since when does teaching at a seriously prestigious school make you less Canadian? Big bully Harper... picking on the smart kid? Sorry but I want someone smart ruling my country...sometimes a degree in Economics isnt enough...anyone can get one of those...
Harper is an idiot. He included bringing the constitution home to Canada. This was done by Pierre Trudeau, a Liberal....This ad represents why people hate politics and how childish the leaders of our country are. Iggy being gone for 37 years doesn't make me like him less. Maybe his years abroad would have influenced our diminishing global presence? Aand helped to regain our once great international reputation?
What an absurd ad! As though you are not Canadian if you do not reside in the country. Are Wayne Gretzky or Neil Young not Canadian because they do not live in Canada? I am so sick of this Tory line of thinking. Home is where the heart is. Why not debate what matters to Canadians - a clear vision of our future.
Dude Ignatieff DID grow up in Canada, and the fact he's been studying abroad for 34 years means that he's maybe more educated about what kind of country we should build... The past doesn't matter, only Harper doesn't care about future.
See the thing is, even if you aren't a Tory, and even if you don't like negative attack ads, you can't deny the fact that this is accurate. You can't deny the fact that he was out of the country, he wasn't around, in his "real" home country during these events. You can't deny time, history or fact, and sadly for many of his supporters this montage is 100% accurate.
Unfortunately, your Dear Leader Harper makes Canadians ASHAMED. He stands for the values of the neanderthal Republican Party, cut funding for progressive causes, CUT FUNDING FOR WOMEN'S SHELTERS AND EQUALITY first chance he had!
Harper is a curse on the Canada of LESTER PEARSON (Nobel Peace Winner), TRUDEAU, STANFIELD, CLARK, TOMMY DOUGLAS--Canada under Harper would be filing for bankruptcy for medical bills!
@mikefastener Well yes he makes majority of the Canadians ashamed because he let the world think we are as reactionary and unconscious (as persons) as him. He makes me too ashamed of being Canadian.
@mikefastener Yes, they are so proud of our Prime-minister that Canada has been expulsed from the security council, and that he is the most criticised Prime Minister Canada has ever known. And no, we are not all so proud of him. I told you, you live in your little world.
And they didn't came to ask Harper's opinion. They only came to reunite themselves to talk about world's problems. It has nothing to do with Harper being love, and anyway, he isn't loved at all...
@mikefastener You don't have to be a Liberal to hate Mr.Harper, you know.
Also, him and the majority don't have the same priorities : he is for massive extraction of petrole, he is for the war, (I respect the soldiers, but I don't think we should be in fighting in Middle-East), he is against international developpment (helping poor and/or shity countries), he is for systematical privatization (I'm specifying, ''systematical''), he thinks the global warming doesn't exists, etc.
@Colariboo Interesting in your supposted list of crimes by Mr. Harper. All of them are easily proven false and I will go with Canadian voter's decision on this as poll after poll says he is the best leader! (Even left-wing sponsored polls!)
@mikefastener It's not a list of crimes, I don't not why you think it is... It's just Harper's goals and opinion. They can't be proven false, since they are truth. And no, he is not considered the best leader poll after poll. And, even if it was what polls are stating, it couldn't be taken as trustworthy, because only a small part of the population would've answered these polls. I never heard of such polls, I would've heard of them if most of people thought he is a good or the best leader.
@Colariboo Sorry, but you are pretending to be ignorant! Check out the polls on the internet. Mr. Harper is consistenty rated as the best leader to run Canada. (Considering his opposition, I agree, it is not a high bar to jump!)
@mikefastener I am not ignorant, that is. And you give your questionable and unrelevant polls as proofs, but it's not a proof at all. You don't consider the fact that only a negligible part of the population votes on these polls, you don't consider anything like that and you just use them as an absolute proof. But it's not trustworthy, so why should I believe you? And there is no answer to that, because I shouldn't believe you, because they're nothing but irrelevant.
Frankly, I'm surprised. The cornerstone of conservatism is suspicion of all governments, regardless of political affiliation. (Because no government has ever tried to cover up the truth, right?)
I support the Afghan detainee investigation, simply I'm suspicious of anybody in power. The continued roadblocking from the government either means they are hiding something, or they regard our Parliament with contempt. Either way, we need to have it figured out.
okay i was born and lived in canada my entire life but iwas born in 93 so the only ones in my life (referendum and last 6 years of greatzky) i dont remeber so i must not be a real canadian and btw have you heard of the news
Actually (my foolish friend) you had no choice (and, I don't think you are running to be PM). Iggy quit Canada. His fumbles are for all to see. Right?
okay he left when he was about thirty so he still lived through many events for instance the bill of rights or gordie howe but he also lived in our two best friends who we do massive amounts of trade with wouldn't it be good to have a leader that knows the cultures of these two countries and he knows ours to he has lived here for the past 5 years and he lived here for like 30 before and by the way this was on tv so the conservatives must have been failing in the polls for an attack ad
Actually....I believe the Conservative ads are now being called, "fact ads"...since no lie-beral disagrees with the facts. Just wanted to make that clear...ok?
i haven't heard anyone call them that its probably just conservatives that have said that and it is true but it just makes the truth seem worse then it is
I'm sorry for you; but, you are wrong! The truth is the truth--how to make it seem worse than it is? My non-Conservative friends call the ads, "fact ads" now. Could it be any clearer?
a they do make it seem worse ignatief would have heard of these in the news they fail to mention that and they are saying he is not canadian because he missed those well the only ones i was alive for were the refernedum and the last 6 years of greatzkys careeer and i dont remeber either at all
but still you are suggesting i should never run for pm because i missed these events that were making international headlines and btw the uk and us are our two closest friends now would you rather have someone who knows about their life styles and cultures and will be able to make the friendship grow or someone who knows nothing about them
Uhhhh....you don't seem to be "getting it"! If you stay in this country you want to run for the next 20yrs--yes, you are a worthy candidate. Regarding Iggy, your comment about knowing the US or UK is ridicious! We prefer our PM know about Canada. Why is this so difficult for liberal supporters to understand?
Uhhhh...again, why are you not getting it? Iggy has been out of Canada for 40? years? Answer me-just yes or no--anything else shows you get it; but, support the liberal over all else...is Canada the same country it was when Iggy lived here 40 years ago? Remember, just yes or no!
(BTW you can run in 2yrs--but, you won't be taken seriously...just like Iggy!)
So???? No, "Yes" or "No" answer....says alot does it? lolol
BTW you fell deliciously into a little trap I set (all liberal supporters do). He was gone 34yrs--I said 40 to see if you would correct me. That you took the trouble to argue over a few yrs shows you also thinks it makes a difference!
yes the country has changed and i dont care about a few years but i knew you would and btw no it didnt make a difference because i dont give a shit if he hasnt been here his whole life shouldnt policy determine somthing instead of being here and btw hope this helped is extreamly arrogant its like saying i am definentl right
well i wouldnt want someone lived their entire life away i would care but if they only lived here 5 years i wouldn't care its youtube you are tacking it too literaly and i know i suck at typing and btw hope this helped still arrogant
What part of living outside of Canada means you can't know about it?
Ignatieff has written books about Canada, was born in Canada, raised in Canada, and is a Canadian citizen. He went where the jobs were in his field - the US - just like any other person would.
I wholeheartedly agree with you. I want a PM that cares about Canada too. I'm just asking what proof you have that Michael Ignatieff doesn't care about Canada?
Living outside of the country doesn't mean you don't care about Canada, and trying to claim that he doesn't care just because he lived outside of the country makes absolutely no sense.
Someone who loves the country would accept a lower level position (plenty of university professors in Canada) and help build this country from the inside.
My goodness, Iggy has not even paid Cdn income taxes for over 40 years! What has been his contribution?
(Is there any doubt he will immediately move back to Harvard if we don't make him PM?....really....be honest!)
If, 40 years ago, someone had said "hey, you'll be the leader of the Liberal party," then yes - he should have stayed in the country.
If, however, he was doing like any sane person would do and further his career, then the actions he took are the same as many of us would do.
As for his contribution, you can look no further than his Wikipedia page. University professor, journalist, writer. Born in Toronto. Taught at some of the most respected universities in the world.
No, he likely did not pay income tax for the time he was living outside of Canada.
However, if that's what separates a good leader from a bad one in your books, you need to raise your standards. He's educated, respected around the world, and has illustrated an in-depth knowledge of the country and its people.
And yes, I know this is the internet, but could we please refrain from calling each other names? I'm trying to have a respectful conversation; I would hope you would too.
He could be educated (Hawkings), respected around the world (Dalia Lama); neither of which Cdns would think would be good PMs--even if they were magically made Cdn! Iggy has not illustrated any in-depth knowledge of Canada--you are simply repeating lie-beral propaganda!
You are obviously so in love with the liberals that any leader (Dion?) would be a wonderful leader to you.
Hope I (at least) caused you to look in a mirror and reconsider your bias.
Don't presume that I'm in love with the Liberals. I'm not. However, we need someone who doesn't lead a poisonous and spiteful government, as is Mr. Harper's style. Questioning the loyalty and patriotism of fellow elected members of the house is a new low in our history. (see the "Taliban Jack" comment he made).
You and I are on the same side! This divisive politics, and the name-calling that typically ensues is something I reject for our country. I don't want to import Fox News or Glenn Beck.
Unfortunately, for those that support the liberals--I have a good memory. I remember claims of racism, hidden agenda and some very poison commercials (remember, "soldiers in our streets" that even liberal MP's admitted were disgusting?). Mr. Harper's fact ads are nothing like those low days in Cdn politics and I hope we never return to them....agreed?
Martin, Chretien and Iggy demonstrate the worst in Cdn politics and we need to keep people like this away from the PM's office!
I completely agree with you! But to hold to the line that "they did it, so it's OK if we do it" doesn't hold a whole lot of sway with me. That hasn't worked since kindergarten for me, and Conservatives should hold themselves to higher standards.
Unfortunately, they're falling right back into the same tactics as the Liberals. You didn't like it then, why do you think it's OK now? Do you think that implying anyone in the HoC is a Taliban sympathizer is a good way to govern this country?
Tragically, Cdn voters have only themselves to blame!
They elected lie-beral gov't after lie-beral gov't showing they believed that lie-beral distortions were okay. Mr. Harper is only giving Cdns what they signalled they wanted!
If Cdn's were to signal a new way of doing things--likely, voting a majority for Mr. Harper--then politicians make get the message.
I think I see what's going on here - You think that anyone who has a different opinion than you is "un-Canadian." Ignatieff, me, or other Canadians. That's not a particularly healthy way to look at it, and I think you'll always be disappointed.
We signaled that we wanted him to work within a minority mandate. Twice. He either works with that (a la Pearson) or he gets out of the way and lets someone else lead.
Oh ahankinson...the comment about un-Cdn is so typical of lie-berals! You know it from their history!
So...."work like Peason or ..get out of the way"...one thing you lie-berals need to learn, is that who is PM is the decision of the Canadian public, not you.
Actually, the position of Prime Minister is the decision of the political party, not of the Canadian public. The party elects a leader from its own ranks. If that person then can command a plurality of the votes in the House, they become Prime Minister.
We don't elect the PM, we elect an MP to represent us.
Pooor ahankinson...your lie-beral bias is showing through (why did you try to hide it earlier, unless you are ashamed--no surprise, many lie-berals are). Perhaps you don't understand our political system, by choosing a party we choose a PM.
Since Iggy has been in the US for over 40 years, he is also having problems understanding this!
ahankinson....I'm going to drop this stream. You are obviously a lie-beral hack even though you said you, "have no love for the liberal party".
Anyone that would say that Iggy, after being gone 40 years, "has illustrated an in-depth knowledge of the country and its people"--obviously cares more about the lie-beral party than Canada.
Good luck on finding a weaker opponent next time.
I didn't think you were a really weak opponent! Maybe a little blind and one-sided, but we all have areas where we can improve.
Thanks for the conversation. You've obviously demonstrated a passion for making government work, and hopefully, after improving your conversation skills, we can engage again.
@mikefastener You don't realize you are the one who doesn't understand. You don't see (you don't want to see, that is) that your beloved Harper does what he wants like an emperor, and that, without being the one I will vote for, the Liberal party is still far better than Harper (because, even if we vote for a party theoricaly, the Conservative party is nowadays a one-men party).
Stop looking at us like if we were dumbasses : look at yourself and see what kind of person you are supporting!
@mikefastener Yes, it's quite surprising, but it's true (of course, it's an exageration, even if it's not that much of an exageration...).
And, the Liberals sometimes vote on Conservatives' side because, if they don't, this will force us to go in elections, and a lot of people don't want to go in elections so often because it costs a lot, so, the Liberals, to have their electors not complaining, vote on Conservatives' side. Every party does this, mostly Conservatives and Liberals.
@mikefastener And I didn't say he cares, he doesn't care, like every other politician (well, at least the Conservatives and the Liberals). But they (the politicians) care about how much they will be liked, and when they know they are not really liked, they don't want to go in elections. It's the same thing for everyone.
@mikefastener That's why I said ''politicians'', because it's not only true for the Conservatives and the Liberals. I don't know why you repeated what I just said, because there is nothing questionable about my speech...
@mikefastener I didn't say that. I said that people (not Liberals) don't like elections mostly because, each time, it costs a lot, and it's stressful for everyone, even the population. Next time, quote me correctly.
omg... seriously, did you just call yourself a ''strong opponent''? You remember me of someone in school. He has no friends and no one ever liked him because he is extremely disagreeable and weird, and he has this same kind of cheap and pathetic ''self-esteem''.
@mikefastener No, I wouldn't say it if it was me. You remember me of him, but you're even worst. And look at what people say in your profile, there is something you should understand of what is written. You're just being a troll, grow up a little bit please, stop being so childish, you are a pain in the neck for everyone, and not just to me, look at your profile.
@mikefastener I repeat, again : I don't have a favourite party, looks like it takes time for you to understand that.
In front of me, there is no mirror, there's just the dumb as fuck ignorant you are, ''my friend'' (don't worry, you're not my friend, and that's pretty clear to me!).
I am not voteing for this guy mthe pm we have now is the best we ever had and I will vote for our pm for ever I hate Michael Ignatieff he is so worng for us he left for 34 years to me Michael Ignatieff is not canadina any more cuz he left for 34 years he is not a realy canadina like me I am a realy canadina I hope hegose to back to the usa and never comes back to canada he is so worng for us Michael Ignatieff sucks
But look, I'm not trying to defend Ignatieff. Far from it. The Conservative attack ads are effective for a reason.
Rather, I'm attacking the notion that the Conservatives are 'more Canadian', or that any of the major parties have a right to define themselves thus. They use 'Canadianism' when it is convenient - when American systems are seen in a poor light by voters
I'm defending Canada on its founding Tory principles, not this Americanized neo-conservatism disguised through identity politics.
I truly believe that Cdn's do not believe in corruption! And the lie-berals were shoem to be a very corrupt party by a little inquiry. Therefore, we should ensure that we recognize Cdn's do not want a lie-beral gov't in again. Easy to understand, right?
The Conservatives are not guided by conservatism as a guiding political philosophy, but rather a neo-liberal continentalism. If you want to undermine what makes us Canadian and not simply 'other' North Americans than give the Conservatives a majority government.
IMO, the Liberals should try and attract the Red Tory vote by presenting the Conservatives as such: If Harper had had a majority government in 2000's, Canada would be in Iraq and our banking regulation would be based on the USA.
I'd rather have that than kissing Tamil ass!! Watching our Country get sold out by Trudeau and then getting an immigrant in as Liberal leader is not my definition of Canadian!!
I'm afraid I see absolutely no connection between a Russian / Anglo-Canadian aristocrat like Michael Ignatieff and Tamil protesters in Toronto...
I am basing my view of Canadianism on 'peace, order, and good governance', fundamentally Tory principles of communualism, moderation, and the precautionary principle. You seem to be more interested in race and ethnicity, which frankly I find reprehensible.
Really?? You know what? I kind of wonder if anyone ever notices for example how you can drive through Toronto and see places and in some cases entire blocks of stores that are other languages other than English.I can not tell what they are....nor would I want to go there knowing they only speak their tongue.While in Quebec...They have the right to protect French language. Again to the sole interest of the them, I guess in Ontario it's called Racism !! Is it just me?What about English
But why should Chinatown, or any other ethnically defined neighborhood stand for all of Canada? Torontonians may be a smug lot (after living here for 4 years, this is my impression), but it would be a dark day when the city came to represent the nation as a whole.
And so, what about English? Chinatown is not going to displace the language of the country. Why should every part of the country correspond to a whole?
Personally, I am more concerned about Americanization than multiculturalism.
Ignatief's leadership rivals were quietly using the same "he's an outsider to common Canadians" argument during the first leadership battle he lost to Dion. Trust me - I know.
Conservatives and NDP are wise to continue using this argument against Ignatief.
I love this video showing the major events Ignatief wasn't in Canada for! Excellent job ToryBoy1 - keep 'em coming!
I do trust you. But I am worried that by calling Ignatief less Canadian these ads are going to spur on recent immigrants to vote for him. Are they less Canadian because they've only been here a few years? Maybe, maybe not, but they have one vote just like you and I.
And we therefore have to ensure that our dearly loved and appreciated recent immigrants realize that this ad has nothing to do with them. We need to ensure that the Conservative policies that have been helping immigrants are front and centre in their minds.
They are no less Canadian than you or I, nor did I state that Ignatief is. Simply put, it's his opportunism that doesn't make him the best choice as our amazing country's PM.
Didn't every prime minister have some good fortune and be opportunistic in order to gain power? If Manning and McKay didn't do all the leg work to unite the right, Harper would have never had the opportunity to govern. He seized the opportunity to gain leadership of a new conservative party. Lucky him? Would it not have been more just for McKay to win the leadership?
You can try to confuse it with other events, but you know what, it's just a gut feeling that is starting to become quite evident about this Ignatief guy. He left his country and his kids when his kids were just entering their teenage years. And barely any contact with them according to his ex-wife. So he doesn't come back for his kids, but does come scurrying home when he gets the chance to pick up the reins from Paul Martin's hands.
And oh, by the way, you mentioned that Harper won the leadership over McKay. Key word there is that he WON it, fair and square, and McKay is nothing less than a loyal and excellent member of the team! What did Ignatief do? He lost his battle to Dion first time trying. Then he gets coronated as king without so much as a single vote being cast by the rank and file members of our Liberal party. Disgusting tactics at the top - Bob Rae should never have rolled over on that one.
thats exactly what the Liberals want!!! More Tamils!! More immigrants to fill the ranks at the voting booths!!! Now commy Miller wants to have non Canadians vote in Toronto!!! Must have been a Liberal promise to Miller for that motovation!! Get rid of these unCanadians and give them the boot they deserve!! Ignatieff WHO????
You excatly prove stupidity of this video, the conservatives rather "attack" the liberals at any cost, while running our economy into the group. Steven harper has done nothing for this country, so is it really that great that he didn't "leave" for 34 years. He was born in canada, he went to school here, and now he works here. Using the "Not a canadian" argument is a disgrace to the founding principals of this country, like equality and acceptance. the conservatives are NOT canadian.
@ps3duykur Yes they are. Look, I think they're both morons, but If I had to side I'd go Conservative, just because Liberals want to replace our military's tools with Onions, and they have a decent number of Nazi sympathisers in their ranks. And I don't fancy current abortion policy. And look what happened after the Canadian people unanimously decided Ignatieff wasn't fit for the job; he went back to the USA. Read his book ,Charlie Johnson, you'll know Ignatieff doesn't care.
Iggy is an Opportunist or a Canadian of Convience. There is a huge difference between being an Expat and denouncing your country. Iggy, said he was an American and a Brit, so he clearly is not a patriotic Canadian. Its sad that the Liberal are so dense that they think they can put a non Canadian elitist as our Leader.
And Iggy argues about the economy. The ENTIRE world is in a recession and Canada is coming out of it better than anyone. So Iggy has no claim and he needs to go back to the US.
PATHOLOGICAL "WE AMERICANS" LIEING IS THE ISSUE, more than his 34 years away. That kind of repititious publicly stated lies (hundreds of times) is a classic symptom of psychopathy. Either he is 100% delusional or he thinks the public are complete idiots, take your pick.
He makes me sick. We don't need people who were professors at schools like Harvard, Cambridge and Oxford to run our country. It should be people like me who studied at U of Windsor (it was the only school that accepted me).
Ignatieff is a "Dead Beat Dad"! Just check out our video for the proof. Canadian media are just ignoring it; have you ever heard 1 word about his kids or what kind of a parent he has been? Nope, that's not for the voters to know about. But we have it here on youtube, whether the media likes it or not.
My personal goals are to work abroad for some time. I was born to immigrant parents from India, and I am currently learning to make myself fluent in Japanese. I'd love to work in the USA, in Japan, London, Mumbai, Dubai, Seoul, Hong Kong, or whatnot. I'd like to be an international citizen. You want to know what country taught me that we should all be all working towards being good international citizens? Canada. There's a good reason why we're known as a multicultural society.
Very true. I think an exciting thing about Canada is the direction it's heading as a world leader in internationalism and plurality. I'm from Vancouver where that's felt strongly, and there's a lot to learn from either coming from or living abroad. Most of all, people who immigrate here or live elsewhere get faced with the problems Canada simply doesn't have and can better understand our country. I suspect the people who distrust Ignatieff for his expat days haven't been abroad much themselves.
"Most of all, people who immigrate here or live elsewhere get faced with the problems Canada simply doesn't have and can better understand our country."
Yeah, like how we don't have to deal with Republicans :D
Ignatieff is a "Dead Beat Dad"! Just check out our video for the proof. Canadian media are just ignoring it; have you ever heard 1 word about his kids or what kind of a parent he has been? Nope, that's not for the voters to know about. But we have it here on youtube, whether the media likes it or not.
This is complete and utter poppycock. Ignatieff is Canadian and has been thinking, writing, and talking about Canada the entire time. Because he taught at Cambridge, Oxford, and Harvard, he is less Canadian? Ridiculous!
Too bad the right wing uses the valiant efforts of Mr Fox and Mr Hanson to forward their own agenda instead of trying to find something useful that they did themselves.
Come on, give us those great things that happened during the Reform's time in power.
Well said. Sadly the right's role in Canadian political history has largely been to babysit the country after the liberals lose favour. I suppose they could show an uninspired middle-class couple opening a tax-rebate cheque as two cars sit in their garage (relfecting Conservative accomplishments), but that lacks the flavour and panache of Terry Fox and Gretzky. Maybe they should have included the invention of the telephone as well...
Does your hypocrisy know no bounds? Throughout your comments you use unrelated insults and cries of discrimination to defend your position and that of the left. Come on, give us those great things that happened during the Liberal's/NDP's time in power.
Hypocrisy or ignorance? Which defines you best? You make a point about why a birth certificate is so important and I replied with a simple opinion on why I disagree with it because I am not racist and have no problem with someone of a different race or colour being the leader of a country. Perhaps you just can't read but I will just assume you are replying to someone else or just plain stupid. As for your other comment, all the things in this video happened while Harper was not in power..
A professional athelete's having put a piece of rubber into a net a record number of times has defined our country?
Pretty pathetic. That really goes to show how these ads cater to the lowest common denominator. I'd like to think things like the Charter of Rights and Freedoms/the recent passage of gay marriage rights would make the list, but both were passed by the Liberals. Oops. The Conservatives have a NASCAR, though! Pretty cool...
All three parties should Get off there asses with these stupid ads and get on with the REAL WORK. I don't Care if he came from FN Mars. GET SHIT DONE. Our jobs have been bleeding to Mexico and China. And you wonder why Our economy is in the crapper...
First Party to rip up the FN NAFTA has got my vote.
PATHOLOGICAL "WE AMERICANS" LIEING IS THE ISSUE, more than his 34 years away. That kind of repititious publicly stated lies (hundreds of times) is a classic symptom of psychopathy. Either he is 100% delusional or he thinks the public are complete idiots, take your pick. But don't expect our media to even notice the pathological lieing as being important, they are asleep at the switch big time. Check out our video and judge for yourself
Did you run off to other countries and call them your home just to turn around and come back to be crowned leader? Are you running to be the next Prime Minister?
The next thing people will be doing is analyzing his birth certificate too like in the States where nuts are trying to discredit their President. What is it with the right wing, can't they just try to campaign on their achievements while in power instead of always being so negative and attacking others? Sad state of affairs and a turning of the tide in our political culture...must admit, they are making us more like our cousins to the south. Congrats, there is one great achievement!
I guess you missed the whole Army in the streets campaign the Liberals ran, or their lying about Harper opening up the abortion debate. Yes the Left Wing is so innocent when it comes to attack ads.
Your statements demonstrate that you know little about Americans other than the stereotypical liberal BS you've been spoon-fed. Otherwise, you'd be able to discern the irregularities in the birth certificate Obama posted as proof. His own grandmother said he was not born here. He refused to provide sworn evidence to prove otherwise.
You find it a sad state of affairs just because the truth about Iggy was revealed for all the public to see. I take it you were part of the sponsorship scandal.
I was actually on the payroll with Mulroney which meant I didn't have to pay fair taxes on my income, unlike the rest of Canadians.
As for the birth certificate affair, even if someone was born elsewhere, why does the place of birth matter? Oh yeah, we'd hate to see an immigrant become the President of a "Free" country.
The point here is much the same and must make immigrants proud to call Canada home when we call our own "not Canadian enough".
1. Place of birth matters because the biggest threat to the freedom of any country is from within (its own government) and our forefathers recognized this. Hence the inclusion of Article 2, Section 1 of the Constitution. These laws are provided to prevent infiltration and/or the overthrow of a sovereign nation.
There is also a min age requirement of 35 years. Would you really want to cry age discrimination and have a 16 year old kid running your country?
2. One thing many ppl admire about Canadians is your passive nature. But at the same time, this could be your downfall. There are some in the US gov who wish to annex Canada (to force the NAU issue) by having sympathizers with political clout in Parliament eventually force a (fixed) referendum. If you love your sovereignty, I suggest you look closer at those you elect into Parliament and their associations with specific ppl/groups in the American theatre (CFR etc). Beware the voting machine.
Ahh yes, our "passive" nature. Just like on Animal Planet. You must be one of the more clever Americans who knows there isn't a big waterfall that drops off the face of the universe north of Montana.
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You're right, only children born in American hospitals on American soil (fist pound) can ever grow to be the sorts of people wanted to run the country. Immigrants and their poor huddled masses know nothing about what "liberty" or "freedom" actually means, as they've only experienced the contrast between them and their lack, instead of having learned about the words (properly) like regular American children from the 10 hours of TV they generally watch.
You're right. Many immigrants know little about liberty & freedom, which is why they come to North America in the first place.
Liberal socialism abrogates freedom. ppl like yourself know little about history yet profess to know what is best for the future. Thus you learn nothing from the past and are doomed to repeat those mistakes.
You leftists are, of course, free to continue hugging your trees as they fall on you. Good luck with that.
I like how conveniently you've broken down ambiguous yet complex political notions like "freedom" and "liberalism" into incontingent, absolutist terms. The cautionary aspect is great as well. It's interesting to hear someone from a country that has state which ban dildos talk about "freedom," as it's an issue Americans are paradoxically not all that familiar with.
Also, the Liberal party of Canada is a centralist party, not socialist. Strong business ties with socially progressive policies.
We ban dildos, and you ban clotheslines & electric cars. Playing tit-for-tat to detract attention away from the real issues, seems an odd rebuttal to being careful who you elect.
Either you know nothing of socialism, or are blinded by the mud in which you wallow. "Strong business ties with socially progressive policies" is socialism. And there is nothing "centralist" about carbon taxes, or gay marriage. Whether we agree with them or not is irrelevant. These are not center-aligned policies.
Tell me, do you own a passport? Or are you, like 92% of Americans, wholly informed on the workings of life beyond your borders by what you see on TV, hear in your atrocious education system (35th in world vs Canada's 4th), and piece together from YouTube videos?
I don't think you'd know socialism if it hit you in the head. Wikipedia (or a college education) will help you on that. Also, we have a socialist party; they're called the NDP.
A clear sign of having no rebuttal is resorting to insults. You seem to think that insulting America refutes what Iggy himself has said. Ultimately, you are insulting Iggy who considers himself American.
Evidently you know little about America, or what Iggy has said while living here, and the CCHRP with which he was associated. Yet, like a good lamb, you will blindly follow Iggy without knowing his policies, which he has yet to clearly define for his party. Ignorance is bliss, I suppose.
It's good to hear you admit that the NDP is socialist because they are often in bed together with the Liberals. Isn't it odd that the NDP and Liberals joined forces in an attempt to overthrow the elected gov of Canada. Thus, a vote for Liberal or NDP is essentially a vote for one collective party. Obviously they have more in common than you are willing to acknowledge. And if you depend on Wikipedia for your learning needs, you are seriously limiting your knowledge base.
The NDP undermined the Liberal government by voting with the Conservatives back in 2006, and are rumoured to be in talks with them now regarding the EI bill. Canadian political alliances fluctuate as party necessity changes, though the NDP admittedly share more with a centralist party than the conservatives.
I mentioned wikipedia for your convenience. I know Americans like things fast, cheap, and simple and assumed it would appeal to your, ahem, "discriminating tastes" If not, try Marx.
@EmitRelevart NDP vote more on the Liberals' side than the Conservatives' side for the same reason than me : they are tired of Conservatives' bullshit and projects that don't respect the majority's will (because, remember that, in Canada, there is more people voting for other parties than for the Conservatives, so yes, it is fair that Conservatives get less votes on their side than the other one(s) in the House of Commons.).
1. You brought up the insults to begin with, big fella. I only questioned whether or not you even owned a passport, and I'll assume the answer is no. Europe looks better in Hi-Def, anyway.
2. I've spent lots of time in the US since my girlfriend goes to NYU. The west coast is nice while the east is a cesspool (unless you're rich, and in that case you can afford to move to San Fran). Generally it's 3000km of strip malls and fat people with a big army. Not much to write home about.
Thanks for confirming my statements - you have nothing to contribute to the actual topic, just a bunch of uneducated insults. I'm glad you enjoyed Europe in Hi-Def, as relevant as you think that may be.
I'm a Canadian citizen so I suppose Iggy & I have something in common... we both prefer to live in the US. According to you, that's a good thing, so I should be a shoe-in for PM.
My BA begs to differ, but I'm sure you're much more of a well-read, well-travelled, well-informed individual than myself. Oh wait.
If my comments are uneducated, yours are utter trash, scraped off the net and fried up on YouTube from the comfort of your couch. Check out some of the world then spout criticism on other political systems, and open your mind to varying ideologies while you're at it. You don't have to like Marx just to appreciate his philosophy, as it raises many pressing questions.
Furthermore, Ignatieff lived in the United States for the academic opportunity. I'm not sure what your motivation has been, but I can't imagine an institution of even the remotest distinction adding you to its faculty. My guess is you still live with your parents and went where the fam went (hence the duel citizenship).
As a phil major I'm also obliged to point out that you'd make Voltaire sick. I'm sure you got that trite quote from the net though, rather than from actually reading his works.
You see, I don't have a problem with a Prime Minister being black or an immigrant. I realize the birth certificate issue is silly and a convenient way to hide ones racism. I'm first generation Canadian so perhaps I'm more open minded about such things than you. I know of many people who care passionately about their Canada and they were not born here. It doesn't make them less Canadian & it should'nt prevent them from running our country if elected. Rather that than the village idiot like Bush.
Again, when you insult Americans, you are insulting your beloved Iggy. So your strategy is very convoluted.
Are you trying to admit you are a closet racist? Following the law has nothing to do with black & white, yet as is typical of a liberal, you are trying to make it a race issue. Obviously the majority of Americans are not racist because we elected a black President. To use your logic - If you have no problem with skin color, then where is your black PM?
What does being black or immigrant have to do with Iggy? He is neither. If you actually had a logical rebuttal, you'd comment on the topic at hand which is Iggy's allegiance (or lack thereof) to Canada and the fact that he has said that he will return to the US if not elected PM. Again, I suggest you read what he has said. However, it seems you & thrill wish to avoid doing so because it would contradict your statements and position. Unrelated insults is not a refutation.
I don't recall him "running" at all (implying he fled). He left to persue his academic career at some of the most renowned universities in the world and has remained a prominent figure in the Canadian literary canon for a while now. It's a shame some people are so provincial that they believe someone needs to spend her or his entire life in a country to legitimately represent it. I think Ignatieff's cosmopolitanism is something to flaunt, not defend.
And so.... ? Still no defining moments during Harper's reign.... All he can do is attack ads which is getting tiresome. He should run a more positive campaign, one based on his record and achievements instead of constantly attacking others and pitting region against region. I initially supported and voted for Harper but his negative campaigns and divisive policies sicken me. His Karl Rove approach to campaigning, you have to admit is very "uncanadian".
Ignatieff likes to think he's American and says if he doesn't get elected he will return to Harvard. Clearly he is only in Canada to be PM and if that fails, he'll return to the US. Sounds like a plant to me.
Perhaps you'd better elect him PM because we sure don't want him back in America.
He does sound like a plant. I heard he has branches and leaves and uproots sidewalks... WHICH THE DISABLED USE.
Put that in an attack ad.
And you're right, having him back in America is a terrible idea, the last thing that place needs is another well-read left-leaning academic. Are they still called "pinko commie scum" these days, or have you integrated the whole terrorist thing into accusations against liberals as well? I heard he was gay, too, but shhhh! Don't tell the South.
since when does teaching at a seriously prestigious school make you less Canadian? Big bully Harper... picking on the smart kid? Sorry but I want someone smart ruling my country...sometimes a degree in Economics isnt enough...anyone can get one of those...
ssizzlejr 8 months ago
@ssizzlejr LMAO!!!
Since when do you not need to be smart to get a master's degree in economics?
At least economics is a field a prime minister needs to be educated in...unlike HISTORY
patrick43215 4 months ago
@patrick43215 You don't need an education in economics to be a prime minister. You just need an education in politics.
Harper believes firmly in the power of fear, and it worked like a charm.
AllRequired 3 months ago
"Friendly" Dictators also make us Canadian.
TORNELLcello 8 months ago
Harper is an idiot. He included bringing the constitution home to Canada. This was done by Pierre Trudeau, a Liberal....This ad represents why people hate politics and how childish the leaders of our country are. Iggy being gone for 37 years doesn't make me like him less. Maybe his years abroad would have influenced our diminishing global presence? Aand helped to regain our once great international reputation?
MrHanzle 8 months ago
and harper lie and broke democracy how many times?
tadanorm 8 months ago
Holy shit LOST music at the end?
Pepsicoke33 8 months ago
hahahaah! i love it!
bobbhy01 10 months ago
What an absurd ad! As though you are not Canadian if you do not reside in the country. Are Wayne Gretzky or Neil Young not Canadian because they do not live in Canada? I am so sick of this Tory line of thinking. Home is where the heart is. Why not debate what matters to Canadians - a clear vision of our future.
MsSandrajoy 10 months ago
Ignatieff's problem isnt being Canadian or not....
Its having political experience and wisdom.......HE HAS NONE. Except a leadership convention he lost.
00Billy 10 months ago
Dude Ignatieff DID grow up in Canada, and the fact he's been studying abroad for 34 years means that he's maybe more educated about what kind of country we should build... The past doesn't matter, only Harper doesn't care about future.
sonic2277 10 months ago
What makes you Canadian? PLENTY, SELF-LOATHING, HATING AMERICA FOR SIMPLY EXISTING AND HIGH TAXES.
Kryptonian250 1 year ago
The only person Michael Ignatieff will stand his ground for is himself. This little roadtrip of his doesn't surprise me one bit!
watchop 1 year ago
See the thing is, even if you aren't a Tory, and even if you don't like negative attack ads, you can't deny the fact that this is accurate. You can't deny the fact that he was out of the country, he wasn't around, in his "real" home country during these events. You can't deny time, history or fact, and sadly for many of his supporters this montage is 100% accurate.
Cnd1867 1 year ago
I'll tell you what else makes us Canadian....
Ridiculously high taxes, that's what....
novaheart7 1 year ago 7
Unfortunately, your Dear Leader Harper makes Canadians ASHAMED. He stands for the values of the neanderthal Republican Party, cut funding for progressive causes, CUT FUNDING FOR WOMEN'S SHELTERS AND EQUALITY first chance he had!
Harper is a curse on the Canada of LESTER PEARSON (Nobel Peace Winner), TRUDEAU, STANFIELD, CLARK, TOMMY DOUGLAS--Canada under Harper would be filing for bankruptcy for medical bills!
Veltanschaung 1 year ago
Time to get a new keyboard Veltanslang!
You "caps" key keeps sticking!!!
lolol
Oh, you didn't mention Chreiten....leader of the corruption party--the biggest corruption scandal in Canadian history.
Didn't want to look too far, did you?
I understand Mr. Harper is now funding the, "Real Women" group...a true representation of Cdn women...I'm sure you agree this was the right decision!
Just wondering....
PS-Cdn never felt more ashamed than during the lie-beral corruption scandal.
mikefastener 1 year ago
@mikefastener Well yes he makes majority of the Canadians ashamed because he let the world think we are as reactionary and unconscious (as persons) as him. He makes me too ashamed of being Canadian.
Colariboo 1 year ago
@Colariboo We are all so proud to have Mr. Harper as our Prime Minister.
Otherwise, why were world leaders coming to Canada to ask his advice?
Just wondering....
mikefastener 1 year ago
@mikefastener Yes, they are so proud of our Prime-minister that Canada has been expulsed from the security council, and that he is the most criticised Prime Minister Canada has ever known. And no, we are not all so proud of him. I told you, you live in your little world.
And they didn't came to ask Harper's opinion. They only came to reunite themselves to talk about world's problems. It has nothing to do with Harper being love, and anyway, he isn't loved at all...
Colariboo 1 year ago
@Colariboo There are many liberal supporters angry at Mr. Harper's success--you sound like one of them!
I'm proud we have a PM who will take a stand and not play footsy with dictators or terrorists--aren't you?
With Canada's performance under Mr. Harper being the best in the G7--you are living in a fantasy world if think they didn't ask for his advice.
Hope I clarified things for you.
mikefastener 1 year ago
@mikefastener You don't have to be a Liberal to hate Mr.Harper, you know.
Also, him and the majority don't have the same priorities : he is for massive extraction of petrole, he is for the war, (I respect the soldiers, but I don't think we should be in fighting in Middle-East), he is against international developpment (helping poor and/or shity countries), he is for systematical privatization (I'm specifying, ''systematical''), he thinks the global warming doesn't exists, etc.
Colariboo 1 year ago
@Colariboo Interesting in your supposted list of crimes by Mr. Harper. All of them are easily proven false and I will go with Canadian voter's decision on this as poll after poll says he is the best leader! (Even left-wing sponsored polls!)
mikefastener 1 year ago
@mikefastener It's not a list of crimes, I don't not why you think it is... It's just Harper's goals and opinion. They can't be proven false, since they are truth. And no, he is not considered the best leader poll after poll. And, even if it was what polls are stating, it couldn't be taken as trustworthy, because only a small part of the population would've answered these polls. I never heard of such polls, I would've heard of them if most of people thought he is a good or the best leader.
Colariboo 1 year ago
@Colariboo Sorry, but you are pretending to be ignorant! Check out the polls on the internet. Mr. Harper is consistenty rated as the best leader to run Canada. (Considering his opposition, I agree, it is not a high bar to jump!)
mikefastener 1 year ago
@mikefastener I am not ignorant, that is. And you give your questionable and unrelevant polls as proofs, but it's not a proof at all. You don't consider the fact that only a negligible part of the population votes on these polls, you don't consider anything like that and you just use them as an absolute proof. But it's not trustworthy, so why should I believe you? And there is no answer to that, because I shouldn't believe you, because they're nothing but irrelevant.
Colariboo 1 year ago
@Colariboo Wow! Read you post again...you sound incoherent!
mikefastener 1 year ago
@mikefastener Read my post again, you didn't get it.
Colariboo 1 year ago
Frankly, I'm surprised. The cornerstone of conservatism is suspicion of all governments, regardless of political affiliation. (Because no government has ever tried to cover up the truth, right?)
I support the Afghan detainee investigation, simply I'm suspicious of anybody in power. The continued roadblocking from the government either means they are hiding something, or they regard our Parliament with contempt. Either way, we need to have it figured out.
ahankinson 2 years ago
okay i was born and lived in canada my entire life but iwas born in 93 so the only ones in my life (referendum and last 6 years of greatzky) i dont remeber so i must not be a real canadian and btw have you heard of the news
893160007 2 years ago
Actually (my foolish friend) you had no choice (and, I don't think you are running to be PM). Iggy quit Canada. His fumbles are for all to see. Right?
mikefastener 2 years ago
I'm not sure why the 1995 Quebec Referendum is something to be proud of as a Canadian? It was barely won by difference of 50,000 votes.
christopherkreid 2 years ago
Agreed! (Another lie-beal fumble!)
mikefastener 2 years ago
okay he left when he was about thirty so he still lived through many events for instance the bill of rights or gordie howe but he also lived in our two best friends who we do massive amounts of trade with wouldn't it be good to have a leader that knows the cultures of these two countries and he knows ours to he has lived here for the past 5 years and he lived here for like 30 before and by the way this was on tv so the conservatives must have been failing in the polls for an attack ad
893160007 2 years ago
Actually....I believe the Conservative ads are now being called, "fact ads"...since no lie-beral disagrees with the facts. Just wanted to make that clear...ok?
mikefastener 2 years ago
i haven't heard anyone call them that its probably just conservatives that have said that and it is true but it just makes the truth seem worse then it is
893160007 2 years ago
I'm sorry for you; but, you are wrong! The truth is the truth--how to make it seem worse than it is? My non-Conservative friends call the ads, "fact ads" now. Could it be any clearer?
mikefastener 2 years ago
a they do make it seem worse ignatief would have heard of these in the news they fail to mention that and they are saying he is not canadian because he missed those well the only ones i was alive for were the refernedum and the last 6 years of greatzkys careeer and i dont remeber either at all
893160007 2 years ago
Again, you are not running to be PM. Long absent Iggy is!
mikefastener 2 years ago
but still you are suggesting i should never run for pm because i missed these events that were making international headlines and btw the uk and us are our two closest friends now would you rather have someone who knows about their life styles and cultures and will be able to make the friendship grow or someone who knows nothing about them
893160007 2 years ago
Uhhhh....you don't seem to be "getting it"! If you stay in this country you want to run for the next 20yrs--yes, you are a worthy candidate. Regarding Iggy, your comment about knowing the US or UK is ridicious! We prefer our PM know about Canada. Why is this so difficult for liberal supporters to understand?
mikefastener 2 years ago
so he lived in canada for over 30 years so he knows us to but what if want to run in 2 years i cant because nothing big happened in my life
893160007 2 years ago
Uhhhh...again, why are you not getting it? Iggy has been out of Canada for 40? years? Answer me-just yes or no--anything else shows you get it; but, support the liberal over all else...is Canada the same country it was when Iggy lived here 40 years ago? Remember, just yes or no!
(BTW you can run in 2yrs--but, you won't be taken seriously...just like Iggy!)
mikefastener 2 years ago
btw you are wrong he wasnt even gone for 30 years and who gives a shit i think he would do good not being here means nothing
893160007 2 years ago
So???? No, "Yes" or "No" answer....says alot does it? lolol
BTW you fell deliciously into a little trap I set (all liberal supporters do). He was gone 34yrs--I said 40 to see if you would correct me. That you took the trouble to argue over a few yrs shows you also thinks it makes a difference!
Hope this helped you!
mikefastener 2 years ago
yes the country has changed and i dont care about a few years but i knew you would and btw no it didnt make a difference because i dont give a shit if he hasnt been here his whole life shouldnt policy determine somthing instead of being here and btw hope this helped is extreamly arrogant its like saying i am definentl right
893160007 2 years ago
You said you, "dont care about a few years" which implies that YOU do care about a lot of years! (Another stumble on your part.)
You might want to do a spell check on future postings—grammar could also use some work.
Hope this helped you!
mikefastener 2 years ago
well i wouldnt want someone lived their entire life away i would care but if they only lived here 5 years i wouldn't care its youtube you are tacking it too literaly and i know i suck at typing and btw hope this helped still arrogant
893160007 2 years ago
Hope I helped you!
mikefastener 2 years ago
What part of living outside of Canada means you can't know about it?
Ignatieff has written books about Canada, was born in Canada, raised in Canada, and is a Canadian citizen. He went where the jobs were in his field - the US - just like any other person would.
ahankinson 2 years ago
I want a PM that cares about Canada; not, someone who is, "Just visiting". Agreed?
mikefastener 2 years ago
I wholeheartedly agree with you. I want a PM that cares about Canada too. I'm just asking what proof you have that Michael Ignatieff doesn't care about Canada?
Living outside of the country doesn't mean you don't care about Canada, and trying to claim that he doesn't care just because he lived outside of the country makes absolutely no sense.
ahankinson 2 years ago
ahankinson....I must disagree with you!
Someone who loves the country would accept a lower level position (plenty of university professors in Canada) and help build this country from the inside.
My goodness, Iggy has not even paid Cdn income taxes for over 40 years! What has been his contribution?
(Is there any doubt he will immediately move back to Harvard if we don't make him PM?....really....be honest!)
mikefastener 2 years ago
If, 40 years ago, someone had said "hey, you'll be the leader of the Liberal party," then yes - he should have stayed in the country.
If, however, he was doing like any sane person would do and further his career, then the actions he took are the same as many of us would do.
As for his contribution, you can look no further than his Wikipedia page. University professor, journalist, writer. Born in Toronto. Taught at some of the most respected universities in the world.
ahankinson 2 years ago
ahankinson....your lie-beral bias shows through!
So, he should only have stayed in Canada if he thought he'd be leader of the lie-beral party? I guess love of Canada is not enough in your books!
Contribution...I'm sure he contributed to his own bank account with these positions. Do you agree he did not pay Canadian taxes for this...40 years?
Yes or No.
mikefastener 2 years ago
No, he likely did not pay income tax for the time he was living outside of Canada.
However, if that's what separates a good leader from a bad one in your books, you need to raise your standards. He's educated, respected around the world, and has illustrated an in-depth knowledge of the country and its people.
And yes, I know this is the internet, but could we please refrain from calling each other names? I'm trying to have a respectful conversation; I would hope you would too.
ahankinson 2 years ago
I ask that you then drop your own bias.
He could be educated (Hawkings), respected around the world (Dalia Lama); neither of which Cdns would think would be good PMs--even if they were magically made Cdn! Iggy has not illustrated any in-depth knowledge of Canada--you are simply repeating lie-beral propaganda!
You are obviously so in love with the liberals that any leader (Dion?) would be a wonderful leader to you.
Hope I (at least) caused you to look in a mirror and reconsider your bias.
mikefastener 2 years ago
Don't presume that I'm in love with the Liberals. I'm not. However, we need someone who doesn't lead a poisonous and spiteful government, as is Mr. Harper's style. Questioning the loyalty and patriotism of fellow elected members of the house is a new low in our history. (see the "Taliban Jack" comment he made).
You and I are on the same side! This divisive politics, and the name-calling that typically ensues is something I reject for our country. I don't want to import Fox News or Glenn Beck.
ahankinson 2 years ago
Unfortunately, for those that support the liberals--I have a good memory. I remember claims of racism, hidden agenda and some very poison commercials (remember, "soldiers in our streets" that even liberal MP's admitted were disgusting?). Mr. Harper's fact ads are nothing like those low days in Cdn politics and I hope we never return to them....agreed?
Martin, Chretien and Iggy demonstrate the worst in Cdn politics and we need to keep people like this away from the PM's office!
mikefastener 2 years ago
I completely agree with you! But to hold to the line that "they did it, so it's OK if we do it" doesn't hold a whole lot of sway with me. That hasn't worked since kindergarten for me, and Conservatives should hold themselves to higher standards.
Unfortunately, they're falling right back into the same tactics as the Liberals. You didn't like it then, why do you think it's OK now? Do you think that implying anyone in the HoC is a Taliban sympathizer is a good way to govern this country?
ahankinson 2 years ago
Tragically, Cdn voters have only themselves to blame!
They elected lie-beral gov't after lie-beral gov't showing they believed that lie-beral distortions were okay. Mr. Harper is only giving Cdns what they signalled they wanted!
If Cdn's were to signal a new way of doing things--likely, voting a majority for Mr. Harper--then politicians make get the message.
Until then, business as usual!
Thank you Canadians!!!
mikefastener 2 years ago
I think I see what's going on here - You think that anyone who has a different opinion than you is "un-Canadian." Ignatieff, me, or other Canadians. That's not a particularly healthy way to look at it, and I think you'll always be disappointed.
We signaled that we wanted him to work within a minority mandate. Twice. He either works with that (a la Pearson) or he gets out of the way and lets someone else lead.
ahankinson 2 years ago
Oh ahankinson...the comment about un-Cdn is so typical of lie-berals! You know it from their history!
So...."work like Peason or ..get out of the way"...one thing you lie-berals need to learn, is that who is PM is the decision of the Canadian public, not you.
Hope I helped you!
mikefastener 2 years ago
Actually, the position of Prime Minister is the decision of the political party, not of the Canadian public. The party elects a leader from its own ranks. If that person then can command a plurality of the votes in the House, they become Prime Minister.
We don't elect the PM, we elect an MP to represent us.
Hope I helped you too!
ahankinson 2 years ago
Pooor ahankinson...your lie-beral bias is showing through (why did you try to hide it earlier, unless you are ashamed--no surprise, many lie-berals are). Perhaps you don't understand our political system, by choosing a party we choose a PM.
Since Iggy has been in the US for over 40 years, he is also having problems understanding this!
I know I helped you!
mikefastener 2 years ago
@ahankinson Unfortunatly, it looks like mikefastener doesn't understand that :/
Colariboo 1 year ago
@Colariboo Sorry, my friend--you seem confused as world leaders ask Mr. Harper's advice.
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mikefastener 1 year ago
@mikefastener They didn't.
Colariboo 1 year ago
@Colariboo Maybe in a liberal dream world--you hope they didn't.
mikefastener 1 year ago
@mikefastener There is no ''liberal dream world'' in which they didn't. They just didn't, in reality.
Colariboo 1 year ago
ahankinson....I'm going to drop this stream. You are obviously a lie-beral hack even though you said you, "have no love for the liberal party".
Anyone that would say that Iggy, after being gone 40 years, "has illustrated an in-depth knowledge of the country and its people"--obviously cares more about the lie-beral party than Canada.
Good luck on finding a weaker opponent next time.
Know I helped you!!!
mikefastener 1 year ago
I didn't think you were a really weak opponent! Maybe a little blind and one-sided, but we all have areas where we can improve.
Thanks for the conversation. You've obviously demonstrated a passion for making government work, and hopefully, after improving your conversation skills, we can engage again.
ahankinson 1 year ago
Thank you--and agreed! As said, re-post once you put Canada ahead of the liberal party, it should be an interesting conversation.
mikefastener 1 year ago
@mikefastener You don't realize you are the one who doesn't understand. You don't see (you don't want to see, that is) that your beloved Harper does what he wants like an emperor, and that, without being the one I will vote for, the Liberal party is still far better than Harper (because, even if we vote for a party theoricaly, the Conservative party is nowadays a one-men party).
Stop looking at us like if we were dumbasses : look at yourself and see what kind of person you are supporting!
Colariboo 1 year ago
@Colariboo Wow! So confusing (on your part). Hard to understand an emperor in a minority gov't!!!
I guess, Iffy, must believe Mr. Harper is doing a good job; otherwise, Iffy would vote him out! Correct?
(Unless, after 42 years, Iffy does not understand Canadians! What do you think?)
mikefastener 1 year ago
@mikefastener Yes, it's quite surprising, but it's true (of course, it's an exageration, even if it's not that much of an exageration...).
And, the Liberals sometimes vote on Conservatives' side because, if they don't, this will force us to go in elections, and a lot of people don't want to go in elections so often because it costs a lot, so, the Liberals, to have their electors not complaining, vote on Conservatives' side. Every party does this, mostly Conservatives and Liberals.
Colariboo 1 year ago
@Colariboo If the Conservatives were doing a terrible job, then Iffy would vote non-confidence in a heart beat!
He knows he would lose. Him being out of Canada for 42 years means he does not understand the country.
Make no mistake, with Iggy's well know, lust for power--he could not care less about the cost of an election to Canadian taxpayers.
mikefastener 1 year ago
@mikefastener And I didn't say he cares, he doesn't care, like every other politician (well, at least the Conservatives and the Liberals). But they (the politicians) care about how much they will be liked, and when they know they are not really liked, they don't want to go in elections. It's the same thing for everyone.
Colariboo 1 year ago
@Colariboo Every politician wants an election when they think they can win!
mikefastener 1 year ago
@mikefastener That's why I said ''politicians'', because it's not only true for the Conservatives and the Liberals. I don't know why you repeated what I just said, because there is nothing questionable about my speech...
Colariboo 1 year ago
@Colariboo You assumed that Iggy would not call an election because of the cost to the Canadian taxpayers.
I simply corrected you---what is the issue?
(Sorry, you may have never debated such a strong opponent as me.)
mikefastener 1 year ago
@mikefastener I didn't say that. I said that people (not Liberals) don't like elections mostly because, each time, it costs a lot, and it's stressful for everyone, even the population. Next time, quote me correctly.
omg... seriously, did you just call yourself a ''strong opponent''? You remember me of someone in school. He has no friends and no one ever liked him because he is extremely disagreeable and weird, and he has this same kind of cheap and pathetic ''self-esteem''.
Colariboo 1 year ago
@Colariboo Sadly, that individual you described in school was You, wasn't it?
mikefastener 1 year ago
@mikefastener No, I wouldn't say it if it was me. You remember me of him, but you're even worst. And look at what people say in your profile, there is something you should understand of what is written. You're just being a troll, grow up a little bit please, stop being so childish, you are a pain in the neck for everyone, and not just to me, look at your profile.
Colariboo 1 year ago
@Colariboo Poor Colariboo--good luck in the next federal election!
(Maybe by then, you will Stand up for Canada--rather than Standing up for a Specific Political party.)
Hope I caused you to look in a mirror.
mikefastener 1 year ago
@mikefastener I repeat, again : I don't have a favourite party, looks like it takes time for you to understand that.
In front of me, there is no mirror, there's just the dumb as fuck ignorant you are, ''my friend'' (don't worry, you're not my friend, and that's pretty clear to me!).
Colariboo 1 year ago
@Colariboo Unlike, left-wingers (who are always seeking an enemy they can be victim to and ask for money from others) I consider everyone my friend!
So---follow your party's weirdo half truths and falsehoods about Mr. Harper.
But, at least I know he (and me) will Stand up for Canada ahead of any political beliefs.
And you........?
You seem to have trouble answering this simple question after 5 posts...
Oh well, we all get the idea by your hesitation....thank you.
mikefastener 1 year ago
I am not voteing for this guy mthe pm we have now is the best we ever had and I will vote for our pm for ever I hate Michael Ignatieff he is so worng for us he left for 34 years to me Michael Ignatieff is not canadina any more cuz he left for 34 years he is not a realy canadina like me I am a realy canadina I hope hegose to back to the usa and never comes back to canada he is so worng for us Michael Ignatieff sucks
watchop 2 years ago
Watch " Michael Ignatieff Caught On Tape " and "Michael Ignatieff Dead Beat Dad " to see what the media are keeping secret.
TruthThroughResearch 2 years ago
But look, I'm not trying to defend Ignatieff. Far from it. The Conservative attack ads are effective for a reason.
Rather, I'm attacking the notion that the Conservatives are 'more Canadian', or that any of the major parties have a right to define themselves thus. They use 'Canadianism' when it is convenient - when American systems are seen in a poor light by voters
I'm defending Canada on its founding Tory principles, not this Americanized neo-conservatism disguised through identity politics.
OgallalaKnowhow 2 years ago
I truly believe that Cdn's do not believe in corruption! And the lie-berals were shoem to be a very corrupt party by a little inquiry. Therefore, we should ensure that we recognize Cdn's do not want a lie-beral gov't in again. Easy to understand, right?
mikefastener 2 years ago
Iggy has most of the classic symptoms of psychopathy.
Check it out.
LiberalCanadian 2 years ago
The Conservatives are not guided by conservatism as a guiding political philosophy, but rather a neo-liberal continentalism. If you want to undermine what makes us Canadian and not simply 'other' North Americans than give the Conservatives a majority government.
IMO, the Liberals should try and attract the Red Tory vote by presenting the Conservatives as such: If Harper had had a majority government in 2000's, Canada would be in Iraq and our banking regulation would be based on the USA.
OgallalaKnowhow 2 years ago
I'd rather have that than kissing Tamil ass!! Watching our Country get sold out by Trudeau and then getting an immigrant in as Liberal leader is not my definition of Canadian!!
eatmeskivys 2 years ago
I'm afraid I see absolutely no connection between a Russian / Anglo-Canadian aristocrat like Michael Ignatieff and Tamil protesters in Toronto...
I am basing my view of Canadianism on 'peace, order, and good governance', fundamentally Tory principles of communualism, moderation, and the precautionary principle. You seem to be more interested in race and ethnicity, which frankly I find reprehensible.
OgallalaKnowhow 2 years ago
Really?? You know what? I kind of wonder if anyone ever notices for example how you can drive through Toronto and see places and in some cases entire blocks of stores that are other languages other than English.I can not tell what they are....nor would I want to go there knowing they only speak their tongue.While in Quebec...They have the right to protect French language. Again to the sole interest of the them, I guess in Ontario it's called Racism !! Is it just me?What about English
eatmeskivys 2 years ago
But why should Chinatown, or any other ethnically defined neighborhood stand for all of Canada? Torontonians may be a smug lot (after living here for 4 years, this is my impression), but it would be a dark day when the city came to represent the nation as a whole.
And so, what about English? Chinatown is not going to displace the language of the country. Why should every part of the country correspond to a whole?
Personally, I am more concerned about Americanization than multiculturalism.
OgallalaKnowhow 2 years ago
Good Point, But the damage is done in that area and the week businesses left will fall prey to foreign interests.
eatmeskivys 2 years ago
Even the negative aspects of your society have to be American? hahah get an identity loser.
gingeralexis 2 years ago
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OgallalaKnowhow 2 years ago
Ignatief's leadership rivals were quietly using the same "he's an outsider to common Canadians" argument during the first leadership battle he lost to Dion. Trust me - I know.
Conservatives and NDP are wise to continue using this argument against Ignatief.
I love this video showing the major events Ignatief wasn't in Canada for! Excellent job ToryBoy1 - keep 'em coming!
senftours 2 years ago
I do trust you. But I am worried that by calling Ignatief less Canadian these ads are going to spur on recent immigrants to vote for him. Are they less Canadian because they've only been here a few years? Maybe, maybe not, but they have one vote just like you and I.
scooter80stv 2 years ago
And we therefore have to ensure that our dearly loved and appreciated recent immigrants realize that this ad has nothing to do with them. We need to ensure that the Conservative policies that have been helping immigrants are front and centre in their minds.
They are no less Canadian than you or I, nor did I state that Ignatief is. Simply put, it's his opportunism that doesn't make him the best choice as our amazing country's PM.
senftours 2 years ago
Didn't every prime minister have some good fortune and be opportunistic in order to gain power? If Manning and McKay didn't do all the leg work to unite the right, Harper would have never had the opportunity to govern. He seized the opportunity to gain leadership of a new conservative party. Lucky him? Would it not have been more just for McKay to win the leadership?
scooter80stv 2 years ago
You can try to confuse it with other events, but you know what, it's just a gut feeling that is starting to become quite evident about this Ignatief guy. He left his country and his kids when his kids were just entering their teenage years. And barely any contact with them according to his ex-wife. So he doesn't come back for his kids, but does come scurrying home when he gets the chance to pick up the reins from Paul Martin's hands.
senftours 2 years ago
And oh, by the way, you mentioned that Harper won the leadership over McKay. Key word there is that he WON it, fair and square, and McKay is nothing less than a loyal and excellent member of the team! What did Ignatief do? He lost his battle to Dion first time trying. Then he gets coronated as king without so much as a single vote being cast by the rank and file members of our Liberal party. Disgusting tactics at the top - Bob Rae should never have rolled over on that one.
senftours 2 years ago
thats exactly what the Liberals want!!! More Tamils!! More immigrants to fill the ranks at the voting booths!!! Now commy Miller wants to have non Canadians vote in Toronto!!! Must have been a Liberal promise to Miller for that motovation!! Get rid of these unCanadians and give them the boot they deserve!! Ignatieff WHO????
eatmeskivys 2 years ago
You excatly prove stupidity of this video, the conservatives rather "attack" the liberals at any cost, while running our economy into the group. Steven harper has done nothing for this country, so is it really that great that he didn't "leave" for 34 years. He was born in canada, he went to school here, and now he works here. Using the "Not a canadian" argument is a disgrace to the founding principals of this country, like equality and acceptance. the conservatives are NOT canadian.
ps3duykur 2 years ago 12
@ps3duykur Yes they are. Look, I think they're both morons, but If I had to side I'd go Conservative, just because Liberals want to replace our military's tools with Onions, and they have a decent number of Nazi sympathisers in their ranks. And I don't fancy current abortion policy. And look what happened after the Canadian people unanimously decided Ignatieff wasn't fit for the job; he went back to the USA. Read his book ,Charlie Johnson, you'll know Ignatieff doesn't care.
canuckleful 7 months ago
Iggy is an Opportunist or a Canadian of Convience. There is a huge difference between being an Expat and denouncing your country. Iggy, said he was an American and a Brit, so he clearly is not a patriotic Canadian. Its sad that the Liberal are so dense that they think they can put a non Canadian elitist as our Leader.
And Iggy argues about the economy. The ENTIRE world is in a recession and Canada is coming out of it better than anyone. So Iggy has no claim and he needs to go back to the US.
YHChickita 2 years ago
PATHOLOGICAL "WE AMERICANS" LIEING IS THE ISSUE, more than his 34 years away. That kind of repititious publicly stated lies (hundreds of times) is a classic symptom of psychopathy. Either he is 100% delusional or he thinks the public are complete idiots, take your pick.
TruthThroughResearch 2 years ago
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TheToryBoy1 2 years ago
He makes me sick. We don't need people who were professors at schools like Harvard, Cambridge and Oxford to run our country. It should be people like me who studied at U of Windsor (it was the only school that accepted me).
scooter80stv 2 years ago
He was not in Canada, because he no longer considered himself Canadian.
Very good ad.
Take note Warren Kinsella.
newtonbrook 2 years ago 2
1980: Pierre Trudeau is PM, he saves confederation in the Quebec Referendum
1982: Patriation, Trudeau does it again
1995 Quebec: Again, this one goes all to the Liberals and Chretien
1979-1999: Liberals are in charge for 13 of those years.
The Liberals did ALL of this, while Harper was out in Calgary compaining about the NEP.
Steven Harper's Conservatives: Making it up as They Go Along
polboy13 2 years ago
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Canadian2009able 2 years ago
My personal goals are to work abroad for some time. I was born to immigrant parents from India, and I am currently learning to make myself fluent in Japanese. I'd love to work in the USA, in Japan, London, Mumbai, Dubai, Seoul, Hong Kong, or whatnot. I'd like to be an international citizen. You want to know what country taught me that we should all be all working towards being good international citizens? Canada. There's a good reason why we're known as a multicultural society.
AnarchoManiac 2 years ago 2
Very true. I think an exciting thing about Canada is the direction it's heading as a world leader in internationalism and plurality. I'm from Vancouver where that's felt strongly, and there's a lot to learn from either coming from or living abroad. Most of all, people who immigrate here or live elsewhere get faced with the problems Canada simply doesn't have and can better understand our country. I suspect the people who distrust Ignatieff for his expat days haven't been abroad much themselves.
THRILLHOUSE85 2 years ago 2
"Most of all, people who immigrate here or live elsewhere get faced with the problems Canada simply doesn't have and can better understand our country."
Yeah, like how we don't have to deal with Republicans :D
AnarchoManiac 2 years ago
Everything this video says is true. But I don't see how all of that makes Iggy any less Canadian or any less electable.
AnarchoManiac 2 years ago 2
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Canadian2009able 2 years ago
very creative lol I loved it
Johnrosssssss 2 years ago
This is complete and utter poppycock. Ignatieff is Canadian and has been thinking, writing, and talking about Canada the entire time. Because he taught at Cambridge, Oxford, and Harvard, he is less Canadian? Ridiculous!
lvroberts 2 years ago
The Terry Fox clip was really good... That man was a hero for sure. You can just see the effort he puts into each step.
gundamWWW 2 years ago
Too bad the right wing uses the valiant efforts of Mr Fox and Mr Hanson to forward their own agenda instead of trying to find something useful that they did themselves.
Come on, give us those great things that happened during the Reform's time in power.
alastair36 2 years ago
Well said. Sadly the right's role in Canadian political history has largely been to babysit the country after the liberals lose favour. I suppose they could show an uninspired middle-class couple opening a tax-rebate cheque as two cars sit in their garage (relfecting Conservative accomplishments), but that lacks the flavour and panache of Terry Fox and Gretzky. Maybe they should have included the invention of the telephone as well...
THRILLHOUSE85 2 years ago
alastair36,
Does your hypocrisy know no bounds? Throughout your comments you use unrelated insults and cries of discrimination to defend your position and that of the left. Come on, give us those great things that happened during the Liberal's/NDP's time in power.
EmitRelevart 2 years ago
Hypocrisy or ignorance? Which defines you best? You make a point about why a birth certificate is so important and I replied with a simple opinion on why I disagree with it because I am not racist and have no problem with someone of a different race or colour being the leader of a country. Perhaps you just can't read but I will just assume you are replying to someone else or just plain stupid. As for your other comment, all the things in this video happened while Harper was not in power..
alastair36 2 years ago
A professional athelete's having put a piece of rubber into a net a record number of times has defined our country?
Pretty pathetic. That really goes to show how these ads cater to the lowest common denominator. I'd like to think things like the Charter of Rights and Freedoms/the recent passage of gay marriage rights would make the list, but both were passed by the Liberals. Oops. The Conservatives have a NASCAR, though! Pretty cool...
THRILLHOUSE85 2 years ago
All three parties should Get off there asses with these stupid ads and get on with the REAL WORK. I don't Care if he came from FN Mars. GET SHIT DONE. Our jobs have been bleeding to Mexico and China. And you wonder why Our economy is in the crapper...
First Party to rip up the FN NAFTA has got my vote.
404040wolf 2 years ago
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PATHOLOGICAL "WE AMERICANS" LIEING IS THE ISSUE, more than his 34 years away. That kind of repititious publicly stated lies (hundreds of times) is a classic symptom of psychopathy. Either he is 100% delusional or he thinks the public are complete idiots, take your pick. But don't expect our media to even notice the pathological lieing as being important, they are asleep at the switch big time. Check out our video and judge for yourself
TruthThroughResearch 2 years ago
Did you run off to other countries and call them your home just to turn around and come back to be crowned leader? Are you running to be the next Prime Minister?
jenrobertson82 2 years ago
The next thing people will be doing is analyzing his birth certificate too like in the States where nuts are trying to discredit their President. What is it with the right wing, can't they just try to campaign on their achievements while in power instead of always being so negative and attacking others? Sad state of affairs and a turning of the tide in our political culture...must admit, they are making us more like our cousins to the south. Congrats, there is one great achievement!
alastair36 2 years ago
I guess you missed the whole Army in the streets campaign the Liberals ran, or their lying about Harper opening up the abortion debate. Yes the Left Wing is so innocent when it comes to attack ads.
TheKantaThrilla 2 years ago
That's really mature.... sounds like my 4 and 6 year old.... he did it first...
Did you see anywhere in my post where I even mentioned the left wing?
Didn't think so...
I use to support Harper.
alastair36 2 years ago
Your statements demonstrate that you know little about Americans other than the stereotypical liberal BS you've been spoon-fed. Otherwise, you'd be able to discern the irregularities in the birth certificate Obama posted as proof. His own grandmother said he was not born here. He refused to provide sworn evidence to prove otherwise.
You find it a sad state of affairs just because the truth about Iggy was revealed for all the public to see. I take it you were part of the sponsorship scandal.
EmitRelevart 2 years ago
Now who is the one being ignorant?
I was actually on the payroll with Mulroney which meant I didn't have to pay fair taxes on my income, unlike the rest of Canadians.
As for the birth certificate affair, even if someone was born elsewhere, why does the place of birth matter? Oh yeah, we'd hate to see an immigrant become the President of a "Free" country.
The point here is much the same and must make immigrants proud to call Canada home when we call our own "not Canadian enough".
alastair36 2 years ago
1. Place of birth matters because the biggest threat to the freedom of any country is from within (its own government) and our forefathers recognized this. Hence the inclusion of Article 2, Section 1 of the Constitution. These laws are provided to prevent infiltration and/or the overthrow of a sovereign nation.
There is also a min age requirement of 35 years. Would you really want to cry age discrimination and have a 16 year old kid running your country?
EmitRelevart 2 years ago 3
2. One thing many ppl admire about Canadians is your passive nature. But at the same time, this could be your downfall. There are some in the US gov who wish to annex Canada (to force the NAU issue) by having sympathizers with political clout in Parliament eventually force a (fixed) referendum. If you love your sovereignty, I suggest you look closer at those you elect into Parliament and their associations with specific ppl/groups in the American theatre (CFR etc). Beware the voting machine.
EmitRelevart 2 years ago 4
Ahh yes, our "passive" nature. Just like on Animal Planet. You must be one of the more clever Americans who knows there isn't a big waterfall that drops off the face of the universe north of Montana.
Do you know much about our taxonomy as well?
THRILLHOUSE85 2 years ago
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You're right, only children born in American hospitals on American soil (fist pound) can ever grow to be the sorts of people wanted to run the country. Immigrants and their poor huddled masses know nothing about what "liberty" or "freedom" actually means, as they've only experienced the contrast between them and their lack, instead of having learned about the words (properly) like regular American children from the 10 hours of TV they generally watch.
THRILLHOUSE85 2 years ago
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Thrillhouse,
You're right. Many immigrants know little about liberty & freedom, which is why they come to North America in the first place.
Liberal socialism abrogates freedom. ppl like yourself know little about history yet profess to know what is best for the future. Thus you learn nothing from the past and are doomed to repeat those mistakes.
You leftists are, of course, free to continue hugging your trees as they fall on you. Good luck with that.
EmitRelevart 2 years ago 2
I like how conveniently you've broken down ambiguous yet complex political notions like "freedom" and "liberalism" into incontingent, absolutist terms. The cautionary aspect is great as well. It's interesting to hear someone from a country that has state which ban dildos talk about "freedom," as it's an issue Americans are paradoxically not all that familiar with.
Also, the Liberal party of Canada is a centralist party, not socialist. Strong business ties with socially progressive policies.
THRILLHOUSE85 2 years ago
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We ban dildos, and you ban clotheslines & electric cars. Playing tit-for-tat to detract attention away from the real issues, seems an odd rebuttal to being careful who you elect.
Either you know nothing of socialism, or are blinded by the mud in which you wallow. "Strong business ties with socially progressive policies" is socialism. And there is nothing "centralist" about carbon taxes, or gay marriage. Whether we agree with them or not is irrelevant. These are not center-aligned policies.
EmitRelevart 2 years ago
Tell me, do you own a passport? Or are you, like 92% of Americans, wholly informed on the workings of life beyond your borders by what you see on TV, hear in your atrocious education system (35th in world vs Canada's 4th), and piece together from YouTube videos?
I don't think you'd know socialism if it hit you in the head. Wikipedia (or a college education) will help you on that. Also, we have a socialist party; they're called the NDP.
THRILLHOUSE85 2 years ago
1.
A clear sign of having no rebuttal is resorting to insults. You seem to think that insulting America refutes what Iggy himself has said. Ultimately, you are insulting Iggy who considers himself American.
Evidently you know little about America, or what Iggy has said while living here, and the CCHRP with which he was associated. Yet, like a good lamb, you will blindly follow Iggy without knowing his policies, which he has yet to clearly define for his party. Ignorance is bliss, I suppose.
EmitRelevart 2 years ago 2
2.
It's good to hear you admit that the NDP is socialist because they are often in bed together with the Liberals. Isn't it odd that the NDP and Liberals joined forces in an attempt to overthrow the elected gov of Canada. Thus, a vote for Liberal or NDP is essentially a vote for one collective party. Obviously they have more in common than you are willing to acknowledge. And if you depend on Wikipedia for your learning needs, you are seriously limiting your knowledge base.
EmitRelevart 2 years ago 2
The NDP undermined the Liberal government by voting with the Conservatives back in 2006, and are rumoured to be in talks with them now regarding the EI bill. Canadian political alliances fluctuate as party necessity changes, though the NDP admittedly share more with a centralist party than the conservatives.
I mentioned wikipedia for your convenience. I know Americans like things fast, cheap, and simple and assumed it would appeal to your, ahem, "discriminating tastes" If not, try Marx.
THRILLHOUSE85 2 years ago
@EmitRelevart NDP vote more on the Liberals' side than the Conservatives' side for the same reason than me : they are tired of Conservatives' bullshit and projects that don't respect the majority's will (because, remember that, in Canada, there is more people voting for other parties than for the Conservatives, so yes, it is fair that Conservatives get less votes on their side than the other one(s) in the House of Commons.).
Colariboo 1 year ago
1. You brought up the insults to begin with, big fella. I only questioned whether or not you even owned a passport, and I'll assume the answer is no. Europe looks better in Hi-Def, anyway.
2. I've spent lots of time in the US since my girlfriend goes to NYU. The west coast is nice while the east is a cesspool (unless you're rich, and in that case you can afford to move to San Fran). Generally it's 3000km of strip malls and fat people with a big army. Not much to write home about.
THRILLHOUSE85 2 years ago
Thanks for confirming my statements - you have nothing to contribute to the actual topic, just a bunch of uneducated insults. I'm glad you enjoyed Europe in Hi-Def, as relevant as you think that may be.
I'm a Canadian citizen so I suppose Iggy & I have something in common... we both prefer to live in the US. According to you, that's a good thing, so I should be a shoe-in for PM.
EmitRelevart 2 years ago
My BA begs to differ, but I'm sure you're much more of a well-read, well-travelled, well-informed individual than myself. Oh wait.
If my comments are uneducated, yours are utter trash, scraped off the net and fried up on YouTube from the comfort of your couch. Check out some of the world then spout criticism on other political systems, and open your mind to varying ideologies while you're at it. You don't have to like Marx just to appreciate his philosophy, as it raises many pressing questions.
THRILLHOUSE85 2 years ago
Furthermore, Ignatieff lived in the United States for the academic opportunity. I'm not sure what your motivation has been, but I can't imagine an institution of even the remotest distinction adding you to its faculty. My guess is you still live with your parents and went where the fam went (hence the duel citizenship).
As a phil major I'm also obliged to point out that you'd make Voltaire sick. I'm sure you got that trite quote from the net though, rather than from actually reading his works.
THRILLHOUSE85 2 years ago
You see, I don't have a problem with a Prime Minister being black or an immigrant. I realize the birth certificate issue is silly and a convenient way to hide ones racism. I'm first generation Canadian so perhaps I'm more open minded about such things than you. I know of many people who care passionately about their Canada and they were not born here. It doesn't make them less Canadian & it should'nt prevent them from running our country if elected. Rather that than the village idiot like Bush.
alastair36 2 years ago
alastair36, 1)
Again, when you insult Americans, you are insulting your beloved Iggy. So your strategy is very convoluted.
Are you trying to admit you are a closet racist? Following the law has nothing to do with black & white, yet as is typical of a liberal, you are trying to make it a race issue. Obviously the majority of Americans are not racist because we elected a black President. To use your logic - If you have no problem with skin color, then where is your black PM?
EmitRelevart 2 years ago 2
alastair36, 2)
What does being black or immigrant have to do with Iggy? He is neither. If you actually had a logical rebuttal, you'd comment on the topic at hand which is Iggy's allegiance (or lack thereof) to Canada and the fact that he has said that he will return to the US if not elected PM. Again, I suggest you read what he has said. However, it seems you & thrill wish to avoid doing so because it would contradict your statements and position. Unrelated insults is not a refutation.
EmitRelevart 2 years ago
I don't recall him "running" at all (implying he fled). He left to persue his academic career at some of the most renowned universities in the world and has remained a prominent figure in the Canadian literary canon for a while now. It's a shame some people are so provincial that they believe someone needs to spend her or his entire life in a country to legitimately represent it. I think Ignatieff's cosmopolitanism is something to flaunt, not defend.
THRILLHOUSE85 2 years ago
simply pathetic...I've missed all of those (I'm 15), does that make me less canadian? NO
goldenchocolate 2 years ago 2
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TruthThroughResearch 2 years ago
the point of the video is things that ignatieff missed. ignatieff came back just as harper became pm.
britishcolumbiagirl9 2 years ago
And so.... ? Still no defining moments during Harper's reign.... All he can do is attack ads which is getting tiresome. He should run a more positive campaign, one based on his record and achievements instead of constantly attacking others and pitting region against region. I initially supported and voted for Harper but his negative campaigns and divisive policies sicken me. His Karl Rove approach to campaigning, you have to admit is very "uncanadian".
alastair36 2 years ago 2
What, are there no great defining moments that make us Canadian during Harper's reign? Doesn't seem to be any in this video, why is that?
alastair36 2 years ago
harper is pretty scared resorting to such petty cheap shit huh? why not talk about the positive things conservatives are doing instead? oh wait.
LunchmeatForever 2 years ago
I support NDP, hate Iggy and Harper. This commercial is crude but it is true.
jmzimmerman1984 2 years ago
Lol the NDP. RIght on bro, hey maybe we should ask Russia if they want to form a new Soviet Union after we elect commie Jack.
Jabs aside, even though I hate Layton's politics, I know he cares about this country which is more then I can say for Iggy.
brokenbrainz1 2 years ago
His Economic ideas are really retarded, but at least hes the only one who can see the war in Afghanistan for what it is.
Ironman1o1 2 years ago
Are you guys equating xenophobia with being a real Canadian?
Televiper54 2 years ago
Ignatieff likes to think he's American and says if he doesn't get elected he will return to Harvard. Clearly he is only in Canada to be PM and if that fails, he'll return to the US. Sounds like a plant to me.
Perhaps you'd better elect him PM because we sure don't want him back in America.
Visit Ignatieff.me for more info.
EmitRelevart 2 years ago
He does sound like a plant. I heard he has branches and leaves and uproots sidewalks... WHICH THE DISABLED USE.
Put that in an attack ad.
And you're right, having him back in America is a terrible idea, the last thing that place needs is another well-read left-leaning academic. Are they still called "pinko commie scum" these days, or have you integrated the whole terrorist thing into accusations against liberals as well? I heard he was gay, too, but shhhh! Don't tell the South.
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