on their military, sure they fought in both world wars.
haggisonharry 10 months ago
damn that jet is a joke. you think they can afford a few real jets.....
stallion78 10 months ago
sorry last bit couldnt link it youtube seems to error it but the eurofighter
TheGunner1324 10 months ago
i agree im english and the irish budget is stupidly low and dont see any sectors of your country even growing hopefully it will change but the test will come when you go to war, hopefully wont happen but war allways happens falklands cold and far away from britain
best aircraft ever we are even making another one better than it best fighter jet ever
TheGunner1324 10 months ago
As nice and all as those are, I'd hate to see them against an Eurofighter Typhoon, or an apache gunship for that matter...
Skulblaka95 10 months ago
nice plane. dose da same kinda stuff as an attack chopper
nathan16ish 11 months ago
@ChaosDynamics its in nato
donvit2 11 months ago
the conservatives are in power now (fine gael) so they will want a strong army i would think .maybe this might be the first government that cares about our military because it simply isnt given enough credit or importance from the population and countless governments have simply never invested enough money into the military, just look at the defence budget . i always believe a country needs a strong army to defend itself otherwise you will be easily overrun and wiped out ,ireland or not .
irelandbacktoirish 1 year ago
@ChaosDynamics Norway is a member of Nato
mowag123 1 year ago
Small, very maneuverable, reasonable punch.
We could use some of those in Afghanistan.
thetruth583 1 year ago
@thetruth583 Oh yeah,never thought of that before.
hurlingstar1 1 year ago
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great aircraft. be great if we cud get a few mre
Warhawk210 1 year ago
great aircraft , god to get a few mre..
Warhawk210 1 year ago
Historically the real military accomplishments of Ireland are symbiotic to American Military successes in every American campaign! And that's a fact Jack!
I have heard nothing but praise from our US military people that have worked with or had some experience with the Irish Forces in regards to UN missions/liaisons Air and Naval capabilities they are extremely efficient within the given limitations of peacetime duties.Your government needs to re-think it's position on IRE/ PDF
mikemca52 1 year ago
@Grambo2009 Yes we do, every country in the world has a half decent air force. Im sick of this neutral aurguement. There are lots of neutral countries in europe with decent air forces. Do we not have the self respect to defend ourselves? leave it to the brits? pathetic
carlingfordberg 1 year ago
@carlingfordberg I totally agree with you.
hurlingstar1 1 year ago
Sweet as hell.
AmericanAviator 1 year ago
It all very well to say we don't need jet fighters, by the time we find out we do, it will be too late . Here's a better idea, lets spend loads of money overpaying civil servants, teachers doctors etc, and spend the rest on layabouts on the dole who wouldnt work in a fit ! , BTW, im not really cynical
davephelan2005 1 year ago
the best millitary is the one you dont need
Ortografuckdisaster0 1 year ago
@ChaosDynamics Touché!
True, but my casual view reflects cultivation of perception by our media. I'm only a tiny minority who is even aware of the IRA, regardless of fact or conjecture.
Americans have long become accustomed to creeping bondage. We have been in the chute to the slaughter house for a long time now. There are still a few who remember the days of the open range! What is alarming is that we are finally inside and seeing the instruments of our destruction before our eyes!
InfiniteMushroom 1 year ago
@ChaosDynamics Come to think of it, Ireland would benefit a great deal from insurgency! Joining up with the EU vampires was stupid and there were plenty of strong arguments against the idea. It's time for Dublin to regain some sanity and get out of the EU.
If Dublin doesn't have the balls, then bring the fightin' IRA out of retirement. This time, they can fight the Eurocrats if they try to start a color revolution to bring Ireland back under the EU's thumb!
InfiniteMushroom 1 year ago
i wish ireland bougth sum real air fighters...mabey an f-16 even 1 or a apache helicopter im shur the pilots would love to be flying jet power...instead v a propellor.....and ireland would be able to peacekeep much better with good air support
dazzer273 1 year ago
Actually, the PC9's are all you need for routine patrols. They are very capable machines for counter-insurgency, ground attack, and first response upon discovery. Don't need jets for those missions.
InfiniteMushroom 1 year ago
Sell the PC-9's to the IRA!
InfiniteMushroom 1 year ago
@ChaosDynamics Norway has an established oil industry, heavy manufacturing base, and blue water merchant fleet. Plus, they are allied with the Danish Crown. They can afford modern military stuff.
Ireland doesn't have any of that and is allied with the parasitic British Crown and all the Rothschilds vampires inside it. Plus, Ireland is on the Hit List of the global banking mafia, along with Portugal, Italy, Greece, and Spain. THAT is why Ireland can't afford the better stuff.
InfiniteMushroom 1 year ago
IAC needs upgrading
EWnspire 1 year ago
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How is it embarrassing these are proper jet's to defend Ireland if they were not able for the job the army air corps would not have taken them in plus they have hell fire missiles and gatling guns the only thing that can get better is speed but they are all ready fast
L97Adam 1 year ago
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How is it embarrasing these are proper jet's to defend Ireland if they were not able for the job the army air corps would not have taken them in plus they have hell fire missiles and gatling guns the only thing that can get better is speed but they are all ready fast
L97Adam 1 year ago
How is it embarrasing these are proper jet's to defend Ireland if they were not able for the job the army air corps would not have taken them in plus they have hell fire missiles and gatlen guns the only thing that can get better is speed but they are all ready fast
L97Adam 1 year ago
its funny...this plane can take 90% of air weapons in the NATO arsenal..so why not invest in more weapons for them?
i agree that jets would be better but these are perfect for over seas missions
like chad for example, the weapons it has now would wipe out any rebel attack, but for homeland defence, more weapons and jets would be better
(AIM-120 and mavericks :D )
i think the fact the gov wouldnt replace the crashed PC-9 shows that we wont get jets anytime soon
TheBlinkMIDF 1 year ago
No worries lads, Irish airspace is safe if Barron Von Richthofen ever decides to invade.
stoneill1 1 year ago
whats the point in having these planes? Rescue helicopters, Police helicopters, maratime partol aircraft etc all play a vital role. Ireland has a miniscule defence budget, why waste it on PC9's?? What purpose does PC9's have? The PC9's should be sold off.
dihedral 1 year ago
i need to join sooo bad...
ciarantheledge 1 year ago
i want to join now..
ciarantheledge 1 year ago
Could you make this video playable on mobile please!
xJaMeSxdAxdKx 1 year ago
What a lethal fighting force
PsySwitch1983 1 year ago
hahahahahah 1:18 Fucking goal posts !!!! High vis jackets are pretty funny too :P Cool vid though :P
surferstapleton 1 year ago
The Australian Air Force uses the PC9 for their aerobatic team
stratcat07 1 year ago
The Pc-9 is a modern aircraft, it uses a turboprop which is basically a JET engine with a propellor attached and was developed after the original jet engine, everytime people see the prop they think of the 1940s though
CW507 1 year ago 22
@CW507 Thank's for that info iv'e being trying to tell people that this is a good aircraft but they call it crap
L97Adam 1 year ago
@CW507 Yeah, it's hard for non-pilots to get around that. To them, there's only jet and piston. Also, didn't the Flying corps operated SF-260's prior to the PC-9?
AmericanAviator 1 year ago
i'd say throw in a few f16s der dats all we need
CorkRebel19911 1 year ago
cool!!
fionn212008 1 year ago
They look seriously fun to fly. As a pilot myself I think this is a bit of a waste though. What purpose do these aircraft serve? Its military a2a or strike capability is seriously limited and its air intercept and escort abilities poor. If we want to train out pilots to fly the Beechs, CASA, Learjet or Gulfstream why not just pay for simulator time or normal CPL training ? Progressing from the PC9s to any other aircraft isnt a sensible training path for any purpose except just for fun. Money :(
zero7777 1 year ago
Don't know why people are rubbishing the PC 9M, it's a top drawer aircraft - turboprop trainers don't get much better apart from this ones bigger brother. Video is very well shot btw.
ado75 1 year ago
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@Lronsjetpack You are a disgrace, If you had any knowledge of what happened in Cornamona then you should be ashamed of yourself. Even if you don't, to wish something like that and the associated likelihood of loss of life in such an event you describe, is despicable to say the least
doriordan 1 year ago
we got some bad air corps
crazy4cars5764 1 year ago
typical irish spending. wasting money on stupid little prop toys like that and hospitals in bits.
fucking disgrace I hope it crashes into the nearest mountain.
Lronsjetpack 1 year ago
@Lronsjetpack Are you deliberately referring to the death of the two Air Corps personnel killed in a PC9 crash in the Connemara Mountains last year? Your comments are despicable and should be immediately removed.
Elvis7823 1 year ago
@Lronsjetpack You are a disgrace, If you had any knowledge of what happened in Cornamona then you should be ashamed of yourself. Even if you don't, to wish something like that and the associated likelihood of loss of life in such an event you describe, is despicable to say the least
doriordan 1 year ago
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@Lronsjetpack Have you no respect for the dead? Remove your comments!
Elvis7823 1 year ago
what a waste of money - how about they use it to blitz those fucking idiots of politicians that have been ripping us off.
what a pile of shit it is really out dated out matched and not worth the euro we spend on it. GET RID OF IT and the AIR CORP.
Lronsjetpack 1 year ago
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conbar777 1 year ago
@conbar777 Im nearly sure Ireland have a restriction on military size due to our strong stance on nuetrality.
0oPadmano0 1 year ago
@0oPadmano0 Ireland Neutral? Nothing in constitution or under law that claims neutrality! Ireland fails to fulfill articles 5&13 of Hague conventions defining neutrality. Small neutral countries, like Sweden, FInland & Swizerland, tend to spend much more on defence to fulfill their obligations under Hague conventions than is the case for small NATO countries. Iceland is a full NATO member and has no Army! Ireland should decide where it stands either provide for its own security or join NATO.
Elvis7823 1 year ago
@Elvis7823 not too mention Ireland violated their state of neutrality in WWII by sending 10,000 soldiers to join the British army as well as allowing American fighter planes to land, refuel and use Irish military bases at their own will.
TheBunEater 1 year ago
@TheBunEater actually it was the ''Free State Of Ireland' then it was a self governing part of the British Empire so it was'nt neutral back then.
livtyler83 1 year ago
Its very simple, the Air Corp for years have being flying these little planes which as regarding as trainers, ever stop to thing training for what , eh this!
We are a neutral country which means in so many words "We are not at war with you, but if you engage use we are ready for you". Thats the basics of neutrality. Now how can we say that and not have some kind of air corp with weapons on board. Unless they are armed they are simply spotter planes.
watsdastoriwitya 1 year ago
i was at the dray airshow and saw these fly and infact i thought about it and felt happy and safe, even if there proppelers we have them.
pandawaste123 1 year ago
i was sitting in one of those today !!
maddi2k9 1 year ago
5 stars!
jumpmaestro 1 year ago
i thinks it kinda bad we only have 5 jets in ireland for militery purposes and even then there old
mistysvenger007 1 year ago
@mistysvenger007 we dont need 100 of them were neutral so we dont need big shit ie f15's
maddi2k9 1 year ago
Cant the Irish afford jet aircraft then?Instead of civillian trainers with armament pods attached?
silver760 1 year ago
yh ireland was not the richest contrie yaers ago but now it is now. has moden citys in ireland we do not need imagrants in ireland or the uk im half irish my self look on wiki by GDP its not the hight but not the lowest k
iiiamine 1 year ago
Would you rather have 20 Fighter Jets in the army or free health care?
I rest my case.
0oPadmano0 1 year ago
@0oPadmano0 Provision of national security and civil services are not mutually exclusive. Every other western European country can do both, Ireland can do neither.
conbar777 1 year ago
Looks like the Irish Air Force is well prepared to fight World War II. Just kidding, guys. That PC 9 has got to be a hoot to fly. I'd love to see you tangle with P-51s at Oshkosh some year. Bet you'd give them a real run for their money.
RoscoesRiffs 1 year ago
@RoscoesRiffs Fuck knows who they think they are going to defeat with those aircraft,it also looks like they only buy the rockets one at a time along with one belt of cartridges at a time.Maybe they are to be used to fight angry Irish farmers armed with pitch forks and dung? I suppose they could use them to shoot up the rubber dingy's with 40 african crammed immigrants in, the ones they get trying to paddle accross the channel to claim their free house/money/healthcare etc
silver760 1 year ago
Ireland sucks so lets do something about it down with the current government and down with fianna Fail
LukeHand16 1 year ago
yh ireland was not the richest contrie yaers ago but now it is now. has moden citys in ireland we do not need imagrants in ireland or the uk im half irish my self look on wiki by GDP its not the hight but not the lowest k
iiiamine 1 year ago
@iiiamine I would place my taxmoney on schools instead!
Bratfalken 1 year ago
What's up with the dumb and loud music in the background??? It takes away the seriousness of the exercise. Do u think the fighters have music on their mind during such activities? We wanna hear the engines roaring, the guns firing, etc, etc. We can save the music for party our.
Cheers
Luxurybaron 1 year ago
reading some posts about the air corp planes makes me laugh
look most jets that other EU armies have were bought to stop the russians AF helping the tanks stroming into their countries, nowadays they are air-to-air made fighters fitted with nearly the same wepaons as the pc-9, sure they can fly faster, but all they do nowadyas is COIN ops in afghanistan or escorts, nothing they were made to do, so whats the point of one of those jets? cmon gimme a good reason, other then they look cool
TheBlinkMIDF 1 year ago
Great vid of the PC 9 in action!Does any one know when the air corps will be taking on cadets?Want to be a pilot in the IAC badly!! Any advice to help get in would be well recieved! Thanks.
ciaran220388 1 year ago
cool crop duster
joeydknecht 1 year ago
I'm putting a question out there to anyone who gives a crap about this. Does anyone else think we should join NATO and give up on the whole neutrality thing?? its just a question so don't fucking loose the head with me ok!!!
DLS95 1 year ago
@DLS95 I`m with you !
HIURNAMEISTOMMY 1 year ago
@HIURNAMEISTOMMY good man thanks
DLS95 1 year ago
Nobody's going to invade Ireland. They saw what happened to the British.
So the guys arming and fuelling the plane didn't have any safety gear on.
What's up with that, me brothers?
splortz 1 year ago
cmon give us some fighter jets even if there somewhat out dated! just give our pilates what they need!
UFCfan6414 1 year ago
We are really lacking in Air and sea defence . It`s quite worrying . Your going to put troops on to a battlefield without any air support . You my aswell surrender . Navy also can do nothing to stop invasion fleets . They really should invest more in the air corps and navy .
HIURNAMEISTOMMY 1 year ago 3
@daveoo8 these planes are for air to ground you dickhead
sean93212 1 year ago
why dont we actually have a proper air defence force instead of shitty little planes, we should have proper fighter jets
CorkRebel19911 1 year ago 3
@CorkRebel19911
money. Imagine Cowen went off and bought 50 fighter jets, there would be people marching in the streets to have him hanged
denis1110 1 year ago
This is awful . The only good aircraft the air corps purchased were the aw139s and that is the truth ! Honestly if anyone from the armed forces is looking at these comments ! get the hint ? we want modern aircraft capable of actually doing something rather than air shows or fishery protection . Please listen to the people .
HIURNAMEISTOMMY 1 year ago 2
Honestly let`s be real here people . We have a good enough army , well equipped , trainned etc but are you seriosuly proud of the aircraft in the video ? In a modern Airforce we are going to depend on these pc9s to lead the main attack and protect our troops on the ground ? Seriously ... Buy a few jets when funding gets better in the future please please please .
HIURNAMEISTOMMY 1 year ago
i was lucky enough to randomly go to casement aerodrome yesterday and see the air corps flying the pc9m's taking off and landing, oh and a cessna 175 :P
FPVsean 2 years ago
you know these things can take LGB's and guided AT missiles? plus just cause a jet can fly a mach 1.5 doesnt they do,most attack runs by a jet would be at around 400-600 kph,which a PC-9 could match(not sure if the IAC do it that way )
just my two cents,and yea i do want jets :P but money is the main concern
armarpgBlink 2 years ago
I know that money is the main concern, but the fact is that there are two sides to running any state, and neglecting defense simply means that the country won't survive the next major war. The PC-9 is totally inadequate, not so much due to speed but because it has no real air-to-air capability against fighters, and the Irish PC-9 force wouldn't survive the first 48 hours of a war. They are trainers, nothing more. If we want trainers that can actually fight we should buy Hawks.
Kampfer1445 2 years ago
who the fuck is gonna invade ireland,dog-fights over ireland get a grip lets be serious here,search and rescue thats it with a bit of customs and fisheries thrown in.
tully5111helmets 2 years ago
Military planners have to plan for the future, not just the status quo. Belgium did not think that it was likely to be invaded in 1914 either. The fact is in the fog of war there are few certainties. With the Irish Defense Forces seeing most of their deployment far abroad, and in participation with EU battlegroups the Irish forces should be able to operate independently.
Kampfer1445 2 years ago
if the air force did get jets idots would protest look at new zeland thay had 15 f 15 jets on order then people protested and the new government was sworn in and the oreder was cancelled now thay dont even have there old fighter planes and new zeland has about the same poulation as ireland '''''''
iwata25 2 years ago 2
It kinda looks like a p-51 mustang
markvinas31 2 years ago
F16's would be a poor choice for the Air Corps, Ideally some Saab JAS 39 Gripens would be perfect, they're designed to operate even when they don't have air superiority. Guerrilla tactics are the only we we would be able to repel anyone
wcairsoft 2 years ago 2
The Harrier may be another good choice that no one has mentioned. While they are not exactly air superiority aircraft the RAF proved in the Falklands with the Sea Harrier that with well trained pilots (one thing the Air Corps does have) they are capable of gaining air superiority. They are cheaper than the likes of the Gripen, can operate without airfields, an important advantage given that an enemy would probably have total air superiority over Ireland, and can double as attack aircraft.
Kampfer1445 2 years ago
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This is all a waste of money. Those soldiers are on playing silly games. We don't need this. I would like to someone who really knows what they are talking about to explain the need for this kind of air power. Who are we going to be killing? Our own people, the Chinese? Iceland manages very well without an army.
maevalice1 2 years ago
Iceland, unlike Ireland, has practically no foreign policy commitments. The Irish Defense Forces are very important, as they are the only meaningful or influential element of Ireland's foreign policy. It is also the only branch of the Irish civil service, perhaps along with the Gardai, that actually works efficiently.
Kampfer1445 2 years ago
Please correct me if im wrong but si the Crisis Response Unit a military organisation in Iceland
hunjsuk 2 years ago
Would love to see a few jets in the Corp, ah sure maybe in a few years after we sort out this recession
GarGPS 2 years ago 17
Most likely the Air Corps will purchase some F-16s. I've no idea why we haven't yet. I guess it's because our fantastic government is busy spending it on other important things. Like themselves.
RobBobtron 2 years ago 4
@GarGPS you mean rebel against the government right ?
LukeHand16 1 year ago
but look i support all aspects of the defence forces and hope to join when im older. i would love to c a few jets in the air corps it doesnt look likely as the government put more emphasis on the ground forces and navy. we have good well trained ground forces but drastic improvements in the likes of the air corps planes and ground vehicles should be delt with. never the less i support the idf and love the air navy and ground forces and ave full confidence in them if they are needed in de future.
poppoppoppopoppop 2 years ago
listen u idioits against our air corps WE DONT NEED JETS !!! our air corps assits our troops and the has other roles like patrol we are small neutral and most likely never going to be invaded!! so u idiots if u dont like our air corps go look at the RAF or US air force because i like the air corps and besides we have anti aircraft materials and missles so if planes were a problem then these materials would sort them out! are air corps is growing along with the irish defence forces! thank you
poppoppoppopoppop 2 years ago
If the Defense Forces are actually to defend anything, they will need a combat capable air element, which at present the Air Corps is not. Ireland also lacks the target acquisition radars to effectively coordinate and operate its anti-aircraft weaponry in a wartime scenario.
Kampfer1445 2 years ago
@Kampfer1445
The Irish Defense Forces is optimized as best as they can for todays operational climate. ie against dissidents, terrorists on land. And against smugglers and illegal activities at sea. They are doing the best they can with the resources available.
I'm sure the top brass are well aware of the situation and have alot more info then you.
If you have the money, then by all means, buy some jets for the air corps.
murphxbox 2 years ago
norway with a 4-5 million population has advanced fighter jets, heavy main battle tanks, destroyers, frigates and submarines. and a 35,000 strong army (land force)
Ireland should take a leafe out of their book
DarkestManager 2 years ago 3
Stating the obvious isn't necessary. You are clearly an idiot. Obviously the Irish Defense Forces are trying to do what they can with hopelessly paltry resources. No need to post it. My comment was the clear fact that the Irish Defense Forces are inadequate for the task of either defending the Republic or for operating abroad. Too many people on youtube get bogged down in a childish blame game. The point is that the Department of Finance has always neglected national defense.
Kampfer1445 2 years ago
@Kampfer1445
So when i state the obvious saying we don't have enough money i'm an idiot?
But when you state the obvious saying our DF isn't big enough you're a genius?
Is that your logic?
murphxbox 2 years ago
No, you are an idiot because you are actually making excuses for an unsustainable and potentially disastrous apathy and status quo as if it was good enough. Your smart arse comment about buying some jets for the Air Corps clearly proved it. You haven't a notion that the situation itself isn't good enough.
Kampfer1445 2 years ago
@Kampfer1445
And yet your going on like Ireland has to be the most powerful country in the world to take part in a war.
Ireland doesn't have jets because there is no threat for the foreseeable future. If the environment changes in that a threat does emerge the DF will take steps to counter it and acquire better air-air capability which may include jets.
At the moment it's not the air corps we should be worrying about it's the Naval Service. Army is too large, AC and NS are too small!
murphxbox 2 years ago
Look Drama Queen! The Irish Defense Forces couldn't be less powerful, being the most powerful in the world isn't even on the cards. The PDF has enough ammunition for three days of warfare, few heavy weapons, negligible AAA, no air cover, little mobility and is barely even large enough for peacetime garrison duties. In wartime it is just not capable of doing more than waging a fighting retreat for a couple of days before scattering to the hills.
Kampfer1445 1 year ago
A nation's defense is served by having a powerful defense forces, not a negligible military force. The nicety of having a minimal defense forces is an own goal when the reality is that in war the only thing that decides the outcome is winning the battles. Who attacked who is irrelevant. The PDF is not capable of winning anything more than minor tactical skirmishes and is not even fully adequate for its peacetime garrison duties. Claiming that 9 battalions and 4 squadrons is 'too large' is bull.
Kampfer1445 1 year ago
All of the branches of the PDF are completely inadequate. Just because we need a larger Naval Service does not mean that we should reduce our army; they are both completely inadequate. Concentrating on the army makes sense when Ireland hasn't a hope of defeating an invasion at sea or in the air. Ireland's defense will be fought on land, so if Ireland can't outfit a sufficient army than a meagre supplementation of the Naval Service is superfluous; all three branches need major strengthening.
Kampfer1445 1 year ago
The Irish State has always tried to scrape by with completely inadequate defense forces. The fact that the two occasions when they were needed as a resort, 1940 and 1969, the government suddenly recognized that they were completely inadequate. To quote Sun Tzu; 'to rely on rustics and not to prepare is the greatest of calamities'. The lack of any credible defense forces simply mean that Ireland is not truly sovereign; it can not maintain its independence if threatened.
Kampfer1445 1 year ago
@Kampfer1445 Are you Irish?
MrEnglishToff 1 year ago
@Kampfer1445 It doesn't mean it isn't truly soverign, it means it is neutral.
A large and powerful military is not necessary, they have the EU to call on if truly threatened.. And lets be honest, who will invade Ireland in the modern world
madmike101101 1 year ago
A country that is not capable of defending its sovereignty may be legally sovereign, but in wartime it is not truly sovereign in real terms.
The only safeguard to neutrality is a powerful military. That is why Germany invaded the Low Countries, Norway and Denmark, and left Switzerland alone. You are clearly missing the difference between 'a large and powerful military' and a negligible military force such as the PDF. No country is fully sovereign if it has to rely entirely on its allies.
Kampfer1445 1 year ago 2
A potent military is a potent force of national unity and national pride, something that Ireland almost entirely lacks in recent years. The Irish Defense Forces are a paltry peacetime garrison force devoid of any air cover. The Regular Army consists of nine infantry battalions and four cavalry squadrons. While highly trained their operational mobility is very low, with negligible helicopter lift and only enough Piranha APC's for a single battalion. The Irish Cavalry is a motley force.
Kampfer1445 1 year ago