I saw this live as it happened. You could seed the pilots make a desperate effort to try and recover. Then I heard the crash and saw the fire and smoke. A bad day.
The one thing that Ifeel is so important in this touching tribute is the acknowledgement that flight crew are just like me, you and everyone else - human. I appreciate that some relatives need to blame someone for the loss of their loved ones, but I am sure the flight crew never set out to harm anyone or themselves. There was a mistake, it is called "human error". We all make mistakes. I hope and pray there will be repition of these tragic events.
I love Lexington, I remember when I lived there and worked for TMMK, so many flights in Blue grass airport, I feel really bad about this pilot's mistake
I knew the people and I worked with them. I would climb back into a plane with them today. Nobody has ever mentioned why a Delta Mainline 737 could not land the night before and had to return back to Cincinnati. These pilots were great pilots. No one understands that they're series of events that lead to a crash. It isn't just one thing. But these guys were great guys and the flight attendant was a superb flight attendant. I hope your flight west was a good one guys.
Your story is enlightening. Your music is not relevant to the story. People make mistakes is correct. But I do not fly a jet. i drive a truck. I pay you to fly the jet. I will not kill you with my truck. I don't want to be killed by your 15 second mistake.
Reading the CVR, they didn't violate sterile cockpit by "just" six words. They had a lengthy conversation. About children, wives, and stories about crewmembers from other bases. They had been having a conversation prior to sterile, but as soon as sterile kicked in, it should have ended. They kept going pretty much all the way up until take-off clearance.
I feel so bad for the families of the pilots. They want desperately to see fault in other parties in this tragic accident. But that is exactly what it was -- a human error, blunder that was so costly. IF the controller would have noticed the mistake, that person would have been a HERO. It's simply up to the flight crew to get to the proper runway. May God bring peace to all friends and families of the victims.
They talked constantly if you read the CVR transcript. Yes, it was just a terrible accident but they didn't check their compass before they took off on that runway. They were cleared to take off on the correct runway.......
@lexlaw007 Pilots check their DG because of an error during taxi that causes the reading to be false....these sophisticated jet aircraft have a computer constantly correcting these errors within 3 degrees. So most pilots never check it because it doesn't need to be reset. It is comair policy now, however, that pilots readback runways and check heading before takeoff.
@lexlaw007 The NOTAMS also told them that the correct runway was "unlit". So they took the unlit runway. The NOTAMS issued by the ATC tower were INCORRECT! Yes, they hold partial blame, but so does ATC. The fact the NTSB put it ALL on the pilots is dispicable.
The only reason I watch these is to hopefully avoid the results of my own human shortfalls. All pilots try learning from the mistakes of others. This is the bridge between the living and the dead in the brotherhood of aviaiton.
There were a number of factors that led up to the crash of 5191 but you can't dismiss the most important error... The pilots did not cross check at the hold short line to confirm that they were entering and departing the correct runway. That was the fatal mistake. It is not the responsibility of ATC to make sure your on the right runway. They issue the clearances, pilots are responsible for executing them. It was a mistake.. it's just so sad because it was so easily avoidable.
Well easily avoidable in broad daylight. Poor taxiway and runway lighting, would easily be able to mistake runways. As seen in the layout, the Air Traffic control is just one other thing that could have stopped it. They more then likely saw the number and mistook it.
@Luch1516 If ATC has no responsibility in this, WHY do they sit in a big tall "TOWER" overlooking the airport, for the nice view when they feel like looking out the windows? Why do they have ground radar then? You're full of crap. They bear partial responsibility in this. But its always easier to blame it on the dead guys huh?
I saw this live as it happened. You could seed the pilots make a desperate effort to try and recover. Then I heard the crash and saw the fire and smoke. A bad day.
xXDEICIDE216Xx 2 days ago
Thumbs up if you saw the O in Or at 1:19 right on the nose of the airplane!!!!
33minnesotatwins 1 week ago
The one thing that Ifeel is so important in this touching tribute is the acknowledgement that flight crew are just like me, you and everyone else - human. I appreciate that some relatives need to blame someone for the loss of their loved ones, but I am sure the flight crew never set out to harm anyone or themselves. There was a mistake, it is called "human error". We all make mistakes. I hope and pray there will be repition of these tragic events.
craine63 3 months ago
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I love Lexington, I remember when I lived there and worked for TMMK, so many flights in Blue grass airport, I feel really bad about this pilot's mistake
ThomRadioheadYorke 4 months ago
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ThomRadioheadYorke 4 months ago
The message of this video seems a bit confusing
guitartec 6 months ago 3
I knew the people and I worked with them. I would climb back into a plane with them today. Nobody has ever mentioned why a Delta Mainline 737 could not land the night before and had to return back to Cincinnati. These pilots were great pilots. No one understands that they're series of events that lead to a crash. It isn't just one thing. But these guys were great guys and the flight attendant was a superb flight attendant. I hope your flight west was a good one guys.
ijetus 8 months ago in playlist 5191 Jeff Clay
Your story is enlightening. Your music is not relevant to the story. People make mistakes is correct. But I do not fly a jet. i drive a truck. I pay you to fly the jet. I will not kill you with my truck. I don't want to be killed by your 15 second mistake.
inilledra 1 year ago
Reading the CVR, they didn't violate sterile cockpit by "just" six words. They had a lengthy conversation. About children, wives, and stories about crewmembers from other bases. They had been having a conversation prior to sterile, but as soon as sterile kicked in, it should have ended. They kept going pretty much all the way up until take-off clearance.
deovalente 1 year ago
I feel so bad for the families of the pilots. They want desperately to see fault in other parties in this tragic accident. But that is exactly what it was -- a human error, blunder that was so costly. IF the controller would have noticed the mistake, that person would have been a HERO. It's simply up to the flight crew to get to the proper runway. May God bring peace to all friends and families of the victims.
85iceman 2 years ago
They talked constantly if you read the CVR transcript. Yes, it was just a terrible accident but they didn't check their compass before they took off on that runway. They were cleared to take off on the correct runway.......
lexlaw007 2 years ago
@lexlaw007 Pilots check their DG because of an error during taxi that causes the reading to be false....these sophisticated jet aircraft have a computer constantly correcting these errors within 3 degrees. So most pilots never check it because it doesn't need to be reset. It is comair policy now, however, that pilots readback runways and check heading before takeoff.
marsvolta87 2 years ago
@lexlaw007 The NOTAMS also told them that the correct runway was "unlit". So they took the unlit runway. The NOTAMS issued by the ATC tower were INCORRECT! Yes, they hold partial blame, but so does ATC. The fact the NTSB put it ALL on the pilots is dispicable.
falcondriver100 6 months ago
The only reason I watch these is to hopefully avoid the results of my own human shortfalls. All pilots try learning from the mistakes of others. This is the bridge between the living and the dead in the brotherhood of aviaiton.
dizmyniz 2 years ago
There is no way around it, it was PILOT ERROR
pelagic6 2 years ago
There were a number of factors that led up to the crash of 5191 but you can't dismiss the most important error... The pilots did not cross check at the hold short line to confirm that they were entering and departing the correct runway. That was the fatal mistake. It is not the responsibility of ATC to make sure your on the right runway. They issue the clearances, pilots are responsible for executing them. It was a mistake.. it's just so sad because it was so easily avoidable.
Luch1516 2 years ago 5
Well easily avoidable in broad daylight. Poor taxiway and runway lighting, would easily be able to mistake runways. As seen in the layout, the Air Traffic control is just one other thing that could have stopped it. They more then likely saw the number and mistook it.
Fsxroflcopter 2 years ago
@Luch1516 If ATC has no responsibility in this, WHY do they sit in a big tall "TOWER" overlooking the airport, for the nice view when they feel like looking out the windows? Why do they have ground radar then? You're full of crap. They bear partial responsibility in this. But its always easier to blame it on the dead guys huh?
falcondriver100 6 months ago