@DrSuperSixSeven I am assuming you are a doc. I will agree undergrad is a joke but trust me bro...CRNA school is no joke! I can guarantee you we have the hardest program in my school including DO, Pharmacy, PA, PT and opthalmology. If someone is working hard...stop being an ass and accept it! Not everyone has the money, condition or will to be a doctor. And that doesn't mean they CAN'T be one. :)
A 2 to 2.5 year CRNA program is harder than (osteopathic) medical school? That’s a good one! Dream on, nurse. Dream on. Whatever helps you feel better in the morning.
@DrSuperSixSeven Actually you can go on dreaming you are some God. First learn how to do your own job. I go home after work...I go to sleep...you go home after work...I wake your ass up to ask you a question at 3 in the morning. When my Anatomy professor tells me that we have to go through exactly the same neuro portion in 2 weeks instead of 8 weeks for DOs I know what to think. Have fun thinkin you are all that...but your sleep is on a nurses fingertips!
The fact that you go through neuro in 2 wks rather than 4 means that you SKIM through neuro topics, you dumbshit. That’s why we go to four years of medical school, so that we can study every topic thoroughly.
@DrSuperSixSeven My brain had the capability to get all that info in 2 weeks than 8 like you Dr. Faggot! You wanna go at it bitch...let me know when you reviewed your neuro anatomy, fucker! I am soo sure you are gonna say "I m a dentist" at the end!
Ly having performed the legal steps to becoming a physician. To become a physician you need to score a 3.6 or higher gpa in general and science courses in college, you must get strong reference letters from your professors in college, you must volunteer or have worked in a health related setting. You must score on average 30 or higher on the medical college application test (MCAT), which is a test to determine your aptitude for science coursework, which guarantees your 3.6 from state U meant so
Civil and criminal penalties for impersonating a doctor. Also a loss of a midlevels privileges and professional ability to maintain their ability to be rehired or be licensed. The old way of turning a blind eye in medicine is over. There is a new breed of physicians trained in both medicine and law who are ready to take the reins from the state and national anesthesia and medical societies who are ready to right the wrongs of midlevels who have tried to assume the role of doctor without actual
My hospital to produce independent practitioners on orthopedics, but I would most likely lose my hospital privileges and my medical license for doing such a thing. To assume the moniker of "residency" whether any other provider of care in a clinical setting is offended or not is entirely inappropriate and heinous because residency is something governmentally established and produced by the AAMC. To say you went through residency if you are not an MD/DO is criminal fraud, battery, and subject to
A residency is an educational program approved by the ACGME there are strict educational guidelines and strict governmental parameters the least of which is case logs, but the most important is quality assurance. The residencies available are through ERAS. For example I could not open an orthopedic residency in my hospital without first going through the AAMC. I may feel I have quality PA s that could practice as orthopedic physicians independently and I may want to open a training program at
If the Nurse Anesthetists were not trained good then I am pretty sure they would have never let them deliver Anesthetia and a lot of people would have said that they were in pain during the surgery and probably sure the Nurse Anesthetist. People just because someone is a doctor does not mean they are smarter in something than a nurse. You should ignore these labels sometimes
The average doctor is a hell of a lot smarter than the average nurse. You can take that one to the bank. Are there exceptions? Sure. But they are few and far between.
No. But generally, you it takes a smarter person to get through medical school and residency than it does to get through nursing school and 2-year CRNA program.
@DrSuperSixSeven That's nice! I didn't ask for your personal opinion. So STFU and dont reply to my comments. At the end of the day a hospital wouldnt function properly if it only had doctors and no nurses.
Okay for those of you that are being bias between an Anesthesiologist and a Nurse Anesthetist need to read this. An Anesthesiologist(MD) needs 4 years of college,4 years of medical school,1 year intern, and 3-4 years residency. (MD) do not learn anything about delivering anesthetia in college and medical school they really learn that in residency which is 3-4 years. Nurse Anesthetists learn how to deliver anesthetia during their 2-3 years for masters so it's really not a big difference.
Hey shit-for-brains, yeah, we don’t learn about delivering anesthesia in medical school. Instead, we spent four years learning all about human physiology, human pathology, pharmacology, and every other field of medicine that usually, sometimes, and even once in a while becomes relevant to the delivery of anesthesia. That’s what differentiates an anesthesiologist from a nurse-anesthetist. We know medicine. All nurse-anesthetists know how to do is pump drugs and ACLS.
@DrSuperSixSeven let's be real the 4 years of college is pointless to a doctor because all they really need are pre-med courses. Then it's medical school which obviously a doctor needs and residency. So if u look at it nurse anesthetist can do a lot of what the anestihesiologist can do. but of course not everything. Oh and that was rude of you to call me "shit for brains". Dont feel tough just cuz ur a doctor because I bet ur a crappy doctor anyways. i bet no one wants a dr like ur dumb ass
No need to get angry; it's obvious to anyone that a nurse (CRNA) is in no way "equal" to an anesthesiologist(MD)..CRNA are useful physician extenders and if they work under the close supervision of an anesthesiaologist, that can be safe....for carefully selected cases. I love it when CRNA try to argue "facts".......the fact is: most patients want the most qualified anesthesia provider..that means an anesthesiologist..not a nurse (CRNA).......make your own choice
@alliedification And again. Quite an ugly opinion you have. I am curious as to what nurse has hurt you in such a way that you seek to bash them on any video possible? I do hope you are not in the medical field, such anger can breed many bad outcomes.
@ReneArtoisJR - do a little research. 75% of anesthesia in the US is done by CRNAs, and every shred of evidence (of which there is a LOT) clearly demonstrates that CRNAs are just as safe at providing anesthesia as MD anesthesiologists - not to mention the fact that nurse anesthesia has been around as a recognized profession longer than anesthesiology for MDs!
Get your facts straight. 75% of anesthesia is done by CRNAs, but most of that is under the supervision of anesthesiologists. Anesthesiologists are involved in more than 90% of all anesthetics administered in this country.
I wouldn't let a CRNA within a mile of me , , , I'm allergic to amateurs . . give me a pro. . a REAL Anaesthesologist or nothing at all ! Of course the bean counters are all in favor of the CRNA as they are cheaper . . keep those costs down and damn patient safety!
And analfidacation also has a deep seeded hate issues. He claims to be informed yet babbles inaccuracies like there fact. I hope he is not a real practitioner - I don't think he understandes what "evidenced based practice" means; you know, where u apply FACTS to solve the problem.
Whoever is moderating this video needs to police up the inappropriate childish rant by some of the posters. Drdeepsixorseven, or whatever his name is, needs to be checked up. Some obvious deep maturity issues being displayed. "My wife says," your kidding me right? Get a hobby!
By the way, this video is set in a military healthcare facility. Physician supervision is a joke. P.A.s are more often found than M.D.s, and are the final order approval on everything that doesn't require a consult with a specialist. Also, when CRNAs enter the military, they are put on probation, and shadowed by an anesthesiologist mentor while they work. (Some people call this a "Residency"; however, other elitist snobs disagree saying only doctorate holders can be "Residents")
That’s because only doctorate holders can be residents, you idiot.
That aside, your statement about PAs is factually incorrect. PA’s are never the “final order approval” on anything. By definition, PAs work under the license (and supervision) of doctors. There is no ambiguity whatsoever about this. Anything a PA does technically has to be signed-off by a doctor at some point. And if the PA fucks up, it’s the doctor who is responsible, without exception.
Like it or not, advanced practice nurses' scope of practice will continue to expand as long as the cost of educating and employing physicians in those specialties continues to increase. It is simple economics. In fact, there are 16 states whose governors signed legislation opting out of required physician supervision for CRNAs in participating hospitals. Obviously, there are limits on practice, but you get the general idea. Is it the safest option? Maybe not. The most affordable? ABSOLUTELY.
rant continued: my wife is a physician who teaches at the local university med school. She informs me that nurses (CRNA) do not do residencies and that at her medical center, all CRNA are required to be supervised by anesthesiologists. But she says that some rural and for-profit hospitals do allow CRNA to work solo........dangerous
I don't dislike CRNA, but I don't see how anyone can equate an anesthesiologist's 4 years of med school, 4 years of residency to a 4 year nursing degree plus 20 months of nurse anesthetist school-typical for CRNA. CRNA are o.k when directly supervised by an anesthesiologist. Otherwise you have a nurse (CRNA) doing a physician's job and that's dangerous.
@alliedification I would just like to point out that you are missing something rather large here. Yes it takes 4+ years to acquire a BSN, this is required to apply to enter a CRNA program. What you fail to understand is each person who applies also has to have at least 2 years of critical care experience. This coupled with a 30+ month program in most cases actually exceeds the time you put forth by quite a bit, 4 years BSN, 2 years critical care, ~3years in anesthesia school.
Two years of critical care experience? Yeah, as an ICU nurse! LOL. That’s your idea of critical care experience!? ROFL And contrary to popular belief, most ICU patients aren’t on the verge of death. And without exception, ICUs are staffed by physicians who manage these patients and make sure that nurses have orders to follow for patient care. ICU experience, my ass!
Most CRNA programs are 28 months, asshole. Not 30 months.
@DrSuperSixSeven I'm a CRNA. My program was 2.5 years long with a following 1.5 year residency. Residency meaning I was at the hospital probably 70 hours a week with many of my weekday night spent at the hospital. Now as a practicing CRNA, I can say that I've certainly gained the respect of my anesthesiologist co-workers. It is a shame to see doctors like you get caught up in your own arrogance.
It really amazes me what lying dirtbags some of you CRNAs are. You have no qualms about misrepresenting your educational background.
“Residency meaning....”??
Residency isn’t just working, Walczak RN. Residency is training closely with an attending physician who teaches the resident everything he knows,. Residency is a form of formal education. Your spending 70 hours in a hospital tubing patients is not a residency. What you have is 1.5 years of work experience, as a CRNA.
@DrSuperSixSeven You are one angry person. Get off your high horse. You'll never see me claiming to be a better anesthesia provider than an anesthesiologist; that isn't why I chose this career.I went to college for 4 years, worked in a CICU for 4 years and then spent 4 years learning how to practice anesthesia (receiving my doctorate). Don't treat me like I'm a college dropout who went to a technical night school. I deserve respect. Also for much of my residency I was trained by an attending.
Your doctorate in what? Nursing? Guess what that makes you Walczak RN: a nurse.
And by the way, you didn’t do a residency, no matter how much you like using the word to describe your training.
My sister went to four years of college too....to get a degree in economics. Your college education doesn’t mean dick, especially since the prerequisites for nursing school are far fewer than those for medical school. Hell, you don’t even need a bachelors for nursing school!
Does it really only take 5 yrs before going into residency? And drsupersixseven u say the schooling is simple ("do-able")?
phoenixpineapple1 2 months ago
It takes great dedication to become a CRNA? Yeah....right!
It takes an undergraduate nursing degree (which is a joke), and two years of CRNA school (which is also a joke).
DrSuperSixSeven 4 months ago
@DrSuperSixSeven I am assuming you are a doc. I will agree undergrad is a joke but trust me bro...CRNA school is no joke! I can guarantee you we have the hardest program in my school including DO, Pharmacy, PA, PT and opthalmology. If someone is working hard...stop being an ass and accept it! Not everyone has the money, condition or will to be a doctor. And that doesn't mean they CAN'T be one. :)
mrindia1 1 month ago
@mrindia1
A 2 to 2.5 year CRNA program is harder than (osteopathic) medical school? That’s a good one! Dream on, nurse. Dream on. Whatever helps you feel better in the morning.
DrSuperSixSeven 1 month ago
@DrSuperSixSeven Actually you can go on dreaming you are some God. First learn how to do your own job. I go home after work...I go to sleep...you go home after work...I wake your ass up to ask you a question at 3 in the morning. When my Anatomy professor tells me that we have to go through exactly the same neuro portion in 2 weeks instead of 8 weeks for DOs I know what to think. Have fun thinkin you are all that...but your sleep is on a nurses fingertips!
mrindia1 1 month ago
@mrindia1
The fact that you go through neuro in 2 wks rather than 4 means that you SKIM through neuro topics, you dumbshit. That’s why we go to four years of medical school, so that we can study every topic thoroughly.
DrSuperSixSeven 4 weeks ago
@DrSuperSixSeven My brain had the capability to get all that info in 2 weeks than 8 like you Dr. Faggot! You wanna go at it bitch...let me know when you reviewed your neuro anatomy, fucker! I am soo sure you are gonna say "I m a dentist" at the end!
mrindia1 4 weeks ago
Ly having performed the legal steps to becoming a physician. To become a physician you need to score a 3.6 or higher gpa in general and science courses in college, you must get strong reference letters from your professors in college, you must volunteer or have worked in a health related setting. You must score on average 30 or higher on the medical college application test (MCAT), which is a test to determine your aptitude for science coursework, which guarantees your 3.6 from state U meant so
tnobabbott 5 months ago
Civil and criminal penalties for impersonating a doctor. Also a loss of a midlevels privileges and professional ability to maintain their ability to be rehired or be licensed. The old way of turning a blind eye in medicine is over. There is a new breed of physicians trained in both medicine and law who are ready to take the reins from the state and national anesthesia and medical societies who are ready to right the wrongs of midlevels who have tried to assume the role of doctor without actual
tnobabbott 5 months ago
My hospital to produce independent practitioners on orthopedics, but I would most likely lose my hospital privileges and my medical license for doing such a thing. To assume the moniker of "residency" whether any other provider of care in a clinical setting is offended or not is entirely inappropriate and heinous because residency is something governmentally established and produced by the AAMC. To say you went through residency if you are not an MD/DO is criminal fraud, battery, and subject to
tnobabbott 5 months ago
A residency is an educational program approved by the ACGME there are strict educational guidelines and strict governmental parameters the least of which is case logs, but the most important is quality assurance. The residencies available are through ERAS. For example I could not open an orthopedic residency in my hospital without first going through the AAMC. I may feel I have quality PA s that could practice as orthopedic physicians independently and I may want to open a training program at
tnobabbott 5 months ago
If the Nurse Anesthetists were not trained good then I am pretty sure they would have never let them deliver Anesthetia and a lot of people would have said that they were in pain during the surgery and probably sure the Nurse Anesthetist. People just because someone is a doctor does not mean they are smarter in something than a nurse. You should ignore these labels sometimes
myalouis911 6 months ago
@myalouis911
The average doctor is a hell of a lot smarter than the average nurse. You can take that one to the bank. Are there exceptions? Sure. But they are few and far between.
DrSuperSixSeven 1 month ago
@DrSuperSixSeven Actually your level of education has nothing to do with how smart someone is. But yeah there is exceptions.
myalouis911 1 month ago
@myalouis911
No. But generally, you it takes a smarter person to get through medical school and residency than it does to get through nursing school and 2-year CRNA program.
DrSuperSixSeven 4 weeks ago
@DrSuperSixSeven That's nice! I didn't ask for your personal opinion. So STFU and dont reply to my comments. At the end of the day a hospital wouldnt function properly if it only had doctors and no nurses.
myalouis911 4 weeks ago
@DrSuperSixSeven, You are very boastful
LogosTheos 2 weeks ago
Okay for those of you that are being bias between an Anesthesiologist and a Nurse Anesthetist need to read this. An Anesthesiologist(MD) needs 4 years of college,4 years of medical school,1 year intern, and 3-4 years residency. (MD) do not learn anything about delivering anesthetia in college and medical school they really learn that in residency which is 3-4 years. Nurse Anesthetists learn how to deliver anesthetia during their 2-3 years for masters so it's really not a big difference.
myalouis911 6 months ago
@myalouis911
Hey shit-for-brains, yeah, we don’t learn about delivering anesthesia in medical school. Instead, we spent four years learning all about human physiology, human pathology, pharmacology, and every other field of medicine that usually, sometimes, and even once in a while becomes relevant to the delivery of anesthesia. That’s what differentiates an anesthesiologist from a nurse-anesthetist. We know medicine. All nurse-anesthetists know how to do is pump drugs and ACLS.
DrSuperSixSeven 1 month ago
@DrSuperSixSeven let's be real the 4 years of college is pointless to a doctor because all they really need are pre-med courses. Then it's medical school which obviously a doctor needs and residency. So if u look at it nurse anesthetist can do a lot of what the anestihesiologist can do. but of course not everything. Oh and that was rude of you to call me "shit for brains". Dont feel tough just cuz ur a doctor because I bet ur a crappy doctor anyways. i bet no one wants a dr like ur dumb ass
myalouis911 1 month ago
No need to get angry; it's obvious to anyone that a nurse (CRNA) is in no way "equal" to an anesthesiologist(MD)..CRNA are useful physician extenders and if they work under the close supervision of an anesthesiaologist, that can be safe....for carefully selected cases. I love it when CRNA try to argue "facts".......the fact is: most patients want the most qualified anesthesia provider..that means an anesthesiologist..not a nurse (CRNA).......make your own choice
alliedification 6 months ago
@alliedification And again. Quite an ugly opinion you have. I am curious as to what nurse has hurt you in such a way that you seek to bash them on any video possible? I do hope you are not in the medical field, such anger can breed many bad outcomes.
detroitvagabond 3 months ago
@ReneArtoisJR - do a little research. 75% of anesthesia in the US is done by CRNAs, and every shred of evidence (of which there is a LOT) clearly demonstrates that CRNAs are just as safe at providing anesthesia as MD anesthesiologists - not to mention the fact that nurse anesthesia has been around as a recognized profession longer than anesthesiology for MDs!
jrh707 7 months ago
@jrh707
Get your facts straight. 75% of anesthesia is done by CRNAs, but most of that is under the supervision of anesthesiologists. Anesthesiologists are involved in more than 90% of all anesthetics administered in this country.
DrSuperSixSeven 1 month ago
I wouldn't let a CRNA within a mile of me , , , I'm allergic to amateurs . . give me a pro. . a REAL Anaesthesologist or nothing at all ! Of course the bean counters are all in favor of the CRNA as they are cheaper . . keep those costs down and damn patient safety!
ReneArtoisJR 8 months ago
And analfidacation also has a deep seeded hate issues. He claims to be informed yet babbles inaccuracies like there fact. I hope he is not a real practitioner - I don't think he understandes what "evidenced based practice" means; you know, where u apply FACTS to solve the problem.
YouNolesIt 9 months ago
Whoever is moderating this video needs to police up the inappropriate childish rant by some of the posters. Drdeepsixorseven, or whatever his name is, needs to be checked up. Some obvious deep maturity issues being displayed. "My wife says," your kidding me right? Get a hobby!
YouNolesIt 9 months ago
By the way, this video is set in a military healthcare facility. Physician supervision is a joke. P.A.s are more often found than M.D.s, and are the final order approval on everything that doesn't require a consult with a specialist. Also, when CRNAs enter the military, they are put on probation, and shadowed by an anesthesiologist mentor while they work. (Some people call this a "Residency"; however, other elitist snobs disagree saying only doctorate holders can be "Residents")
aklingsporn 9 months ago
@aklingsporn
That’s because only doctorate holders can be residents, you idiot.
That aside, your statement about PAs is factually incorrect. PA’s are never the “final order approval” on anything. By definition, PAs work under the license (and supervision) of doctors. There is no ambiguity whatsoever about this. Anything a PA does technically has to be signed-off by a doctor at some point. And if the PA fucks up, it’s the doctor who is responsible, without exception.
DrSuperSixSeven 1 month ago
Like it or not, advanced practice nurses' scope of practice will continue to expand as long as the cost of educating and employing physicians in those specialties continues to increase. It is simple economics. In fact, there are 16 states whose governors signed legislation opting out of required physician supervision for CRNAs in participating hospitals. Obviously, there are limits on practice, but you get the general idea. Is it the safest option? Maybe not. The most affordable? ABSOLUTELY.
aklingsporn 9 months ago
rant continued: my wife is a physician who teaches at the local university med school. She informs me that nurses (CRNA) do not do residencies and that at her medical center, all CRNA are required to be supervised by anesthesiologists. But she says that some rural and for-profit hospitals do allow CRNA to work solo........dangerous
alliedification 9 months ago
I don't dislike CRNA, but I don't see how anyone can equate an anesthesiologist's 4 years of med school, 4 years of residency to a 4 year nursing degree plus 20 months of nurse anesthetist school-typical for CRNA. CRNA are o.k when directly supervised by an anesthesiologist. Otherwise you have a nurse (CRNA) doing a physician's job and that's dangerous.
alliedification 9 months ago
@alliedification I would just like to point out that you are missing something rather large here. Yes it takes 4+ years to acquire a BSN, this is required to apply to enter a CRNA program. What you fail to understand is each person who applies also has to have at least 2 years of critical care experience. This coupled with a 30+ month program in most cases actually exceeds the time you put forth by quite a bit, 4 years BSN, 2 years critical care, ~3years in anesthesia school.
LosinInIdaho 6 months ago
@LosinInIdaho
Two years of critical care experience? Yeah, as an ICU nurse! LOL. That’s your idea of critical care experience!? ROFL And contrary to popular belief, most ICU patients aren’t on the verge of death. And without exception, ICUs are staffed by physicians who manage these patients and make sure that nurses have orders to follow for patient care. ICU experience, my ass!
Most CRNA programs are 28 months, asshole. Not 30 months.
DrSuperSixSeven 1 month ago
1:35
“Several years of residency”???
Is that what CRNAs are calling their training now? Residency?
Sorry, but “residency” is something doctors go through. Not nurses.
DrSuperSixSeven 1 year ago
@DrSuperSixSeven
actually, you are wrong, if you actually researched, you'd know for a fact that not only doctors do residencies.
runtubefantasy 11 months ago
@DrSuperSixSeven I'm a CRNA. My program was 2.5 years long with a following 1.5 year residency. Residency meaning I was at the hospital probably 70 hours a week with many of my weekday night spent at the hospital. Now as a practicing CRNA, I can say that I've certainly gained the respect of my anesthesiologist co-workers. It is a shame to see doctors like you get caught up in your own arrogance.
NurseWalczak 10 months ago
@NurseWalczak
It really amazes me what lying dirtbags some of you CRNAs are. You have no qualms about misrepresenting your educational background.
“Residency meaning....”??
Residency isn’t just working, Walczak RN. Residency is training closely with an attending physician who teaches the resident everything he knows,. Residency is a form of formal education. Your spending 70 hours in a hospital tubing patients is not a residency. What you have is 1.5 years of work experience, as a CRNA.
DrSuperSixSeven 10 months ago
@DrSuperSixSeven You are one angry person. Get off your high horse. You'll never see me claiming to be a better anesthesia provider than an anesthesiologist; that isn't why I chose this career.I went to college for 4 years, worked in a CICU for 4 years and then spent 4 years learning how to practice anesthesia (receiving my doctorate). Don't treat me like I'm a college dropout who went to a technical night school. I deserve respect. Also for much of my residency I was trained by an attending.
NurseWalczak 10 months ago
@NurseWalczak
Your doctorate in what? Nursing? Guess what that makes you Walczak RN: a nurse.
And by the way, you didn’t do a residency, no matter how much you like using the word to describe your training.
My sister went to four years of college too....to get a degree in economics. Your college education doesn’t mean dick, especially since the prerequisites for nursing school are far fewer than those for medical school. Hell, you don’t even need a bachelors for nursing school!
DrSuperSixSeven 1 month ago
@DrSuperSixSeven And it is Walczak CRNA, DNP not Walczak, RN. Thanks.
NurseWalczak 10 months ago
@NurseWalczak
I see. So what you’re telling me with all those letters behind your name is that you’re a nurse. Got it. Thanks for the clarification.
DrSuperSixSeven 10 months ago
The masters program is approx 36 months straight. There is no 1 year CRNA course.
Also, CRNAs average about 4-5 years of critical care ICU experiences prior to starting being accepted into a CRNA program.
rxis 1 year ago
@rxis
I’m sure they get lots of medical experience carrying out doctors’ orders and adjusting drips on ICU patients.
You guys are really comical!
DrSuperSixSeven 1 year ago
@DrSuperSixSeven Nurses do much more than just carry out orders. It is pointless to argue with you. You are only here to spam.
rxis 10 months ago
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rxis 1 year ago